/v/ - Video Games

I like when you're allowed to shoot switches from afar in games.

>>14992818

I like being able to see things, oddly enough.

>play gaem

>you can seal enemies & control the way enemies and projectiles spawn based on position and screen movement

Being exposed to extra content by backtracking that you would otherwise have missed. Subtle nods to continuity or character development that isn't specifically pointed out. Anything that shows actual effort and thought was put into the development of something.

>>14992818

>>14992837

We will never have lighting like in Doom 3 again where flashlights are actually useful because too many people got triggered over "muh darkness!"

>>14992874

>literally unable to see and fight at the same time, completely antithetical to not just good game design but game design in general

>this also being a game that's in the same franchise as fucking doom

>criticisms not being justified

off yourself

>>14992837

Neat as the lighting effects in FEAR are, shit like that should really just shatter the bulb and leave the room dark.

>>14992892

They like to whine about moral guardians and shit but the real reason is that they're just lazy. Slapping a bunch of shitty jpgs in front of the enemy that disappear within a second is way easier.

Mulitple idle animations. American Mcgee's Alice had lots of them.

>>14992910

TLOU has pretty decent violence but the it's bogged down by druckmans schlock writing. The gore in TLOU2 trailers was impressive but they bookended it with greasy lesbian kissing and more very generic gameplay so hard pass on that one. Some of the details in TLOU were really cool like how larger caliber weapons would change the size of entry/exit wounds and something like shooting an enemy with a shotgun from different ranged would have a different effect on the model.

I'm probably the only one who was actually scared shitless by Doom3

>>14992888

>He's so casual he'd rather have game lighting where everything is washed out and oversaturated like ever AAA game today

>He doesn't adjust the in-game lighting slider in all his games so nightime/indoors without lighting actually looks dark for a spooky and realistic atmosphere

Real life is dark at night, git gud brother that's life

>>14992952

probably, it would be scary for younger players

>>14992957

>there are no in-betweens between cancerous playdough lighting and literally not being able to see

black and white logical fallacy

>>14992974

>black and white logical fallacy

True too be honest I was kind of taking the piss there. But you have to admit most games nigh-time lighting looks way too bright compared to real life. I wish game devs themselves could realize there can be a good compromise but they're too afraid of making it too dark so they themselves don't bother

>>14992974

There's very little in between. Because of the way computers work either there is no light or there is enough to see once you crank up the gamma and shit. If you want flashlights to matter like the OP says there has to be literally no light in some sections.

>>14992988

Are current games too bright to hide obvious lacking design or something like that ?

>>14993013

My guess is they're too bright because devs want to hand-hold players and they want to ensure the player is able to see everything at night. In movies you can get away with really dark scenes because the point of dark ambiance isn't necessarily to be able to see everything in the scene. In a video game devs are too afraid of pissing people off but they still want ambiance so instead of making shit actually dark they make night scenes with a "fake dark" that kind of just shades everything instead and it looks lame

>>14992888

the pitch-black darkness is a game mechanic in doom 3. Very few games actually utilise darkness which is such a shame, one example of the top of my head is croc/crash which is just the basic "everything is dark use this time limited glowbug to light the way" which is just meh. Doom 3, the entire game is built around the darkness, the shadows being literally pitch black was not just a engine limitation but also useful to gameplay. If you look at the game many of the things glow in the dark, like health packs and armor have lights on them which make you see them in the dark… zombies eyes glow in the dark, imps fireballs light up the surronding area in the dark, the muzzle flash (which is removed in bfg edition btw) and the glow from the plasma gun. There are destructable lights too and in many of the early levels if you destroy all the lights, emergency lights will turn on(which you can't destroy) as to make the early levels not too hard on yourself. Most of the areas are designed in such a way that lets you navigate it without the flashlight even and there's an adequate trail of lights, like the computer server leds will help guide you through the level. the flash light has a dual purpose, to help see you what you are doing and to restrict your offensive power so you have to make tactical decisions and this can add to the horror element. many of the enemies even have reaction to the flash light, such as imps… if you spot them where they were hiding in the shadows with the flashlight, they will jump out because their ambush has failed, otherwise they will wait to ambush you. I really wish more games would use the darkness but it is just uncommon.

I always forget what I want to include in this threads and then I remember weeks later. I like cloth physics I guess. Cloth physics would've been enough for Dark Souls Remastered to be an instant buy for me.

>>14993024

And what's the most difficult ? Making shadows or making everything shiny ?

>>14992818

I wish bethesda did more with what doom 3 was rather than make it into what nu-doom is now.

Until a game can let me sense pressure changes in the atmosphere to detect presence and movement in the dark like in real life, I prefer playing my visual medium with actual visuals.

>>14993112

>Until a game can let me sense pressure changes in the atmosphere to detect presence and movement in the dark like in real life, I prefer playing my visual medium with actual visuals.

Fallacious argument. Most "true dark" scenes in games have at least one light source (torches, flashlight.etc) to compensate and are effectively your "6th sense" as you would have in real life

>>14992974

>probably, it would be scary for younger players

Doom 3 came out in 2004, 14 years ago, you were a young fag too 14 years ago

>>14993133

yes i was

>>14993125

The idea of using a torch or flashlight in a combat scenario is the height of retardation anyway, it severely limits your ability to detect movement outside the light cone\radius while giving your exact position away to any enemies in viewing distance. People watch too many movies.

>>14992897

Those are reinforced lamps. Normal ones do shatter.

>>14993166

I know they are reinforced, it's still ridiculous for them to be grenade-proof.

>>14992818

Looking down and seeing your legs.

>>14993367

>darkness is actually dark

>environments get fucked by firefights

Time to go replay FEAR.

i will immediately stop playing a game if i feel shoehorned into any style of play, as long as there is nothing keeping me there (challenge, story, etc.)

Nothing pisses me off more than trying to use a 2 handed axe and then not being able to teleport, things like that. I'm not super autistic, I can always keep it within the context of the game, but once I feel like the developers made a point to go "this is how this should be" i just turn the shit off. Remarkably it's kept my tastes pretty refined and saved me lots of time.

>>14993580

>Low key, realistic violence, or just a lack of particle effects when hitting someone

>FPS where your default melee attack is ridiculously strong

>Always loved clone characters as a kid, for some reason

>Button to ragdoll yourself

>>14993764

>FPS where your default melee attack is ridiculously strong

Forget this, how about FPS where your melee weapon is a thing you have to switch to, rather than just pressing the "melee" button?

Also,

>being able to hold most or every weapon in the game at the same time

>alt fire

>>14992835

Welcome to Frozen Outskirts, how can I help you?

Unique animations for how many bullets are left in a gun, such as only firing once with a double barrel shotgun or a belt fed lmg that still shows the three or four bullets being taken off.

Also I like seeing nearly dead enemies on the ground pull out a sidearm and keep trying to shoot me.

>>14992995

>smg and pistol have different size

>>14992995

I was actually pretty impressed with the wall destruction mechanic

>able to shoot out tiny holes and see if someone blocks it

It's nowhere near the game it should have been, but it's okay.

>>14994759

This makes some degree of sense since many SMGs do have longer barrel lengths than pistols. Even if they were firing the same round, the velocity (and thus the energy) of the SMG fired bullet would likely be higher and potentially take more of the wall with it. This does raise another question though, once bullets go beyond a certain velocity, and particularly with any AP rounds, they should just punch right through a wall leaving a hole the exact size or slightly bigger than the projectile; meaning that in some cases, slower, lower velocity, smaller bullets should leave bigger impacts since they would be stopped and deliver their entire energy payload and/or split and fragment all over the wall.

>>14992966

>spent bullet casing damages the enemy for 15hp until it cools down 5 seconds after being shot

>>14992837

To be fair, I think not having dynamic lights in Infinite is part of the artstyle of having everything look a bit like an impressionist painting rather than laziness.

On a slightly tangential note; what other games do have good dyamic lighting? The only one that comes to mind right now is STALKER.

Enemies stay dead.

big boob main characters instead of the token big boob side quest babe

>>14992818

I still really would love to see another attempt at a horror style Doom game like this. Its too bad the reboot didn't attempt to do this instead. I think with today's tech and some better thought out game mechanics, story and level design they can make something amazing with it.

As for your question, I like when games give you a description of things in the world no matter how pointless the info might be. I like being able to examine things in the world and it having at least some type of description.

>destructible/deformable terrain

Red Faction, Vigilante 8, and even the shit sandwich that was Buttholefilled 3.

>environmental hazards that you can lure/throw/knock the enemy into and still get experience, points, or whatever for their deaths

Magicka, Divinity: Original Sin, and even games with simple explosive barrels

>elemental attacks that make sense, stack, and synergize

I don't really like Magicka, but being able to cast a steam beam full of lightning is basically making a charged particle/plasma gun, and that's really fucking neato.

>different sound effects when you're on stone, metal, grass, gravel, snow, wet pavement, mud, and sand on foot or in a wheeled vehicle

When I hear a car's tires squeal on DIRT, I'm done. This is but one of the many reasons I quit watching (((television))).

>different effects to your mobility during the above

If I make a sharp turn at speed on a wet or snowy road, I expect an OH SHIT moment.

>the ability to learn skills that affect other skills in unexpected ways

Learning anatomy in Ultima Online had a massive effect on your combat damage and healing capabilities.

>enemies attacking other enemies

Siccing metroids on space pirates in Metroid Prime is always funny.

>>14994783

>>14994759

SMG ammunition is often loaded hotter than pistol ammunition of the same caliber. They also tend to have harder primers, making that ammunition more difficult to use with substandard pistols, sometimes failing to fire.

>>14995023

>>14995024

>>14995025

>>14995028

It's a damn shame, what Valve became.

>>14992874

Are there other games like this? Custom campaigns in l4d2 where everything is fucking dark were fun.

>>14993601

I so rarely see player characters having fun.

>>14995074

The level design sucked in the middle east area, but everything else was pretty great.

Status modifier that actually effects enemies,especially bosses.

>>14994819

I both like and dislike this. Most games you don't get much feedback as to which mag you're putting in next or if the partial one is next or at the end.

I absolutely adore games with in-game encyclopedias. Bonus points if you have some nifty little lore entries describing stuff that you could not present in the game itself.

>>14995800

>4th WebM

I remember being surprised when I noticed that the oil barrel gets empty in the first Crysis.

>>14995800

>Dark Messiah

Why can't devs just make solid games anymore? Dark Messiah was just as linear and had the same basic core as most forgettable trash shat out these days but it was actually fun.

>>14996048

Fun games are problematic because not all people are capable of having fun many of them are on this very board and that's fun-ableist.

>>14992874

>>14996138

In Doom 3 you don't wear a helmet for some reason. They could put a shoulder mount like in Half-Life and AVP. Though Quake 4 on the same engine had flashlights on guns, that you could toggle no less, no problem.

>>14996143

The vast majority of games are incredibly bland and only copy shit that's already been proven to work. Dark Messiah essentially took a formula done 1000x already, but added a bunch of weird quirks like OP as fuck spells, the kick, actually competent environment hazards and more.

>>14996138

>>14996149

Didn't BFG break the game (Among other things) when they added the option to have the flashlight in one hand and a gun in the other?

>>14996171

BFG edition has a 30 second flashlight mounted on your armor. On Quake 4 it was unlimited but you could only use it on the three weakest weapons.

>>14996048

You want the real reason? It's because the entire industry is a racket and if you actually do a good job you'll get fired faster than you can say gamergate. Companies will do anything to keep wages and customer standards down.

>>14992892

I miss gibs. That shit was always so satisfying when you'd hit another player or monster dead on with a rocket and that satisfying splatter sound as arms and legs fly everywhere.

The gib system in Soldier of Fortune was awesome. The models showed physical damage like >>14993580 wants, and damn I used to waste so much time and ammo just shooting the corpses apart.

>>14993580

I wanna RIP AND TEAR with a cute anime girl. That'd be pretty fun.

>>14993367

comfy as fuck dude. modern devs and new gamers don't understand this type of design

>>14993096

Doom 3's engine is open source. The community can make all the new content it wants.

>>14993608

That's different. There is context in thief and risk/reward to fighting enemies. You miss point entirely.

>>14996759

There's a ton of dipshits shitting on Thief lately because they can't play a stealth game unless they have game breaking magic powers. They do the same thing with stalker, deus ex, etc. They'd do it to Japanese games to if there wasn't an entire weeb army ready to jump down their throats.

>>14993144

Actually there are flashlights made for combat situations. They have variable light output and strobe functions, which are useful for blinding/disorienting enemy combatants. Most of them are also capable of being mounted to rifles.

Look up tactical flashlights. Cops, COs, and military use them.

>>14996048

For the very same reason they can't make good films. The industry surrounding it is a pozzed corporate shit hole and the process of creation is too complicated for independent individuals. Maybe some days making games will become easier.

>>14996629

All the tools were there since the begining, long before the engine was open sourced. This was the era when game engines were good enough to produce really intricate games and custom content flourised. There were plenty of mods and maps back then for d3; now though the rate of content creation is at a trickle despite the open source nature… One can assume a loss of interest, the barrier is higher compared to say… doom 1+2 and quake 1.. the current generation of consumer is far less interested in creating their own thing and more passively a consumer… honestly I should start making my own, it's a great engine that combines the aesthetic element of half-life but with good action and atmosphere, i've made my own shit before, but only to a small extent

>>14995615

This so much.

After just about every game ever made decided it's too dangerous to let me add status modifiers to any fight where it would actually make a difference, those rare moments where it actually does something are just so sweet.

I like when games have some kind of asymmetrical combat, dittos are boring.

>>14997360

add to this that marathon, despite being open source and public domain… does not have the basic features you expect from any modern or even 90s sourceports, you gotta have enough interest to spark it. there's various strategies for this but be careful you don't want another graf zahl

>>14992818

My absolute favourite thing about doom 3 is that your crosshair turns into a cursor when you use interact-able object, like when you put codes into doors. It does so much for immersion compared to something like far cry's door opening animation or just pressing use anywhere on a door.

When playing an "evil" run, having no NPC I can't attack.

Difficulty levels that aren't just dictating how many bullets an enemy can take to the face.

>>14998661

Off the top of my head I can't think of it being used anywhere else and it's a damn shame.

Doom 3 may have been a bad Doom game but it did a lot of things right and had some good ideas. Some of the uses of coloured dynamic lighting look good even today, tho tbf I use sikkmod but still. I need to fix my vive so I can try it in VR.

>>15002501

I think nuPrey does that, and despite being hated here it's a pretty impressive game that has a sweet detail I've never seen in a modern game: it maintains the exact position of every object in the entire game, if you drop a cup at the beginning and come back to that area 10 hours later, that cup will be in the exact same position you left it, same for every physics-enabled object, every corpse, every broken glass, every rock from the goo gun, etc.

>>14993173

coolness > realism

>>14993580

>gibs going away

This is probably the greatest sin of dead rising 4.

>>14994819

This kind of depends on the game, tacticool shooter should always have it, but stylish action games like Max Payne would be less fun because of it.

>>14997413

You ever play The Hidden: Source?

>>14998661

Mark is a gay fat autistic jew

>>15002899

the video makes me really sad. How can you remove features from a game just like that?

>>15002933

Because it was likely made within a year.

Modifier keys, like SHIFT + A to lean left. But only Looking Glass Studios possessed the arcane technological secrets necessary to implement such an exotic feature (that you can find any fucking program that isn't a game).

>>14993535

>look down

>see penis

>>15002550

nuPrey is actually a pretty decent game. It's the best Bioshock ever made. They should have just titled it Neuroshock and called it a day. I don't know what marketing genius' idea it was to use the name of a long awaited IP.

>>15003378

>I don't know what marketing genius' idea it was to use the name of a long awaited IP.

It was because of the fallout from the development of Prey 2

>>15003378

It did the game the opposite of a favor, that's what's goddamn certain. They could have had a solid franchise starter, instead they give the game free controversy/bad PR and forfeit the right to a new IP. Not to mention the title fitted the game like a glove fits a conveyor belt. Full fucking retard.

>>14992818

>>15003328

>lean down

So prone?

>>15003328

You understood him wrong, that anon meant binding actions to keys with modifiers, e.g. binding "moveleft" to "a", "moveright" to "shift+a", "moveforward" to "alt+a" and "moveback" to "ctrl+a".

>>15003859

>e.g. binding "moveleft" to "a", "moveright" to "shift+a", "moveforward" to "alt+a" and "moveback" to "ctrl+a".

Why the fuck would you want to do that? Keyboardfags will never understand ergonomics.

>>14992892

Unreal 1999 is pure kino

>>15004060

Because then (like the original anon said) you would be able to use WASD as a pseudo control pad for movement, then shift-WASD for leaning, maybe alt-WASD for walking, and so on. Or you could do the same with numbers, so 1, 2, and 3 would be your main weapons, shift-1, shift-2, and shift-3 could be secondary weapons, etc.

>>15004060

Because for many games the only alternative is binding almost every button on the keyboard to a command. Something like Battlezone would be unplayable without modifiers.

>>15003321

>tfw no modern, good tactical shooter

FUCK

ass and titty jiggle physex

>>15004060

>Giving a shit about ergonomics when you have all 10 of your fingers

Fucking ape

Shit like this.

>>15016182

>and fucking Riddick beats most of these shitty fucking games after 14 fucking years.

Damned straight. What a great game. That and KOTOR II were the only xbox games I actually replayed and had fun.

grayyyyphix don't mean shit when your primary gameplay sucks dick.

RPGs that have food as healing items, with descriptions of each item. Feels very comfy.

Item descriptions in general are always very welcomed, especially with unique plot items. Some games do this very well, Koudelka comes to mind.

>>15016086

Doesn't actually happen in game though.

I really like when the UI is part of the game, an acknowledged part of the world that can be affected by it

>>15016182

Probably because Riddick was an insanely High T video game with an actually good original story and had good social stealth gameplay and also high energy action scenes scattered throughout and even survival horror sections etc. Riddick was good modern game developers ingested too much soy and can't into "atmosphere" in their games because when they sit down to write a story the atmosphere is already tainted by their shit fueled brain.

>>15019193

When did light ever actually fuck people in these games? Even in the pitch black I can still sound out where these things are. The whole "Flashlight" gameplay is a fucking meme and half.

>>15019361

>What is team silent-the post

>>15003007

It's what happens when you squeeze the bottom line.

Money put into marketing takes away budget for the game, most have advertising cost anywhere from 2 thirds of the game to well over the the total cost of the actual game. The other thing which cuts into the development time and budget is in fact graphics so much time is spent on this there isn't enough time for anything else.

>>15019680

Modern developers are so inept that giving them more time and money would probably end you up with an even worse game somehow.

>>14992818

Well made bathrooms, working mirrors, flushable toilets, hand driers that come on if you get close enough, running water.

>>14993013

See Agony for ugly ass models obscured by 'muh darkness'

>>14993090

>you have to design a game to know what is enjoyable in a game

>you have to carve a statue before you can say whether a statue looks good or like shit

>you have do some roofing before you can say whether the roof is leaking

>you have to make a shit sandwich before you can say what it will taste like

Skippable cutscenes (kingdom hearts did this well, anytime anywhere, no need to see it first once)

interface which is fast (Tales of Games, atlus rpgs) unlike slow and tedious (Dragon Quest, I know they keep it for tradition but it really is obnoxious and slows down the pace of the game. I.e: churches, shops)

customizable controls (AM2R)

if you do x, the npc will react in a certain way. if you do y, it will react in a different way. Undertale did this well. Credit where credit is due.

Enemy is hit on the balls. The enemies grab their balls and agonize in pain. Enemy is hit on the shoulder, grabs his shoulder and reacts accordingly. Perfect Dark did this very well. Attention to detail really makes a better experience.

Sound Effects being satisfying. Music fitting the stage.

When atmosphere really weaves with gameplay (Hollow Knight, Super Metroid)

When story really intertwines with gameplay (Paper Mario did this well, where the climax of a chapter happens as the boss starts, with a twist or character development or finding the vital clue that solves the puzzle)

When the rival enemy has the same abilities as you, or plays with the same mechanics or meta game

What I enjoy from Fire Emblem is how final stages have ample space for all your units to show what they're made of, and you proudly see them wrecking shit and the fruits of their grinding. Even better when final stage has chapters where each character showcases themselves with their mechanic or their unique usefulness. Hotline Miami did this well with the Roller Mobster stage and the masked gang raiding the building.

I like it when the game throws you a plot twist or plot thickening curve and shit hits the fan towards a direction you were not expecting. It is very important not to be predictable or predictably structured in your narrative. If you smell from chapters away "this spiky haired npc will be your party member, calling it" then the plot is weak and predictable. You have to make sure the world is threatening, actions have consequences, and also very important in general, your actions actually matter, but in 2018 that level of effort doesn't exist. At the very least, if you're making an rpg with a set story, make the story good always keeping you in your toes, and most importantly satisfying. everything should be satisfying. every npc interaction, every npc dialogue, every quest reward. That's what's so good about paper mario and Chrono trigger, to throw some examples, and about sakaguchi's FF

A soundtrack that becomes iconic, because it knows how to be so. Using main theme on final boss variant, a mix of all stage themes, etc. Make sure the music is memorable, again, everything has to be enjoyable, intertwined, so the player expects every interaction to be a treat.

>>15020860

The interface in Dragon Quest wouldn't be nearly as slow if you didn't have to mash through 5 dialogue boxes each time you try to do anything. Class changing in 9 especially is just annoying.

>>14992993

kek

>>15020554

anon is saying that's what happened to team silent

>>14996138

>2nd pic

I fucking wish that this is what the new Doom movie is going to be

>>15021324

Every post just gives me new hate for fairy fags.

>>15020554

I'm not spoonfeeding actual knowledge about good video game developers to replace your regurgitated bullshit. Look it up yourself and de-brainwash your ass.

>>15021408

Extending on this, scars from previous battles staying on. Some games like Bioshock Infinite or RE4 had scars stay from wounds gained in cutscenes, but Fable is the only one I know that had you keep scars if you died too much.

>>15021440

Whats its like to be obnoxiously autistic?

>>15021387

What, just for complaining about the lack of content?

>>15021387

Nothing wrong with nature's onaholes.

>>15021468

More like nature's urethral beads. You ever seen how tiny those fuckers are?

>>14995615

The Trails games do this. It's so satisfying putting like 5 status effects on the enemy with a single blow if you equipped your orbment right, and the effects can be really useful to survive tough boss fights