/v/ - Video Games

People generally are angry because FO3 took a big dump on the previous games in virtually all regards. It is, for all intents, and purposes, a TES game, except you swing around guns instead of swords.

Compared to FO:NV, FO3 is inferior in terms of story, number (and variety of quests), stupid black & white morality amongst faction, less weapons and items (IIRC, although FO:NV admittedly took over many from FO3), less interesting companions, and incredibly uninteresting DLCs safe for perhaps Project Anchorage.

The one thing FO3 has over FO:NV is that it has far more dungeons, while those in NV are less numerous and, more importantly, typically require you to talk to a quest giver on the other side of the map before you're allowed to set a foot in them anyway. At it's best, FO3 is a sandbox variety of what it really should have been.

>>15139202

Hello cuckchan.

It's a bad Fallout game, and an even worse shooter, so it failed both genres, and the start of the casualization of the Fallout saga.

But posers sucked up the marketing about "muh apocalypse setting"+bethesda, so it sold well. Fucking normalfags.

>>15139230

While I think it's obvious NV is the superior game, but I have a soft spot for urban/cityscape maps. I prefer the city setting of DC to the Mojave and I think that's the only reason I'll touch 3 anymore. Though I won't play it unless it's tale of two wastelands.

Shame Bethesda cucked out and didn't let you join the enclave. Would've been fun purging DC of Super Mutants, though I also prefer the Advance Power Armour mk1 over the batman mk2.

>>15139274

You must be the faggot who goes to every thread and tells every OP to go back to 4chan. Don't you get bored?

Of course it is! Have you not seen that 2 hour analysis on why it's great?

>>15139250

There's a mod for NV that takes you back to the capital wasteland.

>>15139295

It's Tale of Two Wastelands. You begin in FO3 and you find a train station to begin NV.

>>15139322

Does it make FO3 playable?

>>15139230

This more or less.

Fallout 3 has been rendered more or less obsolete with the existence of New Vegas aside from size and setting (and even then, you can just install the Tale of Two Wasteland mod if you really want to play FO3 on New Vegas' mechanics). Ironically it's not as bland as FO4.

>shit shooting

>Shit intro

>Antagonist has fucking retarded motivations

>Shit morality system

>Shit role-playing, can't negotiate out of almost any hostile encounter

>President is a robot

>You tell the president to shut itself down because it's a computer and "computers can't be presidents, sillt!" And it actually fucking does

>Putrid green filter on everything

>Landscape is dull and unimaginative despite being full of historical landmarks

>Endgame enemy areas right next to low level npc town

>Enemy scaling in general is fucked, mercs and supermutants with healthpools larger than dark souls bosses

>Get handed the most powerful weapon in the game after 20 minutes to make it cool land cinematic

>BoS are good guys that shit sparkles and unicorns

Literally the only good thing in fo3 is the environmental storytelling, and every fallout does that well

>>15139202

As the one, lone wanderer on 8ch that genuinely enjoys Fallout 3, please take this post to heart.

>Is Fallout 3 really that bad?

No, but if you started with Fallout 1 & 2 then 3 seems to be hard to get over. If FO3 is your first trip to the Wastelands, you're in for a treat.

>Is there anything that I cannot miss?

Take Mister Burke's offer at least once, with your "evil" character.

>Anything I should not do?

Listen to the black pills here in /v/.

>Any mod recommendations?

No, go in dry, er, vanilla the first time through.

>>15139202

BLOW UP MEGATON!

NUKE THE CITADEL FROM ORBIT!

It's a huge disappointment, but I can see the appeal for people who went in with no expectations whatsoever

>>15139383

>but I can see the appeal for people who went in with no expectations whatsoever

Basically this, it was my first Fallout experience so I had no expectation or idea what I was getting into and I guess that's why I had a soft spot for it. Played NV and never went back.

Playing through the original fallout right now using an emulator on my phone cause I'm traveling and it 8 hour flights go by quicker and I'm enjoying it. The combat isn't that good, compared to the last CRPG I played which was underrail.

I guess that's a theme with Fallout games, the combat is always a bit meh.

(main)Storywise?

Fallout NV>Fallout 4>Fallout 3

Gameplay?

Fallout 4>NV>Fallout 3

I really just want Fallout 4 New Vegas to be completed.

>>15139339

>>Antagonist has fucking retarded motivations

Good point, had to look it up to even remember.

I must be the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about the story in the fallout games and just cares for the exploration,the creatures,the weapons,the old 1950s style interiors,literally everything else but the story.

>>15139494

And it doesn't change the fact that you're a faggot who sucks (((Pete Hines))) semitic herpes-ridden ballsack

>>15139493

But how can you enjoy it then? You might as well just get any shooter at that point.

One of the best parts of Fallout is the characters and setting. And that is part of the story

>>15139512

If you consider setting part of the story then i suppose i enjoy it yes,but i never cared about "oh shit who are you gonna side with in the dam! I just wanted to explore and be a courier once again,and live my own life.

>>15139335

It makes NV unplayable in the sense that by the time you arrive to Nevada, you're likely armed to the teeth with Enclave Power Armor and high tier weapons already, ruining any kind of character progression NV has

>>15139359

Man if you think Im gonna watch that 2 hour video …

Summer fucking sucks

>>15139507

I actually think fo3 was pretty poor aside from the size and various locations.

>>15139436

Underrail is an indie game that was designed specifically to be Fallout with better mechanics in general. Fallout is in my opinion a masterpiece of interactive storytelling but the mechanics are there just to facilitate the roleplaying. It's like playing an edition of D&D you dislike with a top tier DM who's been playing for 20 years. I did like Underrail a lot though and I recommend anyone interested in classic Fallout to give it a chance.

>>15139502

4 is an incredibly vapid and shallow experience. Think Borderlands without cel shading and slightly less wacky humor and half-baked town building. All you do in that game is go to a place, kill every dude and loot everything ad nauseum, with perhaps a couple of randomly generated bullet sponge enemies with special modifiers that get in your way while travelling.

Are duplicate threads really that bad?

>>15139502

FO4 is worse in every way except graphics and the combat gameplay being a bit smoother. The advancements don't make up for the loss of quality in everything, not by a long shot. And the choice to have a voiced protagonist makes it damn near unplayable. It's much better with a mod to silence to protagonist, but it's still shit compared to FO NV

>>15139202

The other thread got baleeted so here's my previous response to you, OP you gigantic faggot:

It's mechanically similar to Fallout New Vegas, but the writing is absolutely shit and you can pretty much be an expert in everything. The specialty checks are RNG, meaning you will have x% chance of clearing a speech check, with higher percentages at higher levels of investment. That shit is retarded. If you just like shooting bandits, radscorpions, and mutants, then you'll think this game is just the bees knees. If you're hoping for an actual RPG, then you're shit out of luck.

no fallout 4 is tho

skyrim is a weird combo of good with mods

but also so shit that its still jank at the same time

fallout 3 is the only non aids bethesda game

least bugs too at least on console

>>15139726

FO4 is a better FO3 than FO3. Neither are proper RPGs like NV is.

It's a fun game, make sure you have all the addons. Broken Steel is necessary and Operation Anchorage is the most enjoyable.

>>15139899

>So before I can continue, I MUST speak to every person here. They exist to set up your backstory. All these people are your peers and you spent your whole life with them. You are REQUIRED to be invested in these people

I don't actually think you HAVE to speak to everyone, I think just Amata and Butch, after a certain length of time the player's father eventually wobbles to the phone and talks to Jonas.

It is a really bad idea though to write a game where you're introduced to an entire group of characters that you learn the backstory of who don't matter at all after the first hour. Like Amata and Butch only matter if you choose to do the sidequest where you return to Vault 101. And even then Butch matters the most because he can become a follower.

>>15139953

You can actually skip the test by talking to the teacher and asking "Do I really have to take this test?" he eventually goes "well your daddy did help me with something so just tell me what you want" and it lets you pick the options yourself.

Although you do miss out on being told what occupation your player character had in the vault before leaving which is a loss in worldbuilding although ymmv if you care about that. (like being told your character was the vault tattoo artist).

It's bad for what it should've been, but its pretty enjoyable for what it is.

It's honestly way better than Fallout 4, it had better quests, world and as weak as the writing in F3 was, it was still much better than F4's. Fallout 4 has to be one of the worst modern games I've played. Really glad we got a proper modern fallout game with New Vegas, sadly we won't get anything like it again. Even if Bethesda were to let Obsidian make another one which they won't because all the development troubles, they lost all their key staff and are utter shit now.

Just play the fucking thing and find out for yourself if it's shit or not, only your opinion on it should matter to you anyway.

>>15139238

Consoles are to blame.

>>15139493

>>15139519

This is the way to play FO3 unless you absolutely insist on being a roleplay/lorefag in which case you'll probably not like it.

Yes, sad thing is that Fallout 4 is improvement in every way and Fallout 4 is medicore game out side of Far Harbor.

>>15139671

'I'm with Her' or 'Misogynist'

>>15139230

This. Fallout 3's only saving grace is it's dungeons and setting.

>>15140166

Nah, FO4 was a much better action/survival/exploration/crafting game than FO3, FONV, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Tactics could ever hope to be. I really love Fallout 1 and 2 but New Vegas was so fucking horrible to me it's indescribable. The aesthetics are so far off from Fallout 1 (and even 2) it didn't even feel like a Fallout game. The dialogue are so dull, people keep talking about factions and factions instead of telling you about the wonders of the radiated and mutated world that is Fallout universe. I think the House faction and Caesar's faction are so ridiculous, I love the pre-bomb world and international politics that Fallout 1, Fallout 3, and even Fallout 4 established, but I don't find Mr House's story to be interesting at all, or prewar Vegas because it's basically the same as current year Las Vegas (which is btw still thick of 50's atmosphere). The gunplay is an improvement from Fallout 3 in certain respects, but enemies somehow feel much more annoying, especially the deathclaws which are just bullet sponges that completely rip through your body suit no matter what you wear, and this kind of shit is unacceptable in an RPG if you want to maintain a good sense of progression.

Yes, Fallout 3 was a horrible game, but at least the atmosphere was consistent to the Fallout franchise. I'm not talking about lore, I'm talking about atmosphere and setting. Fallout 4 was horrible at creating the same apocalyptic tone or being a game where the player is free to do whatever they want and take any role, but it excelled at other things that made Fallout (or Bethesda games in general if not Interplay Fallout) fun. New Vegas was just garbage through and through. There's literally nothing good coming out of it. Fallout 3 was THAT bad (in term of gameplay) but New Vegas was worse in every way, probably including some aspects of the gameplay.

Imagine having such bland taste

>>15140682

You're right about everything apart from NV being shit and FO being any good.

And I don't get why the RPG aspect in Fallout games is so watered down compared to Oblivion and Skyrim. You can do a lot of really crazy customization with magic, alchemy, and enchantment in TES games, but they in Fallout there's no such things, they have a lot of player limitations that as if the devs don't want the player to do whatever they want and break the game. It's so unlike TES in design philosophy and as a consequence it's progression is very linear.

I understand that Bethesda wants to follow Interplay's formula to please the old fanbase (No Mutant Allowed faggots and RPG codex), but it isn't a good formula at all. Todd shouldn't have given a shit about NMAcucks, because they will hate Todd's guts for whatever he does anyway. He should've just blatantly copied every mechanics from TES games and made a literal TES with guns.

>>15140707

If you hate FO then why don't you think that NV is shit?

>>15140756

Was that actually in the game? It's been a while since I played.

>>15140783

If they pulled a Morrowind and took a year to add more perks, more weapons, and more armour it'd be an 8.5 - 9, as memorable and replayable as New Vegas. I don't see why they didn't.

>>15140771

There's a difference between hostile areas full of mutants still looking like ruins and normal people living in leaking piles of scrap 100+ years later.

>>15139924

that's about when video games became a main avenue for liberal propaganda

>>15140783

>raped the lore of a beloved franchise

That was going to happen regardless of who had the IP. Even NV wasn't that faithful to the originals.

>completely changed the genre to appeal to consoleniggers and casuals

And created an iconic game which sold tremendously well and is beloved by many. If they had made it like the others it would have killed the franchise again and you know it. Just look at Wasteland.

>godawful shooting

Compared to what?

>godawful visuals and asthetics, even for the time

They're comparable to GTAIV. They aged like garbage but you're fooling yourself if you think an open world game at that time would have Witcher 3 graphics.

>shit writing

Main story yes, side quests were pretty good though.

>a reskin of Oblivion

And this is a problem how?

>it's fucking shit as an rpg outside the character creator

Aside from not having traits, it has the same fucking rpg elements as previous fallouts, what the fuck are you talking about

>>15140806

So you're saying FO4 got it better than 3?

>>15140783

Agreed with everything there, except for these things:

>Raped the lore of a beloved franchise

First, IMO it's not a good excuse to hate a sequel in my opinion as long as the atmosphere is still consistent. Second, not much was retconed, only small arbitrary shits that nobody paid attention before it came out. The rest of the lore stuff that people complain about are actually lore friendly, taking an unexpected turn in the story doesn't count as breaking the lore.

>Godawful shooting

Not completely terrible for pre-2010s standard, especially being an RPG. It might not be the most responsive experience but the gore and blood splatter looked really nice, probably one of the best back then.

>godawful visuals and asthetics

Graphics weren't Crysis tier, but it looks almost as good as CoD IV and Far Cry 2. The aesthetics are definitely better than both of those games, everything looked sharp and distinct even with the green piss tint. I remember how boring FC2 looked.

>A reskin of Oblivion

It's NOTHING like Oblivion, which is what I think is the absolute biggest flaw of the game.

>It's fucking shit as an RPG outside the character creator

RPG's and CYOA aren't the same thing you know. It's not a good CYOA but as an RPG it's about equal to the previous games, minus the trait thing and being able to play as a retard.

>>15140806

There's a good explanation for that. People can't live in the inner city of DC due to the supermutants conquering those areas and bandits conquering the outer rings. DC is where the sophisticated tools and other technologies are hidden. BoS only came a few years before to clean up that mess.

Also, the people have built settlements with running water. Megaton has running water and purifier. Rivet City people get their stuff from the project purity scientists and probably the Institute. They aren't that lowlife.

>>15140873

>>15140946

FO3 looks much better than GTA IV. And GTA IV was a great game apart from the graphics and piss poor optimization for PC.

>Every FPS on the market at the time.

Yeah, but those games have shitty levels and exploration unlike Fallout 3, and not even half of the gameplay mechanics FO3 had. Ever tried "exploring" the "world" of Far Cry 2, Stalker SoC, and Crysis? They're so linear, scripted, and empty. Stalker's world wasn't as bad as the other two, but still not remotely comparable to FO3.

>>15141022

Give the Redditors a finger and they'll want an arm.

That is why Fallout 3 will always be, not average, not mediocre, but shit.

>>15141001

>shit like the FEV virus and the Enclave even existing is however fucking bullshit and completely lifted from previous game out of creative bankrupcy, that shit is completely lore breaking

It's confirmed that critters like Deathclaws and Wanamingo are pre-war creatures, so FEV isn't lore breaking at all. Enclave obviously have a bunch of smaller bases like the Navarro, so even when the main base is nuked there would still be others remaining.

>Stalker says hi

Stalker looked amazing though. FO3 just looked decent, and Stalker's physics weren't as good as Fallout's that could handle like thousands of objects on fucking Xbox 360. Stalker wasn't a multiport game so that doesnt count.

>Visually, and mechanically, it absolutely is, the RPG mechanics and mission/world design are entirely different though, I'll give you that

Are you a fucking dumbass, the leveling system is nothing like Oblivion. It has zero item customization while in Oblivion you could do many things with weapon enchanting, alchemy, and magic. The interaction between NPC's was a total improvement from Oblivion.

>Know I know you've never played either one of the Black Isle FO games

Huge fan of FO2. Save for the less effective UI, skills capped to 100, and having less skills and perks and no trait selection it's not even different. There might be some small things that I miss, but prove me wrong.

>Neither of those statements is true

In what way?

>This is the time I tell you to go back to Reddit

Make me nigger.

>>15141022

GTA IV's animations are better than literally any game ever made in history, only the graphics are shit.

It's not bad, but it is certainly not good either.

The problem with FO3 is outside of the setting, it's very a bland FPS/RPG that falls short compared to other games in the series.it is better then Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, but that is not much of an accomplishment.

It's story is not really that captivating, if not stupid at times.

The gunplay is mediocre

The character interactions in most cases are forgettable.

It, like most Bethesda games, has little polish whatsoever.

The world layout is actually ok

As an RPG, it is functional with the attributes, skills and perks systems.

It's take on VATS was sort of neat at the time.

As others have stated in the thread, if it was someones first Fallout game, I can see them liking it. Hell, I liked it when I first played it, but when you actually start thinking about it, everything about it starts to fall apart very quickly.

It's a very roughly made game and it seems like the staff did have an idea of what fallout was like, but for obvious reasons, were more familiar with the Elder Scrolls series and tried to merge both series design philosophies, with mixed to minimal success.

If it was just outright bad, it could've be entertaining at the very least, but it's just mediocre and forgettable

hbomber is /ourguy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78

>>15143316

>Ourguy

>Can't even embed

Back to cuckchan faggot

>>15143316

>Complements medic armor for being an interesting world building item that tells us about the attitude of violent american supremacy

Holy shit you and this guy are fucking gay.

It's better than Fo4 due to the skills system but the worldbuilding is still awful. Let's list a few of the problems with it:

1. The largest factions in the game are recycled from the first two in a blatant attempt to cash in on what was (at the time) a dead franchise. The east coast BoS doesn't make much sense and should have been something else like local NG units or just the scientists from Rivet City.

2. Tenpenny Tower was clearly supposed to be adjacent Dukov's place but Bethesda realized this couldn't work without the player seeing all the fake scenery within DC. It was moved to an empty corner of the map for no reason other than to make the player travel there.

3. Random mercenaries are everywhere with no clear employer, and they're all over the Capitol Building for some reason. This is never explained even though it could have been by saying they were a pre war PMC or something. Also, there are super mutants all over downtown DC even though they're from the opposite corner of the map, and all that space inbetween is held by random raiders. This could have been swapped and fixed.

(quick note: the raider faction mod for Fo3 is a must-have and makes the game much better)

4. Can't join the Enclave, they get blown up no matter what and you have to go into their base (though it's plausible to nuke the Citadel, but this only raises more questions as to why the Enclave didn't do this in the first place)

5. Can't kill Lyons and/or ally with the BoS Outcasts in any way even though it would have made for a more interesting BoS story

6. Nothing is built to scale except Rivet City's exterior (but not the hangar). This is jarring and is it's own type of uncanny valley.

7. The subway vampires are never explained and only have one quest, even though they're one of the more unique factions. By comparison look at how the Republic Of Dave has a few quests/items associated with it.

8. There's a water treatment plant to the north of Springvale which is never mentioned despite the entire game being about a water filter built inside the Jefferson Memorial.

9. Vault 101 activates their emergency beacon but no other vaults do. Though, it's cool that Vault 101 has it's own most-MQ quest and I'll give Beth credit for that

10. Megaton is supposedly built around an airport, but there's no traces or even space for an airport around it. No mention of Dulles airport either.

>>15143642

>Random mercenaries are everywhere with no clear employer, and they're all over the Capitol Building for some reason.

This always seriously bothered me about Talon Company in FO3 and Bethesda did the same retarded shit in FO4 with The Gunners. A huge, well-organized mercenary group that the player can have no meaningful interactions with.

Factions like those should have been rife with quests and even the potential to join up with them, but instead they're just a different flavor of raider.

>>15143642

>It's better than Fo4 due to the skills system

Simply that? FO3's skill system was awfully implemented, FO4's system worked much better. FO4 was better than every 3D Fallout.

>can't kill everyone

>can't just join anyone's faction

This isn't an issue because FO1 and 2 weren't that open ended either. You were FORCED to find the water chip and the GECK. You can't kill any of the Arroyo villagers. You can't join most of the factions, I think the only faction you could truly join was the slavers in FO2. The only open ended Fallout is New Vegas.

>>15143710

>FO4's system worked much better. FO4 was better than every 3D Fallout.

Fo4 is just a another borderlands clone. Fo3 is a worse shooter but at least attempts some RP elements that makes it different from a game like borderlands.

>This isn't an issue because FO1 and 2 weren't that open ended either.

And Fo1/2 aren't perfect games, either.

>>15140931

>Second, not much was retconed

>BOS

>Enclave

>FEV

>The rest of the lore stuff that people complain about are actually lore friendly, taking an unexpected turn in the story doesn't count as breaking the lore.

>Making various organizations caricatures of themselves doesn't count as breaking the lore.

>Not completely terrible for pre-2010s standard

Did you even play any pre 2010 FPS games?

>Graphics weren't Crysis tier, but it looks almost as good as CoD IV and Far Cry 2

Not even Far Cry 2 had realistic fire physics and tons of other effects that were mindblowing at the time, it also released the same year. It also didn't have a shitty green filter over everything. It also had SIGNIFICANTLY better animations compared to Fallout 3's stilted reload and equip animations

>It's NOTHING like Oblivion, which is what I think is the absolute biggest flaw of the game.

>Game has the same engine and reuses a lot of assets (mostly animations)

>nothing like Oblivion

>It's not a good CYOA but as an RPG it's about equal to the previous games, minus the trait thing and being able to play as a retard.

The rpg elements that are there don't really matter the game doesn't encourage you to create different builds due to how there's only a few skills that actually matter. This was something Fallout New Vegas completely fixed with its skill system and skill progression.

>Megaton has running water and purifier

>the water around the bomb is irradiated with a group that drinks the water because of their religion

>>15143754

>Far Cry 2

To hammer this point home even further someone compiled a list of graphical and AI effects Far Cry 2 had. Fallout 4 doesn't even have a lot of this

California based FO game in the 4 Engine when?

Fucking thing I hate about Obsidian are the romance options.

They're never straight.

What kind of jewish bullshit is that?

>>15143849

>romance options

"Romances" in the game are moreso implied and not outright stated. Like in one of the ending choices Cass gets drunk after the NCR victory and wants to fuck the male Courier but fucks a serviceman instead. To recruit Arcade Ganon and Veronica easier you can be gay and flirt with them. It's something J.E. Sawyer spoke about that he thought romances in vidya feel very contrived like "just talk to me for a few minutes and let's fuck okay now that's over."

>>15141013

4 is a good game, it's just not a good RPG.

>>15139230

Don't forget Bethesda's romantic view of the wasteland, on FO 1 and 2 you can feel how the world is struggling to survive with all of the raiders, slaves, drugs, prostitution and militias hanging around meanwhile FO3 doesn't take it's setting seriously and feels pretty oddly cheerful.

One thing that might have contributed to this is the implementation of the radio and the over abundance of American icons, on FO1 and 2 you would only hear old world music during the introduction and ending sequence, there wasn't any 50's America stuff besides the intro and some furniture and most of the soundtrack was composed of industrial noises, meanwhile FO3 (and NV to some extent) feel almost like a cartoon with all the cowboy stuff and American imagery

>>15143865

In what fucking way, shape, or form is fallout 4 ever considered a "good game?" Go ahead and elaborate retard

>>15143865

Fo4 isn't a good game, at the very best it's a very mediocre copy of borderlands. The shooting is passable, but the quests are bad, the loot is bad, the characters nonexistent, and the settlement building shitpoor compared to rust or minecraft.

>>15143316

By (((pure coincidence))), Josh Sawyer and hbomberguy are both goons. Wonder why Harris made a video that explains why the competition of another goon's game is bad. :^)

I understand why people hate fallout 3 but fallout 2 ruined the series forever and allowed a game as retarded as 3 to come into existence.

>memes and pop culture references everywhere

>shitty world map with shit just cluttered all over without direction

>you can walk straight from the starting location to an enclave base and get end game power armor and weapons because they wont even attack you

>the fallout 1 world was a dark hellhole full of people struggling to survive then just 70 years later some nobody brown bitch from a hole in the ground has rebuilt america out of a dead wasteland

>>15143950

forgot one

>talking rodents that say epic memes

>retarded 8 foot tall murder lizards now speak perfect english and live in a vault

>>15143982

But in Fallout 1 those were restricted to being easter eggs on low percentage encounters.

>>15143865

>shooting the same 4 enemies with +1 or -1 stat modifications onto your guns

>a good game

Man you are casual.

>>15139202

>Is Fallout 3 really that bad?

No. It's awesome. Fuck the haters.

>>15140047

>No weapon crafting

Hold on, wasnt weapon upgrading a giant selling point of the game?

How does that work?

>>15143989

>>15144036

People that say Fallout 1 had no memes or pop culture reference stuff either just have poor/selective memory or never actually played the fucking game.

HEY, I REMEMBER THAT REFERENCE!

if you think Easter eggs and references influence the quality of a game you need to leave

>>15144055

b-but, muh autism

>>15144054

Well, they also say that Fallout 2 has aliens, and if they had played the game they would know the wanamingos are mutants.

>>15144055

By that logic, Ready Player One was a visual masterpiece with a deep underlying message. Effort put into a reference rather than an original idea takes away production time that could have gone towards literally anything else. Imagine what they could have made with the time and effort it took to recreate and bugtest the Monty Python Bridge scene.

>>15144065

Arguably, but I'm not so sure. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>15144065

>Holy Grail

That shit is so cringe.

>>15144084

>Effort put into a reference rather than an original idea takes away production time that could have gone towards literally anything else

A lot of the time things blur together when you try to add something "original". Most of the time a small reference takes a few hours compared to an entire town which can take days to a month. In the time that it takes a few hours you can add maybe a quest but even then just adding a fetch quest pads the game out. Most people would rather the game have less content than have more content but all the content is pointless and busywork.

The reference in Fallout 2 is a neat little gag and if you played it back in the 90s it was a genuine surprise to see it. I still remember it to this day, it's by far one of the more memorable bits of content in the game.

>>15144055

OOOOHHH CRAP

IS YOU HYPERION?!

References should be subtle, few, and far between.

>>15144232

Didn't you get your ass raped enough by f5db3d? What are you still doing here when it's clear you haven't played any fallout game?

>>15144246

I've played every Fallout game except BoS and 4.

>>15144089

>Yank doesn't get English humour

I bet you unironically like Larry the Cable Guy

>>15143950

Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 were made in different millennia and by completely different people. This claim that FO2 somehow was responsible for the modern Fallout games is absurd.

>>15144299

This is comedy.

>>15143316

The only thing hbomberguy can do right is swing from a fuckin' tree.

>>15140728

I meant FO4

>>15140765

It's an instance of 'when bandits hack terminals'.

>>15139359

>If FO3 is your first trip to the Wastelands, you're in for a treat.

It was and I still hates it for reasons anons already mentioned. Abhorrent shooting, movement feels floaty, enemies are shit, level design is shit, green filter everywhere, retarded protagonist and uninspired quests

Guise I'm gonna play FO3 again, not touched it since the bawx days wish me luck.

>>15144934

Kill yourself

>>15139202

FO3 is decent, NV is better in almost every regard.

The one autistic screeching I never got was about the enclave being present in FO3 this is the remnants of the united states government, with access to vault tec vaults out the wazoo. Of course they are not going to be taken out when you nuke the oil rig. Heck even Van beuron states that it was not the end, as they needed to go to naveroo to finish off their main power, even then a lot of them got away. So bitching about that is just baffling to me.

The BoS being there makes a lot more sense in being something to complain about, but I honestly like having them there, and it does add in a sort of Civil war aspect of the BoS. Especially when you consider that in FO4 Maxson does have some influence from Lyons still and is not hard line BoS. Although them saying that they have god cults in the west is stupid as fuck.

FO3 has a shit ton of problem, it is improved by mods just like every other Bethesda game, which goes into the basic problem of Bethesda games. People outside the company need to make them better. You could argue that it is the same thing with NV, you need mods to improve the game.

Fav mod is mothership zeta crew however, even if some of the stuff makes it really OP

>>15144941

But anon how could it possibly be bad with all those 5 star ratings? :^)

>>15144934

>bawx

Epic, bro! You get all the Cheevs yet?

>>15144959

>yet

If I remember correctly there was a bugged DLC one which I had passed but never updated. So, sadly (on so many levels) the answer is no.

>>15144941

I'm gonna ignore the story and just collect Nuka Cola trucks until I crash the game by trying to put them all in the megaton house at once.

>>15139359

>>15139202

So I played though Fo3 vanila on xbox360, and did the Operation: Anchorage dlc mission. I thoght the game was ok, mostly fun (but very very ugly), I just picked up the GOTY version on PC. anons, please give me a list of your best visual overhaul and ridiculous weeb mods, for a good time. (video kinda related, first thing that came up when I searched for fallout 3 anime mods. not sure what it is)

>>15145054

Liked the crippled limb icon at the end

>>15145216

Only if that thing gets dicked.

>>15145321

>Fallout 3 Remastered (2017) (Mod Guide)

this is the guide I'm going off of to make the game work on win10 (use it only for games, so please no bully) and give the graphics a good boost. since i'm rocking an OC'd gtx 1060 I should have enough power headroom for some nice looking stuff. (any and all suggestions welcomed)

>>15139924

>Remember when Bethesda completely fucked up Fallout 3's ending and they had to apologize for it and released a DLC that fixed it.

Not for free they didn't and fixed isn't the word that I would use.

>>15146429

I'm kind of curious to know if fallout 3 shitters complained about the BoS returning to their roots in 4. I find it funny that the story and factions are so retarded that the BoS are the best faction in 4 because of how fucking ridiculously stupid the other ones are.

>>15146445

No joking, they call BoS nazis and the most evil faction in FO4.

There's even a mod to paint all the BoS as nazis, as a way to portray how evil they are as a "joke".

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/5586?

I would like to see somebody use FO4 modding system to replicate the following.

https://www.ar15.com/gunstruction/

>>15146476

I thought that the enclave was the most evil.

>>15146476

It is the funniest thing ever to be honest. These guys screaming about them being nazi's cause of ghouls and super mutants, when ghouls will always eventually go feral, and when the last time you tried to intergrate a ghoul population with a human one, all the ghouls slaughtered the normalfags.

For all the bitching people do about the lore rape of FO3, it is nowhere near the amount of lore rape that happens in FO4. For T-60, if they really wanted to go with it, with all of the advancements the east coast brotherhood has undergone with the capture of enclave tech, should have just said it was a power armor designed and produced by the BoS, one of the finest examples of it.

>>15146526

That's because by the time FO4 came out anons realized that beth no longer even pretended to give a shit and wrote it off before it even came out. A lot of people actually played FO3 to see how it was.

>should have just said it was a power armor designed and produced by the BoS, one of the finest examples of it.

That would require giving even the tiniest amounts of shit about the lore which Beth doesn't

>>15146445

I personally picked the institute, on a good character (good being my general playstyle, since karma and faction standing aren't a fucking thing in 4 for some reason), because the institute is pretty much the only hope for the world going back to normal. Sure, kidnapping and replacing people is fucked but hey.

>>15139230

The only thing you forgot to mention is that Fallout 3 is basically bad fan fiction by someone who isn't even really a fan.

>>15143908

No modern weapons? You can pick up G11s and P90s fucking everywhere late game.

FO3 has a good atmosphere (sort of) and decent environment. That's all I can remember about it. New Vegas is better in almost every single way except for the environment. Never thought I could get bored of just looking around in New Vegas. The game is fun when you get to the strip, and then it starts getting really fucking bad. The fact that you can't even be on Caesars side is complete horseshit. The game is so pretentious with the idea that your choices matter and it's a free game where you can side with anyone is a lie. Very overrated games with almost no replay value, other than getting bored with mods. That's mostly the problem with RPG's though. Their gameplay is shit so they rely on writing, characters and story. If any of those fail, you have a shit game that is a chore to play, which in case is FO3-NV-FO4.

>>15146696

>FO3 has a good atmosphere

No

>Decent environmmnents

Fair enough, but half of them look like shit

>>15146696

>can't even be on Caesars side

Way to signal everyone your opinnion is uninformed garbage.

>>15146713

>No

Yes.

>>15146738

>defending a total disaster of a game like Vegas.

You're pathetic.

How do you lot feel about Frontier and New California mods then?

>>15146794

I think the Frontier looks fantastic, but New California is only what I can describe as eh. NC just seems like it's wanting to be a Michael Bay movie more than an RPG mod. Frontier on the other hand, from what I've seen and the information given by the authors, is that they really do want to make an RPG experience that stays true to the Fallout Bible

>>15143865

76 will be worse.

On its own it's a shallow but somewhat fun experience, but if you are a fan of the franchise then Fallout 3 was a massive disappointment to most.

only if you have crippling autism

>>15139202

Here's a mod, put a bullet in your fucking brain you dumb shit.

>>15146967

As much as I've seen this advertised, I never bothered to try it out. How's the character customization? Am I stuck with the same busted threads the whole game or can I be the cute girl I always wanted?

>>15147006

We are not talking about fallout tactics in this thread.

Implausible lore set in a badly made world with a shitty game engine.

Some of the storytelling is ok, some of the assets are made with talent but so much of Failout is rung in it's not funny.

>>15147015

>How's the character customization?

Absolutely none, aside from armour. Not that it matters, since it's entirely first-person.

>>15143898

>Fo4 isn't a good game

It is, the best Fallout game along with FO2.

>very mediocre copy of borderlands

More like very superior copy. The dungeon crawling and exploration are miles above borderlands, even when about 30% of the world is covered by water. The weapons can take much more powerful enhancements.

>the quests are bad

At least it isn't 90% NPC fetching.

>the loot is bad

Good enough to be sold for minigun ammo.

>the characters nonexistent

Wrong. Vid related. Better than NV's dull emotionless faggots who talk about nothing but muh ebil caesar niggers.

>settlement building shitpoor compared to rust or minecraft.

Neither of them have economy system. The main purpose of building shit in FO4 isn't to make absurd looking stuff, but to attract merchants and get access to better trading.

>>15147922

Go back to Reddit

>>15139202

>Is Fallout 3 really that bad?

Yes. Here is an autistic feature-length video giving you a lot of reasons to avoid this game.

Character and weapon customization in FO4 is far more complex than NV and 3 because it doesn't only revolve around perks but also extensive equipment modification. This is why FO4 is objectively more RPG than NV and 3.

>>15147937

>(1) and run

>>15139335

>>15139522

Download Warzones Inc. mod, it balances that out a bit by adding a whole load of enemy encounters all around the map, kinda like the war of the commonwealth or whatever it's called for F4

>>15139502

F4 is basically a single player mmo/skyrim with guns. One thing it does right is letting you side with 4 different factions, rather than NV's 3 or just 1 for literally every other fallout game. You can make it 5, if you count siding with raiders in one of the DLCs, and it's actually really fun to do so(if you have "Everyone is klliable" mod and play around with the geck a bit so you can raid every single settlement)

>>15148036

That's because it steals some ideas from borderburchland like legendary weapons and legendary enemies.

>>15139829

Hey dipshit, you can make a save right before you leave the vault, the game even gives you a second chance to re-create your character, so you can load that save every time you want to start a new character, and you never have to go thru the tutorial ever again

If you're going to pick apart the game, at least do it right

>>15148070

>this anon never modded enough to know you can't load saves on different mod loads

Great, now we have a retard in this thread.

>>15141001

FEV was kind of a big deal at the time, since it was supposedly the cure for the new plague, a big problem at the time, so I see no problem with it. Same thing with the enclave, it makes sense that they would have a base so close to the former capital

But you're right, it was very uncreative

>>15148081

As a matter of fact, I have, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to shit on the game, at least do it right

>>15148068

It's a lot more like skyrim actually. Borderlands has no skill attributes, only special ability skills.

>>15143908

uhh, anon, there was a desert eagle in F1 and a fucking P90 in F2. And with NV, coming from the same people who made the old games, more or less including a tacticool M4 type rifle, that assumption that modern day weapons don't exist in the fallout universe is pretty much thrown out the window. They just co-exist with weapons like the garand, thompson, and others, as well as energy weapons

Yes, it's a truly terrible. One of worst stories ever written.

>>15148216

3 had the best looting design, where extra stuff was hidden under buckets and behind desks. Made the act of scrounging for loot mentally engaging. They don't really do that at all in NV aside from the one black mountain room.

>>15139202

>Is Fallout 3 really that bad?

it was really dull, and I can't really say why, it just didn't feel like FO or FO2, I simply didn't care about the story or the characters at all, and that's a bad thing if the game is RPG, I haven't liked any TES games either

>>15148025

>Listening to commies

Leave

>>15140047

>Crippled limb system was removed; you now auto heal, despite the animations being there

Mind elaborating? Pretty sure that you have to heal yourself with a stimpack, just like in F3, to heal limbs

>>15148362

You can get crippled, but your limbs auto-regenerate within 5 minutes. If I'm remembering right

>>15148419

That's retarded, I never noticed this

Any mods that fix that? And mods that disable stimpack healing limbs as well? That was always retarded, but I could overlook it in F3 since your dad was a doctor, so your character should know a thing or 2 about medicine

>>15148250

That was since Ultima 7 in video games. And then introduced in Morrowind.

>>15148459

I was comparing 3 and NV, and it was in 3 but not NV.

Honestly the best thing about FO3 is listening to enclave radio while running around the wasteland. Wish you could have joined the Enclave, although they really ramped up the evil factor

>>15148216

>>15148245

>muh stories

Only if you prefer CYOA to exploration and gameplay. Also, I think 3 and even 4 have better quest system. What I mean is you often discover sidequests from exploring empty areas and not talking to NPC's. They make good use of environmental storytelling.

>>15148305

>>15148459

What he meant is well thought item placement and level design. NV's unique items seem to be scattered randomly in comparison.

>>15148691

You're just trying to be contrarian for (you)s, aren't you?

>>15148281

>>15148033

Credit where credit is due

>>15146493

I bet every single one of those guys unironically joined the Railroad because Muh Discrimination. Virtual signalling in defense of walking computers.

>>15139288

Not only has OP not played any Fallout game, but he doesn't know the answer to a question that's been thoroughly answered for years now. He's either had his head so deep in the sand he could see China, or he's a newfag that likes to ask stupid questions instead of taking the time to do his own research. Add that he's a (1) and done faggot, and it's pretty clear he'd be better off posting on cuckchan like the lobotomized chimp that he is.

>>15149126

His PR skills are fucking abysmal. This is not how you handle criticism, even on a personal account.

>>15146476

I'd like to see how they react to Space Marines, especially the Black Templar.

>B-but Chaos has a right to exist, bigot

>>15148906

>2016 4chan caps

Alright but why

>>15149214

cause who else is actually talking about fallout 4 and its factions?

<Abolish the Golden Throne

Ok I'm done

>>15149561

The best part is that it wasnt even a game, just a pixel-art "proof of concept" for someone to make a game for her.

>>15149185

He sounds like "That" kid at school.

>>15148216

Am I retarded for enjoying reading these walls of text that rip a game appart?

There is just something satisfying about reading a long rant

>>15149873

I am with you on liking this, although it is a bitch to read on your phone sometimes

>>15149561

>the linework on the portrait that spills out of the frame (which is somehow also badly drawn)

>the misalignment of the sprites

>that dull tileset with awkward perspective

At least the sprites look passable. 3/10, see me after class.

>Is Fallout 3 really that bad?

[butcher pete plays in the distance]

>>15148694

I love Fallout 4, it's the best open world FPS game ever made in my opinion, nothing comes close. Call of Chernobyl might be, but that game is more boring, has less content, and has more flaws.

>>15139502

If you want the Sims with slightly better shooting mechanics play FO4. If you want an action RPG or a CRPG play any other Fallout.

It doesn't bother me. And I have all five of the games. Fo3 is better than 4 , gonna say it. NV is a masterpiece . 1 is good for it's Overhead perspective and diablo-like mechanics. 2 is hell incarnate. Nothing good to say about it

>>15149561

I will never understand why faggots get upset a theocratic dictatorship doesn't make genetically enhanced genocidal mutant slave soldiers out of women.

>>15150913

I've always wanted a sandbox sims game with shooting and killing since I was a little kid who played sims bustin out on the gba. FO4 was everything I hoped for. NV in comparison is just a mediocre RPG with generic and unengaging story. It failed at both being a sandbox shooter and being an RPG. And the gunplay is MUCH better, the framerate is a lot more consistent on my pc and the weapon animations and hit detection are just so much better.

>>15150947

>NV is a masterpiece

>2 is hell incarnate

I really hate you faggot.

Better than NV tbh

>>15151374

I honestly agree, and put up tactics as a failed fallout game as well, there was a lot wrong with that one

>>15151374

Brotherhood of Steel was much better than the original two games and certainly better than Fallout 3. Unlike the two broken original games that had an archaic and outdated turnbased spreadsheet thing instead of actual gameplay BoS was a fun game.

>>15151688

saved

>>15149945

anyone have the one where the NV is included with it being an eagle?

New Vegas is fucking S H I T. Do people seriously believe that NV is better than anything Bethesda made, or even an acceptable RPG at all? I mean, just look at this.

Ways to become powerful in Skyrim (the "least RPG" TES game):

>level up soultrap on a corpse, summon and kill the daedra in winterhold, and access the enchanted daedric arsenal creator

>use transmute ore to turn iron ores to gold and then to gold rings to level up 3-4 skills at once and for a huge net profit

>use shadowmere or m'aiq to level up every offensive skill

>grow alchemy material plants at home and level up alchemy very quickly plus making great profit

>use the restoration loop and make really powerful enchanted items, fortify health regeneration enchanted items are literally god mode

>etc

Ways to become powerful in New Vegas:

>kill non-respawning enemies for exp

>do quests for exp

>do chems for 5 minute boosts and be a nigger drug addict

>……..

>[get killed by deathclaw as a level 50 character in advanced body armor]

There's ZERO armor modification in New Vegas, there is ZERO alternative way of powering up your character, weapons have barely any customization, and anything you do your character is still a fucking bitch. There are so little things to do here unless the feature is scripted. It's a shit RPG and a boring linear game. Wait, since the progression is extremely linear and limited, it's not even an RPG actually, just a piece of shit like farcry, borderlands, and fallout 3.

>>15152602

Why there's no magic in science fiction game: the post

>>15152711

They could use nuclear powered gizmos or some stuff like, get creative.

>>15152750

Nuclear powered armour weapons and robots wasn't enough?

>>15152783

They weren't customizable enough.

>>15152799

Then play FO4 if that's really your biggest issue with the game.

>>15146445

>BoS returning to their roots in 4

>stockpiling nuclear weapons to go to war

>dropping nukes in the middle of an inhabited city

>destroying massive amounts of new technology and both medical and scientific research with no regard for preserving it

Bethesda attempted to go back to the BoS's roots for 4, but missed the two most important things about the BoS, the two core tenets of their ideology: prevent another nuclear war, and preserve as much technology as possible. 4 warps this into "use nuclear weapons to destroy technology", that is the exact opposite of what the BoS should be about.

>>15152812

Already did, FO4 is one of my favorite games of all time.

>>15153269

You're thinking of The Abbey in Fallout 2, which was inspired by The Canticle for Leibowitz novel. They're the religious pacifist group that preserves and hides technology in order to prevent another war that could destroy the whole planet. The BoS is a military group that preserves technology in order to be more powerful than the other factions despite all their propaganda. The Synth is more advanced and powerful than them, and therefore they need to destroy it.

>>15152602

>[get killed by deathclaw as a level 50 character in advanced body armor]

Git gud faggot.

>>15150830

Jesus fuck stop baiting.

While the gameplay and world overall is great accomplishment

Fallout 3 story/questline seems to be designed for children

I mean listen to this dialogue from New Vegas, is there a single fucking moment there that lives up to this writing?

https://youtu.be/TdUCQRAHnfw?t=272

>>15149126

Unrelated but why is a flag of Scanea hanging in a Spongebob picture.

>>15149126

And fuck the creation-club and Bethesda. Making any Bethesda-game with Creation-Club unplayable for the European people if you don't shut off the internet.

>>15153891

4's Deathclaws are still powerful but they don't cut through all your dr and dt and render your armor meaningless. You can survive OHK deathclaw attacks using ballistic woven clothing and external armor. 3 is just as bad as NV gameplay-wise.

>>15148216

That first pic is filled with straight up lies.

>you can't join most factions; you never even officially get to join the NCR

>most "factions" only have one or two fetch quests at most (hardly the robust questing and advancement system you might have seen in something like Morrowind's guilds)

>people like to make a big deal out of the faction relation system when, in reality, it was underdone and simplistic - only the NCR and the Legion really despise one another and will slaughter one another on sight - beyond this you're literally left with nothing more than a menu with varying percentages that matter very little in the world itself

>the "branching questlines" amount to three or four rather mundane choices at most that are totally lacking in moral ambiguity or subtlety - there's always an optimal choice, and that choice is always obvious

>the claim that these quests follow some long, multifaceted thread throughout all 170 locations is total bullshit - a lot of these places are generic instances with nothing at the end of them (not even unique loot)

Obsidian drones are the worst. That pozzed piece of shit "pillars of eternity" showed that the only thing separating Obsidian from the rest was their poor work ethic.

anyone know of a place to get dallout 4 mods not allowed on nexus?

>>15156272

>4's Deathclaws are still powerful but they don't cut through all your dr and dt and render your armor meaningless.

They should. They're fucking death claws. An you can survive hits from deathclaws using certain drugs and items.

>>15139202

Yes.

I would give explanation but you really need to play any FPS alongside F3.

>>15156848

I think you want Loverslab.

>>15148081

Hardly rocket science, mark some tick boxes in the launcher then load a save set at that point, done.

>>15148216

>mindelssly killing everything he sees, then stealing their desk fans so he can duct tape bits of them onto his gun

Marvellous stuff.

>>15148216

Fallout 3 had a violin?

>>15144934

Well, this wasn't a great idea.

If there's one thing to be said in its favour its that it's fucking ugly, they got 'Wasteland' down alright. I forgot how slow it was, even with a sprint mod getting around takes forever. Fucking drab TUNNELS ad nauseam, just endless metroshit christ it's dull and did I mention ugly? It's still better than FO4, Mamma Murphy alone makes that thing trash fodder.

The weather mod (bar the radioactive rain bit) is decent, same for the streetlights.

Why are there so many threads about this fucking awful series?

>>15149561

>that portrait is supposed to denote a female

What disgusting times we live in.

>>15151856

Whoever edited that is a raging faggot who knew the original sentiment of the 'game is' broken and ghouls=mudslime' was right and turned it into (((I'M WITH HER)))

>>15152602

Skyrim is too easy because of all that shit, there's *too many* ways to become OP and break the game Make an alchemy suit to make a potion to make an enchanting suit to make an alchemy suit to make a potion and rinse and repeat until nothing can touch you. It's just shit in a different way.

>>15153891

>same shit applies to 3

You can craft a poison gun that paralyzes their legs.

>>15158740

>They should

No they shouldn't. NV's Deathclaws were extremely overpowered. FO1 and 2's deathclaws were more akin to the ones in FO4, powerful but a high level well equiped character can withstand their attacks just fine.

>>15160212

Morrowind and Oblivion were VERY much easier to break than Skyrim. Skyrim is the most balanced modern TES game to date.

>>15139202

Oh, you don't even know. /v/ LOVED Fallout 3 when it first came out. Then when some anon decided it sucked, a bunch of sycophants started to agree (because no one wants to be left off the bandwagon), and when NV came out (which is the same game with better textures and a different story), the bloom fell off the rose, so to speak.

>>15139202

Fallout 3 is like a shitty beta for the decent game that was Fallout NV, which was only really great with mods anyway.

>>15160598

I call bullshit

Reminder that Fallout 3 is acceptable game, even if it doesnt reach the heights of NV, its still has engaging storylines and dialogue thats better than 4

76 is every bad decision you could possibly make with a sequel, every decision destroys Roleplaying Elements

DIALOGUE IS EMOJIIS FOR FUCKS SAKE, THERE ARE NO FUCKING NPCS

Daily reminder that Fallout New Vegas is a bad game that suffers most of the problems that Fallout 3 suffers from, including mediocre gunplay (and general medicore combat), poor RPG elements and above all a boring world trapped in a buggy, ancient engine.

It's better than Fallout 3 and 4 by a long shot, but it's still a terrible game.

>>15160598

It was mocked and derided as oblivion with guns you revisionist newfag.

>>15160525

>Skyrim

>balanced

You persist with this bait and it is middling at best.

>>15160598

>>15164485

Both are true, it's just a question of numbers.

I could never finish the dlcs/expansions because it kept crashing all the time on my 360 so I just gave up.

>>15165263

dead money just annoyed the fuck out of me to be honest, but the other three are pretty good, old world blues is just an amazing ride all the way through

>>15140771

Wow that's a bunch of dynamic characters that could not possibly be modeled or animated by Bethesda.

>>15164422

>its still has engaging storylines and dialogue thats better than 4

Why the fuck do storyline and dialogue even matter so much in a video fucking game you nigger. Btw, 3's story still had a lot more emotion than NV's utterly dull one.

>>15164469

>boring world

FO3 didn't have this problem.

>better than Fallout 3 and 4 by a long shot

Lol no, 4 is miles better than NV.

>>15139230

>and incredibly uninteresting DLCs safe for perhaps Project Anchorage.

Are you trolling? The DLCs were the best part of 3, with Anchorage unironically being the worst one, although it was good. Just at the bottom of the list. NV on the other hand had a more solid base game but the DLCs in NV are complete fucking garbage that make you want to blow your brains out. OWB was the only half tolerable one and even that got annoying in the last quarter of it.

>>15139202

>>15139886

>massive failure story telling

You started out as a kid and grew up in the vault, that wasn't a failure.

the failure was new vegas you are some random nobody you get shot and im supposed to give a shit about this person because he is the main character?

>>15139230

Completely wrong and dumbshit fanboy

Fallout 3 actually had more stuff than fallout 1 and 2.

the reason people were mad was because the dark humor was lost, they had to do that because bethesda were a larger company, the only reason fallout 1 and 2 were able to be so dark was because it was just a project that the company had and they let the devs do whatever they wanted with 1 million dollars, it wasn't even marketed to the public and it wasn't even their main flagship games, it was some random thing that could have failed or could have succeeded, it wouldn't have been any difference. because of this they didn't care what was in the game so they didn't have to set a esrb rating.

Fallout new vegas was very linear. more linear than fallout 3.

New vegas literally could have been its own game but it rode on the coattails of fallout, it was far off from a fall out game something fallout 3 captured perfectly.

>>15139230

It's not even comparable to the TES games (prior to Skyrim). The sidequests can be counted on your fingers and the amount of settlements are so few. The world is incredibly empty with nothing good to do.

OP, get the Wanderer's edition of Fallout, the Monater Mod and EVE and treat this like a /k/ommando game. It has no fun value in it otherwise.

>>15166359

>4 is miles better than NV.

Seriously now, the rope is calling you. 4 was utterly retarded.

>>15156848

>NV's Deathclaws were extremely overpowered

That's why they were in places that you would have to go out of your way to encounter them moron. The game knew this and only placed them in late game areas or as natural barriers.

>powerful but a high level well equipped character can withstand their attacks just fine.

You can do the same shit in NV. You just have to have an IQ that the average FO4 player doesn't have.

>>15166359

>Why the fuck do storyline and dialogue even matter so much in a video fucking game you nigger

>"Why do role playing aspects matter so much in a role playing game?"

This is how retarded you sound. End your life.

>>15166547

>That's why they were in places that you would have to go out of your way to encounter them moron. The game knew this and only placed them in late game areas or as natural barriers.

That's not the problem tard. Deathclaws make you feel like your character never can be godlike even at maximum level.

>You can do the same shit in NV.

Highest level character can withstand like 4 deathclaw blows, at most.

nothing about 4s quests or dialogue remotely even reaches close to its prequels

its atrocious that they tried to force Skyrims extremely limited bullshit structure into 4

i love the worlds you know as locations, but they fucked up any resemblence of lore and storylines that existed

nobody should be excusing them of going even further by FUCKING REMOVING it completely in 76, and expanding the map by add tons of empty land, its INEXCUSABLE AND LAZY

>>15167310

Fuckoff Reddit

>>15167346

Bethesda has always preferred exploration to quests and dialogue. Look at how Arena and Daggerfall were.

>>15167402

Yeah, this is a bad thing. RPG's aren't really fun if they halt your character progression. RPG should let the player do anything.

>>15167410

>>15167402

>>15167303

New Vegas literally lets you decide the fate of a major part of the post apocalypse world. You, not anyone else, you make all the important decisions. You are literally God. Death Claws can easily be one shotted with the right build. If you want a game that makes you feel like God play Half Life 2.

>>15167410

if you really want to be immersed, you need a world thats dangerous and NOT under your control, thats roleplay

your idea is a compromise, that usually is worth sacrificing

>>15167410

>RPG should let the player do anything.

>even any semblance of challenge

Just use cheat engine then you homo

>>15167354

>unironically posting Boomer memes

>tells others to kill themselves

>>15167410

There's no fun to be had when you know that even the toughest enemy the game can throw at you can be easily taken care of. Real fun is fighting something that can clearly kill something leagues more deadly than you and coming out on top.

>>15167410

Well at least you're dedicated. Shine on crazy baitman.

>>15167432

>>15167440

>>15167447

In an RPG, power is earned not given. I'm okay with starting as a really weak character but in the end I should easily overpower anything, even better when invincible.

>>15167425

>you make all the important decisions

Those decisions are all illusions, they have not much impact on the gameplay itself, all they do is changing the end credit. A good RPG (and video games in general) has to be tangible.

>>15167457

>Those decisions are all illusions, they have not much impact on the gameplay itself, all they do is changing the end credit. A good RPG (and video games in general) has to be tangible.

What the fuck do you mean tangible.

>>15167468

The numbers get bigger!

>>15167475

Properly earned, properly rewarding.

>>15167475

Unironically true, RPG's are all about stats.

>>15166415

>the failure was new vegas you are some random nobody you get shot and im supposed to give a shit about this person because he is the main character?

Do you really not understand role playing? You are playing the role, the character is a stand in for what you want to do in that situation, the situation is that YOU get shot in the head, of course you're supposed to care.

>You started out as a kid and grew up in the vault, that wasn't a failure.

Are you really of the opinion that every character has to be some special chosen one faggot for a story to be interesting? How is that more interesting at all than just some random schmuck who ended up in the middle of a power struggle

>>15167457

You're a human being fighting a 10+-foot mutated lizard. I can understand taking hits from other humans and even Securitrons, but Deathclaws can and should be able to kill a person in a few hits. If you have a problem with that, then use guns for their intended purpose and attack from a distance. Alternatively, use tactics like crippling the legs with explosives.

>>15167499

While I absolutely disagree that NV's story is interesting in the slightest, I agree that having it's a better setup for roleplaying than FO3's main character. Actually being the chosen one is more interesting, but it makes you feel like the game has predetermined a role for you.

>>15167518

I fucking know how to kill a deathclaw, I just don't like it how I'm always feeling weak even as a level capped character with 20 perks. Let me say this again, RPG should be limitless in every regard. Who cares if I'm a human, Fallout is a fantasy game anyway.

>>15167523

>Actually being the chosen one is more interesting

How can you think that at all? It's so played out and makes you feel as you accomplish nothing and that everything was just conveniently set up for you.

>>15167538

>RPG should be limitless in every regard.

That's just retarded, being limited to a role is a staple of RPGs, it adds to the replay value and makes you think about different things. The whole "level up until you're superhuman at everything" is the most boring unimaginative thing I can think of

>>15167538

>I just don't like it how I'm always feeling weak even as a level capped character with 20 perks

I don't like being unnaturally good at everything and being able to kill Hulk-like beings with a 2x4 because the game told me I played a lot of baseball. There's no fun in being able to turn everything into a bloody pulp without even trying.

>Who cares if I'm a human, Fallout is a fantasy game anyway

Then do what Pete Hines does and throw out estabilshed lore because "lol it's just bideo james who cares".

Everything Bethesda made after Oblivion is objectively bad.

>shitty plot

>unmemorable characters

>you become the leader of everything in 2 missions

>NO ROLEPLAYING other than a yes/no every 10 hours

>bland open world

>shitty side quests

This applies to fucking everything they made.

>>15167568

Oblivion is trash.

>>15167568

The side quests in Oblivion weren't too bad. Maybe it's just because the main quests are shit, but the Dark Brotherhood's quests were pretty fun to go through, especially the one where you have to kill a house of people without anyone noticing the murders.

>>15167303

>Deathclaws make you feel like your character never can be godlike even at maximum level.

Except you can if you use certain drugs and armor. Jesus fuck do your research.

>Highest level character can withstand like 4 deathclaw blows, at most.

That's more forgiving than most half good RPG's and even then healing items in NV work instantly.

>>15167310

Ok so you're baiting then? the Fallout games are objectively RPG's you tard. 4 is shit bcause it's an action game with RPG elements tacked on.

>>15167538

>RPG should be limitless in every regard.

>"should"

Ok stop you fucking retard. Just stop posting. The only reply I get from you better be an in depth reasoning for why an RPG "should" be anything according to your normalfag logic. Because as I see it you're confusing "objective" with "subjective" and you're doing a piss poor job at being subtle about it. God forbid an RPG don't make the gameplay revolve around your abilities and allow you to immerse yourself by making smart actions due to the fact that you're not an all mighty god of death that can clear entire settlements with a plasma rifle and a bag full of stinpaks.

>>15167577

It's better than Skyrim.

>>15167539

Gameplay wise, of course it's less fun. But it makes a more interesting story. Like the chosen one in Fallout 2, I love how people react when your character is retarded despite being chosen. It gives some character to your blank slate person, and makes NPC's in the world care about you.

>>15167547

>>15167615

It's a subjective opinion to want to play as a god, admittedly. You want to keep roleplaying as a peasant while I want to grow up to be a god, that's fine.

And objectively, an RPG that doesn't let the player get too powerful is an RPG that limits customization of the character. That makes it a bad RPG.

>revolve around your abilities and allow you to immerse yourself by making smart actions

And how do you think godhood in an RPG should be earned? By doing all of those stuff in your peasanthood. That gives peasanthood a purpose.

>normalfag logic

Normalfags love non-RPG garbage like dark souls and witcher though.

>>15167568

You just described Oblivion, Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, etc. Except becoming a leader of everything in two missions, that's bullshit.

>bland open world

This applies to every Bethesda game that isn't Fallout, Morrowind, and Skyrim.

>>15167584

>Except you can if you use certain drugs and armor. Jesus fuck do your research.

I know how it works, see my criticism >>15152602

>That's more forgiving than most half good RPG's and even then healing items in NV work instantly.

Then they aren't good RPG's if they let the absolutely most powerful character get whacked.

>>15167706

It does when you can mod Oblivion to make it a decent game. Can't do anything with Skyrim other than make it a decent porn game.

>>15143894

Can you give me the song names for those?

>>15167616

Nope. The skill levels are capped and the generic bandits wear daedric armor due to the shitty level scaling.

>>15167697

>Except in NV you can become insanely OP.

Against people and other stuff, but not deathclaws.

>You just have to actually put effort into it instead of grinding and selecting overpowered perks like you can in the other games.

>But you're obviously fully capable of killing deathclaws in NV with ease after you understand the games mechanics.

I fucking know how to kill a deathclaw easily, but I want to roleplay as a character who gets ganged up by alpha deathclaws without feeling anything. I know that you can beat Morrowind's main quest at level 15, but I want to be a god, that's why I use the alchemy loop. RPG should let you become ANYTHING, that's why they're RPG in the first place.

>And you like FO4. Which is as normalfag as it gets.

Normalfags hate FO4. Yes, pseudo intellectuals who can't competently form their own opinions and reasoning are normalfags too.

>Which you completely ignored half of which. There's several expendable items in the game that aren't drugs that improve abilities as well as many that are. There's also several different types of armors, weapons and followers that can aid you in this. Again, get a more thorough argument.

That's a hyperbolic joke retard. My argument is TES lets you do a whole lot more stuff than Fallout. Armors, potions, wearable items, spells, weapons, are all fully customizable. Unlike Fallout.

>I get the feeling you're the kind of faggot that bitches when his tank strategy doesn't work in Dark Souls.

No, I just want an actual RPG.

>>15167734

>it'd probably take as much effort to fix it as it would to just make a new game.

Make a new game? No. It would be a good amount of effort though. Good news is that the nips worked on it a lot so you can find some quality mods. It's a lot of work though you aren't wrong.

>>15167777

>Against people and other stuff, but not deathclaws.

Yes deathclaws. You can melee them to death with a fucking stick if you want provided you have the right stats and gear.

>I fucking know how to kill a deathclaw easily

Apparently not.

>but I want to roleplay as a character who gets ganged up by alpha deathclaws without feeling anything

In other words you want to be in a sandbox game instead of an RPG? Again, this is why I'm stating you have no fucking clue what the difference between subjective and objective is. It's not an RPG staple to be able to be a god by the end of the game. It's an aspect most shitty RPG's have however.

>RPG should let you become ANYTHING

Not if it breaks the boundaries the game set. At no point in the shittier fallout games are you revered as a god. In fact you're threatened almost constantly by limp wristed raiders while you're in a tanked out power suit carrying a minigun. Apparently this is the sign of a "good" RPG though.

>Normalfags hate FO4

kek no. Most people who play that shit are int the Battlefield or COD audience.

>That's a hyperbolic joke retard.

Your entire argument is a joke.

>My argument is TES lets you do a whole lot more stuff than Fallout. Armors, potions, wearable items, spells, weapons, are all fully customizable. Unlike Fallout.

That was never your fucking argument you faggot. TES wasn't even on the table until now. And yet you're still ignoring how you can EASILY kill deathclaws with the right setup.

>No, I just want an actual RPG.

Play New Vegas and quit bitching that 1 enemy in the game doesn't appeal to your retarded standards that have no logical or objective sense.

>>15140697

is that a bane post pre bane?

>>15139202

>>15139230

>absolutely cuckchan

There are many reasons this game is shit and the biggest on is that it's fucking boring as all hell. The gun play is shit that revolves around just standing there shooting. The "rpg" portion is just choosing a bunch of +5% perks and doing someone's chores or chasing the main character around all game.

>>15167836

>Yes deathclaws. You can melee them to death with a fucking stick if you want provided you have the right stats and gear.

But you're still vulnerable to their claws due to the retarded 100% armor penetration that makes no sense.

>Apparently not.

I can kill them easily at early levels using the shotgun knockback perk and whatever that perk is that increases limb damage. At late levels, the slayer perk. But it's still not comparable to how powerful I was in FO2 and FO4, let alone Skyrim, thanks to all the customization.

>In other words you want to be in a sandbox game instead of an RPG?

You're a retarded jrpg/cyoa player if you don't think that sandbox isn't an integral aspect of an absolute RPG.

>It's not an RPG staple to be able to be a god by the end of the game.

But it is an RPG staple to let players customize the character however they want and make clever use of the system even if it's against the system itself, and it's an RPG staple too to have player progression.

>It's an aspect most shitty RPG's have however.

Maybe you're just clueless or have a shit taste.

>Not if it breaks the boundaries the game set.

It's good to have boundaries, every RPG should have boundaries, but it would be a masterpiece if the system was so customizable that seemingly unbreakable boundaries could be broken. Like how Skyrim and Morrowind do it with their alchemy and other so-called exploits, especially for Morrowind. That's what roleplaying is.

>Apparently this is the sign of a "good" RPG though.

If it's earned and not given, it is.

>That was never your fucking argument you faggot. TES wasn't even on the table until now.

Seems like you have no reading comprehension. Or are you too newfag to read the ID?

>Play New Vegas

No.

>no logical or objective sense

Your arguments aren't objective.

>>15167927

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15151856

I think the comic went way over your head.

>>15160194

>who knew the original sentiment of the 'game is' broken and ghouls=mudslime

Are you retarded or something since when did

>Din do nuffin

>Hands up don't shoot

or

>They was good boys getting they life on track

Ever apply to mudslimes

>>15167927

>But you're still vulnerable to their claws due to the retarded 100% armor penetration that makes no sense.

Which is evaded with certain expendables.

>But it's still not comparable to how powerful I was in FO2 and FO4, thanks to all the customization.

You're confusing customization with broken stats now. Jesus you can't get anything right.

>You're a retarded jrpg/cyoa player if you don't think that sandbox isn't an integral aspect of an absolute RPG.

>jrpg

>has nothing to do with sandbox mechanics

Holy fuck just stop posting.

>But it is an RPG staple to let players customize the character however they want

You can't in any game if you want to be technical about it. There's features I want in every game that's not in them, doesn't make them poor. And not being able to be a god is not a negative attribute towards an RPG. And yet you STILL can't bring an objective reasoning as to why that is.

>Maybe you're just clueless or have a shit taste.

Wow what a well thought out and well cited argument you have there. I'll state this shit again. Explain exactly why NOT being a god towards the end of a game is a negative aspect to an RPG. Explain why making the game EASIER the later you progress into it is a GOOD thing. Jesus fuck faggot use your words.

>but it would be a masterpiece if the system was so customizable that seemingly unbreakable boundaries could be broken

>"it's a mark of a great game to break its rules and stop being challenging"

Fucking hell man you're nothing but hot air. No substance to anything you post.

>That's what roleplaying is.

What? Breaking the aspects that make it a role playing game by breaking any realism withing the games narrative or context? You're defeating your own arguments here moron. Still waiting for you to defend why it's a good thing that low level enemies in your chosen preference of games to challenge your broken character for no logical reason.

>If it's earned and not given, it is

And it's not in FO3 or 4. It's accumulating stats and perks through grinding instead of actually engaging in the games universe.

>Seems like you have no reading comprehension

I'm reading our discussion dipshit. You haven't brought up TES once in it and you told me to read your post about why NV had bad ways to become powerful. Even if you reference Skyrim in it, it has nothing to do with what you're stating which is that you found Death Claws to be OP. Which they aren't if you aren't brain dead retarded.

>No

Then don't. And continue being wrong. You're out of arguments.

>Your arguments aren't objective

>No U

Continue being retarded then.

>>a little difficulty that makes you more aware of the world is gamebreaking

please go back to playing cod

>>15167647

lol you type like a faggot and your shits all retarded. go play saints row 3 where you can unlock invincibility then this shit isn't fun its mindless.

All wRPGs after 2000 are shit. That includes the shitty hybrid Fallout series.

>>15160209

You failed to see my point. Fallout 3 was regular RPG with guns. Guns have the problem of really being unsatisfying to use in realistic situation unless they work like guns. This is why bulletsponges are so fucking annoying in games.

Entire gore you are talking about actually helped a lot. Problem is it is reliant on graphics and F3 is really outdated like you can suspect. It is also one of the shooters on realistic side so movement and other stuff is lost compared to stuff like Quake.

It really is Oblivion with guns, minus all things that made Oblivion good.

Also what you are talking about is just a point against Morrowind more than it is point for F3. Lets not lie dice rolls aren't that fun, especially in real time first person game.

>>15167303

There has to be *something* that challenges you or what's the fucking point, you've won as soon as you pick up the controller.

>>15160091

This is trying my patience now, the fucking game crashes more than a chink with glaucoma.Shot Treenig in the back of the head as soon as I met him to shut his ass up but still the radio still became insufferable fast. Radio mods are essential to retain sanity, also killable children.

>Wanna go somewhere?

>METRO TUNNELS

>SEWER

>shitters waiting for you at the door

>x100000000

How the fuck is killing The Family off a bad karma event? Those niggers are self confessed vampires who do it for NO FUCKING REASON other than being piece of shit edgelords. 'Learn our laws' he says, there's like 5 of you, get fucking missile'd you cunts. Mouthy SJW from The Railroad jumps me and pushes "Androids didnunuffink and are people cos that's my opinion" noise at me so I decapitated her. There's so many degenerate pieces of shit in this abortion I'm gonna have to purge the wastes, all the ghouls, synth sympathisers, whores, niggers, anyone who talks shit, I'm Very Evil apparently not even trying yet, I think I stole too many bits of scrap, the karma is even more retarded than I remembered. Save a town get a modest bump to 'Friend of the People' or whatever then go steal 40 pencils and you're suddenly King Cunt of the Wastes again.

>>15167989

>Which is evaded with certain expendables.

I want to roleplay as a character that can face it, not evade it.

>You're confusing customization with broken stats now.

Define broken. Is it anything you don't like?

>has nothing to do with sandbox mechanics

???

>And yet you STILL can't bring an objective reasoning as to why that is.

>Explain exactly why NOT being a god towards the end of a game is a negative aspect to an RPG. Explain why making the game EASIER the later you progress into it is a GOOD thing.

Because difficulty in a ROLEPLAYING game should be meant to reflect how far your character has come to, more than giving you a balanced gameplay. And of course the biggest character progression is to see a limp wristed faggot trying to work their way into becoming a god. Because it's a ROLEPLAYING, it's only natural for the difficulty curve and character's vulnerability to go from really high to really low as your character learns more stuff and gathers better equipment. If you want to play as the same faggot who never progresses again you should play Doom instead.

>Breaking the aspects that make it a role playing game by breaking any realism withing the games narrative or context?

Because freedom and world manipulation is an essential thing to every RPG? And it's not breaking realism within the game if it's still within the world's system. If a character finds a life hack within the system, let them be. There's a difference between a bug (eg an npc that can be persuaded over and over again until your speech level goes 100) and a world manipulation (using fortify smart to make your character smarter to make even smarter potion). There's nothing rulebreaking about that, you just found a way to exploit the system to your advantage while still obeying the rules.

>And it's not in FO3 or 4. It's accumulating stats and perks through grinding instead of actually engaging in the games universe.

FO3 and FO4? Not really, they're just your usual Fallout progression system, albeit FO4 lets you do a lot more things, but it's still not a game where you grind. This kind of grinding only exists in Elder Scrolls, and it's actually logical that a player that grinds will be better than those who don't. Like in real life, people who practice are more experienced than those who refuse to.

>You haven't brought up TES once

Scroll up.

>Continue being retarded then.

No u.

>>15169963

>I want to roleplay as a character that can face it, not evade it.

You are facing it moron. Again, be more objective.

>Define broken. Is it anything you don't like?

As in being so OP that the games universe doesn't even acknowledge it. Which is what I specifically defined if you payed attention.

>???

I take it you've never played a jrpg before then?

>Because difficulty in a ROLEPLAYING game should be meant to reflect how far your character has come to,

No it shouldn't. There's no precedent or rule that dictates this in a game.

>more than giving you a balanced gameplay

Again, opinions.

>And of course the biggest character progression is to see a limp wristed faggot trying to work their way into becoming a god.

That's not a "character" progression. That's a power progression that barely tells anything about your character. The biggest mistake many RPG's make is thinking that you characters power is mutually adaptable to a character or personality. And apparently one you fell for.

> it's only natural for the difficulty curve and character's vulnerability to go from really high to really low as your character learns more stuff and gathers better equipment

And it's only natural for a GAME to get more and more difficult as you progress in it. Objectively a game is bad if it becomes easier as you play it. It's rewarding you with less involvement in the universe by being so overpowered that you no longer can communicate with it on realistic or understandable terms. There's only a few games that actually acknowledge you as a god or powerfully figure. And none of the games you listed as good do that.

>If you want to play as the same faggot who never progresses again you should play Doom instead.

And again you're making leaps in jugement. I'm not stating your character can't become more powerful. I'm stating that the RP in an RPG becomes less and less involved on a narrative and gameplay aspect the more powerful you get.

>Because freedom and world manipulation is an essential thing to every RPG?

And both of which can be accomplished without being OP.

>And it's not breaking realism within the game if it's still within the world's system.

And I've stated it's not with specific examples you tard.

>There's nothing rulebreaking about that,

There is when the world doesn't acknowledge it.

>you just found a way to exploit the system to your advantage while still obeying the rules.

In other words the developers were lazy and you found an exploit. Sure it's not rule breaking. But it's not good game design either.

>FO4

>but it's still not a game where you grind

Are you absolutely retarded? The entire game is nothing but a cycle of finding a quest, getting loot, and then spending that loot on your town. Repeat until board. It's the definition of grind.

>Scroll up

In this discussion moron. If you're not going to acknowledge what I post then don't bother replying.

>No u

Thanks for proving my point.

>>15172482

>You are facing it moron.

No, I'm supposed to snipe like a pussy or hit before it hits me.

>As in being so OP that the games universe doesn't even acknowledge it.

The game world doesn't need to acknowledge everything, you can unravel secrets they don't know.

>No it shouldn't. There's no precedent or rule that dictates this in a game.

There is. There's a reason why stats play an important factor in an rpg.

>Again, opinions.

Just basic principles of RPG.

>That's not a "character" progression. That's a power progression that barely tells anything about your character.

This is how your character is defined in an RPG, through power and abilities and how NPC's see you. Outside them, it wouldn't be roleplaying, only the devs assigning stuff to your character like in a regular video game.

>The biggest mistake many RPG's make is thinking that you characters power is mutually adaptable to a character or personality.

Sounds like you're the mistake. RPG is combat oriented, it's not a dating sim or a CYOA. Therefore, a character is best defined through combat ability enhancing attributes.

>And it's only natural for a GAME to get more and more difficult as you progress in it.

RPG doesn't need to follow the conventional gaming principles. It's supposed to create a world rather than video game levels. As you've said before (I think) there's generally more realism in RPG than in non-RPG's. Yes there is difficulty curve in form of diversely leveled enemies, but the way the character faces them is up to the player themselves.

>It's rewarding you with less involvement in the universe by being so overpowered that you no longer can communicate with it on realistic or understandable terms

It's quite realistic isn't it? The richer someone gets in real life the less he cares about the world around him, maybe he'd also forget the reason of his existence. This is why in Daggerfall, Septim would send mercenaries after you if you abandoned the main quest for too long, they knew it would happen.

>There's only a few games that actually acknowledge you as a god or powerfully figure.

Morrowind actually does through how NPC's greet you according to your wealth and appearance. Skyrim does too somewhat but it doesn't feel very special compared to Morrowind, NPC's understand how far your skills have progressed.

>And both of which can be accomplished without being OP.

If the game arbitrarily restricts the player from progressing from their own will, the game basically hates freedom.

>In other words the developers were lazy and you found an exploit. Sure it's not rule breaking. But it's not good game design either.

Or the developer finds nothing wrong with the exploits.

>The entire game is nothing but a cycle of finding a quest, getting loot, and then spending that loot on your town. Repeat until board. It's the definition of grind.

That's not very grindy, most RPG's are like that. What's really grindy is training your skills through repetition, like in Elder Scrolls.

>In this discussion moron.

I don't know who replied first, but it's still relevant.

>Thanks for proving my point.

You're a robot without any sense of humor.

>>15173768

>No, I'm supposed to snipe like a pussy or hit before it hits me.

What were you looking at when you were reading my posts and I said explicitly that you could fucking melee the fucking things and take a reasonable amount of damage? Jesus fuck dude get a brain.

>The game world doesn't need to acknowledge everything, you can unravel secrets they don't know.

Makes 0 fucking sense. If the devs don't implicate a concept then I'm not going to be able to "unravel" it am I?

>The game world doesn't need to acknowledge everything, you can unravel secrets they don't know.

And stats have nothing to do with this. Jesus fuck USE EXAMPLES OR FACTS YOU DUMB NIGGER.

>Just basic principles of RPG.

Except they aren't. Point to the royal book of RPG's that states this as a fact. Go ahead I'll wait.

>This is how your character is defined in an RPG

No the narrative or story does that. As in, what defines a setting or character.

>through power and abilities and how NPC's see you

And yet you still can't defend the fact that NPC's don't see you as a giant hulking power armor wearing badass with a minigun. Yet, to you FO4 is still a good game despite doing this.

>Outside them, it wouldn't be roleplaying, only the devs assigning stuff to your character like in a regular video game.

The entire point of a role playing game is that you can assume any one of those roles. Not just how powerful you are.

>Sounds like you're the mistake. RPG is combat oriented, it's not a dating sim or a CYOA.

No it's NARRATIVE oriented. As in, role playing a NARRATIVE in a game. As in PLAYING A ROLE. Vampire Masquerade's combat is garbage. But it's still a solid RPG.

>As you've said before (I think) there's generally more realism in RPG than in non-RPG's

Realism isn't the problem here. A cohesive narrative is.

>but the way the character faces them is up to the player themselves.

Except you just said there's no way to face a death claw when I pointed out there's several.

>The richer someone gets in real life the less he cares about the world around him

Except this isn't reflected in FO4 at all. And on top of that you're acting like this is a necessary narrative that EVERY RPG should have you fucking moron.

>Morrowind actually does through how NPC's greet you according to your wealth and appearance

No they don't. At least not in any meaningful way. Especially when it comes to the main plot. And as a funny kick in your ass I'll also state that New Vegas does a better job of this than FO4 or 3 by making your stats actually effect the dialog more keenly. Like in the recruit training segment where your knowledge of explosives comes into play and benefits the quest.

>If the game arbitrarily restricts the player from progressing from their own will, the game basically hates freedom.

You're confusing restrictions for limitations. RPG's can be restricted in order to allow a more cohesive narrative to occur. Otherwise it's just the ratarded shit you see in FO3 and your abilities have no reflection on the world itself. Gothic is a great example of having a very limited amount of abilities. But when you do so much as wear better armor (of which there's only half a dozen) the NPC's will remark about it because there was a reasonable amount of time in the dev process to acknowledge all of them. Unlike in other games that have hundreds of sets and don't even bother.

>Or the developer finds nothing wrong with the exploits.

And the developer is retarded for allowing game breaking mechanics in the first place. "freedom" is just your way of whining that you aren't allowed to play the game while you pick your nose.

>That's not very grindy, most RPG's are like that

And most RPG's are shit.

>What's really grindy is training your skills through repetition, like in Elder Scrolls.

It's a better principle than just getting general XP and dumping it into something you've actually had no practice in. Which actually reflects the learning process. Oblivion came close to doing this well but fucked up with the minor and major skill aspects. But there's much less grind in actually using the weapons you want to use to gain specific XP for that skill than just doing the same cycle over and over again.

>I don't know who replied first, but it's still relevant.

It's not when this discussion had nothing to do with TES at that point.

>You're a robot without any sense of humor.

And your posting about why shit games are good on a video game board. Your sins far outweigh mine here jackass. Let me guess? You were baiting this whole time and pretending to be retarded?