b5e679 No.14898666
It's been a while since we've had one, so here's a GNU/Linux gaming thread.
It's 2018, and ~4,000 out of ~15,000 games on Steam are on GNU/Linux, and that's not counting other games that have existed for a while. With WINE getting better, and DXVK making games like Nier Automata and Kingdom Come deliverance playable, it's a good time to be alive.
Feel free to talk about what you've been playing, and what you're looking forward to.
Other UNIX like operating systems are welcome too (and if any of you crazy bastards out there are using NetBSD, tell me what you can play on it!)
967b7c No.14898708
>Linux
>games
You mean running Windows games on wine?
b5e679 No.14898747
>>14898708
You're not the first, and you will not be the last to post such an unoriginal, low quality shitpost in a GNU/Linux thread. Your post means nothing, and you will be forgotten by the next thread. It's okay though, because while playing Windows games on WINE, I can avoid having every keystroke I make being sent to the NSA, and thousands of private companies. My OS does not degrade over time. I do not need an SSD to have just borderline usable performance. I can do whatever I want with it. I am free.
9632a0 No.14898763
>>14898708
I hate people who call running windows games in wine "linux gaming."
>>14898747
>I run proprietary software
>I am free
10c8a2 No.14898769
>>14898666
>It's 2018, and ~4,000 out of ~15,000 games on Steam are on GNU/Linux,
Worse than fucking MacOS.
b5e679 No.14898778
>>14898769
4,000+ commercial games is better than the Playstation 2, which has the largest library of any console in history. If we can agree that the PS2 was a good console for games, then GNU/Linux is not a bad platform either.
967b7c No.14898807
>>14898769
>>14898778
A decent portion of those probably only have Linux versions because it was a step towards console or android ports, and that's sad.
b5e679 No.14898832
>>14898807
This does not make it not a viable platform for gaming.I don't know how this happens every single time someone makes a thread like this. It's always a big wall of Windows users sperging out at GNU/Linux users for liking other things at the beginning, and eventually they all go away and people start posting seriously, but the wait is excruciating.
35d56f No.14898846
It's nice to see more and more games get Linux ports (pic related). thankfully with engines like Godot and software like Vulkan getting better and better, we'll see more good stuff getting made
I haven't played a lot of games recently , but "Momodora Reverie Under The Moonlight" recently got ported to Linux. I'm playing the GOG version and controller support works just fine.
>>14898708
>Acting smug while using WIndows 10
>inb4 "I'm using Windows 7, faggot, I just had to hack the fuck out of my OS so it doesn't spy me as much, doesn't make me update to Windows 10 automatically or disables support for my newer CPU! I still get to act smug here!"
b5e679 No.14898865
>>14898846
>>inb4 "I'm using Windows 7, faggot, I just had to hack the fuck out of my OS so it doesn't spy me as much, doesn't make me update to Windows 10 automatically or disables support for my newer CPU! I still get to act smug here!"
The sad thing is that soon Windows 7 won't even be a viable OS to use, and 1984 will be upon us.
I for one don't care what OS other people use, but when I mention I use GNU/Linux anywhere Windows users start acting like fucking vegans.
00d58f No.14898906
>hurdurloonix
I like how everyone initially sperged out over Windows 10 but then eventually accepted Nadella's cock deep within their manwomb.
While I use linux for work, the looming approach of 2020 has me worried for muh gaems.
b5e679 No.14898953
>>14898944
First, you give me a list of AAA games made in the past decade that aren't shit, because AAA games are some of the only games that aren't on GNU/Linux on a regular basis.
45f8a1 No.14898961
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
DXVK is some crazy shit, especially considering it runs better than native.
Also tfw 2hu rpg 2 is broken in Wine.
4a3034 No.14898967
>>14898778
What makes you think if you have a lot of games means they're automatically good?
35d56f No.14898971
>inb4 modern AAA gaming suddenly matters because it's not on Linux
e8fd4a No.14898974
>>14898944
That list includes all Android games, because Android is a Linux distro.
4a3034 No.14898985
>>14898953
>because AAA games are some of the only games that aren't on GNU/Linux on a regular basis.
Other way around. AAA are the only ones bother pressing the export button on Unity to Linux x11.
I can't run Halo or UT without having to run some insane wine configuration.
b5e679 No.14898986
>>14898967
Most games aren't good in general.
>>14898964
Install all font packages with winetricks. I don't know how the fuck it hasn't been shipped as a part of WINE at this point.
b5e679 No.14898993
>>14898987
Android is not GNU/Linux, so I don't care.
4a3034 No.14899004
>>14898986
>Most games aren't good in general.
Then when why does Linux come up we always have to talk about games? Why can't we talk about text editors?
4a3034 No.14899020
>>14899007
Then if most games are shit then why are we on /v/?
b5e679 No.14899036
>>14899004
>Then when why does Linux come up we always have to talk about games?
Because this is /v/ and not /tech/ (and given that /tech/ is the worst major board on the site, there's not much reason to go there.)
>Why can't we talk about text editors?
I like emacs. Fight me.
>>14899020
It is a mystery.
45f8a1 No.14899053
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Is it a meme that running games in wine doesn't count for shit? I'm really glad that wine is getting this good as of late, it means I don't have to reboot to play video games. Still waiting on Slackware 15 so my kernel and mesa will hopefully be up to date enough to try the DXVK shit.
>>14899036
Hail
10c8a2 No.14899063
>>14898778
How many of those 4,000 are indieshit or decade old ports? Also the PS2 library covers PSX as well.
b9a8ce No.14899065
>>14898865
>when I mention I use GNU/Linux anywhere Windows users start acting like fucking vegans.
Isn't a lot of that due to developers and users of Linux failing to understand what the words, much less grasp the concept of what, productivity and efficiency actually mean?
b5e679 No.14899097
>>14899065
>much less grasp the concept of what, productivity and efficiency actually mean?
45f8a1 No.14899100
>>14899065
>>14899066
>>14899075
>asshurt (1) and done contrarians
VIDEO GAMES
6ba6d3 No.14899102
>>14899100
>>14899097
>linux shills in damage control mode THIS hard
b5e679 No.14899107
>>14899100
>some faggot posts the same image I posted at the same time
I'm scared
10c8a2 No.14899108
>>14899097
>>14899100
Anyone can bullshit things like that, I've yet to see a verified source for it. Not that I don't believe Microsoft could be that incompetent but unsourced screenshots mean nothing.
5bf537 No.14899109
>>14899075
>modern cars with their 10 trillion tracking and monitoring systems
Yep that's a pretty good metaphor.
39b837 No.14899118
>>14899102
>Shilling for something that's free
If you're going to be a Microcuck for a living, at least make sure you have a basic grasp of imageboard lingo. Give me some ID so I can report your poor performance to your higher ups.
b5e679 No.14899119
>>14899108
It doesn't take a genius to know that Windows is literally the worst operating system ever devised. I'd use Apple's shit before I touched Wangblows with a 10 foot pole.
10c8a2 No.14899123
>>14899119
Be that as it may the images are still unsourced.
dc1a9f No.14899127
>>14899075
That pic is missing TempleOS.
b5e679 No.14899177
c13597 No.14899218
>if you use linux you can't play games
>they still don't know about pci passthrough
>they still think you can only own one computer
0e9569 No.14899235
>>14898846
whoever willingly uses w10 deserves what they get
protip: you can't opt out of telemetry no matter how many ars technica articles tell you that you can
45f8a1 No.14899237
>>14899218
I wish finding out what hardware is compatible with it wasn't so iffy. I remember checking the list on wikipedia and a lot of the boards were unobtainium. Is there a good list out there?
b5e679 No.14899247
>>14899237
I had it set up at one point with an ASRock Extreme 3, I think it was. Honestly, I don't even bother at this point because literally nothing I actually want to play won't work in WINE or isn't native.
c18c31 No.14899261
>>14898666
Grow up and use a real operating system.
0e9569 No.14899265
>>14899123
>>14899108
i choose to take it at face value because i've seen first hand what 10-20 years of worse-than-useless """engineers""" can do to a codebase. turning a system that was shit out in a month into a enterprise-level all-you-can-eat buffet of features will devolve into a nasty mess of hacks very quickly, then dumped to production because eh, fuck it, it worked in my development environment.
45f8a1 No.14899283
>>14899265
Isn't internet explorer ingrained in the kernel or some shit?
b5e679 No.14899300
>>14899283
Yes. People talk about Windows """security""" when in reality, security wasn't even an afterthought, it just wasn't a thought.
b5e679 No.14899329
>>14899261
I didn't know that part of my social contract as an adult was to let the government spy on everything I do. Stand up for yourself and your fucking country you goddamned worthless faggot. What are you, some worthless European cunt that doesn't even deserve the air he breathes?
35d56f No.14899335
>>14898846
Contributing with the GOG installer for "Momodora Reverie Under the Moonlight"
https://mega.nz/#!XcQHQZzL!0BUf1PpMYdkeLkeaMsq31jEPpV_-seir8RbJhlQktG0
>>14899102
>Going to a Linux Gaming thread to do some damage control for Microsoft
>Projecting like a madman while accusing people of shilling a fucking free product
Mahesh, my dear pajeet, please step up your game.
>>14899261
>Roleplaying as a "productive adult™" who does some "serious work™" with his OS
Sad.
159d7d No.14899359
I heard Radeon GPUs work on ReactOS now, how's that going?
45f8a1 No.14899387
>>14899335
Fucking rad, that game's great. My upload's slow but I'll see if I can get something out.
3a9511 No.14899444
>>14899329
That image sabotages any point you were trying to make
b5e679 No.14899470
>>14899444
Not an argument.
159d7d No.14899473
6ba6d3 No.14899499
>>14899118
>>14899335
>it's impossible for people to shill for something that is free
Underage b& detected. Clearly you haven't lurked long enough on /v/ to understand that any promotion of any video game is shilling.
27d1b8 No.14899500
>>14898666
Been having a hateboner for KDE/Plasma for the last few months now because shits broke man and I really would like wo avoid reinstalling though at this point I feel my tries at getting it fixed have done even more damage plus I am fairly certain I could make a more clean and optimized setup now.
Anyone here gaming with a tiling wm? If so how have you set it up for minimal conflict
Anyhow: How do you guys manage your games? Do you just put them in when native and maybe use steam where applicable? Do you use some of the 3rd party managers out there? What about wine bottles, do you just throw everything into one or do you seperate them and if so how do you switch through them?
I have a couple of them and I just export the env variables as I need but that won't really do if there are more than 10 versions
Bonus round:Anyone using wayland? Even if you use the X compatibility for games
b5e679 No.14899560
>>14899500
>How do you guys manage your games?
I really like Lutris. It's very configurable, and makes my life wasier. FOr a few games like QuakeWorld and some other arena FPS games I play often, I have scripts in /usr/bin that I can just run any time with the flick of a few keys.
>Anyone using wayland? Even if you use the X compatibility for games
Wayland is a meme, but I wish you bastards all the luck in the world at getting your shit working. I hear it's rough over there.
>>14899499
Quit trying to gaslight everyone here into believing your stupid ass bullshit. You can't shill something that's free.
f6c012 No.14899646
Has anybody played MKXL on Linux at all? I've got it up, works pretty nicely with DXVK but the game refuses to go online. Gives me an error that supposedly is something server side but to me it seems like something shitting out because of how shit the port is. Also has anybody tried the steam edition of Killer Instinct? Most I've seen documented on it is someone managing to get as far as getting a stage to load before it crashes in a video back when it came out last fall. I've had no luck even getting it to boot in the more recent wine releases. Everything else has been just werking. Hoping to try Fire Pro Wrestling World soon.
a12d41 No.14899742
>>14898666
>what you've been playing
Factorio.
>what you're looking forward to
Nothing, there aren't even any upcoming Windows or console games which interest me.
35d56f No.14899750
>>14899560
>"I really like Lutris…"
Me too, it's pretty good for a community driven project. I hope they get GOG/HumbleBundle integration working like they promised, it would be pretty comfortable.
a89bfd No.14899824
>>14898763
>play native linux game
>libaries are all out of date and bloated as fuck
>there are serveral versions of the same library for every single game installed
>games have strange and seemingly nonstandard ways of connecting to gamepads
>pulseaudio required
>can't run unless it's on debian
>takes forever to load because opengl
>it's running an old version of opengl
>doesn't recongnize videocard properly because nvidia has shit binary blobs
>there is no such thing as raw input because X developers are retarded
Real good gaming there.
These are all problems that i've had when playing games on loonix.
Native games are a meme and half this shit isn't a problem when using wine.
Can linuxfags just admit that this isn't made for games? Seriously, it's mostly a production based operating system, it's very idea of being Free and open source throws all conventions of using it as a gaming platform out the window.
Linux is an operating system, IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR GAMES.
Games for linux came out because fags were bored and almost all games that support linux nativly are amature games bult on outdated libraries because they programmed it on fucking linux mint.
The only GOOD thing that linux has going for it in gaming is the emulators.
b5e679 No.14899841
>>14899824
I run Slackware and I've literally never had a problem with a single game in my Steam library.
a89bfd No.14899848
>>14899841
Great, have a sticker!
b5e679 No.14899863
>>14899824
Oh, and also, if you have an nvidia card and you use GNU/Linux,you deserve everything that is coming to you. I don't say this to be a cunt, because I also have an nvidia card. Feels bad man. The only other thing that's actually a problem as you said, is pulseaudio, which is a piece of shit I've learned to live with (but is circumvent-able with shit like apulse.)
>>14899848
You sound like an assmad Arch Linux user, so I'm going to double down on you and laugh.
d47406 No.14899893
Look at all these gems. Apparently the one in scribbles is "About me being kidnapped by elementary schoolgirls," Chinese-only.
a89bfd No.14899903
>>14899863
>If you have an nvidia card you deserve it
Fair enough, nvidia are kikes but when you're like me and have bult your pc on pretty much a 0 dollar budget based on old used parts from relatives and went with linux because it was cheap and much cooler tbh theres no much choice in it.
>pulseaudio
You don't even need pulseaudio, it's absolutely useless aside from a verry minor addition of bluetooth and per application audio, which doesn't make sense because most applications have an audio option already.
It's kinda fucking redundant and only lowers the quality of audio
>assmad arch user
Distros are a myth the only thing a distro has is minor differations on package management and differing communities.
Also, fuck you! My epeen is bigger
fbc37a No.14899932
>>14899893
>About me being kidnapped by elementary schoolgirls
Sounds like GOTY material.
b5e679 No.14899950
>>14899903
>Distros are a myth the only thing a distro has is minor differations on package management
Agreed
>and differing communities.
Which is one of the prime reasons that Arch Linux is the worst distro ever made. Most people who run it are subhumans. I have strong qualms with pretty much nothing else as far as distros go.
27d1b8 No.14899988
>>14899824
>>14899848
<doesn't work on my machine people should just stop it
Linux threads don't exist because it's that obvious that games will work on it but because it likely will take a lot of work and nerve depending on your setup.
If somethings too much for you either by knowledge or nerve and/or time just get rid of it or change distros and if your seriously think what you wrote in >>14899903 then kindly tell me why you yourself said that some things only work on debian.
a9f90d No.14900029
>>14899335
Gotta ask, where do you /scurv/ loonix games? I've been trying to get some but Mega rarely works for me.
a89bfd No.14900038
>>14899950
Arch wasn't bad until the systemdick suckers and skiddies started moving in.
I will agree, everything about the distro and it's community now is complete bullshit.
But i still stand by the idea that Gnu/Linux is pretty shit in terms video games.
If not for the outdated libraries then for the lack games in most repositories.
>>14899988
I know this, i think we all know this.
The reason i like this distro is because it's not easy to get shit running, i like exploring the system and fiddling with it to get things working the way i want them.
>debian
pic related
I don't hate debian i just dislike apt and systemd
1a9241 No.14900042
>>14898961
>better than native
Wait, really? Is that consistent across all games or just KC:D? I mean that's good enough for me, but I'm curious. I'd kill for native-level performance on Linux or an FPS boost - I'd never expect both.
45f8a1 No.14900068
>>14900042
Dunno how much compatibility there is in general, but I think DX10 and DX11 are now pretty well supported. There's some hard lockups here and there that are still getting worked on. I haven't gotten to try it myself, you'd better read about it.
a89bfd No.14900086
>>14900068
Still waiting for them to fix dx9 and dx8.
Is there any chance they'll port those over to valken?
45f8a1 No.14900100
>>14900086
https://github.com/disks86/VK9
looks like at least one person's working on a thing, so maybe
ff5fe2 No.14900102
>>14900086
There is already progress on doing so for dx9, though not as mature as dxvk, and I believe there is a mechanism for doing dx8 over dx9, so both are possible, but not very mature yet.
27d1b8 No.14900179
>>14900038
>The reason i like this distro is because it's not easy to get shit running
Sounds like the same thing I do then, I got about 3 distros on this machine with 1 being the relatively stable one I mentioned earlier where I have no problems and of the other ones none can run games right now but this isn't because Linux couldn't, they are simply not set up for it.
It's the learning experience on the way.
>systemd
I feel your pain, how people can prefer it over runit or OpenRC is beyond me
35d56f No.14900185
>>14900029
>https://gitgud.io/Blank/VST/raw/master/PC
Here's the ShareThread PC links repo, that includes Loonix Games
>https://linuxtor.org/
Loonix games torrents
>rutracker.org
The good old russian public torrent tracker. It has lots of Linux games and Lossless music if you're into it, though you'll have to (((Google))) Translate the page and make a free account to use it. This thread http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5248621 has a lot of GOG installers for Linux.
695628 No.14900190
what site is best for linux game torrents guys? I've got a handful of games in my repository, and I use torrentz2 for everthing else…. but its pretty hard in general finding linux game torrents even when I know a lot of these games do have linux versions. I'm a relatively new fulltime linux user and while I've got plenty of games to emulate I wanna play more games on this without turning into some sort of buyfag.
695628 No.14900198
>>14900185
ah well guessing this is it post hapeened while I was typing mine up cheers then.
ce4357 No.14900274
>>14900185
Does gog release games as appimages?
They really should.
d59bf9 No.14900369
>>14899824
They problem is games aren't made for Linux, developers make shitty ports
0e9569 No.14900385
>>14900369
if they port them at all. most games are stuffed into a copy of wine, tested once, and shipped.
186dd0 No.14900415
>>14900042
the general rule is that all cpu heavy games get a noticeable boost in linux because is better at allocating cache, however graphics drivers while serviceable, are not the best and the way linux handles filenames make it slower in some areas
a44eb5 No.14900429
Autism level 100 to create a simple fucking shortcut for application without installer:
>Write command in terminal "sudo ln -s /home/USERNAME/THEGAME /opt/THEGAME"
>/opt/THEGAME/start.sh (or other executable) is now command line
>Get to MATE Compiz config panel, into control center and "main menu" configuration
>"New item" -> "Create launcher" - > "Command /opt/THEGAME/start.sh"
>For wine applications skip first two steps and write: wine "path from fake C:\\ dirrectory to exe", obviously application needs to be placed on wine's fake drive like ~.wine/drive_c.
Took my entire experience with linux which lasted few years already to figure this one out. Not always tar.gz exist with installer, and not always shitty games from torrents have commands to set up shortcuts, and nothing is compared to gog which has windows-like installer for human beings. Most people i've seen just got used to lurking around folders.
15e27c No.14901587
Saw a thread on /b/ shilling all the wonders of slackware claiming it's the most stable distro. Is it easy for a mint pleb like me?
d388ee No.14902021
>>14900429
I gave up on /opt, and just starting dumping everything in my /home/anon/Games folder. Since I'm the only user, I don't have to make worry.
d388ee No.14902034
>>14900429
Those launchers are just .desktop files inside ~/.local/share/applications. You can make new ones without the wizard with more flexibility.
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Value=1.0
Type=Application
Name=Darkest Dungeon
GenericName=Darkest Dungeon
Comment=Darkest Dungeon
Icon=/home/anon/Games/Darkest Dungeon/support/icon.png
Exec="/home/anon/Games/Darkest Dungeon/start.sh" ""
Categories=Game;
Path=/home/anon/Games/Darkest Dungeon
I have a template for wine somewhere…
[Desktop Entry]
Name=X-COM UFO Defense
Exec=env WINEPREFIX="/home/anon/.winebottle/xcom" wine C:\\\\windows\\\\command\\\\start.exe /Unix /home/anon/.winebottle/xcom/dosdevices/c:/users/Public/Start\\ Menu/Programs/GOG.com/X-COM\\ UFO\\ Defense/X-COM\\ UFO\\ Defense.lnk
Type=Application
StartupNotify=true
Path=/home/anon/.winebottle/xcom/dosdevices/c:/GOG Games/X-COM UFO Defense/DOSBOX
Icon=72F3_goggame-1445250340.0
472f2a No.14902182
>>14900086
> valken?
*Vulkan
too much mech gaming, huh?
32f42a No.14902189
>>14902182
Mech gaming? It's not even comparable to a mech sim, it's just a clunky platforming game with cutscenes.
44b156 No.14902194
>>14899261
Listen to this guy fellas, install FreeBSD.
32f42a No.14902195
>>14899863
Ati is not any better on linux, it only recently got better by people making open-source drivers, back 7 years ago you were lucky to not get a black screen after installing a linux distro with an ati gpu. If anything Nvidia has better performance on linux even if it's proprietary, which is really fucking sad.
472f2a No.14902231
>>14902189
> It's not even comparable to a mech sim, it's just a clunky platforming game with cutscenes.
It doen't need to be a "simulator" to be a mech game, you just have to play as a mech.
a89bfd No.14902243
>>14902194
>posts the prophet of god telling you to stop using the homosexual os
>install the devil's operating system instead!
Install templeos.
c1f846 No.14902245
I run Win10 Enterprise LTSB 2016 w/Ancile, and laugh when people cry about
<muh botnet
<muh spyware
a89bfd No.14902249
>>14902245
>I suck dick and like it
Good for you, sweetie.
44b156 No.14902252
>>14902243
No anon, Install BSD so you can run TempleOS on a virtual machine, that way your filthy hardware won't stain the house of god.
>>14902245
I'm sure your personal NSA operator is laughing with you.
400572 No.14902253
I've been playing OpenMW on Linux and it's basically flawless. Works better than the original engine even, haven't seen one CTD yet and the load times are so fast it's unreal. I also binge and burn on Factorio every few weeks.
a89bfd No.14902267
>>14902252
You get goto heaven by going to hell, anon.
f31618 No.14902274
>>14902245
>pajeet is still at it
h e h
c1f846 No.14902315
>>14902249
>sweetie
Kill yourself ASAP, tranny, don't wait until you're the average ~40yo before you do it.
>>14902252
>NSA
If Enterprise is backdoored so is all UNIX. If all UNIX is backdoored so is all Linux. Everything is backdoored we're all doomed the sky is falling!
>>14902274
>Mohinder maymay
There's nothing I can do to stop the ISP from flashing my Motorola cable modem. I'm not personally going to audit every line of code in pfSense. I'm not going to dump and check all my switch's firmwares. With that said, using pcap and wireshark to inspect my network traffic reveals no p2p updates, no telemetry, no antivirus submissions.
I'm on a Windows domain, I have no Windows Store, and the only updates LTSB receives are kernel updates and security KB rollouts which it gets directly from my DC with WSUS. Everything works, I get to program C++/C# in Visual Studio w/Xamarin, and to keep this on topic all my games work.
6dff0c No.14902431
ReactOS good yet?
I want a not gaylord OS with the balls to tell microsoft to choke on their own monopoly
a89bfd No.14902434
>>14902315
Sorry, hun, didn't know you were so sensitive to a single word.
86d5cf No.14902467
>>14900038
Use Artix faggot.
a89bfd No.14902561
>>14902467
I'll try it once they fix the mirrorlists.
86d5cf No.14902576
>>14902561
It is fixed though.
a89bfd No.14902591
>>14902576
>previous install is still broken
>pgp errors out the ass
>keyring changes every fucking week
>if you upgrade the system before they seperated the runit and openrc mirrors your system is pretty much fucked
I'm not falling for this shit meme again, they'll find some new way to fuck it all up in a few days.
a89bfd No.14902601
>>14902597
Ain't clicking that shit nigga
1ecfe6 No.14902631
>>14898708
>You mean running Windows games on wine?
Not everything comes in a tarball for me to use. Especially since I do a decent amount of visual novels and Japan is still developing stuff on Windows 2000. That being said I switched to Linux a year ago and I haven't really lost the ability to play the games I had in my library either because of Wine or because developers are getting better at creating linux ports of systems. Most likely because game engines are having this as a default option built in.
bb520e No.14902641
>>14898906
I use WIn 7 as my secondary OS. There just was nogaems for linux. Linux is an undeniably better OS however.
55c040 No.14902652
>>14902591
How come I never had any of those issues?
35d56f No.14902825
>>14898708
>tfw WINE runs old Windows games better than fucking Windows 10
b1533c No.14902850
>>14900038
>But i still stand by the idea that Gnu/Linux is pretty shit in terms video games.
>If not for the outdated libraries then for the lack games in most repositories.
That's because Linux has mostly been used by technical people, sysadmins, network guys, EEs, CEs and the like, artistic and entertainment stuff hasn't been the main focus of the OS.
44b156 No.14902939
>>14902825
In a few years there won't be any reason to run wangblows games because the current windows version won't be compatible with any worthwhile ones.
It's already happening to an extent, there are 2007~ games with compatibility troubles on windows 10. When windows starts having trouble with 2011+ "games", assuming wine can run them fine by then there won't be a single reason to stick to windows.
>>14902591
Sounds like the average arch experience to me.
>>14900038
Having used pacman, portage, yum and apt my favorite package manager is apt. It's the simplest and it actually works while doing everything you need whereas I've had pacman and portage fail on me multiple times, and they're more complex for no real reason.
Try Devuan. You get Debian's stability, without being pegged by systemd. They're 1 release behind Debian so you'll be rolling 4+ year old packages, though.
85d21c No.14903058
>>14902850
It also doesn't help that barriers to making easy money are baked into the philosophy, and what the users expect.
>choose your OS
>little to no conformity, ubuntu and mint are the expectations for gog, that's it
>get away from ms spyware, means you might not even use steam out of principle
>OS is built by autists for pennies, means they don't have sony or ms bribe money to keep port it to their environment, or keep it exclusive
>anytype of software locks or hardware locks are shunned, so DRM isn't a priority
>>14902825
That shit shouldn't happen. But it does.
9a6f61 No.14903120
>>14902249
>sweetie
cuckchan poster detected
b5e679 No.14903233
>>14901587
>Is it easy for a mint pleb like me?
Yes. If you can grasp a few curve balls it's honestly the best first, and last distro.
>>14902223
Underrated post
>>14902315
>If Enterprise is backdoored so is all UNIX. If all UNIX is backdoored so is all Linux. Everything is backdoored we're all doomed the sky is falling!
There's a monumental difference between a backdoor and a botnet. A backdoor requires you to be explicitly targeted, and genereally spekaing you can do something about it by adding extra defenses to your system if you're paranoid. Windows 10 actively datamines you and sends every single keystroke you make to the federal government. I rarely call people cucks anymore because the word has been fucking ruined by morons using it incorrectly, but I find it applicable to call you one here because you're one of the most dense motherfuckers I've ever seen. It's liek you've been trained to take dick so much that you've become an addict. ala: 1 CUMMIE 2 CUMMIE 3 CUMMIE. I'M DADDY'S LITTLE PRINCESS BUT I'M ALSO A WHORE!
>>14902415
https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.1/games/steam/
>>14902467
Artix users are some of the only bearable Arch users. While I have no interest in a bleeding edge system, I'm happy the option is out there for fellas like yourself.
>>14902825
>>tfw WINE runs old Windows games better than fucking Windows 10
It's funny as shit, ain't it?
>>14902850
>That's because Linux has mostly been used by technical people, sysadmins, network guys, EEs, CEs and the like, artistic and entertainment stuff hasn't been the main focus of the OS.
There's a growing market though. I'm an atfag and Krita is the best thing that ever happened to me.
>>14902939
>Sounds like the average arch experience to me.
This is one of the major reasons I only use stable distros.
>>14903058
>choose your OS
Distros are a myth to a pragmatic extent, and only matter for things like underlying package philosophy for the most part
>little to no conformity, ubuntu and mint are the expectations for gog, that's it
See above. Anything that will run on Ubunt can be made to work on Gentoo or whatever. It's all about packages, and ever program will have a list of dependencies.
>get away from ms spyware, means you might not even use steam out of principle
A program like Steam can be contained. A kernel level botnet is, well, kernel level. I encourage piracy anyway.
>OS is built by autists for pennies, means they don't have sony or ms bribe money to keep port it to their environment, or keep it exclusive
The Linux Foundation gets a shitload o fmoney in donations to keep the system being developed. In fact, in regards to games being ported, I see lots of games on OSX. If your game has already been ported to OSX, you practically only need to change the makefile a bit and hit compile to port it to GNU/Linux. It's not particularly difficult, and for this reason I don't like to support companies that port their games to OSX and not to GNU/Linux.
>anytype of software locks or hardware locks are shunned, so DRM isn't a priority
DRM is shit but again, piracy is still a thing. It's all up to user choice if they want to put up with that shit or not.
>>14903120
>(1) and done
At least hold out for longer than that. I don't know how you ever expect to get married if your dick gives out this quickly.
2cac63 No.14904841
>>14904822
It used to be shit but the latest /g/ invasion made it fucking horrible.
472f2a No.14904870
>>14904822
>>14904841
explain to someone that doesn't go to /tech/ what's bad about it, in detail
0e9569 No.14904872
>>14904822
i just had a grand ole time railing on today's wwdc on /tech/
2cac63 No.14904910
>>14904870
In order of their appearance: Rustfags, /leftypol/ shitters, banned /g/ tripfags, and now /g/ itself with all its cancer.
92186a No.14905126
745146 No.14905187
>>14899470
I'm not trying to argue with you because I agree with your point. I'm saying your retarded image made me wish I didn't.
b5e679 No.14905608
3366b5 No.14905628
>>14904979
>There's been an overwhelming influx of refugee's from 4chan's /g/ since they all got spooked that hiroshimoot was selling their data
Those stupid fuckers, Google captcha has been up for 7 god damn years now on the site since Accelerator-spammer, jewt already sold them out several times by now.
d77b05 No.14905839
>>14899053
Automata.
Doo dooo de doo-doo.
c1f846 No.14905868
>>14903233
>Windows 10 actively datamines you and sends every single keystroke you make to the federal government.
I've heard that claim thrown around like a loose whore. I wasn't able to substantiate that after installing and testing Enterprise LTSB 2016 w/Ancile.
None of my tools detect a botnet. I'm sure my corporation would sue Microsoft, and win if I ever did and could conclusively prove Microsoft put it there. Maybe there's a reason every one I know runs LTSB, and not that free shit with OEM PCs.
2ba68c No.14906669
>Find game that looks fun
>Old as shit
>Doesn't run on wine
>So obscure that it probably never will
I need to sit down and get GPU passthrough to work one of these days.
15e27c No.14907194
>>14903233
>Yes. If you can grasp a few curve balls it's honestly the best first, and last distro.
I haven't seen much discussion on it that I remember but it's time I move onto something else. I'm iffy about the installation procedure but I'll give it a whirl.
b5e679 No.14907268
>>14907194
> I'm iffy about the installation procedure but I'll give it a whirl.
It's just a basic ncurses installer. It's pretty straightforward, just make sure to use cfdisk to partition your disk, because it's on the installer and you don't have to use fucking fdisk.
15e27c No.14907593
>>14907268
Don't know how to use cfdisk, first time I've heard of it but it doesn't sound too hard. I suppose even the most advanced loonix wizards started out as a beginner.
b1533c No.14907650
>>14903233
>Yes. If you can grasp a few curve balls it's honestly the best first, and last distro.
But Mint has shitstemdicks
c83c06 No.14907651
>>14899127
>TempleOS
>some bizarre futuristic meme trancycle
b1533c No.14907652
>>14907650
I should let the coffee take effect and understand what I am replying to before doing so.
b1b5be No.14907709
>>14899063
>Sony fag defending console against free os.
Wow. I never thought that I'll be witness suck commitment on sucking corporate cock.
c83c06 No.14907725
How much of a botnet is the wangblows (((Steam))) client running on a empty wineprefix?
44b156 No.14907735
>>14907725
WINE isn't a botnet but steam is, so it's botnet as far as steam is concerned.
c83c06 No.14907761
>>14907735
Can it see anything beyond the prefix?
674f8e No.14907796
>>14907761
In terms of files, no. It can see your system information though.
0cd06d No.14907800
>>14907761
Not unless it's programmed to.
44b156 No.14907874
>>14907761
If you run winecfg you can block it out of block devices but by default I think it has access to your root partition, and WINE symlinks its documents/pictures/videos/downloads folders to your real ones.
a89bfd No.14907925
>>14901985
Sandboxing is a meme, all you're doing is adding layers to an already imperfect system.
6a646b No.14907982
>>14907761
Yes it can, in the default configuration WINE exposes the whole system to the application which can be dangerous.
I found this thread on a Forum pretty helpful for giving a small overview
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/protecting-the-os-with-wine.396644/
In short: You want firejail or something like it if you actually want to protect your system from whatever might happen to inside that prefix
>>14907925
This is so retarded I am not even gonna bother
a89bfd No.14908008
>>14907982
Install templeos
796512 No.14908023
>>14908008
What happens if you run Malbolge code on TempleOS?
73fd9d No.14908055
>>14907982
Firejail kills WINE, sadly. Or at least it does with seccomp but why would you want to run Firejail without seccomp.
6a646b No.14908074
>>14908008
Run minix like a man, not some schizos stuff
>>14908055
It does? So far firejail has worked out for me even though the whitelisting can take some tedious time - either way I would rather decrease the possible amount of bs that can happen.
a89bfd No.14908086
>>14908074
>minix
>running a literal kikeOS
73fd9d No.14908108
>>14908074
It did for me with the default profile. Googling around the developer seemed to admit on GitHub that WINE would not work in many cases with seccomp due to the way WINE loads libraries, which is weird considering they still activate full seccomp as the default.
Anyway, if you are going to run without seccomp, I would personally "sandbox" WINE by running it as another unlrivileged user. That's what I did when trying to install FF XIV before realizing the amount of work to make it have a decent performance on Debian was insane (includes manually compiling your own video drivers from source, despite eveything that implies). If I had to set it up again I would probably just run Lutris as another user and be done with it.
695628 No.14908114
>>14904870
People on tech typically dont even know what their talking about. Like the low level of tech knowledge displayed is laughably bad there. And its unironic, you'd have to know your shit to see why its so laughably bad in that way though.
a89bfd No.14908139
a89bfd No.14908156
>>14904979
Libbiefags are another, loads of those furryfaggots came pouring into /tech/ during the libreoffice mascot contest, because it was banned on halfchan.
If you look back at the archives of /tech/ and /g/ you can see a clearly obvious amount of crossposters.
6a646b No.14908233
>>14908086
>picking a memeOS over a working one that is used in production
>>14908108
Huh, didn't pop up for me, anyway I would just aggree that you can and should harden your wine usage to some degree, hell even just removing the Z drive could be what keeps some bottom barrel shit from trashing your system.
a89bfd No.14908605
>>14908233
>minix is good because it's a production os
WTF I LOVE INTELME NOW!
f2ef53 No.14908791
>>14898865
what do you need an up to date CPU for? it's not as if the CPU market hasn't stagnated. If you were doing any serious work on that CPU you would be using a server machine with linux anyway instead of consumer grade hardware. 20% performance increase isn't really worth upgrading over, it's not as if you have to wait a week for something to compile these days…
a289ce No.14908833
>>14898865
I use windows 7 for the computer with all my games on it, but my others are all linux. I'm not well read on the subject, but why hasn't/can't someone spoof directX to make a vastly larger library of games for linux?
73fd9d No.14908837
>>14908640
Well, a seccomp-less firejail is about as good as running WINE as an unprivileged user without Z: drive and all media folders unmapped. Not sure if you can get out of the C: drive via some parent directory black magic, but if you can't, it would be a hassle free "sandbox" (not quite, but then again, threat model). I would argue not using Linux namespaces is an advantage since they are likely still buggy and unsecure as shit, but then again, threat models, and if you find a malware capable of exploiting 0days in Linux namespaces via Firejail via WINE, you probably have bigger stuff to worry about.
2cac63 No.14908841
>>14908833
That's basically Wine.
a289ce No.14908881
>>14908841
Right, it's just that wine doesn't do a large number of games I want to play…
Oh well.
73fd9d No.14908883
>>14908833
Yes. Fuck, more specifically
>Gallium Nine is a Mesa feature that enables near-native performance of DirectX 9. Sadly, it is AMD GPU-only, and the WINE kikes have decided they did not want to include in mainline WINE because they are probably Nvidia babies, so you need a specially patched WINE Staging for it
>DXVK is a DirectX 11 to Vulkan translation layer that for some reason works so well it beats native performance in some specific cases. You need to perform some WINE registry fuckery for this, but oh well. Should be supported natively by Lutris
193849 No.14908933
>Wincels continue to kvetch over there being less and less reasons to use their shitty pajeet OS by the day
Delicious.
b5e679 No.14909197
>>14908791
It has nothing to do with the CPU, it's about software.
815819 No.14915020
>>14899824
>libaries are all out of date and bloated as fuck
That's windows.
>there are serveral versions of the same library for every single game installed
That's windows.
>games have strange and seemingly nonstandard ways of connecting to gamepads
Untrue.
>pulseaudio required
Valid criticism, but not a single good game does that anyway. It's like saying you have to use windows 10 because some games require dx12 even though none of them are worthwhile.
>can't run unless it's on debian
Straight up lies.
>takes forever to load because opengl
What?
>it's running an old version of opengl
There's literally no graphics API in history that doesn't do this.
>doesn't recongnize videocard properly because nvidia has shit binary blobs
???
>there is no such thing as raw input because X developers are retarded
Another lie.
c47b25 No.14915239
Stupid question, but how do you stop sound stuttering in Wine?
For one i use Alsa, but have lags and glitches of audio like if it were pulseaudio. Specifically its true for music tracks in video games and when FPS lowers even a bit, sound just shits itself. The most important game in question is Honey Select, it works perfectly well, but i have to kill music and system sounds to not hear how button sound annoyingly lags after 2-3 seconds after i click on them, and music is making farting noises. Had similar problem with skyrim, but i deleted that shit long time ago.
And no, i don't have sound card to try out OSS. Could it be the problem i have headphones with built in sound card?
3cc259 No.14918377
>>14915239
I don't know if this is related to your problem, but i used to have audio stutters when running 32bit games on a 64bit prefix.
The solution was to create a 32bit prefix.
3cc259 No.14918460
>>14915020
>>14915020
>>libaries are all out of date and bloated as fuck
>That's windows.
>>there are serveral versions of the same library for every single game installed
>That's windows.
Yeah, windows is bloated? So?
>>games have strange and seemingly nonstandard ways of connecting to gamepads
>Untrue.
xpad and xboxdrv are the most popular ways of connecting gamepads to their /dev/ counterparts the problem is that they can overwrite eachother and sometimes games only support one of these methods, xpad in particular is shit due to the fact it has no deadzone detection and activly fucks up analog control.
>>pulseaudio required
>Valid criticism, but not a single good game does that anyway. It's like saying you have to use windows 10 because some games require dx12 even though none of them are worthwhile.
Try playing something that isn't emulators, this shit is all over the place.
>>can't run unless it's on debian
>Straight up lies.
Untrue, i've had situations where applications wouldn't run unless it had exactly the same setup as debian.
Now, it could run if that's your standing, but it's too much of a bother especially sense it shouldn't be the fucking users job to optimise the fuckin game for them.
>>takes forever to load because opengl
>What?
refers to the next line
>>it's running an old version of opengl
>There's literally no graphics API in history that doesn't do this.
With engines becoming ever more popular for developers, you'd think it would be easy to repackage it with newer fucking versions that aren't slow as shit
>>doesn't recongnize videocard properly because nvidia has shit binary blobs
>???
Nvidia doesn't have any opensource driver support.
You MUST have their propritary drivers if you are to do anything process heavy with their cards.
The graphics drivers are really unstable because of this, there is no way to modify or fix the code in case of an error and nvidia has the shittiest track record when it comes to providing support with older video cards
But, the biggest reason and the whole reason i mentioned this was because If you were to run some older nonlegacy graphics card and wanted to run the nvidia proprietary drivers.
You'd need to install an OLD AS FUCK version of the X display server AND the kernel just to fucking get it to work.
>>there is no such thing as raw input because X developers are retarded
>Another lie.
My mouse still doesn't work properly after years of running this bullshit.
Tell me then, how do i get raw input?
b1533c No.14918543
815819 No.14919004
>>14918543
When you do it install nethack and you'll have more video games than any PS4 user.
2cac63 No.14919137
>>14918460
>muh libraries
It really depends on where you're getting your games from, but it shouldn't surprise you too much since library updates sometimes break existing programs. Ideally devs should either dynamically link to system libraries or release statically linked binaries using musl, so don't blame newfag dev problems on the OS.
>muh gamepads
I dunno man, gamepads have always just werked for me on Linux. Much less hassle than fiddling with gamepads on Windows.
>muh pulseaudio
If something requires pulseaudio, just use apulse.
>muh Debian
Ever heard of chrooting? Yes, it's a fucking retarded problem but don't blame that on the OS, it's purely a newfag dev problem.
>muh older OpenGL versions
Nigger, devs intentionally target those to support toasters (and sometimes you genuinely don't need a newer version's features). Simply bumping the required OpenGL version up higher would do jack shit for performance unless you redesigned much of the application, and even then converting OpenGL 1.x/2 programs to 3+ can be a pain.
>muh nvidia
Valid, Nvidia sucks.
>muh raw input
I admit I don't know much about this, but disabling mouse acceleration and cranking up the polling rate is good enough for me.
255ab8 No.14919187
>>14919004
How does it run? Is it able to run something light like i3?
Now that 5.05 exploit is out, I've been thinking of doing this with my PS4. It seems like it would make a pretty decent GNU/Linux system as long as there are proper drivers and hardware acceleration.
1de6f9 No.14919421
>>14919137
>muh newfag dev problem
That's 90% of all problems on linux and the reason the os will never get widely adapted as many people wish it would.
2c922c No.14919507
>>14919421
Linux is a kernel and already is widely used, two billion people use it in their main computing device.
d9a909 No.14919509
>>14919187
It's able to run plenty I'd say. Games aren't exactly easy on the hardware, and if somebody can run GNU/Linux on a DS I say you can probably do most of anything you'd want.
Hell, you could probably use FreeBSD and run just like it was native. PS4's software is based on FreeBSD.
2c922c No.14919516
>>14919509
Does AMDGPU work?
d9a909 No.14919523
>>14919516
Don't know, haven't tried, but should. And failing that, help find out how to make it work.
3cc259 No.14919531
>>14919507
>already widely used
Not once google replaces it with their kernel.
e5e4a3 No.14919579
>>14905608
because she is dabbing. I think, not same anon.
815819 No.14919655
>>14919187
>Is it able to run something light like i3?
Yes, but that's still stretching it. Better to free up the CPU and RAM and use a terminal only system. I multitask on the wii with tmux.
That's also why I got zsh with a nice and lightweight theme. The RAM usage is 20MB because I got rtorrent and irssi, on the background. The system uses around 13MBs of RAM if the shell is zsh, and about 15MBs of the shell is bash.
Browsing the web with a commandline browser like links2 is more than fast enough.
Basically if you know how to operate an unix-like commandline operating system the wii has more than enough processing power for day to day PC tasks.
>It seems like it would make a pretty decent GNU/Linux system
Linux on ps4 can be as good as on the desktop if the guys maintaining it make their patches mainline and the free software AMD drivers start supporting the PS4's GPU.
You can get hardware acceleration on a ps4 editing some text files on the free software drivers and recompiling them, the GPU already has a working driver because it's based on some other GPU and all you need to do is edit some hardware IDs to match the driver with the card.
472f2a No.14919664
>>14919595
*employ filter*
dealt with :^))))
haha
366670 No.14922114
>>14915239
>but have lags and glitches of audio like if it were pulseaudio
Are you sure you've completely removed pulse?
I've changed over to wine and I'm impressed that NV runs as well as on my windows boot.
>>14906669
>Old as shit
Run it in an XP vm. A well known keygen works extremely well.
186d3d No.14922157
>>14899127
>TempleOS
>some bland futuristic bike designed by people who probably didnt even make their own compilers
>not a trusty steed used by knights of the Lord God
5edd83 No.14922228
I AM ANGRY
ANGRY ABOUT LCDS
WHY DO THEY CUT OFF THE HORIZONTAL SPACE, YOU ARE GETTING KIKED HARD
KIKED
HARD
4:3 MONITORS ARE BIG AS SHIT AND I CAN'T FIND ANY NEW ONES ANYMORE, EVERYTHING IS SO GODDAMN SQUISHED
THE LAST FUCKING TIME I WAS AT THE STORE SOME STUPID NIGGER REPLACED THEIR MAIN COMPUTER WITH A ULTRA-WIIIIDE SCREEN, THERE IS NO GODDAMN VERTICAL SPACE ANYMORE, IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT A SHITTY PERISCOPE
THEY ARE CUTTING THE TOPS OFF OF MONITORS AND PUTTING THEM TO THE SIDES AS AN EXCUSE TO KIKE OUT ON MONITOR SCREEN SIZE, YOU ARE GETTING KIKED HARRRRRD
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
1001e4 No.14922992
>>14922228
>4:3
but 16:9 is bigger, it's right there in the fucking numbers
are you stupid or what?
da7864 No.14923015
>>14922228
pawn shops man. you can get a new to you 4:3 for 20 dollarydoos.
c33ffe No.14923424
>>14922228
Just get 16:10 or 1920x1920.
1ebfa2 No.14923484
>>14908933
>ancap tux
You idiot, it's literally Uma Thurman from "Kill Bill".
b27a26 No.14924853
>>14924806
I don't get why a season seems to be the biggest spook for /v/ :3
Did the other kids not let you play with them during summer camp?
5be628 No.14924876
>>14899824
>>there are serveral versions of the same library for every single game installed
You just described the .NET/DirectX landscape that only now is being corrected.
4058ee No.14926722
>>14922228
>ywn have a 400hz SED on your Vita
>the only handheld with any prospect of microLED adaptation is the (((Switch))) assuming Nintendo somehow stops hiring the cheapest contractors to produce their screens
>regular PC monitors will be eternally stuck with IPS, VA and TNgod help LCDs while smart TVs, cancerdroid phones and the Apple community get 6,000,000:1 contrast ratios and sub-1ms reaction times
>all microLED smart TVs will have mandatory HDCP encryption and can only be used as a monitor in the presence of trusted display driver blobs, with up to 15 years jail time for thinking about breaking said encryption
>they will all be in 16 or 21:9 to boot
>PC monitor production will be phased out in favor of all-in-one thin clients connecting straight to the cloud
cf3ef4 No.14926822
>>14899893
>About me being kidnapped by elementary schoolgirls
I need to play this, someone better translate it as fast as possible.
b1533c No.14927341
>>14926722
>buy smart TV
>Remove smart bullshit
>buy generic screen controller
>install it
>You're stuck with shit aspect ratio though
04df14 No.14928749
2e7289 No.14930014
>>14899903
>Uptime: 1m
nice vm
2c6a10 No.14930067
>>14926722
>>14922228
I don;t give a fuck about your freetards shitty Jewish/Finnish OS', but apparently this thread is now about displays
The problem with modern display hardware is companies just throw resolution out into the wind without any strict set of interface or color standards. Only Apple (as much as I fucking hate Apple) and Nintendo seems to understand this today. The Switch has an absolutely fantastic looking display. And its not because of resolution, the Switch is only 720p native. Its because Nintendo puts up strict standards with regards to user interfaces for their software, in combination with good use of color correction. The display looks crisp as a result. Same with Apple shit. Not saying screen resolution SHOULDN'T be priority, or that its okay for Nintendo to still be giving us 720p screens in 2018, but I am saying screen resolution alone doesn't make a display look good. You need to keep your applications consistent with the native screen resolution of the display, as well as having a good dynamic range and viewing angle. My Android phone is a native 1440p, but it doesn't look nearly as good as the Switch, the colors are all washed out, and the interfaces on many apps looks fuzzy. and I have a flagship phone.
b1533c No.14930123
>>14930067
>resolution
>resolution
>resolution
No, pixel density
cf3ef4 No.14930298
>>14930067
Software can't just make a display look better, what are you talking about? Everything looks better on the Switch, because the Display itself is better than many other. Not because the User Interface is adapted to it.
4cd104 No.14931385
>>14899102
Probably the most retarded thing I've ever read on a board anywhere.
ab5c88 No.14931480
>>14930067
>Its because Nintendo puts up strict standards with regards to user interfaces for their software, in combination with good use of color correction.
You've just revealed yourself as not knowing what you are talking so hard that there's no coming back. Nintendo doesn't even consider dead pixels on the Switch or yellow screens to be manufacturing defects. As in, you can not get customer support to replace it.
400572 No.14931628
>Morrowind with OpenMW
>Terraria
>Factorio
Oh my god my autism is flaring up and I can't even pick one to play because there's not enough time in the day.
1f8568 No.14931831
>>14899075
>>14899109
would make more sense to have open source represented by a 95 jeep wrangler that you own outright, and closed source be a 2018 jeep grand cherokee that will be repossessed one day
2c6a10 No.14932166
>>14931480
>Nintendo doesn't even consider dead pixels on the Switch or yellow screens to be manufacturing defects. As in, you can not get customer support to replace it.
Neither does Apple, or ASUS, or HP. Obviously they'll waive rules in favor of customer service if it's particularly bad.
08b77a No.14936802
I run windows 7 for videogames, but recently I've been developing in it too which is quite a rude experience compared to Linux.
753fd7 No.14937595
4a3034 No.14937640
Linux absolutely sucks at playing games. Specially if you commit yourself to not installing Steam. Couple that with the fact that nothing ever works on wine and thepiratebay/share thread give virus-infested and broken games, I'd rather just buy shit outright from GOG.
Though, if it weren't for the absence of games to play, I wouldn't be able to make so much progress on my engine.
Linux excels at being a development platform, not as a gaming one.
929668 No.14938277
>>14915239
Pulseaudio just works.
2ba68c No.14940981
e8c630 No.14940999
>>14937640
What's the simplest foolproof distro for someone to use? How are the dev tools? I might be interested in releasing on Linux in the future but my games would be simple C# 2d shit at best
acc073 No.14941097
>>14899824
This anon is completely right.
X11 has no documented standard for fullscreen mode. Everyone just tells you to either "read the code" or look at what SDL did. Changing the video mode isn't part of X, but X has a bunch of extensions that implement that in slightly different ways, none of which are documented. On windows, I can use raw input, and on the UNIX version I simply cant, I think that there is some file that has the raw input but it depends on what kernel I am using. I don't even know where to begin to connect to a gamepad on linux, on windows at least I have directInput, so I know how to add support for gamepads if I want it.
This is my project in windows and on UNIX, I am using slackware. The UNIX port is objectively inferior, even if its only in some pretty small ways, like fullscreen mode and raw input, although I am pretty sure that if there was more documentation I could fix it all up and get it up to speed, but on windows Microsoft has a lot of great documentation so I don't have that problem. Eventually I will take the time to get it working but it's just not as good for making video games with as windows is because of this.
2ba68c No.14941143
>>14941097
Can second. X is hell to program with. It's suppose to be replaced, but hasn't been for years.
acc073 No.14941185
>>14941143
I want to make it work with Wayland or something just since I need a reason to learn it, and it says its supposed to be a big improvement to X. If it can be as good as windows to use then that will be pretty nice, even though I still want to support X because I don't want to pull a Graf Zhal and look for reasons to drop support for older systems. I think X's shitty design is the number one reason that linux ports are so bad. It takes way more effort to get the same results that you can take for granted with the windows API.
c5f235 No.14941200
>>14899863
I have a 1060 in my desktop and never had a problem with a linux game and also have a laptop with switchable nvidia graphics and I've never had a problem with that either. Running antergos on both. Waiting warmly to see what the new 7nm vega is like tho.
c5f235 No.14941277
>>14902825
I can finally play sim sheep 2
e8c630 No.14941440
>>14941097
You did all the code yourself right? How did you get perspective correct texture sampling? I tried something simple and it got sheared. Did you actually implement it or oet the graphis device do it
acc073 No.14941658
>>14941440
Yeah, I wrote all the code myself.
The GPU does this for you, it isn't software rendered. I don't have experience writing software renderers so I don't know how to do the math for it myself.
c5f235 No.14941766
>obsessively following the development of godot, openhmd, openXR and vulkan
I JUST WANT TO VR ON LINUX
ee5c7b No.14942245
>>14908086
If you have Intel CPU made within the last 7 years, there's Minix running on your computer whether you want it or not.
b1533c No.14942303
>>14942245
>whether you want it or not.
Wrong, only at boot.
http://archive.fo/uxaZz
04df14 No.14942312
>>14941766
>VR
That’s your first mistake, but forgivable
>Linux
There’s no getting past this mistake
472f2a No.14942467
>>14941766
>I JUST WANT A 3D HEADSET ON LINUX
fixed
c5f235 No.14942470
>>14942467
I want various controllers and peripherals too
6a646b No.14942891
>>14941097
>>14941185
I would take any of this seriously if there weren't SDL, GTK or Qt all of which offer you easy abstractions to toggle full screen.
And more than enough games to show it working in any case
And unless they changed it since, Wayland will actually not work for games because it doesn't support mouse capture .
08b77a No.14953407
>>14940999
>how are the dev tools
I hope you're fucking kidding.
acc073 No.14953821
>>14942891
Not trying to say its impossible or less capable or anything. It's just that Linux makes it harder and so shitty Linux ports happen because of that. If you look at SDL it does managed to do a kind of fake fullscreen mode, it doesn't actually change the monitors display mode like you do in window's fullscreen mode. Consider:
https://github.com/spurious/SDL-mirror/blob/master/src/video/x11/SDL_x11window.c
Which has a strategy of either setting a bunch of hints and letting the WM try and draw it over the other windows, or drawing its own window on top of all of the other windows- it doesn't actually know how to change the screen resolution, it just fakes it, as far as I can tell from this code. Yes, it's "fullscreen" but it can't actually change the display mode of the monitor to the display mode of the game like what windows can do very easily here:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd183411%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
And so, SDL's solution is just inferior to how windows does fullscreen mode. I can go through all of the other libraries, and maybe one of them does it correctly, but as you can tell on windows I don't have to do this, it's a lot less effort.
227d91 No.14961741
>>14937640
>Linux absolutely sucks at playing games
>Couple that with the fact that nothing ever works on wine and thepiratebay/share thread give virus-infested and broken games
How can you be so wrong? Teach me, o master of inexactitude and failure!
86d5cf No.14961769
>>14937640
>Couple that with the fact that nothing ever works on wine
How come I'm playing Stalker SOC just fine.
2cac63 No.14970987
>>14941097
Apparently some Source games support raw input on Linux, although I'm not sure how they're doing it since reading /dev/input/eventX usually requires root and running vidya as root is a bad idea. I'll let you know on /agdg/ if I find anything.
2ba68c No.14971492
Every fucking time I update wine I have to reinstall half my goddamn system.
2a9502 No.14976986
>>14902223
>linux has no games
61f93a No.14983239
Alright, new question: What problems with distributing games do universal packages like Flatpak and Snap solve? From the look of it, they makes installing shit and getting it to run out of the box A LOT easier, but do they do anything for backwards compatibility?
61f93a No.14983248
>>14971492
Stop using Arch.
61f93a No.14983546
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>14898961
it runs at about 70-80% native. That is still fucking amazing.
2ba68c No.14984395
>>14983248
I don't use arch I use mint.
61f93a No.14984423
>>14984395
Then what you said makes no sense unless you're talking about upgrading from one version to another.
23aba8 No.14984526
>>14984423
I think you underestamate mint's ability to fuck up.
4d0675 No.14984608
>>14953821
>it can't actually change the display mode of the monitor to the display mode of the game like what windows can do
How do wine and dosbox do it then?
acc073 No.14985271
>>14984608
I will have to back-track on my post because while I was correct about SDL2, i'm wrong about SDL1.2 which actually does switch the display mode correctly. If you check line 155 of SDL_x11modes.c in the SDL1.2 source code (https://libsdl.org/download-1.2.php) they actually are switching the video modes like how you would implement fullscreen in windows and how i'm trying to implement fullscreen mode in my engine.
I think that DOSbox is using SDL1.2 and that is why it has proper fullscreen with mode switching. So I'm going to have to study that source code to see how it works when I get around to fixing it up. I do have fullscreen mode switching on linux it just has a lot of problems right now.
Wine isn't using SDL2, they also use XF86VM like SDL1.2 and I am using. Really looking at it again it makes more sense to me how it works, it's just that linux makes it harder for me to find the information.
2ba68c No.14985655
>>14984423
>>14984526
Wine 2.0+ uses different versions of certain packages than Ubuntu (and thus Mint). This makes it so apt-get doesn't work. I've tried to force it to work, but it just breaks everything. The only way to upgrade to wine 3.0 is to download the source and build it.
4a3034 No.14985957
>>14961769
Try another 10 games and you'll see my point.
d87256 No.14986156
>>14983546
I thought WINE was that good to begin with?
61f93a No.14986178
>>14986156
You'd be lucky to get 40-50% performance with OpenGL translation. >>14986156
61f93a No.14994252
>>14985271
Sound more like X11 making shit harder than Linux specifically, How does this work with Wayland?
61f93a No.14994261
>>14983239
If you know what you're doing, you could in theory have comparable backwards compatibility with Windows. Hell, better if you can avoid glibc breakage.
682084 No.14995404
>>14985655
It works fine on Ubuntu 18 and all it's flavours.
>>14983239
>do they do anything for backwards compatibility?
Yes. Simply because they ship with all the dependencies needed, which are separated from the system so your system can be free to update it's libraries independently.
e9f3da No.14995525
OP, I run OpenBSD (close enough to NetBSD) and mostly play stuff like text adventures via frotz or gargoyle, or just use various emulators like fceux, dosbox, and sdlmess. Apart from the actual bsdgames (the stuff that comes with the OS in /usr/games) I hardly play any other "native" games at all, except for a small handful of text roguelikes.
2ba68c No.14995978
>>14995404
I've been using the same install since like, wine 1.6. So I'm not on Ubuntu 17. Also dist-upgrade or whatever it is wouldn't bump me up to Ubuntu 18 either.
61f93a No.14996067
>>14995404
I guess the most important question as far as backwards compatibility goes is 'can Flatpak help you avoid glibc breakage?'
9275ef No.14996070
>>14902253
>play modified Mechcommander Gold on Linux
>it works with less hassle than on Windows 8.1
Sure, it still occasionally crashes on reasons completely unknown to me, but it's still working far better than it was on Windows. Not entirely sure as to what was changed in the latest Wine-update but it seems to me that it's bit more unstable.
61f93a No.14996110
>>14996096
It should be noted you need the enhanced editions data files ftm. That version just so happens to be on sale too:
https://www.gog.com/game/system_shock_enhanced_edition
9275ef No.14996114
>>14905628
>Accelerator-spam happened 7 years ago
Good heavens, it was that long ago? Did the brown-box spam happen 9 or 10 years ago then?
61f93a No.14996739
>>14996114
Welcome to old, anon.
682084 No.14997966
>>14995978
Do a clean install. Wine 1.6 is outdated as fuck. Wine 3 is available on Ubuntu and 2 has been for at least a year.
2ba68c No.14999241
>>14997966
If you mean wine. I've upgrade wine to 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 and now am on 3.0. 2.0 is what I started getting resistance. It gave me the same problems I had when upping to 3.0. Trying to get it to work through apt-get, aptitude, etc broke a lot of shit in the process. Eventually I had to just download the source files and build it.
acc073 No.14999289
>>14994252
I don't even know how Wayland works yet, I want to learn it but i'm not there yet. Hopefully it's better.
And yeah, it's mostly X11. But unfortunately X11 is the most important part of Linux as a gaming platform since it controls most of the stuff you need for a game.
fb294c No.14999378
I don't understand. Why not just multi-boot?
d9a909 No.14999558
>>14999241
Using Mint is asking for cancer anyway, just look at the huge fuckup they had a while back. I'd advise distro-hopping if you have a way to move your data (copy /home)
ec5f8e No.14999612
>>14999378
I only do these 3 things 90% of the time on the computer
Play games and media
Download stuff
Browse the internet
For me the mood to play a game comes spontaneously, i dont exclusively boot the PC do one or another .
If every time i wanted to boot a game i had to reboot into windows it would quickly become a nuisance because most likely i want to use the web and have access to my files at the same time, this quickly leads to using only windows for everything and leaving that linux drive to collect dust.
My opinion is that if you want the best of both worlds you either get two computers running at the same time and try to find a comfortable way of doing so (some computer cases support two motherboards even) or you use GPU pass-through which is not as seamlessly as you think because switching back and forth between the host OS and the virtual windows machine involves constantly enabling and disabling hardware because only one OS can have control of it at a time, e.g if you want to browse the internet on Linux but have an online game running on the windows virtual machine you need to disconnect the network adapter from windows and re assign it to linux, which means the game goes offline…unless you get a second network adapter and then use one for each, same applies for the keyboard, mouse and other hardware.
2ba68c No.14999636
>>14999558
>Stop using arch
<I'm using mint
>IT'S MINT
61f93a No.15000590
>>14999558
Ubuntu Mate is basically the new Mint as far as I'm concerned. Not a lot of reason to use Cinnamon when Mate is lighter and using modern GTK too.
e9f3da No.15001618
>>14999378
I have no need whatsoever for Windows, or even Linux. Every game I could possibly want to play runs on emulators for 80's and early 90's computers and consoles. Even when I play Doom, I don't use any modern ports, because I don't like them (except maybe Chocolate Doom, since it's like the DOS game, but hey dosbox works just as well).
899b86 No.15001848
GOTTA SHIELD MY EYES
FOR ALL YOU NIGGERS ARE GLOWIN
08dea0 No.15002196
Linux Steam should by default only show items that are playable on that platform. It's fucking tedious to browse through all the shit that won't run.
000000 No.15002426
4d4152 No.15002446
>>15002196
pretty sure it does that, you can categorize by os and it will hide the shitty games you want to play but cant run
ec5f8e No.15002509
>>15000590
Even KDE will run on minimal resources too, just don't install all that plasma and Kubuntu shit nobody uses anyway, mine uses like 350mb of ram and has zero bloat.
Too bad the only way to not get a bloated KDE on Ubuntu is to do a barebones server like install and then build your way up from there.
>>15001618
Why are you still here? Just to suffer?
e9f3da No.15003201
>>15002509
I don't really have anywhere else to go. The web got pretty fucked over the last decade. Anyway I'm getting ready to just bail out completely. For now I'm downloading all the old stuff I can find.
2fa3a8 No.15003372
>>15003201
>I don't really have anywhere else to go. The web got pretty fucked over the last decade. Anyway I'm getting ready to just bail out completely. For now I'm downloading all the old stuff I can find.
Holy fuck this is what I decided on last year. I've got a mustard rice gayming rig, HOTAS, vr, fast as fuck internet…
AND THERE'S NOTHING FUCKING OUT THERE FOR ME
So I went and modchip'd My psone, put a better optical drive in it, tuned the mofo to read burned discs better, and started making a list of expensive games to pirate, and cheap games to buy for it. I even have the lcd screen for it, and I'm keeping My eye out for a certain model of aftermarket battery pack to refurb for it, for the absolute snuggest fucking playstation experience ever.
>That feel when You finally get to play The misadventures of Tron Bonne, Jumping Flash, Harmful park, and more. And all from the comfort of Your bed, snug AS FUCK, thanks to that little lcd.
And that's just the tip of the ice burg. Soon, I'll have all the room I need to unpack the rest of My old gear, all My old systems and games, My 15khz crt, My 31khz crts, a sony trinitron tv, Light guns, My unfinished JAMMA supergun build, My dos and win98se rigs. All of it. Wait for Me, My beloved Mechwarrior 3, We'll be reunited soon
And when I'm less of a poorfag, I'll be buying top-tier flash carts and Optical Drive Emulators for My consoles. Then I'll FUCKING FINALLY get to play fucking Panzer dragoon saga and all those poorly localized Working designs games.
Then, I tune the fuck out. The net' will just be a utility for fetching old media.
>inb4 "just emulate everything on Your peecee"
Why? I've already got the hardware, I've got the tools and know-how to do hardware mods and repair, I've already got a massive physical library, I'll soon have a man cave to die for with all of the gear set up. Emulation would only make sense if I were a young fag who didn't already have these things.
>inb4 blogpost
I'm not blogposting, I'm preaching the good word. The sooner everyone realizes there's fucking decades worth of old vidya still to be played, the sooner we'll all start having fun again. Why go forward when the only thing ahead of You is a pit full of shit?
Polite sage for off-topic.
61f93a No.15003765
>glibc breakage
Are the glibc guys even still breaking shit like they used to? Last I heard, they actually fixed a bug that broke old Unity games.
ac154b No.15003975
>>15003372
>My
>Your
Why are you capitalizing these?
400572 No.15004091
>>15001618
So what are you using? BSD?
3a8e55 No.15006845
Can linux into games yet?
e9f3da No.15006922
>>15004091
OpenBSD on an old laptop, and a Nintendo DS with flash cart that I mostly use for GB/GBC and GameGear stuff. I'm going to get an Amiga 500 with floppy emulator though! I used to have an A500 and really miss it.
682084 No.15007014
ec5f8e No.15007040
>>15006845
most small studio and indie games run well and nearly none of the AAA games from the last 5 years work, so nothing new.
432819 No.15007090
Nothing worked on my linux machine the graphics driver..audio out…it managed to boot the desktop then I fixed every single problem and it runs a fuck ton better then any windows machine I have ever used. That being said Im thinking about going deeper. Whats a good friendly distro without systemd. I managed to hack together my os to work when nothing did so i think i can take a more challenging o/s
ec5f8e No.15007109
>>15007090
Artix or Devuan
400572 No.15007130
>>15006922
You should consider a Nintendo 3DS. The same flashcart will work on it for the DS games, and you can put CFW on the 3DS to pirate 3DS games too. The thing even has very competent NES and SNES game emulators you can get, made by Nintendo themselves. People just took Nintendo's official eStore SNES games, which were emulator wrappers around game data, and swapped out the game data for any other SNES game they wanted. Same thing with GB/GBC games too.
432819 No.15007488
>>14915239
Restarting services worked sometimes for me..although sometimes i just had to reboot the whole system and then wine would work. I don't care about about a issue that crops up three times a year to really dig into it beyond that.
1a9241 No.15011040
>>15007109
>Arch and Debian but without systemd
>"good friendly distro"
Nothing wrong with these, just not what I'd recommend as user friendly. Come to think of it, I don't know of any non-systemd distros that are set it and forget it like the Ubuntu family.
1a9241 No.15011118
>>15011040
Did a little digging out of curiosity and found some at this link: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_distributions_without_systemd
Some of these are technically "user friendly" but probably not great for vidya purposes. Void Linux is decently easy to install, but has a very bare bones installer that glosses over some important features like full-disk encryption; and maybe this is just my experience alone, but I've had nothing but trouble with video games and Void. I like Trisquel but FOSS-only is a no-go for video games. Linux Mint Debian Edition exists but is poorly supported in comparison to its other releases, so I can't be sure if that's a good choice. There are a few other ones that fit this niche but are basically dead as far as development goes.
My opinion is that if you're not a power user who really understands why systemd and other Poetteringware is bad, you probably won't gain anything from avoiding it. Get an Ubuntu fork like Xubuntu or Kubuntu and don't sweat the small stuff.
27e4fd No.15011810
>>15011118
Devuan is set and forget.
d9c7f3 No.15011849
>>15011810
Awesome, even more outdated packages than regular Debian.
27e4fd No.15011909
>>15011849
Awesome, even more dependencies to SYSTEMD than Devuan.
432819 No.15013018
>>15011118
Im willing to put in alot of effort. the truth is im trying to force myself to rank up my computer skill my using vidya as the endgoal. IE some shits going to run but to get the rest up may take a while. Im willing to put alot of effort in. Im also wondering if there is a good open source teamviewer like application because of friends I may need to troubleshoot with because im going to be distributing a build of this to them. Gotta protect your friends from the nsa bubble.
The program should preferably be something that once its finished running and trouble shooting is over uninstalls itself back to the basic file so the functions it does cannot be accessed remotely.
Is the debian like but no systemD better for the vidya generally? I managed to get a low tier game ffx-2 running in dx11 using the ps4 controller. IE there was no instruction set to make it actully work. I just made it work. This isnt just about me but protecting other people I know. I understand the problems of systemD which is why i asked for a distro without it. Out of the box functionality has no meaning. I want security and i know that sone of the fun stuff will work it just may take a while. I am fine with this. Now if the distro just plain wont work with vidya at all then no i dont want it >_<
b33769 No.15013215
So what are good distros without systemd? Espcially if you barley above beginner levels when using Linux. Bonus points if no pulseaudio.
ef2935 No.15013265
>>15013215
PCLinuxOS, Void Linux, Gentoo, Alpine
98ea99 No.15013281
>>14898747
>I am free
not as long hardware is backdoored
86231b No.15013309
>>15013265
I've actually used PCLinuxOS on my uncle's computer and it was extremly nice. Didnt use it myself though because at the time the documentation on its package manager was garbage.
63dfe3 No.15013378
>>15013373
The logo reminds me of Spore.
f1866b No.15013394
>>15013378
I am still pretty much beginner linux user and only tried linux mint. I broke my mint's sound so i listened to anon who recommended Deepin. I am having great experience so far, managed to make sims 4 working on already inbuilt free crossover (not trial surprising). And all my browser shit set up very quickly.
Love that they have their own USB flash drive making too as well.
But something feels catchy. First of all its chinese corporation that made it, second its too good to be true, the system is really well done and they say they "paid for crossover for all users". They "paid" for applications for free OS for all users of it? I hope they at least get money from installing this software to corporations.
f1866b No.15013398
f1866b No.15013440
This is just for anon who recommended me deepin, hope he's aware of that.
I personally think its not important for me to what chinks think of what i do, since they aren't my own government, but its always useful to know other people's opinions.
I am sure deepin has problems with rivals on the market dare enough to slander it, especially for partnership with CodeWeavers.
From wikipedia:
>In April 2018, Deepin 15.5 criticized for containing spyware by QuidsUp (a British YouTuber who reviews Linux distros, and had also reviewed previous releases of Deepin). QuidsUp claimed that while looking into the operating system for suspicious requests, he noticed that when requests to the Deepin Store were sent, a follow-up request by CNZZ would also show up. When analyzed, these requests from CNZZ seemed to collect the browser agents and a few other information of the user.[21][22] This caused many of the users, and the Linux community to suspect that Deepin was providing backdoors for the Chinese government.[23] The company has made official statements on the matter, clarifying that it has not collected user private information in the past and will not collect user private information in the future. The Deepin has also stated that CNZZ is a website similar to Google Analytics, and collects user anonymous usage information like the screen size, browser and, other "harmless" browser user agents.[24]
462117 No.15013515
>>14999612
You know, if you found yourself prominently using windows while having linux available, doesn't that just mean windows is more suited for your needs?
9a9eac No.15013567
>>15013515
Are you using windows 10? Does last version of windows 10 with little configuration or cutting it down suits your needs? Or you are using crippled windows 7 which you reinstall once every month, configuring it for an entire day every time you do it? Or you let trash pile up your system, and paying for good anti-virus, which is slowing it down? Or you're using free antivirus like avast that tracks your shit and does ads of chrome in your face?
ef2935 No.15013603
549ded No.15013674
>>15013440
>Trusting chinks
Man people are dumb.
ecd981 No.15016243
>>14941200
what's your de?
5d2dc9 No.15016296
>>14940999
>What's the simplest foolproof distro for someone to use?
Ubuntu MATE.
>How are the dev tools?
Linux has a near 100% market share for software developers, and if you add every other unix-like system you might aswell call it 100% so you tell me. I know the number of people associated with something doesn't make it good, but in a situation like this without any explanation against it I think it's a valid reason without making an even bigger wall of text than this post is already going to be. Like how literally every single implementation of the C language ever is literal insanity and literally everyone okay with it undoubtedly has brain parasites.
>inb4 visual c++ and wangblows shit
Yeah, sometimes used for small 1 person hobby projects.
>>15013215
>Espcially if you barley above beginner levels when using Linux.
Out of anon's suggestion of "PCLinuxOS, Void, Gentoo, Alpine" I have only not used PCLinuxOS and I can safely say the other 3 aren't starter distros. I'm currently ruining void which I like to see as a rolling release debian for advanced users, I've ran Gentoo and discovered that while it has its uses, on a desktop PC it's just a low quality meme and Alpine just isn't a desktop oriented distro.
My recommendations for linux newfags who don't want the systemd pozz are:
>MX Linux
Comes with systemd in the form of shims that aren't actually systemd but fool programs that depend on it, and has pulseaudio. It's basically a group of people trying to make a second ubuntu out of debian, but without forking ubuntu or debian. The distro is based on debian and brings the systemd pozz to acceptable levels, but you still have other garbage poetteringware like the previously mentioned pulseaudio but also things like dbus. In my opinion the best systemd-free distro for newbies, but you're still not free from our overlord Poettering and his crown of thorns the RedHat.
>MIYO Linux
Devuan-based desktop-oriented distro. No pulseaudio, just alsa. Has an i3 option which you should avoid if you don't know what you're doing, stick to openbox.
Sketchy mentions:
>Linux Mint
If I recall correctly it'll only make the switch to obligatory systemd on the next release, and the previous will be supported for some time. So you're guaranteed to get the systemd pozz, but you can risk using it and learning a bit more about linux before you're on an unsupported release.
>*BSDs
Very good OS'es to use and actually very easy to use, aswell as resistant to the insanities surrounding linux nowadays, but you'll run into trouble because they're not as popular. Stuff like having a question you don't feel like making a thread in a shitty forum for but can't google an answer because realistically the desktop PC market share of all BSDs combined is probably only some tens of thousands. It's pretty sad, but it's how things are. They still have their own issues though, for instance FreeBSD is SJW.
AVOID:
Anything relating to Arch.
Debian, which is deprecated by Devuan unless you really know what you're doing.
Funtoo. Gentoo was never exactly a bastion of competence but Funtoo's developer (who's also the founder of gentoo but now doesn't wok on it) has shown he can't run a distro practically alone like he does now. Maybe if he came back to gentoo, I don't even know why he left.
RedHat. You'll nearly unavoidably get raped by one of their tentacles, but don't go after the whole kraken.
I think my wall of text is pretty comprehensive but I don't know everything nor have I used every distro ever to speak about every one of them, what I say here is only what I know and there is more to be said that I'm not aware of. For instance maybe OpenSUSE is good, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't use it.
As someone who's involved in multiple loonix world projects the way I see it the environment has been poisoned and we're heading towards guaranteed unevitable downfall because all of the key parts of the ecosystem have been infiltrated by kikes and 3 letter agency plants and their influence can now only go up, not down, and things have been like this for a long long time. But enjoy this burning ship for as long as you can because at least it's not windows.
d9a909 No.15016321
>>15016296
Mostly this.
I would use OpenBSD except for the fact that their update-from-iso thing is bogus.
ecd981 No.15016378
i don't really understand what's bad about arch linux
currently running it without problems for six months now, pretty decent and easy distro. anything i want is on aur and bleeding edge is not as bad as people portray it to be. i haven't broken anything and enjoy my up to date packages
as of community - who gives a shit? why do you need to go to the forums, /r/archlinux and ircs about the distro if you've installed it? doesn't hurt my experience at all, really
11ea58 No.15018214
>>15016296
Pulseaudio is actually pretty easy to get rid of, you can just delete the whole crap on Linux Mint and stick with ALSA. Apart from a few programs that rely on this shit it is very well doable. You can get rid of systemd on Linux Mint too but some few things will break which requires fixing which I sadly do not know how to do it.
>unevitable downfall because all of the key parts of the ecosystem have been infiltrated by kikes and 3 letter agency plants and their influence can now only go up, not down, and things have been like this for a long long time.
But cannot it be fixed in one way or another? It looks like all that it needs that mainly Devuan needs more users to make it a viable option to the pozz fest that Debian is.
db61fd No.15019441
bought darkest dungeon today
pretty good game lads
runs on amd e-series cheapo laptop, very pleasing
5d2dc9 No.15019533
>>15018214
Yeah, you uninstall pulseaudio and tell alsa to use the right audio output (which might not be necessary if the right audio output is the first audio output).
But in the distros that accept pulseaudio packages will hard depend on pulse and reinstall it, whereas others like Devuan patch the pulse hard dependency out but allow you to install it if you want.