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It's 100% nostalgia bro.

Nah man 3d models 4lyfe. Enjoy your static cardboard cutouts.

>Anyone else prefer older Pokemon stuff to newer Pokemon stuff?

Is this your first week here? Is this your first time on the internet in general?

Only gen 6 and 7 games had 3d models. Gens 1 through 5 were all sprites, bro. Or do you mean gameboy/nes 8 bit sprites in particular?

Crystal was the last good pokemon game.

The gen 2 games had the best aesthetic, the music and art style were both top-notch. It's a shame Johto itself was so lacking.

>>14961113

replaying after the beta leaked makes it seem a little unpolished in ways that make sense now. In the original version the starting towns of Silent Hills was across a small 10 tilelong water route west of Pallett Town so of course Oak can go do a radio show all the time, but in the retail build it means hes crossing a mountain range with no pokemon.

>>14961026

I prefer when everything was sprites.

>Anyone else prefer when Pokemon was sprites?

Yes

The current 3d models are kinda bland and soulless so yeah.

I preferred when it was 2D, not 2.5D or 3D, but I don't necessarily think it needed to be sprites; imagine a Pokemon game done in a Saga Frontier 2 watercolour style or a Pokemon game done by Vanillaware.

>>14961036

I don't think it's nostalgia, I played Pokemon Red and Keitai Denjuu Telefang on an emulator (never had a real gameboy) and also had the same feeling.

>>14961064

Gen 4 had horrid sprites and gen 5 was the same with awful low budget tweening. Gen 3 was the last gen with good sprites.

Visual clarity. Sometimes less is more. Plus, with simpler art tends to come snappier animation, less time faffing about.

>>14961044

>static cardboard cutouts.

That's how the 3DS pokemon models feel to me. They are lifeless compared to the models and animations we got on the N64.

>>14978693

The problem is that they have to make like 700+ of the things, and then animate them all too. Game Freak just doesn't have the time or resources to make them look good when they have that much to do.

I think pokemon is a series that would benefit from a hard reboot. It's become so bloated over the years, they should wipe it all clean and start fresh. A new region, new monsters, new mechanics.

>>14978791

>I think pokemon is a series that would benefit from a hard reboot. It's become so bloated over the years, they should wipe it all clean and start fresh. A new region, new monsters, new mechanics.

You're not wrong, but the problem is their fanbase is fucking hardcore autistics. Getting rid of all the Lucarios and gardevoirs, that rabbit thing, and whatever else these faggots jack off to would probably be suicide.

Sprite-based graphics > 3D yes

however Mystery dungeon beats all mainline pokemon by miles, namely Explorers

You guys are missing the real problem here. Pokemon was best in 2D not because of your stupid nostalgia. It was best in 2D because after 5 fucking different game engines they not only hit on a working formula but they polished everything else. Gen 1-4 all had pretty big paradigm shifts that fundamentally changed how battle worked. Gen 5 didn't. It was the first of what I call the "gimmick" era but it has two major advantages that set it apart from the 3D era. Firstly it was on the DS, which Game Freak was very much used to and was probably similar enough to the GBA that they had a good jumping off point. Secondly the "gimmick" was jamming as much content as they could in the game. More Pokemon than ever and an entire third of the region locked behind post-game are probably the best gimmicks they could possibly have. They also managed to make a decent, self-reflective story for once, which is better than the absolute minimum they'd been getting by with for ages. Gen 6 shows me that Game Freak was not entirely ready for the jump to 3D. People say the reason there are only like 70 new Pokemon in it is because they want quality over quantity, but I'm more convinced that it takes them too fucking long to make many more new 3D models. Also why one of the gimmicks in Gen 6 and 7 is new forms for old Pokemon, it expedites the design process. I appreciate that they wanted to make really high quality models they could use for years, but the 3DS just can't fucking handle them, especially given we know GF isn't the best at making things work. I should also note that they didn't add walking animations for every Pokemon until Gen 7, which I guess ties in with the fact that they gave up on the chibi overworld models, but that only raises further questions. All I really think the 3D models need are better animations and maybe textures. In conclusion if we get a good director I'm sure we'll get another really good Pokemon game by Gen 10.

The games felt slow since the jump to 3D.

>>14961026

I feel like people would make fun of it if it were still completely 2D.

>CY+3

>still 2D

<lol nintendrones

It gave me more room to use my imagination. Now Pokemon relies too much on cutscenes and over abundance of dialogue so I'm stuck with a very linear storytelling experience where I'm automatically a compassionate guy who agrees with everyone and am always in a perpetual good mood while being unable to imagine my own scenarios while playing.

>>14978538

This essentially. Also the newer designs all have that weird oval/round aesthetic.

>>14978939

>They also managed to make a decent, self-reflective story for once, which is better than the absolute minimum they'd been getting by with for ages

What are you talking about? That's one of the main reasons gen V was bad. A long-winded story has no place in a mainline pokemon game. I find the recent games almost unplayable because they won't leave me the fuck alone and let me play the game, they alway have to shove some inane dialogue from a character I don't care about every 10 minutes.

Don't get me wrong, I like games with a lot of dialogue, but it doesn't belong in Pokemon because it should be a game about your own adventure, not the adventure the developers wrote for you.

>>14979013

>Listening to what console war shitposters say

shiggy diggy

>>14979070

>middle right creature

Who's that Pokemon? It's… Calartsmon!

>>14979063

>Crabrawker

Much better, except the mouth. Otherwise perfect.

>>14979080

I always appreciated Gen 4 for Tangrowth, but after seeing it was originally going to look like in the beta of gen 2, I can't help but be upset.

>>14979080

>gen 5 introduced hidden abilities which greatly benefited some old pokemon in battling

You missed the fact that Gen 4 added new abilities to Pokemon too, and further generations have changed that too. It's not a paragim shift, it's a minor change that you skimmed over in every other Gen. Not to mention it's barely used in-game, while every other mechanic greatly influences your playtrhough whether you use it or not. Let's be real here, you never used hidden abilities in Black and White, barely used them in B2W2, and your opponents never used them. Again, compare that to how battles impacted by every other generation. It's a good thing not to innovate sometimes, sometimes you just need to polish what is there. Hidden abilities are polish.

>gen 6 introduced mega evolution which beefed up classic pokemon into powerhouses

Ignoring the fact that only a few Pokemon that weren't already strong got stronger, this is what I'd call a gimmick. It's rare that you don't want a Pokemon to go Mega immediately, it's just an upgrade like a regular evolution but incredibly limited.

>gen 7 introduced that z-move stuff that could hit hard in battle

Z-Moves are less of a gimmick, but a once a battle panic button isn't what I'd call a major upgrade.

>>14979081

What are you talking about? The only cutscene heavy part of the game is around the end where the Plasma plot really picks up. Compare it to Ohmori's games and you'll see how different the use of interruptions is. Then again I was able to ignore all the cutscenes added to Heart Gold when I played it so I just have more tolerance for this shit.

>>14979174

>Minus Sun/Moon. Fuck that shit.

SM (and especially USUM) are so much better than XY that I'm pretty sure you're retarded. Unless you really like the PSS, which is understandable that was really good.

>>14979280

I've never played Yo-Kai Watch, how is it similar?

>>14961079

newer pokemon generations were a mistake.

I think old school sprite pokemon felt a lot more natural. When everything is a sprite you feel it's just a representation and proportions and the sizes of areas don't really break the immersion. In the newer 3d games everything feels more cramped because of the more realistic style. The sprites feel more like an overworld map, whereas the 3d models feel like they're supposed to actually be in this underpopulated world with narrow corridors (even in forests).

>>14979280

I have no idea why anyone thought YoKai was ever going to popular anywhere else but Japan, the ghosts aren't really that diverse and too based on nip lore for anyone else to really give a shit.

>>14979330

10's = 90's > 00's > 80's

>>14979289

Possibly Marshadow's design.

>>14979080

Mega evos prove not one single person at gamefreak knows what they're doing, so they make new temporary evos giving them a massive buff but instead of giving them to weaker Pokemon who struggle to compete they instead give them to those that are already stupidly over powered creating an even larger gap.

I'm honestly convinced gamefreak have gotten where they are now due to sheer dumb luck.

>>14979330

80's >>>>>>>> 90's > 10's >>>>> 2000's

>>14979330

90s>80s>10s>00s

>>14979330

90's >>> 2000's >>> 80's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.2010's

>>14979618

As someone who liked Gen 3 the best, I agree. It set everything up to become progressively worse, rather than trying to add on to what was already there. It also started the trend of "same shit as before but slightly different", so entire swathes of Pokemon are just clones of archetypes set up in Gen 1 and 2. Obviously Gen 4 was the worst in the series, but you can thank Gen 3 for starting the trends all the other games just hammered in.

>>14979159

Starting with gen 3, pokemon could only have a possible maximum of "2" abilities. Starting with gen 5's introduction of hidden abilities, that possible maximum got bumped to 3. And just about every pokemon received an extra ability at that (those with only 2 before could now possibly have 3 options; those with only 1 before could now possibly have 2). While this simple increase of possible options may not be impressive by itself, some hidden abilities are sometimes just too damn good and have turned a few lucky pokemon (like the Speed Boost that turned Blaziken into a great sweeper alone, for example) into far more viable battlers than they previously were.

>>14979378

It was a mix of weak and strong pokemon that receive Mega Evolutions. For the weak Charizard that was extremely weak to Stealth Rock, his powerful X and Y megas saved him the embarrassment of ever running a Bellyzard set again. For others like the almighty Rayquaza, its mega turned a massive threat into a broken monstrosity. I don't mind because Rayquaza has always been my favorite pokemon, anyways. I'm not saying that it balanced the game one bit, but megas were usually bestowed to fan favorite pokemon and put them on steroids.

>>14979330

It's like watching her soul getting sucked out. You can see her will to live dissipate from panel to panel.

>>14980839

I'm not saying new abilities didn't effect the metagame. I'm saying everything effects the metagame. Are you really going to equate Blaziken to Wobuffet in Pokemon buffed by abilities? Again, Gen 4 added second abilities to some Pokemon that only had one. You only care about hidden abilities because it's Game Freak making up for the fact that they power creeped older Pokemon. Again, to use the Blaziken example, it was inferior to Infernape until it got Speed Boost. No fundamental change was made, if instead Blaziekn got a move that automatically increased speed every turn it was in battle you wouldn't be saying shit about how important hidden abilities were. Despite being gimmicks Megas and Z-moves at least are a big mechanical change, a paradigm shift. Hidden abilities mean as much as Flareon getting moves.

>>14981161

Fun fact, most of the best and most popular Pokemon were apparently designed by Atsuko Nishida, the only woman Pokemon designer on the team. On the other hand most of the worst and boring designs were made by Ken Sugimori.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Altruis/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_their_designers

On the other hand, take this with a grain of salt since it has no sources, this other page has sources and contradicts some of the stuff.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SnorlaxMonster/Designers

The only designers who are consistently open with which Pokemon they designed are James Turner and Hitoshi Ariga, so I guess determine your opinion based on that.

I mostly only care about Pokemon because of the competitive side. However, on a game-by-game basis, there has been a degrading quality since Generation 2, with peaks in quality at various points(PLAT-BW2)

I preferred when pokemon was good.

>>14981393

>Fun fact, most of the best and most popular Pokemon were apparently designed by Atsuko Nishida

All that lists is Pikachu and Eevee evolutions, if Sugimori didn't design the earlier generations then who did? That's all I give a shit about.

>>14981489

Sugimori only did the final versions of them, and continues to do so. Making a Pokemon is a team effort. They come up with various ideas, put them through different designs, before they hit on the right one, then Sugimori does an official design for it. You can see this process very clearly with the leaked version of Pokemon Gold and Silver.

>>14981552

That's how it usually works with companies, all of this shit is a team effort, once specific people get picked out for their egos it all goes to hell.

>>14981668

Thankfully it seems that Sugimori has actually dropped off in relevance, aside from standardizing designs. He only seems to design legendary Pokemon now, and couldn't even do the box legends for XY on his own. Similarly, Nishida mostly designs cute Pokemon and Eeveelutions. Honestly James and Ariga have some cool ideas for Pokemon, even if they have a couple duds. Fun Fact: James Turner's first Pokemon design was Shadow Lugia back when he worked at Genius Sonority.

>>14978285

I am very worried for the Japanese youth of today. Due to things like cram schools they basically have no time whatsoever to go on adventures, have fun, collect precious memories and just live their life. Instead it's constant schooling 24/7, it doesn't surprise me at all that the suicide rate is so high, it's very depressing.

>>14961026

Yes, the newer games simply don't have the same charm to them.

>>14978791

>Game Freak just doesn't have the time or resources to make them look good when they have that much to do.

Pokemon is one of the biggest gaming franchises of all time and it made them fucking billions of dollars, saying it prints money is a huge understatement.

>>14981741

>Shadow Lugia

I imagine he went to the Pokemon Fighting Academy.

>>14981833

But all I'm really getting from this is that the designs aren't specifically made by anyone, it was all a company-work production, that's how it usually happens, the problems are the zombie products that it produces.

>>14981886

Because the first two games were better managed than the later ones, the staff changed in-between or management changed.

>>14979063

Is that top one real?

>>14979330

80's and 2010's are best. 90's and 00's were too busy and had weird eyes.

with most gens, it's usually not pure nostalgia driving their popularity

the only exceptions to this are Gens 1 and especially gen 2 as they've had objectively superior remakes

preferring gen 2 to HGSS is always nostalgiafagging

>>14981962

No it's fanmade art of Crabrawler a gen 7 pokemon in gen 1 style

>>14982024

I dunno, while I do prefer HGSS to Crystal, I appreciate Gen 2 aesthetically. Then again I really like the late GBC aesthetic, and Gen 2 is inferior mechanically. Compare that to RSE and ORAS where the aesthetics are better because RSE looks terrible and sounds meh, while all the balancing choices are worse despite the mechanical upgrade. Those secret bases though, I love them.

>>14982010

>90s

>not weird eyes

90s anime looked fucking retarded

>>14982060

But is that gen 7 monstrosity real?

>>14982075

Yes

>>14982071

That's what I said. 90's is the worst one.

>>14982083

Looks like a fucking Family Guy character.

>>14982092

Crabrawler is one of the worst Gen 7 Pokemon. The evolution is even worse.

>>14982098

Budgets got smaller they started using Jew tactics to animate instead of doing it the Akira way

>>14982098

Your pic is the result of switching from traditional painting which required time and a room full of actual artists, to digital coloring in which the cel-lines are drawn and color coded beforehand and an untrained monkey uses the literal fill-bucket tool to color.

>>14982098

90's looks like ass. It's like someone poorly tried to imitate the 80's style.

>sensible shading becomes big gouge marks on the face

>big square eyes

>whatever is going on with that nose

>hair that you could cut yourself on

>>14979063

The redesign actually looks cool, it even mimics the water color design.

>>14982341

Ironically modern Pokemon games' 3D models' textures and to a lesser extent the weird border around all Pokemon seem to be trying to replicate the watercolor look. Instead it just looks washed out. I dunno why they thought it was a good idea for Gen 7, they could have fixed that shit. Let's Go isn't mainline but it seems not much has changed there.

3D ages like women.

>>14978844

Last time i checked they were fapping to every pokemon, the trainers, the moms, the professors, the only thing i've yet to see them fapping is to the cartridges, getting rid of all they fap would mean that gamefreak would have to close down and even then people would probably still fap to that.

>>14979133

I wonder at which point pokemon dropped the whole westen look to go full anime

>>14981757

I think adults in japan sneak into the office after hours to keep working even when they are ordered to rest more due fear of being fired and then end up living like rats that only leave the hideout after most of the people have gone to sleep Because no one wants to hire someone who was fired since they train kids even before they leave highschool to only focus on their future work, doing only one job for the rest of their lives and about the sucide rate, iirc the issue is that it doesn't go down and the youth is more into working themselves to death that having a life or even kids, i wonder how long will take for the japanese to go extinct.

>>14982432

>I wonder at which point Pokemon dropped the whole western look to go full anime

Given Ken Sugimori's early work seems a lot like Dragon Ball, pretty early on.

>>14982408

If they were going to copy the colors they should have actually given the game animations that didn't look static as fuck.

>>14982641

Really, the biggest problem with the models is the idle animations are too idle. People make fun of Archeops for looking really retarded but it struggling to fly is at least kind of a personality.

>>14982716

Not saying it isn't important, it is. So is expanding the movepool. Or upgrading stats of a few Pokemon that got power creeped. But it's not a fundamental change to the base gameplay like held items, special split, changed type matchups, complete overhaul of stats, abilities, physical special split, or once per battle powerups changed the game.

>>14961026

What would be the best pokemon game to play if I haven't played since Red/Blue/Yellow? I wanna hop on the nostalgia train.

>>14982801

Polished Crystal for a contained experience without many mons.

B&W2 using Drayano's hacks for gen5(the best one gameplay wise) but made even better.

Gen6 and 7 don't seem to have good enough romhacks yet but you can check.

>>14982801

I recommend HGSS. For a few extra cutscenes you get a ton of extra content. If you like HGSS you'll probably like Gen 5. Again, a few more cutscenes and if none of the over 150 new Pokemon that you're forced to use instead of the old ones do it for you it could put you off, but there's a lot of good stuff there too. If you'd rather try hacks than the base games, >>14982854 probably gives better advice.

>>14982854

>Polished Crystal

Anon how do I download this

>>14985430

>we're

were

>>14985424

It's on github. You can download 2.2 patches from there, if you want to play the beta for 3.0 you'll have to compile it yourself.

>>14985720

Beta 3.0 is the one that overcomes the 255 Pokemon limit, right? That's a pretty big deal, isn't it?

>>14985789

People have been able to do it for years, the only reason it's big is because the creator a dumbass and decided it was more important to bring gen 3 and up evolutions back to Crystal and cut out 12 gen 1 and 2 mons to do it.

It's also apparently more of a rebalance version for the pokemon as well, like Sunflora becoming Fire/Grass type.

>>14961026

The new 3D look is pig disgusting. Up til Gen V it's alright, I preferred the pull 2D look, but 3D models of the newer games are just complete ass.

>>14985789

How do I figure out which ones are good out of the new 154?

>>14985910

>>14985989

I will fight you.

Admittedly I haven't played gen 4 in nearly a decade so my memory of the ost is non-existant. Those you posted were pretty good.

>>14985923

You mean in Polished Crystal? I'm not even certain what's even in it, actually. I'd say experiment, see what's good and change your team as needed. You mean Gen 5? Same thing, but I can absolutely say you can skip out on a lot of early game common Pokemon and those stupid monkeys.

>>14979063

There's still too much detail on krabby, make that mouth a single curve with the teeth and remove the first joint of the arms and it might look the part.

I also miss the sprites of olden days

These new 3d models are kinda goofy looking

>>14961026

I agree fully. Gen 2 held a certain kind of magic for me. I've been replaying Crytal recently and I'm amazed at how much I still like it. The music is amazing, the day/night system is super comfy, the pokemon are interesting, and there's a bit of a challenge. I thought I was growing out of the Pokemon series, but I think it's just the modern art style of it.

>>14986372

Yeah, I really like Gale of Darkness. If you don't like Gen 3's mechanics it won't change your mind, double battles all the time are pretty great.

>>14986436

Everything you said is completely wrong and I have no idea what you mean. People like XD better for all the extra content, barely anything was removed, and I have never met anybody who prefers an original to a third version. The biggest argument is B2W2 and people still like that more than they do BW sometimes.

>>14986372

Stealing other people's pokemon is fun, being only allowed to steal other bad guys pokemon is not as fun though. You have a very limited pool of pokemon to use so I hope you like eeveelutions and gen 3 pokemon. I also hope you like double battles.

>>14986463

I've met plenty who prefer Colosseum since the Pokemon variety was much more limited, and was almost exclusively Johto shitmons so you had to put a tiny bit of thought into how you used your team. Or, you know, power through with just Espeon and Umbreon.

I do like Gale of Darkness for adding more shadow moves, making more doubles strats as bosses or for you to try yourself, and for giving almost every Pokemon a unique move they can not learn anywhere else.

>>14986740

>>14986676

Battle Sims alone make it worth it. Oddly enough Pokestar Studios of all things is a spiritual sequel to that concept.

Not too long ago I finally got a Pokemon with all the ribbons I could possibly get on it. It was a Claydol I got from Gale of Darkness named Trophy.

>>14986774

They really were great.

James Turner needs to direct a fucking pokemon game. I notice he had the most influence on G5 and it showed.

>>14986787

James Turner is alright, but I don't think he'd be a great director of a Pokemon game. Harmoknight was alright, but it's not amazing. As for his influence on Gen 5, I kind of doubt it. He was brought on the team as a 3D guy, but Gen 5 only really did some of the environments in 3D if I recall. I doubt he did more than contribute some ideas. Takao Unno directed B2W2, but really that just goes to show that with an extra year and not Masuda in charge they can make the game even better. Heck, BW was Masuda's best game if you look at it. Despite 3D being his main talent, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he might not be the best director of a 3D Pokemon game. If he blows me out of the water with a third version or remake or something, I might agree with you. As it stands I blame him and everybody at Genius Sonority and HAL for fucking up Crobat's 3D model so badly. Nobody deserves those teeth.

>>14986844

Alright. Point taken, at least we agree the games are the apex.

>crobat

Wh-What?

Sprites are superior for 2D games, although I prefer actually good RPGs in the first place.

>>14986921

😂

>>14961026

I dont give a fuck about that, i just want a game that is not on fucking easy mode and a nice story.

>>14986935

I, AM, THE GREAT MIGHTY POO AND I'M GONNA THROW MY SHIET AT YOU

Jesus christ that's hilarious, how is his X/Y model?

>>14986935

Really? I didn't play them but I heard USUM were disappointing.

>>14986957

They were compared to SM, but if you skip them and go directly to USUM, then you'll have a moderately good time except for the character development

>>14986987

What if I don't care about any of the characters and just want to explore a world and have adventures?

>>14987262

Unfortunately you're going to stuck behind cutscenes and literal roadblocks a lot. I think somebody made a mod that lets you skip cutscenes if you want that. It's really unfortunate but I'm pretty sure shit like how Kanto was structured was a mistake given how every other game constantly railroads you down the main path, with only a few optional side areas. Pokemon was never particularly non-linear but after Gen 5 it's gotten worse. At least in BW surf opened up several extra areas which was very nice. The only optional areas in Gen 7 is the desert and the lake of fucking nothing.

>>14978538

Gen 1ers are retarded.

>>14987330

If you're trying to grind in Gen 5 you're making a mistake, it has experience scaling so the game forces you into a certain level range.

>>14987347

>>14987349

We have IDs here you retard.

>>14986058

I'm fairly certain >>14985989 intended this, but those webms were both SiIvaGunner rips of their original respective songs. Though, even the originals are both awesome, including nearly every other song on the soundtrack. Gen 4's soundtrack was the absolute pinnacle of Pokemon soundtracks. insaneintherain's jazz covers prove this, embed related.

I like the sprite games better because I can actually emulate them above 20 fps.

>>14982098

Soy

>>14987938

>people can't post picks of kids w/o being accused of being pedo

friendly reminder that the getting men to be not trusted around kids and having men being afraid of that is one of ((their)) tactics

>>14988051

Look at the third picture. That's fullgay.

>>14986436

>Play Xtra Dimensional before Colosseum though, for the biggest impact.

I'd recommend the opposite, as Colosseum is much harder to get into and replay than it's sequel. Although I played GoD first before playing Colosseum.

>>14987347

Gen1 is the only real Gen, everything else is gay shit, fuck you.

>>14988078

>How fucking naive are you? You should be keen enough to what shotaposting is indicative of

That people wanna be kids again?

Pretty sure that is what I've heard about when it comes to ss IIRC

>>14988263

Red/Blue Gen 1 is the worst one before X/Y SuMo and DiaPer

>>14988263

>old game on old tech has tech issues in it

Oh no what a horrible thing

Not like Gen 2 didn't fix most of these issues and more and is still well loved by most Gen 1 people.

>>14988263

That's not really important for the first game because nobody knew how anything worked. You just had to guess.

>>14988279

https://gbatemp.net/threads/pokemon-neo-x-neo-y.388272/

X and Y has been redeemed. SUCK IT gen 1ers.

>>14988279

At the very least with Gen 1 you could tell they tried, it just so happened that they were retarded.

>>14988282

No, Game Freak is just retarded. If you need evidence of that check out the Spaceworld demo. It's a goddamn mess, it's basically no wonder they scrapped everything but some of the Pokemon. I'm honestly more surprised there are good Pokemon games.

>>14988282

Honestly, Game Freak should retire Pokemon like Capcom did with Megaman. It would be for the better.

>>14988293

They had a lot of support to make their good pokemon games.

>>14988292

ss is different how? (besides the situation)

Both could be excused as imaging yourself as the kid man.

>>14988299

>retire a money printing machine when it is still making money

yeah not happening til it stops making money.

Pokemon is for children

>>14988322

This is why Game Freak needs to make a game that normalfags can't play so that it can fuck off and die.

>>14979330

>actually it went to shit like everything

fixed

>>14981953

>replying to (1) and done underage bait

>Is it because we were conditioned to appreciate low resolution choppy visuals in our childhood

I guess that might make sense, but I think it's mostly

>Does a simpler presentation mean your brain isn't working as hard, and allows you to take in the setting more intuitively

I find older games are easier on the eyes because new games are just cluttered and over detailed as fuck. The easiest example I can think of is always Crysis 2 because it was fucking hell to navigate even with that marker thing you get. (i think? it's been a while) Everything looks the same and the rubble and shit everywhere clutters up the screen so much I can't see where to go

>>14982328

The kid's (i don't which guy it is dont bully) design sure, but the 2016 version looks low energy. It looks like the emotion in the last 4 panels has been sucked out.

>>14988328

Digimon > Pokemon

>>14988328

So is wrestling, most movies, imageboards.

>>14988344

Aren't both shotafags considering both are imaging themselves as a kid anyway? Just for different reasons.

personally I think ss is more degenerate IMO as well but whatever.

Gen1 is top tier… every1 whos played it knows it… next is gen2.. it goes in order

>>14988396

>My point is that someone's reason for imagining himself as a kid is more important

Oh really huh?

Well considering how the pics posted so far in this thread are just about a bunch of kids hanging out I fail to see how remembering that at one time you were able to hang out with your friends is so bad anon.

>>14988483

Friendly reminder that you might just have this issue as well:

>>14988138

>>14979063

This image is trying to make a statement but both of those look really good

And crabrawler is one of the worst gen 7 designs in the first place

>>14961026

I've been preferring the first two gen sprites look even since I was a kid. By the time gen 3 came out I started to idk I guess outgrow Pokemon. However I still thought the third gen sprite look was still good. It was just at the limit I felt though. Any better and it just wasn't Pokemon anymore to me. My favorite looks for the game is the first two gens equally with the third gen look being a tad less as good to me. Really all what they should maybe have improved was adding those moving sprites during battles. Even better though that none of the games did, make the battles look like actually tough fights during battle. Basically what I mean is how the intro here from Red and Blue looks is how the fights could have looked like. Perhaps even better than this though, make them look like the anime battles only done with sprites.

I get why they didn't ever do this. It would be hard to implement on such hardware these handhelds had. Plus gamefreak was always a shitty developer anyways. Of course the simple battles obviously worked well since the games sold tens of millions. What I'm asking for is such an impossible fantasy even if it is totally possible to do if that makes sense.

>>14989471

This>>14979330 Looks nothing like Toriyama's style.

>>14987918

You trolling? Gen 4's soundtrack is the worst in the series (as with almost everything…). Only a few good tunes like Stark Mountain or Cyrus' theme.

>>14987411

>tfw never got to have adventurous childhood, because everyone was terrified of letting kids out of their sight due to paedo panic

>had to play video games instead

Now look at me

>>14986893

Do you think it would be better if they went out of their way to obscure the technical stuff? Maybe don't even show stats and numbers, try to make it all feel organic?

>>14982071

jesus christ fucking learn to read retard. your reading comprehension is shit and you seriously should fucking leave this place and never return.

>>14989876

I was happier when I didn't now what IV's/EV's natures etc were.

>>14990040

>now

know*

>>14990416

<yesterday

<thread full of people I agree with

<today

<thread full of people I disagree with

>>14990416

One very loud and obnoxious person does not the the thread represent

>>14989766

No, I'm absolutely not trolling. Everything, from the route themes, the town themes, and the major battle and champion themes are all the best we've ever had. So many great, wonderful melodies, lots of great background voices / counter melodies to give them body… I don't know how you could say Gen 4 is the worst when Gen 6 exists, where nearly every single theme but the champion theme and Snowbelle City are entirely forgettable, generic-sounding fake orchestra.

are genwunners the boomers of the pokemon fandom?

>>14992114

Only Steel and Dark.

>>14992118

Leave them blank like a normal person

>>14992125

But I like the Alolan Sandslash, faggot.

>>14992151

So put it in gen 7 like how you put mega Sableye in gen 6 when it was introduced

>>14992165

Maybe I can do that, but you're looking like a genwunner autistic tbh.

>>14992118

>Steel

>Magnemite and Magneton

>>14992175

I don't like them

>>14992173

It's a gen7 mon you assblasted retard.

>>14961127

Or he uses a pokemon with fly.

>>14992032

<meme

Did you use a generator for this or copypaste images? I'm not autistic enough to do the latter.

Pretty good taste.

>>14992101

Boomers are Gen 3ers.

>>14992241

He means by release date, you fucking autist.

>>14990416

Pokemon Prism's current team is made by cucked SJWs. LoL.

I say Gen 4 was the start of the decline because it bought so much cancerous fan-fiction and edgy legend pokemon to the series.

>>14992653

Gen 3 was the best gen. The only downside is the lack of a day and night cycle from gen 2 which many rom hackers figured out how to implement quickly.

>Best legendary Pokemon in the series.

>Best endgame that has a decent amount of content without being too short or too long.

>Contains Emerald Version which has one of the best end game zones, the Battle Frontier.

>Contains a region that is larger than Kanto and Johto.

>Hoenn contains a vast majority of different landscapes ranging from the vast seas to the beaches to the deserts.

>Added abilities which added much depth into the game.

>Has some of the most iconic designs in the series as opposed to Gen 2's vast majority of worthless Pokemon like Stantler.

>Doesn't need a second region tacked on to be good. Ever thought what Gen 2 would be like without Kanto? Tiny as hell.

>Has not just one villainous teams but two teams.

>Brought back Kanto but with better graphics.

>>14995277

I don't know what you expected from group of faggots that call themselves RainbowDevs and when their main community hub is fucking Reddit.

Majority of game is fine. Too bad that former main dev was unable to finish it because of Nintendo DMCA.

>>14990416

>Pokemon Reborn

Gameplay is one of best I saw in Pokemon fan games, but everything else is pure tumblr.

>Pokemon Full Moon

I didn't heard about that one.

However, I admit that game PC reeks of OC donut steel at dev website.

>Pokemon Dark Rising

Infamous romhack mainly from pure edge and ridiculous level curve.

>Pokemon Insurgence

I didn't heard about that one.

>1996

>"I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was"

<2016

<"we're best friends forever guise xD"

This is the problem with pokemon today.

>>14992032

Based

>>14995592

i could almost hear those pixels

>>14996141

Download the patch here

https://cdn.disagreementapp.com/attachments/264187806904090625/451992632336580618/pokeprism0229.rar

Then use patcher here

http://pokemonprism.com/patcher.html

>>14995383

damn i feel like playing old school gb pokemon again.

what's the best fan game with only gen 1 and 2 pokemon?

>>14996168

Fuck that's dumb, why can't they just provide a .ips?

>Replaced the original dev's name on the title screen with their own

Top zez. Fucking disagreementfags.

The real problem with the 3D designs is twofold:

>bad posing

>bad colors

Where the sprites used action poses or descriptive posture and excess color variation, the 3d models tend to sit neutrally and only barely move, with a bland palette.

One of the worst examples is Dodrio, who went from a fittingly active and chaotic design with 3 heads, countershading to forcibly add detail to the tube necks, neat ruffly fur and a fanning tail, to a vaguely constipated barely 3-color thing that just sort of stands there awkwardly. They didn't even bother to fan back the head-feathers so they look like an arbitrary "V" instead of a bird's crest.

It could work if Gamefreak took advantage of 3D model's dynamic posing to vary up pokemon stances, and if they added back some of the detail, but it's much easier to rehash bad models and be lazy about it. Their modelers haven't improved since Stadium even if the technology has.

>>14992779

I'm a 5 Diver though

>>14995592

No, I'm complaining that the sprites are lower detail and made with less effort and skill even though they have a higher pixel count.

>>14996242

Red++ or Polished Crystal

>>14996320

>Fuck that's dumb, why can't they just provide a .ips?

I don't know.

>Replaced the original dev's name on the title screen with their own

That was just scummy, I must admit.

There is nothing wrong with 3D Pokemon vs 2D. It's just a LOT harder to make 3D look good vs 2D sprites

The models in the 3DS games look fucking awful and the all-too-often drop in framerated to below 20 during intense battles on the weak hardware certainly do not help. Pokken Tournament has fantastic models for example. But it would probably take way too much effort to give all 700 Pokes the Pokken Tournament treatment

>>14998710

Someone should make their own much better bugfix to Prism since RaindowsDevs are bad at coding.

>>14996141

Get it here

http://gbahacks.blogspot.com/2016/12/prism.html

>>14990416

Erika IS an stereotype/trope/whatever you want to call it, she's a yamato nadeshiko aka the perfect japanese wife, but with narcolepsy.

>>14998722

>Most successful vidya franchise ever

>Over 100 million made per year

>Can't afford to hire a bunch of pajeets for $1 an hour to do the job through manpower alone

Sure.

>>14990416

>Giovanni

<wants most powerful pokeyman to RULE THE WORLD

>not ebil saturday morning cartoon shit

<down to earth plans that made sense

Nigger get real.

>>14995592

Did you not understand his point?

>>15000152

That was anime only. In the games Team Rocket had nothing to do with mewtwo.

>>14990416

The only wrong part is the one about all genwunner being chill, all the rest is right

>>15010744

wtf i love gen 7 now

>>15010744

Gen 1 and Gen 5 are the better ones.

>>15010744

I haven't looked at pokemon for years, why is Gen 7 the way it is in the pic?

Pokemon went to shit before it stopped using sprites. The sprite/non sprite divide is not a marker of quality.

It's because you picked up the comfiest game in the series

>>14978538

Gens 2 and 3 had a few I liked. I think they look good when they stick to the dinosaur/mammal hybrid thing

>>14979330

80s>90s>70s>10s>00s

>>15027870

Agreed, they're animals and should look like such, leave the machines and humanoids to digimon

>>14981632

What the fuck is with the overlay thing? I thought ink got splattered on the paper at first.

>>14990416

>Silver

The guy's proto-Gladion, go back and read some of his lines and tell me that isn't full edgelord. He's even got daddy issues. just like Gladion's mommy issues.

Yes, because I was a kid and played vidya, when Pokemon had sprites.

Not really I prefer to look ahead. Give me Gen 8.

>>15033808

No you're 100% right.

The games only real strength is variety of choice in pokemon. Otherwise its really linear, overlevels you if you fight every trainer, and is otherwise bland and uninspired.

Sprites > 3D models

Always and forever.

>>15033808

That's how it is man, the games have lost their teeth and are getting easier and shittier with every gen

Gen 4 (starting with Platinum) and Gen 5 are the pinnacle of Pokemon games. Crystal is outdated since HGSS released.

>>15034374

>Volcarona

>Good taste anon. Go praise yourself.

>>15034333

Why my dick hard

>>14988203

Gen 2 was pretty good tbh.

>>15034448

Cause your gay

>>15034540

it's just a regional variant

>>15034542

They also fucked up his typing so he has more weaknesses now.

He was a fucking beast in Gen 1. I could solo the game with a Rattata found in the grass outside Palette Town. Once he got Ice Punch he had a physical move capable of taking down his biggest weakness (Rock).

>>15034566

>Once he got Ice Punch he had a physical move capable of taking down his biggest weakness (Rock).

you better not be implying that ice is strong against rock.

>>15034620

Most rock types are dual-ground, which ice hits for super-effectiveness.

>>15034566

Raticate being a dark/normal is actually very dangerous as it naturally learns suckerpunch and crunch and due to every faggot out there running psychic and ghost types, this raticate ensures high damage. it'll easily fuck up steel types.

>>15034540

This was one of the few things I liked about gen 7 pokemon. The pokedex entry says that the city lifestyle made them fat.

>>15034540

Faticate.

>>15034566

The bigger issue here is that this anon seems to be implying that Ice Punch was a physical move in Gen 1.

16 bit sprites were better than 8bit

>>14961079

>So you see Anon, the fact that is shittier makes it superior.

Lol ok

>>15035086

>>putting ultra beasts on your list

why is this a problem

>>15010744

This is disturbingly accurate.

>>15035139

James Turner designed them :^)

>>15035033

the even bigger issue here is that anon is implying rattata could learn ice punch in gen 1 (or any gen for that matter)

>>14961026

I find turn-based combat looks better in 2D. The gameplay abstraction of characters waiting for their turn seems more comical the more detailed their models are.

That doesn't mean turn-based combat itself is bad necessarily, just old-school and should embrace that by using retro graphics, or more tabletop game elements like a grid or cards.

This is a good enough thread.

So my starter for my new game in Ultra sun/moon is a bastiodon.

I'd like you guys to pick the four moves he will have four the ENTIRE game.

Please though. I actually need to beat it so I'm not giving him 4 shit moves.

>>14961132

still using that pic eh anon? gotta beat that dead horse harder

>>14988263

>imagine being such a casual that you use problems with combat balancing issues in a simplistic turn based rpg for children as a metric instead of judging the game based on monster and level design.

>>14995338

Gen 3 is my favorite as well, but it had one big flaw and that was the lack of a physical/special split. Made some of my team more ass than they already were.

>>15035633

Metal Burst

Rock Slide

Earthquake

Gyro Ball or Iron Head

>>15036090

This works, thanks.

I was just gonna roll dice, thank fuck I didnt

>>15035633

Haha no one cares, nigger

>>15035127

Hello retard.

>>15038124

He's flatter, less polygons I'd suppose.

>>14985910

>implying

AHEM

Personally I like both the original and remastered ones more-or-less equally. Such a shame that the gen 3 remakes didn't take after Emerald

>>14982201

>>14982098

>>14982242

>>14982328

>>14987950

>>14988331

>They're unironically trying to act like the animation quality between a TV show and movie are at all comparable.

>They're unironically trying to act like you can accurately gauge animation quality from still images

Jesus fucking Christ it's Dragon Ball for crying out loud. Super didn't do it any favors, but the bar was already pretty damn low.

>>15039430

There is no way because GameFreak are FUCKING RETARDED FAGGOTS. You have to send an individual invite to do 6v6 ANYTHING in those cocksucking games.

>>15039445

Ok, is there an easy way for me to do this? If not then I'm fucking done.

>>15039447

>is there an easy way for me to do this?

<You have to send an individual invite to do 6v6

>>15039447

>>15039430

just play on pokemon showdown

>>15039451

>To play pokemon on 3ds, don't play pokemon on your 3DS

>>15039450

Is there a good chat I can use to ask people for single 6v6 ou battles?

>>15039456

>To play pokemon on 3ds, don't play pokemon on your 3DS

Yes. This is the absolute state of Pokemon games. If you really want to play a "real" game then I highly suggest playing alone and maybe picking an older one that's less shit.

>>14961064

>>14978545

Gen 4 and 5 both were full of 3D graphics in the overworld. It was particularly bad in Gen 5 because they thought it was a good idea to zoom waaaaay in on low res sprites and put them in a mis-matched ugly 3D world.

>>15039430

there isn't because 6v6 is a retarded format

>>15040079

Your opinion is shit.