/v/ - HAPPY E3 EVERYONE

more games, better support, better games than the game gear and more cost effective. also it got a massive second wind with pokemon.

>t was the first portable gaming system that wasn't a shitty 200-games-in-one Tiger Electronics shit?

Basically. It actually had good games.

>>14922079

It had games, something nobody else had.

Think of a time without wide internet, or mobile phones, or tablets. Tetris was good. And the brick actually had battery power, more then a few games, and then when it was losing steam, a little something called Pokemon appeared.

>>14922079

Battery life being huge, screen being better than the competition in certain aspects(Game Gear for example, if you've ever played one looks fucking awful) TETRIS, some very good zelda games, wario land, etc. It especially helps that the competition always had some kind of flaw, mainly poor battery life or shitty screens, or in the lynx case, being an ungodly bulky mess that puts the switch to shame.

Why wouldn't it? It was the best portable system of its time and had a ton of support.

Stupid nigger.

>>14922079

Pokemon.

>>14922329

The PSP didn't lose to the DS because of marketing, the PSP lost because it was a shitty weebmachine while the DS had countless titles that appealed to every important demographic.

>>14922363

>the PSP lost because it was a shitty weebmachine

Because Sony couldn't market it, either do to budget or incompetence this is Sony so I'd say a bit of both

Its a catch-22. You need to market your console to sell it, but to market your console you need software support, which you can only get from sales and marketing. Nintendo is able to avoid this because they have actually talented first party teams and because they know normalfags and soyboys will buy their consoles regardless of how powerful they are

>>14922378

That's actually the rationale I had at the time for not buying a GBA after examining the box of FFT:A in the store and being genuinely disgusted at what they had done to my favorite TRPG.

>>14922386

Learned their lesson from that one, didn't they? Doubling down on the cynical moviegame genre has certainly paid off.

>>14922512

I still can't believe that shit happened.

>>14922512

Anyone know why I get 403 errors when trying to view embedded videos?

>>14922329

Sony's marketing did suck, but it didn't suck because they didn't have enough money or anything like that. It sucked because they decided, against all fucking logic, to try to sell the PSP as a fucking media machine that ran shitty slow micro CDs and had proprietary storage as a result, all in the name of more storage on disk so they could try to sell you fucking movies for the thing.

Nintendo won because they made a fucking game machine that you put a fucking game into and play. Take the PSP and replace the disks with good flash carts that have save memory on them, and take out the memory stick (maybe replace it with a real SD card slot), and actually market the fucking thing as a game machine that's more powerful than any other handheld, and it would have been unbeatable.

And then they fucked up the Vita in the same way. God damn I'm still salty. It should have been the best handheld ever. Now the fucking Switch is the best bet for handheld games. At least it's getting cracked hard.

>>14922573

Codemoney fucked some stuff up. You should be able to expand them inline to watch them. If you want to open them in a new tab, click the filename instead of the thumbnail. That works for me.

>>14922592

Well I guess it's fine if it's a known issue. I have JS disabled since pages tend to lag and freeze intermittently, so I can't embed

>>14922363

PSP lost because UMDs were a bad idea, the UMD drives were a point of failure, and expensive proprietary memory cards were an issue that was made worse with the Vita. PSPs were more expensive than the DS and infamous for durability issues. I never knew anyone that got more than a year of moderate to heavy use out of one before the UMD drive fucked up.

And everyone hated PSP GO because the idea of digital only games was disgusting even to normalfags back then.

>>14922187

Do they still make Tiger handhelds?

>why was the first handheld gaming device with actual fun games a success when all its competitors had hot messes that barely qualified as videogames

gee bill i dunno

>>14922607

Yeah, it's because the link actually points to the player.php, instead of pointing somewhere useful and generating the player link on click. If you open the 403 page, you can see the real video link in the query string. I'm surprised they haven't fixed it yet; it's a pretty dumb mistake. There's an extension called Redirector that you could put a rule into to automatically fix those links for now, but it's probably not worth the pain in the ass.

>>14922079

Because the games were so high quality and fun that despite the hard-to-see screen and battery life it was still worth it just to play them.

>>14922640

>>14922079

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GAME, BOY, POCKET

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>>14922079

Programmers loved it for its Z80 based Instruction set. Z80 based computers were extremely popular before the game boy. Due to this, it gave the gameboy a healthy library.

>>14922173

Compared to an original grey brick gameboy the game gear screen looks fucking amazing, not least because it has full color as opposed to puke green and black. I had a gameboy, I knew someone with a game gear, I was mad jelly.

The only real drawbacks of the game gear on a consumer-hardware level are that it's too big (hardly a drawback compared to the grey brick that was also too big) and I believe it had a much shorter battery life. In reality it was the games and maybe the price, timing and availability that won out for the gameboy.

>>14922512

Sony was running a lot of indie movie-esque ad campaigns back then, they had some weird shit for the PS2 as well

My guess is Sony wanted be to "artsy" like Apple but they also wanted to have an "edge". Needless to say the results ended up mixed

Speaking of which, and to stay on topic, didn't Nintendo have a Gameboy Color ad featuring a song from the Butthole Surfers? Kind of ironic since the entire gimmick of the Butthole Surfers was to be the most un-marketable band of all time (at lest until Peppers became a hit and they sold out)

>>14922685

I loved the Game Gear. I think the Game Boy was just more popular because it was the first to not be complete shit and also it was NINTENDO when they were at their height of popularity.

Besides, we all know the Neo Geo Pocket is the best handheld of that era, but it died too soon because of Italians. Sad because the games that were cancelled looked amazing.

>>14922698

The Gamegear I remember had awful build quality in comparison to the later Gameboy Pocket, which had absolutely stunning build-quality that holds up to this day

>>14922329

So what was the first with actually cartridges?

Tiger electronics and game & watch don't count because they aren't really consoles.

>>14922089

Battery effective too.

Speaking of Gameboy

>Designed by Gunpei Yokoi

>prints money

>they pressure him with the Virtualboy despite tech not being cost effective.

>it bombs

>he leaves Nintendo and works on the Wonderswan.

>dies in an "accident"

>years later with the rise of the internet people learn about Nintendo and its ties with the Yakuza.

>the conspiracy theory still lives.

>>14922512

Sony's marketing must be full of niggers. It had the squirrel niggers then it tried to be full on nigger with that "Marcus PSP" nigger who tried to a tough gangster nigger. Two fucking shitty marketing campaigns geared towards niggers for a great handheld system that thrived, because of the weeb audience, not the nigger audience.

FUCK NIGGERS

>>14922525

>Egoraptor

Even back then that nigger faggot was shit and only retarded teenagers found that funny.

>>14923430

b-b-b-b-b-but he was right about megaman!

>>14922588

Even if Sony had done that the PSP was an overdesigned mess. I mean, the fucking square button didn't work on the original design because in the interest of being "sleek" and "cool" they had to compromise on how the buttons fit in to the case which made the square button actually sit halfway off the fucking PCB.

Then there's the glossy screen that looks really impressive until it gets used by anyone not wearing white silk gloves, and the shitty panel used (to reduce some cost of having a mechanical fucking drive in a portable machine instead of just using solid state storage like a non-idiot) had ghosting and blurring problems out the ass.

They were more interested in looking cool and being sleek than actually making a workable product.

It's basically a meme at this point, but Nintendo is the only one still making actual game machines. Everyone else is in the multimedia entertainment centre business with games as an added bonus.

>>14922613

>And everyone hated PSP GO because the idea of digital only games was disgusting even to normalfags back then.

It didn't help that major distributors refused to even stock the PSP Go because stores often lose money on hardware to make it up on software sales, and with the PSP Go there was no software to make up the difference with. I worked for EB Games at the time and that was literally the reason they refused to sell it

>>14922693

Sony's marketing in the PS1 days is what helped kill gaming IMO. It made gaming cool. It brought in dudebros before MS did (though not to the extent that MS did) and it made it mainstream.

Then when teh PS2 came out they got lost so far up their fucking ass we ended up with shit like that weird fucking baby but it didn't matter because Sega committed sepuku and Nintendo went with mini-discs and lost to the "but it's also a DVD player" argument and the fact they had lost a ton of third party support for being outright cunts for the last three generations of consoles.

>>14923423

>PSP

>thrived

:^)

>>14922525

30 seconds were enough, everything beyond that point is retarded padding

I forgot to add

>>14922187

2012

>>14923688

>the Switch is also failing

It isn't. The Switch sold more in a year than the WiiU did in four.

Pokemon and Tetris.

>>14923730

Because retarded normalfags are buying it without games. Literally I have two coworkers that got a switch and didn't get any games for it.

>>14923744

Jesus, not even a super mario game, the fuck was the plan there, do you know, do they even know?

>>14923769

They fuck around with Netflix on it and browse the menus.

>>14922525

>>14922512

>Everyone forgot about PSP Marcus and Sony's pathetic attempt to salvage a market

Good

>>14923803

They found the one black kid living in a suburb and told him to act like a hood nigger in training. Sadly it's not the worst attempt at shilling sony has done.

>200 games in one

>in the 80s

That shit appeared in the 90s when that Tiger type technology became even cheaper than it already was.

>>14923871

>Intellectual

>>14923871

>random iphone icons to attract the new generation raised by tablets

It hurts a bit.

>>14922386

>normalfags and soyboys will buy their consoles regardless of how powerful they are

Do you not remember the Wii U?

>>14923501

>Sony's marketing in the PS1 days is what helped kill gaming IMO

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. I mean game machines always tried to reach a wide market before the PS1, but normalfags were never actually brought on board until Playstation. Playstation with its focus on media playing (to this day hardly anyone I know uses PS4 for games) and cinematics over gameplay truly spelled the beginning of the end.

>>14923397

I think Blockbuster or some other store made a cartridge based handheld before the gameboy.

Games and long battery life

Game Gear only had a 2 hour battery life and I'm not sure about America but a normal long drive is 4 hours each way here in Australia

>>14924085

>Cuckchan filename

leave

>>14924182

>Am i fitting in yet goys guys

You are clueless.

C h o k e

>>14924209

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nintendo has almost always focused on games to sell their systems rather than specs , it's why have so many first-party devs

gameboy was successful because it was good on battery life and the games actually felt like games.

gamegear was the only competitor, but the problem was it drained through batteries insanely quickly.

future consoles were backwards compatible. i still keep my gameboy color in my car. runs on 2 AA batteries that i dont even remember the last time i had to change. the big gameboy uses 4, and doesnt require frequent changing.

these 2 factors make it successful.

Because it was fucking fun

it doesn't take a marketing degree to figure this shit out.

>>14923447

…And then subsequently assumed his ideas on Megaman (which were, mostly correct, more on that later) could be applied to literally any game. Megaman, at least the non-X games, only had a few actions - move left and right, jump, shoot. Later you could charge your blaster and slide, for a grand total of five actions, ever. So most players figured these out literally right away, and most obstacles were shown at first in a relatively safe environment (Yoku blocks are always first encountered in a place where failure is only a time sink) and then in a more dangerous one (…And then over pits, spikes, with enemies, etc). Egoraptor believes that literally any game can be designed this way, regardless of the genre, abilities of the characters involved, etc, and thus skips tutorials on principle whenever possible.

He then goes on to blame the game for not teaching him properly. This is somewhat like learning how to walk and then trying to drive a car without a liscence.

>>14924345

Having a license doesn't mean that you know how to drive, only that you know how to follow driving rules

>>14922720

>>14922720

>The Gamegear I remember had awful build quality in comparison to the later Gameboy Pocket, which had absolutely stunning build-quality that holds up to this day

It was actually the other way around.

>>14923871

>9 dollars

If you can program games on it, then I guess it's a decent deal.

>>14922512

All I want for Christmas is a PSP!

>>14924182

>he can't read unix timestamps

Protip, that image is older than the first exodus you flaming faggot.

>>14922386

Not where I live. Nobody here grew up with Nintendo outside of NES knockoffs in the 90s and early 00s that didn't have their name on them* and Playstation is the name everyone associates with a console, and being a Nintendo sperg like me is a rare acquired taste. While the Game Boy line had its niche back in their days, when the PSP came out people flocked to it because it's even better, a portable with the Playstation name on it! I was mocked in middle and high school for having a DS and literally ALL I've ever heard about the PSP was the graphics, muh grafix everywhere, nobody was able to recommend me a single game for it. And it still has a few good games and homebrew capabilities.

*This dissociation of NES classics with Nintendo leads to funny shit like people at stores asking if they can buy "Mario Bros" (said as if "Bros" was his last name) for Playstation or Xbox

>OP is a (1) & done

>75 replies anyway

lel, top b8 OP

>>14922144

>Thread about Gameboy

>Posts gameboy color games.

>>14924753

>>14924182

Lurk more, retards

>>14922079

> The technology wasn't new or innovative.

It was new and innovative for a portable game console in an era when games were usually LCD games with a small set of fixed imaged and annoying beep sounds you cannot turn off.

>>14922329

You are right about Nintendo, but your assessment of the PSP failure is wrong. The marketing was poor, but with a strong brand like PlayStation is doesn't really matter. What killed the PSP was that Sony was trying to bring the home console PlayStation experience onto the go. Slow cinematic games and loading times do not work well when you are trying to kill time waiting for your doctor's appointment. By the time a PSP game has finished loading you are already done playing a DS game. It also didn't help that the PSP hardware was bulky and had a short battery life. Nintendo correctly realized that in some aspects worse really is better; the graphics were one generation behind, but there were good enough for the games at the time and the savings in size, money and energy consumption could be used were it really mattered for a handheld.

The PSP was designed as if it was meant to be used at home. The only market that would appreciate this would be children who don't have a TV in their room, but parents would rather buy the 100$ cheaper Nintendo, which also had games like Mario and Pokemon for the little ones.

Finally, the PSP games just weren't that good. My younger brother has a PSP, and the main thing he ended up using it for was GBA emulation. You can find a couple of games you will like, but you can find a couple of games you will like on pretty much anything. There just wasn't enough games to justify buying the system for.

This thread makes me glad. I'm glad to know some real-deal gamers are still out there, with long memories.

>>14924738

hello fellow Russian

>>14924975

>Slow cinematic games and loading times do not work well when you are trying to kill time waiting for your doctor's appointment.

Other devs took note of that at least. The Stories GTA games for example play a bit faster than the mainline PS2 era games.

>Finally, the PSP games just weren't that good.

Absolutely right, there was some good stuff but no wonder no one was really able to name me a single game all these years and all they'd do was just drool over graphics.

>>14925154

No but close

because it had all the good developers like capcom.

mickey's chase, darkwing duck, etc.

>>14924399

>program games on it

I'd be impressed if it could handle BASIC

>>14922079

it had a shitty street fighter ii, awesome!

>>14923778

Confirmed for liar

>>14925313

Didn't some autistic guy work on designing these things?

>>14923688

>switch

>fastest selling nintendo system

>current market leader in japan and na

>failing

What did he mean by this?

>dot matrix

Devs really need to start using this again.

>>14927110

If they were serious about that voxel shit they should of made a shitty game demo instead. Hell it could just be a frogger clone for all care.

>>14927110

>technology so good and so viable that you have to disable the comments and stop people from talking about it

This is clearly just some marketing ploy to get more funding. Rule of thumb is if something is this good but has never been used extensively, there's something wrong with it.

>>14927252

They got a contract from the Australian gov, and started working for industry instead of vidya.

>>14927267

I wonder if it's because the technology is more suited for static images therefore

NOT

VIDEO

GAMES

FUCK OFF EUCLIDEON FAGS

>>14924738

That was childhood in Britian too. If you owned a Nintendo system it was a Gameboy. If you owned a Nintendo home console you were gay. And once the PSP came along, Nintendo handhelds were gay too.

>>14926960

I don't know about that but I do know that he later worked on the Vectrex. The shit design comes from the fact that the cartridges are actually dedicated handhelds themselves. The Microvision just supplies power to them.

>>14927288

Dubs or not, you've gotta stop supported lazy devs just barely holding status quo. We need a change, something new, something better.

>>14927420

polygons are better tbh kys now

>>14927425

>limited framerates

>spinning sprites

>low resolution

>small detailed maps OR big bland maps

<"better"

>>14927288

Can't you mix the static images with more standard techniques for moving shit? The ground and buildings don't have to move ever, so use point clouds for those and slap a collision layer on top so other things can move around them. It might even be useful for terrain destruction if you can automatically re-calculate the collision layers.

>>14927432

Dynamic lighting

>>14927439

The trick is point cloud for big areas, and polygons for the player's immediate area.

>>14927252

I wouldn't agree with that rule of thumb. As it turns out pretty much every large company both in software and otherwise is massively incompetent. Software companies (gaming or otherwise) have proven themselves even more incompetent than most. The fact that something isn't used by these companies isn't really proof of anything more than the fact that they are too dumb to use it

>>14927449

>The trick is to use more data in the less detailed, barely important part of the image and less data where it really matters

Fucing genious!

>>14927463

It's just a bandaid until computers can handle it, dumbfuck.

>>14927438

But why though? Would the ability to zoom in at high detail make up for the extreme gameplay limitations coupled with the extreme hardware requirements and extremely limited amount of content due to disc size?

>>14925313

Goddamn, no wonder I never heard of this piece of shit. This thing makes Game & Watch look advanced by comparison. There's absolutely no reason the turd even needed to use "cartridges". All those shitty games could've just easily been built in.

Also, this thing wasn't even a complete console in and of itself. It was just a dock used to snap on different face plates, and the face plates (cartridges, heh) contained the actual processors.

>>14927233

People who let their devices parent their children are absolute trash. Why interact with your kids when you can shove a chink mothball/vegetable glue 1200$~ piece of shit in front of them to blink flashing colors?

>>14922079

>games

>price point

/thread

>>14927790

Can't find any info. Seems likely since he worked for Milton Bradley, but I can't find information about him working on the Microvision.

>>14925293

it had non-shitty king of fighters so it evens out.

>>14923688

>They don't have THE FUCKING GAMES.

Actually the Switch sold like hotcakes because it got more games than the WiiU in a short timespan. (There was also a night and day difference in promoting each console, but that's another story.) I'm not getting a Switch, but I know people who bought it for Legend of Skyrim, (actually, mostly that) and some of the following depending on the person

<Mario Oddysey

<Xenoblade

<Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

It's already successful in the short-term, but if it keeps getting more games it will be successful long-term as well. You know it will be once Smash, Animal Crossing, and Pokemon release on it.

>>14928577

>Actually the Switch sold like hotcakes because it got more games than the WiiU in a short timespan

That's kinda easy to do when you're just porting your unsold games. and at full price too. Honestly I would not be surprised that shitty FE idol game and star fox zero will be ported.

>>14928691

>That's kinda easy to do when you're just porting your unsold games.

True, but when the majority of the buyers didn't own a Wii U, they're basically new games to them. Then there's also the drones who will buy anything from Ninendo regardless, but every company has idiots like that. Except for Cliff Bazinga. :^)

>>14927622

Believe it or not, the same design was going to be used in the GameBoy. Gunpei Yokoi just wanted it to be a step ahead of the Game & Watch and uses the Microvision as his inspiration, but someone else decided that it should be a "portable Famicom" and the rest is history. I really think Gunpei takes too much credit from the GameBoy than he deserves.

>>14939074

So Gunpei was actually the faggot who almost destroyed Nintendo, even back then. Gameboy would have been dead on arrival if he had gotten his way.

because unlike the game gear it didn't require a bajillion batteries for two hours of gameplay?

t. game gear owner

>>14941151

>>14939074

This is all possibly likely and all but do we have a source for any of this?

>>14941914

The man's name was Satoru Okada. He was responsible for the GameBoy as we know it today. Here is the article: https://archive.fo/OkohB

>>14941914

>>14953313

There you have it. And for years and years, the media sucked off Gunpei Yokoi as "the father of gameboy", too. It turns out he had less claim to that title than Conman had to being the father of Megaman.