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go ask Con Man

Did he have anything to do with the creation of Rock Man or is it all taking credit for someone else's work?

>>14824681

X is more of a diplomacy guy than a fighter, but he still works in the Maverick Hunter organization because he feels responsible for anything reploid related (since they're all technically his children save for Zero).

>>14824681

X is a pacifist fool in a violent world, he needs direction.

>>14824681

Because being a strong fighter doesn't mean they would be great at logistics and everything else the Maverick Hunters have to worry about. They might be good at battle, but having someone to point them in the proper direction and give them proper recon is a massive help to them.

This is somewhat addressed in Mega Man Zero, where X is the leader of the Neo Arcadian government until he gets replaced, and Zero is effectively the leader of the resistance. For the X series, it's possible that the human government set it up that way.

>>14824937

>saving the world repeatedly is cowardly

nigger what

>>14825024

>X is the leader of the Neo Arcadian government until he gets replaced

Actually IIRC he just went "fuck it I'm done" and left to live in cyberspace because faggots wouldn't stop fighting and waging wars and shit

>>14825024

In X7 at least, his pacifism was very heavily made apparent to the point where he had to be unlocked to be playable. He REALLY doesnt like fighting later on.

Don't reply to tor posters.

>>14824681

Is Zero a male or female?

>>14824936

All "face of the company" guys are hacks that stole others' finished works. Every single one of them.

>>14825121

>pacifism = cowardice

Pacifism is misguided, but it's not cowardly. It takes courage to do a Gandhi-style campaign of nonviolence when the other side is willing to beat and kill you. The problem with this is that it's reliant on two factors:

1) People capable of violence actually give enough of a shit if you're beaten up to try to stop it.

2) The people beating you up aren't robots infected with a computer virus that forces them to beat you up.

>>14825237

True.

Pacifism = stupidity.

It is literally a mental illness condition.

>>14824936

The one who created the games was Akira Kitamura, back in the day it was uncommon for people to know about directors or studios, by the time MMX came out and specially MMX4 Inafune got his chance to direct, he was basically the creator of Zero and the one on the lead of the franchise for the rest of its lifespan, then suddenly people began calling him the father of Megaman.

>>14825296

But can it have sex?

>>14825383

Involuntary sex is rape.

You wouldn't rape your car would you?

>>14825392

Why not? It's not like it's gonna complain

>>14825354

>Megaman

Anno Domini 2018 and you still misspell Mega Man.

Secondly, Kitamura was adamant that Mega Man above all a collaboration effort, there was no one creator.

>>14825583

>>14826040

You'll faggots don't even romance cars.

>Zero

>ancient

Inaffagot retcons pls go. Zero is a reploid like everyone else, he's based on X.

every Megaman x game after 3 is not canon

>>14827650

if its an official game and it was not explicitly said by the publisher that it was not, then it is cannon

>>14825014

This. They're ultimate soldiers, it'd be a waste of they were generals.

>>14827650

This. X4 and onward are a weird alternate universe where everything established in the first trilogy didn't happen.

>>14825121

yeah people change, and when he's been in the same game 6 times maybe he realised "hey maybe there's something wrong with all this fighting that never stops"

>>14825352

That's wrong. Just because it's different from your mindset doesn't mean it's "mental illness". Generally pacifism stems from morality or from seeing a bigger picture, neither are inherently wrong.

>>14827698

>>14827665

muh cannon.

>>14827698

>giving a shit about the plot

X4 and onwards barely exist because they're 80% garbage levels, subweapons and bosses.

>>14827869

x4 is the best in the series

>>14824986

Minor nitpick, Zero is not a reploid. Reploids are explicitly based on X's design.

>>14827877

X is better, but X4 is still a close second (just mute or skip the damn cutscenes)

>>14827883

X4 is even better than X

>>14827877

>>14827904

X2 > X1 > X3 > horseshit > X6 > X4 > X5

>>14827877

How?

>Levels

Magama Dragoon and Cyber Peacock's first stage, the one where it's a timed obstacle course to get upgrades are easily the most standout levels of the game. Web spider is "the intro one" and as such it's barely worth noting. Storm Owl and Slash Beast's levels are a simple "move forward and avoid big turrets" and are shit. I don't even remember Frost Walrus' stage. Jet Stringray's alright but it's on rails. Split Mushroom's is alright.

>Subweapons

They all suck dick.

>Bosses

Magma Dragoon is good. Split Mushroom is great. Storm Owl is above average.

Web Spider is shit. Jet Stingray is garbage. Cyber Peacock and Slash Beast are too predictable. Frost Walrus is shit. Sigma, Double, Iris, Colonel, General are all trash.

>>14826040

Why kill first?

Rape thew woman, and kill her so she won't complain OR enjoy it.

Women are objects to please Men, and nothing else.

>>14827802

"Muh subjectivism".

Fuck off, abomination.

Pacifism is a mental illness of the weak and inferior that can't fight or be aggressive (which are natural human traits) even if they wanted to.

Life is objective.

The weak are freaks that is ok to kill. Those that adopt a "non-violent" stance are mentally ill abominations like Gandhi and other freaks.

>>14827883

>save for Zero

Also X4 is the second best in the series after X1.

>>14827929

Storm Owl's and Slash Beasts stage give an excellent feeling of dynamism that put the focus on platforming which is more than welcome in a platformer action game. The best stages in the series.

>They all suck dick.

Get better with them. No game in the series has had perfect sub weapons throughout, X4 not only has X getting solid ones, but Zero inheriting simple combos and moves which greatly enhances the game.

>>14827991

Zero actually makes the game worse. The developers feeling like they need to make stages to ensure that both X and Zero can get through them is exactly why level design went to the gutter starting with X4.

>>14828009

No. Give some examples to back up your claim. The game plays fine with either X or Zero, each playthrough offering different ways of progressing, as well as focused traps which challenge you on the same skills and ones which provide a unique challenge per character. There's no doubt difficulty involved in balancing a design so it's both challenging, fun, and also works with both characters, but you wouldn't know that if you played X4 as both of them because it ended up excellently.

>>14828032

Yes. X4 is full of flat straight line stages with banal platforming covered up by aesthetic gimmicks. You have your shitty train stage, you have your shitty teleport stage, you have your shitty staircase stage, etc.

>>14827991

>an excellent feeling of dynamism that put the focus on platforming

You can't be serious. There's almost no platforming to speak of on that shitty fucking train stage. You simply walk forward and shoot stuff. I think there's one time you have to jump a gap from one train to another and that's it.

They are most suited to be field actors, and as you say they are ancient, this in a world of shifting tech must mean that they require constant support from reploids more knowledgeable about the areas they visit.

also most game protags are underlings just following objectives laid for them

>>14828032

Nothing truly feels like it was hand crafted to suit either character in my opinion. Besides Cyber Peacock's obstacle course, the levels are not as good as the SNES games. I don't really know how to explain it well. With X4 a lot of the stage design felt like a flat move forward type of ordeal. With X5 they play around a nice amount with the terrain, but it's so tight and claustrophobic that it's really hard to go fast without needing to stop every now and then because the enemies are invulnerable or dodging them and moving forward is impossible, so you have to go back . The levels that come to mind here are Volt Kraken, the fly guy with the big green laser, Burn Dinorex and Duff Mcwhalen. There are two notable exceptions that come to mind, which are Axl The Red and Dark Necrobat. The former is a really fun speed rush which gets really frustrating the second you lose that speed and rhythm(which is easy on the first playthrough because of the spikes that pop out of the ground or ceiling, and the cable sliding sequences which are a really bad pace breaker), and the latter is a fucking joke of a level followed by an even bigger joke of a boss and I'm convinced it was a middle finger by the devs who got lazy at that point.

>>14828075

>X4 is full of flat straight line stages with banal platforming

As is X2, but you don't mention it. Well, nobody does because X2 is fucking forgettable.

>>14828075

Also you're talking out of your ass.

>>14828129

split mushrooms stage unfortunately feels the most like a snes sera one with its straight lines, brief platforming section, elevator ride, and ladder climbing section. At least it's better than some of those and has some great traps like the spinning things breaking through the walls you have to avoid in time, or the miniboss that destroys the floor.

>>14828149

X2 is full of squiggly stages with lots of dynamic platforming actually. It and X6 are two of the few X games that made some attempt to facilitate some manner of air dashing mechanics into their level design. It's a shame they didn't turn the air dash into a default ability in X3 like they did with the dash in X2.

You should play X2 sometime anon, it's really fun.

>>14828176

Playing X2 I figure the philosophy for the stage design was "I want to allow the player to go really fast and have a shitton of fun doing so".

X is old and can fight but he's not specialized for any technical roles.

It's like asking an army grunt to read a radar monitor.

>>14824681

because they are not omniscient.

just because they are experts doenst mean they have all the information of everything that happens around them. thats why they have oprators and navigtors. to pass them data so they can choose the best course of action

>>14824681

It's the same reason the sales and marketing people get promoted over the developers and engineers. Ones doing the heavy lifting aka killing mavericks and saving the world. The other one is presenting shit to the people and doing all of the paperwork. Alternatively it's because it's a god damn video game and if X and Zero were the bosses then that would be a mess gameplay wise.

>>14828279

Pay attention to all the jumping in them though. It's like they forgot wall jumping was even a mechanic in the later games.

>>14828289

No they didn't. See Web Spider, Split Mushroom, Frost Warlus, Storm Owl.

Hell, even X4's straight line sections give more of a challenge, with an abundance of pits and platforms with enemies and hazards around them so you can't just walk right and spam the Buster.

>>14828315

I disagree. With the exception of Magma Dragoon's falling rocks and really aggressive ride armor enemies X4 doesn't offer a lot in stage hazards.

>>14825383

Can a dildo have sex?

>>14828352

So you never actually played it. Good job retard.

>>14828378

All the stages I mentioned have the same things too.

>>14828399

Not quite. Web Spider's stage had falling snakes which fell too slow to be a threat and those bee hives and mermavericks that died in one charge shot/jumpslash. Split Mushroom's stage, I honestly can't remember what the enemies were. The one stage hazard I remember was a bunch of drills that went vertical but those were no threat unless you wanted the heart tank. I can't speak for Frost Walrus.

Storm Owl, I do remember ride armor enemies but the stage hazards were terrible. I remember the big laser cannons that can either be very easily jumped over, or waste time by having you duck underneath them. There's one last stage hazard I can remember which were the flying container ships that get shot down, but again those fall too slowly to pose a threat and besides there's like 3 or 4 of which in the whole game.

Because X and Zero are just some guys. Maverick Hunters are implied to be an independent supernational crisis response military based near New York. Seems to dogwhistle that they're a branch of the UN or something. Why would that get put under the command of rubblebabies?

That said, X and Zero actually command their own units, which you never really see in the games. But they are explicitly mid level officers.

>>14830463

Why are they mid-level officers when they were on their own in the first game? Wouldn't they be the founders to whatever organization that was made?

>>14824681

Well, you're overthinking a simplistic story that was aimed at kids…but if we must overanalyze…they are both robots. Robots, like computers, require a set of instructions in order to complete a task.

In the original MMX, you see this progression as Megaman starts off "average" and the first "boss fight" Zero has to step in and save him because he didn't have the power to beat the guy.

Along the way in the other levels, you receive data, both from Dr. Light as well as by defeating the other bosses which enhance your own abilities and base stats. By the time you're done with most of the boss bots, you have new abilities, stronger armor, more HP, a much stronger base attack and even a hadouken attack that can 1-shot any enemy if you know the trick to get that.

>>14831084

>they are both robots. Robots, like computers, require a set of instructions in order to complete a task

That precisely the opposite of what MMX is about.

>>14831084

But still not enough to beat that guy and Zero still has to save him.

>>14828398

So Zero has a dildo instead of an artificial pussy?

>>14830856

They were never on their own, and they weren't the founders either. Maverick Hunters predate Zero even being awake.

>>14827941

ok /pol/, if you wanna act like a caveman and kill rape and pillage everything, that's up to you… but some of us are intellectuals who have no need for brutish violence. By all means, you do you; but understand that not everyone is the same.

However the acutal objective reality here, is that you're some lonely NEET who isn't even strong enough to be violent so you act edgy on the internet to feel better about yourself. Don't worry, I can take the abuse so let it all out on me anon…

>>14833051

As much as I love Terminators, the whole "machines are gonna kill us all" meme is pretty stale. A machine doesn't decide to kill humans unless it's programmed to, or unless said humans are fucking assholes. Even so, why the fuck wouldn't you program a machine to refrain from harming humans?

>>14832139

Are you sure it isn't just some faggot roleplaying as /pol/?

>>14833183

That's not even a good representation of /pol/ to begin with. Sounds like an edgy anarchist/nihilist.

>>14832139

>intellectuals who have no need for brutish violence

Also, often the very first to be rounded up and slain by any invading force.

Hard to claim "intellectualism" when you lack the basic motivation for self preservation (aka survival).

>>14831939

>But still not enough to beat that guy and Zero still has to save him.

After he powers up, he faces that guy from the prologue level again and is able to defeat him.

>>14831573

>That precisely the opposite of what MMX is about.

It's actually not. In every single US megaman game, including the X series, megaman is relying on instructions/guidance to be fed to him.

Dr. Light = reference to God the creator (who is portrayed as a spirit in the X series)

Megaman = embodiment of human potential

Dr Wily = reference to satan (who is portrayed as an insidious virus in X series)

Wily's Robots = metaphors for various human sin, and the corrupting effects that sin can have on the world around them.

They make it pretty obvious by tagging MAN after every characters' name…I don't think the japs noticed, neither did most players.

The MMX series was had more obvious symbolic references to scripture than the original megaman titles.

>>14833659

Did you actually play the games? MegaMan needs direction. X is named after the most common symbol to denote a variable, because he can do or become anything.

>>14833659

Dr. Light explicitly describes X as the first robot who's capable of independent thought and feelings Anon what the fuck are you talking about.

>>14833694

>Dr. Light explicitly describes X as the first robot who's capable of independent thought and feelings Anon what the fuck are you talking about.

Uhhhh….a lot of stuff I said just flew over you didn't it?

Humans have free will. They still need to be taught and directed…because they default to being quite stupid, as you have demonstrated for us.

You really don't see the obvious similarities between Dr Light => Megaman and God => Man?

>>14833678

>Did you actually play the games? MegaMan needs direction. X is named after the most common symbol to denote a variable, because he can do or become anything.

Yes, have you?

And did you read what I wrote, because you're literally repeating what I said but in a way that's less understandable.

>>14834511

If your argument is that he needs "direction" by learning from the data he receives, then I'm afraid you have yet to present an argument, because learning how to do things is the case for every sapient creature. It's what we call intellect; you probably don't have it but you might have heard of it. Your "analysis" is so broad that it can be applied to any character from any game, and is thus not exclusive for MMX. Moot point.

On your point regarding the analogy to God and his creations, it's an outlandish theory. Had you actually researched the lore, you'd know that the real point made was that humanity is not ready to coexist with robots and AI - in this case, reploids, as evidenced by Light's and Wily's rivalry, and the centuries of war their inventions caused. But you don't sound like someone who researches much of anything anyway.

>>14834547

I'll take the opportunity to answer OP's question as well.

X isn't commanding the entire Maverick Hunter organization because he hesitates to act when he needs to. He's the most humane out of all the reploids, and as such, he rethinks his options when he has to take the shot very often, especially when someone else's life is at stake, and his efficiency in stopping mavericks suffers for this.

>>14834623

Also X wasn't explicitly designed for combat, unlike later Reploids Dr. Cain made of him with it in mind, like Sigma and Vile. Naturally, they'd be higher up in the ranks for their combat rating specs.

>>14834623

>He's the most humane out of all the reploids

X isn't a reploid. Reploids are robots based on his design.