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Black Onyx

>enemies designed to sap your health and impede progress as much as possible to slow you down

But that's what enemies are supposed to do.

>>14841390

>a JRPG that doesn't shit the bed in the last 25% of the game?

Dark Souls.

>>14841404

No but in a bad way.

Like weak as shit enemies that die in one hit but there's 6 of them and they poison you or can inflict petrify. Just bullshit that isn't a challenge, it's just annoying and you know it's only there in that bland as fuck dungeon to fill time.

>>14841405

Anor Londo is when Dark Souls shits the bed

>>14841402

Kamidori has an absolutely insufferable faggot Sue as the protag. I tried playing it a few times, but every time, after a few hours, he pisses me off so much I have to quit and uninstall.

>>14841390

Parasite Eve and Chrono Trigger are two that immediately come to mind.

>>14841390

I can't name a JRPG that doesn't the bed in the fist 25% of the game.

Hell I can't find a JRPG that isn't shit at all!

It's almost as if the entire gendra has been designed for aliens that think it's fun to be worker ants…

Mario and Luigi SSS

Chrono Trigger (developed by Square and released on March 11, 1995 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System) and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (developed by Intelligent Systems and released on July 22, 2004 for the Nintendo GameCube) are Japanese Role-Playing Games.

These. Are. The Facts.

>>14841411

Those guys are easily dealt with with "attack all enemies" spells and skills. You talk about challenge but sounds like you can't deal with such simple things. Are you one of those guys who complains the genre is about grinding because your only way of fighting bosses is hitting them with your strongest attacks over and over?

Bad dungeon design is a legitimate complain though.

>>14841438

You're fucking stupid if you can't understand that what I'm saying has nothing to do with grinding or difficulty

SMT Nocturne

if you're a man who plays games for gameplay

if you're a casual who just plays to see the story, then play something else

Snagoku Rance.

>>14841444

>Like weak as shit enemies that die in one hit but there's 6 of them and they poison you or can inflict petrify. Just bullshit that isn't a challenge, it's just annoying

I'm saying this kind of enemies are not an annoyance to someone who knows how to play.

You complain because you are a retard and is easier to fault the game than yourself.

>>14841478

>I'm saying this kind of enemies are not an annoyance to someone who knows how to play.

They are when you're fighting them two or three dozen times in a shitty empty dungeon for no purpose other than they developers wanted to pad out the game. It's wasting my fucking time and it's not fun, stop defending it.

the final fantasies kinda flip-flop on this.

Of the ones i've played I think IV is the absolute fucking worst, the final dungeons are ridiculous slogs with boring meatsponges. I and III are pretty bad, unsure about V.

VI is alright, I think. You can tackle the endgame pretty much whenever you want. VII, too, I don't remember having to bullshit around when I wanted to finish everything up, plus the last bossfights are pretty good.

X has a super-annoying final dungeon, definitely. A lot of the extra time-padding is optional though, and only there for completionist nutjobs. Same with XII containing a metric shitload of padding for sidequests and hunts and bullshit. The actual game's pretty accessible, especially if you have the HD version and can just set up gambits and fast-forward through everything. Though for me that kinda raised the question as to why I was playing the game in the first place.

>>14841390

Xenoblade and Xenoblade 2

>>14841476

Not an RPG, nor JRPG.

Chrono Trigger

It shits the bed right at the start.

>>14841390

>Vagrant Story

I don't seem to recall Vagrant Story having enemies that sap your health.

In fact, the moment you even get a hint of how the combat mechanics work, Vagrant Story becomes really easy.

Even the final boss can be taken out by simply filling up all your weapons with PP and DP and then use the whole PP as the damage of your attack.

>>14841538

not an argument

>>14841609

It's japanese, and an RPG, but the Ys games aren't JRPGs, they're isometric ARPGs.

sounds like OP couldn't get good at the games and can't adapt his play style to new challenges.

>>14841661

they're JRPGs which isn't a real genre.

>>14841414

>I can't roll dodge or parry

That's unfortunate anon, but what does that have to do with the thread?

Try some of the Atelier games, specifically Escha & Logy. Last 25% of the game lets you do anything you want, which includes going to the final boss and other super bosses but only if you can handle it and manage your time effectively.

>>14841541

glad someone else here likes P3

>>14841414

i hear this said alot. anor londo is my favorite "level" in dark souls. what makes you say this is when the game shits the bed?

>>14841538

>japanese action RPGs arent JRPGS.

>>14841667

>they're JRPGs which isn't a real genre.

maybe they meant to say turn based story driven RPGs?

The World Ends With You

>>14841682

>maybe they meant to say turn based story driven RPGs?

then say it or console rpg.

>>14841682

>>14841702

Trust me, you aren't going to win that one. While using JRPG to mean "Japanese Role Playing Game" and nothing more is the most correct definition, and one I personally agree with, it's one that nobody uses, and then you need to go out of your way to explain it every time.

>>14841712

> the Ys games aren't JRPGs

you can't win against outright ignorance like this, so I don't want to deal with it.

>>14841720

They're ARPGs, and far closer to Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance than any JRPG..

>>14841752

ARPGs are still RPGs. Ys games are ARPGS, JRPGs, and RPGs. they fit all descriptions. one doesnt exclude from the other.

>>14841752

JRPG literally just means its from Japan.

>>14841682

>Witcher is a JRPG

>Dark Souls is a CRPG or WRPG

All terms are shit.

>>14841767

Of course, but as I said, using JRPG in that loose manner robs it of the meaning it has for most people, and then if you're going down that path of gross simplification, why include the J at all when in this context there are no specific gameplay implications, it's just your typical ARPG.

>>14841788

>Witcher is a JRPG

witcher isnt japanese.

what are you trying to say?

>>14841791

i assumed the OP was insinuating that the japanese are incapable of making a game that doesnt shit the bed before the end.

>>14841795

same

>>14841792

It has a non customisable lead. It focuses heavily on dating sim. It features more action elements then dice rolling. That's to start.

JRPG and cRPG or wRPG meant something in the 90s. But it turns out when even Zelda has been called a skyrim game now, people should begin to realise that mechanics have bled over across national borders.

>>14841795

He's a retarded nigger, but he did list JRPGs in the traditional sense of "linear story-heavy RPG with turn based combat" as well as traditional JRPG tropes, so one would assume that he doesn't mean "every JRPG from japan is shit".

Take Dead Age, which is a shitty zombie game created in the west with copy-pasted JRPG combat and mechanics. Do we call that a WRPG simply because it's western and an RPG, or would we call it a JRPG as it strictly conforms to the gameplay standards of JRPGs?

>>14841821

I should say, one would assume that he doesn't mean "every RPG from japan is shit".

>>14841821

>gameplay standards of JRPGs?

JRPG doesn't define anything in game play outside of it being an RPG which takes many forms. JRPG just means its from Japan. If you don't want such a useless descriptor, stop using it.

>>14841802

jrpg means japanese rpg. anything else youre using was just your own perception of what that means to you. japanses rpgs have a style, like anything from anywhere. but something that doesnt fit the bill isnt that, its just less common.

same thing with anything else. american music isnt all country/folk music. and just because an american makes something that isnt one of those, doesnt mean its not american music.

>>14841824

people have made that exact statement about japanese games. are you defending phil fish?

>>14841825

> JRPG just means its from Japan. If you don't want such a useless descriptor, stop using it.

its not necessarily useless, but it reminds me of anime. some anime, short for japanimation is american styled. its still japanimation. in the same way wakfu isnt anime.

>>14841831

It just sounds like you don't understand the definition and how it's used, then.

>>14841825

But everyone uses it, including the OP of the thread which you're in which I assume was supposed to be a springboard for discussion of the genre.

>>14841831

>people have made that exact statement about japanese games

But OP didn't. OP used the traditional definition of JRPG while listing JRPGs that conform to that definition as well as some JRPG tropes.

>are you defending phil fish?

What does some talentless fat soycuck claiming all japanese games suck have to do with nigger OP specifically disliking the last 25% of JRPGs?

>>14841841

>But everyone uses it

everyone can be wrong once in a while. Use a better phrase.

>>14841837

>how its used

not my fault if people dont know what it means

>>14841841

Op listed actual JRPGs, doesnt mean that he was exclusively talking about that "type" of jrpg. its like shitting on anime, then every time someone brings up a "good" anime, you say "well i didnt mean THAT, i meant the stereotype ones". just means you used a bad term, or didnt think about what you said before you said it.

because fish said he said "all japanese games" and meant "all japanese games" including the one he ripped off the style of.

"all japanese games" means all, not just ones that fit into a stereotype like you were trying to argue.

like this >>14841860 retard.

>>14841866

>dark souls has no combat

>dragons dogma has weeb shit design

>legend of legaia has no 3d models

>FF13 has level grinding

>bloodborne has no combat

>no nothing

whatever you say, nogames retard.

>>14841860

-t. nu goy of soy fan

>>14841862

>not my fault if people dont know what it means

nope, but with certain words you can direct conversation and use of more practical and useful terms.

>>14841862

>Op listed actual JRPGs, doesnt mean that he was exclusively talking about that "type" of jrpg

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like there's a shortage of subhumans like >>14841860 who are actually saying what you're accusing the OP of.

>>14841821

Language is defined by how its used. I agree, we need better terms. Action RPG, Turn Based RPG, Strategy or Tactical RPG have all popped up. It means Zelda isn't in the same group as Fire Emblem. Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Nioh are all great examples of modern JRPGs that have been heavily inspired by western games. They also are all called action RPGs, not called JRPGs. Unfortunately, no equivalent term like Metroidvania has popped up to describe Breath of Fire, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Tales, Chrono, Phantasy Star type games that were made in the 90s.

>>14841890

I agree with everything you said, I just think that for now, JRPG is an adequate and non-clunky description of those games.

>>14841878

yes, im not the (((type))) to argue semantics, but when OP said JRPG, i instantly thought of japanese RPGs including action RPGs.

i dont know why anyone would think JRPG only means 16-bit turn based anime style RPGs since even back in that era, there were JRPGs that didnt fall into that category. the name escapes me right now but there was an action RPG on sega genesis with anime style, zelda II was an RPG and not anime style, and there were turn based RPGs from japan without anime style.

>>14841890

why even seperate J and W since both J and W make games in eachothers styles? dragons dogma is a jrpg and the original japanese game released to japanese audiences has english dialogue.

>>14841892

>When people talk about Jrpgs they think of classic final fantasy shit.

speak for yourself. i dont think like that at all. Zelda II was a japanese action RPG for the NES.

have you thought that maybe youre not into video games enough to have enough of a basis for that opinion? because it sure looks that way.

>>14841892

>Dragon's Dogma has a European design on it

But its not buggy and the combat is good. How could it possibly be European?

>>14841907

tbh, to me personally, when someone says wrpg i instantly think of games like fallout 1&2. or maybe even diablo. but if someone brought up a wrpg that didnt fit that mold and was more like a anime style jrpg made in the west, i wouldnt argue saying its not a wrpg.

>>14841911

no (are those action RPGs?), and its going to drive me crazy because i own it and im going to start going through boxes of my old games later if i dont figure it out…

>>14841916

>when someone says wrpg i instantly think of games like fallout 1&2

Those fit your typical definition of cRPG. Fallout, Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, Arcanum, etc. When most people say wRPG they mean shit like bethesda games.

>no (are those action RPGs?)

Yeah, Crusader of Centy is a really blatant ALttP clone, and Landstalker is also an ARPG except you can only move in diagonals and it's awkward as fuck.

If you can remember which game it is, I'll probably go play it.

>>14841904

Star Ocean?

JRPG and WRPG fell into more about what differentiated trends overall. It meant cRPGs or WRPGs were more customisable, open ended. A big factor was whether or not you could manipulate what your main character looked like. Upgrades to 3D graphics meant isometric, or camera options were obsolete to the old definitions. Blame games like Star Ocean, and even OP's reference to Vagrant Story for this confusion.

>>14841390

Final Fantasy Tactics, Breath of Fire 3 and 4.

>>14841925

>When most people say wRPG they mean shit like bethesda games.

thats insulting to the west.

>>14841925

i'll let you know as soon as i remember.

>>14841945

i grew up at that time, so i never associated games like shadowrun exclusively with the west and games like gauntlet exclusively with japanese.

JRPG isnt a genre, its a description of games within the genre (RPG).

>>14841986

>thats insulting to the west.

they also think of bioware games

>>14842001

>thats insulting to the west.

It is, but we don't have many great non-cRPGs or isometric APRGs. Gothic 1 and 2 are fantastic, Risen 1 is alright, but where are we beyond that? CD Projekt games? Bethesda games?

>>14841986

That too.

>>14842001

i can understand why nu-gamers would think that. most new games i play are japanese. right now western games are pretty cancerous.

but if someone said "european art" and thought of painting with feces and period blood… and modern art, i'd also take issue with that for the same reason.

>>14841945

beyond oasis was the game i was thinking of.

>>14842014

Whoops, flip those quotes. The jack is definitely kicking in.

>>14842026

>beyond oasis

Oh, neat, that was already on my must play genesis list.

Suikoden 1.

>>14842037

Suikoden 2, too.

>>14842034

>must play genesis list.

ever play cadash? very unique action rpg. its 2D side scrolling "open world" it even has towns and stuff.

its a bizzare game. its also a jrpg

theres also sorcerian… far from perfect, but its an aquired taste. i dont really know many games that are like this.

arcus oddysey is a weird one too.. definitely an rpg. at times it feels like a shooter, but its almost like a isometric shooter, but really the gameplay kinda reminds me of a linear ninja of goemon for n64…

these are all jrpgs i believe.

>>14841390

Final Fantasy IV was amazing to rent at the video store and overwrite people's endgame saves.

This genre is great when you're a kid but they're unbearable now. I am amazed that people care about the characters and story so much. If you like JRPG's you're no different than the normalfags playing their movie games.

>>14842068

Good stuff, thanks anon. I had very few genesis games growing up, so I've been working on trying to finish all of the good ones I missed.

>>14842080>>14842080

>If you like games with stories you're no different than the normalfags playing their movie games.

is that what you meant to say?

>>14842089

Not really. It can have a story if it's in the manual tucked away. Excessive exposition kills me though.

>>14842087

i had a genesis growing up along with a tg16 and its like i bought all the wrong games back then. not that we had many ways of knowing.

>>14842095

but movie games typically have very easy or terrible "you cant lose" gameplay. not every jrpg is guilty of that. most of them arent guilty of that.

>>14842094

its a good way to describe rpgs from japan. not good for much else since japan has made soooo many different types of rpgs.

>>14842110

>but movie games typically have very easy or terrible "you cant lose" gameplay. not every jrpg is guilty of that

I can't remember a JRPG that was ever challenging. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to think. I haven't played JRPG's past the PS2 era.

>>14842110

I used to pick out Genesis and SNES games purely based on the the cover and the back of the box. What savage times those were.

>>14842111

Most Squauresoft JRPGs have challenging optional content, but yeah, outside of end bosses, there's typically not a whole lot of challenge involved as long as you keep your gear and stats up to date. It doesn't personally bother me, I love JRPGs, and even movie games like Alan Wake, but I can also appreciate the gameplay first, story second angle, like what we get with souls games.

>>14842111

dark souls has a fair amount of challenge. do you want more examples?

persona 5 has a fair amount of challenge.

FF13, although i dont like the game has a fair amount of challenge.

FF tactics has a fair amount of challenge.

natural doctrine has a fair amount of challenge.

beyond oasis can get pretty damn hard.

plenty of Ys games offer a nice amount of challenge

super mario RPG had a fair amount of challenge.

zelda II was hard as fuck.

legend of legaia had a descent challenge.

>>14842130

>I used to pick out Genesis and SNES games purely based on the the cover and the back of the box.

same. i owned sonic 1, 2, 3, and s&k, and i never played through s3&k because i didnt know it added any levels or anything. i liked sonic 2 more than sonic 3 so i played that or played sonic and knuckles on its own. it wasnt until a few years ago i read about s3&k being the "full fame" and went and played it expecting like an extra level…

felt angry i missed this when i was a kid after playing it as an adult.

>>14842140

>dark souls has a fair amount of challenge

That's not an JRPG it's an action game with an inventory system and stats.

>persona 5 has a fair amount of challenge.

I bought this one. I didn't find it challenging on hard at all. In fact it felt like a prime example of JRPGs being too easy. I didn't finish it though. I got bored.

>FF13, although i dont like the game has a fair amount of challenge.

I played until after the oil rig area and got bored. What did you find challenging about it? The combat system was interesting but I never felt threatened.

>super mario RPG had a fair amount of challenge.

Oh you were joking this whole time.

>>14842157

>i dont know what an RPG is, nor do i know what constitutes something being a japanese rpg, vs not.

read the thread before posting.

Paper Mario 1

Pretty much any pokémon game including mystery dungeon

I would say dragonquest but I've gotten lost during the endgame twice now, otherwise it's fine.

Devil Survivor

Persona series is another I'm hesitant about just because I tend to get burned out about 75% of the way through and drop the game for months.

>>14842179

Dark Souls isn't a JRPG.

>>14842262

>an rpg from japan isnt a japanse rpg.

sure thing, kiddo.

>>14842157

>an action game with an inventory system and stats.

>action rpg definition

They're using the definition that any rpg made in Japan is a JRPG. Why I have been talking around in circles, because I think the term JRPG is all but meaningless. Because of shit like the Dark Souls series.

>>14842281

Correct.

>>14842262

It's a JRPG, but not a JRPG. It's also an ARPG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fuck if I know, I do love me some souls games though.

>>14842299

Divinity OS is a classic cRPG.

Why do the Japs call their games RPGs anyway?

There's no roleplaying involved.

>>14842301

Are you just butthurt he talked shit about some games you liked?

>>14842299

It's an action game.

Even AAA western action games have inventory, leveling, item upgrades, skill unlocks.

>RPG from the land of Godzilla and you say its not a JRPG?

Yeah. It's a good action game though.

>>14842288

>Because of shit like the Dark Souls series.

zelda II for the NES is a jrpg.

dark souls isnt the first jrpg that had action gameplay. see >>14842068 and >>14841911

for a few more examples.

>>14842306

goes back to the days of tabletop rpgs. are you talking about how games like fallout 2 let you make alot of choices? because roleplaying can be linear. just like how roleplaying can mean "ok, im a rapist, and youre my victim"

>>14842316

so youre so new to video games you thought that rpgs can only be turn based?

>>14842323

Made no mention of this.

Devil May Cry 4 is my favorite JRPG

>>14842330

so why does action oriented gameplay exclude a game from being an RPG?

>>14842319

I mentioned Zelda and Star Ocean. I know JRPGs have long had action. Same thing with Diablo and Elder Scrolls when compared to now what is cRPGs. It is why it made no sense in the WRPG, JRPG divide. And so when pushed, it was about character creation and options, how railroaded or open the story or world was, if non-combat options were provided, fixed camera in isometric 3D, crafting, etc. Turns out though, western devs liked what the japanese were doing, and vice versa. Zelda is now an Elder Scrolls/Ubisoft style open world, with crafting, weapons that break, and outfits upon outfits. It still has Link as Link, the action, and inventory. It still is an action RPG out of Japan.

Why I have been pushing for action, turn, tactical, even metroidvania as descriptors. If you wanted to talk late 90s, early 00s games that "shit the bed" in the last 25%. It is almost better to talk about design expectations, where completing a game was an accomplishment. That epic bosses, and epic dungeons were more about committing to it, and earning the achievement. That grinding led to experimentation, or even exploration, which meant discovery of secrets.

Maybe I just took the bait with the OP shitting on Vagrant Story.

>>14842407

the reason the "end" of an RPG is usually the most boring (to some) is because RPGs are about building yourself. by the end of the game youre powerful and have learned to use "what works" and using what works isnt the meat of these games, the discovery of what works is.

its like in a survival game. the fun part is the struggle. as soon as youre not struggling, its not fun anymore. however if youre always struggling, you dont feel progress.

dark souls/bloodborne balances this well by giving you periods where youre killing everything in sight and feel like a badass. until you hit a wall of a boss or a new class of enemy. but as you play and get stronger, you will eventually crush those as well. its the reward. but if youre a completionist, which many are in this genre, you will reach the pinnacle before reaching the end, since most of these games have a "max". which is usually why they throw in end-game bosses.

atelier games for example throw in excessively difficult end-game bosses much harder than the "final" boss. similarly FF7 threw in the ultimate weapons that required careful planning and strategy. bloodborne put in the chalice dungeons with excessively difficult bosses.

>>14842577

I hate crafting games but Dragon Quest Builders is comfy as fuck. Endgame is fucking awesome your basically given your own world and can build your own JRPG town. Random NPCs start moving in and manning all the work stations and start making free shit for you to make building easier. Basically you end up a fucking king. Much better fate than most heroes of Square games…kinda. Pretty sure your also dead as fuck if I followed the games plot right…

>>14842596

>build your own JRPG town

im excited for dqb2. i think they expanded on this. my village is at max. most comfy game i've ever played in my life. it surpassed harvest moon.

>>14841402

kill yourself

>>14842683

You have no idea what game you are talking about, do you?

>>14842655

Chain of Memories is the worst game in the whole series.

Lunatic Dawn Passage of The Book

>>14842718

Only if you're a pleb.

>>14842718

Top kek, looks like we've got a butthurt mod who can't defend his poor taste in games over here.

Go ahead, delete my post again faggot.

>>14842347

because it's not a menu navigation simulator

>>14841541

>The Answer had some bullshit bosses

Yeah there's a couple who have the evade skill for the only element they're vulnerable to. I never actually got hung up on any of the bosses in The Answer whereas I did a couple times in the base game.

>>14841590

It's even easier once you sit down and puzzle out the crafting system. If you hit up Iron Maiden II for materials the rest of the game is a cakewalk if you know what you're doing with it.

>>14842580

His approach to women is that of a m'lady-tier white knight, and they all fall in love with him the moment they meet him.

>>14842759

>>14842811

We have ids here. Might want to change your ip before samefagging.

Still better than all of the marxist western games.

>>14844649

stop this now

>>14841682

>what makes you say this is when the game shits the bed?

Probably got stuck. There are plenty of people who are unable to beat Dark Souls. I cannot imagine how that feels.

>>14841518

Can you give an example from any specific game you are referring to?

>>14842080

At least I get the proud badge of honor of being a weeb that understands japanese culture while you spic niggers are still playing angry birds on your cell phone.

>>14842178

I love how your posting the most normalfag shit. Those games are ancient trash. Newer more obscure games have perfected the formula.

>>14845125

No, Anor Londo is just where the fun stops. There's a noticeable dip in quality as soon as you arrive, I'll admit I'm not good enough to break it down and explain the details of why I feel like the quality dips but since I'm not alone in feeling this I'm pretty sure I'm not just deluding myself.

If Anor Londo was fun, I would've kept playing and beat the game. But it wasn't, so after I beat Ornstein and Smough I just quit the game and never played again.

>>14845874

No no, people always say the fun stops AFTER Anor Londo.

Because the game becomes too easy after that.

>>14845159

One of Vagrant Story's last area's in the game was a mine, the game likes to save money by reusing the "underground tunnel area" but renaming it different things and giving it a different layout depending on which one you're in. So The Wine Cellar, The Catacombs, Abandoned Mines, Sanctum and Limestone Quarry are all areas that fit under "underground tunnel area". Granted, they give them different colour schemes and try to make them unique-ish with set decoration but they're all just the same fucking area when you get down to brass tacks. So visually that's really fucking boring to look at and it gets worse the more you play because you'll sometimes revisit these boring areas.

Next, the enemies. The second to last area was the worst offender for this shit. It's been a few years so I can't remember the enemy names but they definitely cast shit like poison and paralysis and have movement patterns that're way more annoying than most enemies in the game. Did I have trouble getting through the area? No. Was it annoying and not the least bit fun? Yes. Why? Because they weren't a challenge, the area was boring, there was no real reason for that area to exist as a level for me to go through other than to pad out the game a bit.

>>14846004

It's stupid how people get hung up on this shit.

Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy, Vagrant Story. All JRPG's. Dark Souls, Nier, Nioh. While technically being JRPG's they're not really what you think of when someone says JRPG. So when someone says JRPG just assume they mean the first thing and don't get triggered that someone doesn't think Dark Souls is a JRPG. For all intents and purposes JRPG doesn't stand for anything, there's too much variation in JRPG's for it to be anything other than a loose collective term of random letters than signifies a japanese game with upgradeable stats and loot and shit.

>>14841682

>>14841405

Dark Souls peaks at O&S, everything after is boring.

>>14846004

All games involve actions, all games are action games. All games also simulate stuff even though it might be abstracted, thus all games are simulators. And thinking about it all games involve a degree of tactics and strategy, they're all tactical strategy games too. 🤔

Simplest explanation is every developer (and it seems japanese developers especially) suffers from scheduling problems that force them to cut content and corners toward the end of the project in order to ship in time, but JRPGs suffer from this more than other genres because they'd rather pad the game out with crap than throw away months of work on late game characters/plots/areas. Otherwise you either get a game like Xenogears where practically the entire second disc is a cutscene, or a game that feels like it was cut short. Less story-focused games can get away with cutting a lot more without ruining the cohesion.

Or maybe JRPGs are just a bad genre and the poor quality of the core gameplay eventually catches up to you.

>>14841405

You're right, because DS shits the bed 50% of the game.

>>14841417

You're gay.

>>14847042

I should replay this without spoiling myself all the fucking OP mantras

>>14846982

>Dragon Quest III sold over one million copies on the first day with almost 300 arrests for truancy among students absent from school to purchase the game,[50] and 3.8 million copies total in Japan

heh

>>14841620

good job, you just learned what an outright refutation is! there is no need for further discussion

>>14841785

They are action-RPGs, that's like a cousin of RPGs but not the same thing.

>>14846382

Why don't we just call them what they are? JRPGs with good game play.

>>14853549

ARPGs are still RPGs

Chrono Trigger, really tight evolution, gets even better from Zeal to the end.

Ys I

Crystalis

>>14853549

If you are still putting RPG into the game descriptor you are just specifying a sub-type of RPG. With JRPG being a regional descriptor.

>>14841390

Chrono trigger, Panzer Saga, FF6, Lunar 1 and 2, Skies of Arcadia, Paper Mario 1 and 2, Phantasy Star IV.

>>14841526

Xenoblade absolutely shits the bed towards the end. It just becomes a clusterfuck.

>>14841676

>Atelier

Waifu garbage. Makes sense an anime avatar would suggest such trash.

>>14841981

FFT shits the bed about 5-10% of the way in when you have to start relentlessly grinding, and the BoF series is b-grage tripe. Next you'll be recommending Suikoden or Legend of Dragoon…

>>14842037

>>14842057

The only good thing about those games is the sprites. Everything else from the writing, music and level designs are atrocious. Suikoden 2 is also full of technical bugs to make it even worse. You cunts should be ashamed of yourselves. When was the last time you played those games? in the mid 90s i bet? when you were about 12. Play them with an adults perspective and you will understand.

Let me blow y'alls minds. Okay hold up.

JRPG stands for…

Japanese-styled

Role

Playing

Geemu

>>14842577

>Legend of Mana

>Tfw still have my PS copy in the original case

>TFW also have a copy on the Vita

I fucking LOVE Legend of Mana and I don't think I will ever find a game as comfortable, and filled with fluffy fantasy as that one.

>>14878334

Geemu wa nani desuka

>>14841848

Came to post this. Though I hear the remake fucked that up

>>14845874

My only complaint about Anor Londo is that the architecture becomes annoying after awhile.

>Wow look at how big and amazing Anor Londo is!! It's just as grand as they said!!

>Wow everything is so huge!

>Wow… This elevator is fucking slow.

>Wow, this bridge elevator is even slower…

>Wow, walking from point a to point b is tedious because of the large bridges

>I'm sick of fucking white and gold. Please get me out

>>14879752

I'd fuck that.

>>14884261

Yep, like other recent Atlus remakes they fucked it up.

>>14884891

Playing the original always works.

>>14842068

Cadash is an arcade port.

>>14841390

FF7?

>>14841390

Bloodborne.

>>14899696

Bloodborne is not a fucking JRPG, stop memeing

>>14841541

>tartarus bosses uses almighty damage move

>one shots most of your party

Phantasy Star IV

>>14902735

>Furthermore the content is thoroughly rehashed from the first

>otherwise don't slap the IP and do a different game

One, I didn't like it at first, but played it years later just for shits and giggles giving it a chance and it's a fine game.

Second, how the fuck can you say it's a different game, and a rehash in the next sentence?

>>14847042

oooooooo wtf is this?! guessing there is a fan translation

>>14841390

Mother 3

Pokemon red+blue, gold+silver

Dragon quest I-III (II is probably going to be too hard for you)

>>14900809

It's an RPG made in Japan.

>>14923564

>implying

>>14841950

Bullshit. It started off decent enough, but after halfway through, the dungeons became copypastefests, and the ending was shit. Same thing happened to White Knight Chronicles on top of it having one of the worst combat systems ever.

Earthbound

M1 can even be handled end game if you know what you are doing, though there will be a lot of death. EB itself is one of the 1st games out there w/o a single random battle IMO. EB is my ggoat but feel free to not have the same opinion I do for it.

Phantasy Star

4 is the best, but PS1 has a good patch or 2 along with the others. All 4 have random battles

Lufia 1&2

but mostly 2…there are others in this series but meh

Wild Arms

has some good games in its series. Has random battles but after the 1st game has ways to control how much you have to deal with them. 3 is my favorite but yeah it has some serious down sides to it as well.

Legend of Dragoon

Cult loved…random battles though are not fun. It does at least warn you and lets you deal with the encounter rate some.

Skies of Arcadia

Also a cult loved game…random battles are crazy in it though.

Tales

serious ups n downs. Berseria is the newest one out there but I actually liked it overall.

Child of Light

If you can get over who made it.

Breath of Fire

1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Random battles suck but they are ok games. 2 has a habit of telling you to stay out of certain areas by making uber enemies in the area. You should start with 2 IMO and grab that patch. Though I guess the final dungeon in 2 might be the type of thing you would hate though that was in the OP.

Gaia series

Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma

Mana series

up to 4 and the remake of 1 are all worth playing still IMO. So Final Fantasy Adventure, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Legend of Mana, and Sword of Mana.

Fantasy Life

its on the 3DS

Chrono Trigger

Cause I think it is sort of needed to be listed for any list

Kingdom Hearts

1 is still my fav

Paper Mario, PM:TTYD

Feel free to try out the others if you want. After TTYD SPM is rather hit or miss and lots hate the sticker games. But I'm just making a list, feel free to think for yourself. Even TTYD has parts that suck to be fair.

Mario and Luigi

SSS is well loved to this day, they really haven't topped this yet IMO even though they have had plenty of chances to. Granted I can't really say they are all bad after SSS. They just have a lot of bad parts. Like for example Dream Team is still throwing you into forced tutorials in the final fucking dungeon. Oh and fuck giant battles…

Fire Emblem

tactical rpg series that is classic

Pokemon

2nd gen is my fav still.

Final Fantasy

FFV is the best one.

Might be pushing what is RPGs at this point cause yeah

Wonder Boy

Dragon's Trap got a remake.

Certain Castlevania

One could consider various games in this series as packing a lot of RPG mechanics IMO

La-Mulana

Same

Guacamelee

giving a list.

Fragile Dreams

On the Wii

>>14935414

PSX jrpgs have aged like milk tbh. Go play them nowadays without nostalgia and they're intolerable.

>>14876301

>Xenoblade shits the bed at the end

>Doesn't clarify what they mean

Good point, faggot. You sure showed everyone.