/v/ - Video Games

>>14899194

Half Life isn't really about physics though.

>>14899200

they pushed it at the time as being a game with a physics engine. I wouldn't say it has much of one at all. Definitely worse than what some other games were doing at the time.

Well yeah, it's the same reason why games like Croc had bad platforming despite being revolutionary from a technical perspective.

>>14899207

Oh, my bad then.

>>14899200

t. underage

>>14899207

>Definitely worse than what some other games were doing at the time

Any recommendations for someone looking for a physics-based fps to play?

>>14899200

>doesn't get the joke

>>14899231

thief 1 and 2? Physics are kind of a huge gimmick. Only ever seen one game where they are really important and it's just its own simplified version of physics, the umihara kawase games.

>>14899239

Thief 1 and 2 have aged like milk though. Interesting to toy around with but a complete chore to play.

>>14899246

>Thief 1 and 2 have aged like milk though. Interesting to toy around with but a complete chore to play.

t. casual faggot

>>14899241

it IS fun though

>>14899246

Totally disagree. Games don't age, you're gonna need to say something more meaningful there.

>>14899234

>>14899241 Get the point of the thread right. You fucking autists.

>>14899259

I finished 3/4 of it before I gave up it's not a difficult game. Guards have a massive lag between spotting you and getting properly alerted.

>>14899260

It is indeed. Best shotgun in any fps hands down.

>>14899262

I'm not sure I could put it in words easily. Everything about it feels clunky and outdated down to the controls. I see what they were going for but it was decades ahead of the technology to support it.

>>14899241

Agreed.

>>14899284

I played it like an ordinary FPS, rebound the controls a bit and thought it felt amazing. The movement alone is the best feeling movement I've seen in any game because of how organic it feels, where you can physically bend around corners just by leaning and moving a little. Did you rebind the controls?

>game is called half life

>you have no life

>>14899302

Lean keys aren't exactly a world-shattering concept. Also of course I rebound the controls it'd be downright impossible to play otherwise.

>>14899262

>Totally disagree. Games don't age

CONTRARIAN FAGGOT DETECTED

>>14899348

it still has vehicles (iirc) which COD only had in like one title

>>14899241

Shame 2 was a let down.

>>14899324

The way leaning is handled is what is revolutionary. Garrett has his collision model designed as a sort of snowman, to quote the programmers. This allows his body to contort around corners realistically, in thief 2, to contort over small walls, much like how you could bend over something in real life. The way its handled, how smooth it is, that to me was remarkable.

I really wish you'd get more specific with what you didn't like because the design is for the most part masterful, some levels still being the best of their kind, many of which have absolutely genius design direction. http://archive.is/QBADP

>>14899376

and yet the gameplay resembles nothing of the classics. It is a garbage fast-paced cowadooty clone with bigger maps and vehicles crammed in. The gameplay mechanics have changed.

>>14899339

Games don't age, if they're bad they were always bad, if they're good they were always good. Quality never changes, what you perceive as quality does. If you were 6 years old today playing these >>14899348 shitty games you would think they are amazing, when in reality you'd just be a 6 years old who doesn't know any better.

>>14899348

>Interactive digital entertainment

>It's not entertaining

>>14899423

names are a stupid thing to obsess over. It's still far more battlefield than cod, it's just not good, plain and simple.

>>14899194

2 improved the physics but was a shit game. I'd rather have the bad physics tbh.

>>14899262

Although I like Thief, I have to disagree with this. Game mechanics do age and can be improved upon. It's like with developements in technology, some things just work more efficiently after a couple of years because of new breakthroughs in technology, and in the same way, some mechanics become obsolete or simply annoying to deal with.

The problem is that recently we seem to have gone backwards, so the games that were most developed are still probably from early 2000's at best and in some cases, even older than that DOOM and Quake are still the pinacle of FPS mechanics and all the newer games did is just improve the atmosphere and play around with their concepts a bit before reverting to beingg less than DOOM was

>>14899423

I don't disagree completely but there's still a weird clean-cut between the two somehow. I'd rather play even the worst BF than any COD at this point too since COD multiplayer has a fucked up formula around kinda just running in circles shooting till you drop.

>>14899465

I think even in examples I've seen in the past, where people rail on things like tank controls in survival horror games, or even in platform games, they fail to see the reason why they were designed like that. They may chalk it up to the idea that people just didn't know better but I think the limitation is in the player, the developers, for the most part, knew what they were doing, knew what they had, and very often explored it sufficiently. There may be quality of life things like dark souls adding in using multiples of items, and may some day fix weapons colliding with walls while most enemies' do not, but that improvement over a mechanic does not invalidate the rest of it.

I want to focus in on leaning, where in Thief it feels remarkably organic. This was in a 1998 game where tactical shooters were still figuring things out, sim style games were still working on things, but Thief got the leaning perfectly. It always built into a maximum lean distance, could be stopped short by walls or objects, but has this quality to it, that games made 5, 10, 15 years later still get wrong. I was playing a Rainbow Six 3 game a few weeks ago and was reminded that leaning feels incredibly digital, like you aren't even leaning, just tilting your head. The one I played came out in 2005. Thief came out in 1998. 7 years later they still didn't get it right. It may have done it that was for some reasons, but even things like tank controls exist in those games for a reason, and much of the time the developers explored the possibilities with the mechanics they had very appropriately. Look at the charge in Spyro, you have move forward, turn backwards, turn left and turn right on the d-pad. there's no strafing. You can roll left/right with R1/L1, but when you charge? The tank controls click in perfectly. It's got this slow turn with the left/right buttons on the d-pad that work excellently with the physics.

I think aging is a bullshit way to put it, games do not change, they can't age. It's the players that are the problem.

>>14899523

>I think even in examples I've seen in the past, where people rail on things like tank controls in survival horror games, or even in platform games, they fail to see the reason why they were designed like that.

I'm not talking about that though, compare Baldur's Gate to something like Arcanum or Planetscape Torment which came out later. Although the mechanics are similar enough, Baldur's Gate just feels older as everything is far slower and less developed, the characters you take into your party do not comment on the events happening around them when they do in other games, you cannot talk to them as you can in Torment, the Quests at the very beginning are far less interesting and in general the game feels less developed than the ones that came after it. But you cannot blame it for it as it was definitely an older game, which doesn't change the fact that it aged a bit. It feels almost like a prototype for those other games which isn't bad, it just makes it harder to get into Baldur's Gate than into for example Arcanum. And although most old games are still fun to play, there is no denying that many of them have indeed aged, even something like Super Mario Bros, while still being a blast just feels aged when you play something like World.

>super mario

>only wears a cape in one of them

>>14899430

You have autism.

>>14899940

To be fair the original name is bumpy trot. Blame localizers.

>>14899246

Embarrassing post.

>>14899194

HL2 was about physics. HL1 was mostly about muh graphics.

>>14900303

>HL2

>Game based on real life physics

>It's fucking boring

Checks out

>has bad physics

You don't know if teleporters work that way.

>>14899208

How so?

>>14899207

>Half-Life 1

>physics engine

Are you retarded?

>>14899241

>first encounter assault recon

>you're not first to encounter anything

>all you do is assault enemy positions

>you never do any reconnassaince

>>14899260

I think that's his point.

>>14899207

>they pushed it at the time as being a game with a physics engine.

Who?

>>14902414

What the fuck is that webm

>>14902468

art

Oh we doing a then vs. now thread?

Why don't we do a "shit back then" vs. "shit right now" thread?

https://8ch.net/v/res/14878028.html

C'mon I bet you'll love the rants. They're almost on point with everything that can go wrong in video game design.

There are some overly popular series which I despise to this day in how bad they are, despite selling a shit ton.

Like the original Tomb Raider games which made me puke. Empty sandbox level design, terrible gunplay, limited ammo, those fucking gorrilas, man.

Or Sonic 1 genesis when I didn't even have the spindash attack. I would have killed for invincibility frames and knowing ahead of time what's going to knock over my 100-300 rings I had just collected from the chaos emerald race.

Oh or those enemies I couldn't bump into till they attacked first(the mantids).

Or Sonic's disgusting lack of dexterity worse than a vehicle. Im both 2D and 3D games. And his lack of acceleration and lack of arsenal.

Might as well literally give me a Pinball and call it Pinball Adventures. Goddamn PacMan was easier to change directions than Sonic.

I see why Freedom Planet is such a fresh breath of air and why people enjoy Rayman over Sonic and literally any other mascot character like Sparkster.

>>14899241

I went into it expecting a horror game and instead I got Room Office Crysis with bullet-time feature. I was not a fan of the level design. Or the fact the horror took a massive backseat to the Muh Office Shooting video game with 4-8 beefy decent AI soldiers.

The bullet time feature worked best in Max Payne because of how fast the enemies reactions were and how squishy you were. That and its much harder to shoot from a third person perspective.

man, now i want some deathmatch on crossfire with you fags

>star fox

>you do not play as a fox-shaped star or a star-shaped fox

>>14902664

>Like the original Tomb Raider games which made me puke. Empty sandbox level design, terrible gunplay, limited ammo, those fucking gorrilas, man.

You're either underage or a redditor. Either way you don't belong here.

>>14902664

>limited ammo

But the guns had infinite ammo.

>Dark Souls

>Not even one "Dark Soul" to be found

>Dark Souls

>souls are white

>Super Mario Brothers

>Mario is only one of the brothers

>>14904090

>Mario is only one of the brothers

>>14899207

Ayy LMAO

>>14904088

This is why Dark Souls 2 is superior.

>le epic cringe contrarian opinion thread

since you didn't put any effort in… Half-Life is an objectively good game. Just because it doesn't fit the role of a shooting gallery, like doom and the such doesn't mean it's wrong design, just different. This is the kind of game that requires the playing to THINK about his actions, physics provided are purely out of necessity rather than eye candy. You're not thinking about how it affects gameplay and judging purely by looking at face value.

I really like how HL1 is science themed. That's one way in which I feel HL2 dropped the ball.

>>14902694

watch out with that opinion of yours, you might upset the fear circlejerk fan club

>>14899207

>they pushed it at the time as being a game with a physics engine.

That's Half-Life 2, you fucking retard. The Goldsrc engine was never known for its physics, ever.

>>14899231

Red faction, motherfucker.

>>14900303

no no man, hes saying that the game series half life is a story about physics, freeman is a theoretical physicist, but the physics in half life is bad.

>>14906902

>resident evil

that name was picked from a competition as capcom couldn't use biohazard in the US due to another game already having that name.

>>14907226

What the hell game is biohazard then?

>>14907241

It's the Japanese name for Resident Evil.

>>14907251

No you nigger,what game in the us had that name.

>>14907254

The Japanese version of Resident Evil is called Biohazard no matter what country you take it to.

>>14907262

Do you want smacked,the guy just said another game already had the name biohazard in the states,so what was that game,that prevented them from using said name,in the states?

>>14907274

The Japanese version of Resident Evil.

>>14907288

You never answered the question you shitbird.

>>14901398

You talk as if this wasn't to be expected.

>Joseph "B.J." (((Blazkowicz)))

>a kike character that jews can easily self insert into

>a jewish power fantasy to kill ebil nazis and hitler with

>avenge muh 6 billion

BlowJob was already a jew to begin with. The entires series was pozzed from the getgo. Anyone who likes any wolfenstein games is a certified goyimcuck.

>>14900303

HL 1 was more about muh immersion and muh AI, which are both actually good.

>>14907332

Wasn't he polish?

>>14907332

There is a lot of difference between a straightforward shooter based on a bluepilled worldview where you kill Nazi caricatures because they are the 'bad guys' and deliberate left wing propaganda designed to push a blue pilled worldview.

>>14899241

Its an acronym it stands for "First Encounter Assault Recon" in the game you are acctually part of this unit who gets the "first encounter" you are armed with "assault style weapons" and you do recon which is a short version reconnaissance.

So all and all very accurate.

>Game called Sacrifice

>You actually Sacrifice things

Step it up, valve.

>>14906660

>pic related

And speaking of games that age like milk…

Sure is cuckchan in here.

>>14908010

>8chan

>4chan threads

>>14899376

>>14899348

>>14899423

The driving in Battlefield is dog shit. Worst imaginable. You'd think after 7 rehashes they'd fix that shit.

>>14899376

Call of Duty have 2 titles with driveable vehicles, the PC expansion of the original and 3.

>>14908284

The driving physics in the series is quite arcade-y indeed, and it is really evident when you have modern fighter jets flying as fast as WW1 planes with propellers. But it was never meant as a milsim.

>>14899376

>>14908337

World at War had drive-able tanks in the larger eastern front maps.

>>14908001

Killing corrupt Shogunate and his plans for the cultural enricemt of Japan is its own reward

>>14899194

This is either a clever joke or OP and half the thread are underage and need to be banned

>>14909723

>Defending a shitty (1) and done when someone tells him to fuck off

>>14910536

you heard em. back to reddit, fag

>>14904343

>Doom doesn't require thought

Underage detected

>>14906902

Resident evil 1, zero, and Veronica were all in mansions you nerd.