/v/ - Video Games

>>14840850

MUGEN is a fighting game engine.

And Nintendo hates modders.

Despite the saying "imitation is the highest form of flattery", I think gamedevs just don't want modders tarnishing the image of their precious game despite how it can improve it.

>>14840850

>warcraft 3

>LF2

You answer your own question, but this is mostly part of an overarching strategy to monetize everything about videogames and maximize profits. Having a successful modding community floating around acknowledges two things: that your game wasn't a complete experience, and that you're willing to keep these modders, who are potentially more competent at what your own workers do, outside of your influence. The suits who put the money tend to hate that.

Fuck modding tools, they are barely maintained hacks. We need the actual source code and file formats.

>>14840868

>And Nintendo hates modders.

Nintendo is a console company, allowing customers a choice is fundamentally against Nintendo's DNA. Even when it comes to plain in-game options they rarely allow anything. How many people would love to turn off the blue shell in Mario Kart, but all you can do is either turn off all items or keep all of them.

>>14840897

Mod tools are a good compromise for when developers aren't willing to relinquish source code or their proprietary formats to the consumer. It's a necessary evil that does more to help than to harm.

>We need the actual source code and file formats.

The problem is the skill level of the average programmer today. What used to be easy is now seen as black magic. Reverse engineering a file format shouldn't be hard, especially with all the fancy tools that make it disgustingly easy today, but how many "programmers" now even know how to use a hex editor let alone a debugger let alone have enough knowledge to recognize basic algorithms you'd find in file formats?

>>14840877

I think I'm gonna start going around on boards and finding buzzwords or phrases in posts.

> sacred cow

Stop that, rephrase nigga. It's good for your brain.

>>14840850

I can't remember the name of the shooter, it claims it is a doom/quake-inspired shooter that had an editor with a scripting language. I'm pretty sure it died because no one cared and trashed the vanilla for being garbage. It came out in '13-'14 I believe but forget what it is called.

>>14840865

Jesus don't give them any ideas.

>>14840850

Dota 2 had modding too, but it was removed after some point. How comes nobody mentioned cs:go? Valve did some huge fuckery with that one. You see, the new steampipe system changed how modding works. You now don't replace files anymore. Mods are packed into .vpk files and can be dropped into a mod folder. Then when you are in game you can either disable or enable them. If you join a server that doesn't allow mods your client will load the default files instead.

Sounds like a decent system, right? Because the number 1 reason against modding in cs:go is that people would use it to cheat in ranked games. But remember, the server decides if you run mods or not. Valve could easily set up the game to not load any mods in ranked games. But instead they remove mods entirely.

People didn't knew why Valve would do this, why would they disable mods for no reason? Well turns out they had good reasons for it. They added freaking skins to cs:go. Valve disabled modding for cs:go just so they could sell their ugly skins.

>>14840850

>The prevailing scarcity of mod tools

because they don't want filthy rayciss wite MALES to defile their sacred pile of shit that is the modern cinematic 'game' and turn it into something not safespace-ish for fellow sjws that will never even bother touching it in the first place because they have zero interest in gaming in the first place anyways

Mod tools don't generate significant amounts of revenue in the eyes of the shareholder. Even though most games go about it the wrong way. You don't even need a fancy editing program like the TES Construction Set, although it doesn't hurt. All you need is a powerful scripting language that is tied in to all of your games' functionality. Starsiege Tribes absolutely nailed this, the only mod tutorials that were ever needed were the base scripts included with the game which had developer comments. You can't find a modding tutorial for Tribes online because any budding programmer can easily figure it out.

Lack of good tools in modern PC games have pushed me away from PC gaming. Lots of devs flat out lying about the inclusion of SDKs as well, such as CDPR.

>>14841706

Aren't a lot of Source engine games like this? I haven't done it in forever but I remember the half-life 2 SDK just gave you open access to the weapon scripts and that's how they expected you to learn and create your own.

>>14841982

Yes, Lua scripting in Source is powerful. Not as powerful as in some of the other games I've seen though. I think Tribes takes the cake honestly. There is an RPG mod that saves character info server side, has a custom menu for character management and new meta options such as inviting players to a party and sharing XP gain. There are also admin tools such as choosing when to save the state of the world and being able to possess other players. All of this was done with scripts in the scripts folder and nothing else. Not even getting into the game mechanics of course.

>>14841693

Reminder that Paradox got the "no niggers or asians" mod for Stellaris banned from mod websites.

>>14840850

On the other hand you can download and make shit with entire game engines for free.

>>14842119

That's always much more work than making a mod. Mods aren't necessarily about making the best game you can make, it's usually about having a development process that is easy and fun. Making a full game takes much more dedication and resources.

>>14842135

The process of making mods is like putting a new spin on a classic dinner. You're not trying to make something new entirely, just add a little something to something great.

>>14842491

Not really. Many mods are entirely new experiences or games if you will. The Tribes RPG mod I mentioned in my earlier post is a great example. It turns Tribes from a team based shooter into a MUD-inspired "MMO" (I use the word loosely here because the game doesn't have the population to support it, but it has similar mechanics). There's also the Construction mod for Tribes 2. There are many mods which simply put a spin on the game it's modifying, but either way the development process is less stressful and more enjoyable than building your design from scratch in a different engine.

>>14840850

We can't sell you DLC if we allow to just make better content yourselves, goyim :^)

Dota 2 has had custom games for several months, though Valve keep failing to give a single shit about making CG development something that's worth your time. Just about every patch the game gets breaks half the custom games.

>>14847181

Exactly this.