45852f No.14885807
Do spoilers ruin games for you?I've always felt that any narrative destroyed by spoilers is a weak one, and that any moment should be impactful regardless of it being expected or not. I mean, people get upset and that's why stuff like the Boston Salt Mines worked, but have you ever felt really robbed by a spoiler before? I'm mostly curious because I've seen youtube thumbnails and names with the Blades of Chaos present or in Kratos' hands - and that's just about the second biggest narrative turn in the game aside from the ending. And yet no one has complained, or anything (At the least, those folks didn't change the thumbs or the titles…), which is strange to me.
On the other hand, you have the big moments from Warframe, which is the Second Dream quest and War Within, which are well-hidden by the community and respected far and wide in and outside it. It was a big deal and when I got there, I was initially flummoxed by the implications, and then it fell away to being normal after a few hours.
e4635a No.14885901
Warframe's narrative "twist" is a contemptuous jab at their audience, like everything in that game. Caring about vidya stories while excusing shite mechanics is something I loathe about current video game culture.
24dcce No.14885907
>>14885901
Over 6 gorillion registered losers
e4635a No.14885944
>>14885907
Female community managers and their thirsty followers are another loathsome aspect of the times as well. Bring it all down.
b26f20 No.14886009
>>14885807
You just answered your own question. Sure, great stories should be able to stand up regardless of minor spoilers, but we don't have the luxury of having a wealth of great stories to choose from.
eb36f3 No.14886067
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Knowing what's gonna happen isn't as bad as seeing or hearing parts of the story ahead of time. It takes the experience apart and robs scenes of their impact. This GTA IV trailer ruined the Darko Brevic confrontation for me, and I didn't even know it until I got there in the game.
14fb80 No.14886268
I don't know if I've played a game where the ending was so mind blowing that knowing ahead of time what happens would have ruined the magic. Video game writing is mostly shit. Video game ending are almost always shit. It's the journey not the destination.
6523b4 No.14886416
I've only decided to play Ghost Trick after I learned Sissel's twist.
It was a great game.
I've only decided to play Sinemora after I've read its entire plot summary.
It was shit.
I've only decided to play Automata after watching original Nier on jewtube.
It was the best game I've ever played.
I've only decided to pay MGS5 after watching all other MGSes on jewtube.
It was pretty good but not masterpiece.
So yeah spoilers are good, and can play a deciding factor for giving game a chance even if it looks like shit from the outside.
2bc1c7 No.14886427
I'm glad I got Star Ocean 3 spoiled for me because otherwise I would've never experienced it in its retarded glory.
2bc1c7 No.14886442
>>14886427
By which I mean I played it after hearing about it, not just watching it like the spastic faggot above me.
1ee641 No.14886444
I didnt care when I found out Strelok in STALKER was the player that just had amensia
I didnt care when I found out Junko was the mastermind all along; Leon, Mondo and Celese being the killer, with sakura killing herself and chihiro being a trap in danganronpa
I didnt care when you find out Gant was the killer in Act 1-5, Misty Fey actually being alive and killed by Godot in Act 3-5, nor Mia's death in the first game
I didn't give a fuck when I found out sesiel was actually the cat in ghost trick
Lastly I didnt care when you find out you either had to kill your son or nuke the commonwealth in Fallout 4
And neither should you faggot
54866b No.14886445
>>14885807
Not once, because I'm going in for the gameplay. Now if someone spoiled a book I was reading I'd be pissed, since the story is the sole draw, but gameplay is the only thing that matters with vidya.
I pirated Fallout 4 at release and knew that YOUR SON IS THE BAD GUY AND YOU HAVE TO KILL HIM OR NUKE THE COMMONWEALTH, and that didn't negatively impact the gameplay at all. I played through it once and it was a competent loot'n'shoot in the vein of borderlands, the story never interested me.
6523b4 No.14886450
>>14886442
Who's spastic now?
45852f No.14886461
>>14886445
>Now if someone spoiled a book I was reading I'd be pissed
A family member did that to me for Way of Kings, and the interesting thing was that I was initially pissed as fuck until I started to read it again.
Brandon Sanderson loves foreshadowing. It's fucking porn for him. And nine times out of ten you miss it entirely the first go.
33dcd2 No.14886463
no, but if i know what's coming than it's not as impactful as if i discovered it on my own.
54866b No.14886542
>>14886461
I think even in the case of an excellent book like that you're still being of your second proper reading.
54866b No.14886549
>>14886542
*still being robbed
99efab No.14886585
I think that story is often a reward for good gameplay. That's how I see it, at least, so to have a story spoiled kind of takes something away. Not a dealbreaker, but it's certainly a shame in some cases.
One anon mentioned Ace Attorney earlier. While in most of those cases, the spoilers wouldn't kill the experience, 3-4, my favorite case in the series, wouldn't have been nearly as impactful if I had known how it ended. Really, every little detail of 3-1 was building up to it, and while I knew it ended badly, I didn't exactly expect that ending. Small moments like that make me value story as a reward more than some other anons might.
853913 No.14886599
>>14885807
I had to spoil myself Deus Ex's twists and endings because my toaster couldnt run it, once I got a decent pc a finished it it became my favorite game
e156ae No.14886601
I got spoiled on Phantasy Star IV and it wasn't nearly as epic as I thought it would be. Great game though
164f08 No.14886663
>>14885807
>Do spoilers ruin games for you?I've always felt that any narrative destroyed by spoilers is a weak one, and that any moment should be impactful regardless of it being expected or not.
Yup, there you go.
41f181 No.14893294
>>14885807
>caring about spoilers
This means caring about story. Story is irrelevant, gameplay is king.
a64e6a No.14893511
The only time I ever cared about being spoiled on a game was Ghost Trick from some faggot here who casually dropped it in a thread that wasn't about the game and didn't use the spoiler text. I'm still mad over it
7d5f54 No.14893529
if there is some enjoyment to be had out of the suprise, then spoilers do ruin that
but its not a big deal, most of my enjoyment comes from the gameplay
even the "story" stuff I do enjoy is setting autism like item descriptions and whatnot
b69275 No.14893572
There is one twist that has shocked me into anger and that was the fucking "It was all rubber bullets'" shit in Yakuza 4
91a2b2 No.14895552
I don't have the time or money to play and beat every single damned game that comes out so I rely on spoilers to find out if something will be worth it. I've had people tell me before that they couldn't tell me why something was good and that I'd have to play to find out myself and it turned out to be shit.
96e78f No.14895556
>Do spoilers ruin games for you?
No, because i'm not subhuman
f9e5b8 No.14896262
The people who are salty over spoilers on the internet are usually either cancerous normalfag retards or trolls who only pretend that they are salty to bait even more of the aforementioned normalfag retards. I usually actively seek spoilers for vidya/books/movies etc that I'm not 100% certain of pirating so I don't waste my time.
ce4c00 No.14896265
how can you spoil a game?
oh you mean a "game" i.e. an interactive movie where you do QTEs to advance
kys faggot
96e78f No.14896283
>>14896265
>how can you spoil a game?
well some games have secret bosses, for example
bc8d2b No.14896453
Without context, spoilers don't affect me a lot. If someone told me that X character dies later in the game, it's won't matter until I see how and why.
678dd9 No.14896470
I hate spoilers with a passion on principle alone. It's not about whether the game / movie / book is good with or without prior knowledge of the plot etc. it's the fact that if you have something spoiled it robs you of the initial moment that I want to experience for myself directly. It's something no one can give you back, hence why I find intentional spoiling deplorable on general principle, something used by subhumans.
6088a5 No.14896481
No, but spoilers definitely weaken any narrative experience
be786d No.14896490
>>14896470
If spoils ruin a story for you, then you deserve to be shot
96e78f No.14896497
ba048b No.14896502
Gameplay spoilers like how to solve a puzzle or kill a boss can be annoying. They can rob you of the joy of figuring something out yourself. Story spoilers I don't really care about, it's not like that should ruin the entire journey up to the spoiled points or anything. So you know X character dies or something like that, it's not gonna have any weight until you have all the context of the story up to that point. Longer series are little different I guess, but then you'd still be wanting to see the shit for yourself anyway.
8708e8 No.14896706
Not really since typically if the twist is interesting or absurd enough I'll end up more interested in how it got there. I've always enjoyed the journey or sequence of events that lead from A to B rather than what happens at B. Probably from having a habit of reading the last couple of pages at the end of books before finishing it as a child.
ba256d No.14896712
>>14885807
I play games for the gameplay not the story, if you want a story go read a book.
a75125 No.14897106
>>14885807
A spoiler is only effective for a first time play. It might be nice to get a surprise, but at the end of the day, it means jack shit if the "twist" isn't supported by enjoyable gameplay. Nowadays ,media is soaked with stupid "twists" all over the place with no gameplay in sight.
Lets take Metal Gear Rising for example. You end the game by fighting a new metal gear and you fight a guy literally made out of nanomachines. Oh no, I just spoiled the final boss fight for you. What does it mean? It means you know who a certain character is a few cutscenes early. Does it hinder the final product? No, the gameplay is still tight and fun and the game is built in a way that has you coming back for more. Does it lessen the final boss? No, he's fun as fuck.
Everyone is trying to make the next big "twist", but they don't support it with any gameplay, leading to shitty wannabe visual novels packaged and sold as a "game", such as night in the woods.
And anyone who thinks of the "twist" in warframe as anything more than a hack writer trying to do just that should be gassed. The rest of the game's lore already contradicts the bullshit moonbaby crap.
ec453e No.14897120
Unless you're a delusional hipster or a brainlet, stories in vidya are never so engaging as to warrant worrying about possible spoilers.
7b8b28 No.14897121
>>14897106
Moonbaby was basically a means to appease the people who were asking for male/female warframe customization. Its them just breaking down and saying "YOU WANT TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PLAYING A MAN AND A WOMAN? FINE!"
3f2bb6 No.14897141
>>14885807
I never cared for spoilers no matter the medium unless the whole point is to figure out the solution or problem like in puzzle games. There's far more to stories than just the ending to plots and there's much more to care for in games than story.
>>14886445
>since the story is the sole draw
You're a massive pleb then.
t. /lit/-fag
0a3787 No.14897144
My memory is god awful. So if I wanted to recapture the feeling of experiencing the twist/spoiler for the first time all I have to do is move the game down my backlog list a couple of months. Usually 8 months or so does the trick. I also need to keep a list of books/games/anime/manga that I've gone over so I don't forgot aboout them. Even when some crucial twist is spoiled for me I don't mind to much, games are about the journey as many anons have already said.
7deb33 No.14897189
If a game kind of important to me, like Dark Souls 3 or some of the Telltale games was to come out and I couldn't get it on release, I would just avoid /v/ altogether.
On the other hand, back when AssCreeds were coming out on consoles months before PC, I would just watch the endings as soon as possible and still buy and enjoy those games.
36c81a No.14897540
I has never really cared about the story in vidya, it's the weakest media for conveying a coherent story unless the dev removes player agency turning it into a movie.
That said in the very few cases I have played a game and been impressed by the story it isn't normally the kind of story that can be spoiled. I never find myself playing a game to find out some story element, I'm always playing because the gameplay itself is enjoyable.
a3195f No.14898280
>>14886416
>That third image
>How to make a vidya girl as unappealing as a normalfag woman.jpg
08e51d No.14898598
>>14885807
Most of the time spoilers get me interested in a game/series
If I know the twist then I wanna know how it got to that point and the build up etc
Also if the GAME is actually good you can put up with bad story, not vice versa.
13474a No.14906171
>>14885807
>caring about anything other than gameplay
No.
cada88 No.14910930
Spoilers ruing puzzle games or games with puzzle elements. If the game has a baked-in story driven by cutscenes and voiced dialogue, then you're asking if spoilers ruin a story for you. And that depends on the story. If the story is like a puzzle game, driven by reveals and shit like that, then yeah spoilers lessen the impact. But not every story relies on shock value of revealing something suprising. Those stories you can watch/read/play multiple times and they're still good.
9df0d0 No.14911002
>>14897106
Knowing the twist, or how it ends can put things in new light for a second playthrough. For instance in the Legacy of Kain series, knowing that Raziel is the spirit inhabiting the Reaver explains why the Reaver broke when Kain tried to hit him with it, or why he was the only being that had true free will.
1d95d1 No.14911069
Not in the slightest, though I've always been the kind of person to flip to the last chapter in a book and read that before starting it. It makes it more interesting to see the threads come together as you figure out how things got from point A to Z - and I have no problems replaying games I've already beaten to enjoy the story again, even if I know all the twists and turns. In those cases, I'm less distracted by trying to follow the main plot, and can pay much closer attention to the smaller details.
The only time I don't like spoilers is when I'm playing an RPG where I can actually make my own choices, and has a system robust enough to make those choices meaningful. If I know what a scenario holds, especially it's repercussions on future quests or rewards for various outcomes, I'm more likely to try to maximize positive outcomes as a numbers game and throw roleplaying out the window. It's more fun to make choices based on what you would do if you're that character in that situation, and end up screwing the pooch and have to get inventive on how you deal with the possible repercussions.
I wonder if that's part of why I have little to no interest in TV or Movies and would rather just play games? Aside from most of them being complete shit these days. There's a layer of abstraction and imagination that comes with books and (especially older) games - but television and movies are just linear rides start to finish with almost no engagement and that you just passively consume with very little thought or effort at best.
3f528a No.14911117
Only puzzle spoilers bother me. I avoid them like the plague. I want to be able to solve puzzles on my own without already knowing the answer beforehand. It makes me feel intelligent when I figure out the answer myself.
Story spoilers don't bother me on the other hand. I played Personas 3, 4, & 5 and knew Exactly who was gonna betray me. It didn't ruin how fun these games were.
1d95d1 No.14911118
>>14896470
> it's the fact that if you have something spoiled it robs you of the initial moment that I want to experience for myself directly. It's something no one can give you back
You sound like a whiny fucking rape victim crying because it won't be your dream husband popping your cherry.
afbaa8 No.14923901
>>14906171
>implying story and atomsphere don't matter as much
e8622a No.14923939
>>14923901
They don't. Gameplay is the most important aspect of a video game.
13474a No.14930734
>>14911117
>Only puzzle spoilers bother me. I avoid them like the plague. I want to be able to solve puzzles on my own without already knowing the answer beforehand. It makes me feel intelligent when I figure out the answer myself.
This.