72b4e6 No.15042923
Something I notice every time we shit on Western VAs when they do something stupid (like calling for a strike when they're the most expendable part of development) is that there's always at least one or two anons who claim that they're inferior to Jap voice actors for one reason or another. I don't really give a shit about the sub vs dub debate (though I lean dub on basis of wanting to understand what they say during unsubbed parts of the game like combat; autistic of me I know), but it made me curious how sometimes people will give a character a pass solely on the basis of the star power of the person voicing them. For instance, Saihara of Danganronpa V3 won an official popularity poll despite being considered a tad boring and being at the center of two mixed-to-unpopular plot twists, and one place attributes his success to being voiced by Megumi Hayashibara "a legend amongst seiyuus that no one would dare to diss her characters".
I admit to not being fully familiar with the local culture, but by placing Seiyuus on a pedestal, wouldn't the cancer of inflated egos plaguing our talent industry manifest in Nippon? Similar to the people who push the "Jews fear the Samurai" meme until kikes like Arcsys are cutting entire fighting game rosters in half and selling them as DLC.
38efd4 No.15042950
>>15042923
Jap VAs are proper professionals, that's the biggest difference with the west as well as the reason why inflated egos aren't really a big issue over there yet.
ddf686 No.15042957
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There's pros and cons to it. As you mentioned OP that a worship of someone is a bad thing, but you're either ignoring or are unaware of the good. Firstly I fall on the sub side of the argument, the reason being it's because the director decided on that actor whereas the dub was picked by someone being a friend of someone else, applying for a job, or even volunteering in some cases. The cases of directors supposedly preferring dubs is blown way out of proportion and disregards the quality of the original material.
Look at it like this. nu god of war has many problems, but one often not mentioned is the treatment of Kratos as a character. Whatever you think of him, there was a consistency to him and that is aided by him being played by the same actor time and time again. You can imagine someone playing these same roles over and over again not only helps build the character in a unique way through the actors feedback and delivery, but also creates an identity for that character beyond just the writing, but also in the performance. Actors can deliver nuance to lines that might otherwise be missed. Something the muted tones of Runkachunk as 2B failed to capture while her Japanese VA nailed the lines with the appropriate emotional intent throughout. Rina-chan on the contrary was serious and monotone almost the entire time, and that was not the point of 2B as a character.
I brought up Kratos to provide another example, Stephen Russell as Garrett in Thief. He's also been contracted for other roles as shady thief types in games like the elder scrolls for his performance as Garrett. If you look at some of the documenting of Russell working with LGS he was put on record saying he helped design scenarios just so Garrett could make a quip, such as the famous scene with Benny in Thief 2 (embed.) This not only influenced the level design, but aided in the world building, and characterization. Now look at Kratos, a replaced voice actor who must learn the nuances of an established character (apparently this is the same Kratos, I dunno I don't play those kinds of games), while also providing a conflicting point for that character to exist with established fans.
Focusing solely on the negative like you did OP paints an ugly picture of everything in the industry, which has plenty of redeeming factors.
3f73d1 No.15042967
Japan and the east is the biggest gey.
5f3e27 No.15042992
>>15042950
>Jap VAs are proper professionals
Pretty much hit the nail on the head there. The difference this makes is pretty huge. For example, I don't remember hearing of a western VA winning a Grammy for the theme song of a game before, but in Japan, Nana Mizuki won the Japanese equivalent of a Grammy for Justice to Believe, the opening theme of Wild Arms 5.
34a7fc No.15042994
>>15042967
Birdposters please leave.
ddf686 No.15042995
>>15042992
A lot of Japanese singers have a really nice range.
820bf0 No.15043021
>>15042957
It tends to be the producer who picks VAs. Not the director. And they're definitely chosen based on financial/popularity factors, not who would do a better job.
b8cfc3 No.15043031
>weeb vidya will never be dubbed by professional movie actors
JUST
ddf686 No.15043033
>>15043021
>not who would do a better job.
prove it.
32ec2d No.15043035
>>15042923
>danganronpa
Hmm…OK, I"ll let this slide and treat this topic seriously.
To answer your question, yes, Japan isn't all that different from the West when it comes to celebrity as a concept. However, the f(r)ipside is that those same VAs are also under the public eye and thus fucking up will cost them and their social image greatly like with Aya Hirano. AFAIK this has not affected the popularity of characters she;s voiced like Konata.
I wouldn't attribute Saihara winning a popularity poll to be solely due to Hayashibara. Lots of MCs are high on popularity polls simply because the audience is exposed to them the most while experiencing the work if they've even perused it at all. Maybe the MC gets advertised the most so people are familiar with him through pop cultural osmosis to the detriment of the rest of the cast. People vote on popularity based on the dumbest, most irrational things. It really depends on how you define "worship" because a person could vote on the poll for a certain character just by recognizing the voice actor or actress without even hearing the voice. Maybe they didn't consider the voice at all and just liked the character design.
It's also ridiculously easy to change a fanbase's opinion on something just by giving them a position to parrot, much like 90% of people just base their opinions on current events by reciting whatever the journalists write. If you're in the cancer gathering that is Power Rangers, you may note that Carter Grayson is a fan favorite character and is oft described as "badass." Thing was, the prevailing opinion was that he was a boring Power Ranger until a video (not going to mention it specifically) highlighted how he was a character who shot monsters with guns as opposed to taking them on with martial arts like in previous seasons. Now people think it's "cool" to like the character even though they don't know why they like him, only that a video said he was cool just like people drink Pinot Noir after watching Sideways. Reminds me of the "Limited Souls" theory even though it's just another garbage way to say "I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE I'M THE ONLY AWARE ONE"
000000 No.15043052
>>15043035
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the limited souls theory. Gookanon from the GG threads says it's an important part of buddhist doctrine, and I would trust him on anything.
6dcf55 No.15043087
>(1) and done OP
a thread died for this.
00650e No.15043096
>>15042923
Because western VAs don't sell games. No one hears about someone voicing a character for the latest RPG or Action game and that's one of the sole reasons many people will buy said game. It certainly works that way in Japan though. Hearing that a veteran seiyuu is voicing a particular character is an actual draw and the agencies which control the talent there know it. Which is why the top shelf AAA seiyuu can get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for voicing a character in your run of the mill anime, let alone a video game. They have idol and pop star status in that sphere of the world. Hearing that Aoi Yuki is voicing the waifu character in this video game is as big a draw as hearing Tom Cruise is starring in this latest Hollywood blockbuster.
72b4e6 No.15043137
>>15042957
I'll admit, I could be accentuating the negative unreasonably. In the current year, it's all too easy to just take the jaded position. Your point about Thief and the influence of the VA on game development was something I hadn't considered before though. It's easy to forget that once upon a time there were people on this side of the pacific who cared. Makes me wonder if Jap dubbing English games run into the same problems you mentioned.
>>15043031
I know the guy who did Spock was in a Kingdom Hearts game. Does that count?
b44c57 No.15043197
>>15042923
This is not a problem when the japanese superior culture emphasizes hard work and professionalism. Their voice actors are all at the mercy of the public eye for any transgression or lackluster delivery of their jobs. This creates an ecosystem where the actors are forced to get better by the very public that make their jobs worth of a living. All worship of people is bad, but in Japan's case, it is tolerable when the point of the worship is to keep the professionals under control, and thus, keeping the quality of work always good.
As for the west, pretty much everything is shit. Even "good" actors are hired based on leftist politics and nepotism, to the point that even when they fuck up something (and they always do), their connections try (and mostly fail) to prevent them from being harmed in any way, creating a swamp of failed actors with inflated egos that the more they fail, the more their ass-kissers make them believe that they are doing great, until their situation can't be sustained anymore and then they are purged and replaced by the new idiots that are hired because of their connections.
>>15043035
What was the deal with Aya Hirano?
df3659 No.15043222
>>15043197
>What was the deal with Aya Hirano?
She fucked everyone in her band except the for bassist. Otaku don't take kindly to characters being voiced by a whore.
4659c7 No.15043226
>>15043197
>What was the deal with Aya Hirano?
Someone found out that she had sex. Literally, that's it. Consider that VAs are basically idol singers in everything but name, and idol singers are marketed on their purity, well…
7f8651 No.15043265
Nipponese VAs work better for nippon-based and created works more often than not
English VAs work better for western-created or based works more often than not; look at Hellsing Ultimate's dub vs sub for a good example of this being the case
Japan is not immune from cancer though so you're right on the money, Nipponese VAs are indeed treated like gods over there and worship-culture is cancer
7f8651 No.15043275
>>15043197
>in Japan's case, it is tolerable when the point of the worship is to keep the professionals under control, and thus, keeping the quality of work always good.
>point of the worship is to keep the professionals under control
How does this make any sense whatsoever?
5f3e27 No.15043295
>>15043275
He probably means the fact that the worship keeps the person under constant scrutiny, and otaku turn on their idols instantly for a single fuck up. Aya Hirano was mentioned earlier and is a good example of this.
72b4e6 No.15045327
>>15043222 (checked)
>>15043226
What other things set the Otakus off, besides learning the women whose voice they want to fuck is impure? I want to get a good idea of just how tenuous the career of a VA in Japan is compared to locally.
0e9fa0 No.15045473
>>15043137
Jean-Luc Picard was in Castlevania.
a78478 No.15045485
>>15045327
Calling them gross and fat doesn't help
38efd4 No.15045511
>>15045327
Learning that the 2D character they want to fuck is impure.
6ba941 No.15045551
>>15045327
I don't know about otaku but if it's about seiyuus, you could try watching the anime Sore ga Seiyuu. There should be many other pieces of media out there too about the vocation
6015f4 No.15045604
>>15045473
Is Lords of Shadow truly Castlevania though :^)
That reminds me, the voice cast for Soul Reaver strikes me as the image of professional VAs.
f94f09 No.15056779
>>15042957
>Current year vidya industry
>Redeeming factors
I don't know whether to envy or scorn your optimism.
>>15042923
Who's the girl in OP's pic?
4be04c No.15056799
>>15043031
Hamill voiced Majima in the dubbed version of the first Yakuza game and it was weird
72b4e6 No.15057652
ddf686 No.15057660
>>15056779
>I don't know whether to envy or scorn your optimism.
envy, because you do not know as much as I do.
239e63 No.15067647
>>15042950
This, plus many of them tend to still be pretty down to earth so to speak, when seen in interviews and commentaries and the like, and tend to actually show genuine respect and like for what they do - Midorikawa Hikaru, for instance, is a well known Super Robot Wars nerd, not only getting the games at launch but also supposedly doing pro bono voice work for them, which is why characters like Heero and Masaki sometimes have more "unique" lines than other characters (seriously, note how many unique lines Heero has in SRW X for specific villains that have nothing to do with Gundam Wing.)
7aea11 No.15068201
>>15042950
This, here VA's are the people who wouldn't cut it in real acting so they just parasitically latch on to the next job.
Meanwhile even in your most generic moe shit anime or game they'll have popular pop singers or actors in the roles.
It's honestly amazing how many roles in many different shows and genres Wakamoto is in watching jap shit fpr example, he's not wanted for someone in a game he's wanted period.
7aea11 No.15068464
>>15068379
Now if only Kamen Rider Build wasn't hot trash.
73678d No.15068485
>>15043226
>>15043222
Didnt she get caught with drugs too, or was that some other VA?
7aea11 No.15068499
>>15068491
Will Evol get enough emotions next episode to get the lead role in the school play next episode.
Oh boy I hope after Evol's beaten be becomes yet another "wacky" and "Hilarious" joke character like the rest of them.
Maybe he can wear shit clothes for a oh so hilarious gag with Gentoku XD.
f08730 No.15068500
Seiyuus treat their careers are actual careers, with all the hard work and dedication you would expect from anyone else in any other field.
Western voice "actors' treat their "careers" as meal tickets.
0cafde No.15068502
>>15068491
>thinking build isn't hot trash
>thinking you sound cool by calling correct opinions "child's play"
you got me man. that joke really got me.
f11a7f No.15068547
I've bought a few games just because Heather Hogan, who I liked as Colette in Tales of Symphonia during my childhood, voiced a character in it.
And I have yet to regret it.
f08730 No.15068560
>>15068547
Now that you mention it, TWEWY did have good dub work. A little wooden at times but overall solid. Maybe it's because being a DS game most voicework was limited to short clips instead of lengthy dialogues.
7aea11 No.15068564
>>15068527
>Use examples from current episodes
>b-buh that's just the current episodes
Nigga I bet if I used examples from earlier episodes like how the fuck can't a professional boxer just straight up out punch some nerd or other riders for that matter, fucking robot in Idolfaggotry being a worthless character or the entire supporting cast just being bad gag machines and offer nothing. You'd have gone "But those were the early episodes" KYS nigger go jerk off to bad fight choreography, writing and CG somewhere else .
>Going or /krg/
No anon, you don't belong here.
0cafde No.15068596
>>15068527
anon please you're taking your joke too far come on, you've already got the laughs leave with your dignity intact
451dbe No.15068622
>>15068596
Is that asian Charls?
0cafde No.15068636
>>15068622
nah some actor named katsuya.
don't even know his first name.
451dbe No.15068671
>>15068636
Charls Katsuya?
6b52bd No.15079512
c3691b No.15089205
>>15042992
>using jewish trophies as an argument
dafc8c No.15089223
>>15042950
Also they put a lot of their heart and soul into that shit. Now, I don't care if you hate Kojimbo or not, but the raw emotion in the ending of MGS4 between Snake and Big Boss in the Jap dub is amazing. If I recall, they were actually father and son and that is why it worked so well. Not knocking Doyle's work, which is also fantastic, but fake emotions will never beat out real emotions.
387fa5 No.15089252
>>15042992
>art awards
>any (((awards)))
239e63 No.15089254
>>15089223
>MGS4 between Snake and Big Boss in the Jap dub is amazing. If I recall, they were actually father and son
You are correct, and both are/were also professional voice actors in their own right, in the father's case up to the point of his death at the age of 85.
e09052 No.15090184
>>15042923
To be honest I liked it better when devs and interns doubled as VAs (at least for non MCs) and VAs weren't all so union-based.
b3be11 No.15095507
>>15068500
Every westerner treats western voice acting like meal tickets though. Nobody actually believes that non-Japanese voice actors can be as good, nor do they even want western voice actors to be as good. In the event that there existed a western voice actor who was on par or above Japanese VAs, he'd be immediately blacklisted or shot so he wouldn't raise the bar for competition or force people to say that you don't have to be a Nip to sound good in front of a microphone. Radio shows are dead, unions hate you, weeaboos hate you, stage, show, and film actors look down on you, project creators don't want you if you're not female, other westerners won't care, Europeans will be disgusted if you sound American, Americans won't properly judge your skills if your accent is sufficiently European, your voice director will typecast you, and there's only so many Warhammer 40k voice roles to go around to allow you to go ham with your acting. I sure hope nobody on /v/ is trying to do voice acting.
2eee6a No.15095541
>>15042950
>>15042923
Voice acting is a much bigger market in non-english speaking countries due to dubbing for (((hollywood))) imports. Really big name Japanese anime/game VAs usually have credits doing dub-work for blockbuster american movies and popular television series. Good luck finding a western VA for video games with anything like that on their resume.
1b8190 No.15095557
>>15042923
I want to date Rie Takahashi tbh.
1ee35f No.15095582
>>15043265
>English VAs work better for western-created or based works more often than not; look at Hellsing Ultimate's dub vs sub for a good example of this being the case
I think that only worked because they gave a shit about the dub, that's more likely to happen with non-union workers since they aren't usually marxists or jews.
239e63 No.15096281
>>15043265
>English VAs work better for western-created or based works more often than not; look at Hellsing Ultimate's dub vs sub for a good example of this being the case
While Ultimate's dub was good, I would not by any means say it was better than hearing Nakata Jouji and Wakamoto Norio having at each other.
>>15095507
>Nobody actually believes that non-Japanese voice actors can be as good, nor do they even want western voice actors to be as good.
I think they CAN be, and I'd like them to be - actors like Scott McNeil and Steve Blum can have amazing range and do a variety of voices at different emotional levels, but they've been typecast hard and suffer from consistently awful directors.
>In the event that there existed a western voice actor who was on par or above Japanese VAs, he'd be immediately blacklisted or shot so he wouldn't raise the bar for competition
This is probably true though, especially considering how pozzed the Western creative industry is.