7eea9c No.14841927
I like the idea of prestige classes, when you go from just being a Fighter to a Knight or a Paladin. I think its a cool thing that more games should do, even better if they have a huge tree of different classes to choose. Light Rpg's tend to do this more often but I know some tabletop games have this sort of system in it too.
Lets post games with some form of prestige classes or whatever you may call it.
6ec432 No.14841955
>>14841927
Time Mage being the shittiest edit needs a fucking punch in the face.
43cd41 No.14841957
>>14841927
>pic 1
Sit down and lets have a talk about why its unrealistic for women to be wearing that kind of armor.
7eea9c No.14841962
>>14841955 (nice dubs)
what? I didn't know my image was edited.
18bd79 No.14841964
>>14841957
i think titillation was a greater concern than realism.
20070c No.14841969
>>14841957
It's really not unrealistic, the get-ups have a specific purpose.
43cd41 No.14841971
>>14841927
Chronicles Valeria, a Japanese-only romhack for the SNES version of Tactics ogre, got a lot of classes and promotion classes.
6ec432 No.14841975
>>14841957
It's fantasy, provides better mobility and it can even have magical protection if the creator wants to.
Shut the fuck up.
>>14841962
Time Mage was already cute and sexy and for no reason they butchered her beautifully hanging long hair, only took away most of the lower clothes instead of "tittyfying" like the other girls while keeping the whole outfit. It's fucking mega shit.
6662ee No.14841978
>>14841957
It's unrealistic for women to be wearing any kind of armor. Now that's out of the way, rolling >>14841927
>>14841962
There's a number roll version of the first picture as well.
d76152 No.14841983
>>14841968
>Sorcerer is a prestige class of a wizard
What?
>Rogue is just a more advance archer
who made this?
>Druid is the same thing as a Cleric.
>Paladin is not part of swordsman classes
All of my fucking hate!
c03978 No.14841994
I think rather than classical prestige classes, there's something special about unlocking advanced aspects of your class based on meeting certain conditions. For example, in a rogue-lite called Tales of Maj'eyal (it's lite because it has no food management and other more classical features of a roguelike), the necromancer class can be a vastly underwhelming class if you choose to play it as a mediocre spellcaster rather than a classic summoner. However the class points you save up can be used to invest into a skill called lichdom which does nothing except absorb your mana pool while sustained when you're alive. If you invested enough points into the skill (with a maximum level of 7 effective levels) and then proceed to die while the skill is active and you're not already an undead, you come back as a lich and gain access to the starfall spell tree, which arguably is one of the more powerful dark magic trees. Of course you also gain massive amounts of immunity and not needing to breath anymore which comes with the being undead territory.
This playstyle is significant because you'll be investing 8 out of 28 available skill points into a skill tree that doesn't grant immediate benefit as well as 1 out of 2 category points if you failed to find an item that boosts the lichdom tree's mastery but once you turned into a lich, it's power liching time.
b44a95 No.14842006
>>14841957
Here's a (You), thanks for an excuse to roll.
2ef0bb No.14842008
>>14841927
I'd stab that wizard and geomancer with my dagger if you know what I'm sayin
83ab4a No.14842015
>>14841983
The biggest problem there is that there are ranks, so say, if you want to play a Paladin, you'll have to play Cleric before it, then you have the option to change into Priest, or Krivis, then the option to change into Bokor or Dievditbys, and only then Paladin.
But then the dealbreaker is, once you go up two ranks as a Paladin, you're forced to change classes again, to Plague Doctor or Kabbalist, both mostly unrelated to Paladin. So no matter what class you prefer, if it's not on the later tanks you're bound to have to abandon it for the higher ranked ones, since they're objectively stronger.
e80738 No.14842028
>>14841957
But women aren't strong enough for full armor?
c03978 No.14842031
>>14842028
If women dressed up in full armor like men, they be beaten up like men.
3cfb03 No.14842052
>>14841968
>Kabbalist.
Do you get extra money or what? What's the point of Jew Magic.
96c4d4 No.14842067
>>14841957
magic makes everything possible and armor worthless outside of the enchantments on it and the quality of metal it uses that enhances that effect, which is why metal like Mythril is usually ranked higher then Steel, with real world metals like Platinum usually having a mystic lore behind it because meteors and stars or something.
tl;dr impracticality doesn't matter in a
VIDEO GAME
ya fag.
e80738 No.14842069
>>14842052
Blood rituals and sacrificing the goyim to keep high vitality.
3cfb03 No.14842070
>>14842069
Would Mark play that?
83ab4a No.14842077
>>14842052
https://www.tosbase.com/game/classes/Kabbalist/
That's why this game hurts.
The classes and skills are actually pretty cool and singular.
Too bad the game is a questfest with braindead enemies that just stand there and die on a few hits anyways and the classes become obsolete once you reach the next ranks.
e80738 No.14842079
>>14842070
Is he even allowed to talk with powerful jews and not just his family?
81ea82 No.14842085
>>14841927
>(((merchant)))
>>14841968
>(((kabbalist)))
>>14842067
I always wanted to make a majority female RPG where armour is obsoleted by magic gems that project force fields, so that they're always ready for handholding or caressing your head lying on her tummy.
>>14842052
You tax them.
b7de0b No.14842090
>>14841927
Give me something good!
Plus i agree with you! Part of the reason why i love Neverwinter Nights 2. It's sucks how its a rare thing…
b7de0b No.14842097
>>14842090
Time to brew some fortify skill potions for maximum effect!
3cfb03 No.14842105
Also reminder that magic is fucking bullshit beyond "Shoot elements, heal yer lads and summon skellebros." If you go somewhere else, it becomes Mary Sue tier and makes everyone else unviable.
c03978 No.14842113
>>14842105
What about being a demon enchanter/smith that rips the souls out of monsters and uses said souls to augment gear and summon said monsters like a fucking pokemon at the cost of temporarily losing said augment benefit while the monster summon is active?
a5f933 No.14842114
>>14842105
>S-stop learning all the good spells and magicks that I can't learn!
- t. Redmage.
3cfb03 No.14842122
>>14842114
I don't even play Wizard. I'm talking about lore stuff where wizards and mages become Gods because XD MAGICKZ!!1!!
That's why psychic powers > magic in every single way. Mind > muh spiritz.
924d8e No.14842124
>>14842105
>MAGIC BE DUMB UNLESS SHOOT PRETTY STUFF AND MAKE ME GUD
Shouldn't have used both WIS and INT as dump stats, faggot
3cfb03 No.14842137
>>14842124
>Implying shooting "Magic Missile" takes INT.
>Implying wisdom is a star when it should just be literally your experience.
Mage classes are for brainlets. Real 200 IQ lads such as myself go for warrior classes for full tactical strategy.
c03978 No.14842142
>>14842137
>full tactical strategy.
Don't you mean rogue?
43cd41 No.14842148
>>14842137
I like to think that magic is like coding but for rewriting reality.
3cfb03 No.14842153
>>14842142
I meant Sargeant/Commander/whatever you call it.
Rogue is just le epin DEX backstabbing.
INT shouldn't be a stat, It should be up to the player if he is dumb or smart and wether he does good strategy or not.
924d8e No.14842155
>>14842137
>I prefer strategy so naturally I'm going to use the class that just hits things with a sword and doesn't die
The only thing sadder than a dumb motherfucker is a dumb motherfucker who thinks he's smart.
3cfb03 No.14842156
>>14842148
>le epyc magic h4x0rs
Tsuki is that you?
96c4d4 No.14842163
>>14842122
Psychic powers are just magic but with a different flavor and different rules.
b7de0b No.14842176
If you go with DEX and not be a Swashbuckler, then you literally belong on the cross!
c03978 No.14842181
>>14842153
>Rogue is just le epin DEX backstabbing.
>he doesn't know about the tinker rogue that specializes in arranging accidents with traps.
bdab59 No.14842195
>>14842155
What you said can be applied to every class except Healer, because his friends whose cocks he sucks do it, or Summoner, because his skellebros do it.
I mean, fuck, RPGs are pretty braindead if you think about it. They only reach depth when you are a leader taking controll of big ammount of players.
>>14842163
I know, it's magic without the bullshit part.
43cd41 No.14842201
>>14842195
>I know, it's magic without the bullshit part.
Its all bullshit. At least with magic you can set up rules and consistencies, even though there is no power ceiling.
bdab59 No.14842202
>>14842181
>Arranging traps is strategic mastery.
>Fuck military commanders, they are brainlet tier, right?
2b819f No.14842215
>>14842176
>Hr doesn't minmax a Dex/Int build for a Rogue Swashbuckler
>he doesn't take the Daring outlaw feat to allow himself to gain sneak attack dice from Swashbuckler levels
>he doesn't take the bare minimum rogue levels and then go full Swashbuckler for the Full BAB progression
>he doesn't add in Assassin levels for the Hide In plain sight feat
>he doesn't play a terrifying combo of an invisible sneak attacker that also has lots of skills and some minor spells that scale off Int
26e861 No.14842218
>>14841927
I liked FF Tactics and what I saw of Bravely Default, where you get:
> Abilities of current job
> Items/Abilities of a second job you already learned
> Reaction to getting hit from any job
> Passive Ability from any job
You get fun shit like dual-wielding two-handed blades, or break the game entirely if you work hard at it.
96c4d4 No.14842219
>>14842195
it's magic where your head explodes if you overuse it unlike magic where your soul can just die
face it, it's the same shit. You probably specifically have an idea of how magic rules go but they vary from game to game, take issue with that game instead of demeaning a concept that can be used anywhere.
bdab59 No.14842223
>>14842201
Psychic powers are the ones with rules though, nigger. Using them costs stamina and sanity loss, they are considered forcefields like magnets are, so you can use actual technology to counter it or even profit of off the enemy. Also, you don't need to spew nonsense like in magic, where you have to say words for stuff to happen. It also has a ceilling so it's not OP, and is actually dependant on intelligence and brainpower.
b7de0b No.14842238
>>14842215
>He fall for my bluff skills
96c4d4 No.14842241
>>14842223
It has a ceiling only if the indivdiual game it resides in HAS a ceiling, there's nothing stopping someone from becoming a psychic mind that can mind control the entire world if the game itself allows it. You're shitting on a concept, not the game.
THE GAME YOU PLAY
determines what psychic power and magic is, you can't be this fucking retarded.
2b819f No.14842248
>>14842238
Fucking bards
Glibness spell OP pls fix
c03978 No.14842255
>>14842202
>He doesn't know wartime strategies are layers of traps upon traps
>He doesn't know about the layers of deception needed to pull off a strategic victory which cost less over a victory in arms
Meanwhile you have the commander brainlet, who's in charge of buffing his men and intimidating the enemies. Case in point, shepard was a retard at best.
924d8e No.14842257
>>14842223
>Psychic powers are the ones with rules though, nigger.
You do realize both psychic powers and magic are fictional things right? They are both going to be working off the rules that the writer imposes for them.
d76152 No.14842261
>>14842015
>You gain the ability to tank, then lose it after progressing further on.
How does that even work? That just seems fucked that you basically have to completely recharge your play style every few levels.
6f27d6 No.14842266
>>14842257
I don't know why but I feel like suddenly bringing up real life is arbitrary
6f27d6 No.14842267
>>14842261
>How does that even work?
Exactly like you said.
b7de0b No.14842269
>>14842248
It's still better than 3.5 monk…
924d8e No.14842286
>>14842266
Well since both things don't exist IRL then the writer is going to invent something that resembles them in the story. You can't say that this works with rules but magic is whatever the fuck and doesn't make sense. I could say that psychic powers are bullshit and magic is legit for the exact same reasons he did but with words exchanged and we're both going to be right because fuck you we're talking about shit that we're making up on the spot anyway.
2b819f No.14842287
>>14842269
Yeah, it's supposed to be an antimagic warrior in a setting where magic is OP
Monk just needs to be given a feat which burns stunning fist charges to dispel magic, an antimagic field of some sort and Spell resistance earlier in their career.
bdab59 No.14842295
>>14842255
Beat me at Stratego, fag. It's more about bluffing than trapping.
c03978 No.14842356
>>14842295
>Implying bluffing isn't part of trapping altogether.
You do realize there's more than a few historic battle was won decisively because the opponent thought there was a bluff at play and called it which resulted in his committed forces getting massively rolled over? Of course tactics like that can't quite work anymore today due to the advancement of telecommunication.
>Stratego
A game that only encompasses a pitched battle already determined to happen? You have much to learn about strategy altogether if that's your scope. Hint: US supremacy in the last few decades isn't just because they have a nuclear arsenal or the biggest fleets. They started and prevented wars at their whim so that no other country can even touch them economically or militarily. Of course that no longer applies post 9/11 since we're no longer fighting conventional wars
2cdad2 No.14842365
>>14841957
> to be wearing that kind of armor.
What a armor? They just wearing random cloth from garbage bin.
4a294c No.14842386
>>14842261
He's lying, that's not how it works.
In tree of Savior you have subclasses.
You pick three or four of them and use all their abilities.
You pick the classes you want for the most synergy. So, if you're a priest, and you want to go monk, you pick krivis and zealot because they go very well with monks bread and butter abilities.
You don't change your playstyle, you just enhance it. Unless you're playing Cleric and you don't have full access to your kit until max level. It's a pretty good system.
81ea82 No.14842394
>>14842223
>this broad concept is more defined than that broad concept
6f27d6 No.14842412
>>14842386
>Pick a spell form one of the earlier classes
>It deals around 100 damage
>Pick a spell form one of the latter classes
>Its dealing 1000 damage for some reason
>Check why
>Scaling on damage spells form earlier classes is objectively worse
>Support classes like Linker are objectively better than DPS classes like Pyromacner because their skills scale beyond the level range of the class unlocks.
>YOU CAN STILL TECHNICALLY USE ABILITIES FORM DPS CLASSES THOUGH SO >>14842015 IS LYING
16d283 No.14842422
>>14841968
>Tree of Savior
So much potential buried under korean jewery
4a294c No.14842432
>>14842412
>He isn't using his early classes for buffs.
?
be3ad0 No.14842469
>>14842422
>potential
What the fuck are you talking about the gameplay was complete garbage from the start because the gooks only made mobile games.
6f27d6 No.14842471
>>14842432
>Check ID
>Its the same person that posted >>14842386
Oh great I'm being trolled
9b44a0 No.14842481
>>14842432
>I don't want to play as another class, I want to play as this one class but I can't because it's completely outclassed
<no it isn't you only use their buffs
Does this seem like what they wanted in any way or form? To have to play as another class and use their skills, except they just get to use their old class' buffs?
e5f2a3 No.14842482
>>14841968
Could've been something special if those gooks could stop rubbing their hands together for 3 seconds
489cc3 No.14842490
>ctrl+f muscle wizard
>0 results
a59b97 No.14842496
>>14841968
So how much of the game actually lets you play how you want, and how much of the game goes "Nah, fuck you. Pick only this, this, and this for your combination, or you're screwed."
5b38c1 No.14842508
>>14842469
Instead of open world like it's predecessor Ragnarok Online it was a straight linear quest grinder. Doesn't matter tht the class system was good, it was boring as hell to just run through a straight line only going backwards and arond for quests.
23a2b2 No.14842530
>>14842496
900% of it. There's a ton of trap classes and progression is extremely gated.
83ab4a No.14842536
>>14842469
The combat, visuals, skills and class mechanics were all great.
But they would only work if the game was actually open ended with the progress revolving around killing monsters and traversing trough dangerous maps to find one quere you could thrive the best.
Instead we got linear maps, linear queslines and linear class trees. None of all that shit matters, you just follow the golden brick road and you'll plow trough everything with quest gear and EXP by the time you reach it.
>>14842496
You have a lot of control on how your build your character, actually. Some builds clearly outclass others, but you can get creative and mix up your jobs. Still, if you don't use an skill tree planner its very likely your build will be broken with redundant shit.
On freedom on what you do? You're pretty much stuck to the main questline and instanced dungeons for grinding. The game does have some areas that seem like a reminiscent of what the game was supposed to be(a-la Trickster Online's haunted school that remained unchanged when they turned the game into linear questline fest) without quests that you can just optinally grind some monsters for some exp and do some puzzles and shit for some hats or stuff like that, but it's still pretty bad.
b7de0b No.14842568
>>14842490
Don't let me hang on! Details!
eb9519 No.14842602
I wish most games just made monks a ragnarok thing, buffing yourself up and go super saiyan with supportive buffs and self healing. Powering up auras to absorb into mana.
I dont understand why most games do a boring job of em, which mostly consist of them being a gimmicky dps with high dodge rates and punching.
2ce8ec No.14842615
>>14841957
but bitches be wearing that kind of clothes all the time IRL
96c4d4 No.14842645
>>14842490
Muscle wizards are called monks. Ki is literally muscle power that warps reality crossed with finding your personal spiritual Deus Vult.
Most builds center around Monk at 15 and Wizard at 5, so you're more MUSCLES with wizard rather then muscle wizard.
There's a trait in 3rd edition D&D called Lost Tradition that allows you to switch your casting stat to whatever stat you want, which means you can make a true muscle wizard that literally warps reality with his muscles via punching air and flexing.
For some reason this trait was either passed over and removed in later editions, because multiclassing is supposed to be uncool for some reason what a fucking dumb reason to remove a trait
I reccomend that you add Lost Tradition to your house rule list in order to actually make your games interesting, Because most spellcasting classes were designed off of one stat per spell casting class bar strength or dex, that usually don't overlap, most tabletops suck without something like this.
a5d0ce No.14842681
>>14841927
How many anons are like me and prefer their women with armor rather than looking like a whore? Also, what's the difference between a mage, wizard, and sorcerer?
fd7541 No.14842749
>>14842681
>How many anons are like me and prefer their women with armor rather than looking like a whore?
Just you.
6f27d6 No.14842752
>>14842568
>Doesn't know about the wizard
>Caprio_doing_caprio_things.gif
Its rare to see tumblr around here. Did kick you out?
598f6f No.14842781
>>14842490
Muscle wizards only work in games that have no classes or where your starting class only determines what items and skills you start with and let you unlock any skills you want afterward. Off the top of my head elona and dungeon crawl stone soup let you wear heavy armour, punch things, and cast spells as long as you train the right skills and stats.
>>14842681
Actually, this girl is from the same game
>mage
Shorthand for magus or magician. It could imply just a run of the mill magic user or someone who dabbles in the occult like Crowley
>wizard
Usually focused on studying in their tower and the pursuit of magical knowledge. Could also include typical witchcraft things like potion making.
>sorcerer
Almost always implies that sorcery is powerful/more powerful than regular magic. In many settings sorcerers are rare.
96c4d4 No.14842790
>>14842681
Mage is a general term for a magic user or a word for an amateur magic user, it depends on the context. "That man and his mages are ravaging the country" can mean an assortment of magic users or a group of them of the same discipline.
A Wizard is a practiced mage who learns via study, the basic and most respectable type of mage. They carry around books and magical items they crafted and channel magic through more then themselves, like through a staff or wand, though they are still capable without them.
A Sorceror is a mage given power via their bloodline, so like a dragon split their mom or grandmom in half with their bus-sized dicks or more likely used shapeshifting magic to consort with humans and thus they get a power boost. Being called a Sorceror tends to be a mild insult because it's the same as calling someone new money, they didn't work for shit and somewhere down the family line somebody was getting raped by Cthulhu.
on that note Warlocks are mages that serve or deal with demons or other beings for power and have none of their own. Warlock is a worse word to call a mage then Sorcerer, because they willingly leech off of others for power and tend to be a demon's bitch, literally and sexually in some cases.
6f27d6 No.14842812
>>14842790
>fantasy is so generic that this can end up being correct on most counts
affdf4 No.14842824
Dragon Quest IX (and I think some other dragon quests do it too)
Fire Emblem
pretty sure Xenonlade X did it but I never played it
d76152 No.14842831
>>14842781
>>14842490
Sacred Fist for 3.5 if you want some fisting done right, since it gives a full base attack, but its divine casting. Enlightened Fist if you want to mix with arcane, but is much shittier since its "mid" or "medium" 3/4 base attack.
>>14842812
>Kiki
I would bodyguard for her.
d76152 No.14842861
>Never Winter Nights 2 only had a handful of prestige classes.
>They had the ones I cared about.
Granted the nerfed the fuck out of some of them.
489cc3 No.14842929
>>14842645
>Muscle wizards are called monks
<muh esoteric energy
<needing the approval of some pansy ass god to lariat a cyclops into the dirt and turn silly robeshitters into fence posts
It's like you don't even want to have bitches cream themselves at the sight of your iron fookin' quads, you memespacing twat.
Don't reply to me or my wifes posts ever again.
>>14842831
See the above.
d946bb No.14842944
Is there any good singular word for all the Fallen Paladin style of classes? Dark Knight/Death Knight/Black Guard/Antipaladin all generally refer to the same thing, but all the terms are setting dependent. I can't think of any good word to use that would encompass everything but also sounds slightly generic.
d76152 No.14842975
>>14842929
Well then just go wizard/fighter Eldritch Knight and abjurant champion then, and just punch things with the superior unarmed strike feat.
>Every DM I ever showed Eldritch Knight claimed it was broken.
>Its one of the original prestige classes of 3.5.
000000 No.14842981
Rolling for the job triangle.
Prestige classes are pretty cool, but the best classes are always the special classes given by story events that only a handful of characters or even just one can get.
96c4d4 No.14842998
>>14842944
you're gonna have to make one, the only order of black knights I know of are the Knights Hospitaller, but they were practically the opposite of an evil knight at least in concept since their original stated goal was to protect a hospital for pilgrams, they protected people on the way to holy lands.
There's an old insult that's catchy, Blackguard, which is a more general insult indicating a person who acts in a dishonorable and/or contemptous manner. Blackguard's probably the closest thing in the english language to a fallen knight. It's more catchy and much, MUCH more fitting then Hospitaller anyway.
b559ab No.14843002
>>14842944
gayest class ever, edgy paladins? give me a fucking break not even 12 year old kids would enjoy it
816fcc No.14843020
Wizardry games and some dungeon crawlers like Elminage sort of had this where you can start a character off as a warrior or mage and change their classes to something more advanced way later on such as a paladin or bishop. Of course, with the right stat rolls at the beginning you can start off as an advanced class if you don't mind dealing with leveling that character up slowly.
A PC game called Wizards and Warriors similar to Wizardry games had this where one of your characters can become a special class if they do certain quests. For example, if you help kill a lich to end his suffering with a female character they can become a Valkyrie. If you turn in four sacred tomes to a certain character then they can become a Zenmaster which is like an upgraded monk combined with a mage.
fd7541 No.14843023
>>14843002
>Can't play a good guy because it is "unoriginal"
>Can't play an evil guy because it is "edgy"
>Can't play a neutral guy because it is a "cop out"
96c4d4 No.14843026
>>14843002
There's nothing inherently edgy about darkness powers, you just can't see shit is all and things are cold. Hell, healing magic is practically blood magic anyway, one just doesn't try to cover it up with all that funny lightshow bullshit, be more practical and actually protect people instead of grandstanding you fop ass paladin.
Come the fuck on, stop sucking the bard's dick and actually do your fucking job.
d76152 No.14843027
>>14842944
Its called Barbarian.
96c4d4 No.14843033
>>14843027
>Ha ha I get mad and hit things hard
CAN YOU SET A MAN ON FIRE WITH BLACK FLAME AND FLAY HIS INTESTINES WITH A SINGLE WORD
NO
YOU ART A BITCH THEN
COME AT ME, THY FORNICATOR OF MEN
fd7541 No.14843040
>>14843033
My 19 barbarian 1 hexblade can.
1613e9 No.14843043
>>14843027
You're fucking retarded. For one thing, you post the shitty version of the barbarian(mindless brute who has no cunning, no right to rule, etc.) Then, you get that shitty barbarian mixed up with the concept of the black knight.
96c4d4 No.14843056
>>14843040
So you're only 19/20th of a man, and 1/20th of a complete pussy?
MEN OF THE BLACK GUARD HAVE NO TIME FOR COMPLETE AND UTTER FOPS WHO CANNOT COMMIT TO THEIR ART
SEND THYSELF TO THE ABYSS WITH A SWORD TO THINE NECK
YOU ART A SHAME TO YOUR RACE OF BOTTOMFEEDING GARBAGE
BEGONE FOOL THING, TO HELL WITH YOU
7eea9c No.14843058
>>14842944
you know the word paladin apparently has its roots in the word Palatine which was a latin word for commander, perhaps one could find another old latin word and change it slightly? no idea if the roman empire had any dark knights though, I know the byzantine had the varangian guard but I am not sure if that counts.
d76152 No.14843140
>>14843043
Barbarians have always been the polar opposite of paladins. Chaotic, undisciplined, but raw strength that belongs to no one else but them. They don't need to ask some god for permission, they take what they want.
>>14843033
>CAN YOU SET A MAN ON FIRE WITH BLACK FLAME AND FLAY HIS INTESTINES WITH A SINGLE WORD
Wheres the fun in that? Flame can't be fire and black!
96c4d4 No.14843168
>>14843140
FORNICATE THEE
WE MAKE IT BURN BLACK WITH OUR GOD-DAMNED WILLS
IF YOU CANNOT BEND EVEN FIRE TO YOUR WILL YOU ARE A FOP AND WILL BE DISCARDED
GET THEE SKILL IN THE ARTS OF MAGICK AND COMBAT
ONLY THOSE WITH DRIVE MAY MAKE THEIR OWN FUN BY FORNICATING REALITY TO THEIR WILL
2bc533 No.14843189
>>14841957
You're the one who called it armor, anon :^)
rollin'
1613e9 No.14843246
>>14843140
Barbarians were not undisciplined you fucking wretch. The concept of the savage barbarian comes entirely from shitty fantasy and the Greco-Romans.
bdab59 No.14843316
>>14843140
Anon, barbarians where just Nords. Don't mix them up with Mongolian raiders and cavemen. They had things like money, religion and culture.
c976a7 No.14843331
>>14841994
ToME is awesome for classes, but it all boils down to playing a Skeleton Archer or Gunslinger.
d76152 No.14843335
>>14843246
Fine, its Huns now. Ambushes, sneak attacks, and hit and run tactics on horse back for everyone.
>>14843316
Too bad they where illiterate. Apparently an actual class trait in 3.5.
7c29b3 No.14843341
>>14843027
Why is her ass red?
4e5a42 No.14843353
bdab59 No.14843354
>>14843335
>illiterate
>What are Nord runes?
How dumb are you in a scale from 0 to 10?
24c097 No.14843361
>>14841957
its unrealistic that women would be wearing armor in the first place. however, if they did, this would be the ideal armor for them. as such, while it is unrealistic for women to wear armor in general, if they did, they would wear this kind of armor. so what that means, is that this would be the right type of armor for a woman to wear (if they wore it). so this means that this is the right type of armor for a women if she was wearing armor (which she is).
d76152 No.14843363
>>14843354
That what it says in the player manual. I didn't write it.
f1afe7 No.14843372
>>14841927
What's the worst that could happen? Let's roll.
b7de0b No.14843386
>>14843372
>What's the worst that could happen? Let's roll.
>Tinker
>Thinker
09c80a No.14843468
489cc3 No.14843509
>>14843341
That's what's gonna happen if you mistake the wine-skull for the skull-shaped cookie jar.
d2da44 No.14844471
Are there any action RPGs that do prestige right.
When I think of prestige I think of adding more variety of options to playstyles. When I design paper games from scratch I usually go with 3-5 basic classes that losely cover one or two roles.
Thought this for a Phantasy Star inspired game long ago where there's three "role types". Basic class has one role each: Hunter (S) for melee which is early defending, Ranger (R) for Guns which is your early flanker, and Force (T) for Technics which is early artillery. Then the next tier adds one more type to mix and match roles. Pure roles are Fighter (S+S) which has AoE melee, Soldier (R+R) which is has long and mid range fighting, and Techer(T+T) which has focused and AoE artillery. Mixed roles being Brave (S+R) an evade and kill, Bouncer (S+T) an agile defender, and Agent (R+T) a stealth class for scouting and assassination. Then the final tiers of classes combines three slots. Pure classes are Blademaster (S+S+S) who can literally juggle laser buster swords, Gunslinger (R+R+R) who can carry an army's worth of guns, and Esper (T+T+T), which is space Gandolf. I think I had a General class from the start which is (S+R+T) but I forgot what it did. And I can't remember the rest of the combinations.
Also this is not PSO2 so players have to use more cooperation. Enemies will react and respond to you as an intelligent group and will give orders as such. So I introduced some concepts like defenders "intercepting", where a defender gets between an enemy or group and holds them off. Hunters and Fighters with big enough weapons can hold their ground staying close to friends but can usually move as fast as they can run. However the Bouncer with jet boots can quickly intercept quick glass assassins trying to murder your squishy forces and agents. As for snipers that'll pick off your forces, you will need an agent to sneak behind them and quickly dispatch them with a mechpistol or put them to sleep and push them off the perch while a Ranger or Soldier provide cover fire. Braves switch betwee flanks and back lines but they're never direct defenders or goddamn Leeroys. Forces usually stay in back lines. Though some force classes later on will have techs and passives that make them formidable close range as a hunter.
c1d2f9 No.14844564
They are more like opposites, but in-game they work as class-to-prestige class: Cecil becoming a Paladin in FF 4 was a great moment. Both for gameplay and for story as well.
aa1604 No.14847762
Why are they all sameface girls?
What is fucking wrong with you?
bc330d No.14847921
>>14844471
>artillery
>focused
There's no such thing as overkill.
e987a2 No.14847962
>>14847762
>Why are they all sameface girls?
PSX limitations.
>What is fucking wrong with you?
Why are you so new?
d2da44 No.14848021
>>14847921
Focused means prioritizing a single target or smaller area. This isn't MMO logic where you have 100 people fighting a boss and you gave to nuke everything with expendable lives and abundant healers. This is a small party of 4-10 individuals taking on hoards of 20 to 1000 enemies at once. Prioritizing targets who will otherwise wipe your party is the priority.
As for the idea of jobs. I like it where roles are simple at first. Then as levels get more complex your build options become more sandbox. As you get more team members you will need more variety with your team's specializations with a few versatile characters incase SHTF. Depending on your difficulty setting you can go for sandbox fun or hardcore min/max everything.
142124 No.14848050
PSO2 sometime during EP1~2 had this going on for it.
Hunter > Fighter
Force > Techer
Ranger > Gunner
And they weren't direct upgrades either, they were actually classes that required more effort to use to put out better damage than base classes.
Then Sega made them into regular classes that you can use from get go.
And then Sega made new advanced class called Hero that is actually super powered fucking class that is no point in switching from once you've unlocked it.
bd2702 No.14848219
>>14842681
>mage, wizard, and sorcerer
Mages are people who use magic.
Wizards are mages of the 12th Level.
Sorcerer is jut another word to call a mage.
bd2702 No.14848235
>>14843027
>>14843140
You dumb nigger, Conan - the Barbarian archetype - was not dumb. He was quite intelligent, and very skilled at fighting. He didn't wear a lot of armor because he was also a thief - someone who broke into ruins and towers to acquire women, treasure, and other important things. When he actually expected a major battle, he'd put that shit on and fight just as disciplined as anyone else. The modern concept of the 'dumb, rampaging Barbarian' has no basis outside of people who don't understand either history or classic weird fiction.
e0e249 No.14848456
>>14841927
>when you go from just being a Fighter to a Knight or a Paladin.
This is stupid. People were born as Knights not became one.
>inb4 knighted
Most inherited title. Pleb should stay pleb, gentlemen should be gentlemen, class mobility should stay in the 20th century.
e0e249 No.14848469
>>14848235
> Conan - the Barbarian archetype
Conan no way is Barbarian archetype. He is sort of Aragon. Barbarian King in the making.
82c6fe No.14849074
>>14848456
Make the shite beggining class a Squire, so getting Knighted can make sense.
f23934 No.14850169
>>14841927
>prestige classes
I see that as specialist classes; so dump all the point in a particular skill-set and equipment. No need for complicated classes.
2fb4b6 No.14850230
>>14848456
Knighthood is not and never was hereditary. No one is born a knight. Not even nobility.
42e1db No.14850241
>>14850230
Youre thinking about being a men at arms.
Knight was a title.
aff58a No.14850264
96ba1a No.14850267
The fuck is a "prestige" class, OP? Do you simply mean branching progression?
2fb4b6 No.14850278
>>14850241
>Knight was a title.
Yes. A non-hereditary title. Whatever else the son of a knight inherits, he does not inherit the title of knighthood. He must earn that by serving as a page, squire, etc., and then be knighted as his father was.
At no point in time and in no region in Europe, to my knowledge, was knighthood ever directly inherited. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but it's nothing I ever heard of and I'd legitimately be very interested into reading an account of a person born with inherent knighthood. A person is always knighted, not born a knight.
262f03 No.14850358
>pic related
This shit shouldn't have so many unnecessary options. It only has about 6 good options that specialize well in something, but they're surrounded by a shit ton of "jack of all trades" options.
>Warrior: the highest tier Fighter
>Thief: the highest tier Rogue
>Wizard: the highest tier Mage
>Duelist: the highest tier hybrid of Fighter/Thief
>Alchemist: the highest tier hybrid of Thief/Mage
>Death Knight: the highest tier hybrid of Fighter/Mage
<no highest tier hybrid of all three
<the middlest option (Bard) isn't particularly good at anything
bb4197 No.14850371
>>14850358
>having fun is unnecessary
f3c169 No.14850386
>>14850358
>highest-tier hybrid of hybrids
c0486f No.14850410
>>14850358
>Bard
>isn't particularity good at anything
Bards are overpowered as fuck.
2b819f No.14850427
>>14850358
Says you, a properly build bard is a Master of all spheres under the right conditions.
The best example being the Sublime Chord Battle Bard, a monster that scales off the Charisma stat.
Level 9 spells, spontaneously cast
17 BAB
Extremely high saves
Plenty of skill points to burn
f5c0d8 No.14850453
>>14850358
The closer to the middle you get, the less the class is focused on combat. For the central triangle, Warlord is a frontliner but more importantly the person organizing the charge, the Ninja is a designated assassin but also a spy and trapper, the Arcane Archer is obviously a warrior but one who fights at a distance with deliberately chosen spells. The six classes forming a hexagon within those three are even more obviously detached,with roles like 'Diplomat' or 'Merchant'.
Also, rolling.
1613e9 No.14850495
>>14843316
Mongolians had money, religion and culture too. They have it even more so nowadays than the living Scandis. Barbarians weren't Scandis or Mongols anyway, they were Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns, Gauls and Germanics.
d9ef27 No.14850504
>>14850453
You realize that this would mean classes in the midway sections(Like Duelists for Fighter/Rogue) should also have low combat compatibility?
0ad19d No.14850533
>>14850358
You're a boring shit.
>Warrior - Specializes in skilled combat, manipulating opponents with ease in melee combat and conquering them just as well.
>Knight - A warrior who ceased his advancement to serve as a knight, gaining bonuses based on his loyalty and serving those he is sworn to.
>Berserker - A rage-based combatant who becomes stronger the greater his rage, built by taking or dealing damage.
>Dragoon - Specializes in charges, the dragoon uses spears and lances and is able to handle any combat mounts with ease.
>Sentinel -
>Dragon Knight - A wandering fighter whose dragon heritage is awakening, granting him dragon powers as he advances such as dragon claws and dragon breath.
>Dark Knight - An estranged member of an order of knights who specialize in draining life and magic essence out of their targets.
>Blade-singer - A lightly-armored fighter capable of possessing, animating, and controlling weapons. Fighting a blade-singer is fighting a horde of weapons.
>Paladin - Dedicated to a holy order, paladins strive to impose justice and destroy evil. Evil enemies fear the nigh-indestructible paladin.
>Death Knight - Often the body guard to a lich, death knights know necromancy and are capable of raising a retinue of long-dead heroes to accompany them in battle.
>Battlemage - Warriors who are skilled enough in magic, battlemages wield staves alongside their swords and deliver devastating attacks using both simultaneously.
>Cleric - A divine caster well-balanced for both combat and support roles, casting the all-valuable healing spell.
>Battle Priest - A cleric who has long-since abandoned a supportive role, a battle priest channels his divine powers into his holy weapon, granting him the power to protect the interests of his church.
>Druid - Drawing power from nature, druids become stronger when capable of channeling those powers, and may even shapeshift into dangerous creatures when threatened.
>Acolyte - Priest who supports those around her with powerful blessings that protect her allies while simultaneously casting divine powers.
>Theurge - A scholar who uses the divine powers invested in him to cast miracles instead of spells, a wildly varying ability that can easily turn the tide of a battle.
>Warlock - Warlocks specialize in spells that physically destroy their enemies, launching devastating fireballs and lightning bolts with impunity.
>Sorcerer - A caster who performs magic not through training, but through talent. The sorcerer is not as flexible or powerful as a wizard, but their natural talent allows them to manipulate magical items for greater effects.
>Wizard - The most balanced of all spellcasters, the wizard spends his whole life studying magic. He specializes in no magic but excels in them all.
That's just the strength-intelligence row. Death Knight isn't some master tier of fighter/mage and classes aren't just 3 stats that align for a singular effect.
0ad19d No.14850536
>>14850533
Fuck I skipped sentinel, sentinel sucks and shouldn't exist.
1613e9 No.14850543
>>14850504
Well yeah.
>A Duelist is someone who is good at dueling, ie: not a proper soldier, but someone who regularly studies dueling treatises
>Alchemists fuck around with metals and reagents
Only Death Knights buck the trend, but even then, one could say they're more reliant on fear than might. Aside from that, they all have lower combat capability than the pure classes.
e53e1c No.14850585
>>14841968
>Doppelsöldner
>literally double-mercenary
Why
d2da44 No.14850617
>>14850358
Someone should have enough autism to fill the trangles with cute girls. Sure. I'll roll.
4da25d No.14850624
>>14841957
You know you're the only one calling it armor and NOT anyone else.
d2da44 No.14850626
>>14850617
>Corsair
AAAARRRRGGHH!
41320f No.14850643
>>14850585
>using wikipedia as a source
but its pretty concise and faster than typing it myself
cc3635 No.14850648
>>14848235
This anon pretty much said what I was going to say,
>>14848469
but yes, "Conan" was a pretty smart guy, and "Conan" was pretty well disciplined. Not that you couldn't have such stand out example of human, but the Hyborian Age was pretty much known for its shittyness. Age of Conan starts you off as somebody's slave bitch, and exile you already being crossed full on Jesus style. Then you see some demon that sort of just shrugs at you because hes got better things to be doing, like eating some mother fuckers in the distance. Point is, everyone was a band of rapist, murders, and whores. Not that they couldn't be crafting and clever, but violent and brash, pretty damn likely. Place is pretty brutal.
cc3635 No.14850674
>>14850648
>Had the replys flipped.
On a side note, anyone ever tried Rage Mage. The more you rage, the stronger the spell.
d48803 No.14850710
c976a7 No.14850712
>>14850533
Or have a game without a specific class title that lets you pick and choose from all of those abilities?
e53e1c No.14850714
>>14850643
>It's really a term that exists
Oh wow, thanks for pointing it out.
4c19fe No.14850720
>>14841968
Don't get me started leveled a Fucking Swordsman/Peltasta 3/Rodelero 3/Murmillo before you could respect into it without the the pain of leveling one.
41320f No.14850734
>>14850720
hi dirtypenguin
4c19fe No.14850742
>>14850734
someone remembered me!
41320f No.14850753
>>14850742
I remember everyone and everything
262f03 No.14850786
>>14850533
I think of it more in terms of stat points than lore. If I had 100 points (and only 100) to spread out into three separate stats, I'd rather be a specialist than a mediocre generalist. I'll use three examples to explain. (The closer the stat number is to 100, the more Fighter-ish, more Rogue-ish, or more Mage-ish the class is.)
>Warrior (example of a highest tier Single class)
Fighter stat: 100
Rogue stat: 0
Mage stat: 0
>Death Knight (example of an evenly balanced Hybrid)
Fighter stat: 50
Rogue stat: 0
Mage stat: 50
>Bard (the "jack of all trades" example that tries to balance all Three)
Fighter stat: 34
Rogue stat: 33
Mage stat: 33
The more you try to branch out, the less adept you'll be anything in particular.
20cf93 No.14851147
07b7dc No.14851291
What about dedicated crafting classes with their prestige variants? I know ragnarok online had them but what other game also let you have a dedicated crafting class with skills built for them?
6c1d39 No.14852342
>>14850786
I always though Bards where "social" classes that gave morale boosts and was good with word, nothing of this.
7eea9c No.14855348
>>14851291
Final fantasy XIV kinda has them, you get these stones that make you "specialized" in that area of crafting. You however do not get any new fancy title, in fact its pretty much a stat boost as far as I know.
b7de0b No.14855390
>>14852342
Most of the tabletops let you turn your bard into a drugfilled riockstar lusting for blood and bitches… If you good at math then you literally can't miss with it.
000000 No.14856219
>>14850533
Dragoon and Dragon Knight are somewhat redundant here. Dragoon occasionally is the prestige class itself, as in FFXIV which has you start off as a Lancer and upgrade to a Dragoon. The Dragoon in FF Tactics Advance has dragon breath abilities built-in, the one in FFXI can call a pet wyvern, and Freya from FFIX has the Dragon skillset, which has some minor red magic but also includes dragoon-exclusive skills. Why write these descriptions out though? Are you planning on making a new job triangle?
834c09 No.14856235
>>14856219
In some games Dragoons are Dragon Hunters so Dragon Knight would be necessary
Or maybe Dragon Knights are the dragon hunters instead? YOU NEVER KNOW
64c129 No.14859608
99% of all prestige classes (and classes in general) are crap.
Prove me wrong.
301853 No.14859705
>>14842944
>Fallen Paladin
See: Penitent
3e1d5a No.14859728
>>14850267
How can you come to an RPG-themed thread without having ever played D&D, or even D&D vidya?
96ba1a No.14859759
>>14859728
Because I like games, not playing pretend with friends on 12-sided dice. D&D is garbage and so are all the Western games that autistically try to clone its mechanics that were never intended to hold up a in a game.
fb852c No.14859765
>>14859761
But we already did that
7eea9c No.14859795
File: 0c4eda7a398e928⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 895.17 KB, 1218x1500, 203:250, 0c4eda7a398e92815fe5eb4e2b….jpg)
03da8e No.14859801
>>14841957
You're a stupid nigger
rollan
12eefe No.14859805
574ab8 No.14859813
>>14859795
tough titty
>>14859805
good roll
3e1d5a No.14859816
>>14859759
>I hate the most famous example of RPGs that exists so much, I refuse to learn anything about it, even the basic terminology
>hey OP you sure are stupid for using this term that's clearly made up and not in common use anywhere
181a4d No.14859819
>>14859759
>were never intended to hold up a in a game
Lol what?
000000 No.14861120
>>14856235
Dragoons also vary between dragon hunters, knights who allied with dragons and gained their powers, or some combination of both. The FFXIV dragoon armor has spikes all over it to stop the dragons from eating them. That kind of armor also theoretically works well in melee, but we don't often see it used that way.
>>14859761
Rolling.
0a1361 No.14861287
I just want a game where I can nuke shit from three kilometers away with a bow.
388c12 No.14861288
2a5f90 No.14861605
>>14859819
Das rite fucko.
2ce8ec No.14861839
>>14859761
i want my own cute geomancer
5c3f53 No.14861909
>>14859761
Oracle has biggest tiddies, so I want Oracle
de7d5f No.14861939
8c718c No.14862163
>>14841957
The Dark Knight and Lancer are the only ones wearing armour.
efe75c No.14863476
>>14850533
>>Knight - A warrior who ceased his advancement
WUT?
This is why I hate classes. Most of them don't make any damn sense.
b0b44e No.14863501
81413a No.14863506
This thread reminds me, I still need to finish Bravely Default. It's hard when the entire second half of the game is such a fucking grind though.
f28cff No.14868716
e6a81e No.14868731
>>14863506
If you really want to, you can re-fight all the bosses through each cycle, and that will unlock more lore and shit about all these characters and all their backstories and how they totally weren't the bad guys you through they were.
Otherwise, you can skip through it til you get to the point where you can unlock the best job classes and gear and use that to auto-grind all job-classes and all characters to max level.
56588c No.14875626
>>14841957
All unrealistic armour is cancer. Dungeons and Dragons is cancer. Blizzard is cancer. TES is cancer. Anything except turbo-realism is cancer and anyone who disagrees with me needs to shove a a falx or doru up their ass. Or a pilum, take your pick.
ca3437 No.14875683
>>14850278
He's wrong, as you've said, you had to earn the title of Knight.
However, during later periods (XIII-XIVth century) in France and Germany, certain requirements were put in place, meaning that you had to be son or grandson of a knight to be eligible for the title.
Or that's what I vaguely remember. For more accurate info you gotta read March Bloch's Feudal Society Vol. II: Social Classes and Political Organization, it does a pretty good job of explaining the social status of knights, serjeants, and the like.
d4a747 No.14875690
>>14841957
oh my god how did you get so many (You)s anyone with half a brain could tell this was a joke
this board really is dead
e65cfb No.14875700
>>14859761
Remember when you would get punished for posting these?
bb4197 No.14875702
>>14842681
Japanese cartoon grills typically don't look like whores even in skimpy armor. They only look like whores if they happen to be evil too. Anyone can wear armor and look like a sexless twat. In fact a lack of armor only makes it easier to support a game because it means it's less likely sjws are fucking with it. Women shouldn't be on the battlefield at all in a game that gives a single damn about realistic armor. Women are just a liability.
e65cfb No.14875719
>>14875700
whoops, posted the wrong one, oh well, Towergirls works too, just gotta realize every girl is factors of 00-04 and onward.
a1dd76 No.14875740
>>14842645
>For some reason this trait was either passed over and removed in later editions
this is now /tg/ snipe thread.
Martial arts and monks had the biggest changes from eds. 3->3.5->4. And obviously psionics, but let's not go there.
Martial arts I can understand being changed, since they always felt like a weird after thought mechanically.
>>14842681
biteMage is a disciplined scholar of magic, Wizard is a rogue Mage, Sorcerer is self-learned wild Mage.
Monk-Sorcerer is a KickWizard
a1dd76 No.14875806
>>14875700
>Field Princess
>+Soft, mallable butthole
Who the fuck wrote these? seriously.
b0ac9b No.14875808
314fec No.14875837
>>14875806
ERPing losers from /tg/
b0d9b5 No.14875916
efe9d0 No.14875926
b7de0b No.14877277
>>14875719
Whatever… rollan
ff31e4 No.14879133
>>14841957
Make like a tree and fuck off.
ff31e4 No.14879156
>>14842137
Stop posting the same photo of this fat piece of shit everywhere.
At least get different pictures.
8e25bb No.14880434
8e25bb No.14880437
>>14880434
>Death Knight
Oh shit, looks like the edgelords be looking out for me tonight