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33b610 No.14914907

So blizzards hiring for a new diablo game and the rumour mill says its a first person game blending diablo, vermintide, left 4 dead and hellgate london to appeal to a borderlands/looter shooter audience.

Setting aside that its nublizzard so it will be a trash fire what do you think on paper about the idea? Some people really liked Hellgate London and while i never tried it i liked the idea of it. A grimdark first person hack and slash/spell casting monster mash seems like a fun idea that could very easily be fucked up.

But some people just love their clickers and would hate to lose the original style which sadly is now more compared to mobashit than dungeon crawlers in the mainstream nowadays.

Do you think a first person fantasy loot game can be done well?

221f67 No.14914922

>>14914907

Yes.

But not by Blizz, and they're probably hiring for a new Diablo expansion since I noticed its been getting more attention from players.


5e2da0 No.14914972

>throw in the towel on d3 because path of exile did it better

smart move


0a2436 No.14915365

>>14914972

>throw in the towel on d3 because path of exile, Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2 and even Victor Vran did it better

ftfy


017415 No.14915380

That's stupid, you're stupid


f81bbf No.14915429

Hellgate London was bad.

Hellgate London made by ActiBlizz is gonna be even worse. But thanks to Blizzdrones, it'll be a success.


4029eb No.14915433

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>>14914907

>Diablolands4 made by Gearbox

So it has finally come to this either way thanksbut no thanks


e6b829 No.14915444

>make the single most boring type of game into a FPS

Have fun shooting the same zombie enemy for the 6000000th time as you grind your way to level 59 where you'll be rewarded with a single stat point to keep you incentivized to go on!


fc89cb No.14915467

First person Diablo? So how are you going to do a whirlwind build?


ac2873 No.14915470

Seems counter intuitive. Shooters are mostly reliant on weapons and level design, so randomizing both seems like a terrible, terrible idea.


7aed87 No.14915493

Doesn't this already exist in the current meta as The Elder Scrolls? Either way, if they somehow make it have melee combat, archery, stealth, magic, summoning, traps, and compaions that can also hold loot then I might be interested. Dying Light made me want something like what OP and I sort of describe.


9c444c No.14915529

>>14915429

Hellgate London was bad because the studio was mismanaged to comedic levels. In early development they stated a core strength was that they didn't have a traditional design document as that rigidity prevents following the fun in the middle of development, then they proceeded to go every direction during development rather than focus like you'd do with a traditional design document and blew a massive wad on things that never even made it into a release. They also blew a lot of Hellgate's money co-developing another game during Hellgate's development using the same engine that never saw the light of day.


df455e No.14915762

>>14914907

I always thought that one of the worst aspects of Borderlands was that you had a single Skill to use with a long cooldown.

Variety had to come from using different weapons or if you had something in your skill tree that counts as a skill, like stunning with melee.

But otherwise, I never understood why in no Borderlands game they ever gave you 3-4 abilities instead with different uses and cooldowns.

I kinda expect Diablo in first person to be mostly that, Borderlands but with extra skills to use, however I'd be wary about melee combat.

There's a reason it's rarely popular in FPS games, since movement for melee is quite restrictive if you don't want to fuckup the player's orientation, which leads to boring repetitive combat.

And considering so many of the classes in Diablo that are about melee, this doesn't really bode well.

>>14915429

Hellgate London was pretty neat in how it blender RPG with action pretty well and it had a lot of nifty features to boot.

Namely, I think it was the first game that gave you a "press button to go back to base", although they also had the relocators so you could come back too instead.

They also had the Shift binded to context sensitive skills so you could sprint but also use a few skills when they were relevant without having to bind them.

And also Ctrl to use consumable items as needed, which includes all those "Fire Resist" or "Electrical Resist" that you'd forget all the time, but instead the prompt appears as soon as you get a status effect of the relevant item.

It also had some neat weapons like the cat's paw to dominate enemies or those lashers that pulled them near you for melee builds, and since you could have 3 Loadouts at any time to use, there was always a lot of variety in gunplay.


572f16 No.14915770

>loot and shoot

it's an inherently broken genre. It'll end up being like borderlands/division/destiny which are all shit


ceb1e6 No.14915774

JUST MAKE WARCRAFT IV YOU FUCKS


475567 No.14915796

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First person melee just isn't that fun.

There, I said it.

The best first-person melee (probably DMoM&M) is not nearly as good as the best third-person melee.

Also, random loot is shit. And grinding for loot is shit. It's just a skinner box of shit.


e347fa No.14915808

>>14915796

Because first person melee keeps being developed for 2 maximum input buttons for attacks, sometimes even 1 because of keyboard+mouse layout. Mouse is a problem.


cbd191 No.14915834

>>14915796

>First person melee just isn't that fun.

this, DMoMM is an exception because it is exceptionally fun to have a kick with the strength of push of a jet engine combined with a spell that makes everyone slip the fuck out and areas full of spike traps to push them into.


ceb1e6 No.14915836

>>14915796

I did get the same feeling from vermintide that I got from destiny, in that I was having zero fun. I wasn't bored, but I definitely was not having fun.


df455e No.14915842

>>14915796

>>14915808

Actually, Zeno Clash begs to differ, it's actually pretty well done first person melee.

Dark Messiah is a close second, it can get a bit tedious with the repetitive moves but there's some variety if you use the environment, target limbs and mix with kicks.


cbd191 No.14915845

>>14915836

>I wasn't bored, but I was bored.


e86bc3 No.14915858

>>14915842

>Actually, Zeno Clash begs to differ, it's actually pretty well done first person melee.

you wouldn't know a good melee combat system if it kicked you right in your fucking face you stupid shit. Holy fuck get better taste you plebe.


df455e No.14915884

>>14915858

Sorry, I agree. The game you posted is actually 3x better than Xeno Clash.


ceb1e6 No.14915919

>>14915845

It wasn't boredom, it felt like sedation.


cbd191 No.14915950

>>14915919

thats boredom


57b90b No.14916066

>>14915529

And then they made Hellgate a subscription based game with P2W on top in a genre that is still traditionally buy-once.


5d1434 No.14916100

>>14915429

Hellgate London was awesome for an alpha.


945938 No.14916212

>>14914907

apathetic


d469e5 No.14916399

Anything made by Blizzard is shit.


1ccaa3 No.14916805

>>14915774

>what is WoW + expansions


85dedf No.14916817

>>14915796

Yeah nah you're a faggot, Zeno Clash, Condemned, Necrovision, FEAR.

All have very satisfying first person melee combat


d08b77 No.14916836

It's gonna end up as shitty as Memelands because Blizzard will be in charge.


67abf6 No.14917043

Nu- Blizzard have already proven that they don't understand the Diablo formula. The perspective does not matter.


c62edf No.14917215

You know what had fun first person melee comabt? Alien Vs Predator 2 when you played as the alien. Once you got used to the screen reorienting itself when climbing on walls/ceiling it was a blast to run all over everything then fling yourself at high speeds at hapless marines and watch them gib. Or sneak up above them and chomp their heads clean off for a heal. Melee combat in the first person won't work if you are fighting bullet sponges… but then again gun play in the first person also doesn't work if you are fighting bullet sponges.


6960fd No.14917623

>>14915470

borderlands is a thing


6960fd No.14917628

>>14916817

if you're hitting people with your limbs.You're playing fear wrong.




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