d92535 No.15024461
Just got finished playing Pocky and Rocky and came to a realization… I like shmups. Could we get a shmup thread going? I'd like to know the must plays as well as what I should play next.
34900d No.15024484
that's a run and gun game, but play cotton fantastic night dreams on the turbo cd, then play cotton 2 and then play cotton boomerang.
d92535 No.15024513
>>15024484
ah gotcha, it felt so similar to a shmup I just figured it was part of that genre. Only other game I played to compare it to was Muchi Muchi Pork, though at the time it really wasn't for the gameplay. Hopefully that won't derail the thread too much.
and that looks pretty good
34900d No.15024521
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>>15024513
there's a successor by the original team called heavenly guardian on ps2 and wii. There's also other similar games like Ikari Warriors and Twinkle Tale.
The Cotton games are good and have god tier music.
d92535 No.15024532
>>15024521
Damn, that is good. Got sort of a jazzy rock vibe to it.
a4dc63 No.15024533
Play dodonpachi and strikers 1945 plus. Some of the best in the genre.
d276a6 No.15024555
>>15024461
Garbage genre, but Jamestown is one standout title that I actually enjoyed.
3ed510 No.15024564
>>15024461
If you liked Pocky & Rocky, play Twinkle Tale on Mega Drive. It was developed by a team featuring the main guy behind Dark Souls.
34900d No.15024574
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>>15024532
if it's not jazzy rock/metal it's excellent samples and synth in Cotton
>>15024564
>It was developed by a team featuring the main guy behind Dark Souls.
I've never heard this before, is it in the games credits?
845014 No.15024597
>>15024484
Can you give me a crash course on the borders of each genre, anon? I would never call MS3 a shmup, but calling everything an STG instead seems too vague. Is Afterburner a shmup, or are there rigid rules on the game's perspective?
1fd3c4 No.15024634
>>15024564
>>15024574
>It was developed by a team featuring the main guy behind Dark Souls.
Citation needed.
I looked up Hidetaka Miyazaki and Twinkle Tale's credits here. https://www.mobygames.com/game/twinkle-tale
Nothing Dark Souls related.
34900d No.15024635
>>15024597
pocky & rocky = top down run & gun (ikari warriors, commando, jackal, twinkle tale)
Metal Slug, Contra and In the Hunt = horizontal run & gun
cotton & thunderforce = horizontal shooting game (or shmup)
1942 & Ikaruga = vertical shooting game
panzer dragoon, starfox, afterburner = rail shooter
virtua cop & house of the dead = light gun rail shooter
the nice thing about arcade game genres is they all describe the way they play and how they're designed as opposed to more contemporary nebulous genres like "spectacle fighter" or "stylish action game."
34900d No.15024649
>>15024634
Takeshi Kajii was a producer on demon's souls and he worked on twinkle tale as a level designer.
1fd3c4 No.15024674
>>15024649
Well shit. He wasn't the main guy though.
>Producer of WCW/nWo Revenge
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT
845014 No.15024787
>>15024635
Thanks anon, have some pamphlet scans for your trouble.
34900d No.15024798
>>15024674
All the best wrestling games are made by Japanese people. Just look at the def jam games, made by Japanese.
>>15024787
Cool, here's some rare vintage Cottons
a192d0 No.15024802
Shmups are one of the purest vidya genres
d92535 No.15025144
>>15024533
It'll be nice to actually use the neo-geo emulator
>>15024555
can't ignore those trips, I like the look of that one.
>>15024564
>>15024649
That's pretty neat, downloading now.
3ed510 No.15025170
>>15024574
>>15024634
My bad. This anon >>15024649 got the correct info.
2382e5 No.15025185
http://shmupemall.com/interviews/interview-noaki-horii-president-de-m2-17853.html
>Ninja Soldier sera un jeu original. Est-ce que d’autres shoot’em up originaux sont à venir, notamment sur console ?
>Naoki Horii : Hiroshi Iuchi (ndlr : créateur de Radiant Silvergun et Ikaruga, actuellement employé chez M2) est en train d’en faire un !
mon dieu
199b35 No.15025334
contribootin.
pic related is armed police batrider looks really cool but is hard as fuck, and have quite a big selection of ships
9a0e54 No.15025552
>>15025334
Really hope M2 visits it like they did Battle Garrega.
190fe4 No.15025870
>>15024461
I know this isn't classic shmup or anything… but I really enjoyed this game. I thought it was cute and fun (and tough). It's free also.
626376 No.15025898
Download the SEGA CD library and you'll find a good deal of solid shmups.
d2b695 No.15025909
>>15025898
You'd be better off just downloading the shumps instead of all of it, including the bad multimedia and fmv games.
626376 No.15025924
What system would you say has the richest shmup library?
>>15025909
You're right I'm just too lazy to list off all the shmups so I said fuck it get em all and figure it out. FMV is absolute trash.
a004e0 No.15026016
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Any of you guys tried Steredenn? i think its a nice game, its a bit lacking in some areas but i ve been having lots of fun.
Stereden is basically a mixed shmup and roguelike, i would use a better word to describe the last it but i know none.
5d1a8f No.15026040
>picked up fantasy zone thinkgen its casul game because of the graphics
>its filled with almost-rng patterns and bullshit fucking bosses (mostly the snow men, holy shit), retard rank that scales with powerup
I JUST WANTED A FUN CASUAL SHOOT EM UP
c7b9d6 No.15026084
>no mentions of Gradius or R-Type
is it summer already?
a004e0 No.15026088
>>15026084
>go to fighting game thread
>no mention of Street Fighter 2
it surely is
9a0e54 No.15026099
>>15026040
YOU WALKED INTO THE WRONG ZONE MOTHERFUCKER.
d2b695 No.15026179
>>15026040
>casual shmump
Fantasy Zone is fun though.
fae0bd No.15026237
>>15026040
fantasy zone is for badasses, if you wanted something easy going get trouble witches origin or even magical chase. welcome to the fantasy zone motherfucker.
>>15026016
I'll be honest it looks kinda bad. I'm not fond of its visuals which appear to be at odds with itself nor its music or sound design which seems all over the place.
>>15025924
>What system would you say has the richest shmup library?
sega saturn without a doubt. Thunder Force 1-5, Cotton 2 and boomerang, Radiant Silvergun, shit I think you could fill an entire bookshelf with just japanese only saturn shooters.
045015 No.15026247
Mamorukun Curse! is Pocky & Rocky but more shmup-like and on steroids
8b4f03 No.15026469
I've always been fond of RayStorm on the PS1. It got an HD remake with added ships, but I think it was only on the XBLA.
If you're really new to SHMUPs in general and are looking for big titles, ignore everything in this entire thread until you've played Einhander. It's from when SquareSoft tried new and interesting things instead of just JRPGs.
8b4f03 No.15026479
Almost forgot. Honorable mention: Gunstar Heroes is a run and gun like a more anime Contra but comes out of nowhere in the endgame with a SHMUP level that's better than most actual SHMUPs. Icing on the cake: couch co-op.
a004e0 No.15026482
>>15026237
I don't play Stereden for the art either but i got it on a bundle and decided to try it
16b309 No.15027390
>>15024635
>panzer dragoon, starfox, afterburner = rail shooter
Enough of this idiocy, you have more freedom of movement in Star Fox than you do in most 2D scrollers, it's not a "rail shooter" at all.
16b309 No.15027437
>>15024521
>a successor by the original team called heavenly guardian
It's not by the original team at all. Starfish was contracted out to make a new Pocky & Rocky/Kiki Kaikai game but the deal fell through at some point. They decided to just reskin some things and change the name and release it anyway. Although it plays superficially similar to a Pocky & Rocky game, I don't think Starfish really understood arcade design at all. The game is not very difficult and it's incredibly long to try and play like an arcade shooter.
7c4e85 No.15027679
>>15024461
I would recommend a game similar to Pocky and Rocky
Shock Troopers. the 1st is considered the best and the 2nd is regarded as the lesser game still can enjoy it though
I would also recommend Cybattler as well
>>15025334
Favorite shmup of all time. Never loved the death system but the style this game has is 11/10
>>15026179
>casual shmump
yeah there are shmups easier than others but like fighting games, they're ready to bust your balls in.
34900d No.15027694
>>15027390
A three-dee schmulp, got it.
nah, rail shooter, go away.
16b309 No.15027704
>>15027694
Nah, you're retarded, go away. Actual rail shooters like Rez play fundamentally differently from 3D shmups.
626376 No.15027724
>>15026040
Fantasy Zone is not for the faint of heart
34900d No.15027787
>>15027704
yeah, jumping flash isn't a 3D platformer like mario 64, it's a first person three dimensional jushmp game.
d92535 No.15033325
any more shmups involving yokai by any chance?
34900d No.15033329
>>15033325
heavenly guardian
16b309 No.15033457
5d1a8f No.15033467
>>15033346
what makes touhou appealing?
2d7c36 No.15033490
>>15033467
The over hundreds of fan games made by pure nip autism. With many of them being far better then they should be.
and Waifus
b00bdb No.15033513
I'm making my way through 1cc'ing all Touhou games starting with 6, and I'm wondering if anyone else noticed that the games have gotten a lot harder starting with Subterranean Animism. Holy shit I have trouble on Stage 3, let alone stage 4, 5 and 6. I've 1 cc'd all games before it except the ones before Mystic Square, mind you.
61eb13 No.15033533
>>15033346
I like the gimmick ones, like fairy wars ice mechanic, and shoot the bullet camera.
16b309 No.15033537
>>15033513
Someone once told me Embodiment of Scarlett Devil was the hardest Touhou and as a test I beat it in two days. I was not impressed.
b00bdb No.15033543
>>15033537
lemme suck your cock dude
47b558 No.15033577
>>15033513
I don't think it was difficulty that changed, the bullet patterns started getting all weird and had little to no focus on weaving through elegant patterns and more about dumb shit like baiting the boss into a corner.
d92535 No.15040071
>>15033346
>>15033490
which games let you play as the ara fox?
d92535 No.15047537
>>15040071
wew looks like it may have been a questionable time to get into the games >>15046900
d92535 No.15047567
also, is Dariusburst Chronicle Saviors worth 20 bucks? It also has a shit ton of DLC, is any of it worth getting?
c307a9 No.15047631
>>15047567
Just pirate the game, you knob head.
d92535 No.15047637
>>15047631
all the torrents I could find for it looked SUPER shadey, otherwise I would.
1d3316 No.15047651
>>15047637
Have you never torrented a game before? Just look at the file contents.
95ec0a No.15047663
>shoot em up
>even though most of the time you shoot them down
almost as bad as "metroidvania"? you decide.
2382e5 No.15048365
>>15047567
>is DBCS worth getting for twenty bucks
oh yes, it's got a lot of content to sift through
>DLC ships give you a different ship with its own playstyle and arranged tunes to play it with on existing stages
pick whatever suits you
16b309 No.15049532
>>15047567
Don't bother, it's a shitty Darius game and they crapped on the PC port with DRM.
16b309 No.15050014
>>15047663
Actually they're known as STDs (short for ShooT Dems).
b760c1 No.15050524
>>15050014
Now matter how hard you push this shitty meme, it won't ever catch on.
775286 No.15050699
>>15050014
What are some shmups where I can shoot democrats?
d92535 No.15050951
>>15033325
>>15033329
I could have sworn there were a few on mame I'm forgetting the name of..
37174a No.15051058
>>15050014
do they also spread via genital intercourse?
5d1a8f No.15055882
is it a viable strategy to:
>dont die until final stage and the final boss
>bomb as much as possible, even if you could dodge it with skill
>then survive like hell with 0 bombs
>die; get 3 bombs back
>repeat until you're dead or the boss is dead
58fa2c No.15059754
>>15055882
>using crutches like bombs
git gud lad
d92535 No.15059974
is Strania - The Stella Machina - any good?
e804f2 No.15060006
>>15055882
That's the easiest way to get a 1cc but it just feels empty. As >>15059754 said, bombs are crutches.
91713a No.15069833
2382e5 No.15070000
>>15059974
It's seriously good. It's about managing and switching weapons on the fly and figuring out which works best, which is further encouraged by the scoring system which levels up the score rank of a weapon if you kill enough with that weapon, but the crux is to max out the score ranks of as many weapons as possible for the highest bonuses and most extends. You also get an Overdrive ability which temporarily turns you invincible and gives you an additional score multiplier which increases the closer Overdrive is about to run out.
The stage design is pretty good and damn varied on the whole, some levels you're on an escort missions, some missions enemies keep coming from behind, and in others they're just coming from every direction. The Side and Reflect end up being some of the more useful weapons because of this. The game is about 5 stages long, but there's actually another campaign of 5 stages where you play as the pilot from the enemy side complete with its own new stages and bosses, with the final boss being the guy you pilot in the other campaign.
2e779a No.15070087
good game
dialog is quite cheesy though
5467be No.15070148
Death Smiles is a cool Horizontal SHMUP.
>>15070087
And the voice acting leaves much to be desired….kinda easy too.
60a6f7 No.15070783
>>15024484
I just realised I don't know a thing about PC Engine emulation. What do I use for this shit?
474173 No.15072239
>>15070783
Mednafen. Best for many things, especially PC Engine, but no GUI. Drag the game file to the exe to start it. Press F1 for help so you can see the hotkeys for configuring controls and other things.
d92535 No.15072272
>>15070000
fucking sold, and nice quads.