c72785 No.14900710
https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamiya-says-games-are-not-art-nsfw.46521/
Hideki Kamiya said games weren’t art, and Resetera is sperging out over it. Get in here and start mining salt!
6e13cc No.14900720
d4eaab No.14900725
>>14900710
>faggots on NeoFAG are saying things
who cares
f6b9ab No.14900729
Games contain art despite not being art themselves.
0c9ee1 No.14900739
I believe games are art, but the problem is (((postmodernism))) and the brain-dead cunts who have taken over all sections of the art world, and who are taking over our gaemus as well.
62ec85 No.14900743
>>14900710
>Japanese Trump
And people say that Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't real. At least it's funnier than "Japanese Phil Fish."
9be3dd No.14900755
> some games can be art if you find them artful
> but not all games are art, or even good
There, end of discussion.
Not all movies are art either, but it's definitely an art form.
Not all music is art.
Not all images are art.
Art is not a medium in and of itself.
Expecting resetera rejects to grasp that notion is folly.
3301d6 No.14900762
>>14900710
>directly linking to neogaf 2.0
f6b9ab No.14900764
>>14900755
I reject that a minimum quality must be hit before something is art simply because it's a subjective definition and language should be as objective as possible.
85eddc No.14900766
>>14900762
You new or just retarded?
d4eaab No.14900782
6a076a No.14900784
Okay, here's what's going down!
<This article came out on the first (First pic): https://archive.fo/6blfY
>In this article, the author (James Batchelor) claims that Kamiya said: https://archive.fo/6blfY#selection-1105.0-1105.136
<"My feeling is that games themselves… they're not just mass-produced things. They're art, they're part of the developer's personality.
There is one small problem with this quote, however.
<KAMIYA STATES THAT HE NEVER MADE THIS COMMENT (Second pic): https://archive.fo/N4Bfj
d4eaab No.14900791
>calculator
what the fuck is that, why couldn't I get onion knight or samurai or chemist. I woulda taken thief or ninja or oracle too.
8df233 No.14900795
>>14900764
Art is precisely the attempt to describe something outside the purview of language. Games are not art, games and play are even more elemental than that, but they can contain art.
750bfd No.14900800
>>14900710
>Hideki Kamiya said games weren’t art
ironic considering his output is some of the most painstakingly aesthetically pleasing stuff in the industry
0c9ee1 No.14900804
>>14900755
Rolli, rolli, give me the loli.
6a076a No.14900811
>>14900799
>Where, or how did he get it in the first place?
Batchelor says in the article that he caught up with Kamiya at the Reboot Develop 2018 conference.
57ff13 No.14900815
What faggots mean when they say "Is X art?"– what they are actually saying is, "Are games a faux intellectual's wet dream that they can ascribe arbitrary meaning onto by claiming it to be of exceptional quality?" But that's not what "art" actually is. Art is a creative expression across a medium that can be experienced by others. That's it. Nothing more. Art can be terrible, and it can be good. Calling something "art" has zero implication to its quality– for example, degenerate art is the epitome of trash but is still by definition art. So by the actual meaning of "art" that only professional dicksuckers don't understand, videogames obviously are art. Anyone who disagrees is using a faggot's definition of the word and should be ridiculed.
dbb6ff No.14900816
>>14900755
Weakass subjective definition. Games have never been an art. You play some Poker, Backgammon, Chess, Hanafuda or Mahjong. It is not art. Video games, are just that, a format of games made using video formats. There are artful parts of games (the music, the design of chessboard pieces, the art of Hanafuda cards, graphics, stories) but because a thing is made of art does not mean in of itself the end product of art as well. Art, as a medium, isn't meant to be interacted with. Plays, paintings, music or novels are not meant to be influenced by the user but to influence the user on a purely intellectual level. You do not join the play, you do not add to the novel, you do not add to the song. Do not confuse entertainment with art, a toddler can be entered with a pile of wodden blocks, that does not make the pile of wooden blocks art.
>>14900795
>Art is precisely the attempt to describe something outside the purview of language.
This doesn't work unless you're going to start arguing that novels are not art.
>>14900766
>>14900768
He should have damn well archived if you're linking to that cespit.
230388 No.14900817
I'll attempt to explain this. To leftists, it's ideal to make as few distinctions as possible. They can only get away with this right now with something that's extremely abstract. If it's not, they do their best to make it more complicated by introducing a bunch of unnecessary details or rules that don't actually apply. Humans are male or female, but if you have to think about people disfigured at birth, trannies, and a million "genders" it becomes much less clear. You also have to consider the tiny minority of animals that are not just "male or female". Clearly, because there's some exception, or some tiny related minority is an exception, the rule does not exist. Once you destroy the strong distinction between male and female, makes it a lot easier to say that men and women are the same; Just raised differently. Same for different races. Abbos who have loafed around for tens of thousands of years are just the same as Alasken natives. The only thing has changed, clearly, is skin color. If they thought they could get away with it, they would argue that skin color doesn't exist. If you think that's absurd, they already do it with all other differences, like facial structure, muscle density, height, intelligence. Even relatively smart people will very quickly refer to all differences between races as just skin color, even when it's obvious the an albino african is not a white man.
If we took this to its logical extreme, and applied it to non-humans, every animal in a zoo would just be an animal. You'd see flying animals, swimming animals, small animals, large animals. Despite that, they are all the same. They are all animals. On that note, we have Japaense humans. African humans. White humans. All the same, just in a different color. I'm surprised that they're still willing to distinguish between "Trump" and "Japanese trump". Of course they'll still make distinctions when it benefits them. Mass shootings, despite being 1% of shooting deaths (and a fraction of mass murders, in turn) have to be heavily focused and publicized.
Art is another target. The actual meaning needs to be degenerated and subverted. For the good and bad, the ugly and beautiful, there must be no distinctions made. You also can't decide what art isn't. That's a quality judgement. Once something becomes art, then, it also can't be seriously criticized as a form. Do you think spending hours on makeup is stupid? That's an illegal opinion, now, because it's an art form. I think, at the level they operate, they just don't want people criticizing games as a whole. How can you? It's art
>>14900755
rolling
57ff13 No.14900818
f6b9ab No.14900821
>>14900791
That is what you get for being rollfag cancer.
>>14900795
I think lots of people try to make their own personal definition of "art" and this is why the "is X art" arguments have been going for centuries. I think to resolve this fundamental failing of the English language the best solution is to consider any creative endeavor art even if that wasn't the creators intention.
For example in pic related the cup, dildo and photo itself are all art as someone had to decide what form they would take.
28d998 No.14900823
>>14900710
>The same group of faggots from Neofag that fawned on Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots
>The same group of faggots that were buttflustered that when (((Roger Ebert))) said games weren't art after shown Johnny and Meryl romance from MGS4
>The same group of faggots who want approval from some overrated Pedowood film critic
>The same group of faggots who rejoiced that before the kike critic died, he walked backed from his statement that games weren't art
Wow, From Neofag to ReShitEra they still haven't change.
598a13 No.14900826
>>14900821
A 3d printed dildo would be absolutely awful.
750bfd No.14900827
>>14900755
When you allow some products of a medium to be art and deny others you either force the matter to be entirely subjective or you allow critics to define what is and isn't art.
Keep in mind that this is the exact situation–the "intellectual" deciding what is fit to be called art and acting as an authority on the matter–that led to dadaism and other pretentious modern art forms being classed as the highest art while people who actually make a fucking effort are critically panned
c8caca No.14900830
I do agree, games aren't art. They're a product, entertainment.
267e5f No.14900833
>>14900739
I'm with you 100%. I fully consider games to be art, and the pretentious fucks can leave and stop ruining it. The biggest issue in my mind is that people who often argue the hardest for games being art use that to mean a game can't be bad. Art can be bad. It's subjective by nature, sure, but it can still be fucking awful. I don't care how many blank canvases or dick drawings or period blood smears make it into museums, they're bad. If a company or developer makes an absolutely shit game, it's still art, it's just fucking bad art.
b40d37 No.14900837
84cc3f No.14900838
Games can be art, unfortunately art has been ruined by normalfags just like everything else
84d32f No.14900840
>>14900823
Don't forget when CliffyB insulted the guy's death on twitter.
d4eaab No.14900842
>>14900821
>rollfag cancer
This thread is shit and you are shit so go fuck yourself you dumb nigger
>hurr let's laught at NeoFAG
What compels you to even give them your attention you shit eating mouth breather
>hurr are video games art
Oh boy, here we go. We haven't exhausted this conversation at all
dbb6ff No.14900843
>>14900821
>Photography as a form of art
Oh fuck that noise. Photography is meant to reflect reality, there are bad ugly parts of reality, there are pretty parts of reality, but photography in of itself is just a recording. Much like a flower can be beautiful and is not art, a photo can be beatiful, but is not art. Once you start editing it though you are no longer just taking a slice of reality so you can start arguing after that point, but you'll notice people have been fired for say, posting doctored photos to news organizations.
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b43e2d No.14900851
Makes sense. If games can be art, they sure as hell aren't if you're doing it on purpose.
>>14900823
lol what would that even prove anyway, the Rat Patrol is only in one video game part of the whole game. He could easily say that part's art, but it's only because the game contains several short films that are art.
>>14900755
Rolling for the blonde one
230388 No.14900852
>>14900827
The problem isn't discriminating between what is and isn't art. We should be able to very easily say that a nigger shitting in a bowl of cheetos isn't art. The problem is the prolific people who end up making that call are just kikes. They decide it through media outlets, through celebrity mouthpieces, they have the ability and the drive to give opinions to millions of people. That's what's happening. The meaning of "art" is being actively subverted. The prolific critics are just kikes propping up other kikes, and this problem starts and ends with them.
28d998 No.14900853
>>14900833
Checked, the same pretentious fucks have the shittiest criteria for when games are "Art" or not, the same pretentious fucks who if they actually follow their mantra that Games are Art, like fucking movie games, LBGTBBQ bullshit, and retarded pixelshit indie games. They also wouldn't be a bunch of hypocritical faggots who reeeeee so hard that they want to change things that they consider Art and change the Artist's vision for social justice garbage! It doesn't fucking work that way!
8df233 No.14900858
>>14900816
Yep, novels are like games, they aren't art but they can contain it. You can easily see this because great novels go beyond the mere construction of their language.
>>14900821
Materialistic thinking, through and through, form is not art.
ee7bea No.14900866
>>14900843
Art isn't defined by imagination or recordings, it is defined by it's objective uselessness to society.
Are painting able to be more than something pretty to look at?
Is a music track able to do more that be nice to listen to?
Is a movie able to be more than something to watch to pass the time?
Photography is the same, unless you are using it for scientific or journalistic purposes, there is nothing a photo contributes to society and therefore it is art.
f6b9ab No.14900867
>>14900843
While 99% of people use photography to record a scene some people use lighting, framing, exposure time ect. to produce something that isn't an accurate record of reality. At this point there is creative input and by my definition that makes it art. As I said the whole point of my definition is simplicity without exceptions.
>>14900858
Then propose a definition of "art" that works better than mine.
dbb6ff No.14900869
>>14900858
>You can easily see this because great novels go beyond the mere construction of their language.
I'm going to need you to give a very specific example of this. The end result of a massive amount of sentences will have a complex layer of information but novels have no other methods of communicating information to you other than words.
9dcec9 No.14900875
>>14900710
>displaced neofags don't like thing
>literally no one cares
I have a question for /v/ in general. What do you think nuNeofag's admin will get caught doing? He basically remade neogaf there's just no way he's not sex criminal or at least a soon to be sex criminal.
57ff13 No.14900881
>>14900819
Prove me wrong.
3bfc4d No.14900884
Kamiya can always piss off people without eventrying. Everyone always takes his tweets so damn seriously.
He's pretty much just saying he's not pretentious enough to consider his games "ART" when he's just trying to make something fun.
8df233 No.14900886
>>14900867
>>14900869
Attempts to deeply classify will always miss the point, you'll forever describe properties and miss the overall intuition or gestalt. It's art when you know it.
84d32f No.14900894
>>14900884
He's like an inverse manlet, making everyone else around him mad.
f6b9ab No.14900897
>>14900886
I view the point of language to be accurately conveying information and ideas, to this end I don't like words that aren't clearly defined.
4c82f5 No.14900899
>>14900710
>Japanese Trump
This made me laugh more than it should
8df233 No.14900905
>>14900897
The reality of the human organism makes it that language has limitations, therefore man makes art.
c3194e No.14900909
The only people who want games to be art are either Marxists attempting to infiltrate and subvert or insecure faggots who want their hobby vindicated by some nebulous group, as if they need to justify how they choose to waste their time.
f6b9ab No.14900913
>>14900905
While I agree art can convey some ideas better than language I don't agree that the definition of the word itself should be subjective.
bf7756 No.14900915
8df233 No.14900918
>>14900913
It isn't subjective, it doesn't exist, it lies outside definition or else we'd just say it.
f6b9ab No.14900922
>>14900918
>It isn't subjective, it doesn't exist
I'm talking about the word "art", are you arguing that the word doesn't exist despite being used for centuries and listed in all English dictionaries?
dbb6ff No.14900923
>>14900866
A photo of a pretty flower you found outside is as tantamount to art as a diary entry describing it, and diaries are certainly not art. Communicating visual information, no matter how inane it is, is intrinsically useful as data. As much as the layman's opinion is useful as an opinion.
>>14900867
>lighting, framing
Both of those things already existed in regards to painting were you wanted an aesthetically lit subject. Lighting does not make something art not does framing.
>exposure time
Shutter speed affects the final quality of the picture yes, and pictures can be low or high quality, that doesn't make them art that just changes the accuracy of the photo. Which goes down with shutter speed.
>>14900886
>giving an example would prove how full of shit my definition is
Good to know
c3194e No.14900929
>>14900918
>you know it when you see it
>it's not subjective tho lmao
You're this dumb.
2657bf No.14900934
Games are art. Art does not mean "good". Art is not synonymous with "high art". Art is any human creation that shows either imagination or technical skill.
Faggots need to stop romanticizing the word "art". It's a simple descriptive term. That said, Kamiya is entitled to his opinion. I never understand why people get so fucking butthurt at somebody not thinking the way they do.
ba5122 No.14900949
Only pretentious hipsters fags care. That's the point.
Go back to watching Bazooper, Ricky&Morty or other high-intellectual hobbies, videogames are not art.
8df233 No.14900956
>>14900922
>>14900923
>>14900929
It's like a koan, if you say it, you miss the point. I will say there are different classes of people, so no worries if it seems like fortune cookie bullshit to you.
>>14900934
That is craft.
dbb6ff No.14900961
>>14900956
>It's like a koan
Something outside of reason and meant to remove you from objective reality? And therefore, is subjective?
2657bf No.14900963
>>14900956
>That is craft.
No, because then singing or dancing would be considered "craft". Craft is art, but not all art is craft.
c3194e No.14900974
>>14900956
>It's like a koan, if you say it, you miss the point. I will say there are different classes of people, so no worries if it seems like fortune cookie bullshit to you.
So it's anything except for a logical, coherent argument? I could've told you that, minus the part where you sucked your own dick for being so smart on the internet.
8df233 No.14900978
>>14900961
Outside the dichotomy itself.
>>14900963
They are craft, but can contain art.
8df233 No.14900984
>>14900974
Almost, it isn't anything, but it's certainly not a logical coherent argument.
74e7e5 No.14901000
>>14900729
>Games contain art despite not being art themselves.
Games are art, at least in the sense that they should require technical mastery in order to excel at. It is an art in the same manner of speech as martial arts, or when watching a particularly innovative and effective chess strategy - and can evoke many of the same emotions as traditional art. A daring last minute gamble on the football field that scores a winning goal can move the audience viewing the event to rapture as they stand and cheer - just as sure as a novel or sculpture can move the viewer into feelings of joy, or sorrow.
The crux of the issue, however, is that when defined this way - the art of the game is only manifest when the player demonstrates that technical mastery. It is a participatory form of art which must be manually invoked by the player through their skill and experience with the game - it cannot be passively consumed and interpreted. So whereas in traditional art (that most people consider colloquially when it's mentioned), you don't necessarily have to know a goddamned thing about art in order to critique, discuss, or recommend it - games require you to git gud in order to even be classified as an art. Anyone who does not git gud, is effectively locked out of the experience. And especially in these days of hyper-PC culture banging on about inclusiveness (and an industry that wants to sell as many copies of a game as possible, to as many people as possible), then requiring the manual effort to invoke the artistry potential in a product is a big no-no. Better (more profitable, anyhow) to simply classify games as a traditional media art to be consumed passively (even to the point of being nearly the same experience just watching it on Twitch).
85eddc No.14901003
Resetera is cancer but games are art, at least under the law and there's plenty of examples of games passing muster to be considered art. At the very least, there are plenty of art elements such as visual assets and soundtracks within games.
Also Kamiya probably blocks the same amount of people as a neofag would anyways, he's an easily triggered washed up faggot who spouts incredibly retarded ideas
b23e67 No.14901012
>>14900978
Art is anything and everything that requires creativity to make. "Craft" is just anything you make. Naturally there's an overlap. Videogames are always art. Even with corperations stifling creativity at every possible juncture, it still has to exist at some point for a game to exist.
Like he said before though, Art does not define quality, nor does it define what anything should be or attempt to be. Quite the contrary really, being art means it should be left the fuck alone and people shouldn't be fucking with what the artists want to create.
f6b9ab No.14901017
>>14901000
I agree, after stopping to think about a logical definition of art I changed my mind with my later posts.
>requiring the manual effort to invoke the artistry potential in a product is a big no-no
Sadly you are spot on here.
80fdf0 No.14901025
individual components of games are art but games themselves are not art
ba5122 No.14901034
>>14900934
That's the kind of person who care if games are art or not.
The ones trying to "push the medium to as a higher art form". Since they failed in the movie industry, they try to be the next Tarkovsky in a kids' play industry, but nobody takes them seriously because videogames are for kids and not art.
8df233 No.14901039
>>14901012
Not everyone is the same. Pursuing craft and using talent combined with intuition and perception can lead to the unveiling of part of a truth through art, but again those are all properties and aspects. A useless person makes, sees, and is nothing but shit, regardless of their creativity in displaying it.
b23e67 No.14901042
>>14901039
Just because it's shit doesn't make it not art. It's just shitty art. Just because it's art doesn't make it worth preserving either, shit is shit.
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8df233 No.14901056
>>14901042
If I swim poorly enough that I drown, can it be said I have swum at all? One must refine themselves or they cannot make art or see truth. It's not the product it's the person.
9b7517 No.14901060
Games are art, but I don't really care that he doesn't think they are, this is gon b gud.
3f0c6d No.14901072
Games aren't art, anyone who says otherwise is an inbred liberal faggot cuck sucker. But watch these faggots squirm.
3f0c6d No.14901076
>>14900755
rollllllllllllll
e13477 No.14901090
>>14900815
So what's "creative" about a some feminst slut dripping period blood on a canvas and how is it that it can be "experienced" by others?
>>14900755
rawlin'
>>14900934
Wait, so you're saying feminist art isn't art? And neither is that faggots gallery of butthole pictures? What are you some kind of nazi, anon?
>>14901060
>gay popcorn.gif
REDDIT FAGGOT IDENTIFIED
469f0b No.14901091
>>14900843
t. guy who knows nothing about photography.
b23e67 No.14901092
>>14901056
Is it not swimming when the current drags you under, in spite of being a great swimmer? Both of these acts are described the same, both of them ARE swimming, they are just unsuccessful.
96dac0 No.14901093
469f0b No.14901098
Games in and of themselves are not an art, but a craft. However, there can be art contained within games.
b23e67 No.14901107
>>14901098
Games, in and of themselves, are made with creativity for the intent of evoking emotions. Whether those emotions are simple pleasure of enjoyment or more complex is irrelevant. Games are, in and of themselves, art by definition.
77af49 No.14901114
>all this arguing while thread was supposed to be about laughing at neofag tears
I was about to say it looked pretty tame until I saw it had 22 pages of this shit
230388 No.14901118
>>14901107
The definition of art is anything "made with creativity for the intent of evoking emotions"? So I could shit shit on a canvas (to evoke emotions of disgust), and as long as it's done in a creative enough fashion you'll call it art?
9a53c1 No.14901119
Cucked Era are all leftist shits. The ought to be killed. Not heard.
>>14900729
This.
b23e67 No.14901124
>>14901118
Yep. Just because it's art doesn't mean I have to respect it though. Like I keep saying shit is shit, art or otherwise.
b23e67 No.14901138
>>14901124
>>14901118
Oh, and there's no "creative enough". I absolutely reject any and all subjectivity in these definitions. The definition of art must be purely objective, which means it allows for no basis of "quality" or "goodness" or any other opinionated crap.
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77af49 No.14901174
>>14901138
just don't forget to differentiate between art and fine/high art
b23e67 No.14901178
>>14901174
I don't particularly like the word "fine" or "high" art because it allows someone to define something as inherently good, which leads to abuse where the people who define it fall into the trappings of "modern art". However, if you are going to use a term it is certainly more exclusive and qualitative by design, and if you want to exclude video games from the category of "fine/high art" then I can't really argue with that subjective decision.
a3867c No.14901182
>>14900755
Art of the games is the gameplay. Now, good fucking luck finding a game good enough.
>>14900817
More or less. Art is about calling other fags inferior with such skill that they feel good from looking at it. They want to subvert it because they have superiority, skill and effort, because they lack those qualities and don't want to acquire them, but to avoid being inferior they want to drag everybody else down with them.
>>14901114
>Kamiya is a rude guy
For you.
>>14901174
It's kinda funny that in Polish "art" and "craft" can be synonymous at times. Anglosphere leftists have it easier, the term itself doesn't mock them.
77af49 No.14901187
>>14901178
>it allows someone to define something as inherently good, which leads to abuse
everything you've ever liked
everything you've ever loved
everything you've ever treasured and held dear
will be and has already been raped, abused and made meretricious by parasites and contenless leeches
going to have to remember that meretricious word now, I like it
537ec1 No.14901217
Is Resetera worse than Neofag?
b40d37 No.14901219
f7fc5f No.14901224
>>14901217
It's more like Neofag with all the faggotry condensed into something even more pure awful. It's like someone filtered out the tiny, microscopic positive use Neofag had (what very little there was). and left behind something with even less goodwill.
What's left is 99.9% pure cancer. Crystallized brain death.
77af49 No.14901242
>>14901235
only if you have a high enough IQ
2f4755 No.14901244
>>14901235
For the DM provided it's a homebrew setting.
Because thats basically fantasy writing. If they use a premade one its not.
c62f4a No.14901248
>>14900710
>kamiya-says-games-are-not-art
Kojima said so too.
And they're both right.
77af49 No.14901252
>>14901224
reading through that thread, there seem to be some normal-ish people lingering around
77f88c No.14901278
>>14901252
I wouldn't consider anyone willing to walk on eggshells to post on a forum to be normal. If you read the rules on the front page and still want to sign up you have a few screws loose by default.
439b51 No.14901297
>>14900755
Rolling for loli.
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e65c2b No.14901317
>>14901174
>and have no practical use
What if I use painting to cover a hole in my wallpaper, or use sculpture as doorstopper?
77af49 No.14901323
>>14901278
david really does seem like the least cucked redditor on there
>>14901317
then your abuse of it lowers its status down to regular ol' art I guess, mr. Maski Show enthusiast
9d9e42 No.14901330
If games are not art, neither are movies, or any other agreed form of art where 95% of its pieces have been engineered by a team of psychologists and marketers to make them popular.
As said before, being qualified as art means jack shit. Just because museums are full of good art doesn't mean art is all good, and there are plenty terrible examples across history, some so fucking terrible even (((modern critics))) agree they are terrible. Being art doesn't make your piece mystical and magical.
e65c2b No.14901335
>>14901323
It's not Maski-Show, it's Ostorozhno Modern 2, you uncultured swine.
a6553a No.14901341
>>14901091
>t.
Are you gonna link him to your tumblr account full of pitctures of trashbags hanging from trees cuckcboi?Does your dad work for Kodak too?
10d3fc No.14901362
>>14900729
Kojima once described games not as art but as art galleries in which you experience different pieces of art in a sequence loosely directed by the creator. By that he meant not just the individual assets themselves but the composition of the scenes in the game, though.
4be1b7 No.14901371
Who cares, Kamiya's just the fucking Japanese [guy I don't like]
Fuck him
77af49 No.14901391
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14901335
fuck you're right
Can you blame me, it's been like 20 years since I've watched the two.
Here's a freight train of feels for making me feel stupid.
87bfc0 No.14901429
6d241b No.14901465
Since "art" nowadays most likely means "a pig carcass suspended in a hollow plexiglass crucifix filled with urine" (it symbolizes the fight against christofascism and FVCK BONALD DRIMPF), I'm okay with that sentiment.
fc04f7 No.14901615
>>14900821
I distinctly remember them sperging out amongst each other about whether the human eye could see more than 30 frames per second when an article came out about The Order 1886 and their creators coming up with cinematic claptrap to justify poor performance for mediocre graphics. I don't think they're qualified in any capacity to talk video game technicals.
Most sadly, the Ghost Song dev is in the NEOFag cancer circle and I've been following him ever since he first fucked around with Stencyl.
df0cb6 No.14901632
>>14900817
>>14900710
There is a documentary I would highly recommend watching it's called "why beauty matters" and it's important because it talks about the topic of art and what is considered Art. It shows that when Marxists/Leftist types do not have a threshold or a standard to hold art at a good level then Art is devalued and has no meaning. For example in Communist countries a few lines is considered Art, a urinal is considered Art due to its abstract expression. But the huge problem is you lose culture due to the lack of effort put in. It wants to devalue effort from those that put in the work or are trying to make everyone else just as miserable as they are due to their envy that they dislike someone else being more successful or putting in the time rising above the ladder.
I should also mention that in Europe, America there is statues that are made of beauty that raised morale for soldier's to fight on the battlefield to give reason to protect culture, society and their people. Imagine if they had Tumblr tier art or even this Marxist art back in the day? They would have lost everything.
https://youtu.be/bHw4MMEnmpc
Also here is the video I talked about.
af9d8f No.14901634
>>14901371
Fuck off with your gay posts and your ugly little faggot dog.
64e978 No.14901650
>games are art
>games aren't art
WHO FUCKING CARES?
80349c No.14901671
>make a neutral comment stating Kamiya considers his work entertainment first
>get blocked
thanks japanese trump
9c2a43 No.14901680
>>14901650
Pretentious fags who take their opinions way too seriously.
1a9fa4 No.14901776
>>14901671
who blocked you?
1ba28b No.14901797
>>14900710
>vidya is art
<but they really need to grow up and change the following things, so I can be comfortable with it
t. every numale and screeching harpy ever
77af49 No.14901826
Who has the patience to sip through all of this autism?
1ba28b No.14901835
>>14901826
not me, forgot my sippy cup
e7074c No.14901842
>>14901826
>Game are art, just because some devs concentrate on half-naked chicks
Half-naked, hell full naked chicks are some of the most common subjects of art. Bet they think the Rape of Proserpina is a problematic piece.
77af49 No.14901849
>>14901835
well find it and start seeping, smartass
77af49 No.14901903
>>14901855
COMB!
I MEANT TO SAY COOOOOMB!
I'm pretty sure there was a clip of Carlin yelling COOOOOMB the same way he said TOOOODD
1bdf9d No.14902092
>>14900934
>Games are art
No, games are toys.
Video games will never be art and copying movies (like David Cage and Kojimbo) won't make it art either.
When these people say that "video games are art" it's only games that have a shitty "mature" dark story (a dad and his kid, muh emotions) and next to no proper gameplay. They say that because they want to reassure themselves and their parents that they didn't fail their lives. They wanted to be considered as intellectuals but they only know pop culture (and pop culture isn't a culture).
e7074c No.14902098
>>14902092
In defense of Kojima, he said he doesn't consider games art.
9bcdc6 No.14902101
>>14901632
That's the point of Communism, it's a social bioweapon used to destroy countries.
Art is a fucking product, it always was a product a fucking century ago, hell it's only recently with the kikes that they've been shitting up art with their worthless garbage. Whether you call a video game art or not doesn't make it not a fucking product but the word art itself is a fucking taboo now, nobody likes using the word, only communists and kikes use it to subvert human culture and creation by deliberately shitting it up.
9bcdc6 No.14902104
>>14902098
They aren't, they shouldn't be art, they have no reason to be communist, subversive kike propaganda.
c4798c No.14902114
>>14902092
>Video games will never be art
You can elevate something to an art form if your craftsmanship is sufficient.
e7074c No.14902119
>>14902101
>only communists and kikes use it to subvert human culture and creation by deliberately shitting it up.
I would just give the fault to the kikes: the entire shitshow that is postmodern art, and later abstract art, is all thanks to the CIA and their plan to counter Soviet Realism. As now it's basically the best way to launder money and push propaganda.
9a53c1 No.14902120
>>14902092
This.
As well as video games MUST be entertaining, even those that are not made as products. Therefore, not art.
But they can contain art.
>>14902114
Then your work individually is art. Not the whole genre of what you have worked on.
Paint is not art. Paintings are.
9bcdc6 No.14902121
>>14902119
The CIA is literally run by communist kikes you stupid motherfucker.
c4798c No.14902128
>>14902119
>Then your work individually is art. Not the whole genre of what you have worked on.
>Paint is not art. Paintings are.
This is correct
>As well as video games MUST be entertaining,
This is also correct. It is the a game, therefore it must be entertaining.
c4798c No.14902131
1e5bbe No.14902136
Games aren't art though. They're political manifesto tier at best which still isn't art.
e7074c No.14902138
>>14902136
Futurism Manifesto is art though and Marinetti was basically an extreme anarchist.
1e5bbe No.14902146
>>14902138
No it's not and everything he predicted was wrong and went to the worst thanks to advancements.
74cfa0 No.14902147
>>14900739
I wouldn’t blame the whole post-modernism for it because it can produce good art. The modern art is just the “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” approach taken to the extreme.
e7074c No.14902157
>>14902146
> everything he predicted was wrong
He was absolutely right: the man wanted violence everywhere and advocated for extreme liberalism exactly because he knew society would go down the drain, hence why he was in favor for shit like feminism,women voting and working,etc.
c312fb No.14902170
77af49 No.14902178
The way I see it, games aren't meant to be art. They are designed as entertainment first and foremost (or at least they should be, now we have videogames as lifestyles and services) and while they can have artistic value, they are not inherently art in and of themselves.
Art is defined as a lot of things and its meaning has been altered throughout all of human history. The common definition seems to be a form or skill of creative expression of the author's interpretation of the world around him and his imagination. Some art forms may be purely aesthetical in nature, as in without any particular applied use, while others like architecture and vidya can be seen as helpful to the general populace outside of art sphere.
Now here comes some personal opinion: a collaborative effort is difficult for me to interpret as a pure art form, since all the artists would be required to have a single vision of their project. This is why it's hard for me to accept video games and movies as works of art unless the person at the helm has complete creative control and the entire team works like a well oiled machine. While it is possible for them to achieve the status of true or even high art, it's such a rare occurrence that it may as well not exist. While I would like to live in a world where there is something for everyone and enough of it, that's just a fantasy.
Video games can easily have artistic value, with all the concept artists spending months on end designing every square inch of the world they create and composers pouring their hearts into a soundtrack that would breathe life into an artificial world, I cannot deny these people have exerted a lot of effort into their projects. But effort and pretty pictures do not make art by themselves. There has to be passion, direction, a message (preferably a timeless one) and at least a hint of true beauty.
c54ce2 No.14902190
>>14902121
>communist kikes that spent half a century subverting communist states
You are beyond reform brainlet.
4e5216 No.14902196
>>14902147
The whole zero-effort "beauty is subjective" shit started under modernism with faggots like Pollock, Newman and Moore, it's just way easier to justify using post-modernist rhetoric.
acc6bf No.14902197
>>14900739
While it's true postmodernism has devolved into being whatever people want it to be so that they can say what they do is art, I think the biggest problem is that every dumbass that dabbles in this sort of thing want to be the next Kojima, the next auteur. They want to be recognized for how ~thought-provoking~ and ~deep~ their particular product is, they don't just want to be that guy who made a fun game people liked. It's just a bunch of people who think their shit smells better than everybody else's, a bit like the average person who gets into heated twitter spats.
1bdf9d No.14902202
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>>14902120
>video games MUST be entertaining
This. Everytime I hear someone say "video games are art" I think of the trailer for Oscar Gold from American Dad. David Cage is the perfect example of that, all he talks about is "muh emotions" but it's always about sadness, depressing stories. Neil Druckmann is also like that, after TLoU he decided to ruin Uncharted with the 4th one by turning Nathan Drake into a boring character.
1ccfcb No.14902209
>>14900710
Video games are art but the art is in how the design of the environment and player agency leads them to learn mechanics and make decisons instead of having huge pop-up tutorial windows and glowing 'GO HERE' markers, not how many filters and popular quotes you can stuff into a walking sim. Same with literature and film, the art comes from the use of language and framing of shots respectively, not just from what's literally displayed on screen or described in the text being 2deep4u
17c1b2 No.14902213
>videogames are entertainment, not art
This sound like the sort of opinion that the popcorn munching faggots who buy the latest call of duty and assassins creed would believe.
bf5bba No.14902219
>>14900710
>Japanese Trump
Two simple words, but they raise so many questions.
acc6bf No.14902224
>>14902219
He's Japanese Trump because he's a) japanese and b) Trump is the physical embodiment of everything they don't like. It's them going Literally Japanese Hitler because he disagrees with them, i.e. that he's the worst of the worst because he doesn't agree with them.
51c41e No.14902225
I hate how art has become so synonymous with shit these days.
At this point it's better to just call good art not art because calling it art is putting alongside a literal can of shit.
4e5216 No.14902238
>>14902225
This reminds me of that copypasta of a sculptor anon getting offended at being called an artist.
c4a809 No.14902239
>>14902225
>At this point it's better to just call good art not art
That's what the postmodernists putting shit in cans wanted in the first place.
9a53c1 No.14902242
>>14902239
This.
It must be called good art, separated from "art".
4c0571 No.14902256
If video games are art then ping pong rackets and pool tables are also art.
cd22f7 No.14902259
This debate exists since at least the early 00's, at least from my experience in message boards. It was mostly pushed by what in my country was known as "gafapastas" (ie, this kind of pseudo-intellectual, pretentious individuals who liked to make themselves interesting about how refined their tastes in cinema were), but this time applied to video games. "Hey, this is sophisticated, elitist stuff. Stop with the kiddy hobby epitets". They wanted to be seen as first picrelated when playing video games be seen as book collectors when showing pictures of their shelves full of video games.
But honestly, would you call this toy art? It's basically your average racing game of the early 80's but in mechanical form: /watch?v=OmVaZ2jRUvU Also, are card games art? The artwork in the card is, the game itself isn't. Same can apply to video games. Its artwork is art, its music is art, its game mechanics aren't.
I have no need to "feel important" when playing video games. They're what they are, they are good at being what they are and it's enough for me.
77af49 No.14902260
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>>14902202
I've watched a movie exactly like that with some friends. We laughed our asses off and call it "Murphy's Law: The Movie".
874bf0 No.14902269
>>14900755
Didn't read the OP.
Just here for some digits.
71f067 No.14902273
>>14901090
is that gif supposed to move?
c03fdb No.14902275
>>14900755
Not sure if games are art but waifus sure are.
77af49 No.14902278
>>14902247
did he ever post the full dragon?
c4798c No.14902310
>>14902275
>any cute girl=waifu
stop
7759a9 No.14902345
>are games art
That's a subjective question, really. It depends on your definition of art, and whether vidya fits into it. While the most objective way to do it would be to go by the dictionary definition of the word, let's be honest, how many people agree on definitions of words? Go ask /leftypol/ what real communism is.
Here's how I see it. Art is pretentious garbage, and it always was. It might be pretty to look at, keyword MIGHT, but most times, it really isn't. Is Da Vinci's work good? Sure, but I wouldn't dare say it's that great. Sure, it probably took a lot of work, but there are hundreds of Bob Ross paintings done in 15 minutes that look far better. Van Gogh as well, was criticized until after his death, some kikes decided that they could make billions by pretending his work is worth something. Most art is either pretentious as hell, or is only famous because some jews told you that it's good.
Video games have the same. Things like Gone Home, or more accurately, God of War and Uncharted, movie games that look fine enough but play like shit, yet got universal praise because jews can make money off of it. Those games are true art.
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b53761 No.14902348
>>14900755
I agree.
Mist games are trasg, but gaming is just a medium, so there's no reason for games being incapable of being art.
46f2c6 No.14902361
>>14900755
rolli rolli give me the lolioli
1347b9 No.14902378
Jesus, not this shit again. Video games are toys for children and emotionally stunted adults with arrested development. Calling video games art is like calling Monopoly art; you're either a retarded post-modernist, or desperate for approval from your parents.
ddbe9e No.14902394
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c7b8b2 No.14902401
Whether games are art or not is irrelevant to my interests.
However, ever since we got a push for muh art games all I ever got was:
>walking simulators
>games as a statement
>game journalists looking for self validation
>shit game mechanics for the sake of art
>2deep4u
Seriously, fuck all games are art fags.
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9fdd8a No.14902411
>>14901090
>So what's "creative" about a some feminst slut dripping period blood on a canvas and how is it that it can be "experienced" by others?
Very little. The anon you quoted already stated that calling something art says nothing about the quality or the effort put in to create it.
80349c No.14902429
>>14901776
Kamiya, who else
b53761 No.14902440
>>14902101
>bioweapon
It's called a psyop, you fucking mong.
8133a1 No.14902453
Resetera is full of people that defend pedos. Who gives a fuck what they think. They are also so dumb they think Black Panther a comic thought up by Stan Lee a white dude is "black culture". They are the dumbest fucks on the internet.
77af49 No.14902476
>>14902453
the thread was meant to be about us laughing at resetera being butthurt, but it turned into a bit of a debate here instead.
OP was a (1) and done faggot who only posted 3 examples from page 1 and I was the only guy here who actually went there to look for real salt, which I barely found. It was mostly people arguing with each other about semantics (not just abut the meaning of the word art, but about how people worded their posts).
9fdd8a No.14902477
>>14902453
The best thing about Black Panther is all those Africans that think Wakanda is real.
1bdf9d No.14902493
>>14902453
>Stan Lee
>a white dude
1347b9 No.14902501
>>14902477
>implying it isn't
2e9374 No.14902503
>>14902190
>what is controlling both sides to achieve a goal
I think your buttbuddy (((lenin))) said something about that.
978d0f No.14902553
>>14901090
gif is broken, fag
d2c01f No.14902556
bdcb46 No.14902586
Better question, are games fun?
b72339 No.14902589
>>14900739
Sets of rules isn't art. Hence games aren't art. Assets in games are art.
a3867c No.14902596
>>14902586
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FUN
>>14902589
if you're going by that logic, games can't be fun because all they are is 0s and 1s arranged by certain rules, and no digital object can be art.
77af49 No.14902629
>>14902596
>THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FUN
what's with the cuckchan talk?
3826cd No.14902638
Art was supplanted by ((art))) ages ago.
Anti-meritocracy is a recurring theme with ((them))). You see it every time parasites take over a something and the quality produced is severely diminished if not entirely destroyed. Video games are undergoing this push against meritocracy in favor of political cronyism and we can see the results.
14595c No.14902659
6e3789 No.14902668
>>14901000
But by that definition, professional hot dog eating is "art", it takes technical mastery and the cultivation of skills over years that few people possess. It just unfortunately is crass, boorish, and ugly (just like video games).
Art isn't made through cultivation of skill or the proper execution of such skill, art is perfectly contained within artistic mediums; mediums which aren't limited by gross factors like the need for player interactivity. For what it's worth I would include martial arts as a "low" art form, masterful movement and form work of the human body is genuine artistic expression, much more so than software shit out by corporate bug people, even if I wouldn't put it on par with the work of the renaissance masters.
Some mediums simply can't produce artistic and beautiful things of that sort, that speak to some part of the human condition. Videogames and playing videogames, along with polynesian fecal statuary and somalian creative penile mutilation are just inherently stupid and trivial forms of expression.
>>14901012
>Videogames are always art
Videogames are never art. At best they contain elements, like the music or maybe even the "plot", which are artistic, but any artistic value is annihilated by inclusion into the whole.
To broaden the term to include base and stupid mediums like videogames, which are software meant to entertain children and niggers, is to have it logically extend to anything and everything. Pissing your name in the snow is "art", the ingredients list on the back of a cereal box is "art", the fat negress on the debate team proudly shouting "Bix Nood!" is "art". The only problem is that none of those things are remotely artistic or worth anything. To make the term so broad that it is inclusive of everything is to hollow it out, and for it to mean nothing. It's identical to relativist idiots who think morality is "whatever you want to do". If there is no objective standard against which it is measured, then morality, like art, doesn't exist.
If everything is moral, then nothing is moral. If everything is art, then nothing is art.
b72339 No.14902689
>>14902596
No my logic is fine. Rules aren't the same thing as assets. Tic Tac Toe is not art. Neither are games.
d09bcc No.14902705
>This many faggots spouting "muh games are art"
never change nu-/v/, i can finally say that without a doubt the metastasis is complete, it took 4 years but here we are. cuckchan 2.0
0d46a9 No.14902711
>>14902705
>why isn't this place the hivemind I'm used to? This must be a cuckcuck invasion!
e316f9 No.14902722
Everything is art.
But if everything is art nothing is art.
Oh.
a3867c No.14902737
>>14902689
assets are made up from various rules
d09bcc No.14902738
>>14902711
Is beyond that, you see, you people now polluted another place without understanding it or its culture, look at this retard for example >>14901034 who truly believes an iconic game like MFS that was born in the late 70's early 80's was seen as a game for "kids". Honestly i dont even consider you lot as sentient beings capable of agency, you are just another normalfag spouing shit you have no clue about. Enjoy my last reply, i have better things to do to sit and watch as you idiots continue the pollution of the web from your phones
9035c1 No.14902764
He's right you know, games were made for entertainment not as art forms.
>>14900755 (Checked)
Rollan'
>>14900837
Greetings, NeoFAG.
220b48 No.14902778
>>14900755 (checked)
Might as well just roll
9a53c1 No.14902791
>>14902409
Leave it to the local deformed kike to bring up Schindler's List into any discussion. A propaganda piece for a lie is not art. Never was, and never will be.
77af49 No.14902800
>>14902791
oy vey, how can one goy be so antisemitic, I'll need 6 million shekels now to erect a big black square obelisk in remembrance of the 7 gorillion!
48db47 No.14902821
0a969d No.14902845
>>14902453
Oy vey, that's right goy (((Stanley Martin Lieber))) is a white man just like you.
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d94cdc No.14902910
>>14902835
They have more artistic merit than anything the art students and celeb artists shit out tbh.
607594 No.14902911
>>14900710
games being art in america offers it 1st amendment protections and protects it from government mandated censorship/banning. the kind that lieberman and hillary were after in the 90s up until games were considered art.
why would you not want games to legally be considered art?
d94cdc No.14902920
>>14902911
And they're still censored to death these days by neo-marxist infiltrators.
4fe4f3 No.14902923
>>14900755
rollin' rollin' rollin'
77af49 No.14902925
>>14902911
because that would also shield it from criticism and fills the gaming genre with even artsy fartsy faggots than we have now
554eb0 No.14902930
>K-Kamiya is mean to everyone!
That's code for "he doesn't suck our dick so he's bad!".
Bunch of kids, but then again, that's what forums are for.
0e71e4 No.14902935
>>14902910
Unironically this. Going to respectfully disagree with Kamiya here. Games are an art form, but not in the way the "games are art" crowd thinks they are.
5b04de No.14902951
>>14902925
>Art is shielded from criticism
It isn't though. Anyone can say a song or a movie are shit.
Art is a buzzword anyway.
195310 No.14902952
This thread is still going wtf? Also fuck off back to Resetera you dumb cunts!
ba17b4 No.14902969
>>14902911
wtf are you talking about, as long as its recognized as a form of expression (it already is) then it's under first amendment protections.
Classifying it as art doesn't offer it anything it doesn't already have.
77af49 No.14902974
>>14902951
not today you can't, you bigot
>art is a buzzword
yes today it is. Maybe it was in the past as well, they did have fops back in the day.
2803b9 No.14902996
>>14900710
Games are, in the following order:
consummer products > electronic toys & entretainament > artistic narrative mediums
Kamiya focuses on the first 2 becos he's a pro and number 3 comes naturaly becos they guy and his team have talent
people who bitch about muh "artsy vidya" are the same kind of faggots who enjoy walky-talky not-unskipable cutscenes, hand holding and spoon feeding in le current year not-visual novels cus they have QTEs shoehorned in
b6865d No.14903071
b40d37 No.14903210
Do anybody even give a fuck about that bitch baby?
1591e8 No.14903242
>>14902835
Every single one of these screenshots could be a painting.
dc161b No.14903282
>>14900816
>>14900815
Here's a question. What about games that communicate a message or a feeling through interaction? I've heard the definition that art is something which communicates a message, regardless of how simple it is (i.e. "the north american landscape is really pretty"). Likewise, to use a basic example, at the beginning of God of War 3 you gouge Poseidon's eyes out with a quicktime event and the controller layout makes you feel like you're actually doing it (L3+R3). That's a really basic example, obviously I'm not about to hop around claiming that quicktime events are artistic masterpieces, but on a basic level it has what I'm talking about.
Also, what about interactive stories that make the player realize they fucked up or that their actions had unintended consequences? Fallout 1 is a good example of this. Branching narratives aren't possible in other media and I think it gives games a unique form of artistic expression.
e73699 No.14903367
Art is simply the conveyance of beauty via media/performance. Yes, games can do that. Perhaps they are more of a composite art-form than most others, but there is a potential beauty in the experience of the whole.
Now since beauty is a matter of perception, the real nitty gritty are questions like: What does someone's standard of beauty say about them? Is there an objective standard by which ideals of beauty could be judged as refined or degraded? Do the greatest beauties require sophistication to appreciate?
cee1e9 No.14903425
db9693 No.14903523
>>14901826
>"Why are Mario's overalls red?"
They're not.
c4798c No.14903573
>>14903523
they were in Donkey Kong. Of course that faggot probably never played or even watched it.
740478 No.14903594
It doesn't actually matter whether video games are art. It never truly did. What really matters is what the fuck people do after believing that games are art. If a guy just does nothing after making a conclusion about video games being art, then it's pretty much just harmless shit, but still a waste of time.The topic is on par with whether or not VNs or walking sims are video games. It doesn't matter if they actually are, the whole point is that there's people trying to make companies and consumers think that "gamey" video games are old hat and obsolete, so they can reduce the amount of superior competition in order to peddle their melodrama hurt feelings movie games and glorified in-engine animation viewers where the gamepad is just a TV remote with "unpause scene" buttons. The one other thing such people can do following any acknowledgement of video games being art is using "muh art" as a tautological shield against criticism. It's why when competent game devs make games, they usually don't talk about their own games being art.
TL;DR the status of "art" is irrelevant to video games, but be wary when anyone more left leaning or influential than you in the industry believes that games are art.
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ca2b0c No.14904236
>>14900755
Rolin for some good art.
c2be39 No.14904468
>>14900949
>Only pretentious hipsters fags care
>videogames are not art
I guess that makes you a pretentious hipster fag then.
e4f75a No.14904471
>>14900755
gimme that shit
bdcb46 No.14904488
>>14900755
before I forget
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4304d3 No.14904649
>>14900755
Doing it. Also checked.
f4cdee No.14904772
f4cdee No.14904783
>>14904772
>barely missed trips
shit
6d2a98 No.14904961
f4dc57 No.14905009
>>14900755
They're all qts so I'm okay with anything
19f909 No.14905742
Do we still have people in the reset gera modteam?
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b72339 No.14906038
>>14902737
No they aren't. A texture is an asset. The restriction that you can't shoot a gun when you're out of ammo isn't.
2738da No.14906142
>Le ping pong drumpf xD
My heart's desire is an ethnic cleansing.
9a53c1 No.14906452
>>14906142
Work what you can to contribute into achieving that. Poison their food, rig their cars, make fatal "accidents" happen to them, with an always ready alibi, etc. Those soulless pieces of shit must be killed.
b72339 No.14906861
3b8f97 No.14906973
>>14900755
henshin a-go go baby
58c6af No.14907015
The "is games art" debate is on the same level as "is the earth spherical." No matter how irrefutable the conclusion, people will still deny it.
9caf73 No.14907844
9a53c1 No.14907900
>>14906861
It is being done right now.
80cc29 No.14908249
>>14902996
Underrated post.
b40d37 No.14908279
this thread is still alive lol
ad046d No.14908326
Art is so shit these days, no one sane wants to be associated with the label.
74e7e5 No.14908481
>>14902668
>But by that definition, professional hot dog eating is "art", it takes technical mastery and the cultivation of skills over years that few people possess.
Hot Dog eating could well be an art, though that is one of those examples where it may be very difficult for the lay observer to recognize skilled techniques without firsthand experience. Viewing a particularly skilled display of professional eating at an event as just a random observer, and viewing it as a veteran experienced professional eater - are I imagine two quite different experiences. It's not as viscerally apparent as, say, a display of technique in martial arts or sport.
cb06af No.14908509
>>14900755
Lewd monk please.
6e2ff6 No.14908513
>>14900710
They are right though. His games do suck.
33efc9 No.14908529
72bc85 No.14908535
I have a sleeper account I'm not using anymore. Any way to securely send the credentials over?
607594 No.14908564
>>14902969
but "form of expression" isnt actually a legal classification thus has 0 protections. art actually is. see the difference?
>>14902925
>what are art critics
criticism can cause companies to self-censor, but its ultimately their choice in what they release. artsy fartsy games existed before games were considered art.
>>14902920
not to the same degree. because theyre considered art a company could always refuse and release whatever shit they want and the neo-liberals cant do anything but complain.
if it wasnt art they could actually ban games from being sold in stores and move to ban games through legislation. like what hillary clinton and lieberman pushed for starting in the 90s, especially after columbine.
9f1708 No.14908569
>>14901090
>So what's "creative" about a some feminst slut dripping period blood on a canvas and how is it that it can be "experienced" by others?
Degenerate art is still by definition art. Calling something art has no bearing or whether or not it is good.
50c835 No.14908573
>>14906861
Shut the fuck up redditor.
075e70 No.14908615
>>14900710
But Kamiya is actually wrong this time. Not in pissing off spergs no, but in what is considered art. Prove me wrong.
Anything that had some creative input is, technically, art. But it being art means fuckall else. Transformers from Michael Bay is art, but it's awful art.
tl;dr retards think the word "art" means thats it's good, it's not.
b1719a No.14908665
>>14908279
>Innovative.
>They are all generic ass Beat 'em ups.
1433f7 No.14908689
>>14900755
I'm not intrested in discussion, i just want to roll
b72339 No.14908700
>>14907900
Not really no
>>14908573
stay mad faggot
47fde0 No.14908717
>>14908615
But, what if, Kamiya knows about the SJW push of games=art=politics and is effectively trolling them by disagreeing just because?
d86cba No.14908723
>>14900710
>And art is now under the control and scrutiny of the Frankfurt's school crowd.
He dodged a bullet, smart guy.
a69c92 No.14908726
a69c92 No.14908740
>>14901317
Then it is a hole hider and a doorstopper. Art is useless. It's there to be appreciated.
9a53c1 No.14908781
>>14908700
Yes, it is. Leftist women being killed. Faggots being deceived and murdered. and many more. You might turn in the news to see the action happening.
And of course, "accidental poisoning", especially for niggers.
c79721 No.14908801
>and Resetera is sperging out over it.
They sperg out over everything.
b72339 No.14908836
>>14908781
In US? In a quantity worth mentioning? If it's happening all the time people are obviously doing a bad job of covering their tracks. Despite this why do faggots think this is even effective? Nogs reproduce at a rate far beyond what faggots with no balls will be able to take care of. Once again fags can't solve problems in a feasible manor and resort to the level of niggers to put out a forest fire with a squirt bottle.
b72339 No.14908839
>>14908801
This. Call me when people raid them to an extent that they start committing soduko in waves.
5b9856 No.14908921
>>14900755
Gimme something good.
52ad02 No.14908972
>>14901118
> So I could shit shit on a canvas (to evoke emotions of disgust), and as long as it's done in a creative enough fashion you'll call it art?
Wow, do you have a degree in art? If not, somebody get this man a scholarship!
2eaaff No.14908991
the basic problem is that faggots, cuckolds, and demon-worshipping kikes have redefined "art" to place academic meaning at the center, so someone who just sees themselves as making fun/cool/beautiful things feels the need to distance themselves from the word
he's not saying that he doesn't take his work seriously, or doesn't think that it has value, he's just saying "i'm not like those faggots, don't associate me or my work with them"
821c00 No.14909012
As usual everyone misinterprets the "games are not art" statement.
What Mr.Kamiya means by this is he doesn't take things too seriously. He doesn't need self validation for an entertainment product.
Remember to not have a stick up your butt, guys.
74e7e5 No.14909555
>>14908726
Rollan to steal your thief.
b40d37 No.14909696
>>14908665
of course they are anon.
727785 No.14910627
>>14902440
>>14902101
your brain is made of biochemical matierial, and your thoughts are products of chemicals, so anything that effects your mind is a bioweapon. In fact, everything is a bioweapon, sneezing is a bioweapon, walking is a bioweapon because it impacts the bones and causes tears in muscle, sitting is a bioweapon because it causes the body to atrophy, and the pressure on your buttocks slowly but surely breaks them down.
The air itself is a bioweapon because it can and has effected you negatively. Water is a bioweapon because too much of it is bad for you, and too little of it is bad for you, and there's microorganisms in it that that will effect you negatively.
Everything is a bioweapon and so nothing is, including the actual ones the government uses. Everything is art and so nothing is, including the actual good art that deserves praise.
Welcome to La-La-Land. Where everything is subjective and so nothing is true unless you feel it is. And more importantly, unless I deem it is, with my clout and superior control over social media.
"Everything is if I say it is, and everything isn't if I deem it."
This is the sort of power they want. Which they can't get because it relies on damn near everyone being retarded as fuck, which just can't happen no matter how successful you are, because the human will to survive will insure that it can't be possible. You can only have control over a small circle of people and only for a time, after you start getting big they get out of control and then you can't control the mass human shitstorm anymore and without your leadership it eventually peters out as it's removed on it's own.
This is why they create group after group after group, because control is fleeting. Black Lives Matter, college SJWs, etc. This is why the system is self defeating, because you can't hold power over people, they have their own ideas, stupid as they may be.
b72339 No.14911259
>>14910627
>everything man does is a bioweapon
You are actually retarded just saying.