b2f740 No.15006812
Currently, I'm taking a college course on 3d modeling (contrary to what those in agdg say, I'm actually learning a hell of a lot). Anyways, my instructor has made character models for a couple of 3d animated movies now. Most notably, the dead father and villains in The Book of Life. A movie whose director (Jorge Gutierrez) is obviously a pozzed lefty that's big on "diversity" and feminism. Anyways, in one my classes, my instructor said that perfect 3d models are kinda boring and sterile (by perfect, I mean characters who are 10/10 beautiful or handsome; aiming for "ideal" looking characters). He then made the throwaway comment that adding "imperfections" (playing around with a 3d model and making it slightly more asymmetrical, slightly more off in certain areas, etc) gave models a sense of realism and believability.
It was that comment that gave me deja vu for some reason. I'm pretty sure that somewhere before, I heard Bioware or Bethesda (can't remember which one) say something very similar along those lines. That the reason why Bioware/Bethesda intentionally makes their 3d models look somewhat ugly on purpose was to make them look more "realistic" and believable. That by adding all of these tiny imperfections (never truly making their women look 10/10 beautiful; always making them slightly ugly in certain areas), they hope that players would eventually grow to love all their imperfections as well.
I generally reject this "more ugliness = realism" mindset myself. I don't mind characters with minor imperfections like FF15's Cindy Aurum (her skin has minor blemishes upon closer inspection, but she could still easily pass off as supermodel), so long as their overall appearance is still relatively pleasing to the eyes.
But when they've been shrekified with too many imperfections like Bioware/Bethesda characters or that new DMC5 girl, it just disgusts me to look at them.
c2b8b5 No.15006817
Imperfections are natural. A perfect looking realistic human model would be in the uncanny valley or at least cartoonish.
Thing is: Western devs use imperfect characters because their aim is to destroy beauty, not to enhance realism. There ARE very good looking humans. Some people DO look better than others. This inequality is anathema to the leftist mindset, so it must be expunged.
26c3e4 No.15006821
Left one is some fucking la creatura that should be killed with fire.
But what imperfections the right girl is implied to have?
ee062e No.15006829
What are you talking about anon the woman in the first image is ideal jewish female
she's been confirmed as jewish
c2b8b5 No.15006831
>>15006829
>“You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves: I am the Lord” (Leviticus 19:28).
2cf838 No.15006838
>>15006812
Hey honey! looks exactly like a tranny I know so that's a huge imperfection.
753824 No.15006846
>>15006829
>she's been confirmed as jewish
source
494a80 No.15006861
Art should not imitate life.
If I wanted to see ugly whores Id finally open my window and look outside it.
9b0184 No.15006864
>>15006829
>she's been confirmed as jewish
Because of her grandma's last name? I'm not so sure the Japanese realize what is a jewish last name and what's not. Hell, I didn't know until a couple of years ago. It's just not something you necessarily come across if there aren't a lot of jews in your country.
e19ac1 No.15006869
>>15006812
>players would eventually grow to love all their imperfections as well.
they can wait until the end of time, objectively ugly is disgusting, and that DMC5 'girl' should the the first boss to kill
7b8d26 No.15006874
>>15006821
>But what imperfections the right girl is implied to have?
Her face looks pretty damn weird in that shot. Asian-like eyes on a white girl, weird mouth shape. Cheekbones look off to give her an overly 'soft' look.
The only thing to distract you from it are her tits hanging out.
I'm pretty sure that chick from DMC5 is supposed to be "ugly". Tattoos plastered everywhere, cigarette in hand, overall dirty look, lives in a bloody trailer. She's supposed to embody a trash look. I don't think it's the same as Bioware's "Ugly for ugly's sake.". It's part of her character.
Had you taken the shot of her in-game model I'm sure there'd be other, non-character related imperfections that have to do with the model itself. It's kind of an unfair comparison to use concept art for one, and in-game model for the other.
697308 No.15006899
>>15006874
Well, let's look at Cidney Aurum from a different perspective.
690ea5 No.15006904
They need to fucking get rid of all these old hags.
Disgusting fucking old hag scum made by disgusting fatty whores in gaming.
b34293 No.15006914
The only reason I would ever like imperfections on a character model is if I liked a girl who shared those imperfections enough to be more favorable toward the imperfections themselves. The only girl I like is perfect, so imperfections go straight in the trash.
e0745a No.15006917
It completely depends on who designed the character. Men will put imperfections into their character models to enhance them, tapping in to a kind of moe. Women will put imperfections into their character models out of spite and malice, to taint them.
7b8d26 No.15006920
>>15006874
To answer your question though
>How do you feel about imperfections on 3d character models?
I think your instructor is right. Creating a perfect model once might be fine, but if you set out to do so for every model you're putting in a game you're inevitably going to run into same-face syndrome on top of them looking boring. Imperfections =/= ugly, it's all about how you apply it.
>>15006861
>Art should not imitate life.
That's retarded and you know it.
>>15006899
Much better.
8cbfd2 No.15006941
>>15006812
>I heard Bioware or Bethesda (can't remember which one) say something very similar along those lines. That the reason why Bioware/Bethesda intentionally makes their 3d models look somewhat ugly on purpose was to make them look more "realistic" and believable. That by adding all of these tiny imperfections (never truly making their women look 10/10 beautiful; always making them slightly ugly in certain areas), they hope that players would eventually grow to love all their imperfections as well.
That was Bioware. The whole thing about making 3D models as ugly as possible is disgusting, they don't understand that video games' main point is escapism, not "muh sad boring life".
697308 No.15006947
>>15006941
Ubisoft and EA are guilty of these crimes as well.
a002bd No.15006969
>>15006812
>That by adding all of these tiny imperfections (never truly making their women look 10/10 beautiful; always making them slightly ugly in certain areas), they hope that players would eventually grow to love all their imperfections as well.
This could work if the writing wasn't complete garbage and the ugly characters weren't just ugly on the outside but on the inside as well. The problem with these companies is that their writers self insert so these characters end up feeling shallow, selfish or bland and boring and ultimately annoying.
164294 No.15006974
>>15006861
Art should do whatever it wants to do anon. Though, if you object to pig women in video games, then be my guest. Imitation of life is usually pretty great since the outside world is a lot prettier then you may think. Here are a few nice photos of art which aren't trying to be perfect.
76e27e No.15006986
>>15006974
>aren't trying to be perfect.
No, they're trying to be good.
164294 No.15006989
>>15006986
Yes, but the figures in them aren't necessarily 10/10's either, much like the models a lot of people are making a fuss over.
b34293 No.15007001
>>15006986
Nice distinction, but I'd say they're aspiring to beauty while intentionally making imperfect models is aspiring to ugliness. It's like comparing making the statue of David from a slab of stone to the act of chiseling away at the Statue of David to make it look more "realistic".
35aaf9 No.15007038
>>15007001
Or, how about, we consider the radical notion that asians have different preferences for designing races that aren't their own? Ever hear the expression "why do white guys only get with ugly asian girls"? They all look the same to us, how can we judge accurately what little imperfections (as the name implies; miniscule detail) do or don't make a face? Same applies here but on the opposite side, what might be ugly to us is cute to them, like the "crooked teeth" trend they had in Japan a while back. Never mind the fact that there are no hot girls in DMC anyway, Trish had a horseface - the only reason why she wasn't ugly is because she's got straight plain, nonintrustive features. Yet when we move on to lady she looks all fucking wonky and "off" for the same fact because her eyes are too massive and anime like compared to Trish, her design more "cartoonish". I don't even need to say anything about Lucia, some nig with bright red hair omg so hot. DMC never had 10/10 girls, go play a sex game if you want it so bad.
5f7436 No.15007039
>>15006812
This philosophy is utterly wrong, and it's a shit that is not only in drawing or modeling, but also in writing, photography and well, any art.
Realism IS NOT BETTER. Never. What you should aim is for Suspension of disbelief or Uncanny Valley in your medium. A perfect attractive person with no mistakes is STILL BELIEVABLE as long as you don't break that Suspension of disbelief with some other random shit, in fact, ugly people tend to break that suspension easier because your brain is made to LOOK OUT FOR ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE instead of ugly people, so being forced to look for ugly people and try to connect with them is HARDER than with beautiful people.
It is a fact that people react better to other people who are handsome, it is the reason why businessmen wear suits and take great care of their image, that's why putting a cute lady selling something will give better results than an ugly one. Even if the ugly is incredibly likeable by other means like conversation or intelligence, beauty always creates a immediate connection with the watcher/reader/whatever because you brain WANTS to connect with them, while an ugly person will always make that complicated (although not impossible).
This is the reason why you see so much fanart and people in literal love with japanese characters of all kind even if they are the most annoying fucking stupid and plain piece of shit, while nobody gives A SHIT about the fucking ugly Bioware characters except for the fucking lesbians at tumblr and only because of their politics, they don't really even like them at all.
Money talks bigger than words, and if you follow the money and human history you will notice how what I say is true, there are shit ton of studies that corroborate the power of beauty on people. You teacher is a fucking asshole that is just parroting the marxist shitty propaganda that makes him look like "a good person" because "everyone is the same and beauty is relative so I love everyone" while in reality I'm 100% sure he breaks that rule every single fucking time and just like any other human he gives priority to beautiful people over ugly ones. And yes, there are shit ton of proved biological facts that help to define beauty so it's not relative, only partially relative.
a27cb2 No.15007049
>>15006812
He's correct. Harmony in design is always perceived as sterile or boring, faces are no exception. Aside from maybe south koreans who got plastic surgery, there aren't any naturally occuring people that have perfectly symmetrical faces. >>15006920 is right about same-face syndrome too, you just have to take a look at artists like Legoman.
Valve's design guide for Dota 2 back when they actually stuck to it actually had a page on this. Generally modelers start by mirroring a half of a characters face, but then shift certain features, like their hair, beard, smile, adding moles etc. It makes a character much more interesting to look at because it breaks symmetry.
I don't think this design principle should be ignored because of what EA and Ubisoft are doing though. They're not designing characters with imperfections, they're making characters who are straight up ugly and not interesting to look at.
697308 No.15007051
With regards to this topic, I suggest you people Stephen Hick's "Why Art Became Ugly" which explains on why major western video game studios suddenly uses "realism" as an excuse to make their female models uglier.
https://archive.fo/GHYhr
86969d No.15007057
>>15006817
I think it's a matter of perspective as well. If realism is what someone considers perfect then Nico would be nearer to that ideal but if the person considers peak aesthetics perfection then Cidney would be much closer to that.
164294 No.15007072
>>15007001
I suppose that makes sense. However, David is actually supposed to look perfect. The images I presented are designed not to.
Nico is designed NOT to look like a solid 10/10 and her character reflects that in the way she acts. I can understand why people are upset by this and the fact that companies are only doing this now just feels like a ham-fisted way of appealing to ugly women to play their games. The only thing I don't necessarily agree with is the notion that ugly characters don't belong in these kinds of roles.
I by no means think the ugly-fication of all female/male models is a good thing however. In some settings I think it's fine, though, by favouring realism, I feel as if corporations are starting to lose sight of the fact that they're creating fantastical stories to begin with.
b973db No.15007093
697308 No.15007110
Let's bring up another examples on how different the perspectives are of the west and westaboos in general vs. Nip. Ancient Greek depiction of beauty vs. post-modern Western interpretation of beauty. What do you think?!
3d16a7 No.15007127
>>15007039
There's a tranny in the "definitely attractive" category.
690ea5 No.15007134
>>15007110
I prefer OP girl than girl on left. I also think many games are perfectly justified in having characters that weird, odd, unlikeable, etc… Not every game has to appeal to retarded manchildren weebs
Who even cares about this shit?
>omg elbows too pointy 2/10 fucking SJWs!!!
You deserve mockery.
164294 No.15007162
>>15007152
>>15007127
you knew this would happen you mother fucker
494a80 No.15007164
>>15007110
But anon, attractive characters are boring.
>>15007134
>characters that are weird, odd, unlikeable, etc
None of those imply they need to be ugly.
>You deserve mockery
If anyone deserves mockery it's people who delude themselves into thinking western games have ugly as sin women in it because of anything but ideological reasons.
690ea5 No.15007168
>>15007164
>None of those imply they need to be ugly.
Jesus. Fuck off, retard.
121237 No.15007170
>>15007162
Nice Jew gun, faggot.
494a80 No.15007177
>>15007168
Do you enjoy ugliness? Do you have ugliness saved on your hard-drive?
06dfa0 No.15007192
An imperfection doesn't mean a flaw or a fault or being ugly, it simply means avoiding symmetry, because symmetry is sterile and stiff.
06dfa0 No.15007222
>>15007192
It can be as much as Quasimodo-ing their face like a Bioware character or just having an eye patch, a hairline parted on the side like Leon, or something like that. It's nothing big.
The more high definition we're talking the more perfections become noticeable too, but there's also more room for smaller blemishes to create some "flaws" just to break up the monotony. That's really it, it's not about making shit look like trash like >>15007110 , that's just called being a fucking garbage artist.
2bc998 No.15007225
>>15006812
>He then made the throwaway comment that adding "imperfections" (playing around with a 3d model and making it slightly more asymmetrical, slightly more off in certain areas, etc) gave models a sense of realism and believability.
I remember a similar sentiment was shared by the id develoeprs back when they were making Rage. There was a girl in the starting area, can't remember her name, she teaches you to use the boomerang thing, and they made her slightly asymmetrical and imperfect in order to make her seem more real, even though she was rendered somewhat cartoonishly, and she was a fucking cutie.
I think minor imperfections (like dimples, and freckles) can really add some character to a face and make them fucking beautiful, but making Bioware tier shit is not art, it's simply smearing shit on a canvas and pretending with the post-modernists that you're in with the cool kids.
>>15006831
It also says not to eat shrimp or ham, use an indoor toilet, or wear cotton-polyester shirts.
Nobody follows that shit seriously.
ff2135 No.15007234
>>15006812
Cindy is a cute anime girl. But DMC 5 looks to move away from the anime-esque aesthetics to look a bit more real. That new bitch looks too 3DPD.
f2b399 No.15007235
>>15007039
>you should aim for uncanny valley
lmao
5f7436 No.15007240
>>15007235
It was a typo obviously, "aim to avoid"
Good autism anon.
117a18 No.15007253
>>15007234
Cindy is made to appeal, the DMC5 munter is made to disgust.
d315c8 No.15007259
Yes, that's exactly why I play games. To see more of the same ugliness I see in every day life. No no no, there's no way I play video games in the hopes of being presented with new and interesting fantastical experiences and meet equally fantastical people who may also be smoking hot and cute too.
06dfa0 No.15007271
>>15007222
You can also use perfections to your advantage to make a character seem more stiff and rigid as well. Art is art mang. You shouldn't treat it as something that's solvable.
>>15006812
1b06ce No.15007273
There's always room for diversity of character design. And what that doesn't mean is making everything the same.
How about we have a game with a whole range of character designs. We could call it Street Fighter. There can be herculean supermen, and flawlessly beautiful woman, but there can also be some fatfuck Amerilard and some weird green troll monster on the side.
Could we do that? Variety? No? Everyone's just ugly now? Everyone's just a normal fucking ugly person and not even a cool monster now?
Okay, forget I said anything.
117a18 No.15007285
>>15007259
>To see more of the same ugliness I see in every day life
You bigot! Everyone knows that no woman out there exists that is as good looking as Cindy. You should stop propagating these misogynist and unrealistic beauty standards and understand what a real woman is all about.
139fbd No.15007304
>>15006812
I'll always love my tattoed freckled rabbit. No matter what you guys say.
In a random note, Nico looks like Anna Popplewell, aka Narnia kid.
832bf4 No.15007307
>>15006812
Reminds me of the shitty Final Fantasy film.
2b151e No.15007322
>>15006864
Anon she looks 100% jewish.
1b06ce No.15007332
For a franchise like DMC, I don't think such a design has any place. I don't want real people in DMC. Characters should be flawlessly attractive, or "anime ugly". Look at Enzo from bayonetta. That's a design that belongs in this kind of universe. He's less attractive, but he's not just some guy, he's an anime character.
f2b399 No.15007348
>>15007240
That's a huge fucking typo you retard; it ends up pushing the exact opposite of the message you actually wanted to
Learn to type before making walls of text
783aab No.15007352
>>15006812
a woman can have imperfections and still be attractive
>>15007038
>Ever hear the expression "why do white guys only get with ugly asian girls"?
no, but as the fact is only ugly white guys get with asian girls that are probably trash
>They all look the same to us, how can we judge accurately what little imperfections
yeah no, unless you're gay you can still tell an attractive asian from an ugly asian
1b06ce No.15007356
>>15007352
>the same woman with and without makeup+photoshop
783aab No.15007364
>>15007356
she's clearly attractive underneath the makeup with strong features indicating genetic strength unlike pic 2 which is a genetically inferior abomination
1b06ce No.15007368
>>15007364
That image is shopped to hell. There's no way of actually knowing.
246ac6 No.15007374
We're probably going to be having threads like this till the end of time since it DMC but Nico is a trashy looking fuck with no tits, overbite like nigel thornberry, and a nose ridge that makes you want to spin dredels. On a normal day nico is a 7/10, but compared to the other DMC chicks she looks like a -1/10. Also she came in with quips and jokes that weren't funny, right off the bat she irritates me.
>>15007304
If nico looked like her then there would be less problem about her design. She looks good while nico does not.
>>15007332
-He's a comic relief character
- you barely see him in the game so what he does and says really doesn't matter. Nico is in the trailer a whole lot, even more than Dante.
- a character that started with the series so there can be room for mafia midgets and brickshit bixnoods. In a game where there's been 10/10 babes and you shove in a trashy chick of course that leads to a bad impression.
>>15007352
>>15007364
Where did you find the pictures and we would need to see a natural picture of pic 1 with no make up and photoshop to get real proof
06dfa0 No.15007380
>>15007304
No she looks like pic related with jew hair.
783aab No.15007383
>>15007374
google, here's another pic
0bcdb8 No.15007388
>>15007039
>definitely attractive, no defects
>its just random roasties with lots of makeup on/obvious heavy use of hair products
they're like a 6 at best, probably have average bodies too
1b06ce No.15007391
>>15007374
Well, if she's the girl of the game she should be more attractive, and if she's goofy comic relief she should look funnier. The last thing DMC wants is people who just look normal. I don't like this about Nero either. he has a slightly elaborate jacket, and otherwise looks like just some guy you could see on the street. I want the crazy anime outfits.
76c024 No.15007394
>>15007001
HD remaster of David when? It's just not pleasing to look at anymore.
06dfa0 No.15007421
>>15007391
How can you look at this and call Nero generic?
783aab No.15007433
>>15007421
he looks gay which in modern times translates to generic
ee0faa No.15007439
>>15007380
She's a quadroon or more. In any case she's a mulatto slowly turning white again by mulattoes having children with whites
f79569 No.15007453
>>15006812
You're exactly right. But more importantly, your professor is using this argument to further political agendas by pushing it too far, as your entire point with this post indicates. The whole point of fiction is to create something people want, something that attracts people. Only a very small subset of people find brown smelly librarians more attractive than busty blonde mechanics, and for me is enough of a turn off to have no interest in DMC5 until its release, and gameplay, are shown off, as clearly they don't care to get people who have the slightest taste in as-objective-as-possible good aesthetics interested in their work. It is an attempt to change minds, change culture, and make not necessarily you, but the next generation, or your kids, or your easily-brainwashed acquaintances think whatever that thing on the left is, is what is supposed to be attractive.
8e68e1 No.15007475
>>15007380
>my engineer can't possibly be this smug
1b06ce No.15007493
>>15007476
>appealing to male fantasies
God forbid. Good thing they're fixing that shit. Appealing to your prime audience, lol. What a shit idea.
117a18 No.15007496
>>15007476
Jesus Christ, that fucking voice. It's like she swallowed a dozen chimneys.
2b151e No.15007497
11a2f4 No.15007506
I don't like SJW shit
DMC5 looks like trash
literally white trash woman and some literally who kid with muh bionic arm
ff2135 No.15007507
>>15007497
Your new waifu.
06dfa0 No.15007511
>>15007497
It's Nico and her model.
c5d641 No.15007524
d31392 No.15007529
>>15007225
>It also says not to eat shrimp or ham, use an indoor toilet, or wear cotton-polyester shirts.
>Nobody follows that shit seriously.
That's because Levitical Law was overturned with the sacrifice of Christ. These were things that the Lord forbade for Jews, who were God's chosen people back when Moses was still alive and kicking. Some time later, everyone who would accept Christ would become the chosen people. The idea annoys Jews, because it takes away their special snowflake status.
I guess generations of finding exceptions to the rules will eventually even annoy God.
fda864 No.15007591
I like cute girls that don't look like dirty whores personally, but ugly characters can still be made if that is who the character is supposed to be. Staying away from perfection entirely in a fictional setting just because it is unrealistic is dumb to me. It's a fantasy, so why can't every girl look like a perfect qt princess? You can have her wield giant weapons and be a bitch while still looking cute and petite if you want, it's not reality. I don't think realism should be a concern outside of simulation games. Things should more make sense within the game world, not necessarily our world.
f289c3 No.15007597
>>15006904
Agreed. Westerners love things uglier and older. Hurrdur why some shota going in an adventure. Where is my old hags like muh best game eva the witcher. Hopefully I will live to the day where the aoc concept will be abolished and feminists will btfo.
06dfa0 No.15007609
>>15007597
Geralt is pretty anime tbh
ea3f94 No.15007631
>>15007597
> Where is my old hags like muh best game eva the witcher
What does he mean by this? you only want lolis or what?
f289c3 No.15007642
>>15007631
I don't mind both. It's just westerners can't make attractive art. Cidney from FFXV and before they fucked luna art. Also some of the dropped art were great.
bde0ef No.15007649
139fbd No.15007662
>>15007492
The english dub in the trailer is hideous, I think that's why people hates this cutie.
832bf4 No.15007666
>>15007662
I really hate tattoos and black nails.
f39eb3 No.15007674
>>15006812
Plenty of women don't have penises. I get used to it.
f289c3 No.15007679
>>15007631
No way I'd like these designs. I don't have grandma fetish.
a9dfe3 No.15007684
>>15007597
>Westerners love things uglier and older
Only the male characters, though. Nobody sane really wants old hags anywhere, devs just compromise because of SJW shit.
And even with the men, I think its more of an issue that people get off to "mature" characters. Remove the standard naive aspect from the shota adventurer and give him some kind of cynical worldview, and most people would probably be satisfied.
63252e No.15007692
>>15007662
All of these disgust me. She looks like degenerate trash. Though its a small consolation nero is going to get with her and not dante, though dante will probably cuck him.
117a18 No.15007696
>>15007666
It's a surefire way to identify a worthless whore. Also, women that smoke are disgusting.
63252e No.15007699
>>15007684
Literally the opposite. They put in these ugly ass women, and pair them with attractive and manly looking soy boys with effeminate personalities that are waiting to apologize. I think it started with Dragon Age Origins and Alistair.
cdf8a1 No.15007710
>>15007388
This
As if you're going on face alone and not the full package then you might as well be blindfolded thinking you're about to pick a 9.
>>15007476
Here's the thing I love Grease monkey women but this is just trying too fucking hard on the approach.
832bf4 No.15007714
>>15007696
Yeah, that too, when I was less than 20 someone introduced me to this young girl who said she liked me but she never had "time" to be with me, long story short, some time after that she went from skinny fuckable to horrible, badmouth and smoker.
8dc497 No.15007716
>>15007662
>People unironically defending that tumblr personification
I want cuckchan to leave
63252e No.15007718
>>15007696
It's one of the signals that a woman is loose and easy. Things like
Tramp stamp
Tattoos in general
piercings not on the ears, so eyes, nose mouth, eyebrow, nipples, vag, etc.
Smoking
Drugs
Excessive drinking
Dyed colored hair, but usually only unnatural colors
There's more, but I forgot them.
Oh, it also means they usually have daddy issues as well, either from sexual abuse, regular abuse, a single parent household.
a9dfe3 No.15007719
>>15007699
I'm talking about what people want though.
Not what completely pozzed beyond all hope of treatment devs churn out.
The declining sales of that kind of shit should be indicative enough that shit is the exact opposite what anyone wants.
63252e No.15007725
>>15007719
Ah, I thought you meant its what devs wanted, my bad.
Though i'll add I don't think men want ugly men in the game, just they prefer the men to be masculine, especially if they're companions or teammates. Though devs often make extremely masculine characters ugly as well for some reason.
246ac6 No.15007726
>>15007662
Pic 2 with less fucked nose and bigger tits would have been good too
>>15007391
I would say she has failed to do both. and also you make a good point how Nero looks more generic with the Donte look. Nero's DMC 4 hairstyle makes him more distinct and now he looks like a generic punk. The price of realism is also nothing really stands out.
>>15007383
I'm still not believing that's not a good bit of photoshop and makeup
e1e387 No.15007728
>>15007662
I have a mixed feeling of being impressed by how fast she got rule 34'd and disgusted by the fact she has been rule 34'd
This is why you don't ask for a new installment of a beloved franchise.
117a18 No.15007731
>>15007710
>Here's the thing I love Grease monkey women but this is just trying too fucking hard on the approach.
Cindy was how it's supposed to be done. And I don't give a shit about realism, I see disgusting roasties every day IRL, I have no wish to suffer their existence in my escapism.
Any vidya female character that you can't pump full of bullets that isn't the pinnacle of female perfection, in body, personality and voice, is fucking trash.
>>15007718
>There's more, but I forgot them.
Clothing is also a big warning sign, as is her manner of speech, or general behavior. Hell, even how she eats can be indicative she's a low class slut with no standards.
>Oh, it also means they usually have daddy issues as well, either from sexual abuse, regular abuse, a single parent household.
Most women have daddy issues, and the poor asshole doesn't even have to have done anything, merely not paying "enough" attention to them can send the cunt towards feminism.
33d0a9 No.15007744
33d0a9 No.15007749
>>15006899
I just ejaculated internally.
117a18 No.15007757
>>15007749
We now live in a bizarre timeline where SE, a company that has been pandering to leftists for years, makes more attractive females that Team Ninja or Capcom.
88ee01 No.15007788
>>15007719
Or maybe you're retarded and theres more than 2 options of old hag vs borderline pedo.
e1e387 No.15007794
>>15007757
Falcom, Sega and Bandai/Namco seem to be taking that mantle as well.
06dfa0 No.15007804
>>15007794
Now Falcom just needs to learn to make good games too, instead of their Legend of Heroes garbage.
I like how Cold Steel managed to be even worse than Trails in the Sky in every way.
ccbb5f No.15007820
>>15007368
>There's no way of actually knowing.
Well boy have I got news for you
ff2135 No.15007829
becd04 No.15007837
>>15007467
>>15007476
>>15007662
Sometimes i wonder if someone made a wish to the monkey palm for DMC 5
139fbd No.15007846
>>15007820
Elsa was the only one which looked pretty after.
ff2135 No.15007851
>>15007837
I wished for it by kissing a lucky rabbit's foot, so I don't think I'm responsible.
52a908 No.15007896
>>15006812
Well I think it comes down to whatever the devs are trying to achieve with regards to the theme of the game but in most games there's no need to have ugly characters, same reason I don't want to go watch movies with ugly people, watch ugly sculptures or listen to shit music, etc. unless the ugliness itself serves to make a point but by then we're getting into pretentious territory.
In gaming like all other forms of art beauty and perfection are the norm and we've gotten used to every character being a porcelain doll both for economic reasons and convenience but now videogames are getting more realistic and this realism tends to call for characters that look a bit more real.
That said I agree that there's a difference between giving a character mild imperfections and making them ugly. Lastly the crux of t he matter is that game graphics ain't there yet no matter how "realistic" they seem and giving characters obvious imperfections sticks out a lot.
ff2135 No.15007900
Dante reached maximum uncle. Good ol' crazy uncle Dante.
73041d No.15007906
>>15007662
there are hints of a cute girl beneath that design
but the tattoos absolutely ruin it
73041d No.15007910
>>15007820
If men can look pretty without make-up, why do women need it?
ff2135 No.15007920
>>15007910
That's a really good question.
35aaf9 No.15007925
>>15007352
Yes, what attractive to me, which is subjective. She isn't ugly, her teeth are a little too big if anything, that's it - like I said, it's due to different people (the asian designers in our case) finding different things attractive and "exciting", maybe the guy who designed this thinks shes hot? To say its SJW shoehorning is absolutist, hypocritical cancer because you're operating on "muh personal feefees" (prefrence) too.
This "new" style isn't bad either, you know what was Vergils best renderition in DMC3? No, not his generic 3D model, a copy paste, pointy chin anime face that might as well be the Japanese equivalent of a CalArts front teeth smile, its his photorealistic model in one of the menus. He actually has personality there, a calm and collected villain, I can tell just by looking at him. Likewise with the DMC5 girl, I can tell she's a geeky, erratic mechanic which fits perfectly with her lore, pretty interesting lore at that - she's the daughter of the woman who designed ebony & ivory, cmon, if that doesn't tell you how promising she might be then you're just an idiot who wants a boner bait brain dead sidekick for the sake of self appeasement, disregarding the fact that, again, none of the DMC women were outlandishly attractive, and when they made Lady slightly more releastic in DMC4SE (greatly reducing her previously comical eyes size) I've seen you faggots still complain that she's ugly! What do you faggots want, they showed they could make hot girls with Bayonetta, if you wanna play a game one handed go play that shit, DMC fans are fine with her and wanted a photorealistic DMC since we first saw pics like these.
949548 No.15007936
>>15007906
I've said so in another thread. If you only saw the face pic, she would look cute. Problem is the trashy design, and her voice.
63252e No.15007939
>>15007920
They don't. But the years of using makeup from a young age to look as good as possible fucks up their skin, then add in the constant nights out drinking non stop, the drugs for a lot of those party girl roasties and everything else, and it destroys them. Men they feature by comparion don't do that, or at least to the same degree. You'll notice girls who don't use makeup almost always look better than those that normally do, cause they didn't fuck up their faces with it. Add in not living as a degenerate party goer and they actually age normally like most men. Course, telling your modern day woman her looks are a result of her actions is tantamount to racism so, you know.
ff2135 No.15007940
>>15007936
Her dialogue made me cringe in that trailer.
83f3e7 No.15007970
>>15007939
tell us more about women you never meet because you never leave your house or talk to them
fda864 No.15007999
>>15007939
Men do more drugs than women overall. I think the different beauty standards for men and women is a key factor. A man can have some slightly fucked up skin and still look alright, but a woman without really smooth skin free of blemishes is far less attractive. A guy can be much rougher looking than a woman and still be considered handsome.
06dfa0 No.15008008
>>15007910
Because women are trash humans and need to cover up their horrible personalities with superior visuals.
d31392 No.15008013
>>15007922
>Expressing disgust over trannies is /pol/
Also, you forgot to remove the "tumblr" in your filename.
63252e No.15008022
>>15007970
Sure. High partner count and drug usage is indicative of issues with loyalty to a partner in a relationship, especially so for women. So those degenerate roasties that are getting fucked by a different guy every night will have issues having a loving loyal relationship ever again. Add in high partner counts killing off the ability to pair-bond and its correlation to infidelity and divorce, and it leads to an almost certain future of loneliness, and broken dreams.
>>15007999
Doubt it. Maybe for weed, but from what i've seen girls can get to cocaine and other harder drugs easier by men looking to sleep with them. Especially multiple sources depending on their promiscuity. This is all in correlation to party girls and actor girls, who were the main sample size used in the make-up app.
496469 No.15008025
>>15006812
There's a difference between giving a character minor blemishes and giving them fucking horse teeth. The difference being that a girl with a scar or her chin or a bad eyebrows can still be cute in her own unique way. Meanwhile, tatooed jewish horse tooth trailer trash girl with thin lips there just makes my dick shrivel up.
645a6a No.15008033
>>15006812
I think Twilight Princess did ugly characters pretty well while still having some attractive characters mixed in.
27eab9 No.15008056
>>15006812
Imperfections are ugliness and must never be tolerated in fiction.
All this marxist and jewish push for ugliness to be accepted must be purged. Ugly people are abominations, and ugly fictional creations are made by mentally ill freaks.
832bf4 No.15008073
Can't do much about the tattoos yet.
47422d No.15008074
Adding asymmetry can be a good way to make a design more visually interesting, but you should not be intentionally making a character less attractive or idealized unless you have a very good reason. No one likes looking at ugly people.
>>15006817
>Imperfections are natural.
Yes.
>A perfect looking realistic human model would be in the uncanny valley or at least cartoonish.
No. A model of a human totally lacking any of the minor defects that real people have would, correctly, be recognized as extremely beautiful.
fda864 No.15008095
>>15008022
They can exchange sex for drugs far easier than a man could, no doubt. But men are still using and abusing more of most if not all types of drugs than women based on the National Institute on Drug Abuse studies.
526864 No.15008101
>>15008073
>removing her freckles
You BASTARD!
832bf4 No.15008109
>>15008101
I'll try removing only the tattoos later.
e71809 No.15008110
>>15008073
You must also remove the nerd glasses, the cigarette, and the slutty midriff
832bf4 No.15008114
>>15008110
I would need to do a full drawing for that if you ask me, but I can try that too, later though, I am falling asleep.
4c2765 No.15008129
>>15007718
And yet not a single one of those signs has ever gotten you laid.
63252e No.15008131
>>15008095
>Women of color
>Cites booze and marijuana like I mentioned men would use more
Why not link to the study itself instead of some SJW shit.
63252e No.15008144
>>15008129
I actually dated a smoker who had a lot of tattoos. She even tried to get in contact again after we broke up, but I found out she started coalburning so fuck going anywhere near that.
494a80 No.15008154
73041d No.15008169
>>15008110
Yes, don't forget to properly adorn her with a burka.
f48c69 No.15008186
>have a big goth/punk girl fetish
>tattoos, piercings and all that
>they are now symbols of a SJW
why even fucking live
744d17 No.15008240
>>15008186
I know that feeling but honestly I even forgot I had a thing for that because I stopped looking it up something like 3 years ago.
It is kinda sad.
7b8d26 No.15008253
>>15007662
>those hips and that meaty pelvis in the second image
muh
a2bbb1 No.15008269
>>15008073
>>15008025
arent japs obsessed with fucked up teeth? snaggle tooth?
> Japanese women paying hundreds of pounds to make perfectly straight teeth look crooked and fang-like
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>>15008269
It's one of those things that only works in 2D
832bf4 No.15008299
>>15008269
Nico doesn't have crooked teeth, her upper lip seems to be just too thin and basically gives her horse teeth instead.
3e7520 No.15008303
>>15008008
Nice triple digit dubs, and couldn't be more accurate.
a2bbb1 No.15008319
>>15008299
yeah but maybe its some new nipps fetish.
832bf4 No.15008333
>>15008319
I am pretty sure it was basically Itsuno's way to overdo the whole "make it photo realistic" the higher ups pushed onto the game.
e71809 No.15008342
>>15008297
>fang
>fucked up teeth
big difference if you ask me
but yeah you're right, some things only work in 2D, like crippled girls
81aef2 No.15008347
Heaven forbid western devs put both homely AND beautiful females in the same game. I don't mean a heroine being beautiful and some evil witch being ugly, but imagine if some npcs were actually more beautiful than others instead of everyone being the same manjaw butterface. There would be no end to screeching.
06170c No.15008365
>>15008073
There's just something off about the face, like a woman's face was dragged over a robot skull or lizard skinwalker and not sitting quite right.
4f397c No.15008418
>>15008297
paizuri is God's gift to man
06dfa0 No.15008422
>>15008073
She looks like she has herpes no matter what I do with her fucking lips. God her smile looks like trash. Like she sucks the dicks of homeless people behind Arby's.
2f9267 No.15008429
>>15008342
scary looking girls who are actually very sweet and timid is one of the best new things.
06dfa0 No.15008439
>>15008429
>Women who turn out to not be trash
Yeah I like that too. Sounds like a pipedream though.
2522a8 No.15008440
>>15008422
Regardless how hard you try.
A jew remains ugly.
e71809 No.15008453
>>15008439
>sounds like a pipedream though
06dfa0 No.15008460
>>15008453
Bag kind of looks like it's wearing panties.
629148 No.15008463
>>15006812
Idealism is shit tier and needs to stay in the neoclassical period. Also, the only valid reason people have to whine that every women in video games (and media in general) aren't supermodel tier 10/10 is that they don't have jerk off bait anymore. In that case, just go play a hentai VN. I just really don't see the big deal.
dcfb87 No.15008477
>>15008463
>Idealism needs to stay in the neoclassical period.
What was the Renaissance then?
629148 No.15008482
>>15008477
Neoclassical was the latest period I could think of obsessing over idealism. Calm your tits.
e71809 No.15008485
>>15008463
>everything should be ugly like I am
Gentle reminder that the purpose of Art is to make life look more beautiful than it really is.
dcfb87 No.15008487
>>15008482
No, my tits are going to flap the fuck around while I ask you why you think it should stay history.
4924e4 No.15008501
>>15007900
I made something
1b011d No.15008503
>>15008453
How the fuck did that even happen?
>>15008463
>Don't worry that society is awash in ugliness goy -er- guys, just ignore it it doesn't effect you!
6939b9 No.15008507
Unless you're making some sort of vehicle simulator there is no situation where adding more "realism" makes a game better in any aspect.
06dfa0 No.15008510
>>15008485
Maybe your purpose for art is, but it's a retarded view of the general purpose of art, because at is a nebulous and subjective concept.
However, video games are not art.
dcfb87 No.15008519
>>15008510
But why is it retarded?
Why don't you think Idealism is a good view of art?
63252e No.15008552
>>15008463
>The medium used as escapism from the real world as a coping mechanism needs to be as ugly as the real world and must have all the politics of the real world at the time shoved into it, despite the protests of its community.
I don't have any communism pictures to mock you with, so take this picture of a cute trap as a means of mocking you.
629148 No.15008564
>>15008552
hahaha snowflake, grow a pair.
da8d7e No.15008576
06dfa0 No.15008584
>>15008519
Quite simply because I can choose to draw someone uglier for any reason, and that reason would be the reason for that piece of art. You can't just put a general reason for art, that makes no fucking sense. You can draw art to express how your uncle kept you in a basement and raped you for 12 years as therapy, does that fit your general view of idealism as the "reason for art"? I mean it makes no fucking sense with like 10 seconds of critical thought.
832bf4 No.15008600
>>15008422
You messed up a little.
8dc497 No.15008604
>>15008422
>That man face
And people are defending this.
06dfa0 No.15008617
>>15008600
So did your mother
7fccd7 No.15008621
>>15007039
>Anyone in that image is attractive
Ayy lmao
ea3f94 No.15008626
>>15008552
>art can't comment, critique or be based in the real world
>art can only be escapism
4e136d No.15008634
>>15008584
Art is not subjective to anyone but subhumans like you.
06dfa0 No.15008641
84eab3 No.15008651
No one has a perfect face in real life, which is why they don't want you to use a mirror modifier on someone's mesh model of their face. It's off putting because we're so used to seeing asymmetrical faces, that a perfect face looks wrong. He's not saying you make them ugly, he's just saying that if you make a face with perfect symmetry, it's going to look wrong to people. I can see why you think he'd be arguing for ugly characters, but even if you're trying to make a hot character, you don't want them 100% symmetrical. Bioware takes this to an extreme, but I think if you looked at the wireframe of your Cidney, that you'd find it's not perfectly symmetrical either. But looking at textured models isn't going to show it right, you'll need to see the wire frame, and I don't see that it's been ripped from the game yet after a quick search.
>>15008552
If that dude trapped you, you're a giant faggot
dcfb87 No.15008743
>>15008584
Alright I get the idea, you can't make an assumption on what art truly is because it's supposed to convey "Art" through the medium– right?
Therefore trying to strive for realism is a dumb idea because you're only going to achieve is less what you're attempting to convey and more about the work you put into the piece of art itself.
However, if you were to really write off idealism and realism as though they were a retarded concept, you'd be contradicting the point you're driving at. Art doesn't have a central dogma nor approach. Believing that one idea is more retarded than another, or one is greater than the other, that is asinine.
But here's the real shit:
Improvement is not made unless there is something to contrast the progress made. If there is no ideal, there is no abstract. If there is no poor, there is no good.
Constructive criticism, something that artists readily try to take in for their benefit, is something that cannot be made unless there is something there that is "ideal".
Can purposefully drawing ugly and poorly be criticized? No, because it is already a "perfect" representation of something. The "Art" within the paint is already there. It's perfect by nature of being imperfect. That is what it is.
If it is perfect, it cannot be perfected. There is nothing more to do but display it. There is no need to repeat the thought within the artist's own mind, nor the necessity to refine it.
Yes pursuit of "Art" may not be the same as pursuing the craftsmanship behind it, but there is something more to be said by those who attempt to practice both.
Look at the Last Supper by Da Vinci. Look at every single representation of a human being within the canvas. With each of them, their faces, their body language, their placement, there is something else conveyed. Every person within that canvas is "abstract", conveying a different message to every single viewer no matter who would talk to– and yet there is an "ideal" conveyed by the entire canvas. Da Vinci portrayed the last moments of joy of a man about to be executed, but he also portrayed that man's friends before they were to witness that execution.
You think that the "reason for art" is ineffable? Then there would not be criticism, nor improvement ever made. There would not be people to call themselves "Artists" because the very foundation of "pursuing art" would come out from beneath them.
dcfb87 No.15008759
>>15008743
>Therefore trying to strive for realism is a dumb idea because you're only going to achieve is less what you're attempting to convey and more about the work you put into the piece of art itself.
what did I mean by this
744d17 No.15008779
>>15008422
Fuck NO.
Entire good thing about her is the fact she is imperfect as it allowed them to make this borderline punk nerd girl. I wouldn't be surprised if wrinkles were there for that exact reason. I am actually fine with but mostly because original is not above 8/10 but she is not ugly.
It might have something to do with me also wanting to see Dante as insane old person who thinks he is no older than 20. I don't know, but I certainly enjoy both of them, just fuck Nero and his model from Scalebound.
06dfa0 No.15008838
>>15008779
She looks like trash you fucking bug chaser.
0fabd2 No.15008853
you need a certain level of imperfection to get a better looking character model or it just looks like the uncanny valley or a barbie doll. What more amateur developers don't understand is this doesn't mean slap on a massive amount of imperfections. I think they just let their ugly as shit character models slide because then they can try to collect goodboy points by saying "we didn't sexualize them goys" and cover up their own fucking amateur work
6e847b No.15008905
>>15008422
she looks like a disgusting super-roastie whore
63252e No.15008906
>>15008564
Go to gulag already.
>>15008626
>videogames
>art
Pick one and only one.
>>15008651
What do you mean? That's prime cuteness. I doubt you could find anything better.
1b6e6c No.15008914
>>15006812
What your instructor means by imperfection is:
>"we have the ability to make characters look more human, and render the imperfections and asymmetries that make up daily life"
What Bethesda and Bioware mean by imperfections:
>"we cannot model for shit and are pretending our bullshit is a feature and not a bug"
This is primarily a problem of talent leaving the industry, which leads to ugly women coming in who can't model for shit.
What the average weeb in this thread is arguing for:
>"I can only accept sterile models and cheap fanservice. My brain has either completely melted or never progressed beyond an adolescent state"
Personally I think the DMC 5 girl is fine, she just needs bigger tits.
7b8d26 No.15008917
>>15007524
Like motor oil and sweat.
63252e No.15008921
>>15008917
But that's a good smell.
ea3f94 No.15008945
>>15008906
Videogames are art, how could they not be?
>>15008914
>DMC 5 girl is fine
this
b510aa No.15008948
>>15008186
I have the same problem, I love punk/goth and I also love coloured hair.
These are pretty much the signs of a feminist now, so fuck my preferences as they bring me nothing but pain now.
e0efb7 No.15008957
>>15006812
>hurr perfect is boring
Faggots who say this are also the types who defend "health at every size"
>imperfections give personality
In some sense they do, but that's only because, in reality, we have to learn to live with our imperfections, and in doing so we gain some character because of it. For instance, if you're a fat piece of shit, then you will hear from everyone around you about it. When these comments eventually get the better of you, your reaction is what dictates how you perceive reality.
>Yes, I'm fat, I realize that this is a result of a combination of different factors, some of which are beyond my control, that have ultimately led me to be this way. I also realize that I have the potential to change my lifestyle for the better.
<Yes, I'm fat, I should hate myself for being fat
<Yes, I'm fat, but who fucking cares, it's my body and I don't need to live up to anyone's standards
<Yes, I'm fat, but there's nothing wrong with being fat! Health at every size!!
<No, I'm not fat, you're all delusional, when I look in the mirror I see perfection
As you can see, your imperfections can lead you down a line of thinking that is more destructive than the imperfections themselves. Imperfections only give character to people who have the fortitude to move beyond them. Otherwise, you're just mentally ill.
Also, fuck you, the girl from DMC5 is beautiful in a trashy redneck kind of way.
06dfa0 No.15008971
>>15008957
>thinks imperfection in art refers to making fat characters
>thinks the DMC5 girl is fine
Literally braindead
99640c No.15008973
>>15008971
He sounds like a nigger so he probably is braindead.
0678a7 No.15008976
>>15006812
>asymmetry
<good
Sounds like a nigger.
Imperfections, yes. They add realism. Add a scratch, or cut, or bruise, or mole, or whatever and you're being more real.
Making their face intentionally lopsided is aggravating.
117a18 No.15008982
>>15008957
>imperfections give personality
It's called the moe gap. Japan already developed it into an art and didn't need to turn female characters into roasties, at least until now.
>we have to learn to live with our imperfections
No we don't, that's why eugenics and genocide exist.
>the girl from DMC5 is beautiful
Go buy a pair of fucking glasses. Jesus Christ.
fe7c00 No.15008989
>>15008948
Be wary of any girl with unnatural-colored hair or piercings as mental illness almost always comes bundled. Source: I fucked a lot of scene girls in high school and they were all certified nuts
>>15007662
Of course it exists already
e0efb7 No.15009023
>>15008971 (18) fucking posts, what are you, an attention whore?
>>15008973
>This much lack of reading comprehension
>Uses the word "literally" incorrectly
Kill yourselves you dumb niggers.
>>15008982
>This non-response
I don't even know how to respond to this retardation.
>Hates the DMC5 girl
You're a bunch of no-dick faggots.
4fa971 No.15009026
You can make an imperfect looking character without making them a fat obese lesbianonbinary
1b6e6c No.15009072
>>15009026
This thread will have you believe it's either that or a featureless moeblob/korean. What a dull and primitive state things are in.
99640c No.15009092
494a80 No.15009095
>>15009072
Post a woman you find attractive.
06dfa0 No.15009098
a27cb2 No.15009099
>>15009072
/v/ is full of opinionated people who don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
afcd5d No.15009101
>>15009056
Geez, what's wrong with purposefully adding literally one of the most unattractive human traits to your model?
ab5ba8 No.15009103
>>15006812
#1 learn how to make a proper human first
because Western devs "imperfect" characters are just covering up the fact that they can't design for shit.
1f4cbb No.15009166
>>15006812
>my instructor said that perfect 3d models are kinda boring and sterile (by perfect, I mean characters who are 10/10 beautiful or handsome; aiming for "ideal" looking characters)
Your faggot instructor is right and wrong at the same time.
Art faggots took a simple concept, perfection is found in the imperfections, and took it to an extreme.
Your faggot instructor believes in pic related.
The imperfections you should be looking for are minute. Maybe your sculpture's nose is shifted to the left 0.5mm. Maybe you put a chin dimple on it.
Your faggot instructor tries to tell the story of a character based on their obvious physical attributes, when so much more could be done.
Character doesn't like not having something to write with? Maybe they have at least three pens.
Character has a history of loosing fights? Give them a broken nose.
First pic in OP:
>Mixed messages from every aspect of character
>Clear tats
>Clean arms
>Dirty face
>Ratty southern belle hair
What is she supposed to be? A debutante that fell off the back of a wagon into the lap of a dirty hobo and decided to suck dirty hobo dick for the rest of her life? The smoking and tats obviously announce she's someone's property.
Second pic in OP:
>She likes cars and racing
>She looks like she's setup to work in the heat
>She likes to look sexy for the boys
Loose the goggles for some shades and she'd be okay. Coveralls with the top zipped down to show some titties would be better than what I know she's wearing.
An analogy:
Frosting is good on a cake.
If you put too much frosting on a cake, it's no longer a cake.
A cake can be just as good without frosting.
BJ in antifa simulator is actually well done in that regard.
4ee08b No.15009314
>>15008651
>even if you're trying to make a hot character, you don't want them 100% symmetrical
Sorry but I have to call bullshit on that one. I put that to the test using a render of a character's face from Hellgate London which I think is pretty hot. I mirrored it using both sides and even though especially because the face itself is perfectly symmetrical it looks really hot.
The lighting and hair are different though but I think that doesn't count.
66926d No.15009329
661b26 No.15009369
>>15007692
Fuck that shit, Nero better be staying true to Kyrie. That girl was 10/10.
4ee08b No.15009385
>>15009369
This.
Nero was a good guy. He yelled her name in the trailer so I hope that she's still there for him.
b499b0 No.15009387
Who from agdg ever implied 3D modelling and animation courses weren't worthwhile? It's common knowledge that Game Design classes are utter garbage that will get you nothing and nowhere, but that's not the same thing. I studied 3D modelling and animation for a year in college and my skills improved drastically.
06dfa0 No.15009393
>>15009314
what the shit this proves his point you mongoloid
4ee08b No.15009411
>>15009393
>guy argues that perfectly symmetrical faces aren't hot
>mirror hot looking face
>it's perfectly symmetrical
Gee, that sure proves him right fag
832bf4 No.15009413
>>15009385
He basically say "get back inside!" so I presume they live together or at least she was with him when something happened, presumably Vergil coming to pick up his devil arm.
7949d6 No.15009414
>>15009387
The thing is just that you payed a lot of money for something that you can get for free online, so technically these courses are worthless.
Nobody minds you getting indoctrinated in a university, but it just makes very little sense for someone who isnt a mongrel.
246ac6 No.15009425
>>15009413
>Vergil coming to pick up his devil arm
If it's his arm. Then where is nero's arm?
1b6e6c No.15009430
>>15009411
In your example, the perfectly symmetrical face looks far worse than the asymmetrical one. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to see that.
832bf4 No.15009432
>>15009425
Is a pun, Yamato is inside the Devil Bringer, a devil arm inside a literal devil arm.
117a18 No.15009441
What are the chances the roastie is a villain and reveals her true feminist form?
4ee08b No.15009449
>>15009430
It's perfectly symmetrical, the actual shape is the same on both sides. Only the hair, lighting and shadows are different which I already pointed out in my original post.
You'd have to be a literal retard to not realize that.
1b6e6c No.15009475
>>15009449
That's still visual asymmetry, and we still see what happens when characters don't have it. It looks demonstrably worse.
4ee08b No.15009485
>>15009475
Yes but that wasn't the point. He said that facial symmetry is bad.
a27cb2 No.15009504
>>15009387
Same here. I studied graphic design/animation and got a lot of practical experience from it. It wasn't perfect but it's worthwhile just to get the work routine in.
>>15009449
She looks at lot better with asymmetrical hair and lighting though. The same goes for facial features.
Fact is, anything in terms of design that's neatly symmetrical or harmonious looks sterile, off or boring. Look at renders of bad 3D porn animations if you want the extreme of that.
47422d No.15009506
>>15009475
>That's still visual asymmetry
Yes, and a limited amount of visual asymmetry (in hairstyle, clothing, scars, etc.) is good. Asymmetric facial structure is always bad, unless you are specifically trying to make the character look grotesquely deformed.
06dfa0 No.15009526
>>15009506
>Asymmetric facial structure is always bad
Wrong, nigger.
47422d No.15009530
>>15009504
>The same goes for facial features.
No, it actually doesn't. Facial asymmetry means there's something wrong with you, and is objectively unattractive (nobody is perfectly symmetric, of course, because there are little things wrong with all of us).
01b178 No.15009543
>>15008429
>new
>NEW
You're the anime equivalent of the guy who thinks that Halo started the FPS genre.
4ee08b No.15009556
>>15009504
>She looks at lot better with asymmetrical hair and lighting though. The same goes for facial features.
I don't buy that. I am pretty convinced that there is a perfect idea of beauty that is consistent across different races and ethnicities and that always involves symmetrical faces. There are a lot of studies that support this. Hell, I'll even look them up if that would convince you.
>Fact is, anything in terms of design that's neatly symmetrical or harmonious looks sterile, off or boring. Look at renders of bad 3D porn animations if you want the extreme of that.
I think it has more to do with bad modelling and lighting. You brought up lighting earlier in your post. Lighting is everything when it comes to how we perceive things because lighting is literally everything that we see. There is a reason why photographers use these broad screens to emit light evenly across a room when taking photos of people. It makes the face look more natural and softer whereas a single lightsource like a lamp creates unnatural and sharp shadows.
4ee08b No.15009572
>>15009556
Forgot to add, what you refer to with facial flaws has more to do with personal preference and averageness. People are generally more attracted to average looking people or at least more willing to approach them because they don't feel out of their league.
d9e795 No.15009619
>>15007662
What does she sound like in nip?
832bf4 No.15009643
>>15009619
Aren't all DMC games in English regardless of the region?
a27cb2 No.15009651
>>15009530
>nobody is perfectly symmetric, of course, because there are little things wrong with all of us
I'd argue that's why subtle asymmetry adds to a character. A perfectly symmetrical face looks doll-like instead of human and ends up in uncanny valley really quickly. Mind you, I don't mean excessively different facial features which do indeed stand out and can become ugly, but those also have their purpose if you're specifically trying to design a character around it.
On most people you encounter in public you usually won't notice small asymmetrical features because our brains don't focus on them. Most people don't have an eye for it unless they study it a lot. And some faces that are perceived as beautiful or attractive also have small things "wrong" about them that aren't obvious to everyone. George Clooney has a really asymmetrical face, yet a lot of women find him attractive.
99d9c3 No.15009727
99d9c3 No.15009754
>>15009101
Anna Kendrick must only get work due to (((patronage))). She looks ugly as shit with those air-cooled teeth of hers.
6e847b No.15009874
>>15009430
>In your example, the perfectly symmetrical face looks far worse than the asymmetrical one.
You need to visit an eye physician or brain surgeon.
886766 No.15009892
>>15008297
>>15008269
Having prominent upper canines, especially in combination with normal (not overdeveloped) facial musculature, is attractive because it shows that you are a harmonious individual. People who grind their teeth wear out their canines first, they act as protection for the other teeth during chewing patterns, guiding the movement of the mandible.
There are so many ways in which teeth impact facial esthetics that it's ridiculous, but grinding is a big one. I can usually diagnose teeth-grinding without even looking at a persons teeth, the facial features become subtly but distinctly warped by it.
TL;DR "fang" teeth are healthy, and hot
a27cb2 No.15009927
>>15009892
Thanks for making me conscious about mine. I ground them down when I was younger.
a2bbb1 No.15009966
>>15009927
>>15009892
weird, I grind mine in sleep but canines are still in pretty good shape compared to rest
04ac63 No.15009968
>>15007127
which one is it?
886766 No.15009974
>>15009927
There is help my dear friend. If you live in the USA you are lucky, they are world leading in occlusal disease. I took a course once with some Dawson Academy people and it changed my career, they got it fucking figured out how to fix grinding.
>>15009966
Pressure and gliding are different in how they cause damage, but yeah you are kinda lucky if your canines look fine they help protect the other teeth and muscles from the most damaging patterns.
a27cb2 No.15010037
>>15009974
I'm europoor. I also never got braces and drank a ton of soda when I was younger, so the damage is done. I take care of them now at least, dentists never remark anything so they seem fine functionally. I've started to avoid gritting my teeth and picked up chewing gum when it gets too difficult due to nervousness.
886766 No.15010080
>>15010037
Good for you! Daytime grinding can usually be solved by awareness. Take care of your teeth, it's the only part of the body that doesn't heal by replacement.
a27cb2 No.15010091
>>15010080
Will do, thanks anon.
c2b8b5 No.15010103
>>15008074
>No. A model of a human totally lacking any of the minor defects that real people have would, correctly, be recognized as extremely beautiful.
The brain is very good at picking up this sort of stuff. You'd notice. The goal here is to make characters look as natural as possible, right?
4ee08b No.15010148
>>15010103
>The goal here is to make characters look as natural as possible, right?
I think that is the question that should be asked. Natural characters are more flawed but beautiful characters are a sight to behold. >>15006817 pretty much hit the nail on the head. I think in the end it should be left up to the designers to choose whatever art style they prefer.
7b0ad1 No.15010209
Realism and beauty are seperate from each other.
Pretty sure what they meant is "believeable and relateable"
117a18 No.15010313
>>15010209
A person can be both "real" looking and beautiful. But why bother with that when fictional women can be made even more attractive?
>inb4 uncanny valley
Yes, you can fuck up and make them look weird, but time and again developers have proven you can create idealized female characters that don't look strange without having to resort to copying 3DPD.
74ac58 No.15010384
>>15006817
>There ARE very good looking humans. Some people DO look better than others.
Whenever someone wants to whinge about "unrealistic beauty" in girls (and decent faces in dudes) in vidya just show them Detroit: Become Holocaust or that horrendous Senua's "Kill Myself Erry Day" Sacrifice
These are real faces with very little - or none at all in some cases - alteration to them.
74ac58 No.15010397
It's the best since you know they played/watched youtubers play these games and they have to eat dirt regarding the beauty thing as a justification for nonsense.
Or they will pull typical Commie hypocrisy and complain about unrealistic standards or whatever. But by then you've proven your point.
74ac58 No.15010429
>>15009892
>it shows that you are a harmonious individual.
It's shows you're either a vamp or anime girl
or a cat
526864 No.15010435
I think what your dumbass prof was trying to say is that perfectly mirrored, mathematically perfect faces are not real looking so you have to model both sides separately.
b91d89 No.15010526
>>15008463
>"everything I dislike/don't understand is le spook man"
>Wife cheated on me, thats a spook
>Muh nations are a spook
>Looming bill is a spook
Perhaps you should try some real literature.
74ac58 No.15010649
>>15007631
>man face
>half-elf obvious feminine woman
>man face
You can tell a woman has a manface if you just cut the hair and can't tell the difference. Ciri is designed to be the most beautiful in the game since she's half super-elf and also her whole character in the books is "don't get raped".
Yen, Triss, that other one, etc. all man-face.
Cosplayers are more feminine.
0f4d96 No.15010699
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>15006817
>>15008074
I reminded of how studio Laika adds subtle asymmetry to their stop motion puppets (different sized eyes, noses that aren't straight), and yet the characters don't look repulsive Bioware ugly.
cc6da0 No.15010724
>>15006812
You had this dicussion over on the other forum, and didn't get enough bites, so you're trying to migrate it here.
Go to.
c2b8b5 No.15010738
>>15010699
Just look at a perfectly mirrored face and you'll notice how it looks "off".
ea3f94 No.15010862
>>15010649
Where do you live that you see those as men faces? i love traps so i'd like to visit
c810c2 No.15011112
What are you all saying, real life is beautiful as hell and can be improved with architecture our style of clothes, etc, why do you think a suit looks better compared to jeans and tank tops. Also, look up the Halo effect.
It has also been proven that the style of clothes that you wear, affects you mentally and changes you neurologically.
e71809 No.15011141
>>15011112
Life can be beautiful, yes. I won't call you out on cherrypicking images (very good images I might add, love the first and fourth especially) but I will say that art can make life seem even more beautiful than it really is. Good art, I mean. You'll see leftists and marxists and hedonists make art ugly 'on purpose' to send a message but that isn't what Art is about at all.
0fabd2 No.15011229
>>15011112
>It has also been proven that the style of clothes that you wear, affects you mentally and changes you neurologically.
It's kinda scary to think about this, on one hand I wanna learn more because I have a hard time being fashionable but on the flip side of that very coin I'm slightly horrified that my personality could be altered by just a change of pants
029b66 No.15011295
>>15006812
TFW DMCV introduces an annoying Enzo type character and the internet loses it shit because its female. They gave Nero an annoying goblin looking sidekick. Big fucking deal.
0fabd2 No.15011332
>>15011295
>enzo
>annoying
FER FUCKS SAKE IT'S CHRISTMAS EVE GIVE A MAN A BREAK
3bfb6b No.15011338
>contrary to what those in agdg say, I'm actually learning a hell of a lot
What? We never said that
We said that all the shit you'd learn in college is going to be shit you can learn yourself just by watching tutorials and shit online for free. The only valid thing those courses get you that you can't get on your own is networking connections.
a19f9e No.15011345
>>15011332
>>15011295
Am I the only one who thinks enzo looks like an older more italian mark?
0fabd2 No.15011350
52ef36 No.15011363
>>15006812
I'm almost ALMOST tempted to apologize to Squeenix after seeing DMC5's abomination.
79e22c No.15011371
>>15011345
Jews and Italians are very close genetically, so you aren't the only one, i can see it as well.
bf97f3 No.15011406
>>15006812
Your teacher is an idiot. You are not. Grats.
bf97f3 No.15011411
>>15011295
Namr the last DMC trailer that had a significant portion of it dedicated to Enzo, unlike this problem glasses feminism insert who took up like a third of the trailer.
Waiting.
e0efb7 No.15011440
>>15011420
>"Our women are truly amazing, as they serve as Water Priestesses. We menfolk are rather useless in that regard."
Why couldn't they just write that? Hell, that phrase could be written in many different ways, and yet they chose to word it like that.
a19f9e No.15011449
>>15011411
None because he isn't in DMC?
a19f9e No.15011503
>>15011495
>son of a human and sea mammal
Is that what happens when you consume too much dolphin porn?
5f5aae No.15011514
>>15011495
is that comic implying that whenever a man fucks a fish Namor revives? Well fuck he's immortal aint he?
Sage for off-topic
c633cf No.15011541
>>15010649
>man face
nigga what. Are you so used to your bugged eyed weaboo alien girls that you can't see an attractive woman in 3D anymore?
b86b3f No.15011562
>>15011514
His dad is a furry
d87c99 No.15011565
>>15011514
fish are not mammal
5f5aae No.15011601
>>15011562
>>15011565
this answers none of my questions and I'm satisfied with not knowing.
0ff179 No.15011684
>>15006817
>Western devs use imperfect characters because their aim is to destroy beauty, not to enhance realism.
this
33888e No.15011704
>>15006812
It was said, by bioware devs, that the reason why the women in nuBioware games are ugly is because the women on staff were uncomfortable with attractive women. Being "boring" or "sterile" had nothing to do with that atrocity.
1f4cbb No.15011762
>>15011141
And here you have discovered the true purpose of art.
>To find and display the beauty of any subject
Even something as ugly as a war amongst brothers.
478b2d No.15011786
**I'm probably the only one in this thread that likes the DMC5 girl**
0fabd2 No.15011795
>>15011786
It's too early to call her a bad character or not but she is wildly out of place looking.
47422d No.15011820
>>15010738
That image doesn't prove your point at all. The mirrored left version looks fine even with the hair being a little weird, it's only the right that looks fucked up.
668338 No.15011829
>>15011762
>To find and display the beauty of any subject
Is this why 2d is always superior to 3dpd?
47422d No.15011836
>>15010103
>The brain is very good at picking up this sort of stuff.
Unlikely. The brain's very good at picking out subtle defects in other people, especially potential mates, because they're signals of poor genetics and health. The brain has no reason to trip alarms at seeing someone who looks too perfect.
>The goal here is to make characters look as natural as possible, right?
Not necessarily. Why should that always be the goal, when you can make characters that are more beautiful than what's natural?
fd8d38 No.15011861
I think it's a immature point of view. The character should convey the points of itself through it's appearance, regardless of it looking beautiful or ugly, or realistic isn't really important at all. Some characters can be deliberately be made to look the opposite of their actual character because this makes them more iconic and memorable.
As long as a character conveys itself properly to the audience there isn't really any reason to deliberately introduce flaws, why would people play games because they want them to be believable? no, the point of fantasy is to achieve things that cannot be achieved in real life. What makes sense to the human mind isn't always what is presented in real life.
For this reason I would completely disregard the argument that too perfect models are 'boring and sterile' it's completely arbitrary and personal preference. Some characters should indeed look like top tier beauty models its according to their character however.
863424 No.15011959
>>15011420
What the fuck is this cancer?
9f4c6e No.15011966
>>15011829
>Is this why 2d is always superior to 3dpd?
>always
It's not that 2D girls are inherently superior to 3DPD ones, it's that the potential of 2D is radically greater than 3D's, in both positive and negative directions. 3D women are subject to the rules of reality, while 2D has access to abstractions of all things that have ever existed in 3D and their individual properties, as well as the near-infinite expanse of the human imagination. In short, 2D can easily express ideals. Combinations of real properties which are unlikely to or could not exist in real life. This allows artists to create people and things of incredible beauty, which you will likely never find on Earth. However, it works both ways.
Because most humans value beauty, most art strives to be beautiful, which means that most girls in art will be beautiful, and many of them will be beautiful beyond what is probable. But some people hate beauty, and will intentionally make their art out of combinations of properties which are ugly to any sane human. It should be self-evident that 3DPD women are still superior to the creatures you'll find in intentionally ugly Tumblr art. Of course, this is different from honestly attempting to depict something unpleasant, and unpleasant things to not necessarily have to be ugly. Art can combine negative properties to depict hellscapes, beyond the worst horrors the world has ever seen and suffered through, that are still beautiful.
863424 No.15011969
>>15008779
You're right. The original isn't ugly. It's
ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUSLY REVOLTING. SO SICKENING IT MAKES MY STOMACH CHURN TO EVEN LOOK AT IT
6bef06 No.15012001
>>15011959
Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
62cd5e No.15013247
Is this the designated shitposting thread or what?
>>15006812
Everyone plays games for one thing: To have a good time (Escapism is not the fundamental goal and never has been, Pong and Doom were made to have fun doing something fun, not imagine escape the terrible reality of never being a tennis player or space marine) and that gets a lot harder when you make ugly characters. Everybody knows that everyone has subjective tastes and values, however the sheer volume of such subjectivity is often over-exaggerated, sometimes to the state of hyperbole with eccentrics. There are many clear objective values that men across many different ethnicity and cultures value, and even ignoring those there are many that can be found in our culture as well.
>>15007039 has a great post and image about this and we can clearly see the differences in women and attractiveness. Many anons in this thread cry out Idealist!, Perfectionist! or Hypocrite! yet have never nor will ever jack off or save an image of a kind of women from 5 under, and probably 6. There is always a chance, however that chance is minuscule and it doesn't take much time to see how many people on platforms such as pornhub to exhentai love ugly women in relation to the average man. As such there will always be a more positive reaction from the majority of gamers with a more beautiful women than an ugly one, no matter if a few like the ugly one (with most not actually but simply virtue signaling to make themselves feel better). So if you want to make your game sell and be a more fun experience its usually better to put in only beautiful women to play it safe.
(part 1)
3f072e No.15013296
>>15011829
It's starting to crumble on me, the fact that I can't live on 2D, though 3D is still an unreachable unrealistic desire. Memes aside and with sincerity, you probably need legitimate autism to subsist entirely on 2D and not feel like shit.
62cd5e No.15013365
However this is not always the case and there has been many examples of women in games and other mediums that have been portrayed as more realistic with great success. Yet the method of doing this and keeping the game and character fun without ruining the experience is an art sadly unknown by many western devs. Its quite easy to pick examples of characters that are ugly yet are still pleasant and fun in the game such as 1. Characters that are beautiful but not completely so like Cindy, that chick from Rage and Eve from Metal Gear Solid 3. 2. Characters that are portrayed as less attractive women like that one chick french chick in watch dogs 1, a few side quests chicks in rage, kat from halo reach and the fugly sheriff in alan wake. 3. Characters that are intentionally ugly like the Odeon Chapel Dweller in Bloodborne, the fear 2 chick and Granny rags from Dishonored.
All these characters have varying degrees of attractiveness, yet most could be seen by anons here as being quite good characters and serve to add to the game they are in rather than serve to worsen them, even will some are ugly. The reason for this is that these characters are all relatively well thought and their own attractiveness is part of their identity rather than in spite of it. Eve is as beautiful as a super-model while being a spy and the first thing the player thinks while seeing her is A. How much she is beautiful B. How dangerous she must be if she keeps up her appearance even or in spite of being in a dangerous mission and that you should be wary of her. She eventually tries to seduce and manipulate snake, not counting her other numerous shady ties. Then you could look at a character like kat from halo reach who acts like she appears: a no nonsense, hard boiled, battle-hardened vet with no thoughts outside fighting in the battlefield. Her appearance and behavior go hand in hand and (if my memory isn't shit) she never once makes or receives any advances by other teammates. Finally you have a character like the Odeon Chapel Dweller that is so ugly you don't even know if its a girl, yet still acts in your interest and helps others. The Dweller is more hideous than most enemies you face yet its one of the most friendliest npcs I've ever met in all my years of gaming. Yet it accepts its appearance in its identity and it is the cause for its very low self-esteem and high altruism (most likely due to treatment from those in the church, a second rate hunchback of Notre dame if you will) and it serves to reinforce and add to the character. You can't help but feel sorry and a bond with it, yet its hideousness keeps you from looking at its face closely for long.
(part 2)
62cd5e No.15013461
All of these characters had different shades of attractiveness, yet where all good characters and served to make the story more fun rather than take fun away from it, and though some might find that not to be true, they are the minority and don't really matter if they aren't your audience. Yet even if there are good characters that are ugly, why aren't all ugly characters good? Why are characters like the DMC5 girl, the watch dogs 2 characters like the whale and tranny, and those in mass effect Andromeda so god awfully horrible? The simple answer is that sjw writers sacrifice realistic and fun story and gameplay for realistic player models. The short one is that most if not all of these characters have horrible relation in terms identity to attractiveness among many other glaring values such as humor, intelligence and overall fun. The characters in these games are purposefully made bad by the game Dev for no other reason than A. making them bad. B. Inserting themselves in a story or C. making the playermodel more fair (not realistic but fair).
The reason for doing this is both pure egoism and ideological subversion, yet neither are subtle or well done and can usually be spotted by the average anon very easily, ever when he can not articulate his concerns properly. The characters that are made ugly are made so with the intention that no one ever reports on their ugliness, the public does not react to her ugliness and that the whole world change rotation to allow her ugliness to exist as though she was a 10/10 supermodel. This is the worst thing you could do for a character and does the opposite of adding to the gameworld, it removes and changes the game to help a single character exist with a illogical inconsistency. While many games do have ugly characters with no addressing of such ugliness, 99% of these characters are minor and we do not need to address them in the first place, the add nothing yet do not interfere with player immersion. Yet when you add a character like an over-weight hacker who is at best a 5/10 with more respect and understanding than you would an army drill instructor it becomes outrageous.
This is what is killing western characters, not the lowering degree of attractiveness, but its lack of self-awareness and general misuse.
You can't just make a cigarette and tattoo toting, no makeup wearing, messy women and expect all the characters to act like she is that queen of the world. Even if the characters just mostly ignore her outside of her use as an gun maker, quest giver, etc, its still a waste of a character trait, almost a Chekhov's gun. Having a character that disheveled and obviously unconcerned with social pressure could be great for some added humor in between missions and making her characters around her appearance could easily help the story rather than hinder. And even if you didn't want to use her as a slapstick comedy thing you could make it tragic, like her not caring about her appearance being due to some childhood event or something and you can choose to help her out as a side quest. You could make it comedic, tragic, or just something rather than a bland characters, yet the worst thing you can do is misuse her player model for something other than character. Its one thing to make all your characters anime looking to increase sales, another to intentionally sabotage your character skin to make it more "realistic" with no regard to her identity or the implications of such change. To make a fun character is to make a character that sells, and its no surprise that people like comedic or tragic characters the best, so don't be a nigger that doesn't use all your characters traits to make them more fun or interesting. Even if you don't use your characters attractiveness to its maximum, just never never never make them and every other character unself-aware about it and that of all the other characters.
afbd14 No.15013577
I don't think imperfections are a bad thing. Somebody can be imperfect and still beautiful, and you would be naive to think your 2D waifus aren't imperfect in most shots in your average non-CG anime. You simply do not notice those imperfections because our brains are wired not to notice minor imperfections unless we overthink them. Do not believe me? Grab any random image from Danbooru and trace over it, or stare at every inch of the image for several hours. You will start to notice small anatomy or symmetry errors, but the rest of the picture was beautiful so you did not notice. This also applies to 3DPD, if you fucking degenerate are into that.
That said, there are minor imperfections, then there is making someone ugly on purpose. That's more than imperfect. In fact, more often than not, a character that is ugly. Nico is not assymetrical, and in fact, I would argue she has the base of a beautiful girl I think her eyes and eyebrows are cute, but has an oversized mouth with very visible gums. Try to cover her mouth with your finger and look at her; barring her terrible fashion sense, she is cute.
4bdaf9 No.15015889
29014b No.15016049
>>15007820
I wasn't having a very good day, but then you went and reminded me of the shitfit people threw over that makeup app thing and now I'm feeling a little better. Thanks, anon, you're an ok guy.
>>15008365
The thing that bothers me the most about it is her mouth. It doesn't look like it belongs with the rest of her face. Like that app or whatever the shit puts smiles on people's faces in pictures.
85d91c No.15016242
>>15006904
>3rd pic
Didn't that guy get arrested?
15224a No.15020220
>>15011495
I think that comic just called Prince Namor's dad a penguin fucker.