/v/ - Video Games

>>15148585

Crimson Dragon had better have been one of the reasons for doing so anon.

>>15148608

no, I actually believed microsoft would release good games and thought the kinect had a lot of potential

>>15148571

By being too corporate.

>>15148571

If I was Microsoft I would completely abandon the console project and go into developing servers for smart-homes that integrated desktop/gaming system/smart home control into a centralized computer. The computer is accessed via thin clients throughout the home or wirelessly through devices.

Then microsoft could capture the market of home-owners who want a system for general desktop computing, entertainment systems for watching movies on TV or playing games and the gimmicky smart-home market.

Microsoft could easily merge its Xbox team into a subgroup of the windows server team so they could build a controlled hardware platform and the new windows server offshoot.

Boom. You can have this one for free, microsoft. Normalfags will love it. They'll even put kinect sensors all through their homes so they can do gimmicky hand gestures to turn off lights and play your shitty motion-controlled games. Boomers love that shit.

>>15148639

Sound like a nice idea we could call it FC for familial computer, it can do anything a PC does but without the privacy.

>>15148571

>How did Microsoft mismanage the Xbox One this badly?

Easy. Microsoft doesn't make anything good, they buy good stuff and make it terrible. There are exceptions of course, like the original X-Box, but they did manage to fuck up the controller so hard that they had to release a new version.

>inb4 360 was good.

No, it was just better than the PS3.

>>15148656

The goyim will put cameras in their homes for the most basic of conveniences

>>15148709

c-c-convenient for the inevitable piracy anon!

>>15148571

>the only exception being Forza which is already beat by multiplatform racing games

I don't think so. While Turn10 doesn't seem to inovate much compared Playground Games, the franchise is still the best out there.

>microsoft has shutdown multiple studios this generation including the one that fable, formerly a huge franchise for microsoft

…and they've bought several studios and one of them is working on a Fable game.

>>15148639

>If I was Microsoft I would completely abandon the console project and go into developing servers for smart-homes that integrated desktop/gaming system/smart home control into a centralized computer. The computer is accessed via thin clients throughout the home or wirelessly through devices.

While this sounds interesting, I think the console/gaming market needs more than 2 competitors (especially when one is going full social engineering and cinematic experiences and the other makes cardbords to play pretend). The industry needs real competition, I don't know if Microsoft is capable of it anymore but at least they've finally understood that they have huge market: the PC.

>>15148639

If I was Microsoft i just turn off Windows support for people buying competing products. (put non compete clause in the Win EULA). Use windows? Home? Work? 3rd party service? Any purpose? Can't play on PS4, jokes on you ahaha.

>>15148571

>with the only exception being Forza which is already beat by multiplatform racing games

Name them.

>>15148571

Yeah, Forza is literally the only thing that

they have.

>>15148626

The Kinect does have a lot of potential and it's a real shame they were so focused on exercise games and voice control gimmicks. Seriously, I guarantee if they release it with some shit like VRChat, it would be a different story.

>>15148709

No, Anon. He brought it BEFORE launch.

>>15149093

>I think the console/gaming market needs more than 2 competitors

Dreamcast 2 any day now.

>>15148571

The Sony show was worse. It was voted the least impressive.

>buy Minecraft

>don't make it exclusive

>don't create a sequel

They're not even trying.

Didn't they finally retaliate against Sony with switch crossplay or something?

>>15151289

Looks like a videogame to me

>>15151296

Did you know that this is a kinect only fighting game?

>>15151324

I want a kinect game where I get to grab lolis like this

>>15148585

>preordering

>>15148571

>How did Microsoft mismanage the Xbox One this badly?

By competing with itself and undermining their own products through petty office politics.

>spent millions of dollars investing in a DRM system that they ended up stripping because of backlash

Those 'millions of dollars' are absolutely nothing to them and they need to keep spending more money on R&D every year in order to claim tax credits:

>Video game companies also get other research-related breaks. In 1981, as Americans worried that Japan’s growing dominance in the auto business would be followed by a decline of the high-tech industry in the United States, Congress added another research and development credit, this time specifically for companies that increased their R.& D. spending from the previous year. The hope was that by encouraging companies to invest more in research, the private sector might create the next Bell Laboratories and inspire the kind of technological breakthroughs that benefit society as a whole.

>The failed attempts to restrict the R.& D. credit to basic research have been a boon for video game companies. Even when companies are merely creating new versions of existing games — conducting research that would have little value to anyone but themselves — their development processes usually involve enough experimental uncertainty to qualify for the tax break.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/technology/rich-tax-breaks-bolster-video-game-makers.html

This also explains why they spent over $100 million on designing the Xbone controller.

>seemed to have realized this and true microsoft fashion threw money at the problem, buying out a bunch of studios. Problem is most of the studios they bought out have mediocre track records

>rare has once again proven to have been an absolutely terrible investment

First of all that money they're throwing around belongs to Microsoft Research Ireland which is owned by Bermuda based Round Island One, they have over a hundred billion dollars in earnings parked overseas that they need to spend on acquisitions in order to decrease their tax liens and avoid US taxes. This article gives a good overview of how it works:

http://www.ibtimes.com/minecraft-nokia-skype-how-microsoft-buys-overseas-companies-avoid-us-taxes-1693869

That's why almost all the studios they've bought up in the last decade were based in Europe. For the one they bought in Canada that's more tax breaks and government subsidies mentioned in the NYT article above, especially in Quebec where corporations are given hundreds of thousands for each job they create on top of 37.5% of their payroll being reimbursed. If all the studios they've bought never made a single game they'd still be in the black on these deals as they're just used to move money around.

If looked at for what it is, an obvious tax shelter to help legally launder money, the Xbox brand is doing fine and will stay around for decades more. The real disaster that everybody has forgotten or never heard about was their 'Xbox Entertainment Studios' 2012 iniative that was supposed to produce big budget movies, television series, documentaries and host major live events. That was the reason why the Xbone was so focused on everything but video games.

>>15151267

Don't forget that Minecraft crossplay on the Switch requires an Xbox Live account. They know what they're doing by releasing multiplatform versions and Sony is playing it smart by not going along with them.

>>15151337

to fug or what?

>>15151749

To perform only legally sanctioned activities with

>poor E3 this year

At least a C+ on the report card, don't be disingenuous

>>15151716

God damn, are taxes such a gigantic nigger rape gangbang that they'd rather throw hundreds of millions to the trash just to avoid paying them?

I guess paying taxes is for suckers.

>>15152254

Thanks FBI

But how can you just magically avoid taxes? I pay 13% on everything. You want me to steal half my shit?

>>15152254

Discussing taxation and making sure the average citizen pays appropriate taxation is not illegal.

>>15152274

Pay in cash and barter, as well as dont buy luxury goods.

>forza horizons

>actually good backwards compability

thats all i honestly need

>>15152340

Everything MS does is mismanaged. That's what you get when you put a currynigger and women in charge. The only reason people still use Windows after 10 turned out to be a complete and utter piece of shit is because there is no alternative.

>>15149645

iRacing

>>15152071

What they'd rather do is irrelevant as they have a legal obligation to their shareholders to spend the money this way.

And thinking about their recent announcements of becoming the 'Netflix of gaming' by providing gaming through their cloud services there's a few more hundred million they'll blow on something nobody wants and can't work properly thanks to the impossible to fix issue of high latency. But they have to waste that money on R&D or else they lose the tax breaks.

>>15152340

>because Sony was running a tax scam and advertising the PS2 as a home computer

I wouldn't call it a scam considering they provided a free Yabasic compiler with all PAL versions of the console to comply with EU regulations. It was a fully functional home computer according to the excise laws and they even went above and beyond by offering a Linux development kit. Sony was fucked over and thanks to that the PS4 is the first of their consoles to not have any official options for homebrew.

>>15152461

San Francisco Rush would work kinda neat as an open world game, but it would be in Commiefornia. Outrun would be great, but not sure how the series could or should expand. Also, don't forget Ridge Racer 8 might exist. [spoilers]Putting aside the last 3 Ridge Racers over the past ten years haven't come close to RR7 in quality[/spoiler]

>>15152560

>[spoiler]

>>15152549

>I wouldn't call it a scam considering they provided a free Yabasic compiler with all PAL versions of the console to comply with EU regulations.

Except, that's not what they advertised in the hype buildup. At least not here in the States. They were talking about HDD & Modem support like it'd be integral to the system, a full featured file browser that allowed you to store and view images, music, movies, etc. They advertised game installation and a web browser, and all sorts of other very PC oriented features.

They delivered on them in only the most non-committal way. The HDD was delayed significantly, even though it was just a generic off-the-shelf drive, and never really did get it's media browsers outside of maybe the Linux OS. You could install a handful of games out of a catalog of thousands. The modem was significantly delayed as well, forcing games like Quake III Arena to be rendered permanently offline. The Linux OS, IIRC, at one time pre-launch claimed to come bundled with the HDD - but then dropped, and the only way to get it was to order it directly from Sony. Which nobody ever did, and they certainly didn't advertise it after the fact. Personally, I don't remember the HDD even being available stand-alone. I only saw it as a pack-in with FFXI, which basically made it a game-specific add-on rather than a system feature.

Also can I just say

HOW FUCKING OFTEN can that shitbox update when there's like nothing new coming to it.

>>15151716

Don't forget that Bioware is propped up by the Canadian government. They acquire some 40% of their budget via taxpayer-funded subsidies and if they didn't have them year after year, they'd be hemhorraging money after just one year.

>>15151234

>It would be a denuvo machine.

Only games on (((Windows))) have Denuvo. Being able to make games for custom hardware again, and having incentive to support it with a wide library, is my best chance of getting a new Jet Set Radio.

>>15151744

>Switch is outselling fucking everything.

Grow the fuck up soyboy. Switch flopped and you know it.

>>15151744

>image

Same guy from /mde/?

>>15155008

This isn't even something to argue over. Whoever wants to prove themselves right can just quickly post sales figures. But I don't give a shit about switch so I'm not going to. Stop derailing the thread.

>>15150594

The OG Xbox was the Dreamcast 2.

>>15155058

I get what you mean but fuck you anyway. Sega master race.

tfw you want a Fable 4 but you know it would be even shittier than 3

>>15155192

Fable was never good. 1 had muh strong nigger womyn and didn't deliver on almost any of the promises made, on top of playing like shit, 2 and 3 were just retarded.

>>15155196

Niggers were nowhere near a big problem with the original Fable. I think the real issues were the mediocre gameplay, the complete lack of meaningful customization, a karma system based on whether you killed guards or bandits, and only one, blatantly black and white choice in the game at the very end despite a marketing campaign that constantly talked up how every choice you made would have some affect on the game.

>>15155244

>Niggers were nowhere near a big problem with the original Fable

You're right, but the tokenism was so blatant even my naive younger self smelled something rotten about it. Fable remains as one of the biggest disappointments of my gaming "career". So much potential down the drain because Molyneoux is a hack.

>>15155196

1 nigger in a fantasy game ruined the entirety of it

Is your entire day also ruined if you go outside and see 1 nigger? I must admit it happens to me so I completely understand your POV

>>15155270

>Is your entire day also ruined if you go outside and see 1 nigger?

Yes.

>>15156658

>implying you can play games for other consoles on your drm machine

>implying you can run unauthorized code on your console without circumventing drm

nice bait faggot

>>15156817

Except consoles are just shitty, obsolete pc hardware running proprietary operating systems that lock you into the manufacturers walled garden.

You can play pc games on any kind of hardware combination you want. You can modify code, tweak graphics, run third party programs, and play pirated games with cracked exes for free. Consoles have their place but to imply they aren't restrictive drm machines is retarded.

>>15156817

Define serious vidya. The only issue that crops up with Wine is when you encounter shit like BattlEye.

>>15156817

>consoles are not just DRM machines

>Linux isn't viable for gaming

>only games of worth this decade made for consoles in nipland

Holy shit you need to stop posting, stop jerking off while inserting katanas into your ass, and reconsider your entire life you fucking weeb. Everything you've said so far is wrong or an outright lie.

>>15156658

It's semantics. You can argue consoles aren't technically DRM based on different opinions on what qualifies as "DRM" all you want; either way, whether it counts as "DRM" or not, the console is a walled garden. That's worse than any DRM on PC. Denuvo doesn't lock you out of running any software on your PC that doesn't have Denuvo; installing Steam doesn't prevent you from using all non-Steam software on your PC; not even locked down shit like Android completely prevent you from installing and running software made by third parties without Google's approval/authorization. A console, however, generally does everything it can to prevent you from running unauthorized code. I agree that calling the consoles themselves "DRM" is dumb, but it's even more retarded to act like they're somehow any better just because they aren't technically DRM. You're trading shackles for a prison cell, that isn't an improvement.

>>15156929

>you mean more or less like on hacked consoles too?

You're cracking it to circumvent the restrictions, that doesn't mean the restrictions don't exist. You can crack DRM too, that doesn't mean it isn't DRM.

>>15156658

>i love when mustard race faggots show again they know absolutely nothing of what the fuck they're talking about, and claim DRM the moment the hardware and OS is different from PCs/Windblows and things are made for them

Except it literally is because games on consoles have digital licenses which prevent you from sharing digital games - and if Microsoft would have had their way, those digital licenses would have extended to physical games as well. Even so, there's still anti-piracy measures to try to keep you from playing dumped/burned games.

>>15148626

>kinect had a lot of potential

>after the 360

Anon do you have a bully fetish? Are you a compulsive liar? Is the answer all of the above?

>>15156346

Sega presumably is rightly scared of piracy after what happened with the Dreamcast. And don't get me wrong I pirated the shit out of Dreamcast games but I felt bad when I realized they weren't making anymore.

>>15156856

>You can play pc games on any kind of hardware combination you want.

This has an obvious advantage but also an obvious disadvantage. The ability to make games for a specific set of hardware allows devs to get the most out of that hardware and make a game that runs just how they want it to. When PS4Pro and Xbox One S came out people were saying that defeated the point, but it's still not the same because then devs just make games for the basic and maybe add extra features for the upgrade models, which is not something you can do for Windows games.

>>15156886

But he's right. Especially about the games. Thing is, very few good games have been made in the last decade are worth playing anyway, but the ones there are are on consoles. He should have doubled down and pointed out that the vast majority of games worth playing ever are all not only on consoles, but exclusive to one console. The most classic games of all time. Mario, Sonic, whatever. You have a couple like Doom or whatever on DOS or Windows but the number doesn't even compare.

>>15159242

>99% unplayed

>>15159242

>gamers aspiring more enlightenment

At least it's not "inspiring."

>hentai

I don't know how you can pretend to be ambitious when you yank your dick to pixels. I never tell people I'm smart because I know I'm dumb enough to yank my dick to pixels on a screen.

>>15148571

How? There are probably many reasons but one of them is that the exclusives they teased out where usually canceled and they wanted the MP market without realizing that it's a fickle market to begin with.

They had like 2 alpha demos one on Fable which many felt was meh and people just wanted to have Fable 1 or 2 back, you know a simple western rpg that is quite easy to play and have fun with.

Then you have the whole changing up MP for Halo, instead of a simple console shooter that it was, they had to push their luck by making the controls more like cod, making it more like a mix of Halo and cod.

And not to talk about canceling games after games for no other reason then, huh. This might not appeal to said MP community that usually play on steam all day. They had to push their luck with games that no one really wanted to play. Like Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 and then pimping Halo as it was on 360 where people where excited, genuinely excited about Halo 3.

And then making crackdown 3 where the first one just a beta demo for Halo 3.

So now, the whole xbone machine is nothing more then a Forza machine and the games that people want to play are from 3rd parties, because they closed studio after studio for no reason. Then like the usual microsoft move they bought a bunch of studios to work on new games.

>>15159175

>Never feel bad for any corporation. It is ok to steal from corporations.

It's not that I felt bad for the corporation. I felt bad because it meant I wouldn't be getting more of the products that I was enjoying. Look at how many franchises died with the Dreamcast or just after.

>Except, that's not the case, and they'd be dumb to waste all that time and effort into trying to custom tailoring their games for each platform when they're all just x86 machines.

Wasn't trying to defend modern consoles. Just the idea of them. No point defending anything in modern vidya.

>One of the big reasons why devs have been pushing that, was to make creating multiplat games as easy and painlessly as possible so they could sell to more markets as cheaply as possible and try to regain a bit more of their bloated development budgets.

Yeah but multiplats have never been the games really worth playing, and that's only become more and more the case over time. When you look at the best games of all time, they were always pushing their specific hardware to their limits, or doing tricks that seemingly shouldn't have worked with the power they had, but they used the specific properties of the hardware and found ways to do extra stuff.

>>15159884

>Yeah but multiplats have never been the games really worth playing

What the fuck does "being worth playing" have anything to do with it? You're just talking about companies looking to maximize profits. With the Sega Genesis and SNES - only the biggest and hottest games got multi-platform releases because it would cover the cost of making basically a whole new game from scratch for that hardware. Now, damned neared everything gets a port unless it isn't expected to cover the distribution and after-sale-support (if any) costs. If anything, the best games don't get ported either because they're niche and everybody who actually wants it already got it for the initial release platform, so the market is tapped, or it's super popular and somebody paid out the ass for timed exclusivity.

>>15159912

>With the Sega Genesis and SNES - only the biggest and hottest games got multi-platform releases

Sure. Things like Mario and Sonic, the video games so big everyone's grandma knows about them, are known for being multiplatform.

>>15148571

The Xbox 360 was trash too, but Microsoft will continue to make money as long as suckers continue to be suckers.

>>15148585

I did and I sold it in 2015 for $400 heh. Bought a GTX970.

>>15159939

even the biggest games this generation are exclusive. Basically it's a universal truth that exclusives are the games people want. This also goes for timed exclusive type games. When the first focus is on one platform and the others come later, that first focus has the chance to stand out tremendously. Sonic, Panzer Dragoon, Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII, DKC, Devil May Cry, Deus Ex, all tremendous games that either launched as exclusive or remain to this day, and were designed with that focus in mind.

The differences between platforms have minimized, but something like gravity rush 2' style switching, gyro camera and aiming, or even something as simple as demon's souls motion gesture system shows that the original platform got extra focus to make the experience that little bit better.

>>15159962

But first and second party games are the best ones. Third party games are just what you get to hold yourself over if you've got some cash burning a hole in your pocket and already have all the first party stuff. Of course the ones made to move hardware are the best ones, the ones where they give more of a shit.

>>15159972

There's the occasional third party hit like Dark Souls, but that was essentially transplanting the foundation of an exclusive and re-selling it two years after release. Demon's Souls is still the best one too.

>>15160032

On a console I can still buy physical copies, while on Windows I can only lease digital rentals.

>inb4 someone tries to argue physical copies are only technically licenses as well

Still waiting for Nintendo lawyers to take me to court so they can repossess my copy of Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt

The only reason to play on Windows is piracy being a bit easier. But modern games aren't even worth pirating, so usually all I'm doing is emulating old console games, which I was glad to own on console when they came out, so I didn't have to wait a decade for a good emulator. Also when I can emulate them on another platform, like packing my Wii full of emulators, it usually ends up being more convenient.

>>15160073

>larping this desperately

you need an argument son

>>15160093

>everyone I'm arguing with is samefagging

the absolute desperation of a guy who has been hopping IDs desperately while crying about "consensus cracking."

M$ did not missmanage the Xbone, they managed just the same as they had been managing it, the only diference being that they ran out of luck this gen

<OG Xbox

>enters the console race just as Sega is leaving

>they prey on all of Sega's left overs

>since their machine was developed at a later date, it's actually more powerfull than the PS2 wich dominated the market at the time

>it has a hard drive and a modem so it comes with internet

>the MMO genere, wich was once confined to PCs finally hits consoles

>Halo comes out and mutts with shit taste drool all over it cus muh online multiplayer

>online service actually works since M$ has experience with this shit

<360

>economic crash forces hundreds of once Sony exclusive devs to go multiplataform

>cheaper hardware than the PS3 and easyer to develop for baits even more devs to M$'s side

>since it's easy to pirate, it sells like hot bread in spicland and every other place that rellies almost exclusivelly on piracy for vidya, bloating the suposed instal base in the eyes of gulible devs

>still dominating in the online and UI departaments while Sony is strugling with PSN

>literally surpased Sony ONLY cus they got full of themselves after being kings of the hill with PS2 and thought they would get away with anything they tried

<Xbone

>after barelly being king of the hill for a short period of Gen 7 they get full of themselves thinking they can get away with anything they try, just like Sony during the previous gen

>Sony on, the other hand, learns a lesson and makes a more standarized console

you know the rest of the story

the Xbox brand was never good and M$ only managed to stay this long in the console busines cus they got lucky as fuck that everyone around them kept shooting themselves in the foot, just like they did with the Xbone

>>15160166

>M$ did not missmanage the Xbone, they managed just the same as they had been managing it

I agree with what you're ultimately saying but the way they handled it was mismanagement. Don Mattrick, the walking fuckup that heralded in the kinect and doomed the xbox 360 to last place after a massive lead from 2009 on was the reason the xbone was an unmitigated disaster right from the announcement day. I forgot the guys name but whoever headed the Xbox division after Blackley left up until Mattrick took over was doing a great job and had Sony on their heels for years. I remember watching a video or a series on it and they were doing things like developing other studios games in-house, having massive outreach programs, and even hardware development outreach which did unfortunately for them result in the RROD but great ambition can get some sloppy results, considering they were taking on both the PS2 and whatever Sony had coming up.

>>15160177

>if not selling your 2012 laptop you've admitted to own countless times will surely do the trick.

My laptops from 2016, but the PS4 is a 2012 laptop in terms of specs. You've been confused with that for countless times now. Jewish tricks do involve telling lies though, so I don't expect you to change gamezard. By the way, the laptop isn't my main machine and never was, just some Dell with a 1080p display I got so I could watch anime on the go, do some work when I'm out, or have something usable at a friends house. Digging the space tho, living rent free in your head for 2 years has been a blast.

>>15160193

i remeber this tread

i remeber keking my sides out of orbit when some anon said

>his next line will be Dark Souls

and lo and behold Dark Souls is mentioned in the very next post

>Paid online despite the service being barebones

i remeber Soyny not being kosher for once and not charging people for the online service once upon a time

Xbots still defended being Xbox Live goyim saying "hurrdurr i'd rather pay for something guarantied to work than have something of slightly inferior quality for free"

>>15160080

>consoles are DRM boxes

in another news water is wet

but seriusly who the fuck defends a console? i defend the PS2 not becos of my atachment to the DRM box but becos God Hand came out for it, same with N64 wich i defend cus OOT came out on it.

When people deffend a DRM box instead of the game library of said DRM box they are just stating that they want to find out how hot can an oven get

>>15160316

It's a strawman used by a (((select))) few retards that don't realize what makes platforms good is the games. Basically it's their way of setting the argument and deflecting from the DQ.

>>15160425

It's almost like you can simultaneously appreciate the good games that came out on a console and still think the console and consoles as a concept are shit. Shitting on a console doesn't mean you're shitting on its games.

>>15160448

No shit, that's always been my philosophy. Go where the games are. If there's good stuff out now, and more in the future, it's appealing.

>>15160282

Drones will always be drones, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, GOG

It doesn't matter, they're all the same

What matters is that Soyny is now the one milking retards with paid online now which they've upped the price countless times.

>>15160454

Except theres's literally nothing on modern consoles.

>>15160073

>Forgot your VPN now did you consolecuck shill?

Literally don't know what you're talking about. I've posted several times in this thread and you can see my ID. It's not trying to samefag if you're not trying to pretend your posts are from multiple sources.

As for the rest of your post, I advocated for piracy and didn't advocate for modern consoles at all. In fact earlier I talked shit about them. I made no effort to hide my identity so you can see my posts and see where I did that.

But the fact that you make this conversation at all about identity means you should go the fuck back to reddit or whatever other karma-seeking ego-stroking namefag site you come from. IDs are cancer for idiots that can't actually talk about ideas and have to instead try to attack the speaker.

>>15160080

Well good, at least you're only pirating and not paying for digital leases. I said that was a reason to play on Windows. The argument for consoles is that practically all of the best games ever made are first or second party console exclusives, made for particular hardware.

>>15160470

>Except theres's literally nothing on modern consoles.

Maybe for you, but I'm sure even if you do your own research you'll find plenty you would like.

>>15160471

>practically all of the best games ever made are first or second party console exclusives

Not really no, maybe the most advertised

>>15160501

>beung

Check your fucking posts before hitting the New Reply button you dumb nigger.

>>15160471

>IDs are cancer

ID tags here are a necesary evil

they are used to filter retards, redittors and shills

now that you spoted one you should make use of said function

Trust me, you remove IDs and /v/ will become a /tv/ tier shithole where faggots like maisyfag will keep spamming that disgusting fetusface in every tread and you can't filter them out

>>15160531

I would hate to see IDs go if only for the amount of autism people invest in them

>>15160487

Everyone knows video games peaked in 1998, and there were practically no PC games before that point that were as good as the best console games. You had a couple, sure, but let's not pretend it was the norm. The rest was shit that is only defended by poorfags whose parents didn't love them enough to get them real video games, but their grandma would sometimes give them a "computer game" for their birthdays, so 20 years later they still try to convince themselves that Jazz Jackrabbit was as good as Sonic the Hedgehog, and Commander Keen was as good as Mega Man. Next they'll start saying Super Mario Bros. Special is actually better than Super Mario Bros, since it's on PC, so it's automatically better.

PCfags only became really popular post-2007, when normalfags flooded in with Orangebox memegames because The Big Bang Theory told them THE CAKE IS A LIE XD and they could use Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2 as excuses to socialize with their friends online. Then they get on (((Steam))) and buy millions of shit indiegames that would have been free on Newgrounds a couple years earlier but now they think they're LE EBIN GAMERS. A couple years later they think they've been around forever because that's a long time in their short lives, and they sincerely don't realize that it was still very common up until right until they started playing for "PC" versions of games to be completely different, gimped versions of real video games. You might as well have been buying the Game Boy versions. I still remember the friend I knew who was adamant that Spider-Man 2 was a shitty game. We'd all argue with him for months, and it was almost like we were talking about different games. Then one day I went to his house and found out we were, because he was playing the PC version, which was a totally different, totally shit game. Because of course they couldn't just assume every PC owner would have good enough hardware to run it, so they make the game for shit hardware. And of course that's still the case, with Steam records showing that most of their audience runs toasters and only plays shit memegames. Plus since they know so much of the already negligible PC Master Race audience is pirating anyway, they don't bother putting real efforts into those versions. Which is why you still get shitty Windows ports and Denuvo shoved in everything. And I'm not saying that's a good thing, but I am saying that it's not hard to figure out why developers do it, so the so called Master Race shouldn't be surprised.

>>15160511

I'm pretty sure I'm on your side but you're a faggot.

>>15160531

Imageboards overall were at their best before IDs were invented. I can put up with everything you describe. They were there when 4chan was still good. I just want to go back to ten years ago.

>>15148672

gtfo animtrash

>>15160627

Sure thing, bro. Believe whatever you want. You can't attack the actual arguments being made.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed a bit of Doom and Duke Nukem 3D, but the amount of games of that caliber was not at all comparable to the number you'd be getting on Nintendo, Sega, or PlayStation.

>>15160669

>having to use TOR for such safe and milquetoast opinions

>>15160553

I love IDs since retards don't know how to post without being retarded.

>>15160553

Consoles were a technological time capsule, back in the day PC gaming was a pain in the ass cus requirement for instaling them weren't as standarized as they are todya, and also they were a lot more complex than console gaming wich was aimed motly at young kids so the made fun games that worked with 2 buttons on a joystick, meanwhile PC fags had stuff like Alone in the Dark or Bio Forge (the grandaddys of survival horror) where the MC had so many commands and controls that is was almost like a flight simulator, there were also Text and P&C adventures and whatever the Myst series was that force people to take their time and use their brain. young kids ain't got no time fo that sheit. here, see this gomba? go and stomp it

Consoles back then were to PC gaming what movile gaming now a days is to console gaming

>>15160713

none of those games really compare to what was big on consoles. Also sneaking Daggerfall in there is really cheap because it's a flat out shit game coupled together with some good ones. Stop trying to meme it into relevance, no Elder Scrolls games were good.

>>15160725

> back in the day PC gaming was a pain in the ass cus requirement for instaling them weren't as standarized as they are todya

also a lot of the games sucked dick compared to console games. Japanese home computers were fucking great, had tons of awesome games. In the West PC gaming wasn't really viable until the 90s. There's a few games from before then worth checking out, but just a handful.

>>15160732

I'm an 8 bit gen gamer, late 80s and early 90s is when i started gaming, i was aware of the existance of Atary but they looked like caveman stuff for me, i can't imagine what the PC counterpart to the Atary console must have been like

>>15160669

>All console games come to PC via emulation, inevitably. There is not a single reason to buy a console.

If you're okay waiting a decade or more to actually be able to play the games. And then you hear there's finally an emulator and turns out it's unplayable shit, but good enough for PCfags because they're so starved for games that even mangled emulation is good enough for them. The type of people who will claim there is actually good Saturn or Dreamcast emulation. How's that Xbox emulation coming along, by the way? Actually haven't kept up with that one. If I can get an easier way to play Jet Set Radio Future, I'll be psyched.

>>15160669

>Never feel bad for any corporation. It is ok to steal from corporations.

Already answered this exact quote. It's not that I felt bad for Sega. I felt bad for myself for getting no more of products I was enjoying. Practically all of Sega's franchises died after the Dreamcast. Some after getting their final releases put on Xbox instead, but still. Even for Sonic, I still wonder what would have happened there if Dreamcast succeeded. Would we have gotten a Dreamcast exclusive Heroes, or something better, like the previous two games on Dreamcast? I bet we'd have gotten more ToeJam and Earl and Ecco.

>It is better this way. If left alive, the companies responsible for them would just make worse and worse games, until the franchises become shit.

Maybe, I've seen that happen to franchises I like. But I've seen others that continue on and continue being good. Most of the time the franchises I like go to shit, it's because new devs took over or something. Doesn't happen as much to first party stuff. You'll talk shit about Nintendo, but every single mainline Mario game is great, and same goes for most of their stuff. When people say a Zelda game is shit, they mean compared to other Zeldas. Even the bad ones are better than most other games. Third party franchises go to shit much more often and much more quickly than first party franchises, or even simply exclusive franchises.

>With piracy, you own everything in due time, for free.

The question is how much time.

>>15160713

I do know that. It's my whole argument. The devs can focus on particular hardware to make a better game using that hardware. I'm not defending modern consoles or modern vidya in general, but to attack the concept of them is ridiculous.

Also arcades were shit by the '90s. I know I'll get fags attacking me for that one, but the marginally better hardware wasn't good enough to take me away from all the great games I could already play at home. I'd bet I'd think the same if I was playing games in the late '80s, but I am actually too underage for that.

>>15160725

P&C's were the predecessors or modern walking sims, where plenty of games were just about the "narrative" rather than actually good gameplay. I've enjoyed a couple but I remember my couple friends who only had computer games trying to pretend these games were as good as real video games, and I always felt bad for them.

All you're doing is comparing genres, really. I'll take my platformers over everything. So enjoy your RTS games or whatever, I can respect that, but don't try to pretend Super Mario is actually a bad game.

And again, while PC had some notable games, the number is much smaller. Probably related to the much smaller audience at the time, as well as the things you said.

>>15160753

I started in the early '90s, but played a lot of Atari and NES as well. Also, misspelling Atari as "Atary" while trying to talk about video game history really doesn't do much for your credibility.

>>15160786

Go ahead and keep trying to argue things like Mario, Sonic, and Crash weren't the best. I'm not even arguing for a specific console. Just pointing out that those first/second party exclusives resulted in most of the best games ever.

>>15160776

But those games, the modern ones on the PS4 I mean, are shit too.

PCfags are the type of people who pretend video games didn't take a strong downturn post-2007.

>>15160802

>Consolecuckery is all I have ever known

Keep digging cuckchan retard

>>15160776

>I like how you say that while playing 300 Ultima and Wizardry clones on your Bloodbornebox.

Yeah, I'm happy the Japanese have kept a legacy alive while the West has abandoned it. Goes to show who the superior developers really are. Never forgetting roots.

>>15160753

I started in the 90s too - my first game being Doom, but I've been playing a lot of Coleco lately. I've had the fortune of playing a lot of old systems, more obscure ones too. Atari doesn't have a lot of great games but there's a few I enjoyed like Wabbit, Hero, and there's one more I can't remember right now - involves breaking a column in the middle of the playing field, shooting panels of color at correct time, it's really fun and challenging. I've played odd ones like the Bally Arcade, and the Vectrex is one of a kind. Really, if you've never seen how smooth and responsive a Vectrex feels, or used a properly maintained Atari paddle controller, you're missing out on one-of-a-kind experiences. Some other good Coleco games are Venture and Quest for Quintana Roo.

>>15160815

Sega made the best games, fortunately they had 3 fantastic consoles for them.

>>15160815

Keep cherrypicking. I never claimed there were no good games on PC or arcades. I claimed the numbers of good games weren't comparable. Daytona is great and impressive, but I'd rather stay home and play Mario Kart or F-Zero as much as I want without having to spend quarters or change out of my pajamas. And don't get me wrong, I was blown the fuck away by 3D graphics at the time, but a couple years later I had PS and while the graphics still lagged, it wasn't as big a gap again. Maybe Arcades were more worth it for Eurofags in the '80s since I hear they never really had NES over there, but being able to play games at home always made me feel like not spending much money at the arcade, even if the tech was a bit better.

>>15160847

A PC is essential, but only one that can run games from the mid 2000's and back. Not much that you need to upgrade from since then.

>while computers have stayed relatively the same.

that's an outright lie. PC gaming's changed a ton and is the forefront for a low of the worst shit in the industry before being rolled out everywhere else.

>>15160762

>Comparing P&Cs to walking sims

GAS YOURSELF FAGGOT

i'll admit moon logic was fucking cancer but the good ones that actually forced you to think rationally (or somehow managed to get you to think in the logic of the game setting itself) in orther to solve puzzles were as much a game as any plataformer or shooter out there with the only diference that since it was inteligence and not reaction time that was being tested, there was no need to for a death mechanic like a lives sistem or anything like dat (Sierra can go fuck itself with it's cheap deaths)

>don't try to pretend Super Mario is actually a bad game

i don't, it's a fucking masterpice, but simplicity is part of it's genious, compare the controls of Mario to the controls of Edward Carnby for example, Mario was much more simple and easyer to pick up and play, Alone in the Dark you had to toy a little bit with the control before you got the hand of it

>misspelling Atari as "Atary"

what the fuck do i care about misspelling the name of a dead brand i personally never got experience or even care for

being aware that AtarIIIII once existed was all i knew about them back then, and i had also seen a couple of screenshots of their games on old magazines but to the young me they were like fosils in a museum, nothing i would even bother to care for at the time

besides latching onto spelling mistakes is for faggots with no arguments, you clearly aren't one so don't act like one

>>15160820

you sure know how to sell the Atari experience anon, but saddly that ship has sailed for me, i don't live in a place where you could find an Atari, much less one in working condition

>>15160847

>retards pretending like a computer isn't the best platform to own today

Do these people really exist? have they seen this year's E3? consoles are fucking cancer, there are probably 2 games at most that i want to play from consoles and they will sooner or later end on PC, a little bit of patience is all it takes to avoid paying for the DRM box

even more now a days when consoles have gotten PCfied, back in the PS1&2 days i just put the disk in and played, now i have to install it, download the software updates, wait for the damn machine to reboot, then there's the online shit i don't give a fuck about for my single player games… if playing on consoles is as anoying as playing on PCs i choose PCs any day, even more today whern hardware is so standarized that instal requirements are no longer an issue

>>15160867

I'm just saying, if you do get the chance to experience it, or are curious for some good games to try, there are things before the NES that are totally worth giving a try. The games are fun and arcadey but can definitely played for a long time. Oh and also Kaboom is a great one. Many of these games saw adaptation in other forms, but playing the originals with their intended controller is something else. Except the Atari joy stick, it kinda sucks. Strongly recommend the Genesis pad over it.

>>15148585

>Pre-ordering anything

You deserved it.

>>15160880

Adventure, Tetris and Breakout are literakly the only games you will ever need for the 2600.

>>15160902

>Sega was best on the arcade

nope

>It's why Dreamcast had the best collection.

Dreamcast had the least games compared to the Saturn and Genesis/MD

>>15160915

nobody needs games, but there's plenty to enjoy from the time.

>>15160902

>All the exclusives games

ah yes, sorry I forgot about indie pixelshit platformer and total war and a grand strategy game or two.

> all the console ports

these days getting a better-than-consoles port is a mixed bag. Lots of them are flat out shit, and since the dominant distribution on platform doesn't let you own games, it's a hard sell. No thanks Mr. Huang.

>>15160997

>Yes, most of their arcade games were top tier

yep, their console games were even better

> the console versions

>basing their consoles off their ports and not their games

starting to see your problem here

>And simulators, and games like Overload, Redout, Divinity OS, Devil Daggers, Darkest Dungeon, Planet Coaster and so on.

the autism community

>Another underage niglet who does not know what a bad port is

you're 22, right? You're younger than me, quit acting so insecure about your age.

>the original Silent Hill 2 PC port.

why would I play one of the worst versions of the game? That's just stupid. I get that it's all you have but I happily play on my consoles, old ones with back up loading and it's just fantastic. Don't have to settle for bad ports or mods that restore 80% of the experience either. I get the full, 100%, intended experience.

>Pirating games and burning them into a personal storage is too much for the consolefag brain to handle it seems.

Haven't I told you before? Burned discs aren't a good way of storing data long term. Even "good" discs aren't ideal. And with games getting bigger and bigger, that's a lot of DVDs you'll need. Very ineffective. You can pretend I didn't say that again, however.

>Let's pretend like the copy protected license locked to a single hardware configuration is any better when you can't even use it on better hardware in half a decade.

I get what I bought, you act like you're telling me something new. Look, why do consoles make you so mad? Every time you pop up you don't just project, you utterly blast this aura of insecurity and anger over consoles. It's pretty pathetic.

>>15161021

Why does it matter that they're stored on DVDs? Put them on a few hard drives with in a RAID configuration and they'll last indefinitely.

>>autism community

That does not disqualify the games the other anons have mentioned.

>>15148571

8th gen has sucked donkey dick so far for consoles in general. (Not that the same can't be said about all of gaming for the last several years on average) If anything the soyboy magnet the switch is probably your best bet right now besides obviously PC. And even that is only slowly building up titles since it's still new. Also Microsoft has money to burn so it's not like they'll give a shit about losing the xbone much.

>>15161039

>That does not disqualify the games the other anons have mentioned.

I'm just expressing my disinterest them. Tried plenty, never cared for them. I imagine plenty others don't either. If you want them, get a PC for them.

>>15161077

>Weak, but my shitty rig can run all your Bloodbornebox games better and for free.

have fun with gravity rush 2, it's gonna be considered a classic in a few years.

>Fuck those kids and their high capacity hard drives.

so why bring up burning discs at all as if it's some ownage argument? You're all over the place, constantly shifting goal posts.

>locked hardware PCs with no games.

were you angry at the Mega Drive being a locked hardware x68000?

>thus they do not exist.

>reaching this desperately

>>15152340

>If they lose their OS/Server dominance, then that guts the core of their company.

With this in mind you'd expect them to actually make their core product as uncontroversial as possible with a high degree of quality. Instead they shat out Windows 8 and 10 which is are so fucking dodgy that I'm still clinging onto Windows 7 as long as I can and considering alternative options for an OS.

>>15161156

>>What are blurays?

insanely expensive to burn. You aren't thinking these arguments through very well.

>Yeah, pretty

we both know you weren't born yet.

>to get good or even play them at all.

doesn't make sense to subject myself I have no interest in. You who have no interest in consoles sure spend a lot of time posting in threads about them. Sounds like someone needs to justify their purchase a little desperately.

>>15161091

Why Gravity Rush? The game is fine without the gyro controls.

>I'm just expressing my disinterest them. Tried plenty, never cared for them. I imagine plenty others don't either. If you want them, get a PC for them.

You tout first party games as a strong reason for consoles, but are quick to dismiss strong games for PCs, that's hypocritical.

>>15161173

>Why Gravity Rush?

Because he can supposedly run it better than a PS4 can.

>but are quick to dismiss strong games for PCs, that's hypocritical.

Yeah, because I don't care about them. A lot of those first party console games I quite like, so I'm going to mention them. I don't really care for games that are about as engaging as my operating system. I've tried a few, Hearts of Iron, Vicky 2, ck2, I enjoy the occasional sim game like theme hospital or even the sims, sim city 3k, and even some strategy ones like Majesty, but these aren't exactly cutting edge games. If you like them, go play them. I'm not gonna stop you. I'm not gonna recommend them either, they're a fairly niche genre that has had most of its existence focused on PC versions - except Koei games like nobunaga's ambition, and chances are if you're interested in them, you already know them and play them. It seems to be very hard for Mr. Zard to realize that I don't care about consoles, I care about games, ownership, and getting a good experience. If the console version doesn't provide what I want? I look elsewhere. If it does? Cool, I'm happy with it. Despite all the rumors, I'm not a fanboy, I'm just opposition for fanatics.

>>15161193

PS4 can't run it very well either. 30 FPS and the textures often don't fully render when you enter new areas and move quickly. Even the 30 FPS isn't stable since you get framerate drops in battles with lots of enemies.

>>15161206

>GR2

>Sony's mistreatment of it

Fuck me it still hurts.

If anyone was interested in trying the games out, don't fucking support Sony. Not that you should have been doing so for years now.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9a63220360657c00332851dcdde012293bf8f268&dn=Gravity+Rush+2+%28USA%29&tr=retracker.local/announce

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e5b93f71432edd8d06e9995e0eeafa3e75a7169f&dn=Gravity+Rush+2+%28EUR%29&tr=retracker.local/announce

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:817420d3af178e7fade8fccd95b761eb0539bb8c&dn=Gravity+Rush+Remastered+%28EUR%29&tr=retracker.local/announce

>>15161235

Thank's bruv

Archived

Sage for double post

>>15161193

>consoles

>ownership

Why do you keep making this point? Both PC and consoles have the same parity in ownership because of cracking/piracy/emulation/etc.

>>15161235

Yes, it's got streaming issues, but it's still a wonderful experience.

>>15161206

Which BD-R's and spindles have you been seeing for 30 dollars?

>You're really bad at math

was always my weak point, fortunately I'm not paid to crunch numbers, just fix things.

>>15161226

>Why would you ever defend a modern console then?

Because PC doesn't have it

>Gametard

do I have to post the archive of you defending a guy with 6000 steam games and 1% played that totally isn't you?

>>15161240

>Both PC and consoles have the same parity in ownership because of cracking/piracy/emulation/etc.

Piracy doesn't matter in the industry, I like to support projects that I want to see succeed and also enjoy owning physical copies of them, as they cannot be invalidated. GOG is an option but too few games get released there, and the lack of physical copies is always a negative.

>>15161240

It's all he has to pretend like buying software and supporting companies is actually worth it.

>>15161238

I really should have just posted the entire PS4 pkg dump. Here's the mega link to it. Standard share thread rules.

%ePggBAqT%4z82dZPJxO4LIeFb6o-l-xjt6FbSJIrC2Nrsc0A7K20

Password:

Vita was better

>>15161246

>GR

I do like quite like the games, even inspite of their flaws.

>Piracy doesn't matter in the industry, I like to support projects that I want to see succeed and also enjoy owning physical copies of them, as they cannot be invalidated.

You can still support the developers/projects/games that you want to support and crack your games for indefinite ownership that also can't be invalidated. So again my point still stands PC and consoles have the same parity in ownership.

Impotent corporate shill mod can't silence people.

>>15156658

Consoles are still DRM machines, shill.

>>15156817

All console games come to PC via emulation, inevitably. There is not a single reason to buy a console.

>>15156929

All DRM on PCs can (and are/will) be cracked and the games made available and bypassing the DRM.

>>15158032

Never feel bad for any corporation. It is ok to steal from corporations.

>>15159884

It is better this way. If left alive, the companies responsible for them would just make worse and worse games, until the franchises become shit.

>>15160051

With piracy, you own everything in due time, for free.

>>15161246

Supporting the industry that is actively against it's own customers is pure stupidity. But go on. You pay money to (((support))) them, we get everything from them for free.

>>15161255

>So again my point still stands PC and consoles have the same parity in ownership.

I don't think it does. Having a digital copy that is yours to maintain but has layers of abstraction to its preservation hurts it here. Having a direct copy available on a disc or game card/cartridge of some type is less abstracted and provides a direct state of control over it. I pirate plenty and have my share of roms, isos and other back ups, but owning a game like Ace of Seafood vs buying a copy on playism or playing my old comiket release is a different story entirely.

>>15161266

I still got to disagree. Like I said in an earlier post, once you have RAID setup or similar then preservation, multiple back ups, and contingencies against decay/corruption becomes very easy and passive to maintain.

>physical ownership

If you prefer physical ownership because it ensures your ownership will not be invalidated then it's about physical vs digital and not about console vs PC. Because regardless of whether it's a PC (an actual physical copy and not just a disc with a steam key) or console game, if you have a physical copy then it's yours. If it's digital then regardless of the fact if it's console or PC game the steps are the same for ensuring your ownership: crack it, and then burn it into your preferred optical disc. Though console physical has the convenience edge in this regard since PC physcals have a very high chance of just containing a key.

I assume Forza Horizon 4 on PC is going to be dumpster fire like FH3 was, because if Forza is better on PC, there will be no reason to own an Xbone, ever.

wOw

Mods on >>>/v/ banned TOR for this post?!? >>15161264

What are you 9?

>>15161315

>ClipboardImage

nice Windows Paint you have there.

not the other anons, でも、nip devs strictly used Windows XP[1] & 7 when developing the game:

and they used the same engine for GD2: which means the source code, works on Windows,

and Sony has a devkit for Windows, which means most Sony games can, work, on Windows[2], even if they are *BSD OSes.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_editions#Windows_XP_Embedded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X2

[2]https://www.playstation.com/en-us/develop/

https://web.archive.org/web/20151126034408/https://www.playstation.com/en-us/develop/gdc-2015/academic-program/

>>15161865

Wait so i can play Gravity Rush on Windows? I fucking love those games and always try to recommend them to people, which would be a lot easier if I could just link them to a torrent or whatever. Do you have a link?

>>15161865

I put GR in my disc drive and nothing happened.

could you please direct me to the drivers i need to get it working?

>>15162752

The remaster of the first one is on PSNow

>>15162784

>seriously recommending a streaming service

pff

>>15160847

My Wii that I got as a gift after my normalfag parents got bored with Wii Sports can run practically every Nintendo game up to the DS and Wii U, plus of course plenty of others.

PC is best for emulation but when people say "PC Master Race" they don't mean that it's easy to play old good console games. They're the types of fags on Steam or otherwise giving a shit about new garbage memegames.

Also computers got significantly worse because Steam gained a practical monopoly on distribution and eliminated physical copies. Plus general trends in games got worse. Because that's what it's about, the actual games. PC and Steam popularized shit trends for normalfags like indieshit walking simulators, faux-retro pixelshit, the death of local multiplayer, games that are 100% online only, games that only have a token single player mode, games that exist only as an excuse to socialize with your normalfag friends online, subscriptions, DLC, and shit genres like whatever you fags call terrible RPGs with shit gameplay like Elder Scrolls.

>>15160867

A good puzzle is fun, including in a P&C, but it's easy to trace a line from there to the modern walking sim, because so many P&Cs over time gave less of a shit about puzzles and only cared about their narrative.

Atari games are arcade games you could take home. Graphics weren't as good, but plenty of times the gameplay was. Now we have better versions of most of the classic games, but even in the '90s I still had fun breaking out Centipede or Space Invaders with my friends and seeing who could get the highest score. They're not the types of games you play all day but they're still fun.

>>15160902

>copy protected license

You mean steam? Or you're still trying to pretend physical copies are licenses. Nobody was arguing against piracy here so stop pretending that. It's the only reason to bother with playing on Windows, but that advantaged is strongly nullified by the lack of good modern games.

Lack of backwards compatibility in new consoles is bullshit, I'll give you that. But I do still have my old stuff. Parents got rid of a lot of childhood stuff but I managed to get a lot of it back over the years.

Also, SoulCalibur on Dreamcast was my fucking jam. I had it at my local arcade, too, but only played to show off to friends, and then felt dumb for wasting money when I already owned the game at home and could play it as much as I wanted with tons of extra content in extra modes and such.

>>15161156

>comparing Genesis to Windows 95

More accurate timeframe comparison would be Windows 95 vs PS1. Doom is great and all, but I wouldn't trade those PS1 games for the world. Sure you could play them on Windows years later, but I'm glad I didn't wait.

>Exactly what you do every single time you pretend like entire genres don't exist because you're to much of a consolecuck casual to get good or even play them at all.

A good point has been raised that if you're into some niche genres, PC might have been your place to be at the time. But again, they're niche genres. I enjoy RTS (though I don't get autistic for it), and there are some P&Cs that were fun (though some of those were on consoles at the time as well), but I wouldn't trade things like platformers and fighting games that were almost never to be seen on PC.

>>15162784

>paying to stream games so that you can never ever even pretend to own them

>>15162809

>piracy

You don't pay

>buying physical

You actually own the game

>renting physical

You have to bring it back but at least you get to enjoy the full thing for a little while

>digital

Can be taken away from you at any time and you don't get to even look at extras like the manual. But rentals frequently didn't come with manuals either so we can at least say it's like that

>streaming

>pay to have someone else put the game in their system and let you control it over the internet as long as they allow you

Streaming is the ultimate cuckoldry.

>>15162829

nope, and it't still not GR2 you dumb fuck

>>15162830

I forgot about redbox, other than that physical rentals are pretty much dead right?

>>15162836

>I forgot about redbox, other than that physical rentals are pretty much dead right?

Yes.

Really the best part about physical rentals was going to the store and getting to look at the selection in person. It was an event in itself. I never got the appeal of Redbox. At that point I'll just pirate it.

>>15162848

What is that picture even meant to be. Make an actual effort.

>>15149651

>>15148626

>kinect

>potential

anon, it's a fucking webcam with IR vision and face recognition, thats literally it. similar things have been done in the past with games and they didn't catch on. there is no way for it to perceive depth so your input and game design options are way more limited than with a controller

>>15162912

Definitely not the policies but going there on a friday, picking out a game and a movie for the weekend, maybe getting a snack or two, that's what I miss.

>>15162898

>NBA Live '98

Were niggers still looking for new Genesis games in 1998?

>>15162913

>there is no way for it to perceive depth

Doesn't it have two cameras? Isn't that the entire reason we have two eyes?

>>15162939

>Were niggers still looking for new Genesis games in 1998?

Considering the huezilla market I'm sure the huenigger there are to this day still looking for Genesis games

>>15162739

>>15162752

I'm saying these games are made in Windows, therefore the source code, and the game, can be deassembled back into Windows.

>>15162776

There was an virtual disk image software you could mount PS3 games, like these guys did:

https://twitter.com/notBaf0/status/1018463291125870592

I'm seeking to reproduce the same results.

>>15166009

Cool. Please tell me when I can play Gravity Rush 2 on Windows. Until then, I'll continue playing what is practically the only good game of the last five years on the system it works on.

>>15166046

I'm making developments on identifying the modder: >>15166063

Notice they are using RPCS3 to hack PS3 ISOs, and only recently was the PS4 hacked:

http://wololo.net/2018/02/15/can-hacked-ps4-4-05-far/

>>15166059

Honestly, the game is that good to justify it's own purchase, not the Hardware/Console. I prefer playing on my PSV when I have the chance, but GD2 didn't come for that system.

I for one have always called Sony Jews, forever, since FreeBSD 4.

>>15166235

Make 2D real

Most xbone exclusives that went to other consoles and pc did so as GOTY/full releases too, why buy rise of the pozz raider on xbone for 30+spend 100 on the dlc when you can grab it for 25 on ps4 with everything included and a neat artbook.

>>15166258

Why get it at all?

:^)

>>15166202

One game:

スーパーモンキーボール2

Nuff said

>>15166366

Super Monkey Ball is indeed top tier and I miss 6th Gen very much.

>>15166376

>They're all shit

Yep, literally no point in owning one anymore.

>>15166524

Oh, of course look at all these reasons to buy any console in the current year!

1. Bloodborne

>>15148571

id bet that people were more weirded out by the illuminati spying shit than the drm. or did they actually incorporate the meatbag detector into the drm?

>>15166939

>funny hones

What the fuck? I meant funny ones.

>>15166912

>Literally no reason to buy a current year home console.

Still a lot more reasons than to buy a high-end gayming PC at least. Modern consoles have some nasty shit in some parts (paid online for instance but this hardly concern me since I barely play online these days) but they're still worth especially if you get them used/on sale.

>Can you stop ID hopping now?

Imagine being this fucking stupid that you have to believe that all the opinions that dont match yours, are all from the same person

>>15148571

It was dead before it was born, they fucked up the first impression with all that:

>TV? TVbawx wantsumTV? TV nigger whoo, TV yeah?!

and spying shit that they barfed up on its release, they never recovered, never will and rightly so, anything they do from now until it is dead is a waste of effort.

>>15160093

>samefagging on 3 different IDs

You underestimate the amount of consolefags there are anon.

>>15167021

>But I never argued that you should buy a high end. And there isn't any reason to buy a modern home console over any computer nowadays.

Cheaper alternative that let you play the sole worth games of this decade

>they're simply not worth wasting your time with outside extremely few releases that won't last you a year.

There are still a good amount of worthy japanese releases (Nioh, RGG, Super Robot Wars, EDF, Compile Heart, Falcom, etc) on the Playstation side without having to worry about the various issues of the eventual "leftovers" ports on PC.

Again still a better choice to have a PS4 than a current gayming PC. You cannot argue this, except resorting to muh cuckchan meme.

>>15167039

Maybe when most Japanese games didn't make their way on to PC and they all had difderent architectures like lat gen you might had a point despite that gen being garbage as well.

But not anymore, we're not comparing apples to oranges any longer as most games get PC releases and all architectues and peripherals are all pretty much the same and with Sony is directly competing with PC.

>>15161310

> if you have a physical copy then it's yours.

Its not, read EULA. Your ownership can be revoked and then you are not owning but pirating. Pirating =/= ownership.

>>15167150

Not my pic, but thanks

Unless Microsoft somehow manages to churn out some SERIOUS exclusives and PS5 does a $599 next gen I don't see them ever beating Sony.

>>15167159

>If I personally have a physical copy I fucking OWN that copy.

Ownership is legal concept. If contract says you don't own thing then you don't. What are talking about is that physical copies makes pirating easier.

>>15167192

>2018

>exclusives

Outdated concept.

>>15152262

They also cancelled Scalebound within one year of announcing it. They did that with a lot of their big E3 first party showcase games.

>>15167039

What's it like being retarded? Do you have to work, or does the government pay you to sit in your own filth and pretend to be knowledgeable about things?

>>15167221

Now imagine doing this in countless other threads

>>15167021

>he's at (46) now

god damn I'm missing out some fun here.

>>15168458

>(32)

>>15168463

You're forgetting to to count all my other IDs you paranoid schizo fuck :^)

>>15168476

>(48)

>>15167159

You own the thing the software is on, not the software itself. You're not living in some wonderful timeline where you can have your cake and eat it too, anon.

>>15166059

It's not like there have been many good games in the last five years. I could count them on one hand, and half of those I'd say are still only okay but not great.

>>15166202

It's about the flying and movement. There's no platforming to speak of, and the combat is again just about flying around and hitting multiple enemies quickly, rather than doing combos and stuff.

ICO is a boring as fuck walking simulator with practically no puzzles and shit combat and nothing else to the entire game. You just have shit taste. That entire series has horrible movement and gameplay and nothing even worth doing. The concept of Shadow of the Colossus is interesting, but the execution is horrible. Also, notice I'm not defending these games despite being Japanese PS exclusives.

>>15166396

>Yep, literally no point in owning one anymore.

No point in owning a PC good enough to run modern games either. Any toaster can run anything from the 20th century, and there was only one gen of good games past that.

>>15167021

Try attacking actual arguments instead of being a redditfag who gives a shit about who is speaking the arguments. Especially when you have to go through such hoops to try to imply all the counterarguments are from the same guy, which of course wouldn't invalidate the things being said even if they were.

>>15167082

>You can call the ports whatever you like, what matters is that they're pretty good and that I can run them better than the console counterparts,

Except for all the times PCfags call a game bad just because the WIndows port is bad

>even emulation runs current year games better consoles nowadays.

PS4, Xbone, and Switch emulators are actually run games better than the native hardware? Got any links? That sounds cool.

>>15167101

>Maybe when most Japanese games didn't make their way on to PC

Nearly all the best games of all time have been first or second party exclusives. Still the case, except the total number of good games has gone down significantly, so the number of those that are exclusives have also gone down, even though it's still around the same percentage. Just at this point it's low enough to make one not buy any modern hardware.

>>15167109

In addition to the idea of Yuji Naka coming to my house and taking away my copy of Sonic & Knuckles being hilarious, no court in the world would rule that I don't actually own that cartridge and the contents therein, regardless of whatever fine print was in the manual.

>>15148571

>How did Microsoft mismanage the Xbox One this badly?

By being shit company.

It is not that they mismanaged Xbox they are continually mismanaging everything.

They kept their mobile OS paid operating system effectively making sure manufacturers choose android over them.They had majority of phone market but fucking failed from position it should be impossible to fall when we are talking about OSs. I will just techquickie for more info on that.

Entire Win10 was a fiasco. It is OS that failed to gained lead over Win7 even through it was fucking free. It lost as free update. They made nu-system without realizing people really fucking hate the entire connectivity and relevant stuff. People want clarity and usefulness and spying forced updates does neither. Of course you can be transparent and give people options but they did neither. Instead they gave people ads in start menu.

The fucking worst part of it is their gaming division. They forced entire thing to fix the giant fuck up that was windows 10. Just look at directx12 exclusive games and you will Microsoft Studios everywhere. All of their franchises will be dead or on live support in 5 years. We will also see every game released by them flop because you cannot do AAA shit and release for less than 50% of market. Windows store just helps in the idiocracy. Not only by the fact nobody wants app store for PCs but multiple other flaws it has.

There were 2 Zoo Tycoon titles released and I fucking missed them because they were made just to push windows store. Now I don't even want to pirate them because I assume they are shit with 0 traction they have gotten and it was one of the top tycoon franchises.

They failed all gaming,console,PC and mobile. This company should have failed worse than OUYA and Cliff new one billion dollar franchise. Problem is they are too large so we will have to wait to see them go bankrupt or actually release good products again, same for google.

>>15168880

>>Liking ICO and SoTC is shit taste

>>While praising Gravity Bum which is 10 times more boring

>walking from the start to the end in practically a straight line in ICO is less boring than flying around and exploring while fighting monsters in Gravity Rush

>Then why do you own a PS4 bubba? I thought modern games were shit.

It was a gift. Wouldn't have bought it on my own. But I feel less bad because also they bought it used for cheap.

>>Provides no argument

The entire rest of the post, dummy.

>I also like how you pretend you're not samefagging while popping up at the same time as the other autist and replying to all the replies I made to him.

It's probably a lot more than two people that disagree with you too. Not that it would matter. As far as I know there's only one other person on this site aside from me. But it's the ideas that matter. If I wanted to talk about identities I'd go to Reddit or whatever other normalfag sites people make accounts on nowadays.

>When did that ever happen?

Sonic Mania, for example.

>Persona 5 on RPCS3 runs better than the PS4 version and Zelda on CEMU runs better than the Switch version.

Interesting. Though last I saw, CEMU was pretty much shit for running anything other than Zelda.

>Repeating yourself won't make it any more true, you're running in circles at this point moishe.

Repeating myself because it's still true.

>>15168914

>Sonic Mania, for example.

nier automata too.

>Interesting. Though last I saw, CEMU was pretty much shit for running anything other than Zelda.

[shader cache compiling intensifies]

>>15169017

>Except it never had any port issues?

yes it did

>implying pcfats don't sperg out with lines like denuvo=shit game all the time

historical revisionism at its finest

>>15166524

>>15166983

>>15167039

No point in buying consoles. All consoles are DRM, and all consoles are shit. Get games for free. Wait for the inevitable piracy and emulation. Also, stop ID hopping, Soyny numale.

>>15166242

well some day (hopefully soon) your monitor will be replaced with a holographic projector that you can interact with using your hands

>>15169267

well maybe we'll eventually get Star Trek-style holodecks that'll be as close to real as it's really possible to get

>>15148660

the ps3 was the most advanced console released, it even outperformed pc's. the only problem was no one could figure out how to code for the thing because sony locked down the system in fear of people hacking it that they wouldn't even allow their devs to see all the code.

kind of makes sense because they sold each console at a loss hoping to make back the money in game sales but at the same time they shot themselves in teh foot not expecting people to say fuck it i'll go to the xbox instead.

>>15148639

fuck off anything with the word "smart" in it you should never trust. and if you promote it to normal fags it will become mainstream.

>>15169267

we were supposed to get hologram tv's by 2017

>>15170390

Cell BE was an early attempt at what is now the AMD APU. It was pretty advanced for its time, but PC offerings quickly caught up.

The common complains about the PS3 was the difficulty to program the Cell BE, but that's just half of the story. The real story is that you need a very competent computer engineer to squeeze every last performance out of the chip. The type of programmers that can easily make a decent living out of working somewhere else other than the video game industry.

Many western devs/pubs saw the "disaster" of having to pay for very expensive computer engineers (instead of cheap code monkeys) lambasted what a "disaster" the PS3 is.

On Japan's side, many devs/pubs just stuck to the PSP for a long time until Sony softened up. Others went to xbox360 before going back to PS3. That's why it took very long for the PS3 to start getting Japanese support.

>>15170557

didn't catch up until a year later and even then it wasn't as powerful.

>>15170557

sony ended up pumping a ton of R&D into getting good tools and documentation available, by 2009/2010 they sorted out the PS3 and had, according to most developers working on it at that point, a much better development environment.

>>15170593

and after getting better documentation and toolchains, some studios still have to hire a "PS3 optimization specialist" guy. I remember reading a comment on Slashdot where one guy makes a living just from doing that.

>>15170608

That's not really too big of a surprise.

>>15152262

So you went from one DRM machine to the other.

You guys wanna know the depressing part?

>spent millions of dollars investing in a DRM system that they ended up stripping because of backlash

Normalfags have completely forgotten about this. Like, COMPLETELY. They barely care if you tell them too. They'll probably say some shit like "Wull it's good that they listen to their customers"

>small userbase leads to less people buying it for multiplatform multiplayer games, leading to dead games and a less sales

Microsoft has really pushed for cross-platform play for PC and Switch because of this and it fucking seems to be working. Now Sony is the bad guy because they "don't like cross-platform play" when it's obviously Microsoft shutting them out.

It's far from over for the Xbone. The Xbone could very well ride the Switch's coattails into financial success at this point.

>>15176284

Which game is pic from? Your post makes sense btw. Even if you didn't like those games, you could still get fucking Daytona USA on XBox Live or PSN

>>15176584

Looks like one of the Tokyo Xtreme Racer games, either the PSP one, or early PS2.

>>15176788

it looks like your mother, if ya know what im sayin

>>15176558

Here's the problem with that

>Work for the worlds largest MSP

>Many clients already on 10

>Government clients on 7/8.1/10 and slowly moving to 10 overall

>Office 365 is used widely

The only issue is Azure is not rated for anything higher than unclassified so most shit is still on premise for anything government.

>>15169017

>Sure it was, how convenient

You realize that PS4 came out like four years ago right? You can get them cheap now.

>just bitching about the same retarded nigger

>everyone I disagree with is one person

>The only issue was Denuvo and that has been cracked for years

You need a new crack for every Denuvo game. Do you even own a computer?

Want another example? Arkham Knight. People go on and on about how it's shit, when really it's very similar to the others except the Windows port is shit.

>>15184262

>PSV… when?

You mean the playstation vita?

>>15148571

>how did the creators of Windows make [insert anything else bad]

It is a mystery.

>>15148660

>but they did manage to fuck up the controller so hard that they had to release a new version.

The controller s was complete shit for tiny faggots. The Duke just needed a better D-pad, flat face buttons, and bumpers instead of black and white buttons.

Microsoft should take the money they'd spend on Crackdown/Halo/Gears/whatever for a year and try to get as many exclusive pixelshit sequels as possible, especially platformers and JRPGs. Look at Octopath Traveler, the NES mini and the SNES mini. Huge market only being served every few years.

I have friends on xbox, the controller is great, the socialization aspects of it make it great, so I'm sticking with it

>>15192111

How dare you steal trips for such a nefarious post

>>15192111

So, it is confirmed to be shit then.

bumping so i can cap some posts later

it's also kind relevant given the announcement in >>15196724

>>15148585

>tfw you pre-ordered an xbone

>kill me

No, you live with that shame. And it's not even in regards to it just being the fucking xbone. There is zero sense to preordering a system unless you plan to just hock it. You bought a system when there's only launch titles (that wouldn't have even been out yet) and a promise of more worthwhile games to come down the line. Why the FUCK would you not wait until the system's out, if not wait until years down the line to see just what the library looks like and if it warrants picking the system up at then-lower prices?