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>>14836118

I know there is a game called JRPG for learning Kanji, not sure about rpgmaker stuff though. Once you learn some vocab and grammar, playing any game in Japanese would help you learn more.

>>14836205

>I hear that JRPGs are pretty digestible for beginners

Not from my experience. A lot of uncommon kanji throughout.

>>14836205

Looks like that just teaches hiragana, which doesn't require much to learn. It may be a fun way to practice that, just don't go in expecting to learn a lot of the language.

Is there a way to texthook the Higurashi visual novel? I have tried VNR, ITH and two other programs but nothing worked.

How long does it take to learn enough Nippon to play lengthy, meaty JRPGs and appreciate them fully

>>14838723

That depends entirely on you. Some people learn really fast and others take an eternity. Playing really text heavy JRPGs without having to look up grammar and vocabulary constantly is already kind of a big task. I dunno, maybe three years, or so? As i said, it´s really up to the individual.

>>14838723

Probably about 3 years of disciplined study and vocab building.

>>14838965

Nigga Elona+ is full weeb autism.

It's also translated if you'd like, but not completely, only japs and the non-jap madmen who actually learned japlish can fully experience it.

The character you posted is even a secret boss in it.

>>14839073

To reinforce and supplement your studies I would suggest just trying to play a regular game or enjoy some other native-oriented media. Just don't go with something overly difficult. If it's overwhelming move onto something else.

Anyone have recommendations for vocab apps on Android? I've been using kanji tree and kanji study and they seem pretty good. I know I could use anki but I like these interfaces for a phone. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Do anons also know other languages than their mother tongue? I live in Europe so I speak about 4, and I can understand some more that I can't speak however.

Friendly sage for, well, not vidya AND not Japanese.

>>14841758

And I fail the sage. I'll commit sudoku now.

>>14841758

Yes, I know French and Japanese :^)

>>14841718

There is a version of Anki you can get on Android, have you tried that? It works really well. I tried finding other apps for learning but eventually gave up since none of them seemed that good. There is one called Kotoba that could be nice since it has a shitload of words built in, but it gets easy to just guess the correct answers since it is all multiple choice. It's not SRS either like Anki. Maybe you could get some use out of it though.

>>14839073

That doesn't teach grammar so it's no supplement for any grammar guide. I've never played it but it probably won't do any harm as long as you are doing more serious study in other ways too. Could be fun for getting into Kanji if that is a struggle for you.

Pop quiz time JLT: How is 易者 pronounced?

>>14844515

This has me interested since I've just gotten to my vocabulary. When you're doing kanji and how to say it, the sources I am using show me what it means. So I know that mountain looks like in kanji but how the hell do I learn how to say it. Does each kanji have it's own way of pronounciation or what? Is anki the way of going about learning how to pronounce and know what a kanji means?

>>14844515

I had to look it up and was surprised. 者 is the common pronunciation but I don't think I've seen that reading of 易 before.

>>14846211

>the sources I am using show me what it means

Stop using Heisig or whatever shitty meaning-only resource you're using, you'll never learn to read that way. Kanji can have a ton of readings but usually 1 or 2 constitute the vast majority of readings for that kanji. I've only seen half a dozen words where 者 isn't read as しゃ. Those are exceptions you just have to get used to. Eventually just like in English you will stop seeing kanji and start seeing words. The effect is called typoglycemia and here's a copy-pasted example:

>"I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg: the phaonmneel pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rseearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiatrely cllaed Typoglycemia :)- Mbaye taht's why FCUK T-srihts are so cmoomn? Amzanig huh? Yaeh and you awlyas thguoht slpeling was ipmorantt."

Obviously I don't think it works that fluidly with kanjia as it does with roman letters but you get the idea.

>>14846211

There are two big groups when it comes to kanji reading: Onyomi and Kunyomi. Onyomi is basically the old chinese reading, or better said, an ancient japanese`s desperate try to read the ancient chinese reading. Just imagine a medieval jap merchant trying to mimic a chinese sound. That´s basically their origin. The second big group is Kunyomi. They are the newer japanese reading for the kanji symbols.

The rule of thumb is that Onyomi is used when a kanji stands within a compound, which makes sense, because these Onyomi word compounds were originally chinese loanwords, after all. Kunyomi, on the other hand, is mostly used when a kanji stands alone or is only accompanied by a grammatical ending in hiragana.

But these tips probably won´t help you that much, because there are more often than not multiple onyomi and kunyomi readings for a given kanji symbol and some readings are just plain irregular. I can only give you the advice another anon already gave before: Learn the pronounciation by learning vocabulary and not single kanji symbols. After a time you will just automatically start to read them correctly.

>>14846211

I'm personally only paying attention to kanji sound and meaning via vocab studying. I don't think it does any good to learn 5 different readings for a kanji if you don't know the words those readings go in anyway. I'm doing some kanji writing practice with keywords in order to get a better understanding of exactly what makes each kanji unique, hopefully that will sync up with my vocab naturally but I pretty much have to take that on faith.

>>14847314

That word is the fucking bane of my existence. I hate it so fucking much because I miss it in Anki every single fucking time. These days I've managed to memorize it not because I recognise the word but because its shape just pisses me off instinctively. I guess that's one way to do it.

>>14847189

Just knowing all the readings wouldn't be much help since you'd have to know the correct reading for each word anyway. Studying kanji on their own can be useful though for reasons like you said. Some kanji may be different by just one stroke, so learning to differentiate them all and remember their meanings is useful. I would be careful assigning just one keyword for every kanji though (if that's what you are doing), as some have many meanings a single word can't cover.

>>14848390

It's not really the keywords I'm using (or trying to use) to sync the kanji with the vocab. I SHOULD simply recognize the kanji that I've written when I see them in my vocab study and go from there.

>>14848941

Use a different font. You can find some good ones in cornucopia in the guide. I recommend the kyoukasho fonts.

Boimanko

>>14847314

Here's some more:

交易

不易

周易

辟易

易学

Is writing worth the time investment? I can kinda remember stroke orders for the kana but I really don't see how it's worth my time if I never want to visit Japan and merely wish to read stuff. I've already been making progress by just reading and not worrying about writing. Do any anons write a bunch or is it all just visual and audio for you guys?

>>14851457

I only write things down when a kanji is completely new to me or I fuck it up constantly.

>>14836107

>gookspeak

>>14838965

Yes. All of them

>>14851457

It's not worth your time if you're never going to use it, and if you're not planning to visit Japan, you won't use it.

>>14851457

As mentioned writing can aid memory. Additionally it could benefit both your ability to recognize and differentiate characters and your ability to read handwriting. I like to write for review. Don't really do any writing outside of study purposes though.

>>14853190

How is the stroke order relevant?

For example,

職 Look at the right portion of this character. What difference does it make if the little dot in the top right part of this character is written last or not? Or that the sun 日 is written before the halberd 戈. It's still the same radicals, 耳・立・日・戈 no matter what. As long as you recognize the radicals, you can identify the character easily.

>>14853257

<goonposting

>>14856339

Any system that lets you draw kanji to input them relies 100% on you knowing the proper stroke order. Other than that, it's not helpful and it's perfectly feasible (with few exceptions) to use radical lookup

>>14856339

Stroker order is relevant if you hastily scribble something down, which actual japanese have to do a lot, of course. If you use a wrong stroke order, this can make the kanji look nearly undecipherable in this situation. But for a ばか外人 it´s not really that necessary, because you will barely write something down with your hand to take notes.

>>14856536

Hastily scribbled kanji is largely indecipherable anyway. Also, chinks and nips don't even agree on the stroke order.

>>14856339

It's revelant for actually remembering how to write kanji, but that's only if you handwrite of course. Also what >>14856407 said

>>14856339

>>14856536

It can help with scribbled handwriting recognition.

If you want to write, I recommend at least learning the stroke order for radicals and common kanji.

No one cares if you write obscure kanji in wrong order, but knowing the common parts kanji are made of will teach you how to write most of them.

>>14856832

It's not the end all solution, but it can help. That's 草書 script right? I don't think that's a very fair example because it changes proper Japanese stroke order for the sake of flow and has it's own sort of rules and that you need to learn to be able to decipher it well. 和?

>>14857065

Excellent anon. You got it right. But how the hell were you able to figure it out?

Friends, what strategies do you use to find proper i+1 material to study? It's surprisingly hard to zero in on something that's not either too difficult or too simple, and because of that a lot of my grammar and vocab knowledge has been lapsing recently.

>>14858589

What exactly are you looking for? something to read?

>>14858589

When I'm looking for something new to read I just go through a bunch of shit until I find something that I can understand somewhat decently and is interesting. Even if you think something is too easy, it could still provide entertainment and a way to interact with the language. You could also just review the stuff you think you are forgetting.

>>14858589

What is "i+1"? I tried searching but I couldn't find anything. I assume it refers to a certain learning level but I have no idea if that's high or low. I'm still pretty new here myself

>>14858954

It's a linguistics term that basically just means "something just above your current skill level".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis

Basically, it's generally agreed that something that's in that area is going to lead to the best consistent learning and retention, so it's ideal to shoot for.

>>14858717

Games, maybe literature. Any genre of the former is fine, but if it has basically no text, that's kinda defeating the point. Kanji is ideal since picking out words without can be a bit of a mess, though I'm on the fence about whether furigana is necessary. On one hand, it leads to quicker lookup as opposed to lookup by radical, but on the other hand limits options and I can see how some might take it as a crutch.

>>14858829

Fair enough, I'm embarrassed to admit that a year in I'm still forgetting super elementary shit like certain conjugations and all the uses of the goddamn に particle.

>>14858984

I forget basic shit sometimes too, it happens. Sometimes I know something so easily that I question if I'm correct and have to look it up to validate my knowledge too, so it goes both ways. The joys of learning.

>>14859420

God, I wish I didn't know that feeling.

>>14859420

I can read kanji pretty confidently but it'll be a cold day in hell when I finally learn katakana.

>>14859852

Katakana can be easy to fuck up because of shit like ソ・ン and シ・ツ. I don't think it's much harder than hiragana overall though, except it isn't used as much so you see it less.

>>14859852

Don't worry, 2 years in and I still fail sometimes especially when there is an ad with a horrible font.

>>14857744

I had some interest in 草書 and knew that's what it was right away. Set my kanji deck in Anki set to display both regular and 草書 fonts a bit ago in the hopes that I might casually learn to recognize them, an endeavor I've mostly given up on, so I do have some exposure to it which helped a little. Still struggled with it. With the part that deviates from regular stroke order actually. It sure can look neat but it's a good thing it's mostly only used in calligraphy otherwise Japanese could be a lot more difficult.

>>14861848

マウンテンプクイチ is great. Also, nice to see a character that speaks in a non-standard dialect other than 関西弁, even if it's not constant. Really wish there was more of that in media.

>>14861848

龍が如く５ has a hostess that speaks a little 博多弁.

>>14836212

If you wanna go dick deep into weebshit, yes you'll encounter that problem. But JRPGs for children, like Pokemon, are made for Japanese children who don't know as many Kanji as adults so those kinds of JRPGs are solid

>>14868028

If the character ever uses classical Japanese it might be an abbreviation of けむ?

>>14868395

Thanks. I guess I'm going to have to do some reading about 博多弁

>>14868429

Yeah, somehow it seems it's considered by Nips to be one of the "cutest" dialects for girls to speak. Check out this video for some more dialogue examples.

Ex: ばりすいとうけん　= 大好きだから

Conversely, the manliest, is 広島弁

Is す pronounced "su", "s", or either?

I've pronounced it as su in my head, but the vocab deck I'm using does s. I've also heard し as just "sh".

>>14873851

す is su and し is shi, but in functional speech they're pronounced so fast oftentimes the final vowel can seem as if it's left off.

Think about "extraordinary" in English. Do we pronounce the "a" in "extra", or do we really say "extrodinary"?

>>14873902

>Do we pronounce the "a" in "extra", or do we really say "extrodinary"?

You're right, but that also depends on who's saying it, and with what accent and dialect. I occasionally hear British people pronounce "extraordinary" in full. Do Japanese's accent-specific slurrings affect す and し?

>>14873976

I'm not an expert on accents/dialects, but instead of pronunciation they tend to change the spelling, especially for grammar words. The pronunciation of す and し (and others) will differ from person to person just as much as English does, but it mostly hinges on speed. Phrases especially tend to be pronounced extremely quickly, think よろしくおねがいします, half the time that's said so quickly it might as well be "yorshkuongaishmas"

>>14873851

Either depending on the specific word in question.

A good rule of thumb is /i/ or /u/ between voiceless consonants are usually silent. However, this is only in standard Japanese. In other varieties, all vowels are usually pronounced

How many burgers is 5000 Yenny?

>>14875387

But is there a difference is size between an American Big Mac and a Japanese Big Mac?

There's nearly $2 difference between the prices.

>>14875387

O this is an actual economic measurement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

>>14875429

It's possible. Certain items do change substantially by nation. It's one of the limitations of the Big Mac Index, and is explained in that Wikipedia article. However, all Japanese promotional material I've seen for the Big Mac looks identical to the American Big Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index#Comparison_issues

For the purposes of Anon's question, it doesn't matter anyway, since his question doesn't require comparison across countries. Because the Big Mac is the most common burger, regardless of where you are or how it differs by region, it's the one that should be used in this particular calculation, unless he meant it as a more general question that would be better answered by averaging the price of all burgers in the country or world, which I don't have the ability to do.

https://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index

Post anime girls eating burgers.

How much sushi can I buy with 3,730,000 Yen?

>>14876053

Repetition and actual exposure. It'll stick eventually. Rather than inventing and writing down mnemonics, I find it easier to just read things and recognize the words I saw in Anki through actual context and usage.

Works for me, anyways.

>Me 2 months ago

>Learn the kana

>Me now

>Forgot the kana

Shit

>>14877316

Learning kana should take all of about 4 days, a week tops. There's also next to no chance of forgetting hiragana at least as long as you are studying absolutely anything else. Katakana can be a little harder, mainly because you don't see it nearly as often.

So in other words what your saying is you, 2 months ago, spent a few hours learning shit, and now two months later having done nothing at all with it you are surprised to find that you've forgotten it.

>doing anon's japanese learner package

>just finished Japanese the Manga Way after just under 4 weeks

<I suggest reading through each Japanese the Manga Way and Tae Kim's Guide to Learning Japanese in no less than a week and no greater than two weeks.

What the shit, did he expect you to do nothing but study Japanese all day? It took me about an hour to read and take notes on ten pages per day. That's not counting the ridiculous amount of time it would take me to do Anki reviews if I hadn't bumped it down from 20 new cards per deck every day.

>>14880184

Pace recommendations are rather silly, everyone learns at a different pace and everyone has different amounts of time to study. Don't worry about that, just focus on absorbing the material you're reading thoroughly.

Just about everyone bumps Anki reviews down from 20, it's way too high for a vocab deck, though it's alright if you're just doing a kana deck or something similar.

>>14880184

Those recommendations are kinda bullshit in my opinion, unless you actually are just studying all day every day which isn't going to be most people. I think the point is to not get stuck in a grammar guide for too long since you won't really "get it" until you see it a lot in native material. Go at a pace that works for you and doesn't get you burned out while still making consistent progress.

>>14880184

I think it's counterproductive to read the special expressions and advanced topics before having a minimal amount of vocab and reading practice. You won't understand a bit of it, so you will just forget it.

>doing it in two weeks

I'd be a dead man if I tried that. Two weeks is enough to mostly learn kana.

How do you pronounce ら　り　る　れ　ろ　more authentically? Are there any good exercises for it? I can only seem to pronounce it as an english 'R' or a Malay rolled 'R'.

たすけてください！

>>14881316

You know how people use English 'R's to represent 'L' sounds when they're doing a shitty impression of a Japanese person who speaks English? You know, shit like, "do u rike it :^)"? Well, it's cause that shitty stereotype is based on some degree of reality. Japanese doesn't have L sounds, so Japs who try to learn English will often try and use the R sounds to make L sounds in English.

Point is, the Japanese 'R's are kinda soft, like a mix between a hard English 'R' and a soft 'L' sound. Instead of:

Ra Ri Ru Re Ro

Try:

La Li Lu Le Lo fuck you I'm being serious

As you can see, you sort of flick your tongue on the roof of your mouth to make it only slightly sharper. You want to try and make your R's soft, or devoiced. At least, this is how I do it.

Has anyone here passed JLPT N1? What was your score?

I just heard that it's particularly more difficult to have a good score in the reading section since the grading method was different.

>>14880184

>>14880298

It took me 6 months to learn Kana and 1 full year learning every lesson of Tae Kim's guide from Chapter 1 to 5 when I was in high school. The learning pace of each person does vary.

>>14880184

I happen to be working through the exact same thing right now. Yes, doing The Manga Way in 2 weeks is difficult. Took me about an hour to read ~10 pages as well. Between that and Anki I had to average about 4-5 hours a day. Tae Kim's is a lot easier especially since literally half the book is repeated vocab you can skim over and the pages are shorter, scheduled to finish that tomorrow (70 pages to go).

Two things about pacing. One, if you go too fast or too slow you won't remember shit. Two, if you take the kind of time this guy >>14882531 took you'll be dead before you can read simple manga. Following the guide to the letter gives you a schedule so you know exactly where you should be after a given time. It's intended to get you somewhere useful within half a year and get you reasonably proficient in a single year, so that's much more compressed and harder work than normal

>>14882716

One other thing to keep in mind about the anki learner package guide, you are NOT intended to remember everything from those two books the first time you read it. Read the books carefully, taking notes is great but not required. Try to understand what they are saying but don't worry too much about memorizing every detail. You are going to be repeating each lesson at least 4 different ways, with the last being Anki-based spaced repetition. You WILL learn it eventually, learning the first time is not required.

>>14881316

Just learn Spanish.

>>14886837

>in fact, a paper confirms that young women tend to pronounce /r/ as "l" more frequently

>I've sounded like a faggot this whole time

Well fuck me. Thanks for the info. I guess I need to listen more. At least I haven't embarrassed myself by sounding like a faggot in front of others because I don't have anyone to speak with

>>14887753

I'm kinda in the same boat anon. I think I may have a slightly warped sense of what some Japanese noises sound like since most of what I watch/listen to is from females. しょうがない。

Unusual question: Can "食べる" be used for oral sex on a female like "eat" can in English?

>>14894052

I mean, I think you'd be understood but in all the ecchi VN's I've played they tend to use 舐める

>>14894052

In my experience, it almost never is.

>>14895469

>almost

Explain.

>>14895515

You can find examples of 食べる being used that way if you check a search engine, but I can't remember actually seeing that expression used in any lewd games or manga.

>>14895568

yeah, I think so at least

what are some good jap shopping games??

>>14896636

amazon.co.jp :^)

The "visualizing japanese grammar" deck in the "Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package", does anyone know how it's supposed to be configured? For some reason it sets itself as the default deck with the name "default" and default settings (also it can't be deleted normally). I gather from the readme it's supposed to show 3 cards per day (says there's 66 cards and it should take 22 days to get through), but I'm not sure how the progression is supposed to be. I highly doubt you are supposed to watch the same video 10 minutes later.

>>14895568

No, because Roll is too pure.

>>14895568

As >>14894935 mentioned, though you can use 食べる, you might be better off with 舐める for whatever it is you're doing. I also think that を（食べ・舐め）られるの（は・が） would probably be better than what you have. Just to make it known though, production isn't really my strong suit.

>>14897887

You need to repeat grammar the same way you do vocab. If all you've got is Tae Kim you are going to have to read that book a dozen times over in a span of a couple months. It'd probably be better to read multiple different sources on grammer instead though. The result is the same, repeating lessons over and over again until you know it by heart.

>>14882531

I am playing Cardfight Vanguard Ride to Victory on Citra Or at least I was until I became too busy to play for now. I would recommend it. It has furigana and most conversations are pretty simple. It is cool when you learn the patterns of the card effects and start reading them by heart. It doesn't require a strong PC to emulate and you can even up the resolution to read better. You might want to disable "Enable Hardware Shaders". Though I am recommending Vanguard, I am sure there would be similar easy to pick up games for the 3ds. I should research this in a month or so.

>>14897941

I'm not sure it would be very productive to read the same grammar book over and over a dozen times, unless you're actively reading a lot of native material along with it. Going through multiple sources can be helpful since you're getting the information presented in multiple ways, and there may be unique stuff in each guide.

>>14873851

it is never [s] but it might sound like it is to you, and it isn't just す it's every kana for a voiceless kana with /u/ or /i/.

/u/ is normally [ɰᵝ], but when it comes right after a voiceless consonant (/p/ [f] /t/ /s/ [tɕ] [ɕ] /k/ or /h/] and also before one of them or the end of an utterance, it is pronounced [ɰᵝ] (the ring below meaning that it is silent, think whispered). The Same goes for /i/ which becomes [ɨ] in that environment. However, this is a matter your accent; these sounds cannot differentiate words and you will be understood whether you do this accurately or not.

>>14900208

It's roughly as productive as reading the same anki cards a dozen times. You lose a bit of the timing structure, but the idea is that if you want to remember something you NEED repetition.

>>14881316

in most environments, it should sound like [ɾ], that is, an alveolar flap, like a Spanish "single-r" or in English the flapped allophones of /t/ and /d/ (as in "odder" pronounced [ˈɑɾɚ]). Things to watch out for is that English /r/ is very strongly labialized (rounded lips) and may be pharyngealizes [ɹʷˁ]. The former causes many Japanese speakers to confuse English /r/ with /w/.

Before /i/ and /j/, it is [l], exactly the same as English /l/ at the beginning of a syllable (and Japanese [l] can't be anywhere but the beginning of a syllable except in maybe some loan words so that's all you need).

>>14900447

I keep forgetting that posting strips most combining diacritics, I'll try and use more modifiers instead in the future but the voiceless [ɰᵝ] and [ɨ] have a ring below them and the [ɰᵝ] has a bar through it.

>>14897350

All Tales localizations are horrible. They deliberately make all the dialogue as cheesy and cringeworthy as possible.

>>14901239

>deliberately

I don't know anything about them personally, but I'm willing to bet that you're hugely overvaluing the caliber of people involved there.

How many new cards per day is good for vocab and/or Kanji? 20 was way too much so I turned new cards off for a while, and then put it back to 10 once I had it under control. Now they're starting to pile up again and it takes an hour to finish one. Would 5 be too low?

>>14902233

for me even 5 is too many…

>>14902233

I just use a vocab deck and have it at 10. How many decks are you using?

>>14902233

I'm going by the learner package guide, so I've got 20 vocab, 10 kanji, and currently 3 grammar videos, with 10 grammar cards per day starting when I finish the video set. I spend about 2-2.5 hours per day in anki. Both the Kanji and the Vocab deck have plateaued. I get about 120 total vocab cards and 60 total kanji cards every day, which basically means that I need to see each card roughly 6 days to learn it.

>>14904324

Vocab and Kanji.

>>14905308

That's the thing, I don't want to spend that long each day. I've set kanji to 5 and vocab to 10 for now.

>>14902233

I was doing 10 vocab and 5 kanji respectively. At about 3800/1500 now, but right now I'm taking a few weeks to wheedle down my daily review count becauase 170/70 every day was just a bit too much for me.

>>14905308

>>14905341

Maybe my goal is different than everyone else's? In 1 year I'd like to have accomplished something actually useful. In 3 I'd like to have pretty much mastered everything I need for my purposes. This is not a permanent long term study for me to pick up a few things, this is my primary goal for the next few years.

>>14905366

Everyone want to have "accomplished something useful" within a year. Everyone's mileage pertaining to that varies, and oftentimes for factors out of their control.

>>14905366

>In 3 I'd like to have pretty much mastered everything I need for my purposes.

If you can do it without living in Japan for 3 years, or learning for at least 20 hours every day, I want to hear your story.

Today is my 1 year anniversary of intensive studying. I've been doing 5+ hours per day, every day without fail and I can now read ~1200 kanji and I can into basic grammar. I've mostly focused on kanji though so there's that. It's definitely not easy and it's very time-consuming.

>>14905423

Yep that's exactly what I'm doing. Being able to play JRPGs or read manga targetted at younger audiences with some difficulty (looking up a word or two per page vs looking up every word, for example) is where I hope to be in a year. I'm sticking to the 20 cards, plus simultainious grammar, kanji and other practices.

In 3 years I hope to be able to play more advanced games with almost no lookup and only a bit slower than I would for english. I also hope to be able to understand spoken japanese well enough to watch unsubbed anime, though I have my doubts as to whether that will really be possible.

>>14905413

Congrats anon. You study kanji 5 hours a day though? Why?

>>14905442

It won't take you 3 years to understand unsubbed anime, especially if it's SOL-type stuff with simple, everyday vocab. Anime characters tend to speak slower and much clearer than actual people, so understanding anime is much simpler than understanding a TV series or movie.

>>14905459

Sounds great. I don't really believe you right now, but I'm going to try anyway. Not into SOL stuff though unfortunately. I might have to accept watching it just for the practice, but for now my minimum requirement is basically "it has a plot".

If I can get to where I can watch the anime I want and play the videogames I want without the fact that it's japanese getting in the way of enjoying it, I will have accomplished my goal. Talking or listening to actual people is not in my 3 year plan.

>>14905452

No, I study in general for a lot. Kanji studies can vary between 30m and over an hour depending on how my SRS schedule aligns. I've read Japanese The Manga Way twice now and I also do a lot of miscellaneous study (play vidya, translate music lyrics etc.)

>>14905452

>>14905413

How can you spend 5+ hours per day primarily on kanji and only know 1200 of them in a year? That's only 3.3 kanji per day average. Currently I'm finding it only takes around 30-45 minutes to do 10 per day (vocab is the larger time consumer), in a year I should be able to write over 3000 kanji from keywords in a fraction of the time.

>>14905491

Well there's a huge difference between just ticking them off on a SRS program like Anki and actually knowing them for one. Secondly, the time is really divided between vocab, SRS, reading and listening.

>>14905488

Oh, the "mainly focused on kanji" made it sound like you weren't investing much time in the other stuff, which would get pretty boring I'd think if that was the case.

>>14905497

>between just ticking them off on a SRS program like Anki and actually knowing them for one

I really don't write down that many kanji, only the ones I have difficulty reading initially. The meaning(s), however, is something you barely have to learn and will become obvious the more you see them in usage and know what compounds they make out.

That said you're really bloating that figure by reading and listening, since you can do those pretty naturally just by lazying around playing vidya.

>>14905512

I don't write many of them down, but I do look up at least a dozen sentences per kanji, as well as collocations (which I believe are the best way to drill meanings into your mind). Usually what happens is that in some of thsoe sentences I'll see some stuff I haven't seen before (be it vocabulary and grammar) and I can spend a lot of time on a single sentence.

>>14905442

I feel like those are pretty do-able goals even without such a rigorous schedule, provided you're not wasting too much time on bad practices. But the faster you can get to being able to read, the easier and more fun it is to further learn the language. Then you can just play eroge for 8 hours and call it a study session. Just be careful not to burn yourself out.

>>14905747

It is good for memorization, which is why I do it with some I struggle with.

It's also a complete waste of time and your brain will forget about stroke order sooner than later as you're not handwriting shit daily, and unless you're blind or in your first 2 months of learning you can make out the radicals in kanji at a glance and differentiate/memorize them visually through usual SRS repetition.

>>14905747

I exclusively do written input because it helps me memorize the kanji for reading.

>>14905747

Personally, I used to do this a long time ago and it did work, but as soon as I stopped repeating the older ones I'd forget them after a while.

Sometimes I'd write a single kanji over an entire sheet of paper and still not remember it if I was doing it mechanically without thinking about it.

I'm trying out a new method with using the kanji I want to remember in actual sentences that I write myself, so my mind is actually focused on the task at hand.

Vid related gave the idea.

Also, the stroke order is important, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but it becomes intuitive once you've gone over hundreds of them.

>>14839048

>Nigga Elona+ is full weeb autism.

Elona is a Japanese game which means it can't be weeb, and autism is a 4chan meme with no basis in reality.

Is there an exercise to help me learn the -te form or should I just grab random verbs and change them on my own?

>>14907691

>>14907691

the te form is the same as past tense, but change the "a" to "e"

>>14907691

Look for namasensei's te-form video.

To summarise, for U-verbs:

クーいて、ぐいで、うつるーって、ぬむぶーんで、すーして。

Left side is the ending, right side is what you replace that character with.

Keep in mind RU-verbs just replace the る with て

>>14908073

Sorry that first ク should be く. Not sure how katakana got in there.

>>14907691

You'll just have to deal with not knowing shit for awhile (sometimes a long while). It can be frustrating, but it's also really rewarding when you get the point you can read something for awhile and understand it all. Like I'm re-reading a manga now that I read last year and I'm shocked at how much easier it is now. Before it would take me forever to get through a 5-6 page chapter because I had to look so much up. Now I can go way faster and understand almost all of it with no outside help. Just keep up the grind.

>>14907691

https://steven-kraft.com/projects/japanese/

This has practice for several different conjugations.

>>14905747

I find writing characters down just once during review is usually good enough to provide a memory boost in kanji recognition for me. Go with two or three times if I struggle to recall a character and if I confuse two characters, I write both out a couple times, vocally stressing their differences as I do.

>>14907052

I don't hand-write full sentences very often but sometimes instead of just writing single kanji, I'll write words that use them. Usually jukugo as it's typically for kanji review that I'm writing.

>>14911178

Yeah I went through this shit learning french in school. Shit is so fun at first as you quickly learn all the simple things. Then it takes a toll on you when you know enough to start reading. You constantly have to look shit up and you read at a snails pace. It make you feel like you know nothing and haven't made any progress.

>>14914352

Japanese is almost the opposite, it's a slow grind and somewhat difficult to learn all the basics, then once you try to apply them and read you still don't really know what you're doing, but it quickly becomes fun once you can read at a basic level since there's a wealth of media you can consume.

>>14914403

So at what point do you think you've learned enough of the basics to start reading. Ideally it would be at a point where you can get something out of the reading other than pure frustration.

Personally I'm following the anki learner package guide, so I'll be trying to read some basic manga (as recommended by the guide I assume for appropriate learning level) starting at about month 3. Right now it's more useful as something to look forward to rather than something to burn out trying.

>>14919483

You've learned enough to start reading when you try to read something and can understand it, even though it's difficult. There's no set point at which each person can start reading. It definitely takes a while to switch from just studying to reading, but it's very exciting to do it.

>>14919736

Besides studying Anki? that's pretty much your only option. Either you try to learn while reading or you study words by themselves, probably both

>>14919736

おとこのこ=young boy

based on this you should be able to figure it out.

As for the vocab, once I had a decent reading level (able to read a good number of games/manga) I dropped anki and decided to learn via the "look up words every second" all the time method. It's worked for me but it's slow, I personally view it as the comfy method but if you want to learn quickly and not be looking stuff up all the time you'd better get going on anki.

does anyone know if (standard) Japanese speakers who weaken word internal /g/ (I.e. those that could pronounce 禿 as [haŋe] or [haɣe]) ever pronounce particle が as [ŋa] or [ɣa] or suffix ば as [βa]?

>>14919736

>I just wanna chill and occasionally look up words not look up words every over second.

Just do that sometimes then. You don't have to look up every single word to get enjoyment out of a lot of games. Go off context when you can, look up stuff that's necessary to the objective, that you notice frequently reoccurring or that you just want to look up and don't be afraid to just skip over hard lines. You still pick up new words but it feels like less of a chore so you can keep at it longer or still get into it when you don't want to do more intensive study. Lets you get some practice in for those times where you can't look stuff up too which is good.

>>14921104

I know for certain that the particle が is commonly pronounced as /ŋa/. I've heard it countless times. No sure about the others though.

A small question: Can someone tell me what the difference between 作製and 製作 is supposed to be? They have the exact same translation in Anki.

>>14923824

I found some Japanese articles on this. If I'm reading them correctly, they have a pretty similar meaning but 作製 applies to smaller things than 製作 can, as in the size of objects being made. Also interesting, 制作 and 製作 seem to have similar meanings, but 制作 refers to the creative aspects of production while 製作 is for the more mechanical acts of production (printing books for example, and not writing them).

>>14924815

Use http://pooi.moe/Locale-Emulator/

>>14926543

thats the one I was using in the pic actually

>>14926553

Well fuck, try changing the timezone too.

>>14924815

>>14926553

Don't use a locale emulator. Change your system locale.

>>14926563

It didnt work even after changing the system locale manually

I dont know why win10 is so fucking unwilling to play nice

>>14926621

Good reason not to ever use wangblows 10.

>>14926621

>2009 game

Sometimes happens. Sumaga, for example, doesn't work at all in W10. The compatibility is all over the place, since sometimes older shit like Otome Crisis and Littlewitch's entire collection do run flawlessly, and then you also have relatively recent shit like Noratoto not work without an officially released patch to fix issues. >>14927668 is right, keep a W7 partition for older eroge you're not sure will work on botnet10.

Having a problem with Anki, the sound broke. It was working perfectly fine yesterday, now I get no audio on anything for any of my decks. I think maybe something broke when I was using the visualizing japanese grammar videos.

>>14923824

https://chigai-allguide.com/%E5%88%B6%E4%BD%9C%E3%81%A8%E8%A3%BD%E4%BD%9C%E3%81%A8%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%90%E3%81%A8%E4%BD%9C%E8%A3%BD%E3%81%A8%E8%A3%BD%E9%80%A0/

According to this source:

>製作は、 実用的な物品、 器具など、 ものを作ることや、その作ったものの意味で用いられる。

製作: Used to mean the making of practical goods, devices, etc., or the things made.

>作製は、 品物 ・ 機械 ・ 図面など、 ものを作ることで、 製作とほぽ同意。

作製: Making things such as goods, machines, blueprints, etc. Almost the same meaning as 製作

>>14929708

Seems to be it's just refusing to send audio to my headphones. It works when I set something else as a default audio device, and everything else works on the headphones. No idea what's going on.

Apparently Anki uses MPlayer for its audio as can be seen from my volume mixer, which still responds as if there is sound coming from the program, I'm just not hearing anything.

>>14930094

>>14926496

Thank you guys. I wonder if the japanese actually care about the small differences in the meaning of those words, or if they are mostly used interchangeable.

>mostly reading LNs because they work the best with rikai* addons and automatic card creation

Why am I so lazy when it comes to manually looking up kanji and adding cards

It keeps me from playing nip games

>>14930819

Just go through the core6k/10k deck then, That way you won't have to manually add every second word you read.

At least I think so, it will still take 5 years or so before I finish core6k

>>14932048

僕 isn't exclusively male, it just doesn't sound quite as girly as other words.

>>14932096

The second one

>>14932103

I thought it was just for males.

>>14931960

You haven't seen suffering yet. Just wait until you get to the point that you can understand games completely and then realize it doesn't matter because more and more Japanese devs are self-censoring their domestic releases to pander to western tastes. With western localization getting its tentacles into even devs like Illusion, Kiss, and Alicesoft, not even the porn will be safe for long.

>>14932216

It's not just for males, however, in real speech (not video games) it seems uncommon for women to use it. If someone is trying to sound girly they'll say わたし or あたし

>>14933876

Supposedly, わたし/私 is neutral, あたし is VERY feminine (to the point that girls often avoid it too), and ぼく/僕 is only mildly masculine. 僕 should therefor be acceptable for girls to use if they don't want or need to keep up feminine appearances at the time.

Do you guys prefer to listen to audiobooks or podcasts when you're doing listening practice?

I've been using podcasts recently and I'm wondering if training my ear for that type of speech will limit my long term learning compared to audiobooks since they have more vocabulary.

Also if anyone is interested in podcasts, check out ベーサイ, their podcasts go back over 10 years so you're never gonna be short of passive listening if you're trying AJATT.

>>14936831

Just my opinion, but I think that any listening is good listening. Obviously, you want to listen to native speakers who know how to properly enunciate and who use the correct inflections on words. Aside from that, I don't think it really matters as long as you can recognize what you've heard.

I listen to lewd ASMR files, raw anime with Japanese subtitles, and the shit I find on the Netflix.

>>14936831

I prefer less scripted speech. I have some trouble finding enough enjoyable content of that nature though so I kind of neglect listening practice. Sometimes watch or listen to miscellaneous people on Twitch or Youtube but I've found like all of 2 people that I kind of like to watch. There is some podcast type stuff I like but nothing that long or that's necessarily easy to find downloads for.

>>14941195

Tae Kim's guide says "used primarily by males", Japanese The Manga Way points out when talking about gendered particles and other words that women can use more masculine terms when talking to themselves or in extremely casual settings.

I would pretty much imagine that a girl using 僕 is about as appropriate as using "guys" to refer to an all-female group. It's technically wrong by definition but it gets done anyway.

>>14941245

It's more than a technicality. It's girls deliberately asserting masculinity.

>>14941245

https://hinative.com/ja/questions/540039

Here's an interesting thread on the subject. Nips are all saying its fucking weird and they can count the number of girls they met in real life that do this on one hand.

>人生で数人しか僕を使う女の人を見たことがありません。正直言うと、個人の自由ですが変に感じてしまいます。

>I've met only few girls who used 僕 and it's weird.

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8788760.html

This is a thread about the psychology of girls that use 僕 that also lists other potential reasons.

>１）＜父親(男性の養育者)が男の子の誕生を望んでいた。または、男の子が優遇されていたり一目置かれている立場の家庭で育った。＞

1)<The father (man who raised her) wanted to have a boy. Or, she was raised in a family where boys were given preferential treatment and acknowledged as superior.>

A complex that stems from jealousy of "male privilege" and therefore wanting to be a boy, or daddy issues.

>２）＜女の子らしくすることに抵抗がある。性別に囚われたくない。＞

< She has a resistance to acting like a girl. She doesn't want to be bound by gender. >

Feminist bullshit.

３）＜宝塚の男性役のトップスターのような人に憧れている。または、身近にボーイッシュで格好良い人がいる。＞

< She admires someone like Takaratsuka's top male stars. Or there is a cool boyish person near by. > In this case, the girl is acting boyish to become closer to the one she likes.

>４）＜持ち物からファッション、習い事と、様々な事柄において女の子らしさを養育者から押し付けられて来た為、「反発心から」自分のことを“僕”と呼ぶようになった。＞

4) Girl was raised to be girly in all aspects, but she is deliberately rebelling by calling herself "僕".

>５）＜照れ隠し。自分で自分を僕と呼ぶことで、自分とは別人格がやったことのように思えるから。＞

5) Hiding her embarrassment. By calling herself 僕 she creates a different personality, and so she can blame shit that she did on it instead of herself.

TLDR: according to Nips, 僕 girls are fucking weird, they have psychological problems, daddy issues, envy of "male privilege", they're pozzed feminist types. Or maybe they just try to act like boys to emulate some boy that they like. Either way, yeah, not exactly normal. I'd guess that it's 99% a distortion caused by the American introduction of feminism to Japan during the occupation.

>>14932048

Using ぼく in lyrics is different from conversational use. It has a different flow from わたし (note the difference in character count) which is quite important for lyric timing. Singers do it all the time. Embed related.

>>14941433

Another thing about lyrics especially in anime and videogames is they are often sung from the perspective of someone other than the actual singer, ie they can be from the point of view of one of the main characters who might be opposite gender. Here's a pretty good example of that, or at least the popular theory is that this song comes from 9S perspective.

>>14941245

Girls using masculine pronouns are noticeably weird, it's not normal at all. There's terms about them like 僕っ子 and 俺っ子. It's unexpected for girls to use them in daily speech normally.

Songs or manga are exceptions, a girl might use 俺 primarily but she could also be the leader of a biker gang, either is unlikely in real life.

Interesting points on the pronoun discussion. I think >>14941433 and >>14941557 seem to make sense as far as songs go. I can understand that since they already differ from normal speech in many other ways too.

Does anyone have a not fucked up version of the readme in anon's package? Mine has broken japanese characters, and it seems to affect important information.

>Your last card will be "<87><87> <82>¸<82>Â" and the first card of the next section will be "<87><86><82> <82>Ü<82>è". You are not starting this yet.

>>14961621

You probably just need to open it in a text editor that can show those symbols. Here is a pastebin though: https://pastebin.com/uN2fMKRX

>>14968727

Thanks mate.

>>14836107

Maybe a retarded question, but what is the difference in words like 帰り and 帰る? I've seen words that end in り which have slightly different meanings than ones that are the same except for ending in る.

>>14970249

Some verbs can create a noun from what is sometimes called their stem or pre-masu stem. You'll learn about this later whenever you get to conjugations and other verb grammar, but this is an example of that.

帰る - to return/go home/etc. (verb)

帰り - a return (noun)

This isn't the only use you'll see for this form, but it is pretty common.

Is it rude to try and use Japanese phrases if you don't actually know Japanese? Especially in romaji. Not for wabbo reasons but solely for the purpose of communicating to your team. I often see Japanese play on US west coast servers and they and I both know what "matte kudasai" means, but they might not know what "please wait" means.

>>14974338

who gives a fuck if you're being rude in an online game?

>>14961621

Your last card will be "㊦ ずつ" and the first card of the next section will be "㊥ あまり". You are not starting this yet

It doesn't really matter if you know what it says there though. The grammar.apkg is already set up for you with only the first 203 cards visible and the remaining 1055 suspended. If those cards are NOT suspended you might need to know where to stop, but that would be hard enough even if you don't have a problem with the readme.

>>14975284

If people have even the slightest thought that you might have been even a little rude they throw.

Will the end of net neutrality affect the djt guide or manga repository in any way?

>>14977303

Yeah, don't you remember what a dystopian hellscape the Internet was prior to 2015? We're all fucking doomed.

All right, I'm trying to write a mail to the dumbasses running Sega about Denuvo.

I'd like you to rate my email and see if something is wrong.

お世話になっております。

私は欧米のプレイヤでございます。

戦場のヴァルキュリア４のPCポートを感謝いたします。

ありがとうございます。

このメールの目的は「Denuvo」という戦場のヴァルキュリア４のコピープロテクションの悪い点を話します。

最初、Denuvoを使用するから、PCの処理能力が弱くになります、ゲームの効率が重る事になります。

次に、DenuvoはPCプレイヤのプライバシーを守りません。DenuvoはしょっちゅうにPCの固定ディスクをスキャンします。

最後に、Denuvoはインターネットの接続がありませんから、ゲームを起動しません。プレイ中にインターネットの接続が遮断されました、Denuvoはすぐにゲームを止まります。

この理由から、大勢のPCプレイヤはDenuvoがあるのゲームを買うのは嫌です。

戦場のヴァルキュリア４からDenuvoを除いてください。

今後ともどうぞよろしくお願いいたします。

>>14984527

That is fucking weird why not include Japanese text?

>>14984672

A lot of games do it, I believe it's to prevent japs from getting the game from steam cheaper and not having to pay inflated console prices in Japan.

>>14984774

Yep, that's the reason.

このスレッドはゲイたちでいっぱいだ。 無残だ!

>>14984774

But some companies have started putting up games that have everything included like Bamco and Capcom with RE7.

>>14985193

Yeah, it's not for all games but quite a few of the bigger companies do it. Hopefully more and more will include the original text.

>>14985535

I expect, or at least hope, that the nips are already fighting it on their own because they don't like the price gouging. I know corporate dicksucking is endemic over there but I wouldn't expect that to apply so much to otaku or to people who don't work for that particular company.

>>14983904

I'm just going to better a few parts to my ability.

>Denuvoを使用するから、PCの処理能力が弱くになります、ゲームの効率が重る事になります。

使用すると～弱くなり、ゲームの動作が重くなります。

>しょっちゅうにPCの

しょっちゅうPCの

>接続がありませんから、ゲームを起動しません。

接続がない場合には、ゲームを起動できません。

>接続が遮断されました、Denuvoはすぐにゲームを止まります。

接続が切断されると、Denuvoはすぐにゲームを無理矢理終了させます。

>この理由から、大勢のPCプレイヤはDenuvoがあるのゲームを買うのは嫌です。

以上の理由がある から or のため、～を買わないようにします

I also think です>ございます and that you can drop the ありがとう since you already gave them the 感謝. I still think there's parts that don't sound as natural as they could, but it should be fine.

>>14984527

>no nip interface or subtitles

What the actual fuck?

So, thanks to E3 we now know Japan is lost.Why am I learning moon again?

>>14989342

1. There are still older games to play in Nip.

2. There are things other than vidya to enjoy in Nip.

3. It's fun.

I'm not sure what you are even referring to either since I didn't watch any E3. It's all just marketing to sell hype.

>>14989170

>弱くになり、ゲームの動作が重くになります

You don't need a に after conjugating i-adjectives to adverbs.

>Denuvoがあるのゲーム

Don't need the の, a verb phrase can be used to directly describe a noun like an adjective.

That's all I noticed after another quick glance-over.

>>14989448

Capcom making a character with an ugly face is nothing new they've been doing it since 2005. It's why they've been slowly been going bankrupt since then. DOA6 is just the same director as DOA5 who tried to get it picked up by tourneyfags. It will bomb just as hard as DOA5 did and they will probably 180 on it. Hopefully the guy gets fucking fired this time.

>>14989170

Yeah, but Sega also is realizing Yakuza with full Japanese interface. So what gives? Why the inconsistency? I won't ever purchase a PS4, and I don't want to play some shit localized version, so I guess I won't ever play it and that's that. Bummer. I liked the first game ,too.

I keep struggling with 下りる、下る、下り、下がる and 下げる. I know all of them have to do with "down" in some way and I've managed to memorize the pronunciations (お、くだ、さ) but I just can't seem to remember the difference between the meanings. Anki isn't very helpful in covering the actual differences either so all I can do is try to memorize the different synonyms it gives me.

>>14994216

You're supposed to look up sentences that use these words and notice how they're used in different contexts. That's the only way you will really learn. Anki is only good for learning words in isolation, you won't get context from it.

>無理矢理に部屋に入ろうとしている。

>He is attempting to force his way into the room.

What does the first に do? Also する is in the ている form here because he's still trying to force his way into the room, right? Here's how I see it.

>foricibly (に) room (<direction<) enter (attempts to and still is attempting to)

>>14999436

The first に is probably an adverbial form. If that's the case, then I guess that means both にs effectively modify the verb, which makes sense as "forcibly" (note: ly) should modify "enter" and not "room".

>>14990872

She is the first Capcom character who is a SanFran legbeard with a texas accent. She is hairdye away being the people we all got accoustomed to arguing with on Twitter.

Can't learn, yada, yada…

>>15009886

But it's not too hard to get started, etc, etc

>>15009938

I was just bumping the thread.

>>15009946

Then you do this

ブンプ

>>15009946

whoops, can't see page numbers on clover

>>15015187

The circle is the same as how we use asterisks to censor words in English. It means P*ssy.

>>15015187

Looks like a censorship symbol because its definitely not a valid character.

>>15015200

Forgot to mention, the character being censored is ン.

>>15015208

>>15015200

>>15015216

Oh that makes perfect sense, I feel like an idiot now. Thank you. All I got when I searched for circles was something called Ensō. I know the word オマンコ but seeing a circle threw me for a loop.

>skip three days of anki

I've learned my lesson

>>15015815

How bad was it?

>>15016193

Not bad compared to some people here probably but it took me a few hours

>>15015815

The way I see it, if I miss even one day I'm probably never going to be able to pick back up. Not just because of the extra workload but a lot of my drive comes from strict scheduling.

Well anons, I'm going to be unable to study or have any exposure to Japanese for 2 straight months. I really hope I don't forget too much, I'm definitely going to be reading like a madman once I'm able to again.

DO YOUR REPS

>>15000464

>>14993319

my guess is PC gaming is less popular in Japan and they are simply just uploading the English version of the game on steam viewing it as an English platform

this is the kind of thing where we would need the Nips to argue for it

>>15018191

I don't really see how that could be unless you're joining some cult or something that doesn't allow items from the outside world. Bring a book with you. Read on a cellphone. Listen to music or other stuff on a music player. It shouldn't be difficult to find something.

What's the Nipponese word for "knighted"? What's it called when someone is made into a Samurai?

>>15018191

You're gonna forget a lot

>>15019526

Maybe going to jail? That's about the only thing I could think of that would force you to go without any phones or books for months

>>15019850

You don't get to become a samurai, you're either born as one or you're not.

If there is a proper word for when one begins their period of service, I can't find it.

騎士になる might be good enough, but it's pretty basic.

騎士にとして勤める might also work if you want to say "to serve as a knight," which might actually be better.

>>15020060

in most jails (and prisons as well), you're able to have books of your choosing delivered to you if folks on the outside buy them and drop them off/send them to the jail.

additionally, jails themselves always have a library, altho 99% of the books there are trash.

>>15020089

> you're either born as one or you're not.

That's the normal expectation, but there's enough exceptions (mostly under Nobunaga) I'd expect some kind of phrase for it.

>>15018191

That's pretty much going to obliterate your last 6 months of learning at least. If you haven't already been going at least a year you might as well just quit now.

Is there anything worth emulating on an android emulator? I'm talking about basic shit that would be fun

>>15020586

I don't know about emulation but I'm just playing idol games on my phone.

>>15020089

「騎士にとして勤める」はカタコトだよ。Doesn't even make sense. The combination of particles にと never occurs in the Japanese language. The actual phrase for being knighted in Japanese is ナイト爵に叙される。For example, "to be knighted by the English queen" is イギリス女王よりナイト爵に叙される。

>>15018336

So you're saying the English versions of Yakuza can normally be completely toggled into Japanese?

I saw 解る used in a song today, and after looking it up I found out it is an alternate writing for 分かる. From my experience using 分 or just writing わかる out in kana seems much more common. I've seen other words with alternate kanji/writing options like 会う・逢う and so on, but I was wondering if there was any common opinion on using the less common versions of words. Do Japanese find it odd or have any specific reaction to seeing things like this? Like how a person using a less common English synonym in casual conversation could sound odd or even cunty. Are the alternate writings even fully interchangeable? Is it different for different words?

>>15026622

The more you get into the language the more you'll find alternate writings for words that are far less common, but generally have their own meaning in context, and thus aren't really interchangeable. An example is 守る and 護る, 目 and 眼, or 船 and 舟. To really know what they mean just look them up in a dictionary. It's not that odd, although it's usually not language you'd use in common conversations.

>>15026690

>>15026801

Thanks, that all makes sense.

>>15031736

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to try and improve this situation from the inside. After becoming fluent of course (so it's a pipedream already), get hired to one of the shittier localizes and do everything in my power to make what they output better. I'd have to hide my power level and there's only so much I can do personally, but I would also have the opportunity to see exactly where and why others were changing things and if I couldn't fix it directly I could maybe anonymously release a fan-retranslation for those exact scenes rather than the whole game

I know one person short of the CEO could never make a company like NISA good, but I think the right people on the ground floor could secretly make it a lot better, and that's a lot more likely than just hoping it goes away.

>>15032862

If you end up doing this, don't go native.

>>15032862

The way it's talked about it sounds like actual translators have pretty much no input on the final script. They probably translate the whole thing and pass it off to the editors and writers. That is probably who does most of the changes.

>>15032967

I don't know, it doesn't look like >>15031736 has seen an editor's input at all ever. Even the most SJW of them would have to notice the japanese stuck in the English script. Even so if the translators themselves are doing a fine job all they really need to do is leak the unedited script for some fan to patch in after the fact.

>>15032986

>Even so if the translators themselves are doing a fine job all they really need to do is leak the unedited script for some fan to patch in after the fact.

If you constantly leak translation scripts outside of the corporation you will probably soon have a really hard time finding a job again, I can imagine.

On occasion, I'll see a vocab word in Anki and remember a synonym instead of what's printed on the card. For example, I might think Ability or Capacity when I see 能力, when the word on the card is Capability. Do I need the exact word, or is the equivalent meaning enough?

>>15036194

Words convey concepts; it's more important to understand what they word is trying to convey than it is to attribute to it an equivalent in another language. Simply put, as long as you can understand the general concept that the word is trying to convey, and more importantly, how that word is used in a wider grammatical context, you're golden. Of course, it helps if you remember the exact meaning on the card.

I usually grade each card on three categories:

>recognition

Have I seen this group of characters together before? I assess this without taking the other two elements into consideration. For instance, you might see 出 in another word that you already know. Later, when I am familiar with a word, I extend this to mean, "Do I recognize this specific word?" If the answer is "yes" then I consider this a positive.

>pronunciation

Do I know how to pronounce this word? Pronunciation is half the battle for me most of the time, often times I will recognize the word and even comprehend it, but I'll have trouble recalling how to pronounce it. I usually grade myself harshly if I can't pronounce the word, so even if I get the other two elements, I'll force myself to review the card again if I can't pronounce it correctly.

>comprehension

Do I know what this word means? In my opinion, this is less important than the other two. This is simply because I believe that, with continued exposure, you'll eventually absorb the word's meaning and how it's used simply through observation alone.

Order of importance is Recognition > Pronunciation > Comprehension, but they're all important. You should make an effort to understand every aspect of the word. As long as your synonym can clearly convey what the word in question is supposed to mean, then you're fine in my opinion.

>>14836107

Stroke order is not important. Fake and gay.

everything else is good advice

>>15036409

From what I've heard, it's apparently needed to look up kanji with radicals in dictionaries but idk.

>>15036792

Every resource I've read that is supposed to teach kanji all say stroke order is important. I have no idea why though.

>>15036409

>>15036792

>>15036836

Stroke order is fucking important. If you don't know the stroke order, then you don't know how to write. It's that simple. Why? It's because Kanji are complex looking symbols, and the stroke order helps maintain their legibility. Although you can create Kanji without following the stroke order, the lack of form will more often than not make them appear indecipherable. Same goes for Kana, although they're obviously not as complex as some Kanji can be.

>>15036872

It's important but only to an extent. For example take the kanji 田. It's probably important to know how to do the outer box in 3 strokes and not 1 like your first instinct before learning the proper way would be, but does it really matter if you do the inner horizontal or vertical line first? When writing 午 how important is it to write the vertical line after the second horizontal line, instead of before?

Sometimes the strokes matter and sometimes they don't, but we generally say that they do because it's hard to say exactly why they don't. Also you can do handwritten lookup without stroke order, stroke order makes it easier but sometimes you can't guess right anyway.

>people ITT who don't want to learn a language well but just (((good enough))) but then rag on mainstream language education for doing the same thing

>>15037137

1 guy said it wasn't important everyone else was not sure why it was or said it was.

Is there a site like animelon but with Japanese TV shows? Dramas, game shows, variety shows or anything really.

>>15039784

Thank you very much kind anon. As someone who has a lot of trouble with particles, I'm sure this will help.

>>15041402

Statement in first bubble continues into second.

>so, I realized. so long as we have Torasawa…

>we can concur the world

The って quote is detailing what she realized. You could rearrange, 虎沢さえいれば世界ぐらい征服出来るって気づいたんだ, if you like to better understand.

A pity, finally lost it (they;re out of their mind) huh.

馬鹿 バカ, the ッ is the usual glottal stop doubly lengthy which yes is emphatic.

from getting involved with Torasawa.

I skipped over most of what you wrote because I don't have my glasses on me and am trying to rush.

>>15041462

thanks a lot

I figured the first two sentences were related, but you're right making them into one continuous sentence makes more sense

that bubble with horse and deer however still makes no sense

I wonder if it's a japanese popular saying, to mention those animals?

>pity, I lost it

thanks, this makes so much more sense after being put like that

>>15041512

Sorry for not explaining further, but 馬鹿 is バカ, you baka. Rikai it without the ッッ. Also, they're claiming the first person to speak, the one in the leather, has lost it, not themself.

>>15041560

>baka

fuck, I didn't notice, bully me

>Also, they're claiming the first person to speak, the one in the leather, has lost it, not themself.

I understood that, but didn't word it properly, thanks

Context is, Torasawa has superstrength that she can't contro welll, so everytime she fights, it goes bad for everyone

>>15041402

さえ = if only

虎沢さえいれば

>if only Torasawa were here

When talking about whether someone is present or not,　the verb いる is simply used.

虎沢さん、いますか？

>Is Torasawa-san (here/there)?

世界ぐらい征服出来るってな!!

>(we) could at least conquer the world, I tell you!!

ぐらい＝ "at least" in this context, never means "most of" in any context.

例：スライムぐらい簡単に倒せるだろう

>(you) can at least beat a slime easily, right?

って＝"indicates certainty, insistence,etc." is the definition that applies in this context. The な makes it even more emphatic.

例：黒ん坊は頭が悪いってな!!

>Niggers are retarded, I tell you!!

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不憫な… ついに壊れたか

>Pitiful… Has (he) finally snapped?

"was destroyed" is passive, this is an active voice intransitive verb, so it never means "was destroyed" but rather "did (subject) break/snap?" 壊された would mean "was destroyed instead".

例：鑑は壊れたか？

>Did the mirror break?

例：鑑は壊されたか

>Was the mirror broken?

虎沢の怪力でアタシ達は敵無しなんだぜ！？

>The fact is that with Torasawa's superhuman strength, we're unbeatable!

敵無し= てきなし unbeatable, invincible, unrivaled, same meaning as 無敵

虎沢が絡んだらどうせ碌な事にならな…

>Anyhow, nothing good ever comes of it when Torisawa gets involved.

It seems like she was interrupted by something before she finished saying ならない

>>15044143

>"indicates certainty, insistence,etc." is the definition that applies in this context.

It's just normal colloquial "quote" particle. "動作や作用の内容を表す." 気付いたのを. Typically it would come prior to the action, but this sort of sentence isn't uncommon either, where one says the thing that's more at the forefront of their thought first. なんだそれは vs. それはなんだ.

>>14897887

That image describes me perfectly right now.