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Konami forced Kojima to make another sequel after 2, which then became a prequel because he had no ideas at all. It made 4 a huge mess that tied all the ends together.

>>15070859

At least they never tried to make a 5th one that went nowhere.

Series should have ended with 2, but 3 was nice gameplay-wise. Just wish they didn't force in 4 and 5 to fuck with that meager story even more.

also inb4 that one faggot who calls kojima a hack

>>15070830

As far as I'm concerned, MGS1 and 3 are all that exist.

>>15070981

Okay, let's be fair. MGS is nearly as much as a repeat of MG2 as MGS2 is a repeat of MGS. I don't think it's fair to say MGS2 was definitely being forced into being more and more like MGS, by executives, when Kojima already had a history of repetition in the series.

>>15071829

I've been wondering this so much since I started playing and loving MGS. What exactly is kojimbo's ideas and which ones weren't. I need to know if you could get some details and documentary series I really need to see it.

>>15074462

He isn't a real human though. When I say he isn't human, I mean metaphorically. He is nothing but a clone of an existing human. All his skills, body features, voice and way of thinking is just the result of someone else's years of true experience. He had it all practically given to him since day 1, while Big Boss's character on the other hand was molded through real battle and experiences.

Sure, Solid also went through training and operations but the key to his success was his genetics, which belonged to a different person.

Solid isn't as much of a "human" as Big Boss.

Sage because we already have an MGS thread

>>15074745

so are you Kojima?

>>15074745

>but the key to his success was his genetics, which belonged to a different person

Then none of us are human, because we inherit the genes of our parents. It's a retarded argument to make, especially when MGS1 clearly shows Snake rise above his genetics and defeat the "superior" clone.

Kojima wanted to tell a better story about Big Boss. Aesthetically, it's the same fucking guy, so I don't see the problem with putting SS on the backburner? I've always wanted a Liquid game, personally.

>>15074745

I'm no expert on cloning but I'm pretty sure that both skills and way of thinking are things you have to learn yourself as a clone. He might have a good basis for improving his body and mind, but that's like saying that the child of an intelligent and fit person doesn't have to work to become fit or learned. They may have a genetic advantage over someone with bad genes, but they still have to put in the work themselves.

>>15071829

Continuing >>15074462, I respect that skepticism. The guy you might be looking for is Tomokazu Fukushima. He was a co-writer for nearly every Metal Gear game until 4, which Kojima did without him. I doubt he was responsible for everything, but as far as "names responsible for MGS' success that go underappreciated", he's probably high on that list.

>>15074745

Did you miss the redtext on my post or something? Read the thing in full. And if you mean to say Solid Snake doesn't have true emotions, please replay Metal Gear Solid and actually absorb what's going on and being said. Go home, Liquid, we're trying to have a thread.

>>15074826

Fair enough if he just wants to tell a story, but Solid Snake isn't Big Boss. They're similar but have a lot of nuanced differences.

>>15074813

Amazing how quickly this is forgotten.

>>15075277

it's fun to fantasize about an alternate universe where liquid shitposts about his jealousy of Solid Snake, but instead of making something of it he just stays home as a neet.

Also, WHERE THE FUCK did Tomokazu Fukushima go

Also >>15074745 i think this topic is different enough to have his own thread

>>15074462

I see there he does say write, but when I think of what Kojima might consider writing I imagine (perhaps unjustly) him coming to work with a stained burger joint napkin that reads:

>Escape from New York

>wears a bandanna

>smokes cigarettes

>is a clone

Which he hands off and it's the people that support him that flesh this skeleton out and create worthwhile characters everyone knows today. I may be exaggerating but not by much I feel. It's known that he adores film, multiple characters have had their appearances simply transplanted from film, I wouldn't be shocked to discover that he does imagine/describe/pitch characters as x from x, like a true idea guy. In the interview from E3 2017 with the director of Kong: Skull Island just about everything from every game, idea or mechanic he discussed was "this was x from movie x". I think he's a great idea man in that, as a director, he's able to translate, through talented programmers, his passive film-going experience into gameplay that's atypical, enjoyable and highly immersive. Due to years of watching films he's also a pretty good cinematographer, and his cinematics are very good as far as video games go. And he's also a good dialogue director. These are his strengths as far as I'm concerned, mostly because he's watched and studied so much film and is able to emulate what he's seen and heard. He doesn't actually innovate in these departments though. Considering the reduction in quality of narrative and characterization in his games as he gathered more and more creative control, I am not comfortable listing writing as one of his strengths at this time.

>>15071994

I know of none besides The Document of Metal Gear Solid (or something like that) that came out around Sons of Liberty, the E3 2017 interview I mentioned above, and the Making of Metal Gear Solid 4 which Kojimafags lose sleep over because the Chad Yota dared to stand up to their god.

On that note, holy shit Kojima and his cult are some of the biggest bitches ever known.

>Spitefully remove Blaustein's Ghost from Metal Gear Solid

YASSSSSSS

>Konami removes Kojima's name from website and promotion images

How dare they do this to our sweet, innocent Kojima!

>Replaces David Hayter

YASSSSSSSS David Hayter sucks. Sutherland is the best, Kojima's a genius.

>Gets replaced

NOOOOOO, FUCK YOTA. MUH KOJIMA. MUH CINEMATICS.

Also I remember detecting a moment in the E3 blowjob of an interview were Kojima was asked about how he felt about the Konami situation or leaving Metal Gear behind and he frowned (perhaps just considering what the translator was saying to him) and the crowd started to "awwwwwww" and swear he reacted as if he wanted to milk that sympathy with more explicit pouting. That would make him a giant bitch in my book if it were actually so.

>>15075213

There is a world of difference between 1 - 3 and 4/PW/5. It's very interesting. As I said this is something that intrigues me about Death Stranding, will it be awful in narrative, will it be derivative, or will it live up to the fellating of Kojima's cultists. If he blunders this last chance I will never stop singing the name Fukushima. Despite all my damning of Kojima I do hope Death Stranding isn't shit. I've always appreciated the gameplay of Metal Gear Solid and I feel the same systemic design in the recent trailer.

>>15075361

who's Yota?

>>15075408

Yota is the artist

>>15075298

>he thinks MGS is not real.

AHAHAHAHA STAY DELUDED RAIDEN!

>>15075415

Yota Tsutsumizaki is the director of METAL GEAR SURVIVE. I'm retarded, I meant Yoji, the producer. It was also Yoji that had the disagreement with Hideo in the MGS4 documentary I believe. They both (Yota and Yoji) had the unenviable task of adopting roles formerly held by Kojima on a Metal Gear nobody wanted and hated irrationally. They also did a great job, but that's overshadowed by everyone's continued butthurt. I really hope they're working on a Solid title now. SURVIVE certainly lacked Kojima's stylish presentation of narrative, and the story wasn't anything spectacular (although due to rock bottom expectations the ending twist did catch me off guard) but it's gameplay was excellent, especially for Survival Viewer/MGSV gameplay fans who are simultaneously Survival Horror fans.

>>15075593

meant to reply to >>15075408 forgive my ineptitude

>>15075602

It ok I thought it was Yoji Shinkawa who follows kojima like a good art slave he is

i've always loved the linear game design of the classic metal gear games, until V, i think they could combine the sand box levels the series has always had, with broader paths and lesser downtime, plus maybe some places to hide from enemys like caves or something, plus a scenario i always thought was interesting for a metal gear game was infiltrating a militarized large city like new york, with mechs patrolling everywhere, huge walks, something like that, the metal gear universe has huge potential with its sci fi elements, for all around spectacular visuals, gameplay and scenarios, plus music

walls*

>>15075680

also the mech battle in MGS4 was hype as fuck, i'd love a MGS Mech Fighting game, fans (including me) would cream their pants.

>>15071204

> Ignoring Peace Walker

Missing out, but I completely agree otherwise.

>>15082662

>Would you give them a chance?

I would be very skepitcal but i'm willing to give anything a gentleman's try if it doesn't take out of my pocket

>>gameplay is MGS5 with the level design of MGS1

Wouldn't blend very well, the player would probably be grossly overpowered with the mobility options MGS5 presented. MGS1 level design was structured around its fixed cameras. To work with a beefed up engine you'd have to tweak the levels a lot and change enemy routes and abilities to counter the player. A lack of level design that makes use of the engine is also what caused MGS5 to flounder out so much

>>15071490

> I'd honestly say one of the most human Kojima has ever made. I just wish he hadn't forgotten that.

He somehow became obsessed with the idea of this extremely complex big boss character. At least I feel that's what happened. Even though we never truly closed the gap between Naked Snake and Big Boss as a villain. It just had to go deeper and it had to be more complex and there had to be something greater and it started to fall apart all while Solid Snake in his relatively simplicity kept a place in the fans hearts forever

>>15082673

Hm, let me rephrase that. Something to scale with the MGS5 gameplay and camera, but structured around some key locations that befitted its size, much like how some anons above were talking about. >>15075680 >>15075830

Essentially, have some crucial recurring areas in what's otherwise a large scale game that is built around the sort of flow that MGS1-3 had.

>>15082722

There's no reason it wouldn't work if the levels were properly thought out. The first two acts in MGS4 are fun because there's ways to play around with all the new tools you got after all

>>15070830

MGS1 would have been a good place to leave the series, but there was no way in hell Snake was ever going to be left in retirement. He was far too popular and so was MGS1.

>>15070981

>Then the game shifts gears and has you play as Raiden who is supposed to essentially be a proxy for the player. He's a guy who's trained on all the simulations of Solid Snake's adventures

At the time it was very disappointing to play as Raiden. Everyone wanted to play as Snake. However, it grew on me over time. Snake already concluded his journey from MG to MGS. Snake had found his place in the world. He would go on and combat the various metal gears that spawned from Rex. There's really nobody else who could do it like Snake can.

>>15070981

He couldn't leave the battlefield, because he was cloned from BB. Solidus could have just retired after his stint as president. He didn't have to do what he did, but he did. Liquid didn't have to try and regain Venom's body back, but he did. The shadow government wasn't something that snake could just let go. He even fucked up his relationship with Meryl like BB did with Eva.

>>15082720

The gap between Naked Snake and BB didn't really start until he allowed for the creation of Venom. Then again, that was just so that BB would stop being hunted down by the entire world. I still don't see how he could go from Naked to the BB in Zanzibarland, who held the entire world hostage over nukes and all for oil.

>>15082737

>>15082722

MGS4 just needed to not be so short. Tone down the open world of V and give players more room to play in and without acts that see Snake traveling across the globe. You got placed in an active battlefield early on and by the time you catch up to Ocelot, the map is over and Snake is fucking off to some new location. The maps were too sparse, too short and too different. There wasn't as much to do in them as there could have been. By the time you start to get the hang of things, the maps are nearly over. By the time you start getting into the mood of one map, you get carted off into a different environment.

>>15083096

>comparing him to Lucas

>in a timeline where we have Kathleen Kennedy, J. J. Abrams, and Rian Johnson

Be careful what you wish for man.

>>15083170

it's just a funny image, man. that's all

Play MGS4 then you'll find out Kojima didn't abandon Snake, retard. AFAIAC MGS ends at 4 anyways. MGS5PP is kinda pointless.

>>15070981

The game wasn't a jab at fans. It was a meta narrative about the effects of media control in the digital age. Kojima managed to keep 3/4ths of his game a complete secret from the entire world. The bait and switch was a commentary on how media can color our perceptions of an event. By the end of the game Raider is finally freed from his identity as Snake's proxy and truly comes into his own as a character getting a cool cyborg ninja sword and everything. Play the fucking game, nigger.

MGS4 Snake is very human, though. One of the themes of the game is that he keeps fighting only because they ask him to, even if he's long past his prime and should just take a rest. He really doesn't want to fight, which is reflected via the psyche mechanic and some minor details, like the audio line "… because you enjoy the killing, that's why" replaying in his head just before puking if you go out guns blazing against several enemies.

The end of the game, with the microwave corridor scene, has a really neat trick: the button pressing frequency is determined by an algorithm that just asks you to press the button faster than you are pressing it right now. You are constantly asked to one up yourself for several excruciating seconds, and by the end of it, your fingers hurt and all you want is for it to end, but you are asked to keep pressing the goddamn button. Just like Snake is being asked to go again on his hardest mission one more time, despite being old and tired.

The post credits scene shows Snake suffering from BB syndrome: he has been fighting his whole life and knows nothing but war, which is the reason BB decides to build Outer Heaven despite not really being The Boss' vision, because to BB the paradise of war was paradise to him, because he knew nothing but constant warfare, and he couldn't imagine anything else but war. Old Snake asks Otacon what to do now that the war is finally over, and Otacon just recommends him to live the rest of his life in peace, like a regular person, which is what I assume Old Snake did, so I assume that would count as him beating his own destiny, if just briefly. MGS4 has a lot of bullshit going on, but I feel it characterised Snake with a lot of respect.

>>15084809

If you felt nothing at the end of MGS4 you don't belong on this website. You're too young.

>>15084809

I think that is the thing people overlook. Snake really is not human. He is a made to order soldier. Yet he is the most human acting person in the whole series.

>>15071146

>Kojima's departure from Konami/MGS is mentioned in a positive way

>Somebody immediately shills Survive

Like pottery

>>15072444

>I demand a version of 3 for PC so I can actually fucking play it.

You can download a PS2 emulator and play it.

>>15082662

>Would you give them a chance?

Yes.

>>15083170

>>in a timeline where we have Kathleen Kennedy, J. J. Abrams, and Rian Johnson

>implying this means he cant be compared to him

Lucas is still a retarded idea guy, despite what /tv/ would have you believe.

With the former staff of kojima productions blacklisted from the industry by pachinko yakuza, I just wish western companies would step up to poach all that talent.

>>15087480

Some of his ideas were genuinely interesting, his failing is he has no idea how to relay his ideas in a way that isn't retarded.

>>15095487

>I just wish western companies would step up to poach all that talent.

they would just force them to do SJW nonsense