34c03f No.15111265
2 more days to the Anniversary Event at Anime expo.
Livestreamsof it will be available at twitch.tv/animeexpo and https://www.facebook.com/animeexpo/
Have you already completed Camelot or are you taking your time? Don't worry, the grind will return soon with the summer event.
Questions this time:
>Who is best brown?
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
8c3ef6 No.15111348
>Who is best brown?
Nitocris. **Because I got her with a ticket.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Eh, mostly synchronicity and meme magic doing all the heavy lifting.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
10/10/10 but no levels added yet after her most recent ascension. I've a shit ton of Servants that need levels, but the events have been keeping me busy. Nobu needs five levels to max, Arjuna needs another twenty levels, Kintoki is still in his 40s, Raikou is in her 30s, Ozymandias is 21 and Nitocris is 14. So… Kinda looking forward to downtime.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Nah, don't really give a fuck about any of them.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Saber or Mordred. Though Gaheris(?) sounded kind of cute, too. Though having Gawain and Agravain hovering over me might get old real fast.
8c3ef6 No.15111352
>>15111348
Oh, my three day ban was lifted because the mods checked that I wasn't ban evading!
Thanks for that.
f20e9e No.15111386
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
Angry Man Jew
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Not for a long while . . . until I rolled Ramses II yesterday with a ticket. I am happy. I think I will be content to save up until Gramps or Sherlock or Summer
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
No
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Not yet, but I am planning on doing my summoning on the beach, provided it comes out in at least the next month. Any later and it will be too cold to swim.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Don't really care for any of them. Gawain I suppose.
3967ad No.15111405
Anyone knows the name of the song that plays when Bedivere reveals the truth?
484aaf No.15111470
>Who is best brown?
Nitocris
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Nope. Last two times I pulled hard were Jeanne Alter and Raikou. I haven't gotten a 5* since London.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Yep.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Nope. Saving up for the next shot at Jeanne Alter (sometime around Nero Olympics?)
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
My lead Servant: Lancer Alter
8c3ef6 No.15111480
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15111405
Mind throwing a vid with the time at me, would be easier to know which one you mean that way. But I know one of the songs was from Garden of Avalon.
024bb7 No.15111531
how does tristan's attack work?
3967ad No.15111536
>>15111480
Thanks but I found it, Starlight
8c3ef6 No.15111548
>>15111531
In-game mechanics or how his bow is supposed to function?
>>15111536
>Starlight
Called it, Garden of Avalon soundtrack.
b651a3 No.15111549
>It will have been almost two weeks since the anniversary before the celebration is even announced.
Fucking wew. I know AX is one of the biggest conventions in America and therefore a marketing goldmine, but god damn.
>Who is best brown?
I want to say Rider Mordred, but if that doesn't count, then Irritated Mango.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Yes? I wanted Ozy but got Jeanne instead. Still a new 5 star and she did help out with Camelot.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Yes.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Of course. I plan to use max bond lv 100 10/10/10 Mordred to summon for Miss SuMor.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Mordred, clearly. I'd prefer to spend my life with her though.
>>15111531
The Tristan you fight in Camelot deals increased damage to all classes except Shielder, and receives neutral damage from all classes except Saber, which he's weak to.
f94f98 No.15111556
>>15111531
It works by feeding you massive amounts of free NP gauge to force feed him with.
06e1b6 No.15111579
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
Grandpa Hassan
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Good enough. Raikou on the last roll.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Working on her, Rider Kintoki, Elizabeth and preparing for Ass Scat, so not yet.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
This summer event has zero thingsI want. however the fact that Nero Caster and Raikou lancer share no banner drives me to drink.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Sir "thots be slain" Agravain
>>15111549
>The Tristan you fight in Camelot deals increased damage to all classes except Shielder, and receives neutral damage from all classes except Saber, which he's weak to.
Not completely accurate. Ruler and Avenger both take and deal neutral damage as well. Berserker is also the same as usual. The rest is right though.
024bb7 No.15111582
I mean how does his sound attack work?
06e1b6 No.15111585
b651a3 No.15111595
>>15111579
Are you sure that's not just the final fight? I remember taking a friend's Cu Alter and not getting bonus damage with him. Just to be sure I checked a video and the player's Raikou didn't get bonus damage either.
8c3ef6 No.15111598
>>15111582
Nips have had this long-standing misunderstanding about how vacuums and wind work; you can see it in various anime and in their mythology regarding the wind weasel "kamaitachi".
They think it's possible to cut something with wind, vacuums and even sound waves. So the idea is that he's strumming his harp and cutting with sound waves. How it can be dodged if it's a sound wave, I don't understand. Maybe it's concentrated somehow into a "blade" of some kind.
But yeah, magic.
06e1b6 No.15111615
>>15111598
According to Side Materials you can't dodge except by "hopping dimensions". Then again it also says he can make "sonic traps" that can be left on mountains to activate when you step on them so it's really fuckong stupid.
c5ea81 No.15111618
>>15111579
Someone had to do it eventually.
024bb7 No.15111620
>>15111598
does tristan attack that way in his own legend? they gave him harp of healing. I think the way it works is that he shoots an invisible arrow that attacks at sound speed
06e1b6 No.15111640
>>15111620
No mention of sonic weapons as far as real mythologies. Side Materials plainly state it uses Sonic Vacuum Waves though, so it's Nasu taking liberties.
2e6b5c No.15111725
>Who is best brown?
Pic related
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Pulled Shishou and Banana Loli with a few tickets in the last months, and I feel those pulls will fuck me up in the ass when the Merlin banner comes along
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
already 10/10/10 before Camelot arrives
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
nah, I'll probaly throw a couple of tickets, whichever comes along will be fine
So, what we're supposed to get in the anniversary event?
31006b No.15111761
Best brown girl and best F/GO doujin. I don't play gacha games though, but at least there's plenty of porn.
(C92) [Marutori no Chazuke (Torichamaru)] Seihitsu-chan wa Sawareraretai (Fate/Grand Order)
0ffbde No.15111823
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
Someone already called Manjew, so Redman.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Haven't rolled recently.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Took a hand intermission to get her to 70 in the middle of Camelot.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Nah.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Motherfucking Gawain.
>>15111598
>How it can be dodged
It can't. It's just more bullshit coming from the Archer class. He can also use his harp to fly, incidentally.
f94f98 No.15111853
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
バーサーカーは世界で一番強いんだから！
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Yeah, I rolled Nitocris and Saberlot without much issue and both oni lolis before that. Ozy eluded me but Kintoki is more than good enough for me.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Mine is 10/10/10. I still need to finish Camelot for her 4* though.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
No, I will just roll when the feeling is right. I want that ruler Martha and Kiyohime.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Spending a weekend bullying Mordred sounds fun. Maybe Gareth too if there is ever more info about her.
fa5205 No.15111873
>>15111265
>Who is best brown
>roll for Nito, get Serenity instead
>her opening line upon being summoned is to devote herself entirely to you, body and soul
>those cliche waifubait scenes from the main story
Top tier. Now if only her kit wasn't trash.
b651a3 No.15111892
>>15111873
Serenity's good for poison memes when paired with Shuten, and she could probably do well with Robin Hood. I saw a video of a nip player fighting the Phantasmal Tree in Anastasia's Lostbelt and it was taking some 40K poison damage each turn.
f94f98 No.15111918
>>15111873
Aside from poison memes like >>15111892 mentioned she is solid for stall teams too. A NP drain + the NP seal on her NP is pretty nice.
a475c7 No.15111939
>Who is best brown?
Gonna have to go with Angry Man Jew because he finally answered my call.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Last four tickets got me Victor of the Moon, Lu Bu, that new three star Archer, and Origin Bullet. Not too bad all things considered.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
It took some time to complete Camelot but she's maxed out for now.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
Not gonna do much to prepare but I guess I could do something.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
I'd like to hang out with Gawain and have debates on female beauty and what sizes are best. If he's not raging about trying to serve a king or kill a former comrade he seems like a pretty chill guy.
7c53cd No.15111953
Taking back our future? Those beauties of perfect phenotypes? Absolutely.
f20e9e No.15111981
Say, when does Sherlock Holmes come out anyways?
306042 No.15112120
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
Solomon's Waifu in 2 years.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
I got Banana Oni and Carmilla off some tix and a 10 roll during Onigashima, so it's going fine so far. 20 4* servants not counting welfares is a pretty great number. No 5* for more than half a year though, I'm starting to get annoyed.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Maxed and fou'd, she's brety gud now.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
The only catalyst I have is my burning desire for a waifu to MUDAMUDA shit hard. Watch me get Beowulf instead of Martha.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Lancelot Berserker
How come Mash's internal Galahad is fine with his Berserker form but fucking loathes Saber?
I think I'm gonna spend tickets and a 10-roll on the KOTR banner just so I can get more copies of Bedi. The most loyal knight deserves it.
>>15111579
>>15111618
Agravain truly is the Supreme Gentleman
2e6b5c No.15112129
>>15111981
looks like he'll be avaliable in the next anniversary's banner, according to the cirnopedia
d686d9 No.15112383
>get Angry Man Jew off a free Friend Roll
>all my luck is gone now, can't even get decent CEs off tickets
>realize saving for Merlin and Grandpa will only end in disappointment
dda3e7 No.15112443
>Who is best brown?
I don't know who is best brown, just that I like Serenity and Nitocris. Manjew I'm partial too but I don't have him yet even when I spend over 800K FP.
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
Spent 2x10 rolls to get 1 Nito. When I had 55 quartz from all the collecting I did from all the free quests and completing camelot, I did two FP rolls, waited a bit, and a odd feeling, did a 1 3 quartz roll. I got Ozymandias from it.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
Just need to max her level, I actually maxed out her skills. Waiting for the Anniversary bonuses.
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
I have never used catalysts, and I don't know if I want to run quartz on summer. This is largely situational, since I have alot of servants…
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Moedred, Gawain, or Arturia.
I just had a disturbing thought earlier, what would Fate/Grand Order be like If it was an awful American Saturday morning cartoon show?
f20e9e No.15112467
>>15111386
I'm making adjustments to this post. No, I will not be using a summer catalyst because I found out that I really don't care about any of the summer servants this time around. It's just those four, right? I'd rather wait for a chance to grab Squirtoria and/or microbikini loli.
5028b3 No.15112501
>>15112467
There's two separate banners and two parts to the summer event you dingus. Squirtoria is this year.
5028b3 No.15112510
>>15112467
For context this is what next year's banners will look like.
fa5205 No.15112523
>>15112510
>Buster! shirt Nobu and tenga Nero in the same banner
How can Raikou even stand a chance?
5028b3 No.15112535
>>15112523
With Maid Alter holding a Dragunov that's how.
Also Raikou Lancer is one of, if not the best 4 star lancer in the game kit wise.
f20e9e No.15112536
>>15112501
>>15112510
Cheers. I must have overlooked it on the wikipedia. I can't navigate that shit for the life of me.
a475c7 No.15112544
>>15112443
It'd be an atrocious mix of GI Joe and American history with all the protagonist characters being completely one dimensional and "safe" people to idealize. The villains would be incompetent terrorists that try to change time because they hate freedom and democracy or something like that.
fa5205 No.15112559
>>15112535
Well that is a very convincing counter arguement but I'm still gunning for Buster! Nobu for the memes.
5028b3 No.15112569
>>15112443
>>15112544
>every single singularity is "why can't we all just get along and live in harmony"
>the bad guys are actually trying to keep history in it's current sexist and racist form while the good guys try to "fix it" by making each era more tolerant and diverse
>story ends in the current year with everyone in the world brown and willing to have sex with anything singing kumbaya
>>15112559
Nobu's kit is actually really good for a large number of bosses and she has some of the highest damage potential out of the 4* Zerkers
Not as good as Herk of course
a475c7 No.15112606
>>15112569
Oh wow that's somehow even worse than what I put forth and terrifyingly believable.
>>15112510
When that banner appears I'm gunning for Berserker Oda and Saber Fran.
0ffbde No.15112632
>>15112443
>I just had a disturbing thought earlier, what would Fate/Grand Order be like If it was an awful American Saturday morning cartoon show?
Instead if incinerating the Human Order all at once, Solomon would keep showing up in individual Singularities, where a team of Heroic Spirits would have to fight him. Every once in a while, one or the other would get their own episode. (You) and (You)(Female) would be the human supporters (the Sam Witwicky's), along with Roman (the tech support) and Mashu (the Bumblebee) followed along by the kid friendly plushie Fou. Each episode ends with Solomon summoning a Demon Pillar, but then fleeing for no reason
After Season 2, F/GO: The Movie comes out. Goetia just decides to go all out and incinerate everything, and takes out almost all of the main cast so they can sell new toys in the first 15 minutes, before Ars Nova happens, and the next 40 minutes or so is spent fighting another Beast. It's followed by an awful Season 3 for EoR memes, and the proper Season 4 only gets released in Japan and has an entirely different plot featuring more human characters.
590019 No.15112892
>>15111265
So i just downloaded this game.
What do?
f94f98 No.15112918
>>15112892
Reroll until you get a 5*. Have fun.
5028b3 No.15112921
>>15111892
Uninstall, never look back. It's a shit game.
5028b3 No.15112927
620d73 No.15112953
>>15112921
>>15112927
Why did you "correct" yourself? You didn't fuck up the first time.
de21eb No.15113011
>>15112892
Uninstall game from phone
Get Nox
Create as many accounts as your patience allows for (hope you like playing the tutorial over and over again)
Pray tomorrow's anniversary gives a bunch of tickets and SQ
Use them all to reroll until you get a 5* of choice or a bunch of decent 4*
Create a transfer code
Install and transfer the account to your phone
894b53 No.15113087
>>15112892
you poor bastard.
0ffbde No.15113827
>>15112892
Hey buddy.
That's hell you're walking into.
36605b No.15113997
>>15112892
And re-roll until you get something you're comfortable with playing for a while. Try not to start out with something like Siegfried or Stheno.
a475c7 No.15114542
I was really underestimating how hard Arash's NP hits after his interlude. He easily does 40+k damage to sabers at level 60. I test out if it can somehow work out for quick farming against Lancers in the daily quests.
758316 No.15115024
Anniversary celebration confirmed for tomorrow, maintenance during the AX stream. Don't shaft us on the quartz like you did for the Zero collab DW.
http://fate-go.us/news/?category=MAINTENANCE&article=%2Fiframe%2F2018%2F0707_maintenance%2F
5028b3 No.15115156
>>15115024
>announce the maintenance to add the event before you announce the event itself
ac961d No.15115392
>Who is best brown?
Okita Alter
>Has the Gacha Luck been on your side on your last rolls?
They've been alright. Got my best Bro in Saber form and then another copy of Zerkerlot to NP4. I decided to actually hunker down and get my favorite Farmer to level 100 since I'm actually kinda looking forward to the devastation an NP5 level 100 Lancelot Zerk can do. Won't be as good as Mama Raikou for sure but, he deserves it being my first 4 star that wasn't Stheno and spooking me three(Technically 4) more times after the fact.
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite Kouhai?
She was already maxed out before Rashomon, but I did get her to level 70 after Camelot
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts?
I'm gonna do what I always do; just my simple ritual of pulling til I get a 4 star CE or better; then multi. Maybe kick it up a little by playing Quartz sign in the background.
>Which Knight of the Round Table would you most like to spend a weekend with?
Lancelot, definitely. I'd also say Agravain because I feel bad for him, but he'd probably hate that but Lancelot is at least a relatively chill guy I can relax with.
>>15112120
Well I imagine Galahad doesn't recognize Berserker Lancelot. I don't think he witnessed exactly how far her fell and if you remember in the second interlude Lancelot took off his Helmet but still refused to show his Face. So Mashu wasn't able to determine who he was and with a powerful enough noble phantasm he has to do that, Galahad probably can't even feel that it's Lancelot either.
Another question though; Do you think Berserker Lancelot is aware that Mashu is Galahad as well? When you ask him about the grail he utters his name.
5028b3 No.15115433
>>15112120
>How come Mash's internal Galahad is fine with his Berserker form but fucking loathes Saber?
He has an NP called "For Someone's Glory" it's the fog that obscures his Berserker form, it's why King Arthur didn't immediately figure out it was Lancelot in Zero. The same trait should still be active at all times and if nobody tells Mashu that it's Lancelot (Since he can't really tell you his name) Galahad probably can't pick up on his Dad through the NP even if Mashu knows.
68dafd No.15115469
>nasushit
>gatchashit
I think this combination qualifies as a breach of the Geneva Conventions.
758316 No.15115567
http://news.fate-go.jp/2018/goetterdaemmerung/
Lostbelt 2 announced on JP.
"One of the three great organizations in the world of magecraft, said to be the primordial, final "wall": Wandering Sea Baldanders.
Shrouded in divine mysteries predating the Common Era, they do not acknowledge the advancement and change of magecraft that civilization has brought about.
—Holding magecraft from the Age of Gods as their absolute and founding principle, they are a pillar of magecraft which is incompatible with modern day society.
Their territory is where the coordinates - received by the Shadow Border from an unknown transmission - point.
Relying on unreliable information that cannot be confirmed, their next destination is the island from the Age of the Gods which is hidden in the northern sea, but—
The stage for the second Lostbelt, [Century of Eternal Flame and Ice: Gotterdammerung - The Jolly Fellow of the Undying Flame] is in Northern Europe. The continuation of the story begins in a world where snow and flames cover its mountaintops."
Predicting the Lostbelt King this time is either Surtr with Laevateinn or Sigurd with Gram. I still think the Crypter Servant is Napoleon, though I've seen guesses he might be Henry Shrapnel.
ac961d No.15115619
>>15115567
Eh, they also previously showed him with a Big Cannon. I mean there's also the 12 pound cannon that was used during the Napoleonic Wars but he's wearing a British Uniform, so I'm guessing it's Henry
24cef1 No.15116100
I've got a question:
Is the length of the Singularitys from now on comparable to Camelot?
It feels a shitton longer and way more fleshed out than the previous ones, even having multiple scenes before and after battles.
36605b No.15116280
>>15116100
Curious about it, too. Liked that the story was a lot better, but holy fuck I had to schedule around this shit suddenly.
dda3e7 No.15116738
>>15115392
I got Zerkerlot to NP4 as well, he was one of my more common zerker appearances. Hell, aside from Raikou and Kintoki, I have every zerker in the game.
The fact that they haven't capitalized that Lancelot knew Mashu had Galahad was rather annoying. They could have put zerker in the story and would it have spiced it up a bit.
I'm a bad person, forgetting my first 5 star, Altera, the delicious brown autistic women.
0ffbde No.15116760
>>15115567
>we're actually getting Surtr
On the one hand, I'm glad because I called him back in London. On the other hand, I was hoping for Beast Class. But Lost Belt King is fine too I guess.
>>15116100
Babylon is a bit unusual. It's a lot longer than the others, but since the Singularity is lower ranked and you have Merlin, it's actually easier than Camelot. You spend most of the early part doing basically fetch quests, submit goddesses with your penis, and finally reach the end-boss. Unlike Camelot, where you take on the end-boss at Chapter 17, you only go to Chapter 15 in Babylonia. Then Chapter 16 starts and everything goes full Heaven's Feel.
Camelot should be treated as the standard for "length per Chapter" but not for the individual singularities. The events in particular stay about the same in length, with the notable exception of CCC.
faa57e No.15116903
>>15116738
Wtf would an Altera Alter even be? She's already murderous and angry, would they do it as a joke and make her Moe? They already did that in Extella when she is reincarnated as your daughteru
758316 No.15116918
>>15116903
Sefar in a restrained Servant form, probably. After Mecha Liz nothing would surprise me. Or maybe a version of her that embraces her role as Atilla/destruction and relishes in it as opposed to the distasteful resignation she has towards it otherwise.
484aaf No.15116928
>>15116918
I could definitely imagine Sephyr as a Foreigner Class giant boss, I don't know about Servant though.
5028b3 No.15116933
>>15116928
Being a foreigner means being a human that has either "touched the madness outside and survived or consumed it". Things that originated outside of humantiy (Sephyr) wouldn't be able to be servants.
758316 No.15116940
>>15116928
Foreigner seems like it's going to be reserved for Lovecraft related beings, as in they're 'foreigners' to reality in general. Given how she works I could see Sefar as a 'sub-boss' for Beast The VI similar to how Kiara was Beast The III-L. Amaterasu and Nero can also become Beasts, so that's why I say The VI, since Prototype revealed that one is Literally Satan and Nero's the Whore of Babylon.
ac68c0 No.15116949
>>15111265
>Who is best brown?
Nitocris.
>Has gacha luck been on your side
FUCKING NO
>Have you already maxed out everybody's favorite kouhai
Yes, on JP
>Are you already preparing your summer event catalysts
My tickets, yeah. No rituals for me. They don't work. Ticket summoning does though. It's been scientifically proven because I've gotten a lot of good pulls with it.
>Which KotRT would you most like to spend a weekend with?
None.
Mordred is a shitty literal (wo)manchild that only ever thinks of Daddy and is the worst 5☆ saber in the game right now, both gameplay and story wise.
faa57e No.15116952
>>15116918
What confused me now is when are we getting a Liz Alter. She's right there in Extella, the possibilities for a dumb-evil Liz are endless, and adorable
f94f98 No.15116954
>>15116903
>She's already murderous and angry,
Not really, she is just autistic as fuck. Go play extella if you want a better glimpse into her personality.
0ffbde No.15116957
>>15116949
>worst in gameplay
>when Saber exists
758316 No.15116958
>>15116952
Isn't that kind of just Carmilla though? And honestly, if we get Corroded Elisabeth before Archimedes I imagine at least a few people will be angery.
Personally I hope Archie ends up being the single target 3 star Casters desperately need.
c5ea81 No.15116962
>>15116949
Isn't Void Shiki the objectively worst SSR Saber?
0ffbde No.15116968
>>15116962
Void can do instadeath memes and can take stupidly high amounts of damage over time. This makes her useful in falling. With her 1st Skill high enough, she can even take out things like the faggot Enforcement Knights, which saves a lot of time.
0ffbde No.15116970
>>15116968
*Farming
She can survive long falls too, though.
5028b3 No.15116980
>>15116949
>5☆ saber in the game right now, both gameplay and story wise.
>Mordred is worse than her father gameplay wise
>Worse than Void Shiki
>>15116968
Shiki's first two skills want her to be an ST servant, but her insta-kill wants her to be AoE, and her last skill wants her to be on a stall team. At least Artoria is a straightforward "press button for damage".
Either way though no way is Mordred worse than Artora or Shiki.
faa57e No.15116982
>>15116954
I did, and her servant form is always grumpy and threatening murder. I'm basing it off that, not how she is at the end.
>>15116958
Archie is going to be a 4 star at the very least, he's too central to the plot.
758316 No.15116995
>>15116982
I just want fewer golds added. Sure they get lower stats, but they're also easier to get in the first place. I'd also like more bronzes for the same reason.
0ffbde No.15116997
>>15116980
Mordred is better by virtue of having an NP charge and Clarent being marginally more useful than Excalibur, but Void is significantly better than Artoria as the game is right now. The biggest thing she suffers from at the moment is not having an NP Interlude.
Meanwhile, Artoria has fucking Instinct.
f94f98 No.15116998
>>15116958
Medea is already a great ST 3* caster.
>>15116982
Altera is basically an anon in servant form.
758316 No.15117014
>>15116998
Medea's good yeah, but I meant something more along the lines of Robin Hood, where his NP is pure damage instead of pseudo-support like Rule Breaker. They already gave him the perfect one in Extella too.
0ffbde No.15117098
>>15117014
Robin's kind of an outlier in that regard. Medea puts out fairly solid DoT on account of how much she can spam RURU BREAKAH, though.
Damage dealing Casters get fucked right off the bat by having reduced damage. Even a Jeanne Alter tier ATK rating would still make an offensive caster hit like a noodle. The better option is to use a Berserker if you're up against Assassins and need to deal damage. Merlin, Waver, Hans, and Shakespere can all help keep your beatstick alive pretty effectively.
4aa956 No.15118035
>>15117098
>not using Halloween Liz and Nursery Rhyme in combination to turn Rhyme into 3 turns of pure Assassin genocide
f20e9e No.15118046
>>15116957
Saber has charisma
f94f98 No.15118165
>>15118046
Which stacks poorly with most supports. A NP gauge charge is more useful on the whole for an AOE servant. Since both are mostly farming servants being able to NP off of a starting NP CE without outside help is a huge boon.
dda3e7 No.15118621
>>15115392
I hope to god they aren't spending a lot of money on this, fucking hell.
0ffbde No.15118771
>>15118035
There are considerably more people with an NP5 Medea than an NP1 Nursery Rhyme.
>>15118046
>Charisma
>good
It's a meh-tier skill at best. The Charisma variants are acceptable, with Merlin's making a joke out of all of them, but vanilla Charisma is not great.
77c3ee No.15118958
>>15118035
>mfw NP2 Alice with Halloween Liz+2x2030 against a team of Assassin's
Have her at 80/6/6/6 and she just melts through them.
024bb7 No.15119011
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damn even in a spin off like this archer is trying to kill shirou
bfdb6c No.15119061
>>15119011
>>15119024
Nasuverse volleyball v2…nice.
024bb7 No.15119194
there is actually some good discussion on /a/
about Artoria and how Iskander was wrong
5028b3 No.15119208
>>15119194
>Artoria
>right
>ever
She failed miserable at what she wanted to do, meanwhile succeeded at what he wanted to do. In the mean time Gilgamesh was more successful than both of them. The entire point of the banquet was to show that humans don't crave an equal in leadership, but a tyrant. Whether or not you agree with this is up to you.
024bb7 No.15119259
>>15119208
she failed but the point is she was the captain of a sinking ship and she is just like shiro in that she doesnt have a lot of self worth and thinks someone else could do it but she was the best choice. you should take a look at it >>>/a/838590
5028b3 No.15119309
>>15119259
The entire point of the Nasuverse retelling of Saber's story is yes, she did do it wrong
>but her people survived the Age of Man
Oh the irony, this is almost as good as when Saxons wait for their once and future king kek
05493d No.15119371
>only really wanted Serenity from this banner
>get a copy after a few rolls
>okay
>play through the story
>starting to want Nitocris
>well, worse case scenario: NP2 or 3 Serenity
>use up all the story missions quartz as they come
>only got spare copies of Hundred Hassan, just enough to NP5 what is rateup, but I'll take it
>last few hours of the banner, do a couple of leftover free quests and finish Stheno's interlude for quartz for one last roll
>no rainbow sparks or fancy effects
>wait, it's gold… Rider
WRONG PHAROAH
Not funny, Stheno
77c3ee No.15119402
>>15119208
>She failed miserable at what she wanted to do,
She succeeded though; her people lived on and she met the end she knew she would from the get go. The only misstep was that she forgot the original reason why.
>The entire point of the banquet was to show that humans don't crave an equal in leadership, but a tyrant.
How about you actually read the novel instead.
>>15119309
>The entire point of the Nasuverse retelling of Saber's story is yes, she did do it wrong
Nah, the point is that humans can't deal with their own ideals. Emiya and Saber are both the literal epitome of an ideal and no one could bear looking at it.
>Oh the irony, this is almost as good as when Saxons wait for their once and future king kek
Is a meme pushed by shitty anthropologist that has been disproven by genetic studies long ago. Additionally it's been noted that none of the citizens died in the conflict, living on past the quantum time-lock of "Britain must fall".
f43472 No.15119426
f20e9e No.15119432
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>>15119402
>>15119208
Point or not, it is true. In an almost ironic fashion, humans crave a hierarchy, and perhaps even subconsciously crave being lead by strong leaders.
77c3ee No.15119440
>>15119432
That's demonstrably false, though. It goes in a cycle of democracy => oligarchy => tyranny => democracy generally, as was already noted in ancient Greece.
77c3ee No.15119456
>>15119440
*tyranny => oligarchy => democracy
024bb7 No.15119584
the anniversary event is supposed to add things like grails being used for raising the level cap and 3 quartz summon instead of 4. they have been delaying the anniversary so if they dont give us some extra things it will be pretty bullshit
2cccfb No.15119713
>>15119584
>we deserve more shit because we got everything the japs had to wait for a year for
Interesting logic
024bb7 No.15119779
>>15119713
were supposed to get 30 saint quartz for the anniversary. i'll be pissed if we get anything less
552907 No.15120065
>>15119713
>you got a present on last year's birthday, so you won't get any this year
That's not how celebrations work, fam.
faae24 No.15120117
>>15120065
Tell that to Ateam. They don't put any effort into their global events, and they purposely keep shit away from global players.
becfe4 No.15120180
>>15120117
>Ateam
Disclosure: I had to look them up and apparently, I've actually played one of their games. For about a week. And only because it had the word "Valkyrie" in it. And then never touched again because it felt like super-generic grindy p2w mobage #2345. The rest of their catalog seems to be in the same vein.
If what you say is true, then their playerbase should give them shit about it. Or better yet move on to something else. As much as I gripe about FGO, it at least doesn't feel generic and at least isn't entirely f2p unfriendly.
becfe4 No.15120203
>>15120180
I just noticed my id changed three times across three different posts in less than 5 hours.
>inb4 samefagging
probably cause I'm phoneposting
8ab1e5 No.15120298
>>15120065
>time traveler takes your present from the future and gives it your past self
>future self is pisssed he can't get a present that was already given
f20e9e No.15120336
>>15119456
>>15119440
You're not completely wrong but you're also forgetting an important element. It's always after 'democracy' that the civilization collapses.
5028b3 No.15120754
>>15120065
Are you the type of fag who thinks NA should get the same amount of apologems that JP got in it's first year?
b133ff No.15121118
Got Mordred to Bond 10 after finishing off Goddess Rhongomyniad.
For anyone curious, the Bond CE's text refers to Mordred as female.
5028b3 No.15121163
>>15121118
Post screenshot, give me a giggle
becfe4 No.15121176
>>15120298
No, I just expect a different present in the future in its place. It's not my fault, I got something extra beforehand in the past, we're talking about NOW. Again, I don't think you retards understand how a yearly celebration works.
And speaking of, it's not even a yearly thing, since they left us hanging for 2 weeks just for their precious live event.
Anyway, it's all moot discussing this now, we'll know more in a couple of hours maybe. I'll save further bitching till after, maybe they will pleasantly surprise us, they won't
>>15120754
Apologems are one for every hour of downtime? That's standard across the two servers already. So..?
b133ff No.15121193
>>15121163
What do you mean
It's in the effect text.
5028b3 No.15121201
>>15121193
I thought you meant under details. What does the lore bit say for the CE?
53f0dc No.15121204
>>15121118
It's super inconsistent, Bedivere also does even though the original text has no pronoun, and they used both in Camelot where it made no sense.
b133ff No.15121235
>>15121201
The lore bit's just what you find on Cirnopedia.
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/craft_essence_profile.php?essence=266#nav
>>15121204
Trust me, I of all people know about the inconsistencies. It makes some sense in Camelot though since she was acting as a KotR there and the others had never seen her face. The Profile entries are where it doesn't make any sense.
53f0dc No.15121247
>>15121235
I meant with Arash, it would only make sense if she had her helmet on in that case, since it obscures her appearance and parameters.
77c3ee No.15121347
>>15121118
Bitching. But it's still pretty inconsistent. Though I think no one was aware of her gender in Camelot, originally.
faae24 No.15121392
>>15120180
The playerbase in their games has been dropping, since they don't do shit for global players (Ateam said global doesn't deserve the Japanese perks because no one spends the money the Japanese do on shit games like Unison). If you thought FGO events are bad, you never experienced Valkyrie's "Through the Sky" (event was killed early, and they didn't give players enough time to use any of the coins to buy shit) the buggy broken Xmas, Nye, and Chinese Nye events (bossed were buggy, and most of the rewards sucked or were nonexistent), and the shitty attempt to let global players celebrate Japanese VC's 2nd year anniversary (you didn't even get enough diamonds for a x10 pull, and global didn't get upgraded versions of 2 old heroes the Japanese are using now. I don't know why they bothered putting this shit up on global). At least FGO's 3 mil campaign hooked you up with a 4* Heracles, Emiya, or Carmilla if you needed a good 4.
>>15120754
He's not saying "Waaah gimme free shit," but doing nothing for people who are keeping your game alive with downloads or forking cash for waifus is pretty boneheaded if you want to keep your players happy.
>>15121118
Been meaning to ask this, which servants' CEs are worth the max bond (besides Heracles)?
becfe4 No.15121414
>>15121235
Well the profile entries have the benefit of third person knowledge: the player knows Mordred is biologically female, while the knights are speaking in character: Mordred is treated as a man. I didn't really notice if any character ingame uses "she" for Mordred but I wasn't paying attention to that.
b133ff No.15121431
>>15121414
The problem with her profile entries using male pronouns is that in Japanese they specifically use word like Kanojo, which means either female or girlfriend depending on context.
0ffbde No.15121468
>>15120754
>he bitches about people wanting free shit
>he also does it for free
I didn't realize corporate whores like you existed anywhere but reddit, and yet here we are.
53f0dc No.15121518
>>15121414
The knights are fine, but how does an A rank Clairvoyant like Arash somehow mistake her for a man?
77c3ee No.15121635
>>15121392
>Been meaning to ask this, which servants' CEs are worth the max bond (besides Heracles)?
Heracles is an exception.
Some of the Servants with instant kill chance moves have bond CE that improve the chance which makes it useful in stacking those improvements, others have decent synergy with what they do for the rest of the team like Jack the Ripper. But generally the 100/100 stats plus the cost just means there's always something way better you could be using.
6263a5 No.15121649
>>15121468
What is that a screenshot of?
aa48e6 No.15121661
>>15121468
The fuck is that?
aa48e6 No.15121664
4dd7f5 No.15121719
>>15121518
Excuse you, he didn't want to assume Sir's genderI don't really know Arash's lore but could his clairvayonce be enough to realise Mordred would flip her shit if he treated her like a woman? That is to say, flip her shit even harder than she already was.
306042 No.15121756
>>15121392
Medea Lily's CE increases her healing output, Nightingale does the same but with a party Buster buff, Proto Cu's CE gives him extra dmg making him the designated furry slayer, Georgios gives everyone else in the party a one-use invincibility and dmg cut buff after his death, Merlin gives everyone in the party both extra Buster damage and extra crit damage, Angry Man Jew's CE gives him a 1-turn guts and class advantage over Beast bosses. Those are all the notable CEs I believe, the rest are mediocre Buster/Quick/Arts buffs easily replaced with better CEs.
I hate that despite the herculean task of getting a servant up until bond 10 is mediocre CEs that are for the most part fucking trash that can be easily replaced by better 4* CEs you can get spooked by during rolls. That and the fact that you can't get bond quartz anymore, making you bench your favorite servants until they're needed again.
4dd7f5 No.15121765
By the way, the livestream is up.
>Retards cheering for shit that was
already expected like it was a surprise
0ffbde No.15121782
>>15121756
Beowulf gives Dmg Up vs. Dragons, so if you're sticking him with George and Siegfried for meme dreams then that works. My only real mission right now is to get Angry Manjew to Bond 10 before Babylonia, though.
f20e9e No.15121792
>>15121782
>before Babylonia
HAHAHA
Is it possible? I want this too. My Manjew will be grailed to 100 as well so am especially desperate to get him to bond 10 quickly
0ffbde No.15121802
>>15121792
With LB Lunchtime, anything is possible.
Also:
>10 Saint Quartz
Those fucking faggots.
a475c7 No.15121804
>>15121392
George has a pretty decent CE. When he dies everyone else gets 1 attack invincibility and damage reduction for 3 turns.
f20e9e No.15121814
>>15121802
>10 SQ
As opposed to what? How many did the Japs get?
0ffbde No.15121823
a475c7 No.15121827
>>15121814
I could be wrong but I believe they got 30 SQ.
b133ff No.15121829
>only 10
Fucking christ albert
5028b3 No.15121868
>>15121468
I'm all for free shit but if you're expecting the same level of changes for the first year celebration after the hell that JP went through you are in for a rough surprise.
691e01 No.15121897
>Waver plus the two motherfucking story limited Casters
>after I burned Cu like a retard
Fuck yeah
0ffbde No.15121918
>>15121897
>actually spending money after this piss-poor showing
Go fill out the user survey and tell them how shit they are. This game deserves to be shut down.
b133ff No.15121949
a475c7 No.15121966
>>15121949
I would've liked 20 more SQ but it is pretty funny watching all these people utterly fail at getting what they want.
0ffbde No.15121979
>>15121966
No, what's funny is the dumbasses that are still doing the paid gacha even after this bullshit. People who cuck out forfeit the right to complain.
306042 No.15121984
>>15121918
>What is your favorite chapter
>>>>>>>>>>>No Camelot
2e6b5c No.15122022
>10 quartz
>even fucking reddit of all places in the goddamn internet is pissed off
Well, this was good while it lasted. Are they still banning people for using emulators on the JP server? I remember being banned during the first JP Christmas event and didn't bother with the game until EN server went up.
5028b3 No.15122025
>>15121814
They got 30 as an apology for having realized that 4 per a summon was bullshit.
>>15121392
>Been meaning to ask this, which servants' CEs are worth the max bond (besides Heracles)?
Assuming no 2030, Merlina and Waver run their bond CE for buster memes since bond CEs are the only way to use a slot on a support to bolster up the damage on your main damage dealer. It's very fucking annoying since the idea of the bond CEs aren't bad when used on supporters like Merlin and Waver, more unique one's let things like Hans barely useful debuff resistance be a thing along with Herc. I know the developer's probably shouldn't slap you in the face with "this is a support bond ce" and "this is a damage dealing bond ce" but it feels like it would have helped in this case.
>>15121918
If you played the original run of JP you would fully understand how harsh that first year was and why the event was so extravagant. What number of quartz would have matched up to having 3 quartz summon for a year, animation updates months earlier, having 300 servant and CE slots available from the start, having Palingenesis from the start. Kinoko Nasu plainly said in an interview the reason they changed it was because they realized that the original 40 per a 10 pull was bullshit. I came in expecting nothing, got nothing, and moved on. Even >>15121176 admitted it's a pipe dream. The thought of them doing the same is pleasant but that doesn't make it likely at all. Have you played JP at all?
8ef908 No.15122027
>Roll knight classes
>Get Altria
My life is a bundle of disppointment
At least it wasn't Arjuna
d9f17e No.15122034
>30 paid SQ
>extra SQ from the new "bonus" US gets counts as free SQ
I wish all whales would die so this game dies as well
691e01 No.15122045
>>15122034
At no point, on any server, at anytime, has FGO given paid SQ on distribution. Why did you expect it this time?
5ecd92 No.15122047
I got Ozy. Why is he ranked so high by the nips? Seems just okay to me.
4dd7f5 No.15122052
喜べ少年
君の願い漸く敵う
12 fucking quartz
f20e9e No.15122056
5028b3 No.15122058
>>15122047
Guaranteed Imperial Privilege proc when 2 and 3 are max leveled. He's the only servant in the entire game with a flat 40% attack buff he can get on demand, on top of 40% defense in the same buff. Imperial privilege is "balanced" by not proccing a 100% of the time and Ozy plain ignores it.
5ecd92 No.15122074
>>15122058
oh its for 3 turns. Thought it was just for one. Okay that is good.
0ffbde No.15122090
>>15122025
>Have you played JP at all?
Yes you fucking nigger I have, and I was there early enough to no the bullshit of 40SQ. That's not a free pass for them to do absolute jack-shit. They have the means at their disposal to begin moving the QoL updates on JP over to here, as evidence by the simple fact that they already have brought some over early. The problem with NA is that it's being managed piss-poor. If you compare it to the other localizations, like in Korea and Taiwan, you can see just how much better they've handled it - hell, Korea has outright stated their goal is to catch up to JP, instead of straggling 2 years behind and risking early server shutdown. If you want a more slowly paced, but still better handled, you can compare Taiwan. Instead, NA has been treated as a complete fucking joke, and people like (You) cuck out and justify it.
JP got it rough. You know why? Because they got the game two years fucking earlier. They didn't have to sit around waiting for translations and playing a game that was in a foreign language, and because of that, they had a game with more bugs, more maintenance, and more problems. That was the burden they took on for being at the forefront. NA took two years to get localized, and received a sometimes questionably translated localization full of errors at that.
Did I expect this server to not get screwed over? No. No I didn't. I knew things were going to be handled like shit, because everything else has been handled like shit so far. For me, that part is comedy. What's actually sickening is the retards actively defending poor business practice because "it could be worse". Yeah, it could be a lot worse. But if you're taking it up the ass and paying for the inferior product, then yes, you're a fucking problem. Not that it fucking matters, since like all F2P games, nearly the entire profit stems from a small pool of retarded whales, and nothing's gonna stop them from being retards.
>>15122034
JP has literally never received paid SQ for free, why would you expect differently?
b133ff No.15122115
>>15122090
Apparently NA is the only server that didn't get 30 sq. And the ten we did get aren't labeled as being for the anniversary.
5028b3 No.15122121
>>15122090
>If you want a more slowly paced, but still better handled, you can compare Taiwan. Instead, NA has been treated as a complete fucking joke, and people like (You) cuck out and justify it.
>server with objectively the highest amount of free summons per a day is the worst managed
I suppose yes, I am in favor of the server with the highest amount of free summons per a server.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cQeWoclM64z3i_DWSWN4do_Fg8zjjM35KqXN-ZO5uaw/edit#gid=1483064927
691e01 No.15122166
>>15122090
I prefer NA purely for how they treat emulators that no other server can begin to compare.
0ffbde No.15122247
>>15122121
Learn to statistics and read the last page, along with actually looking where things are being collected. If you look at the average rate up until Ibaraki then yes, there's an advantage to NA brought about from the things that were included early. The problem is with the projection over time. The incomplete hand-out today is one of the things contributing to that - If the trend continues as it has, JP eclipses NA before the end of the year, and the gap continues from there.
>>15122166
This is an actual valid point, but something to be expected considering the nature of the NA playerbase. It would be insane for them to otherwise.
2e6b5c No.15122290
>All the NA players are completely pissed off and mad after that shitty stream
>mfw I'm actually happy because of the x3 GREAT SUCC rate + 1/2 AP ember quests/mats quests
faa57e No.15122291
>45 canuckbucks for a 5 star I might already have
How about you go fuck yourself, game.
5028b3 No.15122320
So I actually checked, China's first year anniversary also only received 10 SQ and not the 30 JP did. Source if you want
https://game.bilibili.com/fgo/news.html#!news/0/32/1439
Do be aware that unlike NA the 10 SQ wasn't included in the actual event and came out earlier. For the full list of things China got on the anniversary other than the SQ, here's the link.
https://game.bilibili.com/fgo/news.html#!news/0/23/1854
You'll notice China got their 10 SQ months before the actual anniversary event but that doesn't change the fact it was 10. It's now even funnier that everyone is upset they didn't get the 30 when precedent says it's 10 for translation servers.
f20e9e No.15122336
>>15122320
IQ Determined. Thank you for making a fool of yourself.
306042 No.15122356
>Considered throwing some money to the guaranteed gacha
>This happens
Guess I'll stay F2P until they fix their shit never.
5ecd92 No.15122378
tfw gotten tam and ozy from the guaranteeds
c5ea81 No.15122476
This one's for you Mordredfag.
ac961d No.15122707
>laugh at the idea of translators changing Da Vincis NP to Homo Universal like a retard
>memeroll a 10 roll
Guess I'm going to Homo University
dda3e7 No.15122889
After 20 summons, I'll be joining you too.
879b94 No.15122921
>>15122707
>>15122889
>people actually rolling for a magical tranny
dda3e7 No.15123009
>>15122921
Didn't want to roll for the guaranteed, and she was good in Camelot, so why not?
f8233f No.15123041
>>15122921
The body is naturally a woman, so it's not gay.
77c3ee No.15123600
>>15122047
>>15122058
Plus he does the same for others. Scathach can get both of her buffs, Hans always gets his NP off properly, other Imperial Privileges suddenly become just as good etc.
67fb98 No.15123617
>>15123600
Don't forget a 20% NP charge to the entire party so even if your not using other servants with "random effects" skills he still gives decent party support when doing his own thing.
024bb7 No.15123691
why isnt camelot an option to vote for best singularity?
ac961d No.15124073
>>15122921
I didn't actually want her, I just rolled for the sake of rolling
f20e9e No.15124121
>>15123041
This. It's just like the issue of Cagliostro from GBF and Tanya. The body is female so it's not gay, even if the soul is male.
df11e4 No.15124123
>>15122921
>/v/
>ever not liking traps
024bb7 No.15124140
im happy that we got the survey so does this mean the things we say on it will have an effect on the game?
b9acdc No.15124168
>>15119024
Why don't they show Archer's upper face in this? Is it some sort of joke?
Rider is delicious, but I also want to fall asleep between Gorgon's tits while she embraces me with her white wings
b9acdc No.15124182
>>15121468
Is that Dodger? The fuck she doing wearing steel cuffs and collar while naked? Did she get caught masturbating on camera again?
faa57e No.15124842
>>15124121
Tanya in Fate GO when?
b9acdc No.15125090
>>15124842
I think it's a little bit less serious than /pol/ prefers, and doesn't really have much in terms of politics and military.
faae24 No.15125107
>Used up most of my quarts they gave me
<Wound up with Chu Lancer at Np5 and Billy the Crit at NP3
I'll take NP5 Chu and NP3 Billy. Too bad I'm still screwed with leveling skills and Ascending archers. I'm pretty happy my perverted pirate bro has his upgrade quest (I think I'll grail him to go with a female buster team). I still got quests I can finish for a few quartz here and there to take a shot at Leo or some 4/5 I could use.
>We got fucked over with quartz
Despite rushing events, Aniplex isn't much better than Ateam or Dena when it comes to handling global players (Dena fucking hated f2ps).
>This anniversary sucks
It does, but I've seen worse (Valkyrie Connect wants your time).
>>15121792
>>15121782
I wish I had Manjew, but I'm okay with my Dontes (Him and Jack were my first 2 ssrs).
>>15119011
I'd do the same thing to Shirou too because he's a Mary Sue cunt.
>>15119024
Something is wrong: Lancer won at something, and he didn't die.
>>15122356
I will only spend on shit like costumes that don't break the game like in King's Raid. As tempting as it is to spend cash on a shot at Umu bride or Chu Berserker, I'm not stupid enough to waste money knowing how infamous this game's summon rates are, and after going through other terrible rngs in games like Valkyrie Connect.
>>15122707
>>15122889
Isn't Davinci supposed to be a bad-ass with the boosts the Japanese got during the Apocrypha event? I know DaVinci and Scheherezade got some buffs or something, and they were supposed to be bad 5s.
>>15122291
You hate having a stronger NP?! You hate doing more damage?!
7d0cc1 No.15125116
>>15111265
muh cartoon network anime
>Any anime
5028b3 No.15125132
>>15125107
>I'd do the same thing to Shirou too because he's a Mary Sue cunt.
faae24 No.15125146
>>15125132
But he was a cunt in the vn too.
faa57e No.15125154
>>15125090
Depends if they're reading the book or not. The anime glosses over some stuff, but the book has whole chapters about personnel management and shit. I don't think think this guy ever meets Tanya more than once, he just reads her after action reports and freaks out.
b9acdc No.15125160
>>15125154
I was talking about the white blood cell anime, it's very comedic focused. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Tanya is right up /pol/'s alley.
faa57e No.15125168
>>15125107
What I WANT is Mordred, but the game has already given me two wavers and a slutty fox, so I'm not holding out hope.
5028b3 No.15125173
>>15125146
>fundamentally broken boy with PTSD and a survivor complex is a Mary Sue because he spent his entire life practicing the magic he was barely taught and it finally paid off once he found out what magic he's actually good at
Secondaries must burn.
c4d3f7 No.15125191
>>15125168
Hope for Vlad for the ultimate Arts meme.
77c3ee No.15125195
>>15125107
>I'd do the same thing to Shirou too because he's a Mary Sue cunt.
You're objectively wrong, man.
b9acdc No.15125200
>>15125160
I'M IN THE WRONG FUCKING THREAD
faae24 No.15125201
>>15125173
Yet somehow every fucking character wants his dick whether it's Sakura, Medusa, and Fujino, and he's somehow the most amazing cook in the world. Kind of screams Mary Sue I knew it was a porno before it got mainstream.
5ecd92 No.15125204
Shirou is barely human in the VN and most of the routes are about how the women in his life are trying to make him normal. Hell in one of them he loses his original body and is instead put into a puppet and comes out being more well adjusted afterwards than he is at the beginning. Though even I wish for a mind of steel ova.
5028b3 No.15125209
>15125201 (no (you) for you)
>Fujino
77c3ee No.15125213
>>15125201
>Fujino
Who? And no, most of the cast does not want his dick.
>he's somehow the most amazing cook in the world
What? Yes, I'm aware that his cooking skills have been memed to high heaven, but literally what?
5028b3 No.15125223
>>15125213
He's baiting, the only Fujino in Nasuverse is from Kara No Kyoukai.
77c3ee No.15125242
>>15125223
Yeah, I know that. I think he means Taiga, but she's still hung up about Kiritsugu and has never shown any romantic interest in Shirou.
5028b3 No.15125260
>>15125242
>talks about wanting her own Heroine route in Taiga Dojo
>not after the hot Shirou dick
5ecd92 No.15125266
>>15125260
I think that was when Ilya was complaining about having hers cut but its been so long I can't remember.
0ffbde No.15125288
>>15125107
>I'd do the same thing to Shirou too because he's a Mary Sue cunt.
90768b No.15125335
That feel when I didn't get any bikini grilles with my free quartz
306042 No.15125351
>15125107
>Shirou
>Mary Sue
>When he has only 4 good endings in all the VN and the rest of the endings are him massively fucking up and/or dying
>When he's constantly outclassed by everyone else except Shinji and only narrowly avoids a bad end by luck
>When many choices that save his ass are almost psychotic self-damaging choices that end up with him heavily damaged or on the brink of death
>He takes those choices because he has no self-worth as a human being due to his severe PTSD from the fuyuki fire leaving him a hollow shell of a man that seeks enjoyment and salvation from saving others due to Kerry fucking up one last time and passing that ideal onto him without telling him it was retarded from the get go.
You misunderstood his character. Read the VN.
c4d3f7 No.15125422
>>15125335
But they come later.
f20e9e No.15125452
>>15125260
Such a shame how little Taiga porn there is, let alone of Oppai-Taiga we see in Fate/Extra
7180e0 No.15125599
>10x roll with guaranteed SSR
>paid SQ only
c4d3f7 No.15125677
>>15125599
There must always be a catch, Mr. Dubs dubs.
ac961d No.15125691
>>15125107
She's honestly not a bad 5 star, she just lacks focus, and as far as AOEs are concerned, it hits like wet tissue paper even with her NP damage ups that she can get using her skills (Not nearly as bad as Void Shiki's NP damage though). The thing that makes her special though is she's the first 5 star caster with an offensive AOE NP, and she's one of 4 overall. Naturally the others are Nero Caster, Scheherazade and Anastasia. Considering Nero Caster is broken as all hell, the others are kinda left to the sidelines.
c4d3f7 No.15125714
>>15125691
There's also Sieg and Avi, I believe.
One has awful NP gain and the other is bad considering
>Caster
>Who is strong against dragons
>Most dragons and wyverns are Riders
ac961d No.15125724
>>15125714
Nah nah man, 5 star AOE casters, there's only 4 in the game. Sieg is 4 star and Avi is 3 star.
c4d3f7 No.15125808
>>15125724
Fair enough. I am ignoring all gold Casters due to the fact I have Waver, Sanzang, Nursery Rhyme, Medea Lily and the two welfares.
277563 No.15126152
The fuck do I do with a 5 star servant that I don’t fucking want
8a7943 No.15126158
>>15126152
Feed it to your favourite 3 star.
a475c7 No.15126177
>>15126152
Keep it in storage just in case the servant becomes useful one day? You could also burn it for rare mana prisms when you see something your really want.
5028b3 No.15126195
>>15126152
Burn it for rare prism if you just started yesterday and want access to good Mystic codes once Rare Prism shop actually opens. Alternatively, use them, as 5*s, regardless of kit, beat most other servants on a pure stat basis.
faa57e No.15126197
>>15126152
What do you mean "dont want"? As in you have it at np5 already, or you just don't like them? May as well raise their bond to 5 and keep them in storage.
>>15126177
When are we even getting anything to buy with these things?
c4d3f7 No.15126218
f8233f No.15126223
>>15126197
Not him, but I have zero use for dudes in this game. I don't care about meta or if they'll make things easier, if it's not a cute girl I won't use them.
5028b3 No.15126226
>>15126223
What about "unknown" servants?
faa57e No.15126227
>>15126223
Who the fuck is it then?
a475c7 No.15126231
>>15126197
I would suspect that we might start having a rare mana prism shop when we get to event reruns. Maybe when Nero Fest comes again. Other than that your guess is as good as mine.
bc5082 No.15126489
Does anyone know a good way to farm the Holy Castle free quest quickly? I need at least 68 Knight Medals for Rider Mordred.
5028b3 No.15126510
>>15126489
One strategy mentioned in the thread already is Saber Shiki support, take your Assassin Shiki along for the ride and you should get plenty of insta kill procs since the Knights count as generic enemies.
f94f98 No.15126533
>>15126489
Arash and other strong AOE Archers/serkers with kaleidoscope and waver support. Nerofest will have 3 medals per box if you can wait though.
>>15126510
Knights have a 20% death rate. Saber Shiki would have about a base 12% chance of instantly killing them. It's not reliable. Instant kill farming is more of a bronze and silver mob deal.
bc5082 No.15126550
>>15126533
I just finished Arash's interlude so I'll try that. I can wait until Nerofest but I need at least enough medals to ascend her and max out Cerulean Ride.
ac961d No.15126562
>>15126533
As someone who has Saber Shiki and Normal Shiki with Mystic Eyes 10, it still takes at least one or two out most of the time. It's a bit more ideal with bronze or Silvers, but it's still relatively easier
bc5082 No.15126836
>Gold Rider card
>It's fucking Medb
Burn?
c4d3f7 No.15126902
>>15126836
She's good against males, so no. Also her animation updates are top tier.
Just because she's the worst of that list doesn't make her awful.
She's not Arjuna or OG Saber.
146730 No.15126911
>>15126902
I just don'r like her as a character, but I guess I'll hold on to Queen Thot for now.
c4d3f7 No.15126932
>>15126911
At the very worst she's a Support Rider and she's worth keeping if you have no other good Gold Riders.
And her Charisma gets a buff to give all male allies a second attack buff which helps male nukes like Kintoki Rider, Ozy, almost every Berserker, etc.
And no matter how much of a thot she is we can all agree she's not as bad as Kiara.
f94f98 No.15126946
>>15126932
>And no matter how much of a thot she is we can all agree she's not as bad as Kiara.
Kiara might be more of a slut but she is more likable. Medb embodies all of the worst traits in women, not just being a whore.
146730 No.15126952
>>15126932
Eh, she'll probably find some use in my Rider team down the line, if I don't get banned first. And yeah, the worst Medb'll really do after fucking you is make an army of midget clones of you with her blood, Kiara will end the universe.
2965f5 No.15127013
This is a mobile game but i can hardly play it outside, i wonder why there isn't an option to deactivate the japanese pedo voices.
0ffbde No.15127023
>>15127013
>playing audible music while around others
That's an NAP violation there buddy. You're lucky you don't get shot.
8a7943 No.15127029
>>15127013
>playing any form of media in public without earphones
Are you black by any chance?
146730 No.15127037
>>15127013
>Playing music without headphones in public
>pedo voices
f94f98 No.15127058
>>15127013
>caring about what normalfags think
>being a nigger
2965f5 No.15127069
>>15127023
>>15127029
>>15127037
>>15127058
I don't like the feeling of earbuds so i mostly play them on a very low volume, i have seen countless others play shit like candy crush or castle clans or whatever on intermediate volume so i don't think another addition to the already present cacophony of phoneshit really matters.
146730 No.15127117
Saw someone on Beast's Lair post a theory that since our job in part 2 is destroying the Lostbelts that if he appears, Surtr would be an ally for that chapter. It's fairly interesting.
Also, could somebody confirm something about Manjew's interlude? Supposedly at one point in it he mentions that the Singularities still haven't fully collapsed yet, with Fuyuki being the most stable, and that he thinks there might be something in there stabilizing it.
If this is true, I think we MIGHT be seeing an Alter Ego class Goetia Servant in the future.
0ffbde No.15127143
>>15127117
Well you can only summon things recorded by the Throne of Heroes so since the only who saw Goetia's bitch-ass in his last moments to record it was you, just change your display name to ThroneOfHeroes in 5 months and he should show up in your mailbox.
f94f98 No.15127200
>>15127069
Then use headphones you faggot. Earbuds are nigger tier to begin with.
d686d9 No.15127330
When do you think we think we'll get event re-runs?
I missed Nerofest, screwed up the Halloween event, and am missing a material for Nobu.
Are we even going to get re-runs?
0ffbde No.15127376
>>15127330
We get a shorter version of Halloween as a re-run before Halloween pt2 and a shorter version of Gudaguda before Gudaguda pt2, unless they fuck up in a comically bad manner. There's a new Nerofest each time, with difficulty scaling as the game progresses - the hardest challenge last year is a cakewalk compared to the exhibition quests this time around, and those are fucking nothing compared to shit like King Hassan in the one after.
e57aa5 No.15127422
>>15127013
>i wonder why there isn't an option to deactivate the japanese pedo voices
>he can't figure out how to disable them
Considering that you seem to realize options exist, I'm amazed you can't figure this out.
faa57e No.15127679
>>15126932
Holy shit, 100k friend points. Is there anyway to summon them more quickly? Having it boot me out of the summon menu after each 10 roll is annoying normally, but this is going to fucking suck.
5028b3 No.15127704
>>15127013
>self-conscious enough to not want other people knowing you play anime games
<not self-conscious enough to wear headphones in the first place
<also too retarded to navigate simple menus
>>15127679
Grin and bear it faggot.
e57aa5 No.15128012
>>15127679
Click the "Summon" button at the bottom after summoning instead of the back button in the top left and it'll take you right back to the FP summon menu.
I'm saving most of them for events with CEs from FP summons, like the Pheasant Reversal from Onigashima, since there's not much else of immediate use to me from FP summons and those can help make the grind a bit more efficient.
277563 No.15129677
c4d3f7 No.15129798
>>15129677
Pray for DW to give her buffs, I guess.
If you do want to use her level Mana Burst, then Charisma and curse Intuition every time you see it.
70f61d No.15130150
c4d3f7 No.15130178
>>15130150
Congrats on getting one of, if not, the best SSR Berserker to ever exist.
77c3ee No.15130197
I have Saber at 90/10/10/10 and I think I'll use use her more when I get her bond CE; a 15% constant boost plus her 3 turns out of 5 active Charisma kind of make her useful.
I'm thinking of fielding a team of Emiya/Saber/Merlin if I get the cock wizard, where Instinct will be kind of useful for that one round Crit boost Merlin has. Stack that shit with Hawkeye, and it could work pretty swell. Will let me play with my favorite Servants more.
2965f5 No.15130236
>>15127422
>>15127704
i-i found it, on my defense this kind of option should be reached from the "menu" menu instead of the "my room" menu.
be86c2 No.15130303
Today I learned Hitomi Tanaka did a porno in Mordred cosplay, and I am conflicted.
Compare:
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4314807
to Mo-san's 3rd ascension.
f94f98 No.15130310
>>15130303
>people find that attractive
db5aa0 No.15130332
>>15127013
>at work
>want to grind rider mats to ascend iskandar
>some nigger on my support list has np5 lvl100 Jack
>use her for a couple levels
>colleague sees a half naked loli on my phone
I'm posting this from jail thanks aniplex
77c3ee No.15130372
>>15130303
>not even fit, flat or blonde
McFukkenlet'snukejapanagain.
f20e9e No.15130385
>>15130303
I couldn't be more turned off.
53f0dc No.15130390
>>15130303
This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
be86c2 No.15130397
>>15130372
>Athletic gyaru Mo-san cosplay
Now there's something I'd like to see.
>>15130385
My reaction's more of a bemused "Oh, this exists", but yeah, considering how big Tanaka's tits are you'd expect it to be Raikou if anything.
db5aa0 No.15130418
53f0dc No.15130421
>>15130397
Why would you want to watch an ugly whore dress up as your waifu? It's insulting to me.
>>15130418
f94f98 No.15130427
>>15130418
Those are not even attractive tits though. They are disgusting misshapen blobs of fat.
be86c2 No.15130440
>>15130418
Sure, if Mordred actually HAD cowtits like her Lancer dads, but she doesn't. And that's perfectly fine.
277563 No.15130611
>>15129798
I hate her as a character though. I’ll let her rot in my archive for now I guess.
0ffbde No.15130902
>>15130611
Take that back you cunt.
e57aa5 No.15131359
>>15130902
King Arthur is one of the biggest and most famous cucks in human history, and Artoria is even more of a cuck in nasuverse than Arthur was in reality. She's practically the Anthony Burch of VNs and anime. I can't blame anyone for hating her.
024bb7 No.15131399
Artoria being bad is more of a meme then actual fact. she's not bad, she's not amazing she is just plain vanilla which is not so bad when she is the face and mascot for type moon though its not lore accurate. as strong as Artoria is Lancelot is supposed to be stronger then her and he is a 4 star
f20e9e No.15131421
>>15131399
But Artoria was hailed as the strongest possible servant in F/SN. She was only being held back from kicking everyone's shit in by Shirou being a bad mage.
024bb7 No.15131432
>>15131421
Which is why i said its not lore accurate. Lancelot being stronger then her is canon though
e57aa5 No.15131445
>>15131399
But Lancelot is probably the #1 best 4 star saber, and better than some 5 star sabers, whereas Artoria is one of the worst 5 star sabers. Being 5 star doesn't automatically make you better than a 4 star. Even bronze shit like Hans is considered pretty good and pretty useful despite his low star rating because of his great skill set, despite canonically being borderline useless. Star ratings and in-game usefulness aren't even intended to be lore accurate anyway.
faa57e No.15131447
>>15131432
Lancelot is the strongest of the Round Table, but all he gets is a shitty master that has a heart attack right as he's about to win, and a bunch of shit talk in Grand Order. He deserves a break.
f94f98 No.15131457
>>15131432
Lancelot is the strongest knight, however that has never included Artoria in the first place. All the comparisons explicitly exclude her even in the actual myth.
3fb224 No.15131459
>>15130902
>>15131359
>there are unironic Shitoria defenders in this thread
The best part of Fate Route is how hard Shirou trried to throw that bitch into the kitchen. Even Nasu admits the ronance between them isn't between a boy and girl but a boy and a girl who used to be a boy (tranny).
>>15131421
Strongest servant summoned in Stay Night =/= strongest servant ever. Hell Shitoria isn't even the Grand Saber it would seem. An Archer or Saber class Heracles would take a fat shit on her considering how much thst bitch struggled against Berserker.
>b-but m-muh Shirou penalty
The only reason she killed Berserker in Fate route is because Shirou projected Caliburn for her, if Rin was the master she would have fought better there's no way she does a better job than Emiya.
>>15131445
The lore plainly states that Lancelot "is the strongest Knight of the Round Table". It's in his Berserker profile.
f20e9e No.15131676
>>15131459
>The lore plainly states that Lancelot "is the strongest Knight of the Round Table". It's in his Berserker profile.
And yet Artoria pwns Berserkalot easily in F/Z
This is not helping your case, bro
ac961d No.15131690
>>15131676
> is a shitty master that has a heart attack right as he's about to win
I want to see how a fight would go down with Shirou as the master during F/Z. Now just as a morbid curiosity
f20e9e No.15131708
>>15131690
But master strength isn't a variable according to this faggot >>15131459 so I didn't take that into account. Plus I'd hardly say Kariya is any weaker than Shirou, let alone Kerry, who isn't that good of a mage to begin with.
5028b3 No.15131809
>>15131676
>And yet Artoria pwns Berserkalot easily in F/Z
A few points
1. Lancelot refuses to pull out Arondight until the end of the fight, the sword having a major plus modifier for fighting dragons since it's a dragon slaying sword and oh look, Artoria has dragon attribute and struggles to deal with anti-dragon heroes like Siegfried
2. Lancelot never even gets to activate Arondight before dying because
3.His master, having to rely on insects to even be a master, croaks due to the physical strain of him just fighting normally, let alone using a fucking NP after how long the war was running, so Berserker couldn't even go full strength for that last fight.
Under identical conditions with the very same Master in Fate/Grand Order, so none of the "oh well it's all Shirou's fault" bullshit, these are the resulting stats. Saber Lancelot beats Artoria for Endurance, Artoria has better Mana and Luck, and tied everywhere else, including NP. For shit's and giggles have Berserkerlot and while Madness is making all his other stats better his NP gets downgraded. If a Saber Lancelot and a Saber Artoria went head to head with each other with the exact same Master, she is at a heavy disadvantage given she is a dragon- attribute and Lancelot is using an Anti-Dragon A++ NP on her ass. Artoria of course has her Mana Burst ability to up her stats for a bit but obviously being a burst Lancelot's higher endurance should be able to handle it at least for a while.
Artoria probably has a worse match up against Lancelot than even fucking Mordred due to the kit he's packing, but in the legend Lancelot never fights King Arthur, he runs away in shame and Mordred kills Artoria before he could do anything else.
>>15131708
>But master strength isn't a variable according to this faggot
That's not what I said faggot, you're the one stating the Artoria is the strongest servant of all time and that's blatantly false given the evidence of how badly she jobbed in Fate/Zero with her only stat penalty being luck. Master variance exists but a Rin/Artoria combo does not beat a full powered Heracles Archer. Hell, let's do better. Artoria with an objectively better master (Kerry) was going to be completely destroyed by Gilgamesh by the end of the 4th Grail War, but she manages to beat Gilgamesh in the 5th, not because she has a better Master (Shirou) but because, like all of Artoria's Heracles fight, Shirou pulls an NP out of his literal ass for her to use.
>Plus I'd hardly say Kariya is any weaker than Shirou, let alone Kerry, who isn't that good of a mage to begin with.
Kariya is literally the worst Magus in the entire 4th grail war except Caster's master, who isn't even a magus. Even fucking Waver beats him at being a better mage and having better mana capabilities, and that fag had to rest for an entire day after using Iskandar's NP What other fag had to rest after their servant used their NP, oh wait Only reason he has enough mana to supply Berserker in the first place is due to the insects. Kerry was a good enough magus that the only penalty given to Artoria was her luck, compare Shirou penalty being every single stat. It is true that Kariya has better mana capabilities than Shirou, but again, this is not due to skill, it is due to the incredible amount of damage being done to his body.
5028b3 No.15131839
>>15131676
Oh by the way, enjoy Fate/Grand Order Material IV
>His competency with surpass even King Arthur himself, and there was even his feat of one-on-one fight against Gawain, who demonstrates threefold of power during daylight, where Lancelot continuously fought for several hours.
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6951-Fate-Grand-Order-Mats?p=2791391&viewfull=1#post2791391
ac961d No.15131877
>>15131839
>>15131809
>All this info and defending Lancelot
I really enjoy this. He really does deserve much better. Animation update when DW?
f20e9e No.15131912
>>15131809
>pulls an NP out of his ass
You mean Avalon? The NP which comes with Artoria? It's part of what makes Artoria the canonical strongest servant.
Also,
>Using Fate/GO as any indication of servant power
Top kek mate, I know you're the armor autist so I'm sure you don't need me to remind you how inconsistent FGO is. It's about as reliable as wikipedia.
>Lancelot refuses to pull out Arondight until the end of the fight
He seemed to be doing just fine without it. He didn't get owned until after he pulled it out, so that proves just how faux-effective it really is.
You can hardly argue that Kariya being weak was what got Lancelot killed. As long as Kariya was sacrificing his life energy to Lancelot (he was) then it's a fair fight and you can consider that to be at relatively full strength. Not even Artoria was at full strength then because she didn't have Avalon and she was quite distanced away from Kerry. Also iirc she had just recently used her NP - on Iskandar.
53f0dc No.15131917
>>15131809
Excalibur is far stronger than Arondight, and Lancelot has no way to counter it. His anti dragon bonus damage doesn't matter when he doesn't have an opportunity to hit her.
>>15131839
And yet he gets killed by the MGTOW Knight.
5028b3 No.15131963
>>15131912
>The NP which comes with Artoria?
pic related
>>15131917
>Excalibur is far stronger than Arondight, and Lancelot has no way to counter it.
According to canon they are the same rank, and are sister swords. While Excalibur is the best they are in the same ball park of each other, it's for this exact reason everyone panics about Gawain's Galatine as well.
>His anti dragon bonus damage doesn't matter when he doesn't have an opportunity to hit her.
Have you even seen a canon depiction of a servant NPing first before anything else? You're also telling me that guilt ridden Artoria is going to just excaliblast Lancelot in the face when she broke down into an emotional mess just fighting a mad version of him?
>And yet he gets jobbed by the MGTOW Knight.
ftfy
I'm not going to argue this anymore, as it is literally canon that Lancelot was the strongest person sitting at the round table, and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to get over canon.
53f0dc No.15131997
>>15131963
It's explicitly stated that Excalibur is the strongest holy sword.
In any case it's a long range beam made of light, and activates in under a second, how is Lancelot going to avoid this?
>emotions
So Lancelot would be ok with fighting the King he betrayed and spent the rest of his life in repentance over?
f20e9e No.15132001
>>15131963
>blah blah blah im right ur wrong even though the evidence is weighing against me
Armor autist, stop posting, it's time to go to bed
>You're also telling me that guilt ridden Artoria is going to just excaliblast Lancelot in the face when she broke down into an emotional mess just fighting a mad version of him?
>but in the legend Lancelot never fights King Arthur, he runs away in shame
You're telling me Lancelot wouldn't have reservations about fighting Artoria?
>>and yet he gets jobbed by the MGTOW knight
Headcanon doesn't count here
Also don't forget that Excalibur is only one of Artoria's NP's. Take into account her other ones and she'd wipe the floor with Lancelot. Also take into account just how more widely recognized Artoria (King Arthur) is/was compared to Lancelot, serving only to bolster Artoria's chances at victory.
You're acting like a real faggot, dude.
5028b3 No.15132007
>>15131997
>tell anon the Excalibur is the best holy sword
<anon restates that it's the best
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
f20e9e No.15132013
>>15132007
>Armor autist states something, cites nothing
>53f0dc states something cites nothing
<"wtf do you have reading comprehension problems bro? my word is better than yours because i said so nigga"
53f0dc No.15132018
>>15132007
You're trying to squirm around the fact, I'm making it clear that there is no contest between the two.
c5ea81 No.15132051
>>15131877
>the cunt that couldn't stop himself from fucking the that whore Guinevere and got Artoria killed for it
>deserving better
5028b3 No.15132070
>>15132018
What part of Sister sword, do you not understand? Hell, let's go further, it is literally canon that Artoria "has much trouble" against Dragon Slayers like Seigfreid
>Also, as her “Pendragon” name shows, Artoria is the holder of the Element of the Red Dragon, charged with the task of protecting the kingdom. She carries the very magical power of the Dragon. This humongous magical power is also the source of Artoria’s Magic Resistance. Due to the characteristics of Dragon, Artoria has much trouble with existences such as Siegfried, who is associated with tales of “Dragon extermination”. If she is targeted by “Dragon-slaying Sorceries”, it is possible that Magic Resistance will not function to its fullest extent.
And Siegfried's Balmung is two ranks lower than Arondight, is not a sister sword to Excalibur, and yet, canonically she would struggle against a servant who has a worse NP than Lancelot but incredibly similar stats. With Siegfried having worse 2 ranks lower luck, 2 plus modifiers less NP rank, and a plus modifier on strength.
>>15132051
This wouldn't have been a problem if Artoria didn't marry a bitch she can't even put her futa dick inside. It's not Lancelot's fault that Guinevere's a whore because Lancelet didn't rape her.
The entirety of Lancelot's cycle is "it doesn't matter how good a knight you are if you're a fucking idiot", and it's his job in Fate to job every major fight he's in because of what he did to Takeuchi's waifu.
53f0dc No.15132071
>>15132051
To be fair he regrets it so much that he becomes a manlet, so I'll forgive him.
e57aa5 No.15132074
>>15132001
>You're telling me Lancelot wouldn't have reservations about fighting Artoria?
He sure as hell didn't have any reservations about fighting her in Zero.
Lancelot is canonically stronger than any other Knight of the Round Table in both Nasuverse and real-world Arthurian mythology. But that's just Lancelot himself, not counting stuff like Excalibur and Avalon. Excalibur and Avalon are both insanely OP, and even though I think that given equally powerful weapons Lancelot would kick Artoria's ass easily, if Artoria was at full power using Excalibur and Avalon I doubt Lancelot would have much of a chance. Avalon alone is some bullshit levels of OP, it jacks up an ordinary human to the point of being able to survive a fight against a servant; most servants would have almost no chance against her using that.
53f0dc No.15132083
>>15132070
Again, the anti dragon damage doesn't matter when he can't reach her, since his weapon is only close range. Even if it could shoot a beam, Excalibur would still overpower it.
5028b3 No.15132093
>>15132074
Avalon need not apply, Artoria's a gigantic dumbass and lost the sheath to her most powerful weapon, and thus can not be summoned with it by default. However, if, like in Stay Night, someone finds Avalon and then gives it to her she can use it, but good luck finding it when it took the Einzburns around a 100 years.
>>15132083
>canon states she would struggle with X servant
<nu uh because Excalibur
Do you think Nasu forgot that when writing side materials?
c5ea81 No.15132099
>>15132093
>Do you think Nasu forgot that when writing side materials?
Considering how inconsistent Nasu can be, this is a very real possibility.
5774b5 No.15132259
>>15132083
Arondight isn't short ranged, it's a ranged excaliblast like Excaliber and Galantine. It's just Lancelot has the strength to force it to "leak out" only where his sword slashes, and it turns out it's much better in a 1v1 situation when you can force an opponent to take a full excaliblast only in the area of a sword swing. Even then, Lancelot could use it like any of the other swords whenever he wants to, in fact, it would be far easier and less strenuous on his body.
53f0dc No.15132292
>>15132259
Correct, but Arondight itself is only A rank while Arondight Overload is A++.
53f0dc No.15132305
>>15132292
>>15132259
Actually I just read the materials again and Overload is also the Anti-Army attack, so I was wrong.
5774b5 No.15132306
>>15132292
You're forgetting activation speed. The reason Balmung can fuck up Artoria is because Siegfried can activate the Anti-Army NP faster than most other servants, so while Artoria's still charging her's she gets hit. So even though Balmung is two ranks lower it still hits Artoria. There's no descriptions of Arondight's activation speed but almost everything seems to go faster than Excalibur, and if anything, the concentrated Arondight slash would "cut through" the more unfocused Excalibur in the overload state.
53f0dc No.15132359
>>15132306
Excalibur's activation is less than a second, I don't think the activation speed is an issue if she can activate it faster than both Riders can hit her.
5774b5 No.15132398
>>15132359
Siegfried's Balmung activation speed is "overwhelming fast" emphasis on overwhelming. With enough mana he's available to fire off multiple blast consecutively, add this on top of Plus modifiers against Dragon's and Artoria's dragon saturated mana and it would actually be quite the problem.
0ffbde No.15132913
>>15131809
>>15131459
>>15131917
>>15131963
>Artoria Power Level
There has never been a showing in Fate of Artoria, Herakles, or Cu Chulainn at full power. Each of these three are the strongest heroes of their country, eligible for a large number of classes, and have access to a large suite of Noble Phantasms and skills. For Artoria specifically, her Noble Phantasm suite is supposed to include, at bare minimum: Excalibur, [Invisible Air], Rhongoynmyniad, Prydwen, and Avalon. Plus her horses. Depending on how many of her other Noble Phantasms are included, she should also have a mantle of invisibility and a dagger with anti-giant and anti-witch properties. Yet in Fate, she's never been permitted more than either Rhon by itself (as a Lancer), or Excalibur with Invisible Air (which isn't even something from her original myth and just got tacked on).
The big key is Avalon, which she only gets in Fate route. The reason this is important is that while she has the damn thing, she's nearly impossible to kill. Her magical energy is stupidly high for a non-Caster, and even without the sheath, she regenerates injuries quickly. This gets displayed best in Sparks Liner High, where Saber Alter notes that, even after being annihilated by Shirou, it'll take only a few minutes for her to recover; in Femme Fatale, if Shirou doesn't destroy her Spirit Core after Rider incapacitates her, it takes even less than that for her to be back in perfect form, and ready to answer Dark Sakura's call. Avalon amplifies this even further - just having it in him allows Shirou to recover from multiple fatal injuries. Combing that with Artoria's natural regeneration, and a Master able to provide sufficient magical energy, and she's essentially impossible to kill - the only thing strong enough is another Noble Phantasm, and so long as she has Avalon, she can counter even something as broken as Ea.
Rhongonmyniad is an EX-Rank Noble Phantasm that's much stronger than Excalibur in most regards, as Garden of Avalon shows. Even with only a few of its seals released, it has firepower at least equal to the strongest Holy Sword. Excalibur itself is worth noting, because it's extremely powerful, and more importantly, can be fired fast - quicker than Iskandar's chariot, and quick enough for her to fire it off the moment she steps out of Avalon after countering Enuma Elish. Its type is Anti-Fortress, which essentially translates to "Anti-Unit expect the Unit can be castle sized and it costs a fuckload more Mana". But more importantly - it has special conditions. We don't really know much about them, in comparison to the more defined seals on Excalibur Proto, but Artoria's Excalibur doesn't display its full power unless its being used against threats against the world (note that so far, everything has pointed to Gaia having given Excalibur to the human who took out Sefar - defending the planet against outside threats is its true purpose). It also gets limited depending on the Master - one of her Interludes is about going out to remove one of the seals to bring it up to A++, and we really don't know how many are left. Even Invisible Air isn't much to laugh at when she's actually using it as a ranged weapon or shield, instead of for hiding the sword.
When we get into skills, you have Instinct (which the VN goes out of its way to point out is a major deal) and Mana Burst (which enables her to passively keep up with more physically powerful persons, like the Knights of the Round Table, and to boost up her attacks when needed against stupidly strong Servants, like Herakles). And of course there's Magic Resistance, Riding, Charisma, and all of the other meme Skills that are in her favor.
0ffbde No.15132915
>>15132913 (Cont)
>Lancelot Power Level
Its exactly there on the tin. His base stats are higher than Artoria. He's a Knight, and the best Knight - in terms of skills, he can fight with quite literally any weapon, and use anything as a weapon, and never suffers anything to impede his skills. His strongest class is absolutely Berserker, for the simple reason that his skill kit perfectly counters all of the downsides of the Berserker class (except for the part where he kills his master from high mana consumption). But in any class, he's going to be a strong Servant (>lower STR than D'Eon).
Arondight is worth noting as his primary Noble Phantasm. It raises his base stats, and like Excalibur, can be used as an amplifier (see: Overload). But while it has equal Rank, it is not an equal Noble Phantasm. The main reason is because of Lancelot's magical energy, which is only average. In a direct class of swords, Arondight is much weaker - for an entity such as a Servant, where MP and HP are essentially the same thing, it further has the disadvantage of simply burning out; its even mentioned in the Mats that its a massive strain on Lancelot's body to used in its more precise Anti-Unit manner. In a direct clash of arms, no sword beam, it's even-on, with a slight advantage to Arondight for being a dragon-slaying sword.
He has his own set of skills, most of which have been noted, as well as feat-type Noble Phantasms such as For Someone's Glory. Arondight is his only known physical Noble Phantasm. Knight of the Lake lets him boost one of his parameters for a time, and is worth noting.
0ffbde No.15132916
>>15132913
>>15132915
>Application
Lancelot has higher base stats, by a good amount, particularly as a Berserker. However, this is not the end-all, be-all. In terms of Strength, Mana Burst enables Artoria to counter and surpass his full power (we can see this in her fight with Berserker in UBW, where even in a badly nerfed state, she can keep up with the hits from a Servant with absurdly high base stats, and more importantly, as Okeanos shows, one who habitually surpasses his base stats). In terms of Agility, her Instinct covers for the better part of his, and could arguably be considered even better.
Endurance is worth noting because it doesn't mean "number of HP" - this is directly tied to magical power - but "ability to take damage". In RPG terms, its damage resistance. He can take more than her, yes, but her regeneration is what fucks him over and balances it out. He wont simply "outlast her" in a fight - Archer's extended recovery from Saber's slash shows just how much longer it takes for a Servant of the mid-range Mana to recover, in contrast to someone like Saber or Caster, who can recover stupidly fast. He can play defensively against a Servant like Gawain, because once the sun sets, Lancelot has every advantage. The same thing doesn't work against Artoria, because she isn't going to weaken over time - rather, as injuries accumulate, time is on her side.
For Someone's Glory is worth noting because its what gives Lancelot the jump on her in Fate/Zero - until he draws Arondight, Lancelot can disguise himself as someone else. He knows her fighting style, while she doesn't know who she's fighting, which can temporarily compensate for her Instinct. However, if he does this, he loses out on all of the advantages of Arondight. Simply put, unless he's in his Berserker state, it's not a feasible trick. The moment she uses an Excaliblast, it's game over - and while the circumstances of Fate/Zero and most of Fate/Stay Night make people forget this, it's worth noting that if Saber doesn't have to worry about property damage and has sufficient magical power, she spams that motherfucker (see also: Saber Alter in the Einzbern Forest, Saber Alter in First Order, etc.). If he draws the sword, the same principle applies - however, in this circumstance, he can at least pressure her in melee, and keep her from gathering power to use her sword beam. Countering it isn't an option - nor, for that matter, is trying to pull a quick draw and get his off first.
Invisible Air gives a slight edge, if she uses it as a weapon rather than a sheath. If you give her literally any of her other Noble Phantasm (except maybe Prydwen) its absolutely unfair. Tossing her Rhon is asking for Vortigern pt.2. If she has Avalon, there is no contest - she can heal faster than any attacks he can manage, negate his strongest offenses, and have enough time to prepare her Excaliblast. You can make the argument that she never would have had it, but keep in mind, that's a condition of her nature as a Heroic Spirit in F/Z and F/SN - she's not actually a proper Heroic Spirit, but a projection of "herself" at the end of her life. Shirou returned Avalon to her in the Fate Route, her consciousness returned to her own time, and she passed on to the Far Side of the World. Considering the nature of Crown Servants, the fact that Kawasumi is slated to be the voice of Grand Saber, and the display of Avalon in the Lost Belt art, there's a great deal of evidence leaning to this "Full Power Saber" being the Grand Saber.
But as a normal Servant, without the potential advantages of a Crown Servant Class Container? Artoria is an extremely powerful Servant, in spite of her designated jobber status, but she has a number of specific disadvantages against Lancelot (along other dragon-slaying Servants such as Siegfried, and potentially Saint George [who, with his horse, could feasibly replicate the trick she used on Gilgamesh against her, by taking an Excaliblast and then stepping out with Ascalon]). In a direct fight, it's not impossible for Lancelot to beat her. But it's by not means an easy fight, nor even a completely advantageous one. In both myth and Nasuverse, Lancelot was the best knight - but the King is an exception. The determining factor is entirely down to terrain, distance, status, and most importantly, their actual temperament going into the fight. Stick Berserker Lancelot in a 50ftx50ft closed space where shooting off a beam will take out civilians, and he'll probably win. Stick them in the wilderness and tell Saber she's not getting fed if she loses, then Lancelot and everything else in a 10 mile radius will look like it took a direct hit by Ars Almadel Salomonis.
0ffbde No.15132917
>>15132916
>>15132915
>>15132913
>Other Servants
Artoria without handicaps cleans through about 99% of Servants, even more effectively than one like Lancelot. Anti-Dragon Servants are really the only poor match-up against her. It's presumed, based on the context of F/GO, that she lost in the First Fuyuki Grail War to Solomon, but considering that we don't know who her Master was, we can be fairly certain she didn't have Avalon, and the fact that it's fucking Solomon, that's not so much compatibility as it is a flat "fuck you". Given Avalon, even Gilgamesh or Karna are brought to a level that they can be beaten. Without it, even at her top strength, her chances against either of them is much lower (though Gil being the King of Jobbers means everyone outside of the Lancer class has a chance, if a slight one, to score a win).
>>15132305
>>15132259
Overload is by default Anti-Army. Lancelot can force it to replicate what is basically Anti-Unit, as he does in-game and as he does to Arash. It's stressful on him, but effective - not effective enough to kill a human tank like Arash, but effective nonetheless. It's worth noting that Galatine and Arondight are both Anti-Army, which is stated to be lower in strength than Anti-Fortress. Obviously the function is slightly different - while Excalibur aims at a point and releases magical power, creating that massive flare, Galatine releases a wave of energy, and Arondight creates a lake. When dealing with large masses, an Anti-Army Noble Phantasm can be useful (less so if the enemy has Military Tactics), but its Anti-Unit functions are strictly inferior.
>>15131917
Agravain takes down Lancelot while under the effects of Madness Enhancement, after the latter had taken out a number of Enforcement Knights. One must note that Agravain isn't exactly weak - he's not as strong as Gawain or Lancelot, but he's still much higher up than Bedivere, and one par with Kay, Mordred, etc. He's also noted as being stupidly tough, and essentially impossible to kill. He killed Lancelot, yes - but it was also effectively a mutual kill, and he was half dead when he reached the Lion King. It's a solid win, yes, but it doesn't speak poorly of Lancelot - rather, it speaks to just how fucking pissed Agravain was at Lancelot for literally ruining everything ever.
0ffbde No.15132919
>>15132913
>>15132917
There was a thing just recently relating to the HF movie that stated Kariya was essentially a "zero" (in the same context as clarifying that Prime Zouken, the one you meet in London, is an absolute monster 10 times stronger than the average noble, and capable of potentially beating even a Servant under the right circumstances). However, that refers to his ability as a Magus, which is essentially nothing. His Master Compatibility is rather high, similar to (You) or to the first Crypter, Kadoc. Where he gets hosed, compared to those two, is circumstance - (You) have essentially infinite power for your Servants, thanks to Merlin, whereas Kadoc summons Anastasia, a high-ranking Caster-class Servant capable of sustaining herself. If Kariya had summoned a Servant suitable for a low-power Magus, he could have done much better - Zouken specifically had him summon a Berserker to torture him, because Zouken had no intention of winning the 4th War, and just wanted Kariya to suffer.
In terms of base stats, Berserker Lancelot was not at a major disadvantage - Kariya was bloated up with Crest Worms, which could provide more than enough magical power to sustain a Servant. The one who suffers isn't Lancelot, but Kariya, who gets closer and closer to death, especially once Berserker draws Arondight. In the end, Lancelot losing is due to him draining Kariya out of juice; up to that point, he was under no penalties. Saber Lancelot would have been a better choice for Kariya; that said, Saber Lancelot stood no chance to win. The best possible shot for Kariya would to never have crest worms put in, to summon a high-spec Caster or an Assassin, to play it smart, and to survive; the second-best, and the only real shot at winning, would be to have the worms, but summon a non-Berserker. But it was never going to be a fair fight no matter what he did.
>>15131459
Fuyuki makes it clear that Saber can, in fact, kill Berserker Herakles without Caliburn. How is less clear - either she took out a few lives with basic hits, and cleaved the rest with an Excaliblast, or she just straight out took every life in one go. If Rin had been able to support Archer with CS support or even her Jewel Magecraft, rather than having to run with Saber and Shirou, the two of them might have stood a chance against Berserker. The only real reason Archer lost is because he was forced to start at melee rather than get early hits from a distance, and because Archer was unwilling to harm Illya. It's the exact opposite of UBW, where Berserker is unable to act at full effectiveness against Gilgamesh because he's trying to protect Illya. There's a reason why Berserker is Herk's worst class.
024bb7 No.15133114
>>15132093
Shirou gave avalon back to her in the fate route so now she has it again so now there is no avalon left to find now
77c3ee No.15133441
>>15131459
> Hell Shitoria isn't even the Grand Saber it would seem.
Probably is, though. I mean, she is the one who BTFO Sephyr by all accounts, so…
Well, we'll see more in FGO part 2, once we go back 14,000 years. Should be fucking rad.
>>15131809
>Even fucking Waver beats him at being a better mage and having better mana capabilities, and that fag had to rest for an entire day after using Iskandar's NP
Wrong. Waver is complete and utter shit as far as magical potential goes, he's just really good at the theory. Kariya was decent at supplying magical energy but it was at the cost of his life energy.
>>15132001
>>15132013
>Armor autist, stop posting, it's time to go to bed
MOTHERFUCKER I JUST WOKE UP
I haven't even posted in this argument yet, motherfucker.
8335ed No.15133999
>>15132913
>Excalibur, [Invisible Air], Rhongoynmyniad, Prydwen, and Avalon.
>forgets Secace
The only class she would be able to make a full exhibit of all of her NPs is in Rider because that's what Rider's are supposed to have shitty stats supplemented by powerful NPs (See Astolfo, Achilles, etc) but to argue that any class other than Saber is her strongest is wrong, purely because the stats are more important.
>>15133114
That's one route and if she's in that roue she's no longer a heroic spirit because she broke her contract with the Throne, going to Avalon instead. If she is instead still being summoned as a spirit she can not have Avalon because Shirou doesn't give it to her in any other scenario. There is no scenario where Artoria has Avalon and is summonable as a servant.
c5ea81 No.15134006
>>15133999
>There is no scenario where Artoria has Avalon and is summonable as a servant.
You can't be sure of that.
0ffbde No.15134131
>>15133999
>Class
Class Container dictates minimum stats, not maximum stats. Herakles wouldn't have higher stats as a Saber than an Archer - if anything, the latter would be the higher one. The Lancer variants of Artoria aren't exactly struggling (though they're different timelines). On that note - Saber without Avalon is certainly weaker than Saber with Rhon, and you can verify that with both F/GO and Garden of Avalon. In any case, you're missing the point, which is that that Heroic Spirit "King Arthur", much like "Cu Chulainn" and "Herakles", is more restricted than in life. Not as severely for the first two as the last, but absolutely so - The only time Saber manages to match her power in life is as Saber Alter, with infinite MP from Dark Sakura. And even then, she's not "fully there", because she's still missing her NPs, and her Instinct is reduced by being Altered.
>Summoning
Artoria contracted with the Counter Force, not with the Throne of Heroes. She would search for the Holy Grail, and in return, she would become a Counter Guardian. She broke that contract in Fate, and went to Avalon, yes. But you're forgetting the major point of her legend - King Arthur comes back from Avalon when the world is in need. Which, incidentally, is what makes the Grand Saber position so blatant.
What of F/GO? Well frankly we don't really know. Only the Lancer variants show up in Time Temple - Artoria is absent. Even Gilgamesh at least has the courtesy to pop in at the end to chat with Jannu. While you can summon her mechanically, and the questionably canon Interludes are present, the main story treats her as having never been summoned. The version of Artoria we have doesn't have any interest in the Grail, which by definition means she must be post-F/SN, or from a separate timeline. For what its worth, Arthur is also a Servant you can summon, but who isn't actually considered to be part of your crew - he's a dimension hopper (for what it's worth, he's hunting a two-part Beast with both an "L" and "R" component, which potentially opens the possibility of both "King Arthur" variants being eligible as Grand Saber). There is no Excalibur in Chaldea, with the except of Bedi's arm.
In any case - The only information we get at all about Saber in F/GO is that she's not initially using her full abilities, and that based on the Lost Belt advertisements, there's some way for her to access Avalon.
>>15133488
I had severe regrets when I woke up.
5028b3 No.15134165
>>15132913
>For Artoria specifically, her Noble Phantasm suite is supposed to include, at bare minimum: Excalibur, [Invisible Air], Rhongoynmyniad, Prydwen, and Avalon.
That's not how that works for any class outside of Rider, you'll notice that Cu Caster doesn't get access to Gae Bolg even though he's more famous for having it, Li Shuwen is formidable as an Assassin but he doesn't get access to his Lancer skills in that class, Artoria Lancer gets Rhongoynmyniad but not Excalibur and vice versa. The class you are summoned in determines your access to NPs. In addition, there's the possibility that her NPs are location based much like Cu's castle, and you simply won't see any of them unless you're in that area, the same goes for Lancelot of course given his legend is directly tied to Artoria. It should also be stated that both Artoria and Lancelot should have access to the short sword Secace as the variation's of Arthurian legend give it to both of them, and yet, being a Saber class weapon, neither of them get it.
>The big key is Avalon, which she only gets in Fate route.
Non-applicable as someone else explained, as there is no scenario where she has Avalon and is summonable as a servant. Even if Artoriafags want her to be mid-suffering whenever they summon her that doesn't mean Shirou doesn't at least save her after giving her Avalon.
> His strongest class is absolutely Berserker, for the simple reason that his skill kit perfectly counters all of the downsides of the Berserker class (except for the part where he kills his master from high mana consumption). But in any class, he's going to be a strong Servant (>lower STR than D'Eon).
Canon specifically states that Saber is his most fitting class.
>http://blogs.nrvnqsr.com/entry.php/3299-Fate-GO-Profiles/page3#comments
>Artoria without handicaps cleans through about 99% of Servants, even more effectively than one like Lancelot.
This only if you include the impossible scenario where she is summonable as a servant but not and has access to all her NPs which isn't how servants work.
>Anti-Dragon Servants are really the only poor match-up against her.
Which Lancelot and his sword specifically are, thus she would have a poor match up against him and Arondight, in addition to him being the strongest at anyone sitting at the Round Table.
>>15134131
>Class Container dictates minimum stats, not maximum stats.
Blatantly false, if that were so Cu Caster and Cu Lancer should have far more similar stats since there's no such thing as Caster causing him to have shittier one's but here we are.
>The version of Artoria we have doesn't have any interest in the Grail, which by definition means she must be post-F/SN, or from a separate timeline.
and yet, reading her profile, explicitly stating
>It is not the sword, but its scabbard that truly possesses an outstanding ability. However, that scabbard has been forever lost.
So Avalon need not apply.
5028b3 No.15134180
>>15134165
>being a Saber class weapon, neither of them get it.
Okay I lied, a very certain, very questionable rendition of Artoria get's it.
af13a1 No.15134261
I came here to say that Illya is a good girl.
0ffbde No.15134603
>>15134165
>Noble Phantasms
See previous post; discussions on "in life" =/= discussion on summoning
>Lancelot Class
And yet we have specific confirmation from Nasu that Saber Lancelot couldn't have kept up with Gilgamesh the way his Berserker variant does. Saber is his most appropriate based on his true nature, and the one which best represents him.
>Artoria
No, just Excalibur and Avalon. Even with just Excalibur, Fuyuki demonstrates her as being capable of essentially solo'ing an entire Grail War, including Berserker Herakles. Extella further reinforces this in positing a scenario of her actively ending the entire war and saving the timeline (not 100% guaranteed, but nothing is).
>Anti-Dragon
See previous posts; It's entirely situation dependent, and you flat out can't into Naushit if you believe otherwise.
>Blatantly false, if that were so Cu Caster and Cu Lancer should have far more similar stats since there's no such thing as Caster causing him to have shittier one's but here we are.
Incorrect conclusion based on partial information - Lancer is his most appropriate class, and he is at is strongest when summoned in that state. Compare Nero, whose stats are higher as Caster than as a Saber (her profile specifically makes note of it - while Saber should indicate higher base stats, her affinity for the Caster class is much higher); further, it's been indicated before that her absolute best class is Rider. Similarly, Caster Gil is roughly equal to Archer Gil, with his lower Parameters being explained specifically as having to do with him being summoned in his older, wise state, in contrast to the Archer variant being him in the prime of life. We haven't seen him in-game yet, but Halloween made it fairly clear that Caesar in the Saber class is far weaker than his Rider variant. Nasu has also clearly stated that Herk is strongest (presumably pre-ME boost) in the Archer class.
Cu, on the other hand, received a slight amount of magical training in his legend, to the point that he has to receive a Noble Phantasm he never had in life to compensate for how badly he's nerfed in that vessel. It's the most dramatic example you could pick, but it is not the norm. Hell, even the age you summon him as a Lancer changes Cu's base parameters.
>So Avalon need not apply.
We'll see about that before Cosmos in the Lost Belt is over.
Screencap this post.
5028b3 No.15134773
>>15134603
>And yet we have specific confirmation from Nasu that Saber Lancelot couldn't have kept up with Gilgamesh the way his Berserker variant does. Saber is his most appropriate based on his true nature, and the one which best represents him.
>a certain summoning of a servant being more effective against another particular servant means that he's better in that class overall
>using King of Jobbers as an accurate way to measure servant's class aptitudes
Why are you appealing to Nasuauthority now when Nasuauthority also blatantly states that Lancelot was the strongest person at the Round Table?
>We'll see about that before Cosmos in the Lost Belt is over.
>taking promotional images seriously
Boy oh boy, I remember how critical to the plot Darius was in Septem, or Mephisto was in London, or how Ushiwakamaru showed up in literally nothing but events and Solomon. My favorite part was when normal Artoria showed up in any singularity whatsoever in Part 1.
f20e9e No.15134808
>>15134773
Dude, you lost the argument a long time ago. Why are you still trying?
b50ccc No.15134876
>>15132916
>and the display of Avalon in the Lost Belt art
>>15134773
>be Takeuchi
>Nasu tells me we're making a phone game now
>does that mean I got to draw more Artoria?
>Nasu says yes I get to draw more Artoria
>put Saber in promotional art because I like drawing Saber
>millions of nerds speculate what her relevance to the plot will be
>year and a half later no one realizes that she didn't show up let alone do anything in the main story
>that's okay maybe Nasu will put my waifu in Epic of Remnat
>4 sub-singularities later, my waifu has still not shown up in the main story as her normal flat chested self
>Nasu says we're making part 2
>ask him if I get to draw more Saber
>he says yes
>put my waifu in the promotional art
>millions of nerds speculate on how she will be relevant to the story
daac69 No.15135042
>>15132913
>>15132915
>>15132916
>>15132917
>>15132919
This is all fine and dandy, but given the scenario you describe and the fact you seem to be putting forth this version of Artoria being her when she was alive, how on earth did she die to Mordred? The only NP she had lost was Avalon, and it's explicitly stated that Mordred was pierced by Rhongoynmyniad which you claim to be even better than Avalon. In addition, she seems to have been only barely able to slay Mordred, and because of this, Mordred was able to kill her with a final blow done in death. If Artoria is half as OP over the rest of the table as you're describing in life, Mordred shouldn't have been able to even attempt to keep up with her, and Lancelot is directly stated to be much stronger than Mordred was. Again, let me restate, the only disadvantage that Artoria had was that she was missing Avalon, and she just barely won out against Mordred. It also defeats the whole point of the Round Table having everyone be equals if Artoria is just that gigantically stronger than everyone else there. According to you should would have just excaliblasted, as no one else was there but Artoria and Mordred, and Artoria definitely wasn't holding back as she was slaying a traitor. How on earth was Mordred able to keep up when they have near identical stats but Artoria has all the NP advantage?
d686d9 No.15135216
>had a $25 credit with Best Buy
>get Google Play card to get 30 paid Quartz
>do guaranteed roll, get Waver
Am I a whalefag if I spent less than 10 actual dollars on this game?
9a265f No.15135244
Anyone made the alpha Karna vs beta Arjuna pic yet?
53f0dc No.15135275
>>15135042
She had been fighting at Camlann for 7 days, and on campaign for potentially months before that, and had just watched all of her remaining knights die. She breaks down right after killing Mordred, and despite this Mordred doesn't even come close to beating her, the only reason she dies is because Mordred was cursed by Morgan.
Read Garden of Avalon.
0ffbde No.15135286
>>15135042
What point in all of that was that Artoria is stupidly far above the Round Table? In terms of martial combat, she's explicitly worse off than ones like Lancelot, while beating out a few like Kay. As for Camlann: It was a massive field, where Artoria had been fighting the for the entire battle before Mordred came along. In terms of NPs, it's worth noting that Mordred had taken over the castle were all but a couple of things were stored, which is the reasoning behind her being able to use an NP like Prydwen - She technically possessed it, at the very end.
And do you know what happens in every description of the battle that's been given? She kills her. She runs Rhon right through her, and it isn't even a problem. Hell, there's been multiple animations of the fight, and none of them even make it look like a context, and Mordred sure as hell didn't feel it was that much of a fight. The reason that Artoria was injured at all is because Morgan knew Mordred was going to fuck up, and put a curse on her to spring back up and deliver a final blow to whatever killed her. Even when we take that into consideration, there's the point made in Camelot, and by Bedivere at the end of F/SN and in GoA - even with just the healing of Excalibur, she could have come back if she wanted to. However, she had accepted by then (post-F/SN) that it time to move on, and to return Excalibur to the lake fairies. Taking all of this account, materials have made it perfectly clear
Mordred herself doesn't realistically think she can beat her father in a fight, even with all of her boasting. Considering she's one of the only two or three characters in Apoc with halfway decent writing, that's something you should have picked up. The fact that she managed to inflict so much damage despite such a hopeless situation is a part of what makes her interesting.
>>15134876
>>15134773
I suppose when you don't have any points to make about what is, you start struggling for points about what isn't.
82d35a No.15135306
>>15135275
Also she wasnt't a heroic spirit back then, right? So you can't exactly take into account her strength before she died.
0ffbde No.15135311
>>15135286
Other clarification here:
Mordred being at a disadvantage in Round Table terms still puts her as an A-Rank Heroic Spirit.
b50ccc No.15135314
>>15135286
>dude screencap my post
<ha, now you're just reaching to make fun of how stupid I am about promotional art
0ffbde No.15135386
>>15135314
Since it's apparently too hard for you to understand:
F/GO was not released with the assumption it would actually last. Nasu did Fuyuki and fucked off to leave the B-Team to handle the rest, and they did piss-poor jobs of it - admittedly so on their part, even.
The original F/GO promotional art was done to advertise a set of new characters who were being introduced with the game. That was literally the entirety of the point behind it being released. If you want a better example, look at the promotional art for Epic of Remnant, where they specifically made a point to include the main story relevant character from three of the singularities, plus EMIYA Alter, who ended up being relevant to both Shinjuku and the CCC event (which was at the time still under wraps). That's the new precedent which has been set moving forward.
09cbad No.15135388
When are they putting this shit on the switch?
d686d9 No.15135398
>>15135388
Probably never going to be on consoles. Maybe next gen handhelds.
b50ccc No.15135427
>>15135386
Care to explain why no one on the promotional art was relevant to the first belt? Unless you count Lancer just popping in to reveal herself and do nothing.
cab8de No.15135428
Why Ozy is ranked best rider?
He only has one good skill.
67fb98 No.15135505
>>15135428
Yeah one good skill that gives the party 20% NP and makes imperial privilege amazing in combination. Also make other people with random chance skills like Nero and Hans more consistent. You could do better then charisma but at least it's not fucking instinct. His NP is strong as well.
0ffbde No.15135538
>>15135427
The first Lost Belt was meant to resolve Anastasia, who was essentially introduced even earlier than the promotional material. It brought in Avicebron, which was something required before the Apoc event due to the way that story was structured, as well as bringing in Beowulf for an actual serious role. Plus the needed to use it to introduced VR Mashu. The promotional Alter-Ego has already introduced as Caster Limbo, Lancer received her first appearance (albeit not gameplay, yet), and Assassin was already established. That leaves 5 promo Servants and 6 Lost Belts, not counting the ones from the PVs. We can count on Lancer making her main showing in #5, which leaves one apiece to the others. The Lost Belt #2 rate-up is the new Archer, which points to a continuation of the precedent set from EoR onward.
a475c7 No.15135817
It's, not as important as what >>15135505 mentioned, but he also has pretty good star weight as a Rider and can Buster Brave combo with his NP.
024bb7 No.15135879
im probably late to the party on saying this but nasu really likes to use MC has a power they can barely control and they fight people that are inhumanly strong despite just being a normal human concept. I've been interested in the lore of the nasuverse so nothing really surprises me since i just go "oh its this concept being used or oh its that concept being used" but bedivere turning out to be just a normal flesh and blood human came as a big surprise and really brought me back and felt like classic nasu
305ec9 No.15135947
Since furries are a thing in Fate now, how long do we have to wait until we get some qt female furries? Who would they be?
c4d3f7 No.15135992
>>15135947
Wait until we get Summer Ivan.
bbd947 No.15136407
>>15135947
Scalies have been in Fate since day one considering Artoria's secretly a dragonkin :^)
c5ea81 No.15136430
>>15135992
>summer servant
>male
Pick one.
This is a good thing
faa57e No.15136600
How can I make my Fran better? She's not quite doing as good as I hoped on these ember runs…
5028b3 No.15136651
>>15136600
Grail her? Assuming you're not an idiot you probably 10/10/10 and max fou'd her, so there's little else to do. What CE are you running?
53f0dc No.15136654
>>15136600
Quick up or NP damage up CE, Waver and something to remove debuffs.
f94f98 No.15136669
>>15136600
There is just about no way she should not be clearing hands with her np and 3rd skill. Slap and starting np CE on her, feed her meter with Waver and nuke some shit.
16d3e8 No.15137305
>>15135428
Because it makes Imperial Privilege consistent, along with the party buff. A 40% att/def buff along with a 3000hp heal is pretty considerable, mate.
He tanks hard, he hits even harder, he heals himself, buffs the whole party with both attack up and NP gauge up, along with naturally having good stats and a high crit weight with a decent NP. Plus, you know, NPBB chains with Merlin in the horizon…
eef19d No.15138082
When is the best day to roll during this event? 16th looks great but the 14th isn't bad either. It feels like rolling without considering what else has a rate up that day is a waste.
c4d3f7 No.15138100
>>15138082
Do you really want Da Vinci or any of the story locked Servants?
faa57e No.15138103
>>15136651
>>15136654
>>15136669
I usually run her with Halloween Princess, and Halloween Devil on my Waver, both LB'ed. My main problem is keeping her alive during that first round, a few unlucky hits and she topples.
62479d No.15138178
>>15138103
Are you raising any mystic codes aside from the jumpsuit? If you aren't, you could use the jumpsuit for character swapping. Have Fran take out the first, a 2nd character to take out the next group, and a support to remove the last group.
faa57e No.15138196
>>15138178
I'm currently working on the one with the group heal, np boost and card shuffle.
22d7d2 No.15138556
>Recently replay Tsukihime and read Chaos Theory for the first time.
>In the mood for some more Type Moon goodness from Nasu.
>Hmm, these fags here have been having threads about this mobage called Grand Order for ages, maybe it's not so bad.
>It kinda looks like a traditional turn based RPG and the aesthetics are pretty, I should try it out.
>Google play.
>Oh_no_no_no_no_no.avi
>Go to apkpure instead.
>54 mbs
>Huh? Seriously? With that many art assets? Maybe the devs are actually competent and know what data compression is. Not bad. Expectations slowly rising.
>Install it externally and run it.
>Game must install additional files to run.
>The fuck? I thought I made sure to get the latest version? Well whatever, the game is like 54 megabytes, an update to it won't be a big deal.
>Notice how long it takes to download.
>Wait a minute.
>Shut it down before it eats all my mobile traffic.
>Look up online.
>Game actually weighs over 500 megabytes with all the updates
>What the fuck? Why didn't they include this shit in the base download? Well whatever, I'll just get the complete vers-
>Only possible to download and install the files through the app.
Never touching mobage ever again. Fuck you guys for tricking me into wasting my time on your shit gacha game.
faa57e No.15138624
>>15138556
Just watch a playthrough of the singularities or something then, dude. Calm down. Also, why the fuck are you using data to download an app if you're autistic enough to avoid Google Play?
c4d0b1 No.15138675
>>15138556
I don't know anon it gets pretty good later on. Probably find videos online but your call.
024bb7 No.15138756
>>15138556
na we didnt do anything. its your fault for being dumb
62479d No.15138759
Is there any reason why the monsters exist in the singularities? I noticed that sometime they were called phantasmals, but it seems really confusing that monsters would pop up in history. The dragon bone warriors and skeletons I get, but the goblins, werebeasts gazers, and spriggans that pop up seem to oddly stick out.
5028b3 No.15139028
>>15138759
Orleans explained why Wyverns were there
Septem hand waived golems
Okeanos was in a mythological area so they didn't feel the need to explain
London had everything be made either by Babbage or books from Nursery
America everything was either machines from Edison and Medb was spawning celtic warriors and because of her expanding domain I believe other creatures were being brought forth.
Camelot had Sphinx because Ozy and crazy people due to living conditions turning them into ghoul
Anything else is basically hand waived for video game enemies to actually be used.
>>15138556
>autistic enough to avoid google play
>downloads via data
62479d No.15139073
>>15139028
Orleans and London were explained, Okeanos was a bit shifty, so I didn't really include them because of that. When it came to what I listed that's what stuck out. America had an excuse for the machines and the celts, but the monsters stick out, I'll admit. Spriggan I could excuse because that monster's introduction was before the last boss fight. But what about the Soul Eaters and Gazers? The gazer was a fictional monster made in America, and soul-eater is something entirely different.
On top of that, doesn't explain the generics like the goblins/weres/amazons/etc. It makes me wonder when they'll have an event that would explain why the monsters would keep spawning even after singularities have been conquered.
16d3e8 No.15139150
>>15138556
>Chaos Theory
Noice.
0ffbde No.15139315
>>15138675
>later on
He literally never started. Downloading the game was too much.
ac961d No.15140489
>>15138196
Yeah unfortunately as a Lancelot fag, the only way to really avoid that is give her more health, either by levelling up that Halloween Princess to almost max or Grailing. (I Grailled Lance to 90 for the HP boost because I got sick of him being focused down too before deciding to go all the way and level him to 100) but if you don't have the exp for leveling the CE, already have it to max and not satisfied with the HP still and don't feel like grailing, I'd try just using the Waver support Defense buff at the start to last about 2-3 rounds which should be enough to get to the next two waves.
f205ef No.15140776
>>15140489
>grailing for gameplay
not based
5028b3 No.15140820
>>15140776
>grailing a servant to solve their problems because you like using them
>for gameplay
There are dozens of 4* better suited for grailing fag.
f205ef No.15140845
>>15140820
>How can I make my Fran better? She's not quite doing as good as I hoped on these ember runs…
He's grailing because he's too retarded to 3 turn hands with a waver, based retard poster
5028b3 No.15140860
>>15140845
>complains about gameplay fags
<lol just run waver guys
f205ef No.15140861
>>15140860
Based retard poster still fails to read posts. See: >>15138103
I know I shouldn't expect much intelligence out of a mobage thread but you really do take it to the next level, is Mordred your waifu or something?
2c6818 No.15140868
>>15140861
Oh it's this guy again, come back after getting shit on last thread for the lack of Christians?
f205ef No.15140877
>>15140868
I'm f2p and I grailed my hans, based trying to attribute an identity to someone in an anonymous imageboard poster.
21e12b No.15140883
>>15140877
>based trying to attribute an identity to someone in an anonymous imageboard poster.
>>15140861
>Based retard poster
Christfag last thread didn't post his team so I don't know what you're trying to prove.
5028b3 No.15140884
>>15140877
Christfag from last thread didn't post his team, what are you doing?
f205ef No.15140892
>>15140884
>>15140883
I thought he meant a lack of (Hans) Christian (Anderson)
865125 No.15140905
>>15140892
>makes fun of others for not reading posts properly
>doesn't read posts properly
f205ef No.15140912
>>15140905
I'm literally just looking for excuses to post my grailed hans
ac961d No.15141056
>>15140845
One thing, I'm not Fran poster, just said I ran Lancelot. Two; I don't always run waver for farming, back when I got my first two grails I had shit for farming servants, so Lancelot was pretty much my MVP all day while I ran maybe a secondary support AOE for counterclass and Hans. I could not afford to run Waver when my roster was small. Sue me if I thought at the time that not only did I like Lancelot a lot. I also used grails as an investment for padding. I also suggested ways of going around that if he didn't feel like dropping grails because Grails are a precious resource, to which then I suggested the defense buff since he's already running Waver anyway. But shit man, if you want grails to be on somebody you never use and just like, more power to you I guess.
9219e7 No.15141107
>>15140861
She's my only AoE Beserker, and I only use her because it requires the least possible thought while I press the same buttons to grind in this fucking game. I could strategize with my Okita or Altera, but I just want to play this in the background as much as possible until I get enough materials.
ac961d No.15141150
>>15140845
Not to mention
>Complains about grailing for gameplay reasons
>Grails two of the most grailed servants that are commonly grailed specifically for Gameplay reasons
>Comes in here to show off his grailed Hans as if it's special despite the fact.
Nah man, nah.
949d38 No.15141329
Just three more grails, old friend..
5028b3 No.15141402
>>15140892
>you will never play a Fate/Stay Night where Shirou summons Spartacus
>you will never have Spartacus constantly drag Shirou into crazy situations despite his protests
>you will never have Shirou fighting along with Spartacus anyway because even if they're insane rambling Shirou understands Spartacus on a base level
>there will be no scenes where every single fight is an uphill battle and every single fight Spartacus and Shirou glance past death
>you will never have a final scene where everyone else is dead
>Spartacus announces there's only one oppressor left
>Shirou and Spartacus duke it out in an explosive finale as both ponder the relationship they built along the way
>this will also be the Shinji route so Shirou can finally choose bros before hoes
Why even live?
f94f98 No.15141431
>>15141402
>not the Illya route where Shirou and Spartacus liberate her from the anti-loli oppressors
f752b5 No.15143763
>>15112535
I prefer alter's 1 piece tbh
the boob window they added makes me diamonds