/v/ - Video Games

>>14816548

Instant gratification and conditioning.

Same deal with slot machines having loud sounds and bright lights even when you don't win anything.

>Why?

It works.

Faggots on multiplayer games paying and defending this shit, so they copy them.

Modern "game" companies have turned into psy-ops, they hire specialists to exploit the weakness of our human brains to incite this addiction.

This is a direct consequence of games going mainstream, because now the userbase aren't treated as hobby enthusiasts, we are treated as cattle.

>>14816566

But in this case it is not instant gratification.

I got 3 items from this run. I want my items.

I'm forced to watch some exp loading and some box animations, then click here, then there and finally 3 times to get my items and the once on ok.

This whole process keeps me 6 clicks, several dumb animations and a few sounds from getting my loot.

It's the opposite of instant gratification, it just makes getting loot seems somewhat special, but once you are at your 20th run and above there is no reason for it whatsoever. Why keep it in the game at all ?

The problem here is that a cancerous practice- lootboxes, has been turned into some sort of dumb ritual.

>>14816548

>Example: Vermintide 2, forced to wait several screens of loading experience points a box dropping and being upraded, to clicking it and opening it then clicking 3 medals or icons to unlock your items. Why go through the whole ritual of this ?

Because it builds suspense which increases the endorphin release when something you want appears. This is a basic tactic used everywhere, from physical slot machines to Hearthstone forcing you to click to reveal cards from packs. In both cases you could instantly display the results but that would make it less enjoyable to those addicted to the rush.

Trying to convince normalfags that this system is exploitative is as pointless as trying to stop them from eating foods full of fats and sugars that their body is programmed to tell them to stock up on.

>>14816592

>exp loading

<represents progression, making you feel like it's not wasted time

<also adds the benefit of you wanting to "do one more map" so you can level up what little is remaining

>box animations

<anticipation…

>click here

<makes the user interact with it, so they feel they are doing their part winning what is inside the box

>and then my items

<that way you are conditioned to feel anticipation every time you gain a box

the use of mundane, repetitive tasks help with conditioning

The fact that it doesn't work on you means you have a stronger will than a normalfag, so congratulations on that.

Friendly reminder that every company working to turn you into a digital slave is working with other companies that rob you of happiness and fulfillment in the real world. This is all part of a long term plan, whether or not they realize it.

>>14816615

>makes the user interact with it, so they feel they are doing their part winning what is inside the box

Yeah but that interaction is linear. It has no meaning and can only give you one type of result. The clicking is just there for … like you said for conditioning.

Take heroes as a counter example. You get a treasure and you get to choose gold or experience, based on your needs. The choice actually matters. Here there is no choice. There is meaningless clicking.

If this becomes a large scale trend, looting basic stuff will become a chore.

>>14816651

What's with the random spaces at the start of some lines anon?

>>14816651

>If this becomes a large scale trend, looting basic stuff will become a chore

Exactly, and then they add microtransactions so people will buy their way out of that chore.

We can see this happening with far cry 5, as a recent example.

>>14816662

I'm retarded and can't tell how long a sentence will end up and if it will reach a new line.

I've been retarded for 10 years.

I'm still retarded.

>>14816548

MKultra

>>14816548

Vermintide 2? Yeah, they've all but confirmed that they are actually going for "F2P" monetization for that game - they've actually confirmed that the game's "mod tools" are actually just going to be the tools for a Steam Workshop paid skins system.

>>14816548

If you're playing a game with lootboxes, you're being used as a guinea pig.

>>14816729

Where do you keep coming from?

I'm not going to defend Vermintide 2 after the devs killed their own game listening to reddit, but I haven't seen one shred of evidence for what you're claiming. And you show up virtually every time anyone even mentions the game like that FLAOT memer and say exactly the same shit every time.

>>14816917

Sidenote: i will never buy plebg, just to make that clear. I think it's trashy fun but not worth more than 10 dollars at most, but I would feel bad paying that to the queers that sell it. Gunplay is dogshit and the game itself is more or less gambling even at a basic level.

>>14816548

>Fatsharks endgame for Vermintide 2 is ftp loot boxes with nearly impossible cosmetic drop rates

I would have been ok with this if they attempted to make a finished game, but looking at how rushed it was when it should have been in beta during release makes me think it's already dead.

>>14816548

>Why does this happen in games that have no ties to the normal f2p buyable lootboxes ?

Leftover code?

The mystery of what's in the box and giving you the responsibility of clicking to open it activates happy brain chemicals more than if they just gave you the items straight. It's fake fun. Same category of shit as achievements and the hit indicator "tick" noise in COD.

Weren't MMO's/RPG's doing PvE 'lootboxes' before anything else? You click an enemy and it has a change at dropping loot.

>>14824957

Hit indicator sounds are strategically valuable, also they come from Quake

>>14825195

Probably. I never played any version of multiplayer quake before 3. It's still the standard though

>>14816822

>Are there any singleplayer lootbox games that don't require you to play online?

Memelands 2

>>14826701

It doesn't count unless micropayments are involved. Otherwise you'd have to count Diablo II, or hell, any Doom mod with a strong focus on randomization.

Lootboxes are extortion.

All members of a company that implement lootboxes must be killed.

>>14829301

>It doesn't count unless micropayments are involved

The golden keys and chest are entirely separate from the regular loot system, you can't really buy golden keys though but if you consider every aspect of it it's basically lootboxes.

>>14830985

Loot boxes all the way down? Do they sell boxes that might have keys you need to open boxes that might have boxes worth opening with keys?

>>14831043

Basically you have a chest in the main safe area that only drops high-tier equipment that is the same level as you, but to open it you use a key each time, only way to get keys is to either have bought some of the DLCs or to have participated in the gearbox datamining program o just edit the cleartext file that says how many key you have, I might be wrong but I do think there's also a skin part that is exclusive to it.

>>14831117

Ah I remember that, it was more mid-tier though

I am so fucking tired of all these fucking mind tricks in videogames. It's not just lootboxes, but all slot machine mechanics. Also daily quests and achievements. It's all fucking bullshit. I don't want any of it in my vidya. It's gotten to the point where even if I actually like a game, I just can't play it if it's infested with any of this shit.

Lootboxes are probably the worst offender here. I don't care if it's p2w or just cosmetic, or even not monetized at all. It's all equally insulting. The game assumes that you're just gonna love seeing a flashy animation and getting to click shiny things. Just no. Give me the loot or fuck off. I will not let you patronize me like this.

>>14831732

It's a shame too simce the game is otherwise Assassins Creed done right.

>>14816548

>Example: Vermintide 2, forced to wait several screens of loading experience points a box dropping and being upraded, to clicking it and opening it then clicking 3 medals or icons to unlock your items.

Was actually thinking of buying this crap. Thanks for saving me the cash.

>>14839832

This is your deal-breaker? I bet you are absolutely fine with having to go find a key guarded by a bullshit boss to open a chest then take the item to town and pay all your money to have it identified as worthless trash, but spending a couple seconds opening a box and confirming the items you got is too much?

>>14839832

It's still fun though.

>>14848656

Not mad, just don't understand how that of all things is what turns him away from a game he was thinking of playing. There's so much shit in the game that's genuinely bad too, but a couple seconds spent on post mission rewards is somehow the deal-breaker. Either he knew absolutely nothing about the game and was considering buying it, which is retarded by any measure, or he was well informed of the game and was accepting of everything else that was in it except the reward mechanic. Even then, not playing a modern game you want to play because of some little thing you don't like is also pretty retarded when every one has some cancerous bullshit in it, disregarding the fact that you actually want to play modern video games.

>>14825101

Those 3 clicks are tied to 7 animations and 2 loading screens. The inventory screen takes a full 60 seconds to get past.

This is no laughing matter.

>>14848656

>be faggot

>complain about shit

>someone lightly roasts me with a good counter-argument

>WHY U SO MAD BRAH

cringe

>>14840193

>arguing for being forced to watch animations by implying its more convenient than a boss fight

You are actually playing the game by defeating the boss and traveling to town (then deciding whether or not to have it identified by an npc). These are actions decided upon by the player, getting to a screen and watching animations is not.

>>14849790

I wasn't arguing, I was insulting. He's a little bitch making bitchy decisions for bitchy reasons. If you are not going to play a game, do so because the mechanics themselves are flawed or the developers have absolutely no idea what they are doing and keep breaking everything, not because you are an impatient cunt who needs his loot now.