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Survival Horror Thread - Where's my genre gone edition Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:01:16 67d856 No.14827305

We haven't had one of these in a while so I suppose it's a good time as any bake a new bread. Any new games you playing? Are any of them scary? A friend and I recently came to the conclusion that in modern day game development it's impossible to develop a proper survival horror game, especially crowdfund one. Kickstarter needs a trailer and / or a demo that catches the attention of the audience within the first 20 seconds, so slow burners are almost impossible to do.

What kind of hook could a survival horror game add to make itself interesting from the get-go without actually sacrificing suspense and atmosphere?

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:05:05 f7e248 No.14827312

You could just make the graphics look like a ps2 game and then make all the mechanics and landscapes more detailed or add genuinely horrifying monsters like Silent Hill used to do

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:07:40 f354b9 No.14827324

Subnautica succeeds as a survival horror game thanks to atmosphere, so I'd assume an interesting enough hook with fantastic sound design would do well for survival horror. That and denying the player means to defend themselves.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:07:44 29d24f No.14827326

What do you guys think of Spooky's House of Jumpscares?

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:15:09 f56be8 No.14827344

It seems like every "survival horror" game isn't actually survival horror. Parasite Eve is obviously an RPG, Eternal Darkness is just an adventure game with some combat thrown in, and Silent Hill never challenges the survival mechanics (you always have more than enough resources) so it's basically a tech demo with puzzles.

Maybe I'm just jaded, but Alone In The Dark and the first Resident Evil are the only actual survival horror games I've played.

>>14827324

Defending yourself is key to survival horror. Without a possibility to defeat the monster, it just turns into Amnesia.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:15:57 ac4915 No.14827348

So re7, survival horror or not?

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 17:38:59 18d9ab No.14827448

>>14827348

I didn't play it but from what I've heard I guess you could call it a survival horror game. As far as I know it's much more linear and story focused compared to other classical survival horror games.

>>14827344

If you get good enough resources stop becoming a problem in RE1. The big problem with newer games is that survival horror is very hard to balance to the players skill. Instead of using some kind of rubber band AI that controls resources (which has been tried and is unfun) most devs set the difficulty just shy of easy to avoid alienating their audience.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 18:18:36 4ff6dc No.14827572

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>>14827344

>Alone In The Dark and the first Resident Evil are the only actual survival horror games I've played.

Funny that you say that, I've always seen both of them as adventures with combat mechanics, for me, survival horror, was more like a buzzword to create differentiation from the genre, a fair buzzword to be honest since both of those games were very unique.

But as time passed, quoting you " "survival horror" game isn't actually survival horror " anymore, any game that scares you can be seen as a survival horror now, not taking into account mechanics at all. And I see that as a good thing, there is profound creative potential there, we could see tactical survival horror, beat 'em up survival horror, metroidvania survival horror (Although metroidlikes are already kinda moody), fuck we already got a platform survival horror, there's plenty of rooms for surprises.

I just don't see that happening since creativity isn't generally rewarded with cash, and this is a industry driven by cash, and if that weren't enough, game design as a practice is quite abandoned, just check GDC videos on youtube almost all of 'em are about technical stuff, self help and marketing. The most probable forecast is just another jumpscare-loaded "stealth" survival horror fps.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 18:25:40 63fc3d No.14827597

Who cares, this is a cuckchan-quality thread.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 19:21:32 5082cd No.14827818

Survival horror doesn't work as well today, because the average gamer is over 35. It seems that once you get older you no longer fear your surroundings and the atmosphere isn't as dense.

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 19:56:33 d010f3 No.14827979

>>14827818

>over 35

Mortgage and job loss oriented survival horror when?

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 21:24:53 67d856 No.14828517

>>14827979

Every waking moment

Anonymous 05/21/18 (Mon) 23:46:27 56ba61 No.14829300

>>14827344

Resident Evil is bad at being survival horror because the puzzles aren't used to avoid combat most of the time, it's only a tool to progress the game. In Alone in the Dark series, probably half of the puzzles are useful for avoiding combat.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 00:55:33 6ae599 No.14829557

>>14827324

Subnautica isn't even scary considering how braindead the AI is, once you figure out what lives where it loses the scary aspect and just becomes underwater minecraft

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 01:13:29 a6fc62 No.14829613

Darkwood is probably the best survival horror game I've played in years.

RE7 really isn't that bad either tbh, I know that's an unpopular opinion on here but contrarians are fucking gay

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 01:23:07 56ba61 No.14829649

>>14829613

RE7 is too scripted.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 01:53:54 9e9d95 No.14829793

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>>14827305

>What kind of hook could a survival horror game add to make itself interesting from the get-go without actually sacrificing suspense and atmosphere?

Use multiple characters instead of just having you play as one person the whole time. When you can actually kill, injure, or otherwise remove someone from the story. It allows the writers the chance to commit to the consequences of being in a horror situation rather than having to bullshit your characters survival every time. You can also vary gameplay between characters so the player has some variety without having to cram everything into one character.

In general I'm in love with the idea of "short stories" in horror games.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 01:57:38 56ba61 No.14829807

>>14829793

>siren

>fatal frame

>remove someone from the story

I don't remember this.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 02:25:41 9e9d95 No.14829930

>>14829807

Perhaps I should have said "removes the players ability to play that character" But Fatal Frame 4 drops one of the characters towards the end. No idea what happens to her as she literally just disappears.

Siren has a couple characters either die or worse so you effectively cannot control them anymore.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 08:01:01 375d0d No.14830996

>>14829793

>When you can actually kill, injure, or otherwise remove someone from the story. It allows the writers the chance to commit to the consequences of being in a horror situation rather than having to bullshit your characters survival every time.

Yomawari uses the shit out of that. It makes you think everything is going to be daijobu and then lay on the suffering, especially in 2.

Shame the gameplay is more die and retry than survival.

>>14829807

Fatal Frame 1 starts with the brother and he immediately gets removed.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 14:16:59 21c17a No.14832051

>>14829793

>>14829613

I've been meaning to try both of those as soon as I can. I'm also looking forward to trying REmake 2, since that's my favourite one so far.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 14:31:59 858186 No.14832084

>>14827979

>divorce tactical survival horror

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 14:40:21 e52bef No.14832108

With the advent of games like Minecraft (Open world/Sandbox/"Survival"), the term "survival" took a big fucking shift, so it's even harder to see games that fit the term "survival horror".

That being said, I'd actually like to see a game do survival in a more literal sense like Don't Starve (not just "low ammo, health drops, etc" of, say, Silent Hill), but in 3D and have actual horror elements. Could be done, but nobody seems to want to bother.

Anonymous 05/22/18 (Tue) 15:00:22 fb578c No.14832157

>>14832108

The Forest and 7 Days to Die