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File: 92ab00c23b2e049⋯.jpg (43.76 KB, 620x355, 124:71, Eco.jpg)

File: 5806cde5bee4323⋯.jpg (224.39 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Eco_2018-07-07_13_8682.jpg)

File: 302f147ed399325⋯.jpg (188.3 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Eco_2018-07-07_15_7421.jpg)

File: 52269d48f608f99⋯.jpg (282.67 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Eco_2018-07-07_12_7762.jpg)

1206d4 No.15122987

Feeling bored in the summer heat? Take a trip to the lush forests and HDR enhanced beaches of Space Nigeria once again, and be bored inside a videogame instead! Then wreck it all with ugly shacks, minmax glass domes, surface mines and oil drilling operations!

>What is this shit?

Eco is a game about bringing civilization to a shithole planet which is set to be destroyed by an asteroid in 30 real-time days. You need to conduct research, produce various resources and food, and work together with everyone to create a functioning economy, pass laws, build a road network, and finally shoot down the meteor.

<TLDR it's like Wurm x Tekkit x Factorio

>Bet it's Early Access shit, I ain't buying it, shill

Pirate version download will be posted below, CTRL-F for "server info"

1206d4 No.15123007

File: 3a34112a3bf1592⋯.jpg (139.99 KB, 739x618, 739:618, opera_2018-07-08_08_9004.jpg)

SERVER INFO

Game version: 0.7.5.1

Download: https://mega.nz/#!11hTmY6Q!MUJs38hkH8Bp6WwlHDq77so1tSTBSobX011OYiuA5dg

Installation:

>unrar

>Click "change login.vbs", enter username, OK, enter some random shit, OK

<if you get an error when trying to open change login.vbs:

>go to %USERPROFILE%\AppData\LocalLow\Strange Loop Games\Eco

>make a file called "login.eco"

>inside it, put

{"Username":"dickbutt","LoginToken":"somerandomshitlongerthan10characters"}

>change both of the fields to something else, otherwise you might have login issues

>if you ever get a login screen when starting the game, enter your username and a random password

Server IP: 84.200.24.3:3060

Web interface: http://84.200.24.3:3061/index.html

Currently no password, but if it ever asks, "vidya"

>on main menu, click Join, then click the green + in top right corner, enter IP there

>mods are loaded automatically when you join

<if you crash on joining, you just have to keep retrying, sometimes it can take 20+ attempts to get in (if you get in once, in the future you won't have to try as many times)

Server should be up from now for the next 28 days. Currently on day 2.


1206d4 No.15123027

File: 222fe6ead961a16⋯.jpg (463.02 KB, 1909x1049, 1909:1049, Eco_2018-04-21_09_9109.jpg)

File: 70fb9a8408d5d63⋯.jpg (415.77 KB, 1909x1049, 1909:1049, Eco_2018-04-21_09_7375.jpg)

GAMEPLAY INFO

Do the tutorial if it's your first time playing. You can skip specific tasks that are stupid, ie. "look at the meteor".

It takes research/skill books to unlock tech, usually all unlocked books are available at the Library (ask others for location, subject to change). Right click on a book to get a skill scroll, then right click on scroll to learn tech.

You can change the chat format by pressing Tab, then C.

When cutting trees, make sure to remove the tree stump (prevents regrowth of the tree) and the branches (blocks foliage growth).

If you need building materials, ask/check the economy tab (Y) to see who is selling them, you can get a much better deal than trying to make it yourself.

Don't spend skill points on Hunting, Digging, Mining, Logging. SP can be refunded, but you lose 30% of invested SP on each refund.

Farming does not work like in other games, if you just plant a bunch of shit in a random location, you will get very poor results. Read https://eco.gamepedia.com/Agriculture, use map overlays and if you can get one, a Soil Sampler.

<if something natively grows in a location, you can usually plant it right there though


83ab65 No.15123164

>>15123027

Have any tips on maximizing skill points from houses?


1206d4 No.15123195

>>15123164

Build rooms, you can check the wiki https://eco.gamepedia.com/Housing#Room_Types


cbe715 No.15123203

File: b7a5c86e8573b26⋯.gif (2.74 MB, 578x328, 289:164, Guts makes popcorn.gif)

>>15123007

Looks neat, had a lot of fun with Wurm back in the day on Brosmouth


cbe715 No.15123382

File: 67ec2f6f64ad334⋯.png (748.82 KB, 660x810, 22:27, WE.png)

File: 8d71b16326c08b6⋯.png (718.97 KB, 960x540, 16:9, WUZ.png)

File: 87de4e4c5ae88a7⋯.png (801.58 KB, 960x540, 16:9, KANGZ.png)

Couldn't join but will try again tomorrow, games seems real comfy


1206d4 No.15123424

>>15123382

>Couldn't join

Did you get errors or crashing? If you crash on "entering world", just keep trying.


cbe715 No.15123443

>>15123424

Nah I think I just gotta look at my ports, can't see any servers/join. Had some errors but took care of that with your instructions


1206d4 No.15123446

>>15123443

You direct connect with the IP of the server with the green plus button; but if that doesn't work then yeah, firewall or router.


cbe715 No.15123456

>>15123446

Already tried the direct connect but I'll take a look again in a few hours. Definitely seems like a game with no lack of autism


2382e7 No.15125121

File: 3f5d66c9a7f46d0⋯.png (2.55 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ScreenShot2624.png)


1206d4 No.15125449

File: 3075e34dbfe4e49⋯.jpg (187.13 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Eco_2018-07-08_18_3657.jpg)

File: 13ef640f7081d16⋯.jpg (98.01 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Eco_2018-07-08_14_2007.jpg)

>thread is deader than dead

>server has 10+ players online

Every time


2382e7 No.15125654

File: e02846316894349⋯.png (2.11 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, you will get trapped here ….png)


4abbd5 No.15125671

Oh cool, so looking at the aesthetic, the semi-cube world volume terrain with decent textures, this looks like how MC should have


754d82 No.15125688

>>15125449

The great log bridge is truly a marvel of modern engineering. It's a shame that there are iggy stairs in the same picture.


1206d4 No.15125731

>>15125654

Is that bridge made of dirt? How was it even built? Also, why bridge terrain you could just run a normal road on?


ad3a6d No.15125745

>>15125654

>claiming the infrastructure


5c9012 No.15125866

File: ce4c9556f5c1546⋯.jpg (51.26 KB, 640x793, 640:793, f30338f8eb360ec5f3d7cfa645….jpg)

I pissed away all my starting resources, skills and property markers. Is there a way to nuke my character?


ade60f No.15126016

>>15125866

Have you tried changing the info in your login.eco?


ad3a6d No.15126058

File: cffe4f960649237⋯.jpg (214.1 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 000159.jpg)

File: 95c9e16f8893153⋯.jpg (216.58 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 000160.jpg)

game has autism


83ab65 No.15126072

>>15126058

>fern completely surrounded is fine

>other that has nothing except one other fern next to it is overcrowded

It's like it just makes up random shit to piss you off


ade60f No.15126169

File: 8985d55320b9a47⋯.png (1.2 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

To whoever did this:

I hope you get ass cancer.


272045 No.15126176

Someone nigged my shit so I'm done


83ab65 No.15126196

File: e2e3f386b07ba36⋯.png (1.23 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1.png)

File: c8d3bb64d398253⋯.png (1.18 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 2.png)

File: 3214f80246f8e19⋯.png (958.05 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 3.png)

File: 34dee6cd8b29bf1⋯.png (1.05 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 4.png)

File: 52d654cd7a06269⋯.png (293.17 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 5.png)

>1

Just like minecraft!

>2

Going on to unloaded blocks causes the game to think you are flying and jumping causes you to fly higher.

>3

There is a blackhole within the world.

>4

Flat earthers btfo

>5

The loaded chunks slowly disappearing


ad3a6d No.15126200

>>15126176

elaborate?


272045 No.15126208

>>15126200

Left my shit for a few hours outside of a claim, and someone nigged all of it despite it being nothing of value


83ab65 No.15126213

File: ab5ffff431ef668⋯.png (131.51 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 6.png)

File: 4c0054fd1b4288c⋯.png (103.4 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 7.png)

File: 7dbfca4effa680f⋯.png (66.59 KB, 219x204, 73:68, 8.png)

File: 17bbec0ea03da9f⋯.png (14.89 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 9.png)

>6

Almost gone

>7

Almost there

>8

At this point the ring world was gone and my marker went off the minimap, but came back around the other side.

>9

Looking straight down still shows no world, but looking at an angle reveals it is still there.

I forgot to mention that between pics 3&4 I was far above the meteor


ad3a6d No.15126216

>>15126208

what was it?


ad3a6d No.15126221

>>15126213

This is some Space Odyssey shit


83ab65 No.15126250

File: d10c4ab3aac7c52⋯.png (829.02 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 10.png)

File: 9b1512c5100e238⋯.png (433.1 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 11.png)

File: 8a0f173aee2e0f5⋯.png (557.83 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 12.png)

File: ffa3af7ccb09bd9⋯.png (701.12 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 13.png)

File: 86a582a95be5517⋯.png (932.73 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 14.png)

>10

Was about half a second late after falling terminal velocity but the moon is outside the world ring thing.

>11

Soon

>12

Sooner

>13

It's see-through and about 4x4x4 blocks

>14

This was how high up it was.


bbadcf No.15126330

Is it too late to join?


83ab65 No.15126333

>>15126330

There is always room for more


cbe715 No.15126335

File: d5efd58e104b6a7⋯.jpg (71.72 KB, 446x642, 223:321, d5efd58e104b6a7fd486ef2804….jpg)

>>15126250

>>15126213

I agree with >>15126221's assessment


ad3a6d No.15126336

>>15126330

>day 2 of 30

no


bbadcf No.15126362

might as well, found out that unfortunatelly, "my time at portia" is actually shit disguised as a good game.

Gave me good pointers on what not to do on my own


ade60f No.15126472

File: 515a432fe00993e⋯.png (1.17 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

You forced my hand, i'm gonna become a fucking park ranger if that's what it takes to stop lazy fags from wrecking my reforestation projects.


9bdd41 No.15126528

i'll say it again because every time a server gets made the same problems occur:

this game is better with fewer people. newfags should be put into a quarantine continent

host was a fag for not making a big enough planet

how am i supposed to become a woods hobo with other fags in my backyard?


91908e No.15126644

>>15126528

>a game of cooperation

>better with fewer people

Thats only if you have mouth breathing retards like Twh who would rather jew everyone out of resources than actually play the game.


bbadcf No.15126869

File: 8d3c3b89e0482c2⋯.png (302.94 KB, 492x420, 41:35, ClipboardImage.png)

Just fuck my shit up


cbe715 No.15127047

File: d27bdc54b56175a⋯.png (292.46 KB, 468x494, 18:19, b-reaction-402651.png)

>Professions

>Mason

>another game with the potential to sit in a half flooded mine shaft cranking out grindstones for two days straight again in order to build bridges and walls

Why does this please me so


ad3a6d No.15127054

>>15127047

no grinding in this game, only waiting offline


cbe715 No.15127057

File: ed5119c5f8c2fc1⋯.png (216.72 KB, 577x455, 577:455, AoVPgQI.png)

>>15127054

Well shit

can you make sexy stone bridges at least


ad3a6d No.15127076

>>15127057

sure, but it's mineycrafta style instead of wurm fuckery


83ab65 No.15127382

>>15127054

>want to do a bunch of stuff

>instead have to play turkish house decorator simulator to get good at chopping meat and making bricks then logging off after eating a vegan meal of beets and more beets


cbe715 No.15127461

File: 723673222a67a20⋯.png (1020.25 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Untitlasdawffg2ed.png)

Installed, game runs fine on my own server,opened all the relevant ports I could find. Keep getting this message


145caf No.15127546

Linux?


1206d4 No.15127682

>>15127546

I checked it, but I need a cracked linux steam api. If you can find an IGG cracked release for linux, you might be able to use their libsteam_api.so

>>15127461

Can you ping 84.200.24.3? At worst, your ISP might be blocking it for some retarded reason. Also make sure you are connecting to the correct port, not the webserver's.


6ea200 No.15129289

bump


1206d4 No.15129591

Vote on Garbage ban in Central Niger:

https://www.strawpoll.me/16048131


2382e7 No.15129864

File: cc69a8ab9ab5dce⋯.jpg (143.64 KB, 601x880, 601:880, Homo Heidelbergensis rhode….jpg)

NORTHERN NIGER STRONK


1206d4 No.15129961

File: 35ab21a299594cd⋯.webm (289.89 KB, 404x456, 101:114, 2018-07-09_21-05-45.webm)

File: c55b23440e0998e⋯.jpg (53.55 KB, 815x536, 815:536, 2018-07-09_21_3083.jpg)


6ea200 No.15129976

File: 4bfb7d0bb6a3097⋯.jpg (14.04 KB, 320x220, 16:11, 4f9b826fc9237c5a4bca86c287….jpg)


ade60f No.15129979

File: ca95616cbd3c4cb⋯.png (1.02 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 920d39ca4d70c84⋯.png (1.07 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

Newfags were a mistake.


bbadcf No.15130069

>>15129979

you should see when they fucking cut wood

it's literally like in wurm


5203f4 No.15130082

>>15127047

>I enjoy grinding

It sounds like you have a mental illness.


aa5f64 No.15130598

>>15130082

>>15130594

wasn't meant to be a quote, my b


83ab65 No.15130601

>>15130594

Looks like it


ad3a6d No.15130604

server dead?


71329f No.15130606

Gaaaah


6ea200 No.15130609

File: 4a8cbe8606c3b69⋯.png (57.11 KB, 584x245, 584:245, connectfail.png)

server down?


754d82 No.15130617

>>15130609

No, it's just you.


ad3a6d No.15130622

>>15130609

I can't join either


71329f No.15130623

>>15130609

Same here so it's more than just you


2382e7 No.15130635

File: 2b1489f1d54f5a5⋯.jpg (189.6 KB, 960x895, 192:179, peasant coming through.jpg)

>be serf

>set up on a hill'o beets because BEETS YO FUCK YEAH

>jump around like a fucking madman collecting everything in 12 kilometre radius

>fry and char it all up because I'm a fat fuck

>on a diet of buttered up tomato and fuckmeat

>construct a bridge entirely out of logs because the hewn log merchant went to sleep on the fucking job

>choppin' ten trees a minute to shove in the hewnboi's way so he can make me more fuckin' latrines for my mansion

>hump tree branches like a demented tarzan with a fucking shoelace'd up axe to get them cones yo

>remove stump REMOVE STUMP

>cartwheel around pacific islands to gobble up like 700 fucking wheat like shit nigger some metric tons of cereal in my ass pocket

>slave away in the mines after I chop some wood

>chop some wood after I mine sum gold

>FUCKING STUMPS

>pay 80 poons each to two cute negroid bois to dig me a basement so I can hide all my fugly ass mothafuggin shit underground

>sell crops and crop accessories an' LOGS (at economic prices)

>in my auschwitz abode of sweat, brimstone and bespoke wood logs

>mfw livin' the peasant life


83ab65 No.15130643

>>15130635

>two cute negroid bois

Here, take this rope and hang it.


71329f No.15130690

Goddamn it restart the serb will ya? Half of us are BTFOd


2382e7 No.15130702

Do the skills and similar count down even if the server is offline?


f5ec30 No.15130710


83ab65 No.15130711

>>15130702

If the server is down you do not gain any skill/consume calories.

If you are logged out and the server is up, you gain skill/consume calories.


2382e7 No.15130740

File: ceffa6c7908cda2⋯.png (1.8 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, how to lag a serbian.png)


bbadcf No.15130779

Still offline AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


f5ec30 No.15130796

SERVER IS BACK UP

also

crop yields reduced to 30%

skill points from crafting increased to 5 per hour

new law banning buildings taller than 8 blocks


ad3a6d No.15130801

>>15130796

>crop yields reduced to 30%

wot


ad3a6d No.15130808

File: 40aebf35558fdab⋯.png (476.4 KB, 654x598, 327:299, 40aebf35558fdab0c0dfc053a8….png)

>>15130796

>>15130801

should've read the rest


2382e7 No.15130813

File: f532324431116d8⋯.jpg (19.45 KB, 320x320, 1:1, bait is the mind killer.jpg)


4abbd5 No.15130825

>Try to make a SP world to fart around in

>Failed to generate

>Have to go back to OP's post to look at instructions to join the server because it's not obvious what to click on

>The UI is just clunky in general

>Keeps failing to establish connection

I'll uh… probably wait until it's out of early access


6ea200 No.15130833

>>15130796

still not working for me


91908e No.15130848

>>15130796

>new law banning buildings taller than 8 blocks

For what fucking purpose?


aa5f64 No.15130852

>>15130825

the server is down right now

>>15130833

>>15130848

retards


2382e7 No.15130866

File: e6f1cbafeaf5258⋯.jpg (49.09 KB, 616x699, 616:699, slip into a fucking coma.jpg)

Post yfw STUMP

>mfw


91908e No.15130880

File: 03e5f7bcf944fb2⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 380.04 KB, 1881x931, 99:49, WHAT.jpg)

>>15130866

>wood pulp lying about in claimed territory


bbadcf No.15130913

Just to make sure, our serverguy this time is the same aussie from Wurm?

If so, it's not going to go back in less than 6-12~ hours possibly


ade60f No.15130914

File: 3ddc586b07a3242⋯.gif (228.45 KB, 299x440, 299:440, -----%.gif)


145caf No.15130960

>Boot into windows to play and check it out

>Servers down


91908e No.15131027

>server still down

wew laddie


4f4464 No.15131045

Looks fun. Give me the run down.


bbadcf No.15131111

>>15131045

you wait 6 months for the server


83ab65 No.15131114

>>15131111

Quads don't lie


91908e No.15131210

>>15131111

So does Twh sleep 20 hours out of the day? The server being down this long shouldn't happen.


c2bb71 No.15131265

>>15130825

>it's not obvious what to click on

>The UI is just clunky in general

Do NOT ever try playing Wurm.


4abbd5 No.15131290

>>15131265

I'm just tired today and I don't have a lot of free time before I start my work week so I didn't want to fiddle with something like that and waste it. Wurm is old (?) so the jankiness is expected and part of the charm. With this, its new and the uncertainty of how they'll adapt things acts as a motivational barrier for me.

I'll probably try it out again soon. Is the 30 days of game time or real time?


ade60f No.15131292

>>15131290

Real time.


83ab65 No.15131360

>>15131210

I was looking through some of the mods and there is one that restarts servers automatically if they go down.

Maybe twh should look into this.


ade60f No.15131750

I need my fix.


7c16e4 No.15132139

File: 93f370bea8d1d73⋯.jpg (43.57 KB, 579x576, 193:192, sadcat.jpg)

>ctrl + f "wurm" in catalog

>1 of 1 results being only this thread

wha happen

is this eco thing the summer autism serb now?


272045 No.15132153

>>15132139

They ruined wurm by extending the early game because they have downs syndrome then moved onto a game that is inferior in every possible way. Just your standard autism and retardation.


ad3a6d No.15132246

>>15132139

>>15132153

Looks like not bearing that enormous grind autism fest that is so boring it makes people bot or half-assedly play while they do something else wasn't just my idea


c53d81 No.15132427

server still down?


1206d4 No.15132429

>>15132427

I'm starting it up, give me a few minutes.

Should I set up automatic restarts every X hours? 8, 6?


c53d81 No.15132431

>>15132429

what for, did it crash?


1206d4 No.15132437

>>15132431

Well yes, I didn't make it go down intentionally.


2382e7 No.15132534

>>15132437

HOLY SHIT REALLY, YOU DIDN'T SABOTAGE IT ON POIPOSE???

Set automatic restarts to 6 hours


1206d4 No.15132615

Server should restart at 600, 1900 and 2400 GMT+1. During the day I'm usually around to respond if it fucks up.


f93c15 No.15132963

Will join and initiate the 5 day plan, kill all members of a specific species


1206d4 No.15133722

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Oyyy vey


843178 No.15134971

>>15123203

I better hope we can erect a nymph statue and label it as "trap" though.

Fucking Wurm was tedious as fuck and I got so tired of it.


ad3a6d No.15135622

The way this game handles housing points is baffling. I'm trying to make a sensible and realistic house design and the game keeps flipping me off, nuking my points, reducing value for everything. And this retarded shit where I remove a piece of furniture, lose a whopping 10+ points for no reason, replace the furniture where it was and get less than half the points back. It's absolutely retarded.


646e10 No.15135811

so are we going to make a proper town this time? our last "village" was a mountainous hell and the roads we had to build to compensate were india tier.


edd666 No.15135897

>>15123007

Cant find the userprofile and appdata….


83ab65 No.15135903

>>15135622

It really is a weird system, but you might have been trying to mix multiple types of room items in the same room which caused it to spazz out. The best thing to do is make a bedroom, bathroom, kitchen and general room. Each of the rooms named can have general room items in them as well. Try to balance the points between all four and you get a bonus. I think they were trying to make people actually give a shit about making nice looking room but in the end it makes everything worse, you end up with rooms that have 50 chairs placed haphazardly.

>>15135811

Too late


646e10 No.15135961

File: ecc19d37e5ab137⋯.gif (1.88 MB, 480x264, 20:11, ThinkingNova.gif)

>server is running fine for me

>suddenly red connection

>rejoin without a hitch

>instant red connection

>rejoin instantly implying theres no issue with packetloss or connection speed

>red cable


646e10 No.15136053

I don't know if its the server telemetry or my decaying extender or what but this shit is unplayable to me this update because for some reason the game is managing to choke all 400kbs/ of my net which even planetnigger2 doesn't do, so either some spyware megaupload or indie devs can't network for shit.


edd666 No.15136259

File: 2609052fd3feaef⋯.png (2.24 MB, 5120x1440, 32:9, araf a.png)

Help, nothing happens.


5788f5 No.15136845

File: 0fe6bd58b739ce8⋯.png (101.46 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, 2018-07-11 03:34:25.png)

What are the chances of pirating the linux version? Sounds like if you bought it from the site you can download the linux version even if you're a windows goy, dunno if that version has to be cracked though.


bbadcf No.15137461

What's everyone's food exp at?

Mine at 41


1206d4 No.15138074

>>15136845

It needs a cracked steam_api, or some alternative crack. I can upload it for you if you have some idea how to do it.


ad3a6d No.15138694

File: b6efffd8fc71be4⋯.jpg (670.85 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, helpme.jpg)


bbadcf No.15138703

>>15138694

tfw still like a fucking pleb with +35 food and +2 house skill points per day


14bedd No.15138722

tl, dr, is this another minecraft clone ? how do you have fun?


bbadcf No.15138736

>>15138722

>is this another minecraft clone?

no

>how do you have fun?

by playing the game


ad3a6d No.15138752

>>15138722

>how do you have fun?

you don't


646e10 No.15138858

I think i'm done already this is fucking absurd disconnecting every 5 minutes as if the game can't do proper ping timeout. There has to be something wrong with either your server or this update if 200ms is getting me a minute of playtime at best meanwhile TWHs was 600ms and I was able to play for hours without any percieved lag.


2382e7 No.15139213

File: 54d6b265c397611⋯.png (2.7 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, loss.png)


2382e7 No.15139459

File: 10deab6a639ad21⋯.png (687.36 KB, 5000x236, 1250:59, HISTORICAL COMMENTARY.png)


3f5167 No.15139477

How big is it

how hard is it to get into

and how many people are playing


bbadcf No.15139533

>>15139477

>How big is it

enough

>how hard is it to get into

not much

>and how many people are playing

enough


3f5167 No.15139542

>>15139533

Pls give actual answers you giant cock muffin


bbadcf No.15139723

>>15139542

well, what's an actual answer for "How big is it" or "how hard is it to get into"?

compared to what?


c2bb71 No.15139741

>>15138722

The only minecraft-like thing about this game is the fact that it's block based.

>>15139477

It's pretty simple and the game itself describes everything to you well enough. There's just a lot of jobs you can take, but the gameplay for them all pretty similar. The hardest part is figuring out which job to take because nobody ever tells you which jobs are needed, and you lose like 20% of your skillpoints if you respec to a different job so it's not easy to try many things.


3f5167 No.15139745

>>15139723

How big is it GB wise

how hard is it to get into for somebodys whos playing your standard minecraft bullshit before


c2bb71 No.15139806

File: 438cddf89a31143⋯.png (13.32 KB, 556x388, 139:97, Untitled.png)

>>15139745

>How big is it GB wise

Click the link in the second post in the thread fag.


bbadcf No.15139814

>>15139745

>How big is it GB wise

1giga HD

2~ giga memory

>how hard is it to get into for somebodys whos playing your standard minecraft bullshit before

It's not comparable to minecraft, but it's not hard either. It's like some survival game with factorio but cooperative instead of competitive. The objective is to kill the meteor before it kills you


3f5167 No.15139822

>>15139814

Factorio huh,never played that before,wonder if i'd be able to adapt


83ab65 No.15139887

>>15139822

What about wurm?

It's like as if minecraft and wurm had a baby


ad3a6d No.15140005

>>15139814

The meteor is bullshit, the real objective of this game is making civilization and economy, and fucking around with currencies and government/laws but unfortunately only legitimate customers can do the latter.

>>15139477

About this game: it's autistic, it's a waiting game, it runs like shit when too many objects and particles are near, few people (5-8) have been playing it


3f5167 No.15140024

>>15139887

Nope

i'll give it a dl later and pop in anyways

>>15140005

Got no problem with autism in games.


8ac61b No.15140102

>>15125671

Frankly I'm sick of all this minecraft/ark shit. If I wanted to build something, I'd play wurms or a factory sim


5788f5 No.15140184

>>15138074

Sure, I'll give it a shot.


686e3f No.15141192

>>15135811

indian tier roads are comfy in these types of shitty games though


1206d4 No.15142470


2382e7 No.15142746

File: 1a0f802cd0d4802⋯.png (1.56 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, signs.png)


1206d4 No.15143279

>>15140184

Here it is. Eco.Shared.dll is what contains the auth code, it's pretty obvious.

https://mega.nz/#!0kpVBbaC!qyRNvJNftkJHguYG12Xsc9EBtg2wL-rfDDyznZuhMC4


2382e7 No.15144595

To impose a market ban and exclude the cruddy kike Pentti Linkola from your store, go to the store, Auth > change Public to Whitelist and authorize everyone but Linkola.

Now the jew cannot buy out all your inventory with his 4000 shekels.


91908e No.15144644

File: ccd2ee64d4200be⋯.jpg (77.26 KB, 789x298, 789:298, mega kike.jpg)

yfw you're not Kikeola


bbadcf No.15144718

>>15144595

if you guys hate him so much, that's what you all should be doing instead of fucking taxing everyone

fucking commies


bbadcf No.15144805

File: 19420985ebe9e98⋯.png (27.28 KB, 473x41, 473:41, ClipboardImage.png)


2382e7 No.15145062

File: 20db7e0388f6651⋯.png (2.96 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ice truckin.png)


bbadcf No.15145143

My truck got tossed into the water


45bb18 No.15145518

File: 17c9d316df3475d⋯.png (1.06 MB, 792x598, 396:299, untitled.PNG)

nice cart


5788f5 No.15145559

File: 65a95aea6d54da5⋯.webm (2.63 MB, 640x480, 4:3, soy.webm)

C I N E M A T I C


83ab65 No.15145576

>>15145559

Nice and smooth


91908e No.15145636

>>15145559

PS4 port when?


ade60f No.15146784

File: d50aff27bdce373⋯.png (1.51 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

>tfw i'm going to have to chop all of these down eventually


91908e No.15146827

>>15146784

Thats why you replant after that and keep the cycle going, becoming a guardian of the woods.


ade60f No.15146861

>>15146827

I already do that. In fact, i plan on expanding the forest way beyond my land.

I just hope faggots don't go around chopping shit down without cleaning after themselves.


bdba5c No.15146888

>>15145559

Turning down the render scale helps a lot.


9bdd41 No.15147011

>>15146861

they will and already have been


1206d4 No.15147024

>>15144718

Wealth accumulating on one or two people always becomes a problem either way. It fucks with the economy when literally two people own 50% of the money in circulation, and the scale of the economy isn't big enough to make supply/demand issues correct themselves.

>>15145559

You can tick the never show again box on tutorials and they go away forever


83ab65 No.15147248

>>15142746

How do signs get made this large? I tried to make my size 1000% and it still looks the same as 500%.


5788f5 No.15147371

File: 1986216c6c82fde⋯.png (92.39 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Eco 2018-07-12 19:46:41_0.png)

>>15143279

Forgot to say it worked. See below, though. I just replaced Eco.Shared.dll with the one in the Windows copy you posted and used the linux version of the activated crack. I'll upload them if somebody else wants to try the linux version.

>>15146888 (checked)

I already tried it and still got 15-20fps even at lowest. I got a better framerate on the menu screen when I used a different crack (but that one made it crash after the login prompt) so I think the game itself is just fucked up


ba98af No.15147418

>>15147371

Did you disable the bitcoin miner?


1aaf5d No.15147436

>>15147248

It's just trucks that aren't implemented properly. Regular signs won't go above a certain size.


2382e7 No.15147954

File: 49e5b99c0fcff8f⋯.png (928.67 KB, 1680x1050, 8:5, professional mode.png)


b218c7 No.15148054

Are there any plans to include NPCs into the game?

Because building huge cities is fine and all, but then you need a very large player population so it doesn't look like a ghost town.

Plus, NPCs that buy and sell things helps with the economy, providing options for fields no player is currently covering, but they can remain at an average level so any player that invests in a specific area will easily outdo the NPCs in it.


26f117 No.15148949

>>15132139

Magic is over. New servers don't have the same optimism the older ones had and everyone just rushes to FS 60 now anyway.

Old fags don't want to bring any new people in. Old fags also don't actually want to play so the big summer serb dies in less than a month. Should have pitched it to cuckchan like Brohan and we could have had a bigger population and wouldn't need anarchy to keep everyone from flooding into one faction.


ade60f No.15149104

File: 56f42e4a93b2038⋯.png (1.14 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

Skeleton should be banned for this tbh.


bbadcf No.15149111

>>15149104

fucking hell, I am getting wurm flashbacks


1206d4 No.15149321

>>15148054

Not that I know of, the roadmap is full of features that extend the gameplay. I think one way or another they want it to be a big MP experience, not something you can fill up with NPCs in place of PCs.


2382e7 No.15149343

File: 93e519ea8ccf7c0⋯.png (952.92 KB, 1680x1050, 8:5, Bridge Ramp Nose, AKA Goeb….png)

bridge completed, give me my fucking 43 shekels twh you jew

it costed me 39 asphalt road blocks, 10 asphalt ramps, hewn that is worth fuck all, 1 broken hammer and asphalt I niggered from the road in front of chad's


bbadcf No.15149435

>>15149343

It's ugly, I say you should be fined for making such ugly roads :^8


a2030a No.15149476

>>15149104

Did someone chop down all the trees again?


1206d4 No.15149503

>>15149343

I gave you 350 you fucking beaner engineer, rebuild it and make it nice once we have the materials.


c3a12f No.15149527

>>15126196

thats not a black hole you idotic shitstain, thats the skybox


83ab65 No.15149546

File: 95a000c4e5c1846⋯.png (1.42 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, hm.png)

File: 2258d46b0ecb031⋯.png (1.74 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, hmm.png)

File: cab0ee1e9b214f2⋯.png (1.5 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, hmmm.png)

File: c1d07909b459aae⋯.png (469.52 KB, 812x683, 812:683, HMMMMM.png)


2382e7 No.15149553

>>15149546

whose is it


83ab65 No.15149557

>>15149553

>last pic


2382e7 No.15149559

>>15149557

oh yeah

I told y'all he's a piece of shit jew

when are we going to burn this cunt?


bbadcf No.15149588

>>15149546

It's ok to deforest if:

Collect all seeds first (Hit the tree leaves)

Remove all branch scraps thingies

Remove Trunks

Replant seeds

Do anyone disagree with these?


83ab65 No.15149604


1206d4 No.15149685

>>15149588

Replanting in the same location is pointless, removing trunks makes the trees regrow in the same location.


bbadcf No.15149931

>>15149685

only if there are trees nearby, and proportional to how many nearby trees there are.

each block is tagged to spawn or not spawn a tree, and each nearby tree gives a change to spawn a tree at that block.

I don't know how these blocks are decided upon, but I know that they don't change often.

I know this because my farm gets constantly attacked by tree spores each harvest and it's a fucking pain to remove them every 3 minutes. they always respawn on the same block


bbadcf No.15149960

File: db6a4ccae747375⋯.png (3.04 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

Time for my first harvest


bbadcf No.15150043

File: 6b57e7a3c91dcf2⋯.png (562.27 KB, 951x885, 317:295, ClipboardImage.png)

You niggers better like dirty cheap food, because I will crash the farming industry right now


ade60f No.15150141

File: 5244423747ebcb8⋯.jpg (67.32 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 1443143416239-1.jpg)


a29427 No.15150155

>>15149546

You should just design laws to just fuck this guy over into oblivion


bbadcf No.15150200

goldstein will probably quit, there is a bug that lets people trade nothing for shekels on his currency exchange, so people are draining his whole store right now


83ab65 No.15150255

File: 26915fedff9d6e8⋯.png (12.99 KB, 312x47, 312:47, rip.png)

Don't leave without giving me all your stuff


ad3a6d No.15150261

>>15150255

it's all unclaimed


9bdd41 No.15150282

>version 7.6.0

https://steamcommunity.com/games/382310/announcements/detail/2698103696751645281

>added new distribution station object

"This is a stockpile where the owner can set a ration of items that every new player can take, which they will be notified of with a World Marker when they enter the game. With this object, citizens and governments can set up items to provide to new players to help them get started/catch up. You'll also be able to see the items provided from the Server Browser."

"You can set the max 'age' of a player for them to be eligible for items."

>ADDED C H A I N S A W

>starter camp

"The camp comes with a small stockpile and contains starting supplies.

The camp also serves as a crafting table that can craft a limited selection of things."

>added Real estate Desk

"At the desk, you can examine your deeds, edit their settings, move land and vehicles between deeds, create and delete deeds, and unclaim land and vehicles. You can also buy and sell deeds.

Deeds are no longer items that you can carry in your inventory.

Replaced "Property Claim Flags" with a "Land Claim Stake" tool and "Land Claim Papers". The Land Claim Stake works similarly to how claim flags used to work - hold it and right click to claim some land. It also has some new features. You can hold it and left click on claimed land to unclaim it. You can also target claimed land with it and press 'E' to open the deed window for that land. The Land Claim Stake uses Land Claim Papers. Each paper represents your right to claim 1 plot of land. Unlocking skills will grant you Land Claim Papers, in the same way it used to grant you Property Claim Flags previously.

When you claim land with the Land Claim Stake, the deed that the land is attached to is no longer determined by the deed in your inventory (since you can't have deeds in your inventory). Rather, it is determined by the deeds of nearby plots belonging to you, and . If there are none within range, a new deed is created.

The treatment of vehicles versus stationary objects with regards to deeds and authorization has been unified, and the 'Auth' tab of the object window - which has been renamed to the 'Authorization' tab and given an overhaul to improve both clarity and appearance - will appear for both. No more 'Lock' toggle for vehicles - they now have full authorization settings support just like stationary objects (that is, the ability to set them to public, whitelist, or inherit from deed mode).

Added an "Unclaim Property" action to stats, which can be referenced in laws."

>added Robotic assembly line

"The Robotic Assembly Line is used to craft all internal combustion engine vehicles and other advanced machinery."


9bdd41 No.15150286

>>15150282

MISCELLANEOUS CHANGES

Added a key binding to toggle 3rd person (defaults to F5).

Changed the nutrient values of almost everything, generally a ~20% increase.

Nutrient values now scale more aggressively with higher tier food.

Recipe costs changed due to recent farming/collection changes.

Removed Campfire Cooking skill - the recipes are now available to everyone.

Old Campfire Cooking recipes ingredients have been modified due to no efficiency/speed skills.

Removed Basic Crafting skill - the recipes are now available to everyone.

Basic Crafting recipes ingredients have been modified due to no efficiency/speed skills.

Players now start with reduced land claims and a camp item.

Most plants now give less resources.

Added seed recipe for mushrooms.

Gathered seeds no longer increase with gathering skill.

Blast furnaces once again produce tailings.

Blast furnaces are now harder to make.

Lots of miscellaneous changes to late game recipes.

Ingots (all kinds) are more expensive, other recipe costs reduced where appropriate.

Ingots now weigh less.

Steel now requires coal or charcoal to smelt.


ade60f No.15150347

>>15150255

Why though


ad3a6d No.15150391

>>15150347

wasting too much time on it


1206d4 No.15152088

File: 096870038c2d243⋯.jpg (30.25 KB, 282x539, 282:539, 5b767446e52b9d06f344a398f5….jpg)

>>15150286

>blast furnaces once again produce tailings


2382e7 No.15152543

File: d0785e5755add68⋯.png (1.71 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, yeppers.png)

File: d80c21f85d4f319⋯.png (1.74 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, yepski.png)

File: 921ffae4b8420b8⋯.png (1.54 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, yeparino.png)

File: 72d1eeac46e6e33⋯.png (2.49 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, yeperooni.png)

I am fucking tired of these newfaggots who come in, claim half the forest and then do this shit. They deserve to be torched. I'm outski, I got better shit to do than babysit jews and remove STUMPS.


2382e7 No.15152548

File: 51ccfd58a9aa9cf⋯.png (2.53 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, lol fuck elves.png)

>>15152543

No, seriously. Ban this fucking cunt.


1206d4 No.15152756

>>15152543

>>15152548

Banned, did some cleanup, passed two laws to prevent niggers from deforesting shit as soon as they join


ade60f No.15153333

File: 81ae96f02fcd9a8⋯.gif (4.48 MB, 500x746, 250:373, 200000%.gif)


bbadcf No.15153357

>>15153333

the damage is much bigger than it first seems from these screenshots.


c2bb71 No.15153427

File: ef79d922c6e1bc5⋯.png (200.29 KB, 812x518, 58:37, mh7zdhzs.png)

>>15150282

>This is a stockpile where the owner can set a ration of items that every new player can take

My communist dreams…!

>>15152088

I think that's good thing. I'm generally against "upgrades" that remove complexity or long term adverse effects like that, it makes the previous level of technology seem like nothing but a pointless stepping stone to the next level. The advantage of not having to store tailings is so massive that it might as well be on a different profession.


91908e No.15153853

>people would rather jew each other instead of working together

>we have become what we despise


2382e7 No.15153914

File: dc664f17e62d07c⋯.swf (9.35 MB, This Land is Mine.swf)

>>15153853

If I had the ability to firebomb, Linkola would long since be in flames. Death to all jews that do not understand the very simple to understand fact that you do not markup in a microeconomy.


5356ed No.15153943

>>15147371

I'd like to try the Linux version.


83ab65 No.15154084

>>15153853

With the recent stagnation I have noticed a slow increase in cooperation.

We are learning


ff2c11 No.15154476

>>15152543

>>15152756

This is me I'm new I didnt know what I was doing unban me you cunt


ff2c11 No.15154499

>>15152543

>>15154476

I cut up every tree I cut down those trees on the ground aren't mine I cleaned up shit I'm being framed by a Jew


b48402 No.15154563

>>15150200

>so people are draining his whole store right now

>people

IGG was the only one I saw doing it


45bb18 No.15154587

File: d19db7882cdaa3b⋯.png (800.47 KB, 1167x572, 1167:572, Eco_2018-07-14_15-47-10.png)

this is what depression looks like


83ab65 No.15154621

>>15154587

Can't you just fill in the holes?


1206d4 No.15154632

>>15154476

>>15154499

I removed the ban, you'll be able to log in from the next restart in an hour or so, but don't go claiming a million chunks and leaving a mess over them. If a chunk already has a mess on it, it's also not a good idea to claim it before cleaning it, because then you can end up looking like a huge shitter.


45bb18 No.15154648

>>15154621

It's a bridge i made over an ocean, it takes a shitton of dirt to stack high enough and Chad isn't around to buy hewn logs from at 0.2 anymore


2382e7 No.15154653

>>15154632

I also found 40 tailings dumped right there, and the only ones with bloomeries are twh, khrizto and guedez

I'd suspect guedez from also cutting all that shit

fucking CIA nigeria in here


ff2c11 No.15154656

>>15154632

Can I get my starter pack shekels or some shit as well I had to kill animals and do everything from the start


1206d4 No.15154685

>>15154653

There's not much I can do unless some tangible evidence comes up. At the very least, I didn't give anyone any tailings and I shouldn't be missing any from my stockpile.

>>15154656

You'll get shekels if you actually play for a while. Go ask people if they need a poop hole dug out or something, can get a couple shekels that way if you don't want to gather resources to sell.


45bb18 No.15154693

>>15154656

if you want some easy shekels i'll pay you for doing this >>15154621


b48402 No.15154757

>>15154653

There's a bunch of tailings at the garbage dump though I think


2382e7 No.15154851

>>15154757

All of which I dumped there after I removed it from the forest. There were just like 10 blocks worth of tailings there before.


bbadcf No.15155460

>>15154648

seriously nigger?

put hewn log, put dirt on top of it, remove hewn log, repeat


bbadcf No.15155462

>>15154653

My tailings are in the garbage dump in the middle of the desert


ade60f No.15155914

File: 9cc4131cd1a8171⋯.png (965.06 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

File: a1a83343f99416a⋯.png (661.95 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, 1463500880977-2.png)

>it happened again

>now they didn't even bother picking up the wood


ade60f No.15155930

File: 5026d518dc2641b⋯.png (1.82 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)


b48402 No.15156019

File: f32e5532e9ff5af⋯.jpg (702.64 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, fuck.jpg)

Who's the nigger that dumped trash everywhere on the road?


ade60f No.15156144

File: b92a0cbafacb123⋯.png (1.43 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, ClipboardImage.png)

File: feb12939697232b⋯.jpg (28.3 KB, 342x298, 171:149, feb12939697232be50a88ec26d….jpg)

>tfw you login to finish upgrading your house but end up playing detective/trash man with the 2 other people online


1206d4 No.15156474

Server was having some issues restarting but it's up now


1206d4 No.15156496


a7490f No.15156556

File: e1b06d7f09e4296⋯.mp4 (62.52 KB, 500x378, 250:189, get it joe jack.mp4)

About to join you autists. I have no idea what I am doing, but I would like to help. Where is help needed?


b48402 No.15156625

>>15156556

Just don't go around chopping down trees or leaving garbage everywhere


a7490f No.15156660

>>15156625

I'm going through the tutorial now. How do I place walls on top of hewn wood floors? It just stacks more floors when I try.


1206d4 No.15156681

>>15156556

Nothing too urgent, there are building jobs on and off.

IGG's been banned for building a massive ring of shit around the town center to spread pollution. He was also at the very least one of the people cutting down trees and leaving shit everywhere.

His land claims will be removed, materials are up for grabs. You can get some shekels for cleaning up his shit, too.


2382e7 No.15156692

>>15156681

He was also the reason why goldstein left, the shitter bought all of his shit with a bug and then took all his money too.


bbadcf No.15157172

>>15156019

the road to my fucking home no less


bbadcf No.15157354

File: 2e85b614aabd1b1⋯.png (2.23 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

All hail the blessed flying tree


b6de62 No.15157373

>>15157354

Time to build a chuch


09e373 No.15157416

File: 979c5b0917d9d2c⋯.png (772.77 KB, 900x900, 1:1, tree.png)

>>15157354

can't unsee


2382e7 No.15157939

File: 85c0480684da6dd⋯.png (3.05 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, only a fucking nigger woul….png)

Don't forget that khrizto is a fucking nigger


45bb18 No.15158901

The newfag laws apply based on current playtime, rather than total playtime, I just got niggered 90 shekels for 4 tiles.


bbadcf No.15159949

What the fuck is a pointless claim? why are we being taxed to claim land?

fucking communistic hellhole


83ab65 No.15159964

>>15159949

There are multiple laws thrown together to catch whoever was doing the mass deforestation and garbage dumping. It turned out it was IGG and now these laws are all pointless. But this was the reasoning behind them.

Law to tax cutting trees off deed would display who is doing the mass deforestation.

Law to tax claiming was to prevent said person claiming land, cutting trees and then unclaiming.

Law to ban garbage dumping is self explanatory.

The moment IGG was banned those laws should have been repealed.


bbadcf No.15159996

>>15159964

>>15159964

>Law to tax cutting trees off deed would display who is doing the mass deforestation.

not really, I was going everyday to the unclaimed forests gather wood to sell to mega faggot and linkola. That would get me too


83ab65 No.15160005

>>15159996

>selling to a jew


45bb18 No.15160059

>>15160005

>not selling to a jew to exploit their wealth then collectively not buying from the jew


83ab65 No.15160082

>>15160059

Too bad that never happens and all it takes is some idiot to buy from them once and they already make their money back.


bbadcf No.15160396

>>15160082

not now that carpets goes for 3


4d0990 No.15160466

>>15160059

>>15160082

The only thing you need to defeat someone trying to pricefix is to drain him dry.

Keep selling him whatever he is buying to re-sell until he has turned all his fortune into physical assets.

Then, supply the exact same product but at a cheaper price. Keep the market well stocked at that price, preferably lower than what you sold him for previously.

Once the jew has an inventory full of items that nobody buys and no more money to manipulate the market, he is effectively economically dead, which is true death for the jew.

tl;dr: just like real life, competition kills the jew. And it's easy to compete against them since they never even try!


9d46d6 No.15160932

shit this game is resource intensive


09e373 No.15161194

File: 9726c39d9797063⋯.png (155.93 KB, 480x486, 80:81, 2intense.png)

>>15160932

literally the entire game is based around gathering resources or making use of those resources


83ab65 No.15161453

Server has been lagged to shit the past few hours


3adf9e No.15161666

File: 5a9b4cb047a9791⋯.png (917.41 KB, 490x1015, 14:29, greece.png)


000000 No.15161721

was the game updated? what's new?


2382e7 No.15161764

twh you cunt restart the server it is horrifyingly fucking laggy


09e373 No.15162160

File: cdd8dbc47358439⋯.png (206.21 KB, 400x357, 400:357, waiting_skelly_jpg.png)

why lag

why

why

h

y


1206d4 No.15163337

File: c7e2b4d0dcb2a0b⋯.jpg (347.13 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, grand kike basin.jpg)


6dadbc No.15163555

>>15143279

>>15147371

where the heck does the login.eco go in linux-land


bbadcf No.15163604

>>15163555

search your whole computer, will take a lot less time than waiting for a linux fag to spawn


6dadbc No.15163617

>>15163555

nevermind it's /home/USERNAME/.config/unity3d/Strange Loop Games/

>>15163604

Kinda hard to search for files that don't exist yet anon.


2382e7 No.15163634

File: ffc66788b538e1f⋯.png (2.51 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ScreenShot2736.png)


bbadcf No.15163657

>>15163617

I think it does get generated when you open the game and attempt to login as whatever. I remember having to search for the file to find it, but it was 8~ days ago, so I am not sure anymore


6dadbc No.15163674

>>15163657

The folder exists but the login.eco doesn't. Mostly because the login doesn't seem to fail (just lasts forever), which I now assume is because I don't have a cracked libsteam_api.so yet.


6dadbc No.15163795

>>15163674 On that note if a linux-fag could share his cracked libsteam_api.so that would be much appreciated.


2382e7 No.15164158

File: 4402f351fbd8b24⋯.png (2.23 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, towerofheaven.png)


c7fd64 No.15164212

File: e73cc7b60f006bc⋯.jpg (16.85 KB, 268x284, 67:71, 1520443226871.jpg)


5356ed No.15164295

File: 182472dbaa368b5⋯.png (30.02 KB, 392x197, 392:197, 1450546805345.png)


2382e7 No.15164582

File: 0b5ac866a5644fc⋯.png (968.8 KB, 1680x1050, 8:5, lamps.png)


4d0990 No.15164665

Is it possible to make a living strictly out of being an Engineer?

I was thinking of joining, but I'm only gonna play a game that takes as much grinding as a real job if I'm doing my IRL job in-game as well.


83ab65 No.15164726

>>15164665

Meteor is going to be destroyed in the next couple days or less which leaves nothing to really do except jew each other even more.


b48402 No.15164765

>>15164665

yes, though engineer is covered already.


5b0364 No.15166578

File: 59c2f835fa79d09⋯.png (368.99 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, nigged bridge.png)

F


2382e7 No.15166613

File: 5cbe910292515f7⋯.png (3.06 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ScreenShot2872.png)

File: f805d9a28e615d3⋯.png (2.34 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ScreenShot2874.png)

Some mad faggot did this shit, of course didn't chop any trees. Maybe. It'd be easy to figure out if the game wasn't so fucking shit and the chat logs went farther back than just two hours


5fbdb8 No.15166656

>>15166578

>playing Eco on your Commodore 64


09e373 No.15166672

File: bd6bee5b9bbcaf7⋯.png (256.57 KB, 453x622, 453:622, why did it become like thi….png)


2382e7 No.15166991

File: cc666421ccbf85c⋯.png (1.31 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, restart when.png)

you fuckers aren't ever online so I took things in my own hands


2382e7 No.15166997

File: 683b99d6c5e62d9⋯.png (1.67 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, laser you're drunk go home.png)

there wasn't even power for one of the lasers yet it still werked

this game is fucking shit


bbadcf No.15167008

>>15166613

maybe if there was no tax on trees people wouldn't have repurposed the fucking logs in the bridge

GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION WILL ALWAYS RESULT IN THIS

NOT A SINGLE LAW DID WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE DONE AND ONLY CAUSED EXTRA PROBLEMS

Also, we should reset with 0.4 skillgain and 2x resource costs


09e373 No.15167012

game 2 ez

it should take roughly 3 times this long (at least)

also i never even got to drive a truck and i am mildly annoyed by that

>>15167008

>0.4 skillgain and 2x resource costs

0.3 skillgain and 2.5x resource costs


2382e7 No.15167022

>>15167008

are you retarded you nigger

the mad faggot just moved the logs around to be a little shit, not "repurposed" it according to your fucking political conspiracy


bbadcf No.15167027

>>15167022

well, then he was just a faggot and not a terrorist


5fbdb8 No.15167031

>>15167008

Playing with laws gimping you instead of "just use bigger numbers lmao" could actually be an interesting idea. Community vs. the government.

Maybe forcibly split the community to add some competition.


71329f No.15167047

McB here I have quit, removed all my claims (maybe), feel free to nig my house and shit.


b48402 No.15167050

>>15167047

>i quit

>game is over

good job faggot


09e373 No.15167057

File: 1a818d92ca3b411⋯.jpg (25.87 KB, 500x375, 4:3, good work have some coffee.jpg)

>>15167047

>actually removing your claims before quitting

you were too good for this world

too pure


71329f No.15167111

>>15167050

I just logged in and say the meteor in the sky with a 19 day timer on it though…


bbadcf No.15167195

File: 2c454bb2b1a815e⋯.png (2.88 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

Excavators need a dedicated button to collect without breaking stuff


bbadcf No.15167197

File: 5858128d82d775b⋯.png (1.47 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

physics

It's just there, still, in the fucking air


bbadcf No.15167199

File: fdeb8d84ade15cc⋯.png (3.04 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 97893cdb23d7a4f⋯.png (3.86 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: d86251757a71305⋯.png (3.22 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

shit accelerated and (((physics'ed))) so fucking fast that it went through the ground and appeared in the surface


bbadcf No.15167202

File: a99f85d8236adcc⋯.png (1.74 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

and the correct way to store coal


bbadcf No.15167204

File: 76b7a0e6d0e5b26⋯.png (1.74 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

rock storage


9f9a42 No.15167211

This shit looks boring


bbadcf No.15167220

File: 7059cb4c2a96fa7⋯.webm (6.83 MB, 1646x856, 823:428, 2018-07-17 12-51-24.webm)

and since those projects will auto collect resources. This can probably be improved by having the research station and mason station near the excavator

>>15167211

so do your fucking mom


2382e7 No.15167276

Would it be possible to remove the diminishing SP return on multiple rooms? Because then we could nerf the default SP gain rate into oblivion, and basically force people to build huge mansions to get any points.


bbadcf No.15167361


bbadcf No.15167378

can the host upload the current worldgen.eco for us to have a baseline for next serb?


bbadcf No.15167379

>>15167378

or rather, all config files for the server


1206d4 No.15167400

>>15167378

I can, but what's the point of that? Worldgen.eco is barely edited, and I still have 20 days on hosting. The rest of the config files don't have much of substance changed either, other than actions giving 0.001sp.


b48402 No.15167407

Who are you using to host?


b48402 No.15167438

File: 18d72c6b89cef5b⋯.jpg (656.4 KB, 3840x2160, 16:9, Untitled.jpg)

The excavator made an attempt to return to its home planet. It's now in the middle of the ocean.


bbadcf No.15167564

>>15167400

then the server is 72x72?

I don't know if shrinking it would make it more fun to play, considering we barely touched most of it, it might.

We might risk not having end-tier resources like oil though.

Either way

The meteor is gone and we still have 20 days of server hosting

https://www.strawpoll.me/16096628

My proposed settings:

Version 7.6.0

Half skillgain

500x resources for the laser, maybe more types of resources, since it's possible to completely change the recipe

20 days (or whatever is the remaining server hosting time, 18?) meteor time

24x24 (1/9~ of current) map, so we HAVE to terraform the ocean, pollution becomes an actual threat, low acquisition of resources. No rivers, just a small pangea


1206d4 No.15167565

>>15167407

Host-unlimited.de


2382e7 No.15167637

>>15167564

Just increasing the resource requirements an interesting game does not make. I'd personally add a requirement of more lasers or, hell, more meteors with incrementally higher laser requirements, but the world is not simple and that is probably completely impossible without redigging the entire game. Include some more diverse materials in the building of the laser.

I'd personally reduce the resource requirements specifically on building materials, because you don't get enough bang for your buck and have to resort to retarded min-maxy designs with more holes than a well seasoned cheddar if you're expected to get any skills from housing early on.

Maybe just have one river.


1206d4 No.15167656

>>15167564

It's 108 or something, that's about the only setting changed in worldgen.eco


b48402 No.15167670

>>15167564

>500x resources for the laser,

wew

with a smaller world, lower skill gain, and less time, that's really pushing it. fuck, that's like 40,000 gold. I'm not even sure enough would spawn.


bbadcf No.15167680

>>15167637

I am not against increasing the yield of building materials, but you'd have to convince the host to hunt the recipes and change them.

More complexity will have to wait a couple of months, shit like sewage is already planned to be added soon™

>>15167670

we will have double the time, also, 40,000 is not that much, it's literally just 400 stacks.

Also, there's a ton of resources if you dig to the bedrock, 3 gold mines and you get it all probably.

I was sitting on a huge ass gold vein that I never bothered mining because it's worth fuck all


bbadcf No.15167708

>>15167670

actually, from 7.6

>Ingots (all kinds) are more expensive, other recipe costs reduced where appropriate

maybe 500x is too much.

I'd say add shit like framed glass (for lens goyim)


bbadcf No.15167758

File: 90d22ce2946e69c⋯.webm (9.2 MB, 1608x878, 804:439, 2018-07-17 14-53-40.webm)

excavator on shared inventory with:

mason making grindstones (stone dump)

research making farming (dirt dump)

research making smelting? I think? don't remember (coal dump)

for iron/copper/gold just get the blast furnaces going


2382e7 No.15168012

File: 97012b77fbb8552⋯.png (1.39 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, ScreenShot2858.png)

File: efdeba55c8cb47e⋯.png (1.79 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, Impact in 23 days.png)

Hey Twh, use the remaining server time to host factorio seablock for /egg/ if you're so bored.

I probably won't be playing a second round of that without some very interesting mods or some serious gimmick (like a really, really tiny world or an Arrakis world). Game good enough for a second run, there isn't anything all that worthwhile to do in the end, especially when it comes to ecology.


2382e7 No.15168037

At least respawn the meteor and set the timer to a few minutes, I wanna see the planet go boom.


bbadcf No.15168050

>>15168012

>like a really, really tiny world or an Arrakis world

it seems you can't force it all into desert, but you can make it very small, which I would like to try, having to minmax even the very earth beneath your feet


1206d4 No.15168102

>>15168012

I host factorio games on my dedi, it's good enough for that. However, my issue is the opposite currently as thanks to various unicuck affairs I don't have very much free time even in the summer holiday. I'll host a factorio game sooner or later.

Also I'll do a meteor sequence before I take down the current world; I'll probably wait until friday-saturday unless I finish early.

I guess the next world will be a super tiny one then.


bbadcf No.15168123

File: 99ac2d45bdc5412⋯.webm (6.24 MB, 1636x914, 818:457, 2018-07-17 16-42-11.webm)

>>15168037

tfw your excavator is making it's own meteors


b6de62 No.15168126

Someone record the meteor crash please, sounds like it could be cool.


bbadcf No.15168132

>>15168126

>inb4 it's just a fade to black screen with "you lose"


1206d4 No.15168160

>>15168132

It's pretty neat actually, considerably better than shooting down the meteor, which is kind of retarded.


b48402 No.15168327

>>15168102

will it still be 0.7.5.1?


bbadcf No.15168354

>>15168327

I'd suggest 7.6, or a newer one if it comes out in time


83ab65 No.15168397

>>15168327

>>15168354

I've heard this latest update broke a lot of the timers and crafting things will often come up with "NaN time left"


bbadcf No.15169871

someone login to sell me a skid steer so I can test it, so I can know how desperate I should get to get one on next serv


bbadcf No.15170080

skid steers dig stone

excavators are useless


bbadcf No.15170148

I was testing world sizes in single player

24x24 is too small, the world freaks out when your view range is bigger than itself, so it can't load the second loop around itself because it is already loaded behind you

36x36 seems to work, 32x32 might work, since the max view range is 150, maybe it's a radius? so 30x30?


09e373 No.15170170

File: 0fa9f6995f261e2⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 190.05 KB, 460x215, 92:43, i have no server and i mus….png)

>>15170148

>30x30?

30x30 won't work. World size has to be divisible by 4, so 28x28 could work, except for the 150 view range. 32x32 sounds like it would be the smallest possible world.

serb when

please

need serb

i'm dying


bbadcf No.15170270

>>15170170

6 months

on another note, the steam client is at 7.6.1, so the nan issues are probably fixed


09e373 No.15170344

>>15168012

>some serious gimmick

>an Arrakis world

Idea:

>tweak worldgen so that tailings appear naturally, just like ores do i.e. fuck you, if you want shit to grow here then you're going to need to do some serious terraforming

>no rivers

>seas generated V E R Y small (think garden pond sized)

>or maybe no sea at all, but rare pools of water spawned underground just like ores do, and surrounded by rock - I'm still learning how the server settings work but I think it might be possible

>I can't actually remember what the exact geography of arrakis is supposed to be like, but probably BIG flat deserts and occasional steep rocky mountains/plateaus where sietches would be

>there's definitely got to be some way to generate more of the desert dirt and less of the grassland dirt, I just know there is

>maybe mod in a "water" resource that behaves like oil and is harvested the same way (if possible), and is added to the required materials for most (or all) food recipes

>or water is modded in as a fifth nutrient group, making it necessary to stay hydrated for those SICK SP GAINS BRUH probably far too much hassle to implement, if it's even possible at all

>I've tried to stay fairly grounded and realistic with these ideas so far, but the spice must flow same deal as adding water, really, but MUCH rarer

etc.

I'm no expert on either Dune or Eco, but the more I think about an Arrakis-type world, the more I want to try it out. If there is currently no serb to soothe my autism, I'll have a go at tweaking server options to see how it all works.

>>15170270

>6 months

But isn't there still over half a month of server time left?


0466d2 No.15171180

nukes?


1206d4 No.15171350

>>15170080

Excavators are much faster and have big reach and good visibility, they are better for mining. Skid steers are better for removing land for any other purpose.


bbadcf No.15171454

>>15171350

excavators are great to make a mess and leave billions of rock pieces, which skid steers do not.

Rooms.eco

"EmptyBlocksCountAsWindows": true

We can remove cheese house

>>15170344

I can spread tailings in the world, but seems like a fucking terrible idea, since blast furnaces now generate tailings again


2382e7 No.15171515

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailings#Pond_reclamation_by_microbiology

Endgame tech to reclaim tailings by creating deep water-solvent ground tailing ponds and dumping yeast into them to produce gasoline when?

Never, because shit indiedevs that couldn't actually do anything creative with an environmental game if their life depended on it.


09e373 No.15171550

After fiddling with worldgen settings, I've figured out that it's possible to create a world with no water by turning rivers off and setting plateau radius to 200-ish. Arrakis here we come.

>>15171454

>seems like a fucking terrible idea

That's the point. Terrible ideas can be just as fun as good ideas - sometimes more so.


bbadcf No.15171570

>>15171550

I've been fighting to make a world with some water, it's either flooded or none


2382e7 No.15171571

>>15171570

We could do Waterworld too. Except it'd need some tweaks to make building underwater less fucking dogshit, like being able to build ramps.


bbadcf No.15171573

>>15171571

you have to drain all water, by constructing blocks and then removing them


2382e7 No.15171575

>>15171573

Which is fucking dogshit, ergo me saying that it'd be better if it was less fucking dogshit.


bbadcf No.15171603

File: 6042c46000195b2⋯.webm (12.79 MB, 1606x892, 803:446, 2018-07-18 10-43-30.webm)

https://pastebin.com/Nw3UG7Ls

I however, do not trust the "seed" parameter. So it might end up different on someone's else machine


09e373 No.15171622

>>15171603

Very nice. You've gotten some good results from changing what blocks are used to build the terrain. I've just been trying to tweak the worldgen to naturally create more desert biome. I might have to "borrow" a bit of your work and combine it with what I've got - it could be promising.


bbadcf No.15171633

>>15171622

also, natural tailings might not even generate pollution


09e373 No.15171662

>>15171633

Yeah, you might be right. Maybe they just need a little time to work their magic, though. I combined your block tweaking with my terrain tweaking and I think the results look pretty good. I'm still doing some fine-tuning in EcoSim.eco, but I'll post what I've got once it's done.


b48402 No.15171800

>>15171603

>all that sand

oh boy, I can't wait for giant glass domes everywhere


09e373 No.15171901

EcoSim.eco

https://pastebin.com/tCw3GvSS

WorldGenerator.eco

https://pastebin.com/Acs6qHa0

EcoSim still needs tweaking, because I accidentally killed off the entire ecosystem while trying to make everything stop being so damn green, but this is what I've got so far.


83ab65 No.15172191

>>15171603

How do the overlays for plant yield potential look?

What about animal life on a tiny world?


bbadcf No.15172251

>>15172191

the plants are so so, some plants will have to be terraformed in (we get the seeds asap after world generation and store them until we can terraform where they can survive)

The game forces all plants into the map, so we are guaranteed to have a chance to save seeds.

about 75% of the plants will have a place to live from the get go however. But the temperature is basically 100% random regardless of your settings, so either we generate until we get all X,Y and Z to live comfortably, or store the seeds for when we finish terraforming.

I have no idea about animals, however


9bdd41 No.15173413

was playing singleplayer and decided to run the server to regrow the few trees i chopped. in just a day and a half i lost 3/4 population on every species. PLZ HELP i don't want to restart but i may as well at this point


9bdd41 No.15173426

File: a7009d12c0ef244⋯.jpg (101.39 KB, 1364x756, 341:189, just fuck my planet up.JPG)

>>15173413

here's a screenshot of the simulation. left is current, right was taken approximately 24 hours ago


bbadcf No.15173533

>>15173426

that's to be expected on the super small maps made out of sand and tailings

all species are spawned at game start, you either save all seeds or cry later


9bdd41 No.15173540

>>15173533

this isn't the arrakis world. this is just some side autism i was working on. worldgen is default, and i didn't change anything other than tree growth time


bbadcf No.15173573

>>15173540

well, same shit still applies, just less so.

starting placement of species does not take environment into consideration or some shit like that. So most stuff will just die out. There was a version that there was a chance stuff wouldn't even spawn, because it did take into consideration the environment

If this continues spiraling into extinction, then you got some other problem I don't know about


bbadcf No.15173892

File: 2935b4d0aee747f⋯.webm (13.43 MB, 1636x910, 818:455, 2018-07-18 22-00-47.webm)

I've found something MUCH more interesting than desert or small maps (both with are almost impossible to make a map with all species)


9bdd41 No.15173952

>>15173892

looks fun. what exactly did you change to get this?


bbadcf No.15174025

Frequency": 20.0,//high
"Lacunarity": 3,//average
"OctaveCount": 3,//low
"Persistence": 0.5,

also, lots of changes in plateau to try to get as many as possible. I am trying to remove all spikes and leave tons of plateaus

https://pastebin.com/NqPECmAk


09e373 No.15174198

File: a85de1a83f680a6⋯.jpg (29.44 KB, 480x616, 60:77, ohhhhh yes.jpg)

>>15173892

oh, I like this

I like this a lot


83ab65 No.15174214

New server when?

Wurm server when?


a29675 No.15174247

I'm sad that I missed this. It looks fun.


bbadcf No.15174307

File: 6a5a20d7e200c47⋯.webm (3.48 MB, 720x400, 9:5, 2018-07-19 00-03-24.webm)

FLAOT

I AM NOT SURE WHICH CONFIG CAUSED THIS, HOWEVER

PROBABLE ONE OF THESE MARKED WITH <<<<


"Plateau": {
"CliffStopsBeingSheerAtAngle": 0.60, <<<<
"CliffSheernessStartInterpolate": 6, <<<<
"MinPlateauHeight": -0.1,
"CliffChance": 1,
"RadiusRange": {
"min": 5.0,
"max": 40.0
},
"SlopeRange": {
"min": 0.0,
"max": 90.0
},
"RadiusNoiseFreq": 0.1, <<<<
"SplitPercentHeight": 0.2, <<<<
"StartSplittingAtRadiusPercent": 0.2, <<<<
"MinHeightToCarveUndercut": 0.5,
"OverhangChance": 1,
"MarkWithBlockType": {}
},

https://pastebin.com/zReDHAE7

I am still struggling with adding all species, it seems the map actually does not add them if they would just die. fucking temperature is 100% random, sometimes snow starts at sea level and the top of the mountains are -50

I will test more tomorrow, for now, I will go sleep

>>15174247

there will be a new one soon, quite a bit harder than last match.


bbadcf No.15174331

File: d1f054c3865af55⋯.webm (10.85 MB, 720x400, 9:5, 2018-07-19 00-03-24.webm)

>>15174307

higher quality


88098d No.15174363

Im kind of sad to see the old world go. I liked the little shitty hut and mine i had built. Smaller world and harder game doesnt sound too comfy to me either so i probably wont be joining again. It was fun while it lasted though.


ad3a6d No.15174388

>>15174307

Should there be a new one so soon? I'd guess anons get burned out on this. I'd wait for some updates, and figure out ways for pirates to use the web interface functions as that is sorely needed.


9bdd41 No.15174409

>>15174307

this looks good enough to endure the newfaggots ruining my hobo dreams


9bdd41 No.15174462

>>15174432

>>15174433

i assume the test drive was successful then?


09e373 No.15174731

File: 1d2424e513a7284⋯.jpg (29 KB, 375x305, 75:61, ok.jpg)


bbadcf No.15176433

File: 3298ca98f869d45⋯.webm (13.57 MB, 1200x670, 120:67, layer world.webm)

layer world


6dadbc No.15176438

>>15176433

Looks cool and all, but doesn't the accessibility of ores make things quite a bit easier?


bbadcf No.15176447

>>15176438

yes, but you can't have flaot without easy ores. I am still testing shit.

Also, even if you have easy access to ores, I wanna see you get them to where you need them


7c16e4 No.15176482

File: d55f4bb0f2524e4⋯.png (302 KB, 500x626, 250:313, originall.png)

>>15174214

>Wurm server when

If I was rich or had fast internet I'd do it myself and I'd do it right, damn it.

Free for all was a mistake

8k was an even bigger mistake

No starting sickles was also a mistake


bbadcf No.15176502

File: 9cb17457ca2b2f6⋯.webm (13.32 MB, 1200x688, 75:43, mountain discs.webm)

Well, I can't tell if I got tired after 3 hours of fucking making map after map after map.

But I am not that happy with this. It's not actually flaot, since it's not floating islands, it's just discs sticking to high mountains and lots of pillars.

Might still be fun to try and make a road network in this shit

The fact that it's a glacial world is just how this fucking map generator works, it's 100% random and I fucking hate it. sometimes it's desert map, sometimes it's glacial, sometimes it's shrubbery. Hardly any times it's a well fucking balanced world like it should always be

>>15176482

considering it takes less than a hour to get all tools, we might as well start with them all


bbadcf No.15176551

>>15176502

https://pastebin.com/jt4HepqL

the trick lies in

  "Plateau": {
(...)
"RadiusRange": {
"min": 20.0,
"max": 30.0
},(...)

very big values make layer worlds

very low values make dick words

average values make discs in mountains worlds


2382e7 No.15177681

When will be able to watch the meteor impact?


bbadcf No.15177723

>>15177681

create a single player map

type /meteorinpact or some shit, google the admin commands

it's pretty neat

Our server will only go down in flames either tomorrow or saturday, maybe before if the host finish his cuck obligations with his university


1206d4 No.15180843

Meteor event today at 1700GMT, in 3 hours, unless nobody shows up, in which case sometime tomorrow.


bbadcf No.15180914

>>15180843

new serb right after?


1206d4 No.15181005

>>15180914

Depends, but I'd say tomorrow, it doesn't seem like details have been decided.

Between 7.5 and 7.6 I don't see a huge incentive to update, especially since I'd have to reupload shit on my potato internet. I can do it if people really want to be on 7.6 for whatever reason.

Map, we've had a couple posted, which one do you want to use?

Any other changes to settings/mods?


2382e7 No.15181035

>>15181005

Just go with either FLAOT or >>15171603 this one as soon as possible, so we can get as much server time without extending it. At the same time, we'll have to rush our ass off if we both change the recipes for lasers to be more difficult/require more resources and expect to finish it in 15 or so days.


bbadcf No.15181068

>>15181005

7.6.1 is preferable, since it increases the difficulty with the return of tailings on blast furnaces, also, chainsaws and real estate trading


2382e7 No.15181502

File: 26c601f99aa7c40⋯.png (1.21 MB, 1680x1050, 8:5, niggerkiller got niggerkil….png)


bbadcf No.15181716

new serv when?

also, what happens if a world is born with no corn, for instance? it will just spawn if we terraform a high corn wield region?


1206d4 No.15181793

>>15181716

I think the corn will spawn in an unsuitable area and die after some time. You can check the corn overlay to see where it spawned. Serb tomorrow.


bbadcf No.15181918

>>15181793

playing on some random server that started today while I wait, I learn't that you can't trust the overlay.

I was sad that there was no claimed rice, and went to huckleberries, only to find rice there, which the map didn't show.

Maybe it spawns based on biomes


1206d4 No.15181972

>>15181918

The map usually shows it, only that in low density locations it can get ridiculously faint blue, that you normally wouldn't notice. It helps to use the Yield overlay on normal maps, since high yield areas will usually spawn the plant on their own.




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