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BG is mechanically solid if a little easy. The story is coherent between titles and not too intrusive.

PoE is a mess from start to finish, story-wise as well as mechanically.

Your time is better spent on BG. Don't get the enhanced edition though.

>>15029457

>don't get the enhanced edition

Aww, i thought it was a nice thing they made. 16:9 and GOG installer. My system currently terribly supports 4:3 resolutions.

BG is art compared to the trash fire of poe.

>>15029490

So what's exactly bad with POE? I am not talking about design ideas like gay people, i am talking about quality of writing and gameplay.

>>15029436

>>15029499

PoE 1 has a lot of useless information and lore dumps. Your choices in the main question dont have any effects within PoE 1 itself, and you are forced to complete mostly shitty sidequests on higher difficulty to farm XP. From time to time there a good sidequest like infiltrating a castle.

The Gameplay has clear balancing issues. Some classes are practically worthless while others are OP, there is an abundance of mobs and the AI can do nothing besides running up to your tank, encircle him, and then get destroyed by your backrow dps´.

I havent completed PoE 2 yet, however it seems you have a lot more freedom within this game. Some choices you made in PoE 1 have an effect, Sidequests have multiple ways of being completed, and the lore dump has been scaled back.

The AI is smarter than befor and dosent cluster around your tank anymore, mobs arent as present, and shipbattels are neat. On the other hand some classes are still worthless wheras others instakill everything, and the game is extremly easy even on highest difficulty.

People who try to sell you on the idea that Baldurs Gate 1 is any better are blinded by nostalgia. None of your choices matter, the story forces you to be a generic RPG good guy and can be summarized by "kill bad guy because he wants power and is evil". Sidequests also follow this generic good guy formular and have to be completed just in order to gain XP (you also get less XP, gold, and items for quests if your "morality" is below 10 for no reason at all).

The gameplay offers a lot more freedom, however, classes have severe balancing issues and save scumming is encouraged to no end.

I also havent completed Baldurs Gate 2 because its basically just like Baldurs Gate 1. Meaningless choices, linear and generic good guy vs bad guy story, save scumming, forced sidequests, and some freedom regarding your classes.

Unfortunatley these 2 franchieses still are some of the best CRPG´s that have been made, so there isnt much of an alternative. Try PoE if you like a somewhat good story, and BG if you enjoy somewhat good gameplay.

>>15029626

>Try PoE if you like a somewhat good story,

That's an interesting perspective. Prepare to get bullied.

>>15029659

My fault, should have said somewhat good storys within sidequests and companions from time to time.

Talking about POE1 experience grindan, there were few mods fixing it:

Level Cap Increaser AND Killing EXP Multified

https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity/mods/123

For additional quality of life improvements:

Remove Class Restrictions and Easy Upgrades

https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity/mods/155

Improved Respec

https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity/mods/183

Those all are needed for the game to be less annoying clusterfuck in terms of leveling and managing your character progression.

>>15029626

>People who try to sell you on the idea that Baldurs Gate 1 is any better are blinded by nostalgia. None of your choices matter, the story forces you to be a generic RPG good guy and can be summarized by "kill bad guy because he wants power and is evil".

BG doesn't advertise itself as le ebin total freedumb game though.

>>15029626

>I also havent completed Baldurs Gate 2

Because you're a moron.

BG2 is far better than BG1 in every way and miles ahead of PoE

>>15029787

Right at the start of BG2 you get forced to accept Imoen as your companion, even if she died in your playthrough of BG1, and the game dosent allow you to not give a fuck about her.

Irenicus is a powerhungry evil guy.

The morality system is still fucked and pushes you towards being "good".

Multiple dialog "choices" that all end the same.

You are forced to complete side quests to level up.

Save scumming is still encouraged.

After having played through BG1, why should anyone willingly subject themselfs to the exact same shit again with this inflation of red flags?

>>15029472

just install the mods that does the same thing (but better and without the sjw tranny shit) as the beamdog piece of shit edition

https://www.gog.com/news/enhance_the_gameplay_in_your_edition_of_baldurs_gate_from_gogcom

>>15029436

Eat shit, shill

>>15029822

You're full of shit m80. You can straight up tell Imoen to fuck off within seconds of meeting her. You can even attack her and she runs off. You can tell her to fuck off and forget about her the moment you see her in Spellhold You're constantly given the option of replying as either trying to rescue a friend or hunting for a powerful mage with a further branch of I'm interested in the power he spoke about.

Irenicus is what happens when a nice guy falls hard for a whore, he's a neet that's fighting with the only weapon he's got - autism. He's also into little sisters and harems so he can't be all bad.

>The morality system is still fucked and pushes you towards being "good".

You're an utter dipshit that barely played two at all. I'm not even trying to put you down. BG1 did, 100%, push you into being good. The followers were better, the rewards greater and you almost never had the evil choice to begin with. BG2 provides you with fifty shades of neutral that work with either good or evil alignment PC but the objectively best single class henchmen are pure evil. Korgan, Edwin and Viconia respectively. You're also often rewarded for being evil, human skin armor, blackrazor, free stats.

>Multiple dialog "choices" that all end the same.

Like every cRPG ever.

>You are forced to complete side quests to level up.

It's called playing the game jackass. And if you're into leveling you'll hit the cap long before you exhaust all the side XP.

>>15030287

>You're constantly given the option of replying as either trying to rescue a friend or hunting for a powerful mage with a further branch of I'm interested in the power he spoke about

What about the option of not wanting to pursue the guy who tortured you for half a year? Or how do you explain Imoen being somehow alive if she did in imported save?

>You're also often rewarded for being evil, human skin armor, blackrazor, free stats.

Fine, lets say thats true.

>Like every cRPG ever.

Everyone eats shit so it cant be shit!

>It's called playing the game jackass

Do you know what the R in RPG stands for retard? You cant roleplay if you are forced to complete quests, just because the game demands it. The person you play as has zero fucking clue that doing some meaningless shit to a beggar across the street will make him stronger than killing monsters.

>You're full of shit m80

>1 out of 6 points is wrong so you are completely retarded

Fuck off

>>15030287

>The followers were better

>Kagain

>Viconia

>Edwin

>Not the best single class characters available

>>15030728

>Or how do you explain Imoen being somehow alive if she did in imported save?

This is shit that irritates me when game companies do this. In Dragon Age: Origins if you piss off Leliana enough to turn her against you, you fight her and decapitate her if you defeat her. Then you import your save into Dragon Age II and she's fucking alive again like nothing happened. It strikes me as supremely lazy to allow a main character to die, and then just go "lol not canon because we say so" in the next chapter.

>>15030752

Kagain is BG1 and is very meh compared to the two rangers or even the paladin. Hell, even Minsc or the stuttering elffag is probably superior frontliner. Korgan is a near perfect stat zerger, Edwin is alright with his ring and spell slot cheats in 1 but get amazing in 2 like all casters. Viconia is all round better, stats, race abilities and again, casters are much stronger.

>>15030728

Not everyone but notgoons in crpg threads? Definitely. You're a prime example actually.

>>15030766

The only reasonable explanation is some high tier magic. Necromancy, resurrection, simulacrums, divine seed shit related shit. Take the joke cat encounter in BG1 where some straight up underage kids constantly kill their cat only to resurrect it later.

>>15030784

>Kagain is BG1 and is very meh compared to the two rangers

Yea? You said BG1 pushes you towards being good, which generally precludes you from hiring the bad guys. Ranger is only OP because ranged weapons are king for most of the game in BG1.

>>15029808

That first pic is just fucking awful. It reads like something a twelve year old might think is funny and I can't help but insert an xD after every line because it just fits too well.

>but I le digress xD

>les candied nuts xD

>le not a trap xD

Disgusting.

>>15030792

>you almost never had the evil choice to begin with

And you really didn't. Aside from killing Drizzt I can't for the love of life name one really good example of going evil during a quest. Even going pro Umberlee in that one quest cheats you of permanent stats and subsequent quests if you did it "right". There's no Nashkel steel price gouging, there's no killing a silver dragon to steal her eggs and temper a suit in her blood. No double crossing paladins, no double crossing and wholesome slaughter of Harpers. No chance to run your evil church, thieves guild or tyrannical feudal lord fiefdom. No inner deamon to rip your enemies to shreds.

>Ranger is only OP

They also have almost fighter tier thac0 in BG1 tier level range and ruleset, also the few rangers you can find have really, really good stats for said range. Also for Montarion being one of the better evil chars he's very much outclassed by Coran. Arguably same for Kagain vs Yeslick. Shar-Tiel is a fighter with no HP, Safana thief with no DEX and Tiax or Eldoth are only good if even then, for their abilities.

>>15029436

all of those are garbage

>>15029626

>writes a whole tl;dr to say how BG is somehow worse than the absolute shitshow PoE 1 and 2 are

What's the equivalent of BSN, but for Obsidian cucks?

>>15030865

"People who try to sell you on the idea that Baldurs Gate 1 is any better are blinded by nostalgia"

Learn to read

>>15030799

All it's missing is a BAZINGA! at the end. This is what happens when you hire tumblr to write you a game.

>>15030884

But BG1 is better. It's not pretending to be a pretentious turd like PoE.

>>15030878

It wasn't "bad" when written by someone on the dev team itself, but just so you know, purple prose is not considered "good." You'd have two fucking paragraphs of very flowery writing meant to evoke the sense of "wow oh em gee this writer really knows how to use fancy words" when all they're doing is telling you someone sneezed or something.

On top of that the gameplay was painfully, agonizingly dull, bland, and boring. I'm no expert on game design, but Baldur's Gate was a hundred times better, even though it used generally the same combat system. Even Tyranny did its shit better, and that was made by the same people.

>>15030799

Not just that, the worst line bar none in that message is the

>so, this is me

NOBODY fucking says a line like that unless they're some sensitive metrosexual soyboy looking for approval for being vulnerable. That isn't how it's used in this context, but the point stands: no one uses that phrase except for SanFran progressives and their ilk. It's painful enough to read on its own, the rest of that message is irredeemable.

>>15031056

You're not wrong at all. It's that fucking contextualizing bullshit they pull where who is saying something is more important than what's being said. It might as well read

>It is I, Marxist von Jizzrag, pronouns xe, xir, xem, Lyrd of the Trannyscape, Primarch of the Cisquisition xD

>>15031105

Yeah that stuck out to me too. It detracts from the rest of the message and it doesn't read so much like a character being a blowhard so much as it sounds like a writer trying and failing to make a cool badass line for a shitty antagonist.

>>15029822

>Irenicus is a powerhungry evil guy.

So?

>Right at the start of BG2 you get forced to accept Imoen as your companion,

Plenty of RPGs do that. You don't have total freedom in CRPGS, never did, never will.

>and the game dosent allow you to not give a fuck about her.

Yes it does.

>You are forced to complete side quests to level up.

>Save scumming is still encouraged.

So like every RPG game ever?

Do you even have a proper point in that void between your ears?

>>15030728

>What about the option of not wanting to pursue the guy who tortured you for half a year?

What about ignoring the plot hooks?

Are you serious about this shit?

It's one of the things you have to roll with to have a story/adventure! What if Anakin decided to say on Tatooine and be a moisture farmer? You either follow the plot hook or YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

>>15030728

>Everyone eats shit so it cant be shit!

So every CRPG is shit? Why are you here then? Go suck cocks.

>Do you know what the R in RPG stands for retard? You cant roleplay if you are forced to complete quests, just because the game demands it.

You don't have to complete all the quest. Seriously, completing quests is a core part of RPG's. Seems to me like you're looking for something else. Probably cocks to suck.

ALL OF YOUR POINTS ARE WRONG.

>>15031056

Also, why does a pirate write like some random cunt on tumblr? I would expect a short and to the point message from such a character, not a turd in written form that is only missing a smiley and xoxo to reach peak cancer.

>>15031434

He's the idiot that claims, with a straight face, that the PoE games are better written than BG just because they try and reinvent the wheel. Just because BG runs on cliches doesn't make it a bad story, and certainly not for the time it was released in. Also, Irenicus is leagues better than the big bads in PoE.

>>15030894

>>15031473

>Irenicus is a powerhungry evil guy. So?

>Right at the start of BG2 you get forced to accept Imoen as your companion

>and the game dosent allow you to not give a fuck about her.

The point im making is that these are all massiv red flags. BG1 had a terrible story with almost zero choices on the part of the player, while beeing forced to play as a sterotypical good guy. So how exactly is it a promising start to start off with a "powerhungry evil guy", a companion that might have even died in your previous playthroughs (which you conveniently ignore), other "good" companions being locked aside you, instead of your actual companions with which you finished BG1, and then being forced by the main story to either save Imoen, or pursue Irenicus. Several areas within the game a locked and can only be accessed by conforming to either of these two motivations, instead of just saying "idk fuck off".

>So like every RPG game ever?

>Do you even have a proper point in that void between your ears?

First appeal to popularity and then call other people retarded? God you are so fucking retarded

>What about the option of not wanting to pursue the guy who tortured you for half a year?

How about you give your players more than to fucking "motivations" to choose from?

>Everyone eats shit so it cant be shit!

>So every CRPG is shit? Why are you here then? Go suck cocks.

Zero reading comprehension whatsoever. Stop embarrassing yourself faggot

>>15031494

>He's the idiot that claims, with a straight face, that the PoE games are better written than BG just because they try and reinvent the wheel

Where have i said that you absolute faggot? I said " None of your choices matter, the story forces you to be a generic RPG good guy and can be summarized by "kill bad guy because he wants power and is evil". Sidequests also follow this generic good guy formular and have to be completed just in order to gain XP (you also get less XP, gold, and items for quests if your "morality" is below 10 for no reason at all)"

Learn to fucking read jesus christ

>>15029436

BG is objectively superior to PoE

however, both games have terrible RTwP combat and you should play Goldbox Games, Darksun, and ToEE instead

>crazy hair colored nigger bitch on cover

0/10

>>15031572

You can be a stereotypical evil asshole in Baldur's Gate. Did you even play the game? Most side quests allow you to pick the evil choice, and you can get an evil ending in both games. Yes, the evil route is shit, but then again every route in PoE is shit, so what exactly is your point? Oh, wait, you don't have any.

>>15031572

>a companion that might have even died in your previous playthroughs

You keep going on about this point. BG predates the modern trend of having your choices carry over to the next game. You're not importing your save into BG2, you're just importing a character. BG2 doesn't sell itself a continuation of "your" story, it's just another game, and it follows the generic canon plot of the first game. Having a standalone story does not make it a bad game.

>being forced by the main story to either save Imoen, or pursue Irenicus

Are you seriously complaining that the game has a plot?

From what I can tell you're just upset that BG doesn't conform to the "muh personal story" idea that modern RPGs sell themselves on. These games aren't telling your story, they're just telling A story.

>>15031734

>You can be a stereotypical evil asshole in Baldur's Gate

Yes, but these "evil" options are always nothing more than being an asshole just for the sake of it. It also dosent rewards you as much, and in most cases, if you truly thought like the responses you give, then you wouldnt bother with most of these quests to begin with. So you can either play "good" or as an "asshole", whereas the latter dosent make any sense 90% of the time.

PoE1 gives you some choices from time to time, they usually dont have any effect, but at least sometimes they do, which is just better than BG1 in that regard.

>>15033532

>a companion that might have even died in your previous playthroughs

>You keep going on about this point. BG predates the modern trend of having your choices carry over to the next game.

But it dosent? I just showed you how it dosent.

>Are you seriously complaining that the game has a plot?

Im saying the game dosent give the character you play as enough choices and motivations to choose from, as well as restricting your playthrough until you confirm to them, for no reason at all.

>From what I can tell you're just upset that BG doesn't conform to the "muh personal story" idea that modern RPGs sell themselves on. These games aren't telling your story, they're just telling A story.

If they are just telling "a story" then why do they give you multiple dialog choices all the time (who all end the same)? BG1&2 tried to make it an RPG and failed when it comes to narrative choices.

>>15034054

For someone trying so hard you really should learn basic English. dosent=/=doesn't. And no, I'm not going to argue with someone lying his ass off. More so if the lies are so low effort, such generalized bullshit and so dime a dozen kindergarten tier sophistry that it reeks of cheap bait.

You haven't given a single. Single. Solid example of anything from either game, what's more you're extrapolating bullshit built on bullshit and are posturing like it's some god given fact.