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Why do they call it Complex Doom?

>huehuehue u now fight TWO archvile with pestol

Reposting in hte actual thread.

Anyone would know how to swap between two finaldoomer weaponset midWAD?

Already tried a few things that came to mind and it either doesn't do anything or it crashes GZDOOM (switching playerclass then suicide exiting the level).

>>15143911

Have you tried restarting your PC?

>>15143911

Try running it in GZDoom (or ZDoom if you already did it vice versa)

>>15144277

I get the same error in Zdoom and Zandronum. I've tried dragging and dropping and using ZDL.

>>15143911

Try updating GZDoom, if you're using that.

>>15146064

weird, using the 32-bit version fixed the issue. With all the fuss they made about not wanting to support old hardware/software, they sure do a terrible job at supporting the modern stuff.

>>15143877

The only way is to restart the game and change the map, then either endure the pistol start or use the "give" console command to give yourself weapons you already picked up.

>>15146154

Well that sucks, guess I'm playing compendium with a single weapon set then.

>>15146147

GZDoom has a poor track record for AMD cards specifically.

>>15147034

I'd expect worse performance, but not some oddly specific audio bug present only in the 64 bit windows build.

>>15142770

Does that mean only for retro graphics cards like this?

>>15144382

Then you probably need to use GZDoom. ZDoom is dead and Zandronum doesn't consistently push the new features into it.

>>15146147

There was an issue where they were distributing outdated dependencies in the releases recently. Perhaps try redownloading it for 64-bit and seeing if that was why the 32-bit version is OK.

>>15147034

Correction: AMD cards have a poor track record for drivers.

Alright lads, I need advice. I convinced bullied someone into playing Doom with me via zandronum. We're going to hopefully play some different games and mods, and he's interesting in the Aliens mod(s) for doom. For those of you who aren't sure, there's actually about four of the fucking things.

>Aliens TC

First mod ever(?) for Doom that recreates Aliens. Not this one.

>Aliens Ultimate Doom

I want this one but I'm struggling to get it working properly and I want to confirm with you guys before I write it off. When you cut an alien in half with this one they sometimes crawl after you like AvP98. In multiplayer when I join the server to test it works, they don't crawl, they stay stationary and do nothing but register as an object to collide into. I'm doing online via Zandronum and can't seem to get them (or acid blood hurting) to work. GZ doom didn't give anything either for multiplayer but considering my understanding Zandronum is a continued fork that isn't a shock.

>Aliens Ultimate Doom Special Edition

Ditches all the alien types, seems to use the sprites from the TC. Also works in sprites and the hud from Alien Trilogy. Because the TC don't do the 'drag after you' thing, they don't let you get stuck on them so I think this is probably my best bet. Acid blood still isn't hurting though. Plus it's using music I don't recognise (I'm guessing a rip of an old aliens game) and it's not very good. Nothing a quick unzip can't cure ofc but still.

>Alien Trilogy Ultimate Doom

Ultimate doom version but the AT sprites/sounds. Not the music annoyingly.

Upshot is, looks like it's the Aliens Ultimate Doom (SE) one for us unless you know something I don't and since he's never done Doom before I'm thinking I'll have him do Doom The Way ID Did It and try to get him to vanilla it through later. Just in case though, I'm not sure about the other megawads in the list since it sounds like some of them have custom content. (If you've never done them before, the aliens mods swap and randomize existing assets).

Got any recommendations for map packs that are vanilla as possible?

>>15147194

Been playing it so far and its bretty fun. I'm waiting till I finish before I update the copy pasta to full shilling of it.

>>15152390

oops, how'd that golden souls screen get in there?

>>15152546

Only after golden souls.

>>15152569

Did Golden Souls ever fix its bullet sponge problem?

>>15152613

lol i dunno i'm too shit at videogaems anymore so i had to play it on babbymode on both.

platformers even moreso

>>15152613

>Did Golden Souls ever fix its bullet sponge problem?

Wait, the enemies being that fucking tough isn't exclusive to the highest difficulty?

>Golden Souls 2

>fight at most half a dozen enemies at once

>spend more time reloading than shooting

>tons of opportunies to explore with platforming but the only things of note are invisible walls

>level design is rudimentary, mostly jumping on moving platforms and backtracking

>fucking trash garbage GZDoom can't render lighting + fog on a game from 1993 without dropping below 60fps

Does this get better later? Because right now it's just making me wish I was playing Quake.

>>15152792

what map are you even on lad

>>15152802

Just beat map07

Whoever designed the Deep One boss fight in GS2 needs to shove a star cannon up their ass.

>>15152546

Haven't seen this before, is it any good?

>>15152835

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>>15153322

That art style is horrible.

how to make a barrel do freeze damagetype?

>>15146147

GZDoom is made by a retarded hack fraud. Graf Zahl is an asshole.

>frountend

I ment to say source port

>>15154308

yeah i have a bunch of minor complaints so far but nothing drastic that couldn't be alleviated by not being shit at platformers

Marathon Franchise Download https://alephone.lhowon.org/

This was posted in the E.Y.E. thread and I thought that it also belonged here.

>>15154427

Hasn't the project moved to GitGud?

>>15154474

yes, it has been like for that for a while but I still update the mega link from time to time as I see it fit i.e enough edits has been made to it.

>>15154518

And I decided to continue working on it because I find it a shame that such a mod gets abandoned since there is nothing anything close to it, but whatever floats your boat m8 I don't want to "start a fight" over this.

>>15154518

>claims to be original author

>while hes not

lmao smh tbh fam

there were literally only 2 anons working on it after v1.0 release because no one can keep their modding attention span in here for longer than 2 weeks

>>15152613

The first game wasn't too bad once you powered through the first few maps, but this sequel is just awful.

>hell knight every two rooms

>cacodemons, mancubi and those invisible wizards from GS1 in every remotely open space

>minimum three barons per map

>new imp variant that can revive other monsters of its kind, usually spawns in huge groups too

>new skeleton enemy, which has roughly the same health and attacks as a hell knight but self-revives if you don't use rockets or plasma

>so many fucking skeletons

>revenants now have a new extra bullshit variant that takes two laser hits, but also have an attack that deals 50+ damage if you aren't circlestrafing at full speed

>remember those annoying ghosts from GS1? GS2 has an entire region of nothing but ghost houses (and it sucks just as much as it did in SMW)

>remember how GS1 had some decent boss battles? fuck you, now they're all baron variants in a tiny square arena

>also every level is 20 minutes long with 200+ enemies because fuck you

It doesn't help that the weapon balance is totally fucked:

>shotguns now have a five foot range and spend more time reloading than shooting; repeating shotgun is actually slower than the starting double-barrel if firing more than five shells consecutively

>assault rifle now deals shit damage unless upgraded, in which case it burns through ammo at an absurd rate

>rockets now oscillate side to side, making them impossible to use if you're anywhere near a wall because fuck you

>stake gun, a weapon that actually took some skill to use effectively but had a crazy high DPS in skilled hands, is replaced with a shitty plasma gun reskin

>laser now has so little ammo that you're basically forced to reserve it solely for revenants

And I'm not even getting into how shit the level design is.

>>15154829

Did you select the hardest difficulty or something? I'm on World 5 of normal, and nothing is nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

>>15154854

Normal mode, just finished the ice dungeon.

I also forgot to bitch about how much I fucking hate Shyguys.

>make a shitty cannon-fodder enemy to replace imps

>give them a fast-moving projectile that deals 15-20 damage, and the ability to fire said projectile roughly twice per second with no discernible warmup

>make every fifth shyguy a blue or green variant that can deal almost as much DPS as a fucking mancubus

>place them in huge groups, or arrange the map so that every single shyguy in every part of the map can shoot at you simultaneously

>>15154854

He's most likely a CoD kid who is used to "I see you first so I win". Giving enemies more health gives them a fighting chance and results in a far more interesting and challenging duel. Whittling down an Ogres health in Quake while having to dodge its grenades was incredibly satisfying to me for example. If I could just shoot it once to kill it and then move on it would be dull as hell.

>>15155060

>this guy doesn't like twenty maps straight of fighting the same few enemies in the same few scenarios

>lol must be a COD kiddie

>>15152792

>Give Golden Souls 2 a try

>First person platforming in the doom engine

I don't have the patience for this shit.

>>15155025

>Normal mode, just finished the ice dungeon.

Then you either suck or are greatly exaggerating the number and difficulty of enemies. Hell Knights aren't as common as you make them out to be, and they are incredibly easy to deal with. Barons are one of the most basic "elite" enemies of Doom, and are just Knights with more HP. I can only guess the imp variant you're talking about are the mudmen, which are made of glass and like to group up for you to easily mow down. Skeletons go down in one fucking rocket, so I don't know where you're coming from with this whole "as much hp as Knights" deal, and their projectiles are some of the slowest in the game. I haven't seen any revenant variants, yet, so I'm guessing they show up in world 5, at the earliest. The Boo Lost Souls are a non-obstacle, and the forest area has, so far, been the most inventive and fun worlds of the mod. The double-barrled shotgun is just as good as it was in GS1, and the automatic shotgun actually feels useful compared to the GS1 incarnation. The assault rifle kills just as quickly as it did in GS1, and it's main strength is stunlocking, not DPS. You shouldn't be using rockets in close quarters in vanilla Doom, so I don't know what the fuck you're doing using them in close quarters here. The stake gun was the worst and least-fitting weapon in GS1. The star cannon, at least, looks like it could be in a Mario game. If the cupid had more ammo, it would completely trivialize any of the more open areas, like it's predecessor did in GS1.

>>15155140

It's not as bad as it sounds, especially compared to GS1. Doomguy jumps like quadruple his own height, has amazing air control, and most platforming sections give you decent floor space to land on.

>>15155169

Okay, I've played a few levels with the revenant variants, so far, and, yet again, they aren't as bad as claimed. Every encounter with them starts you off with plenty of space and/or cover between them and you.

>>15155169

>Hell Knights aren't as common as you make them out to be

Did we play the same wad? By the time I hit the water levels I'm running into a hell knight, baron or some other tanky enemy that serves the exact same purpose roughly once per minute, and I'm not exactly a fast player.

>and they are incredibly easy to deal with

Difficulty was never a problem, in fact the total lack of difficulty is a big part of the problem. Lone tanks are incredibly tedious and boring to deal with because you can literally just stand there and blast away at them with the assault rifle or plasma gun until they die, and rarely are the tanks in this wad ever supported effectively.

>Barons are one of the most basic "elite" enemies of Doom, and are just Knights with more HP.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. (One would expect that while typing this sentence out, it might dawn upon you that I never once complained that barons were actually difficult, but nope.)

>I can only guess the imp variant you're talking about are the mudmen, which are made of glass and like to group up for you to easily mow down.

Except when one of them wanders away from the pack or starts the resurrection animation before it dies (killing them during the animation does nothing, I've tried plenty of times), in which case the whole swarm resurrects itself inside of five seconds and you have to do this shit all over again until you've managed to kill all of them simultaneously.

>Skeletons go down in one fucking rocket, so I don't know where you're coming from with this whole "as much hp as Knights" deal, and their projectiles are some of the slowest in the game.

They take reduced damage from anything that isn't rockets or plasma, or at least that's what it feels like. The skeletons themselves really aren't that bad of a design, they just bring out a bunch of other problems like the awfulness of the projectile weapons

>The Boo Lost Souls are a non-obstacle

Again, the problem isn't difficulty so much as tedium.

>and the forest area has, so far, been the most inventive and fun worlds of the mod.

It's the same shit as every other area, just with more portals and shittier enemies.

>The double-barrled shotgun is just as good as it was in GS1,

We definitely didn't play the same wad then. GS1's double-barrel might not have been quite as effective up close, but unlike in GS2 it was actually pretty accurate and could engage enemies from outside of their own projectile range.

>and the automatic shotgun actually feels useful compared to the GS1 incarnation.

If that were true then it would actually solve a lot of my complaints, since GS1's auto-shotgun was perfectly suited for killing lone tanks. Instead we get a slightly faster double-barrel with no altfire.

>The assault rifle kills just as quickly as it did in GS1, and it's main strength is stunlocking, not DPS.

GS1's assault rifle certainly felt a lot stronger, it might just be the different enemy distribution making it feel weaker.

>You shouldn't be using rockets in close quarters in vanilla Doom, so I don't know what the fuck you're doing using them in close quarters here.

Learn to read, I never said anything about using them at close range. The problem is that rockets have so much lateral movement that if you try to fire a rocket down a narrow hallway or in the general vicinity of a tree you're as likely to hit the terrain (occasionally killing yourself in the process) as you are to actually hit the target.

>The stake gun was the worst and least-fitting weapon in GS1.

Git gud. If you weren't completely retarded you could often exploit the penetration and reflection to either hit a single enemy repeatedly for massive damage or clear an entire room of weak enemies in a single burst.

>If the cupid had more ammo, it would completely trivialize any of the more open areas, like it's predecessor did in GS1

The laser already has enough ammo to do that. Giving it more ammo would instead allow you to actually use it for things other than trivializing outdoor areas, i.e. killing tough enemies at medium range.

>>15155444

And every encounter ends with you stopping everything to pick off the super-revenant with the laser so you can go back to having fun.

>>15154138

It's not a joke WAD.

>>15154427

Why not just link to their Git repository?

>>15154829

Which version are you playing exactly?

>want to use a specific song for it's beat and shit but it's some foreign lady singing

>there's no lyricless/instrumental version

>converting the video to mp3 than turning it into a midi via an online site makes it become a piano indistinguishable mess from the original

wake me up inside

>>15156944

You'll think I'm shitting you, but you can understand why I wanted to rip the lyrics away; as the underlying tune is nifty to me

Furthermore, there's also aphex twin's song that somebody instrumentalized but stripped out 90% of the song to do so; but would have some use no doubt.

>>15156999

No the lyrics are garbage but the backing track would suitable ambient music with less heavy beats. However it's not so complex that you couldn't easily generate it as tracker music or MIDI by hand either. I mean it's mostly the same melody being repeated over and over.

>>15157015

In the context of the film it's used in, it works, but yes, the lyrics are shit and kind of trash.

>>15157004

>trying to instrumentalize fucking Come to Daddy

Even if you were to try and rebuild that song in MIDI format it would take months, the drums have no consistent BPM or rhythm so you'd have to map out each beat.

>>15157096

Yeah, which is why I'm grateful for what's already there.

>>15157109

Also why most of Cheshyre's songs cannot be midified

>form

from*

quake download is broken

>>15162606

>crash

I've never had doom crash, ever, no matter what mod I'm using including that one. Then again I rarely ever update gzdoom so maybe that has something to do with it.

>>15162661

>Then again I rarely ever update gzdoom so maybe that has something to do with it.

GZDoom did perform worse as the updates rolled in. Is this a common problem? If so, what's the last un-fucked version of GZDoom?

>>15162697

either 1.8 or 2.1 I'd say

>>15162702

The mod isn't compatible with either, fugg.

>>15162606

Not having any particular problem with it on 3.4.1 stable

Apparently AMD's 18.7.1 drivers break sprites in GZDoom's hardware mode. Software mode still works fine though.

>>15158782

>>15154427

I couldn't play all of the original doom in one sitting, but with this I completed it three times in one sitting. 10/10

>>15166896

Why would you want to do this? idgames is the history of WADs, including the 1994 period. Also there's multiple idgames mirrors so it's not even an issue from an archival perspective.

>>15166920

I am just too lazy to download one by one but okay.

I actually did found one idgames archive up to 2013, 11gb big, probably with loads of useless stuff too:

https://archive.org/details/idgames

Is the fucking Fallen Knight even supposed to be beatable on Starman difficulty?

Even with rushing his ass with the most DPS possible right away and saving the explosives for last I just fall short once the fucking arena gets filled with skeleton up to the point where you can't navigate it at all and even with haste potions you can't kill them ast enough not to mention that fucking semi homing attack that's almost instakill and isn't reliable to dodge at all.

Heretic and Hexen are still my favorite Doom clones. Anything for those games?

>>15176184

Hereretical Doom for Heretic, and High Noon Drifter for both.

>>15172396

What even is that rooster? He's literally named after a Muppet character.

>>15176411

That rooster is from a german game called moorhuhn.

>>15167838

You should be aware of this.

>>15176658

Nali and Nali cow starts to dislike you as soon you damage them, even for 1 damage.

>>15176697

I never knew I needed this.

>>15176697

He should increase the projectile velocity and speed up the knife animation. I know on the show some of the firearms shot very slow projectiles, but that was just for dramatic effect so the viewer could see it.

>>15177699

I'm pretty sure he's trying to recreate the Klingon Honor Guard game in the doom engine. The assets are ripped from that game at least.

>>15176747

But I didn't even hit them, I even deliberately went out of my way to use weapons without splash damage. Even if I rescue them and shot the bad guys first they still cower.

wip shit

>>15178010

bery nice. Why is is lagging so bad, though? Or is it only in the vid?

I'd like to see the whole 2 first chapters in this style.

>>15178086

I'm slaving away at it. You guys can contribute if you like, it's pretty lengthy and hard to do now that i'm not allowed to smoke, lmfao kill me.

I think it's just from the recording; it doesn't seem to lag -too- bad on my end. I should of ran it with monsters, though.

>>15178115

Also picking the third map's music is difficult and I don't know if I want multiple secret maps which are basically more like interactive cutscenes (which is why they would not be MAPXX, they're INTERXX

>>15178086

Triple posting is unfunny, but it was originally intended to be a episode 1 replacement (hence LOTX ep1) but i'll see what i can do. Tough stuff.

>>15178010

now with monsters

>>15167838

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>>15178552

Get that commie shit out of my thread, faggots.

>>15178866 (checked)

>Startrek is just commie wolf whistle /tv/ to virtue signal

DAS RITE

for /tv/ to*

>>15178866

>the glorious Klingon Empire

>commie

get a load of this P'tagh

>>15179655

All of that just to spectate 2 idiots muck around a level.

>>15179655

I told people we needed to enforce a wad cycle in the servers or shit like this would happen, but oh no, don't listen to the xenofag

>>15179655

The people who run Complex Doom servers are incredibly autistic and get angered by the slightest things.

>>15180701

Don't they ever.

What we need is a combination Shotgun Frenzy + Internal Conflict + Stronghold + Zdoom Wars kind of thing.

DRPG+RLA is zones better than Broderlens

>>15180905

>babel legend champions

>not colourful hell legend champions

Do colourful hell + legendoom at least.

>>15181104

I can tell from one screenshot this stupid fucking foreigner doesn't know shit about Doom, fucking flat as hell level design. This concept has already been made into a .wad already as well, it's called Rootpain and it's also fucking garbagio.

>>15142770

>no moonman doom

>4chan's own mods

>this little level should give you a quick primer as to the insanity of one of 4chan's nastier containment boards

Are you absolutely certain that chart has really been updated? It's been almost four years now, anon.

>>15181259

vg and vr were mistakes

>>15181268

Not really, considering how fucking garbage cuck/v/ was and continues to be. /vr/ was one of the few good boards on that website.

>>15181290

Was.

>>15181268

Well when their administration that was actively hostile to their userbase was causing them to haemorrhage users, I guess they had to be desperate enough to go for some amount of placating gestures.

>>15181325

And now it's become a hive of scum.

>>15181312

If it had a downfall, that downfall was relatively recent. Honestly, if /vr/ here wasn't dead, I'd be there instead of on this fucking garbage board.

>>15178010

Try using some of the newer weapons from Realm667, your wad could use a shotgun replacement.

>>15181359

Yeah, I'm kind of trying to skirt away from using too many custom assets but I'll see what I can do in terms of shotty replacement that would both work well with the thing and the gist that the player is one of those cybernetic dudes mentioned somewhere in D64

>>15181104

It's just a fucking Doom mod. I don't even understand why you'd write a fucking article on it. Might as well write "Somebody in Argentina drew a picture about abortion".

And again

> A twine choose-your-own-adventure

> A doom mod

> "I'd love for the two games I made to stop being relevant"

You didn't make a game. You made a story and a mod. Making a level in Mario Maker isn't "making a game" either.

>>15181113

Babel is way harder than colorful hell.

>>15181501

The sprite looks pretty well done.

>>15181510

Babel is such a great mod, honestly I think it's so good it should be added to the infographic who am I kidding, nobody's gonna fucking update the infographic

>>15181501

Also, I adore the usage of Cheshyre in your wad. Here's my Madness Interactive-themed doom mod, could use some help but otherwise comfy when played with the right wads.

http://www.filedropper.com/doomint

Oh, and on a side note… Whatever happened to that dilbert3 doom wad? How come nobody's ever made a Postal 1 mod for doom?

>>15181517

I agree.

>>15181549

Why thank you. You guys are a fuckload nicer than half/vr/

I had a madness themed map for Vinesauce Doom contest 2 but I think It didn't qualify.

>>15181561

Postal 1? It's an isometric arcade like game there really isn't anything to use as a basis for assets not even sprites since they have so little detail outside the creepy menu and loading screen imagery. Postal 2 is generally the game people think of when they hear of Postal which is basically complete and utter satire combined with toilet humor.

>>15181717

Your map design on MAP02 looks rather barren as well, try following Romero's guidelines;

>Always changing floor height when I wanted to change floor textures.

>Using special border textures between different wall segments and doorways.

>Being strict about texture alignment.

>Conscious use of contrast everywhere in a level between light and dark areas, cramped and open areas.

>Making sure that if a player could see outside that they should be able to somehow get there.

>Being strict about designing several secret areas on every level.

>Making my levels flow so the player will revisit areas several times so they will better understand the 3D space of the level.

>Creating easily recognizable landmarks in several places for easier navigation.

>>15176184

There are a few level packs and stuff for Hexen, but even fewer people support that game than Doom because most people don't have the patience for the key and switch hunts and I dont blame them

CHUXEN.wad is one of my personal favorites. There are a few gameplay mods as well, the Korax RPG mod is probably the biggest. There is also Wrath of Cronus which adds weapons to the Hexen classes, I think it also adds Necromancer from Hexen 2, and it is also a monster replacer that you can use on Doom/Heretic levels (or vice versa, play Hexen levels with Doom enemies and weapons although why would you ever do that)

>>15181549

Yeah, that's a pretty good soundpack replacement

>>15181787

It's still a wip y'know. And I usually tend to follow them (even when he himself has failed to)

>>15181789

Sorry I misremembered that, it's the opposite I believe, WoC doesn't replace enemies and actually requires you to add patches if you want to play Doom levels with Hexen mechanics. This makes playing vanilla levels kind of interesting because Hexen characters are generally at a significant disadvantage relative to Doomguy.

>>15181799

The biggest problem thus far is knowing what I want to do with the open, barren space.

Do you guys dislike DOOM 4? I feel like a lot of old fans don't like it but I see it as necessary and fun first step to get better retro-like shooters

>>15182076

There are alternatives

>>15182076

It's only "retro-like" on a surface level. For the current market, it's an alright modern fps, but it's not like Doom and its ilk.

>>15182076

It takes up the evolutionary mantle for FPS game from FEAR by pitting you against enemies with more reactive AI capable of traversing the environment effectively, instead of the old school design where levels needed to always put you in a disadvantageous spot and enemies had to be handplaced because otherwise they would not pose a challenge at all. Arena level design makes more sense if the enemies have more capable AI, it's not like their capabilities could be displayed if you only put them in monster closets

However, I still think the arena design in Doom 4 could have spiced up combat more by presenting more environmental hazards and making you carefully consider more how you move about, as it stands the arenas are too open to let you essentially circlestrafe around without having to think about anything, which is further reinforced by the fact that the game takes care of your health and ammo for you through the glory kills and chainsaw, creating a game where you mostly play on auto-pilot instead of seriously assessing the situation, making multiple levels blur together because you blast through all of them with the same ease. The exploration being only limited to inbetween arena fights actually hurt the game pacing-wise a lot because the enemies encountered during these parts are very small, whereas the OG managed a good combination of both. I honestly think it would be better off if Doom Eternal ditches exploration entirely to focus entirely on non-stop arena fights rather than forcibly separating the two. The OG level design clashes with id's push-forward combat mentality too much in that they don't want you to cheese fights by letting you backpedal from everything, so they locked you in an arena. But they still need to have exploration, because it's a game. It'd be better if they just left it out entirely.

>>15182473

*because it's a DOOM game. It'd be better if they just left exploration out entirely and do their own thing

>>15182473

Except the freedom of movement in nuDoom completely clashes with the more capable enemies. As everyone can go everywhere, arena design doesn't really matter, and enemy roles largely mesh together, as they all basically do the same thing (run around and shoot projectiles at you), with only a few exceptions. While FEAR is similar to nuDoom in that its encounters mostly take place in defined arenas, unlike in nuDoom, and like classic Doom, enemy and player placement matter in each encounter, due to both the more restrictive movement and the more restrictive map design. In FEAR, encounters are significantly different based on map layout, the position of cover, where the enemies start, and where the player enters the area from. In nuDoom, they all largely feel the same, because enemies can be anywhere they want to be, and so can you. Verticallity doesn't really matter when it's barely an obstacle to anyone.

>>15182843

Imagine being so retarded you forget your link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/967q53it1kt8p5n/LOTX.rar?dl=0

>>15182846

Notable diffrences in gameplay:

Revenants can be found as corpses and will self-revive on specific triggers

Arachnotrons are now stealth; fortunately they and some cacodemons are the only ones who possess this.

Cells and Nails will be more common than Bullets and Shells

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>>15182876

oh, two more things:

There are a lot of really dark areas; Utilize the flashlight to find the lamps to turn on.

There are two freezing type weapons. Utilize the brief cover frozen enemies provide when dealing with some hordes or projectiles.

>>15183212

Speaking of ROTT, are there any good source ports for that game?

>>15181789

>There are a few level packs and stuff for Hexen, but even fewer people support that game than Doom because most people don't have the patience for the key and switch hunts and I dont blame them

I don't have much patience for those either, but that's a matter of level design. People could easily make Hexen levels that are just straightforward action. Nothing about the game requires level designers to include tedious key/switch hunting.

DEx is pretty neat. I like how many of the tougher encounters can be bypassed with good exploration. It's disappointingly short, though.

>>15183948

Oh, and it would have been nice to have an appropriate weapon set to go with it. There's nothing that really fits the Deus Ex style of the map, that I know of. Project MSX kinda comes close, but it isn't perfect.

>>15183956

FInalDoomer's JPCP character really fits with this map. If you're masochistic, you can also try Hideous Destructor, the map structure works okay with it.

>>15184906

>4cuck meme

You don't belong here.

>>15185334

>encouraging 4cuck memes

You can fuck off as well.

So is the consensus that GS2 is 20 steps forward but 10 steps back?

>>15187125

Sorta.

Still pissed I discovered the hardest difficult mode not only isn't the hardest but is actually way more interesting in how it's difficult, that and it doesn't make the third boss almost fucking impossible.

>>15187199

Well hey, maybe GS3 will be the magnum opus.

>>15187763

>spyware update

What?

>>15187794

I know there was some kind of fucky update very shortly prior to Kate dying which is why i was so suspicious of jimmy, still not apologizing, jimmy, i respect your work, but not you… yet.

>>15187798

So when gzdoom will start to scan for you having moonman mod installed and read to you about transexual doom players rights in the EULA?

>>15187763

>Instead, what you can do is drag and pull the window size out and the game adjusts automagically.

I can already do that in the older versions. Why are they talking about it like it's a new feature?

>>15187893

Because Graf is a dolt.

>>15187794

Literally getting very generalised stats on what renderer, what OpenGL, and what number of CPU cores. Provably and done for good reason, and removed once it served its purpose. It's fucking nothing.

>>15187817

>>15187783

I just love hyperbole from people who don't get open source and probably use Windows despite their bitching.

>>15187966

Bizarrely, removing any other attacks for bugfixing purposes makes the game crash.

>>15187972

It seems to end abruptly. There's no "Goto" or "Loop" at the end of it. Maybe that's it.

>>15187978

Yeah, I tried to copy over the Cryocubus's freeze attack (as it's an "Arctic Hades-General", so it should have a ice-based attack) so it is a smidge odd trying to splice code together like this because you don't understand it otherwise.

>>15187986

Put a Goto See on it. That should make it work.

>>15188002

>>15188004

Same difference even with the 'see'

>>15188004

Try removing the " " from the freezerloop at Goto freezerloop. Maybe see if they changed how the A_JumpIfCloser works. Also wtf is A_FatRaise.

>>15188009

>>15188012

The original monster/s work fine individually, it seems to be my attempt to hybridize it's attack.

A_FatRaise is part of the Mancubus's attack

>>15188016

I have no idea then. These things usually seem much more obvious after you had some sleep.

>>15188026

Perhaps, but like I said, absolutely zero understanding of code, Most of my 'code' breakthroughs are brute-force accidents, though the Skull Orbs/Power Cubes seem to help me understand it a bit.

Cryocubus only has a minor bug of it constantly attacking until the player has shattered instead of just frozen or other such things unlike LOS-break, but this is the risk you take from salvaging things from the R667 closed submissions. May add 1-2 more "ice" type enemies and 1-2 more weapons but that's it. I wanna focus on the maps and gittin' gud at that, and prehaps a bit of storyline forming, but that's kind of the last thing.

>>15188095

Since you lot are so pleasant unlike your cuckchan kin, I'll let you in on a little more you don't care about:

"Malkaevar Kashnerov" is the larval form of a horrifying otherthing that even the elder gods would give great pause at the mention of, "G'Jralkav the Omnipredicated"- some kind of eldritch abomination that predates time and space whatsoever. He (g'jralkav) is heavily based off of my mental depiction of the underlying functions of reality: Mindwipe-Based Anamnesis, a "sadistic buddha loop" if you will, as if the universe itself runs entirely upon the suffering of those within it. Something it is dead determined to eradicate all realities- just so it can finally die forever.

Malkaevar is actually the amalgamation of the original four "haunted" protaganists, the "Firestarters", who opposed the unnamed military force. They were wanted dead by some unknown force so that Jack, Dan, Loukas and Jay could be frankensteined into the inhuman abomination that is/was Malkaevar, The deeper problem therein lies in "The Philadelphia Experiment"…. Whilst many went mad, Jack himself was one of the many people upon that ship. He saw what no living thing should see, and he also saw himself at the end of all things- something that terrified him. He didn't go mad from the sights that the Void showed, but seeing the "Haunted Face" (basically a fetal version of that aforementioned omnipredicated) was ultimately what made him start to unravel.

There's a lot to tell. Basically, Jack is the leader of a tech/evolution cultist group in Haunted (the Technomaris), but one that was very focused on the improvement of humanity rather than it's downfall as is the trope of cultists. His final death and resurrection as Malkaevar eventually lead to the reformation of the Technomaris into The Talon of G'Jralkav- a legion dedicated solely to erradicating every trace of reality before it could even exist in the first place- ironically, they have to keep on throwing jack into other realities to accomplish this.

/autism.

>>15188154

Why people who have windows 10 installed always have an argument "BUT YOU KNOW, UR LINUX HAS BACKDOORS TOO, ITS JUST AS BAD AS WINDOWS THAT REPORTS ALL MY ACTIVITY FUCKING EVERYWHERE".

Its like a given at this point.

>>15188174

It's not as bad but it's still not true freedom. Also, I love how W7 users point and laugh at W10 users even though W7 has the same amount of spyware (unless you never updated it, and almost everyone has their W7 fully updated).

>>15187763

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=61370&start=60

>This thread has demonstrated that some people really just need to walk the fuck away from the keyboard - get a breath of fresh air, smell the roses, before they come back to post shit.

>I will say some healthy discussion occurred, but some unhealthy stuff happened, too, and it's just better if people try to take a moment and understand what is happening from ALL sides, rather than resorting to insults and sarcasm to get their point across.

>OY VEY! HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE US!

Wow, GZdoom is cucked beyond belief.

>>15188190

Can I at least raise skeletons?

>>15188222

trips and dubs confirm

>>15188222

>>15188299

I mean, hell, I would be more okay if there was an actual point to it (doom eternal having a reverse-engineered codebase to be compatible with 25 years of doom modding would be the tightest shit) but I'm not going to put cards on the non-plausible.

>>15188218

Personally, I'd like to see a fantasy-themed mod, where you play as a mage and use spells and staves instead of guns. Kind of like Hexen, but without all the nonsensical puzzles and tedious backtracking. Just action, like Doom.

>>15188218

Just wing it. It's the only thing I can do; and sometimes just throwing out whatever comes to mind can become a great basis for anything in the future. Imagine it more like dumb mapping "sketches" if you will.

Push comes to shove I'll just couple the cryocubus in with the abolisher.- the boss fight will have cybruisers and stuff too so there is that.

>>15188147

I understood absolutely nothing, but hell, go for it.

>>15188417

I knew that the Doom community is fucked beyond repair, but damn, I wouldn't wish this on any game.

>>15188769

tl;dr: shit nigga how do i explain this

>>15187763

God, I hate Rachael so fucking much. Why the fuck they even allow him to exist, let alone moderate the forums?

>>15187763

bunch of fuckin idiots.

im on my zdoom 2.8.1 and im not moving anywhere

>>15189436

>Daily Mail

Hook line and sinker, you idiot.

>>15188417

Diversity is great. It is destroying large corporations. Unskilled workers and unappealing products.

>>15190749

It really means "robot".

>>15181104

Not only is their definition of 3d wrong, their "rights" are wrong too.

>>15190791

I just keep to one version of gzdoom while growing a personal persistant rpg mod that's a huge grind. I use hub maps I design myself and add weapons, items, powerups, abilities, etc., to it and soon will be adding different difficulty levels. I add user maps to it on a continual basis and the only ones that seem to cock block me from assimilating them are the mega projects with a million new assets, or the ones that replace old textures with new ones by overwriting the originals. Takes a lot of time to go through levels to spot them and change them manually. Plus, it ruins the game for me. Still, a lot of maps out there that easily fit in and lot's of personal fun. If I released such an experiment, people would get all pissy because I wouldn't credit anyone. I think that shit is for faggots and at the end of the day we all should be having fun, not trying to make a career out of a hobby.

>>15190804

On second thought, maybe I will upload it somewhere at some point just to piss these people off. They really have no right to be upset.

>>15190809

Sure, why not, I'd love to play it.

>>15188769

>I knew that the Doom community is fucked beyond repair

It's just the forums, it's been that way for years.

>>15190804

>>15190809

>>15190812

Sounds like I'd cum buckets, DRLA+DRPG was right up my alley

>>15190915

Too bad Quake 3 never got any sort of campaign with these characters. Or a survival mode where each character has different weapons and skills.

>>15190915

>>15190763

So, uh.

Are those from cropped porn?

>>15190936

I'm pretty sure that's their intent with Post-QC

>>15190941

No, why would you even think that?

>>15188321

I've been working on something like that. Its only got three weapons though: fireball, red wand (a direct upgrade), and the base doom shotgun.

>>15147079

god i love those monochrome green monitors, i used to have one but not that exact model. the green is so soothing to look at. too bad you can't emulate it on led's.

>>15190804

>>15190809

As long as you make it clear you didn't make every single asset, do it. While I don't think you need to go as far as explicitly crediting everyone who made every little thing you used, actually taking credit for it is just being an asshole and being just as much as a faggot as those you want to piss off.

I want a Stargate SG-1 mod. Who is willing to make one?

>>15191512

theres a mod for hexen called wrath of cronos, some spell ideas there are interesting. some (like aoe spark around the player) is ASS

>>15192136

Your doors have autism I'm sorry

>>15192136

it'd be more helpful if you screencapped it in the map editor.

>>15191577

I definitely intend on keeping the shotgun.

>>15192150

I'm not trying to make it advanced like that though. Just a quick weapons and monsters mod.

>>15192295

No one cares andrew.

>>15191369

But none of these pics are copped porn :^)

>>15192242

>>15192244

bad posts

>>15192289

Has that fucker finally finished the contest yet? It's been months.

>>15192414

pretty sure he's still got a lot to go

>>15192382

Second one is not bad, it has dubdubs(2244)

>>15192211

>I definitely intend on keeping the shotgun.

Are you going for some kind of science-fantasy thing then? Having a shotgun alongside spells seems a bit weird otherwise.

>>15193031

I kind of want to add the wendigo from Hexen into the wad as it would fit, but I'm an incompitent twit, Anybody got a wad with them inserted? They'd fit with the theme.

>>15142770

are Strife and Hacx good? I've never played them

>>15190915

Crash best girl, fite me.

>>15194313

>Windows 10

C'mon man.

>>15194984

That x86 IntelAviv machine does way more harm than Wangblows supposed spyware.

>>15195065

>winrar

I guess somebody still gets their mods from filefront.

>being so new you don't know about the tabs meme

>>15142770

>itt 28 year old boomers

>>15190749

>pronoun for "other" is "it"

To play double's advocate here, I certainly wouldn't refer to these "other" or "trans" faggots with actual human pronouns like "he" or "she" myself.

>>15197358

ebin meme

>>15187763

>spyware update.

What the fuck? Tell me more.

How the hell do you prevent a barrel that inherits from the IceguyFX from exploding when it's merely touched?

ACTOR CryotholBarrel replaces ExplosiveBarrel

{

Health 20

Radius 10

Height 42

+SOLID

+SHOOTABLE

+NOBLOOD

+DONTGIB

+NOICEDEATH

+OLDRADIUSDMG

DeathSound "world/barrelx"

Obituary "$OB_BARREL" // "%o went boom."

damagetype "Ice"

States

{

Spawn:

BAR1 AB 6

Loop

Death:

ICPR D 4 Bright

ICPR E 4 Bright

ICPR FG 4 Bright

ICPR H 3 Bright

stop

}

}

tl;dr i just want a freeze barrel

>>15198493

They gathered info about your system so they could have an excuse to drop OpenGL 1 and windows XP support.

>>15198844

>86

>>15198741

>miniscule number of users using software renderer

>most of those were either getting worse performance or had no actual reason to use it

>supporting this obsolete shit necessitates a lot of ugly code and holds back future development with modern frameworks

You are in no way the target of future mod development running something that ancient. There's a good reason it's being thrown in the trash, and nobody is stopping you from running the last version with that if it's so important. There's also nothing is stopping you from proving the current GZDoom coders wrong if you fork it and do better.

>>15198493

I already answered to that one too, read the thread. More baseless bitching that keeps getting parroted.

>>15197379

"It" has existed since Quake III at least, and makes perfect sense when your player choice isn't limited to a bunch of humans.

>>15199430

>sing player FPS

I sorta resent how multiplayer killed one of my favorite genres. Quake III, despite being impressive tech for its time, really marked the death of single player FPS campaigns.

>>15199624

Multiplayer has killed most genres. The only holdouts are heavily narrative driven games such as RPGs and TPS

>>15198741

OpenGL 1 support? Even though it was removed ages ago?

>>15199925

>with god knows how many ass-backwards hacks and workarounds

I'm painfully aware that you can't do more than turd polish anything ZDoom, but keeping existing mod compatibility is valuable, and even generally desired by the core devs. However, keeping support for really old computers is less so, especially if it's restricting it from using things that 99.9% of its users have. Again, the old versions aren't going anywhere, and you aren't obligated to move onto the newest thing if it isn't suited to your needs.

>hell, graf zahl has made it abundantly clear that he'd much rather be working on something else

I find that hard to believe since there's other developers, or potential candidates who can take over. If he actually doesn't enjoy it there's nothing keeping him there.

>has happened many times. and they always die

It works out if there's sufficient outrage at the parent, such as Wikia. And yeah, if the parent dies, as happened with ZDoom.

>>15199739

Well those were probably still usable through the software rendering. But not now, since even though there's 4 different renderers they require OpenGL 2.x for the drawing.

>>15199695

>>15199624

Too depressingly true.

>>15200003

>keeping support for really old computers is less so, especially if it's restricting it from using things that 99.9% of its users have

the software renderer has nothing to do with that, it was removed solely because it is no longer being maintained upstream and they didn't want to do it themselves.

dropping older opengl was bullshit however. restricting it from what? marginal speed improvements? opengl features that the engine doesn't even use?

it wasn't needed, the old one would have still worked, and nothing of value was gained. the only reason it was done was so graf could preen about with his shiny new toy and say it was a "modern" engine.

and it will happen again. it's only a matter of time until "any card that doesn't support vulkan is obsolete" and "opengl is impossible to maintain" is the cockcrow of the day and we go through this whole circus again.

>you aren't obligated to move onto the newest thing if it isn't suited to your needs.

you know full well that is complete bullshit. new mods demand newer versions.

>If he actually doesn't enjoy it there's nothing keeping him there.

you mean other than the fact he'd be an irrelevant nobody without it? he holds the keys to the kingdom, and there is no way he will ever let them go.

I don't exactly understand why they'd be so eager to essentially give Doom higher system requirements. One of Doom's big selling points is that you can run it on anything. Are there some kinds of gameplay improvements that require these kinds of updates? I don't know much about the tech side of things, so maybe I'm just missing something.

>>15200180

>restricting it from what? marginal speed improvements?

You know how much mess there is with all the different scripting features. That also applies to maintaining a whole host of different rendering options especially catering to a lowest common denominator like OpenGL 1.x. That shit's really old.

>and it will happen again.

Of course it will. Hardware improves and opens up new options, while old frameworks die. I'm actually next in line for deprecation so don't take this as a smug person with a top-end gaming PC, but even the current versions run acceptably on my system.

>you know full well that is complete bullshit. new mods demand newer versions.

And new mods aren't generally coded for hardware that old! Stop being so entitled.

>you mean other than the fact he'd be an irrelevant nobody without it?

Given he actively contributes to GZDoom and actually sometimes makes an effort to fix stuff that's broken, forgive me for thinking poorly of (You) who just shitposts and spreads misinformation while contributing fuck-all.

>>15200243

That's Doom. Not Doom mods which can get pretty exotic in their visuals. To put it another way, do you expect everything to run on the same systems as the original DOS Doom, with limit removing and fancier graphics?

>graf NO'd 3d polyobjs ala SRB2 because it would require new code and shit

fucking retard do your job

>>15198588

>>15198568

no answers?

>>15200849

hol up

my bad, I forgot gzdoom has shaders now

that's kinda exotic

and a new opengl feature! everybody wins

>>15200255

>That's Doom. Not Doom mods which can get pretty exotic in their visuals. To put it another way, do you expect everything to run on the same systems as the original DOS Doom, with limit removing and fancier graphics?

Well, I admit I haven't been playing Doom mods for very long, but I haven't seen anything that didn't look like it could run on a potato. If you know some examples of more advanced stuff, I'd actually like to see them. I've been wondering just how far they've taken things.

>>15200980

Even Brutal Doom still runs well on Pentium 2s and 3s. Hell I even got it to work on Windows 98 at one point, with the only issue being a slightly glitched cursor.

>>15201192

>The two Fear games

first encounter assault recon and extraction point right?

>>15201223

>tfw never played any of those because I can't into rooty tooty point and shooties

>>15201223

xD funny 4chan maymay :P

>>15201283

wow howd u know I'm ukranian

>>15201303

In another ten thousand years, when you will get as good as me at shitposting, you will learn to tell such things immediately.

>>15201320

> I like all stuff in the franchise

even 3?

>>15201367

Never played it. Didn't even know it existed. It's much worse than the others?

>>15201415

Yes, it is much worse. It basically goes full CoD.

Hey guys, I finished my first map. What do you think?

http://www.filedropper.com/benis_3

>>15202016

Give me a moment to DL.

You any good with scripts/decorate? Trying to… well, see here:

>>15198588

>>15198568

>>15187986

>>15202016

haha nice meme

If any of you want to contribute to my E1 replacement, feel free to. Several maps without any work really done on them, and M4 is just a swastika at the moment

>>15202065

At the same time, if any of you need extra hands for your mapping project, please let me know and I'll try and help out.

>>15202333

>>15202090

>>15202065

>>15202038

>>15200593

>>15200432

>>15198588

>>15197684

>>15197053

>>15196891

>>15195943

>>15194376

>>15194313

nigger, there is a wiki, it's not rocket science just google the solution and fuck around until you manage to get it working. A part of your problem could very easily be because you are using an out of date version of Zdoom, GZdoom or Zandorum and the Actor flags are not recognized.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/DECORATE

>>15202444

nigger if i wanted to just look at the wiki i would have done that, the wiki is not a person, the wiki cannot directly help, the wiki itself is outdated and archaic with very user-unfriendly basis and dialogue

i've already looked at that shit, i've explained this to people countless times, if i had the answer I wouldn't of asked, jackass.

>>15202444

one more thing

>it's not rocket science

the fuck it isn't.

niggermeme surprememe

>>15202871

That's amazing.

>>15203004

Now I need to figure out how to get the freeze working on the boss, but failing so can just put the cryocubus with it.

Last thing I can think of is making an altfire for the chaingun where it only fires two bullets and then stops.

>>15203501

neat, doesn't auto-stop though.

Heads up: Current devbuilds have the hardware survey enabled again, it queries for the same things as before plus the GPU. Also OpenGL 2.x is discontinued, minimum is 3.3.

>>15200849