/v/ - Video Games

>>15180830

>morrowind

>woosh woosh flail

>uninstalled

>Dead Cells

>Metroidvania

>if you fall too far, your char is stunned for a stupid period of time

gaymover, man - GAYMOVER

>dork souls 1 and resident evil 6

>camera control so fucking bad that most of the time it points away from what I am trying to look at

>most of the time when move attacking end up with camera facing away from the enemy

It's a abysmal. These devs have no idea what they are doing.

>the long dark

>Bumbling around, don't know how to make anything

>Dozen hours in, have a good handle but still don't know how to make arrows

>Can't fire harden

>Can't shave flint for arrowheads

>Can't just cut up a tin can

>Find out that to make arrowheads you have to use coal and fucking smelt scrap metal in a furnace only located in the whaling ship and smith them that way

>Uninstall

I was on the brink with the shitty timescale, having to take a nap after walking down a road and needing to eat my body weight in food every day. Seeing such a ludicrous and time-wasting mechanic that defies all reason just killed it for me.

>play any game

>no qt girls

>quit/uninstall

>>15180839

>any RPG

>there is a layer of abstraction between the player and the character

>uninstalled

>>15180910

Setting and designs are not features.

RNG

>>15180894

In DS1 it is still a clusterfuck. They fixed it a bit in DS2 and 3 but the camera controls are still terrible, especially for fighting anything other than 1 opponent.

The need for a lock-on mechanic is testament to how bad the camera controls are that they need to fix you onto an enemy.

>>15180830

Diablo loot

How about lack of a feature?

>dawn of war 2

>no base building

DROPPED

>Download version of Real Lives

>See "Nonbinary" check box at character creation

>Uninstall

>>15180944

>DoW3

>no good mechanics at all

DROPPED TWICE

Dragon's dogma

>wow this game must be great

>wow ! I get to fight dragons!

>here grind these boring ass goblins

DROPPED

>Be 7 years old.

>Get NES

>Load up mario

>Fucking wop plumbers

Uninstalled the fucking cartridge

>>15180830

I almost did that because of the females in Siege.

>>15180926

It's funny everyone I've met who has it says to just make 5 different steam accounts and family share it until you get the one you like.

If the game's character creation is so badly made that I have to make alts just for a chance to play it with a model i like then the game is not worth my time.

Funnily enough they always stop playing after "big update #6000000" anyways so I know to never install it no matter what they say.

>>15180841

just do a downwards attack

>>15180971

>every game ever made

>>15180983

past 2004*

>>15181030

I was really worried when they made that huge misstep with New Vegas. Luckily they learn from their mistakes.

>>15181030

Toddposting is a stale meme.

>>15181044

go to hell commie

>>15180939

> The need for a lock-on mechanic is testament to how bad the camera controls are that they need to fix you onto an enemy.

This just in, every single game with z-targeting is terrible

Fighting game in which the Meta characters are predominantly female

>>15181047

>>15180939

It's a crutch for controllers because controlling the camera with a stick is shit. Even MonHun has a button to face the camera at the monster despite it not having lock on and sometimes it's fucking necessary when the monster charges past you and is about to charge again. Otherwise you'd probably get blindsided. Good camera controls demand a 1 to 1 input device.

>>15181063

>controlling the camera with a stick is shit

>every n64, ps1, ps2, and nintendo 3d platformer is bad

holy fuck anon, how old are you?

want to face the enemy in ds1? lock on. done. want to face multiple enemies? tap stick left or right.

>>15180939

There is no need for lock on, I played through the whole game without using it outside the tutorial because I preferred it that way. I can see a need for it if you're playing sorceror though

>>15181081

I played through DS1 with a keyboard.

No mouse, no controller. IJKL for camera, WASD for movement. Tab,Q and ER for shoulder buttons, TFGH for Dpad.

I never had any camera problems.

>>15181081

>>15181089

This right here is pure bullshit. It can be done in more open areas but in every single enclosed space the camera goes insane when next to a wall.

You are lying through your teeth

>>15181100

do you have parkinson's?

>>15181075

>durr if u didnt suck miyamotos dick you must be a newfag

Suck my dick faggot, I enjoyed N64 games (didn't play any PS games til much later) but it didn't take a fucking genius to realize that using a mouse was easier than using the C buttons. Oh yeah, forgot that fun little detail did you? Using FUCKING FOUR BUTTONS TO CONTROL A CAMERA? Fortunately Super Mario 64 was designed so that there were strategic points where the player could stop and adjust their camera without getting annihilated.

>>15181089

Gothic 1 is a similar game in many ways and it is also designed to be played only using a keyboard. Using a mouse will just make the game more frustrating. It's an interesting game in terms of controls and interface; it has the feel of a "console" game except the controller is your keyboard.

>>15181114

>m+kb is better for 3d platforming

nice meme. they teach you that on reddit?

i like how you glossed over the ps1/ps2/nintendo 3d platforming and focused directly on n64 since it was the first and was the only example that didnt have a "stick" control the camera.

you ok anon? you seem upset.

>>15181121

Who the fuck are you arguing with you spastic? I never said that. Either address my points or shut the fuck up.

>>15181063

>controlling the camera with a stick is shit

>>15181114

>using a mouse was easier than using the C buttons

>>15181123

>I never said that.

are you mentally retarded?

>>15180860

working as intended ;^)

>>15180894

having a lock on mechanic is not an excuse to have a shit camera

>>15181131

I don't see how that's relevant to the control scheme of 3d platformers specifically. Keep shadow boxing though, maybe some day you'll be able to differentiate what other people are saying from what you imagine.

>>15181100

turn off auto wall cancelling

>mount and blade shitband

>start game

>assess prices

>buying oil to suno and selling it to rivacheg would bring a profit of 54 denars per item

>oil costs 454 denars

>uninstall'd

>>15181121

Only thing I don't like about kb+m is that character is either full speed or standing still. Has to have a separate button to toggle walking/running and even a third button to sprint.

With a controller speed is controlled by how far you push/pull the stick/trigger.

I just want an amalgamation between kb+m and regular controller that isn't a flight stick or retarded gimmick.

oh forgot to actually contribute

>playing diablo

>click to move

okay maybe this isnt so bad…

>click to hit

fuck you

>furi

>stylish, hard action + shooter mechanics

>having a lot of fun

>realize something's fucky with the dash

>it isn't actually a dash, it's a teleport

>zero travel time, which makes it feel weak and "poppy"

>zero invulnerability because it's a teleport

>keep getting hit where I think I should be safe

>you can charge your teleport by holding down the button

>you do this by standing still in a fast-paced bullet hell game, if you felt like being stupid

>because of this, your character dashes when you RELEASE the button, not when you press it

>add 10 frames of input lag in an otherwise responsive game when doing this single action

It just didn't click for me, and I was never able to beat the sniper boss's final bullet hell pattern because of it. I knew the pattern and the solution, but the instantaneous teleportation was so awful to control I never felt attuned to my character.

>>15181172

oil is one of the most expensive items in the game up there with silk and spices.

you gotta earn the stock to be able to trade oil. 54 isnt even a good profit margin for oil

start small with grains and shit. work your way up. i started out doing small missions in the town, then when i got some people i went killing bandits and selling their shit. eventually ran a trade route competing in tournies when available.

now im a king and my nation spans swadia and half of the nords land..

>>15181177

analog stick is great for precision movement. you can try some abomination like mouse in one hand and half a controller in the other. i just play games based on whats more important, aiming or moving. platformers/action games usually movement is more important. in shooters aiming is more important.

>>15181191

It's different, not necessarily worse, in my opinion. I had no trouble adjusting to using a slightly longer press than a tap to quickly dodge around, and if you take the time to learn the patterns instead of dash around like a retard, it works fine even when charging a longer dodge.

>>15181114

>FUCKING FOUR BUTTONS TO CONTROL A CAMERA

Using a d-pad (or moving with the keyboard) is effectively fucking four buttons to control a character as well. I don't think a directional pad, separated or not, is as bad a situation as you think it was. A stick is obviously better, but you're seriously overreacting and decided to weirdly jump to the N64 to prove a point about controlling a camera with a stick.

The point is, with kb+m, you are sacrificing flexibility in character movement (you can only move at one speed in 8 directions, or with a speed modifier key, two speeds in 9 directions) for better camera control, and in most non-aiming-focused 3D games, it's obvious which is more important. To get the best of both worlds, you'd have to have a controller in your left hand and mouse in your right, but most games won't support that kind of scheme. A mouse is better for camera control, but not significantly better, and you blow up about extra control options (like the snap-to or lock-on) like they're bad things even though they are simply options to give extra control to the player. It's not a bad thing just because it makes things better. You sound like you feel threatened.

>>15181244

>A stick is obviously better

according to the person you responded to

>>15181063

> controlling the camera with a stick is shit

>>15181254

No, I meant a stick is obviously better than using buttons to control the camera like what you have on the N64, but it's not really that bad for most use-cases, and most bad cameras on the system are caused by bad programming rather than the C buttons.

>>15181157

You didn't give any examples you clown, you may as well have said "Nuh uh, console games have gud camra." You listed every PlayStation console and N64. I was the only one who even gave an example (SM64), just to show you how ridiculous your statement was, and then you latched on to the opportunity to diverge from the point even further. Now I'm wasting my time writing this post and you're insecurely posturing like a nigger. Hope you're happy.

>>15181244

>The point is, with kb+m, you are sacrificing flexibility in character movement (you can only move at one speed in 8 directions, or with a speed modifier key, two speeds in 9 directions) for better camera control, and in most non-aiming-focused 3D games, it's obvious which is more important.

That's the thing, though. In a 3D Platformer on PC, you don't need more than 8 directions because you can turn yourself, alongside the camera, with the mouse. If you need a smaller turn, you'll use the camera instead of the directional keys on PC.

> A mouse is better for camera control, but not significantly better

With a mouse, you can easily, turn not only to the sides, but perfectly adjust the camera above or below the player, at an angle, depending what you need. In a platformer especially, turning the camera at a 45 degree angle towards the player's head from the top makes jumps far easier. You can do that on a gamepad, but not as quickly. You'd probably need to stop before a jump and adjust it beforehand, or start planning for it quite early on, whereas with a mouse, you can turn it at a snap.

>>15181266

you need examples of 3D playstation games and nintendo games? how old are you anon?

>nu-wow forces you to use full-screen (windowed) and you cannot go fullscreen

>>15181282

>just trust me, I'm right. demanding a coherent discussion just proves you're the newfag

Yeah, I'm ``definitely`` the redditor here.

Here's another great example. I'm not going to stick to 3d platformers because that is an arbitrary distinction you pulled out of your ass which was not relevant at all to my point. Games can have flaws and still be good, by the way, but C buttons for camera control are worse than the Holohoax.

Front Mission 3 with its shoulder button camera rotation. Fuck that shit. That annoyed me and FM is a turn based franchise to boot.

>>15181177

>I just want an amalgamation between kb+m and regular controller

Where do you put the stick? Can you control it comfortably without holding the controller? Or maybe stick would have to be sideways for it to be viable. The second piece would probably be mouse with perhaps extra buttons. Are there even any games that'd utilise this control scheme?

>>15181191

Could somebody spoonfeed me why invincibility frames are good? I always thought that's some casual shit, though I admittedly don't play many games with dash/dodge.

>>15181105

What game, anon?

Because if that's real, then essentially it serves as a warning sign for anyone who isn't a complete retard to steer well clear from the game and hopefully not waste money or time on it. More devs should be this brazen about signalling how diverse they are in the form of warning signs such as these

>>15181354

ubisoft gives a similar warning (if not that exact warning) for some of their games

>For Honor

>Play through basic bitch storyline just to get a grasp of the gameplay

>Literally never died once on normal mode

>"Huh… Let's see how I fare against real opponents"

>YOU NEED AT LEAST 30FPS TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER AND IF YOU DROP BELOW THAT FOR ANY TIME YOU ARE BOOTED

>"Huh… That's odd, while I can see why this feature is in place to prevent lag and low latency third world faggots from getting an edge and to ensure a level playing field given the time based combat in the game, I could have sworn my FPS did not drop at all"

>Check FPS

>It literally slows its ass to a crawl as soon as I play multiplayer, otherwise I'm getting solid silky smooth 60fps

>Can't figure out a workaround

>Give up and uninstall Uplay because the game just didn't drag me in enough

At least I got it for free.

Not sure if this counts, but; I played through 90% of dark souls 2 beating every boss along the way until I only have 2 left. Aava, and the ivory king.

>dodge through aavas attacks

>get hit anyway

>repeat for 10 hours

>decide to watch someone else beat him to see what im doing wrong

>they do exactly what im doing but dont get hit

>realize invincibility frames are tied to a stat that i never leveled up as a deprived

<uninstall

Not sure if I should feel accomplished for getting so far with half a normal persons roll or if I should feel dumb for not noticing the problem sooner.

>>15181354

>what game

Are you new? It says that at the beginning of the assassins creed games, since black flag at least.

>>15181271

I'd prefer to be able to just run at an arbitrary angle without having to adjust the camera. Like I said, an analogue stick with a mouse is the ideal, but for some reason that idea hasn't really taken off. Games that allow full button remapping and toggling on and off mouse aim are great for this, but even some of them hard disable the mouse when you use controller input.

>>15181409

>Are you new?

maybe he just doesnt play ass creed and similar trash… i knew what it was from as well, but knowing that isnt exactly bragging rights, anon

>>15181424

>maybe he just doesnt play ass creed and similar trash…

It's posted often enough, though

>isn't exactly bragging rights

I wasn't bragging

>>15181358

>>15181409

If I remember correctly even assasins creed 1 had it. It didnt have the various gender identities bullshit though.

>>15181286

>sniper boss's final bullet hell pattern

It wasn't so much that she was difficult, it's that her fight wasn't challenging until you had spent five minutes on a wild goose chase around her arena. By the time I got to her final pattern, I was frustrated and exhausted.

>>15181339

>why invincibility frames are good?

They aren't good or bad; it's just a term referring to defensive mechanics, literally the invincible part of an action.

>>15181451

>They aren't good or bad; it's just a term referring to defensive mechanics, literally the invincible part of an action.

I know, but it sounds like a shit mechanic to me.

<we can't make the player think about positioning himself or timing the dodges, that's toxic skill requirements! [press dodge to survive anything]

>>15181271

>You'd probably need to stop before a jump and adjust it beforehand, or start planning for it quite early on

How uncoordinated are you that you can't move two analog sticks at once? Wait a second,

>probably

Have you never actually played a 3d platformer with a controller before?

>>15181434

its convenient to know which games are pozzed. they should just put a symbol on pozzed games. like a red (((star))) or something, but until then this will do i suppose.

>>15181451

I think if you reflect one of her projectiles, it'll show you where she is.

>>15180830

Does forced mouse acceleration count as a feature?

>>15181455

<we can't make the player think about positioning himself or timing the dodges, that's toxic skill requirements! [press dodge to survive anything]

The thing about invincibility frames is that you generally get very few of them, dodging away or blocking is generally safer, but if you dodge toward an attack you can stay on the offensive, but the timing is often very tight so if you do it a couple frames too early you'll get hit.

>>15181478

It is if marketing says it is!

>>15181484

Isn't the point of dodging to actually doge the attack, though? This would render I-frames unnecessary, assuming hitboxes were good.

>>15181484

I should add, that being said, I don't think Furi really needs it.

>>15181455

You realize that Dark Souls and the metafags who came with it didn't invent the concept, yes? It's a descriptor, nothing more.

>being invincible sounds like a shit mechanic

>Capital letters sound like a shit writing convention.

>Bullhorns on a bicycle sound like a shit control mechanism

>>15181465

>reflecting an instant death projectile

I thought the point was that you followed the trails.

>>15181504

There is usually some level of abstraction between what the player's character model is and what the player's hit/hurtbox is.

>>15181455

It's more about gameplay style than anything else. Obvious developer options in these cases are:

1: Give player really flexible movement and enemy attacks early-enough telegraphing that the player could position themselves and reasonably move out of the way before the attack lands.

2: Give the player less-flexible movement and make bosses telegraph like mad so that you can reposition and dodge with enough time.

3: Give the player less-flexible movement, and allow them to dodge attacks via a well-timed dodge with i-frames

4: Give the player less-flexible movement and attacks they can't dodge, and they either have to recover health during combat or have to get through combat quickly enough that they don't succumb to the damage they take.

Most 2D action games do the first, because it's more acceptable when the player has full view of their surroundings and can reposition themselves with full knowledge of the arena. It can be done with 3D games, but usually involves having to dodge in a specific way depending on what attack is used, and sometimes feels more like a Simon-says combat as a result, with every enemy having to be built around being able to be effectively dodged.

2 works for easier casual games, but doesn't really take much skill to play and gets boring.

3 is what most more-difficult 3D games go with, because it keeps a high skill ceiling, and avoids the issues that come with having to keep spacial awareness when you can't see all of your surroundings at a time (this is extra important when there are more enemies in the arena at a time than just the boss, because then you can't keep track of exactly what's going on without putting something in your blind spot).

4 is what some easier 3D game do, but it usually just devolves into avoiding what attacks you can but otherwise ignoring it and wailing on the boss, taking whatever hits you know you can't dodge, maybe occasionally healing. Again, not a high skill ceiling.

So i-frames aren't bad, they're just good for a specific type of games, and is more something to compensate for the pitfalls of having to manage a 3D camera and the difficulty in effectively designing 3D combat. You're judging based on the name and concept rather than how it's implemented. It can be done shitty or well, depending on the game or developer. I agree it's not useful for every game, but it's not necessarily a bad mechanic, depending on how it's done.

>>15181524

I do realise that, but I rarely play games with invincibility frames and that topic was brought up.

>>15181528

Thanks anon, that sounds reasonable.

>>15181504

>This would render I-frames unnecessary, assuming hitboxes were good.

To clarify, Furi doesn't need them. But in Monster Hunter/Dark Souls, it's because when I press the dodge button I want to dodge something and it would be unfeasible to create animations to let you dodge through any attack. It'd be annoying as hell if I couldn't dodge something because I'm stuck with a very specific dodge animation. The solution is to simply add iframes, and this has the added benefit of giving you more options in combat.

>>15181528

>>15181455

I should qualify some of what I said better.

When I say "flexible movement", I mean "the player could reasonably avoid an attack strictly through movement without special mechanics".

When I say "less-flexible movement", I mean that from a typical attacking position, there are enemy attacks that could not be avoided without extra mechanics separate from simple movement (inclcuding a non-invincibility dodge mechanic).

Item 3 also includes things like timed blocks and counters.

So to simplify:

1: Player can avoid damage just through movement

2: Player avoids damage through movement, but by memorizing obvious tells rather than skill

3: Player avoids damage through quick reaction and timing on a button press that isn't dependent on current position or strict movement.

4: Player largely just takes damage and deals with the damage after receiving it

>>15180860

>Rust 8 bucks

>buy rust because trap bases look like fun to do.

>Have a respectable build, with a 1060

>Piece of shit runs like a powerpoint presentation

>Uninstall with 10 minutes of playtime and get my money back.

>>15180958

This

>>15181100

>>15181089

You aren't hardcore until you can beat Smough and stein with DK bongos.

>>15181560

>memorizing obvious tells rather than skill

How is memory under pressure not a skill?

>>15180830

Fable 3 when I realized it's impossible to lose. I stood for a full minute letting enemies hit me, my character fell on the ground … Then rose up, as if nothing had happened. No penalty whatsoever, no going back to the start of the map, no loss of progress, no loss of xp, money, or anything. I had never played any fable game before, didn't know what to expect as I just pirated it after seeing someone else play and liking the visuals.

I can deal with super casual games, they can be fun if you're not too demanding. But a game where you can't lose ? Enemies that can't kill you ? This makes no sense at all. Who would play that ?

>install shitty sidescrolling shooter on phone

>can only shoot in the direction I'm moving in

>can't walk to the left while shooting to the right

thrown out

>>15181434

It made sense in Asscreed 1. The game takes place in the middle east during the crusades, so npcs call each other infidel pigs all the time, both christians and muslims. They had to make sure no one would take an extract from the game out of context and call the game religious propaganda.

At least that's how I understood at the time. Maybe they were pozzed all this time and I didn't realize.

>>15181646

It's a good system when you don't include gook-tier grinding.

>>15181731

>/v/ hates games

ebin meme

>>15181765

memes and cute 2D girls are the only things worthwhile left on imageboards

One where a game had a bug where "dead" enemies could kill you because their dying animation and actual dead state were two seperate settings, and the developers later called it a feature.

>>15181573

It is, but there is a limit to it. If there's strong pressure and it's more difficult to react, I'd class it as 1 rather than 2. 2 is more about straight memorization than skilled reaction.

>>15180955

>DoW4

>battle royale loot box simulator with female space marines, tranny orks and a message about (((diversity)))

ORDO CHRONOS DROPPED

>loved collecting every pokemon I could in Blue, Yellow, and Gold as a kid

>100% Leaf Green on an emulator in my early 20s

>get a 3DS and figure I'll try the latest Pokemon game

>catch some beehive pokemon, google how to evolve it

>"only the female can evolve, at lev-"

>delete game from flashcart

I was expecting the fuck ton of pokemon required to "catch em all", but not the fact that you gotta jump through hoops to evolve em. the stones and shit were enough but I aint boutta waste pokeballs on chance and shit

>>15181774

The truth is bait?

>>15182801

>but I aint boutta waste pokeballs on chance and shit

Just savescum until you find the pokemon you're looking for then.

>>15180860

>>15181572

>>15180970

I know one of you fuckers is RottenRedditor. Don't even try to hide it.

>>15182842

He's telling you you fell for bait you absolute moron.

>>15182801

Related to this

>only kid in my school to complete the Pokedex in Gen 1. Even brought my Game Boy to a Toys R Us event to get a Mew

>trade over all my bros to Gen 2. Since I was a kid, of course my favorites were mostly things like Legendaries and Starters, which worked out well because you can't get those in Gen 2 because they're special. But hey you can trade so it's no different than the exclusive pokemon in Gen I

>holy shit I can go back to the place from the first game and see how things have been since I saved the day last time

>even get to fight the guy I played as before

>roaming pokemon are a bitch but eventually manage to complete the Pokedex again and even get all the Unown

>Gen III comes out

>wonder when I get to the point where I can trade my bros over

>can't wait to beat the elite four so I can check out what's been happening in Johto and Kanto in the last couple years

>can't trade bros over

>can only trade with one other game

>these two games combined can't complete the Pokedex

>but wait! You can just re-buy Red version again! What's that? You and everyone else already owns it because they're some of the highest selling games of all time and only came out like five years ago? Buy them again, goy!

>What's that? Still can't complete the Pokedex even with re-buying the same games two more times? All you have to do is get a Gamecube, a Gamecube/GBA Link Cable, and these two games that aren't as good

>Of course you need to do all that just to complete the pokedex! It's a feature!

>your old bros will rot in their old carts until the batteries run out and they disappear forever

>>15182801

I don't mind things like this but >>15182979 really pisses me off. At this point, I just finish the 3DS Pokemon games, then inject all the Pokemon that require some stupid special shit outside the game in order to catch.

>>15180830

>The Last of Us

>30 minutes of cutscenes and quick-time events

>Bored to tears at that point.

>Finally some gameplay

>Riveting gameplay of walking, searching for a plank and put it over a hole, wow! Game of the year all years!

>Shut it off and regretting having pirated it.

>>15181424

It has been there since the first because they were getting heat from the same game journo-press you faggots thinks turned into sjw's in 2014 when they have always been horrible faggots who couldn't deal with a game set in the crusading-ages. So Ubisoft came up with that shit to avoid a shitstorm from the media.

>WEAPON SHOP de OMASSE

>Playing for less then 30 minutes

>A fucking character makes a twitter reference and other shitty memes

Thank god I pirated it.

>>15180830

Dragon Age Origins, Xbox 360

Some NPC asked me to do a quest, I accepted, then the XBL Marketplace purchase content window popped up asking for Allards equivalent of $10. The fucking game shipped with an on-disc DLC Salesman.

I quit the game and never played it again.

>>15183150

I'm surprised that you bought that reeking pile of SJW shit in the first place.

>>15181780

And fags like you are the reason why

>>15183052

I emulated this game and after a while I just gave up and save edited weapons to be unbreakable, though this makes the game piss easy because you can just go to town on anything, really pissed me off just can't enjoy the game I might just drop it.

>>15182873

S-Shut up, stupid.

>>15183052

Buffing your damage with food counterbalances the shit weapon durability slightly.

>>15183054

I had pretty much the same experience, it annoys me that so many normalfags think that this game is the absolute pinnacle the video game industry when it's the worst game that I've ever played.

>>15180958

I mean, you do fight dragons and drakes

>>15182250

>Knowing how to perform any skilled task in real life kills any game that quarter-asses that skill

Gotta love "realistic" driving that slicks your tires with oil or "realistic" weapon handling that's operated by a limp-wristed gimp with butterfingers.

>>15183052

My way of getting around it is that shrines that are "Tests of Strength" will always have ancient equipment in them, and they're usually durable.

Also food buffs are pretty much essential early on since you can boost attack, and jump strikes are useful because of their area of effect and knockdown qualities. Charge attacks for 1 handed swords don't ruin the weapon faster, and knock down enemies and disarm them, etc etc. The game could have been designed better though. Breakable weapons are the worst.

>>15181606

inquisitor is annoying at the start because you move slow until you level up, but you are just bad at videogames. just tell the guard to open gate before you purge him for heresy, get the dog from the prison then murder all the bats outside and gather all the gear that is around the town.

>>15181528

>Iframes aren't bad

That's where you're wrong. They're in plenty of otherwise good games, but they are a fucking lazy mechanic for developers that don't want the cost of working on animations or tells. You can have tells that aren't telegraphed, too. See monster hunter, for certain moves that often happen after one another or even tells like the lack of a tell. If a rath dragon just walks somewhere or stands still briefly without doing a windup for another attack, it's going to charge. Monster hunter has iframes too, because it's easier than rigorously testing to see what hitboxes are bullshit when you dodge close to them.

But that doesn't change that iframes are fucking SHIT. They make 0 visual sense, and break immersion. It snaps you out of the world and into "nah we're playing pretend, you didn't hit me because I said so even though that shit went right through me". They do make visual sense sometimes, like metal gear rising has iframes during a parry animation and that looks right most of the time. But they're generally lazy as shit. Like bloodborne, holy shit when I got to that large enemy early on, the one with the giant buster sword in the tight alleyway, when I figured out that he was using giant horizontal swings and the easiest way to dodge them was to just take a fucking sword through my midsection because the game used a step-dodge instead of a roll I put the game down and walked away.

>>15183859

>lift swords twice their body size

>slice a giant fire breathing dragon's neck with it and it goes unscathed

>survive a said dragon trampling their body, just get's KO'd

<somehow being invulnerable for a few secs while jumping like superman is too surreal

It's videogames. It never needs to be realistic unless it is a simulator with realism as it's objective.

If it makes sense in gameplay, it will trump making logical sense for visual realism.

>>15183926

It's also shit from a gameplay perspective because it isn't explained, or even hinted at. Unless you figure it out by fucking around accidentally or searching online you'll never get concrete explanations of how it works.

It CAN make visual sense, too. Make it a teleport, explain in game teleportation powers through magic or whatever. But, laziness. And don't be intellectually dishonest, pretending because it's fiction that it internal consistency doesn't matter you fucking type A king faggot. Just because you like a thing doesn't mean you should shit on your own face to defend it.

>>15184163

>Unless you figure it out by fucking around accidentally or searching online you'll never get concrete explanations of how it works.

You're retarded. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows games handle defence in a variety of ways and would be able to test/notice if defensive actions have i-frames or not after a few hours.

>visual sense

Less important than mechanical sense. That is rich coming from someone using Monster Hunter's 9-foot-long sword artstyle as an example.

>>15181646

>>15183742

>sounds a bit too much like doom 4's mastery challenges, at least half of them were bullshit.

I kinda liked them, for the most part. Skyrim's skill leveling WAS bullshit.

>>15183859

Come on dude, rolling is fun.

I can't think of a specific feature, but I can think of a game.

>just finished Deus Ex

>had heard how bad Invisible War was but wanted to see it first hand

>everyone holds their arms far out from their bodies and moves like plastic dolls, but whatever, apparently the graphics were actually good for the time

>start the game in your home base, sort of like returning to UNATCO in the first game except all your teammates are droll stereotypes instead of interesting characters with amusing accents

>something starts blowing everything up, can't follow anything that's going on

>eventually wandering around some glowing neon cyberpunk city with no sense of direction and no indication of what might make something interesting happen

>comms open up with one of the cardboard cut-outs masquerading as acutal characters from earlier

>"I know you must feel betrayed, but"

>this game just told me how to feel

>the writing is so abysmal that the writers had to reach out through their awful character and tell me what i should be feeling

>BETRAYAL IS THE EMOTION WE WERE GOING FOR. YOU SHOULD FEEL BETRAYED. YOU, PLAYER. FEEL BETRAYED NOW.

>uninstall

>>15180983

In Insurgency shotguns are pretty realistic, which is to say completely OP. A buckshot to the face will BTFO anyone instantly at up to 30 yards range. Slug rounds can BTFO people in one hit to the center of mass, with armor or without, at up to 200 yards range. The only downside is that vanilla only features pump action shotguns so you got to hit 'em the first time.

>warframe

>try to build something

>"you must construct additional pyl..inventory slots"

>they cost mericabux

>you need hundreds of them

wew, I though I was supposed to do the looting. Un in fucking stalled.

>>15184516

>basic mutants

The worst part is, they clip through each other, so they can basically stack into themselves and oneshot you.

>fighting the librarians

Anon, what are you doing?

>>15184522

>Anon, what are you doing?

The same thing I do every day. Trying to have fun.

>Enter the Gungeon

>All enemies have touch of death

Fucking lord, why?

>>15181354

Every game made by ubisoft for the last 15 years.

>>15184534

Anon, Melnik or the other fag tell you that if you're attacked by a librarian, you stand your ground and stare it down until it pussies out and runs away.

>>15185754

>Not consuming a product because you don't want like some aspect of it, particularly if you find that element shoehorned in for political purposes

>Exactly the same as demanding video games put in dumb negro disabled females as the main lead in a game solely for the purpose of propaganda and social reconstruction instead of fitting the story of the game.

The gamers are the real Nazis. They're just like the communists. What's next? Gulags and concentration camps for their opponents? What's next? Not be a centrist?

>>15185785

Radical Centrist Death Camps.

nobody dies in them because they can't decide whether to starve people to death or gas them

>>15185796

You idiot. Centrism is the balanced compromise of both ideals so they'd be starving you to death while gassing you slowly.

>>15185846

Your whinging is identical to the alt-right SJW communists. Horseshoe thoery wins again.

>>15180917

>any videogame at all

>there is a layer of abstraction first between the player's sense of the mechanics and the mechanics themselves, and then between the mechanics and the sense of the world that was intended by the developer to be portrayed through those mechanics

>purified in flame

>>15185846

All whining is whining so everyone that whines about something is the same.

>>15180946

… there's a new Real Lives?

>Binary Dominion finally gets a PC port

>first 5 minutes of the game

>"Press Y to do something"

>start pressung every single key in an attempt to find what Y is mapped to

>nothing happens

>uninstall

They can go fuck themselves with these lazy ports, is it so fucking hard to change the console buttons that pop up on the screen to keyboard key?

>Long ass cutscenes

>>15186018

>Long ass unskippable cutscenes

>>15184291

Wait, did some asshole actually stream himself writing a steam review?

>>15187390

The gauss cannon and the double chaingun were the last weapons whose mastery challenges I finished, because I hated them. "Kill x in less that y seconds", just frustrating. Stopping to head shot with the gauss also sucked. We seem to be in opposite ends here, though I also disliked the glory kills from all angles shit.

>>15184563

It's like that fag complaining about deathclaws in NV all over again.

>>15190228

>Evolving based on gender is the tamest "hoop" yet

Actually not, considering female bees are much rarer. At least with any of the examples you listed, you can grab any one of that kind of monster and get it to evolve, but if you get a male bee you can't do shit. They could at least have made separate gendered evolutions, with the male bee being some sort of warrior bee. Same goes for the poison lizard in S/M and whatever others there may be

Also, if someone actually wants the evolved bee to use for battling, good fucking luck breeding a female one considering the odds are like one in eight. Yes, you might say that anyone who cares about the battling should just play the free PC variants, but the only reason those are so popular is that you can avoid the grindy, RNG bullshit the real games have (and not have to sit through the molasses-speed turns ingame).

Personally, I think the dumbest evolution is the one that forces you to hold your 3DS upside down while it levels up. At least that doesn't require another person (and another bought copy of the game, of course), but it's such a pointless gimmick.

>>15181354

It's AC Syndicate. AC games are the only games that have the disclaimer to excuse them ~appropiating~ history. The fact you don't know where it's from shows you at least know good games.

>>15184516

That's not the problem. The problem is that you don't know how to play.

>>15180946

You should have kept playing, maybe it increased the chance of suicide.

>Dark Saul Fromstein

>no pause function

>WHAT ARE YOU CASUAL TO TAKE A LEAK OR ANSWER THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF SUCH AWESOME ENTERTAINMENT OF BEATING SAME COPY OF ENEMY WITH A STICK FOR 25th TIME??

And nothing of value was uninstalled,

>>15180830

DA2…i didn't even bothered to install the game.

>>15182979

>shit talking the gamecube games

Your pokemon deserve to rot.

>>15190874

>Torfag has shit opinion

No surprise there

>>15180860

The solution to the playerbase diversity problem is to simply force everyone into random gender/race combinations, you shitlord

>>15180830

After finally finding a character I liked (Thatcher) they immediately release an article about how he's next to get the nerf bat. Fuck Nu6.

>>15190965

I was so excited only to find out they weren't full games. Just take the mechanics from the Game Boy and put them on console. That's all I ever wanted. I thought Go! Pikachu was going to be that, but they removed wild battles, so it's shit. If they just added wild battles it would have been the game I was waiting for for 20 years.

>>15181646

Skyrim's skill leveling is trash

>want to level up sneak to 100

>bro just stand in a corner and sneak when somebody is sleeping for 3 real life hours bro lamo

>want to level up archery

>lamo just shot a bunch of shit lol

>but i pretty much have killed everything in the game and there is nothing for me to really grind anymore

>just stop playing skyrim on your ps3 bro lol get a pc

skyrim is shit

>>15191046

>Not doing the permenant glitch that gives you a +50 bonus to acrobatics from the Boots Of Springheel Jak, combined several other speed-ehancing clothing and grinding out your character from level one to get near-max acrobatics and athetics to be able to jump 20 feet in the air and bounce off walls like you are high on meth

>did the infinite level glitch to get to level 146 in a few hours at the start of the game as soon as i could sleep in a bed

>did the trick where when you fight Mancor Cammoran's kids, you can steal the son's Mundane Ring off his corspe over and over and over as he just keeps respawning to sell all the rings later for 60,000+ gold in 2 mintues

>not getting the skeleton key at level 10 and blazing through all the other daedric quests to become a god at level 15

>not becoming god within the first week of buying the game

>>15191376

Why a horsecock?

>>15191422

Cause gardevoir attracts fags second only to lucario and goodra in their autism.

Inventory management. I'll never be able to play old Resident Evil games due to it.

>alright you have 8 inventory slots

>a gun takes up one, even if you're holding it in your hands

>a key takes up as much room as a rocket launcher

>a dozen handgun magazines take up as much room as a vial with ground herbs in it

>a gem takes up as much room as a slab of metal or stone

>if you encounter a cool thing while exploring, there's a good chance you'll need to leave it where it is

>combining bullets + gun in the inventory is always faster than reloading which means you should never actually push the reload button

>tee hee, did you not manage your limited, finite saves properly? too bad, lol

I don't mind the abstraction too much, but if inventory management is part of the experience I'd prefer to have it be like the attache case from RE4 or quick and very abstracted like RE5. At least something like Hakoniwa Explorer Plus makes me cycle through weapons constantly; if I'm supposed to do what RE games want me to do and play it safe, then I want more control.

Even non-action games like Subnautica were like grinding my head against sandpaper.

>oh, sweet, a new mineral node

<STOP HAVING FUN YOU SHITSTAIN, GO BACK TO YOUR SEA BASE AND SORT THINGS INTO SMALL CONTAINERS

>>15184563

>you stand your ground and stare it down until it pussies out and runs away

Melink and the game actually lie to you about that, which is why many people find the Librarians so "unpredictable." What the devs actually wanted to tell you was that you're always supposed to make eye contact with the Librarians, but slowly moving away from them is fine; if you don't, eventually one of them will walk up to you and start pushing you, which means you'll be inside its "attack no matter what" radius.

>>15181524

>reflecting an instant death projectile

No, reflecting the projectiles from her drones.

<install FarCry 2

<game has negative mouse acceleration

<ALT + F4

<uninstall

>>15191510

I don't remember the sniper boss having drones, but it's been over a year since I played the game so you're probably right.

>>15191686

Actually Chansey is more bullshit because on top of being slightly rarer, you need to catch TWO of the fuckers to complete the dex. One to evolve into Blissey, and another to trade for an Aerodactyl.

>Buy halo 5

>halo 5

>uninstall and smash the disc

>>15190228

>You mean like how tyrogue only evolves into hitmontop if its Attack and Defense are the same?

This is the only one that's actually a pain in the ass. Friendship goes up with leveling and having them in the party, so it's barely distinguishable from leveling up. Time of day is still basically just level, and traded with item is still just trading since all those items are easy to find (though that's still as much of a pain in the ass as regular trade evos, which are shit).

Not that 'it's only as bad as a 20-year-old game' is any real defense, since the series should have gotten progressively less retarded instead of getting more or staying equally retarded.

>>15191712

>not just resurrecting Aerodactyl from old amber

>>15190042

the chaingun in general was indeed ass, I don't know what fucking idiot thought it should hold only 210 bullets after the five upgrades, it's only useable for more than ten seconds if you've cheesed the rich get richer rune

it does kill mancubuses super fast if you're using the turret

the zoom mod for the gauss was pretty shit, it gives you tunnel vision, but the headshots were alright, not hard to land however the mastery perk does not feel very rewarding at all, I even forgot what it did

however the other mode, siege, which requires you to stand still has incredible range and damage and its mastery perk lets you move while using it which makes it really fucking strong

>>15190874

>>WHAT ARE YOU CASUAL TO TAKE A LEAK OR ANSWER THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF SUCH AWESOME ENTERTAINMENT OF BEATING SAME COPY OF ENEMY WITH A STICK FOR 25th TIME??

>being bad

plus I struggle to think of any encounters in the game which last for more than a minute or that you can't escape by leaving the room, and the mobs' very short aggro range means the only thing that can get you while standing still somewhere are invaders

>>15191446

Truly blaziken and Greninja are the best

Self-Sage for offtopic faggotry

>>15193812

>other games like Insurgency, Ballistic Weapons for Unreal Tournament, and even New Vegas have your weapon actually fire where it's pointed - and actually have your weapon move around and jitter from recoil, etc

>Counter-Strike, even today, just has your weapon be this perfectly still model that just fires its bullets at batshit random angles

>>15180997

>>15180983

I'm guessing you lads never played Battlefield.

>>15194180

If you win by killing all of the enemy crew, you get more scrap that way.

>>15183859

Nier is the worst for that. You can dodge forever through pretty much any attack. There's no pressure to kill stuff quickly so if you're autistic enough you can just spam dodge the moment an enemy starts thinking about attacking you and you won't take damage. Shit tier game.

>>15186056

Long ass unskippable cutscenes before a super hard boss fight.

>>15180830

GAMES FOR WINDOWS LIVE!

>>15194481

It almost ruined Fuel for me. Hell, I think some of the F-1 games are still tied to it.

>>15194486

I can't even play Fallout 3 anymore because of it.

>>15194490

Shit, it was never patched to remove GFWL? That sounds like too high profile a game to let that happen to it, even if it is Todd.

>>15194491

My original non-steam release version I've never found a way to get it back working. Maybe there is some kind of hacked EXE online though I hesitate to try one and get a virus.

>>15194490

You could play A Tale of Two Wastelands - but then, why bother with the Fallout 3 part at all?

>>15195154

Fallout 3 did have some neat areas if you can turn off your mind.

>Story driven RPG with members that you add as you go each with their own stories and unique personalities

>absolutley NEVER interact

Damn near every modern rpg. it was like everyone in mass effect 2 hated eachother and weren't on speaking terms. I prefer the "Crew is at each others throats or bantsing one another in every conversation" of KOTOR 2 or something.

>>15208558

To me, Mass Effect is like the Matrix. Brilliant first effort, and the sequels are complete shit.

>>15208411

The gameplay was good but the story was so seriously flawed in that they essentially did a whole deconstruction of the character of max payne and the entire action game genre. To be fair you have to have a really high IQ to understand Max Payne 3……. Jokes aside the story is actually hard for people to understand because the entire "story" is merely just stereotypical set piece events only thrown into the game that allow the developers to sprinkle in their own commentaries on the action genre, masculinity, race, economics, etc. etc. etc. it's not subtle it pretty much beats you over the fucking head is you have high school level narrative sense. Sam Lake and the remedy guys were probably shaking their heads about the story seeing as how rockstar just took a huge dump on it. They almost quite literally turned max into a retard.

I miss pre gta4 rockstar even though I actually really liked gta4 but you can tell that that's the era when the writing went off a cliff. They can't even make engaging characters anymore. 4 was the last game with a good character and now it's literally just meme tier garbage not even really worthy of paying the slightest attention to.

>>15180830

herp shooters are ghey

>>15208683

in fairness i think franklin was an genuinely decent character in gta5, because he actually showed growth or development in any way. i fully believe this was an accident on rockstar's part but credit where it's due

I remember playing an FPS way back, early-mid 2000's. Now, if there's anything I'd learned playing FPS games, it's that headshots are fatal. It's just the way it goes. So, this game is pretty gory and realistic as such games go, doesn't fuck around, isn't cartoony or silly, not even to Duke Nukem levels. It's a relatively grounded military-style shooter, and you're fighting other humans.

Well, at one point this big fucker shows up. Huge berserking fatass, like a miniboss or something. I line up the shot, right between his fatass eyes, bang. There's a blood splatter, but he doesn't die. He keeps coming. Take another shot, and then a third, bang bang in the forehead. But he doesn't die. He reaches me and kills me. Now this is a HUMAN BEING. Sure he's on steroids and built like a linebacker, but he doesn't even have a helmet on. A bullet in his fucking braincase should fucking kill him. FUCK!

Uninstalled and never looked back.

MMOs:

>realize that leveling up is based on TIME instead of skill

>uninstall

TF2:

>added non-skin items

>uninstall

TOXIKK:

>1 year after launch there is still no support for dedicated server on Linux

>uninstall

A ton of games:

>read their custom Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

>not even install

>>15209920

You do act like a drama whore e-celeb though, bro.

>>15194180

>FTL

I dropped it once I felt I'm supposed to cheese the game once I know how and die endlessly otherwise. If I don't know what's the most optimal route for a ship I'm supposed to play just enough to unlock the next. I'm not sure if it's the truth, but it felt wrong to me that skill mattered little and it's more about knowing shit in advance broke it for me.

>>15194462

>Nier is the worst for that. You can dodge forever through pretty much any attack.

Darksiders 2 is supposedly similar and it also has bad dodges. After playing enough it turned out that I'm NOT supposed to direct my dodges anywhere, instead I should just press the key for it and I have invincibility with bonus counter attack here and there.

>>15208683

>The gameplay was good

No it wasn't, it was generic cover based TPS gameplay with bullet time that felt tacked on because the previous games had bullet time. It's nowhere near as frantic as the prior MP games. Also thanks to the retarded cinematics that demand Max to be always holding a fucking pistol, the game will constantly force you switch weapons when you don't want to, even during shoot outs.

MP3 is pure fucking shit with no redeeming value.

>>15208400

>A piece of shit tastes fine if you remove your taste buds

Kill yourself Todd.

Not really a feature but

>platformer

>jump

>can't see the ground because the camera is too sensitive

Happens way too much in indie garbage.

>>15180939

>>15180846

>so Jewish I use kb/m for everything

>too stupid to install mouse fix

>too poor to own a game pad

uninstalled

>>15180860

Atleast you get better camouflage at night. I got assigned the only female chink that wasn't aborted, so I glow like a cianigger.

I still don't understand why it can't just be randomized whenever you die. Oh wait, that would have taken five lines of code that you couldn't spare because you had to fit in another fucking reskin of a hoody.

I hope those devs lose all their gamers to PUBG and those guys behind Conan.

>>15212514

They already lost them to that one game made by some BR or whatever he was. It looked like Roblox.

>>15190991

>>15192097

>monitoring boards 24/7 for triggering keywords

>bleeding from ass permanently because someone in the world does't want to eat shit with them

that's fromkids alright

Provided that a game is not challenging is anti-fun or poorly made then I'll dump it like a hot turd for any minor infraction, a sufficiently bad menu system (hideously long lists you're forced to scroll though to to the shit you want x1000) can kill a mediocre game for me, that said I don't mind DFs, that's just archaic, plus DF is well worth playing. If a fighting game isn't uber twitchy it feels dead to me and is insta dropped, there's so many on that pile it's nuts, the only fighting games I can tolerate atm are the Injustices cos at least shit feels like it's moving at the right pace.

I recently tried the shittly named HeroU Rogue to Redemption and dropped it in the space of about 15 moves so I'll add RPG-alikes that present non-options. You pick an option presented and 'your' character tells you no, they're not going to you spaz. *Not* that 'whatever dumb shit you picked might be a bad idea' and then you could persist and force the issue so they do it but a flat 'NO, I'm not going to do that'.

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WRITE THIS SHIT THEN YOU CUNTS? TO PAD SPACE YES?

Lazy pricks, at least write a scene where I pick the same shit twice and face the damn consequences, don't tie my fucking hands and force me down a rote path when I'm trying to be an asshole, if you're gonna write the words make that shit happen, do some fucking work. It's even more infuriating to encounter one after another.

Shit forced unfunny humour can end a game in short order too.

>>15180862

Shit like that pisses me off when you can't use basic techniques to make stuff, instead you have to do wacky advanced shit like that

Why you HAVE to use metal and can't use stone arrowheads is bullshit

>crafting

>you stop getting recipes like halfway into the game

>base building is more like a half-baked thing they added just to put a checkmark on the list of shit mechanics to add in

>final area of the game is a fucking slog

>final quest is just gathering more shit

And then to really piss me off

>they fire the most talented member of the development team because they made jokes on twitter

>>15212802

>crafting

>it's actually just manufacturing

Every time.

>>15212802

>>final area of the game is a fucking slog

Before they had finished that last area, you could go down there, you would go over a vertical cliff drop through a hole and there was this black void with only microbial life floating around and ominous, terrifying music, and you couldn't tell if something was down there with you there wasn't, but it felt like there was. I enjoyed leapfrogging bases down there, from an exploration standpoint, WAY more than the finished version, because the finished one was neither intimidating nor atmospheric.

>World of Tanks

>shitload of countries to pick from

>~5 or 6 trees of different types of tanks

>only one starting tank

>if you get into more than 20 battles or buy upgrades for a tier 2 tank you're locked out of the first tier to prevent sealclubbing

>tier 2/3, because they're combined, is almost completely filled with sealclubbers because shittier tanks give and take more damage

>can only get tanks of other trees by earning experience with the starting tank

>even official responses to this is "make a new account they're free" so they can artificially boost their playercount

>project reality

>if a bullet lands anywhere within 15 feet of you, you go blind

>uninstalled

>>15218966

>he can't handle fucking Orks

The whole

>certain stats raise on level up when you're of different vocation and everything is permanent

bullshit from dragon's dogma.

That's not how multiclassing works.

>>15181331

why is there a mushroom attatched to her hair?

>>15180939

>Playing the entire game with lock on

This is a joke, right?