2533d4 No.15158886
I temporarily using a wireless mouse at the moment and I'm currently stumpted on what to buy, could anyone recommend me any good mouses that can get the job done for cheap? thanks
bddaae No.15158894
Zowie is the best brand. If any anon here proves that they're kikes or their products are actually overpriced and overrated garbage then I guess go for something else.
f4b053 No.15159132
>>15158894
That simply isn't true; Zowie Mice are purely bought for their shape and lack of bloatware. The clicks are terrible, and the sensor (While serviceable) has been beaten since.
BenQ has gotten complacent, which will definitely hurt them if this Logitech "FK" makes it to market.
t. Zowie FK2 owner
bbb831 No.15159200
M705 is pretty good unless you smash it against the table. $50.
t. dumbass who smashed his m705 against the table after 5 years of service so now it clicks funny
142ad1 No.15159278
>One of these threads again
Are you actually looking for advice OP? I feel like all these m/kb threads are made by shills and shitposters.
bbb831 No.15159294
d6da74 No.15159409
>>15158886
I own the g402. I would pick something less "LE GAYMER" but it was all there was in supply in my isolated shithole.
I have owned it for 6 months and I don't know if the buttons have gone through break in or if their clicks will get mushy, but if this isn't break in one day they will definitely go mushy.
You can't turn off the LEDs. At all. You can make them weaker but you can't turn them off. I just severed the wires powering the LEDs on mine.
The design is edgy shit, it's not ergonomic and it'll never be, it's just for madcatz-tier flashyness.
You need logitech's botnet malware driver to configure it, and then the configuration is saved to the mouse's firmware. I bound some of the buttons with the botnet driver on a sacrificial sheep's computer otherwise the buttons beyond MOUSE4 and MOUSE5 are useless. The DPI button is thankfully rebindable too because it's ledditor e-sports snake oil shit and the mouse claims that any of the DPI settings is the native DPI because the signal is "resampled analogically" or some other retarded nonsense, but that's wrong, and nobody has proved which DPI is the right one yet so I recommend you stick to 400dpi which is most likely to be the correct one or an exact multiple of it. The DPI settings are also actually 105% of the real DPI. 400dpi is actually 380dpi for instance.
Overall if you can get it for 10 dollars that's all it's worth, I myself paid the equivalent to 80 dollars because fuck me for being a 3rd worlder.
ffe27d No.15159417
>>15159344
>he doesn't know about the Logitech G305
bbe6e9 No.15159497
>>15159417
>he doesnt know about the superior and cheaper g400
64d478 No.15159603
>>15159409
I don't know what you mean the design isn't ergonomic at all, I have the mouse too and it's one of the comfiest mice I've had. It fits in my hand nicely, all the button are placed well so I never have to strain to press anything and I like the feel of it.
Also maybe they just have shit QA but in my experience I've had mine for 2 years now and the clicks are as sharp as ever so maybe it's just hit or miss on whether you'll get a decent one or not. Personally I really like the mouse, I got it on a black friday sale for $40 and I've liked it ever sicne
64d478 No.15159611
>>15159409
I should add that the LEDs not turning off all the way is super fucking gay but you can turn it down to the point where it's barely noticeable. I agree otherwise though that's my main downpoint on that mouse
bbe6e9 No.15159616
>>15159603
>I don't know what you mean the design isn't ergonomic
>It fits in my hand nicely
Maybe you should think for a second before posting?
258657 No.15159635
I got a G403 a few months ago and it started getting a scrolling issue where it randomly scrolls in the opposite direction that you're scrolling, even with the new firmware that was supposed to fix this. It's very mild and not that frequent and is not a problem so far but I don't know if it'll get worse, for this reason I do not recommend it.
The problem is that if you live in the third world , you'll find that mice that cost the same in the US will have radically different prices. In my area Logitech mice have reasonable prices but Zowie/Razer are multiple times the price.
60e788 No.15159653
>>15159344
>>15159417
>>15159497
Nothing wrong with wireless. I have two setups at home, my computer in my bedroom. Everything is wired there. But I have a second computer in my living room hooked up to my computer. Can't stretch cables across my entire living room so a wireless keyboard and mouse have to do. I don't really know what keyboard and mouse I use in my living, would have to get up to find that out but they are doing pretty fine.
64d478 No.15159660
>>15159616
What did I post wrong? He said the design isn't ergonomic and I said in my opinion it is ergonomic
256006 No.15159669
Can you still get mice with balls?
bbe6e9 No.15159676
>>15159660
He basicly says it doesnt fit his hand and you try to argue it with "but it fits my hand?" are you for real?
I'm not even trying to be mean but are you really this dense?
64d478 No.15159689
>>15159676
>The design is edgy shit, it's not ergonomic and it'll never be
He's stating that it's not ergonomic at all and it never will be, not that it doesn't fit his hand. To which I replied that I don't understand how he can categorically state it's not ergonomic at all when I find it to be very ergonomic so I don't understand his statement.
Like you understand the difference right? The way he made it sound like it was a objective statement and not just bad for him
bbe6e9 No.15159706
>>15159689
>The way he made it sound like it was a objective statement and not just bad for him
Yeah I guess you could see it like that.
It doesnt really matter if he meant or didnt mean it as objective or subjective. Its subjective even so.
I just found it really bizarre that you countered that with an obviously subjective opinnion too like it isnt any different from his.
64d478 No.15159710
>>15159706
That's fair, I guess I just read it differently. I can understand how my statement would seem strange though
0ca404 No.15159713
Finalmouse UL Phantom > SteelSeries Rival 600 > Logitech G403 = G703 > Zowie FK2 (subpar sensor beware)
everything else is basically trash
a02126 No.15159714
>2018, the year of our lord and savior, Jesus Christ
>Not using the god-tier trackball
19df78 No.15159721
Everyone remember this one? It reined supreme for well over a decade, and, to some, probably still does. Oddly, the two I went through eventually suffered the same defect where the left mouse button would have a double click feel and sound to it. Very annoying.
I am using the Logitech G500 now. Been using Logitech since my very first PC back in 1993.
bbe6e9 No.15159731
>>15159710
I'm sorry for the confusion then, here have this cat as compensation.
cfa6b0 No.15159734
>>15159721
fucking awful piece of shit with severe angle snapping.
abfcab No.15159735
>>15159734
>he doesn't like his cursor to move with robot-like precision
cfa6b0 No.15159757
>>15159735
>he needs his $45 mouse to not give the inputs he makes
mx518 has always been shit
bbe6e9 No.15159760
>>15159734
Did you remember to disable acceleration and other useless shit like that?
89b941 No.15159785
G9x/G502 are the best mice you can get period, even with the G9x being 4+ years old it still has better response/tracking than 99.999999% of mice released in the last five years
This isn't so much in part to the sensor, it's in part to the massively overpowered CPU they coupled to the damn thing to bring response time to sub 1ms
People like to shit on Logitech but at least Logitech doesn't take off the shelf parts and mark them up, they actually stick in high quality switches/glass/spend money on ergonomics etc, along with making sure the CPU/USB controllers are second to none
Hell all things considered the fuck happened to Zowie? They put out 2-3 good mice and suddenly they got their heads up their ass and massively marked up the prices on all their shit, when their mice are technically today worse than most Steelseries
89b941 No.15159799
>>15159757
People have nostalgia because the MX518 was technically better than the intellimouse, but all things considered today that means fuck all
Intellimouse has 22ms of lag, the MX518 has 14.4MS of lag yet people keep holding both up as the "Holy grail" of mice when if they attempted to use them today they're realize how shitty they are
eab115 No.15159801
>>15159785
>People like to shit on Logitech
For good reasons. You might be right on the mouse part, but they totally suck at everything else. Well let's not say everything, they have some good products but they suck at a lot of things they do.
cfa6b0 No.15159806
>>15159760
Of course, how could I ever forget having to install Logitech's shitty fucking mouse drivers that fucked up raw input in a ton of games but you still needed it to make that ugly piece of shit usable.
>>15159801
That's amazing. Logitech is madcatz but not out of business.
19df78 No.15159807
>>15159801
Their keyboards seem alright to me. Been using G11's for about 10 years now.
89b941 No.15159810
>>15159801
Logitech, Corsair and lately SteelSeries has been the top brands you can buy of anything, LG used to be on that list but they've fucked up massively over the years, now I'd only trust their optical drives
If they're not building custom units out of top parts they rebrand top units, Logitech and Steelseries is less guilty of the latter but Corsair has built a huge business on rebranding only the cream of the crop of parts
89b941 No.15159818
>>15159806
>Of course, how could I ever forget having to install Logitech's shitty fucking mouse drivers that fucked up raw input in a ton of games but you still needed it to make that ugly piece of shit usable.
What absolute drivel are you shoveling?
bbe6e9 No.15159822
>>15159806
Really? I installed it because I wanted to change up some buttons for specific games and made presets for ease of use, its a bit clunky to use but I havent gotten anything like that.
602528 No.15159825
89b941 No.15159826
>People blaming drivers for lag etc when they've probably not disabled all native mouse acceleration across any version of windows with MarkC Mouse Fix
cfa6b0 No.15159827
>>15159818
>>15159822
I'm talking about around 2008-2010 when I last used it.
bbb831 No.15159835
>>15159818
>>15159806
>ton of games
I only know of F.E.A.R.
>>15159818
>absolute drivel
here ya go, for future use
19df78 No.15159837
>>15159825
You didn't like cleaning your mice back in the day?
cfa6b0 No.15159840
>>15159837
don't use your cat as a mousepad
89b941 No.15159842
bbe6e9 No.15159850
>>15159827
Ah that explains it, drivers are a lot better these days.
cfa6b0 No.15159856
>>15159842
Unlike others I realized it was shit by 2010 and saw to replace it by 2011. Most mice these days are also pretty shitty but at least the zowie ones I've been using have only had mechanical failures and otherwise function without stupid bullshit "features."
602528 No.15159857
89b941 No.15159863
>>15159856
Hell Logitechs first Laser mouse was far and beyond better than the MX518, reducing lag to 11MS
89b941 No.15159869
>>15159856
Also Zowies are absolute shit these days and they're going the full RAZER path by sticking in a high quality sensor and absolute fucking garbage everything else
55fb3b No.15159886
>>15158886
Logitech G402 is a great choice.
4f3284 No.15159914
>>15159653
You could get a usb extention cord combined with a hub; seen some people use this as a setup for in the livingroom.
602528 No.15159918
What mice have the highest Perfect Control/Malfunction Speed? Is there a good website for mouse benchmarks?
496f6f No.15159919
>>15159653
>>15159914
How do people comfortably use a mouse and keyboard comfortably in their living room?
602528 No.15159928
>>15159919
They sit on the floor with their legs under the coffee table, and the mouse/keyboard on top of it.
Or they simply use it uncomfortably.
eab115 No.15159936
>>15159919
it's not that comfortable, but what else am I supposed to do? Buy a steam controller? Yeah not doing that. I usually lie down on my couch and it's impossible to get comfortable with kb/m that way.
327cd8 No.15159946
>>15159132
>overwatch
>>15159200
>wireless mice
>>15159810
>Logitech, Corsair and lately SteelSeries has been the top brands you can buy of anything
>that entire fucking statement
I no joke thought for a second that I somehow ended up on halfchan, jesus christ.
496f6f No.15159957
>>15159928
>>15159936
I actually keep a computer desk in front of my couch but that doesn't help with the shit tier posture when playing vidya, just wondering what everyone else tried.
eab115 No.15159977
>>15159957
>the shit tier posture when playing vidya
Got these from one of the previous kb/m threads. Everyone has their own way of sitting comfortable on a couch, and I honestly have no way of sitting comfortable while using a keyboard and mouse. Even the expensive couchmaster solution isn't perfect since it forces you to sit upright. I try to make the best out of it by using my arm wrists while playing.
602528 No.15159979
>>15159957
>a computer desk in front of my couch
>doesn't help with the shit tier posture
Wait, why are you in the living room to begin with? Why not just in your own room?
9e1cc6 No.15159986
>>15159837
At least they lasted. Mice now will break in less than a year from normal use. I had a ball Logitech mouse that lasted years, the logo on it rubbed off completely.
>>15159977
Put pillows rolled in half behind your lower back for support, and sit up straight you layabout.
496f6f No.15159994
>>15159979
I am in my own room, its just that I use this couch for everything and have no room for anything else.
>>15159977
Looks like a good idea but I'm not using a corner couch, it's just a basic loveseat.
>>15159986
I use pillows behind my back but I didn't think to roll them up, goddamn I feel stupid.
e3a60f No.15160011
>>15159977
Sitting like that cuts off the circulation to your arms and makes it more likely to give you carpel tunnel or nerve damage in your arms.
256006 No.15160234
>>15159825
I just like them. I mean they still make trackballs so the tech pipelines are still around.
0bda15 No.15161006
>>15159977
Or you can use controller in place of a keyboard so you can only worry about the mouse?
abf672 No.15161410
Get something that fits your hand well. That's the most important thing, rest doesn't matter that much.
6c47bf No.15162077
best cheap mouse with a flawless sensor is the Logitech G203/102 (depending on your location). I think I got mine for $20 USD. Classic shape with few frills and nice buttons.
dff21a No.15162100
Logitech G103/203
30 bucks, decent clicks, good sensor.
My only complaint after a few months is that the mouse click lets go a bit too easy.
dff21a No.15162151
>>15162100
note: I don't mean that the click lets go a bit easy after a few months use, but rather that I have used it for a few months long and the wheel click has always let go a bit easy.
bfb082 No.15162405
Check out
https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/
to get the most in depth autistic discussion on mice.
>>15159132
Buy Nixeus Revel, same shape better sensor.
f1a552 No.15162437
>>15161006
Yeah I was thinking of buying something like that in the past, but I have no idea what controller to buy in that case. My friend owns a lenovo vr devices and their joysticks feel very weird in my hand. They are to small and too lightweight to hold.
8752e2 No.15162742
>>15158886
Nixeus Revel
Only downside is there's only a few site that import it if you're in yurop but it' 40 bucks for a no nonsense 5 button mouse with one of the best current sensor right now, reminds me of the old Zowie FK actually
>>15158894
They're good, but the issue is they used to be 50 bucks now they're closer to 80 and the mouse is mostly the same.
10ba43 No.15162766
I'm 6 years into my G400, considering getting a G600 when it croaks as I do more programming/modding nowadays than gaming, and could see the mmo buttons potentially making blender hurt less. Can't say I've played anything that could also make use of the extra buttons recently however.
8d871b No.15162768
>>15159919
bluetooth keyboard on lap and wireless mouse on the chair/couch arm
fucked if anything moves in front of you though, don't game with this
f1a552 No.15163004
>>15162768
>fucked if anything moves in front of you though, don't game with this
What the hell would be moving in front of you? You got a bear freely roaming inside your living room or something?
277fab No.15163763
>>15162768
>people actually put bluetooth radios on their dicks
602528 No.15163857
>>15159994
>no room for anything else.
Sorry to hear that, a proper chair would really help with posture.
6d63d6 No.15163865
>>15161006
I have the ps navi combined with this reddragon for some games and then for adventure games I just have the regular xbone controller.
The extra buttons on the reddragon are great for jumping, reloading and any other thing required in the moment.
Hopefully when the knuckle controllers come out I'll be able to replace all my mouse entirely and just stick with the knuckles for everything. There's already a v2 out for devs only.
a02126 No.15164370
564c69 No.15165668
>>15158886
i got a g403 and im happy with it
also check out this dude for recs https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJaDZC7PChgd-XMwcbZkiw
830b14 No.15165700
>>15163004
Shouldn't be gaming with anything wireless in the first place, unless it's some Korean grindan or TBS
343028 No.15165720
>>15158886
I used to use Razer but like many other here I now swear by the Logitec G series.
474712 No.15165723
Thinking of getting a G203 since I'm on a budget so other mice like the G500 or anything in the G400 series isn't possible for me right now. Is the G203 any good regardless or should I just say fuck it and get the G500?
c90555 No.15166102
>>15159278
Shills ate hired to work everywhere, its not surprising.
in other news, tripfags/names pay or request people to reply to their posts
c56182 No.15166108
>>15159344
>>15159946
Wireless mice are great for one reason: No cable drag.
It might depend a little on your setup, but there's virtually no way to ensure that a mouse cable never snags or drags on anything, even itself. Even the slightest bit of a snag WILL throw off your aim when you try to flick the mouse. A wireless mouse has no cord, so there's nothing there to disrupt you.
55ab04 No.15167966
>>15165668
>hey guys this mouse is the greatest ever, just click down here in the description on my affiliate link and use the promocode "SHILL2k18" to buy it
Not sure if he's all that trustworthy.
602528 No.15169027
>>15164370
>Trackball
This shit is starting to annoy me.
e1948d No.15169038
>>15164370
trackballs haven't been relevant since mice with laser sensors were invented. Your lack of skipping mouseball is no longer an advantage when you still have to spend weeks relearning basic motor skills on the damn thing
8cde61 No.15170047
CST trackball
Piece of industrial equipment
720ed7 No.15170218
>>15159653
>Nothing wrong with wireless
397c18 No.15178482
Plebs the whole lot of y..
>>15170047
OMG!
I´m not worthy…
This is the piece of gook shit I have to use because Logitech has gone to crap a long time ago too.
293bde No.15178527
>>15178482
>OMG!
>
>I´m not worthy…
c7e486 No.15178543
I really like the Crosair M65 Pro. But I need a comfy thing for my wrist and keyboard.
397c18 No.15178554
>>15178527
>>15170218
What´s with all the silly thread Hitlers in here?
Are you really this clueless about how utterly shit the standard gooks plastic hardware is?
No matter what ´tard (((brand))) is pasted on.
293bde No.15178572
>>15178554
>zomgozers, fuggen grammer nazis no fun allowd
first of all, I was the guy who suggested M705 and I deserve to be ridiculed for gaming with one. I have my reasons to own it instead of something decent, but this isn't livejournal.
Second, when you faggots come in here spouting reddit shit that obviously doesn't belong, you will be called out for it. So get the fuck out.
And I don't mean just this thread, >>15178294 .
397c18 No.15178637
>>15178572
Well thanks for the heads up pal.
FYI I don´t give a flying fuck how to properly autist here or heed some bob telling me to fuck off.
Also you´re welcome for tracking my other posts.
Hope the autism is as enjoyable for you as it is irrelevant to me.
4f3284 No.15181839
>>15161006
Still have the 'flying/air' mouse from my minix box, it's far from ideal but it works.
cac31b No.15181882
>>15165723
Basically all about shape. Everything in G400 and 500 series use flawless sensors and so does the 203 so it barely matters, if you like the shape of the G203 go ahead, if you don't then skip.
>>15170218
There really isn't. The latency is impossible to notice on anything that's half decent. The only thing that stands in the way is battery weight, but even that is being nullified today.
f36d85 No.15182088
>>15181762
Haven't used my EMP yet, but I took it out to compare to the G400. Very, very similar. Weight is distributed slightly differently, and the texture is a lot smoother on the EMP. Shitty pics, but you can get an idea for them. I haven't seen any pics that compare the EMP with the G400 anywhere.
258657 No.15186556
>>15159635
Well since I've written this post the reverse scroll issue has gotten a lot worse, don't buy this fucking mouse.
8af1dc No.15186740
Logitech mice are decent, but I hate the fucking silicone grips that MELT from just your body heat or the matte finish that eventually rubs off on your skin.
Most of the mice I've had recently started fucking up with their laser tracking, where the cursor will fly off in random directions at break neck speeds, making any game that relies on accuracy impossible to play. I'll try turning one way and suddenly I've done a 180 staring down a wall, or with my previous mouse the cursor would fly off in one direction and I'd be facing straight up spinning like a top.
I read that this might be from a hair getting stuck in the laser's path and went through a hell of a process taking the one mouse apart to clean it out, but it was for nothing.
34204b No.15195469
>>15186740
>Logitech mice are decent, but I hate the fucking silicone grips that MELT from just your body heat or the matte finish that eventually rubs off on your skin.
Roccat has the only soft touch surface I haven't seen go bad in a year or so, everyone else either melts, peels, cracks or hardens
a2ace1 No.15195475
>>15182088
Clean your mouse.
000000 No.15195485
Can I interest you goyim in Razer™ brand mice, the only mouse and keyboards for true gamers?
8af1dc No.15200773
>>15163865
I could never understand how anyone can use a mouse with all those thumb buttons. What even do you map the buttons to?
a66128 No.15203306
>>15159409
>stick to 400 DPI
<unironically using low CPI (DPI is for printing faggot)
You're supposed to use high CPI (unless playing shit like CS 1.6), then lower sensibility in-game to get the same effect as your desired CPI target. That way given a movement your crosshairs will move the same distance but have more discrete steps. If you use low CPI and compensate with increased sensitivity the game will add fake steps between 2 counts to compensate, thus throwing off your aim.
>mouse claims that any of the DPI settings is the native DPI
All sensors have their own native CPI steps. Good sensors, like the Pixart PMW3360 for example, will take any CPI multiple of 50 just fine. Shitty sensors offer a limited list of CPI values and will interpolate when you pick a non-native CPI.
You're supposed to take note of a mouse's sensor's supported CPI values before even considering buying it.
946f60 No.15203337
>>15200773
I wouldn't play FTL without it but so far it's the only game where I use most of the buttons on it. It's also useful for 3d modelling since you can quickly switch camera views or manipulate brushes and the cursor.
b757c3 No.15203983
>>15165668
>Rocket Jump Ninja
He is literally a mouse merchant who uses his esports status to shill mice. Fuck him and everything he says, He conned me into getting a shit mouse, and shills for zowie all the fucking time.
You are right about the g403 tho. I have the g703 now (basically current gen 403) and I am satisfied with it as well.
b757c3 No.15203999
>>15195469
>Roccat has the only soft touch surface I haven't seen go bad in a year or so, everyone else either melts, peels, cracks or hardens
Roccat mouse owner here. Your full of shit.
34204b No.15204028
>>15203999
My Roccat Savu is like 3 years old and nothing like that happened.
9fcdd7 No.15204137
I like mice with tons of side buttons of variable sizes so you can easily feel the different buttons with your thumb, but that particular design was very niche and seem to be going extinct.
71a3a4 No.15204220
>>15158886
I have two of the pic OP posted. I like them. I like the weights that you can add to it too.
2d6fe8 No.15204523
>you will never have a workstation like this
also i don't actually know the game that's being teased in hitman 2
3b9999 No.15205516
I have a Reddragon Mammoth M801, thing was like $25 and it has DPI up the ass. Goes up to 16,400