/v/ - Video Games

Very poor third party support and starting with the gamecube a lot of first party missteps.

>>14759502

>Wii U

Some idiots thought it was just update to Wii and not completely new console.

I don't know anything about N64 or Gamecube.

GCN had Pikmin 1&2 so it couldn't be called a complete failure

But weren't all but the wiiU profitable for the company overall? I can see the GameCube not making too much on investment but they probably made at least the money back from development.

N64 was not a failure from any metric and was one of their most successful consoles.

>>14759502

>n64

The cartridge format, gimped texture cache fucking 2D sprites with forced filtering and to a lesser extent the odd controller arrangement+small default RAM.

>Gamecube

The miniDVD meme format at 1.4 GB compared to the 8.7 GB DVDs of the PS2 and Xbox hueg.

>Wii U

No Audience/target demographic to sell to beyond nintendrones as the casual kiddies had all moved to mobileshit smartphone games, obsolete hardware, odd unoriginal controller concept that was difficult to market and properly implement in games, no DVD playback, atrocious marketing, terrible launch window.

>>14759581

This anon gets it. For what its worth, I liked the GC and I still play my WiiU. Switch, paid online, and re-selling me NES games can go eat a bag of dicks, Nintendo

>>14759528

The N64 came during the early years of the ESRB, the time where Nintendo was trying to get into the soccer moms good side among other things, in certain ways they were promising stuff they would never deliver, like Killer Instinct 2, ditching 2D in favor of 3D, patented the camera controls on their end so no 3rd party was able to make a decent 3D platformer during that era, trying to keep control of all releases by sticking to game cartridges back then, which means games had a very limited capacity and higher cost.

>>14759611

I played Killer Instinct Gold or whatever it was called on the N64. That didnt count as a sequel?

>>14759502

>nintendo failures

>virtualboy isnt even listed

Absolute state of faggot op

>>14759611

>patented the camera controls on their end so no 3rd party was able to make a decent 3D platformer during that era

Yeah, THAT must be the reason.

>>14759630

There were great 3D platformers on other systems. Never heard of the camera for mario 64 being patented however, so I'd need to see a source on that.

>>14759634

so is everything released for purchase. make better posts.

>>14759634

>he thinks mobile is the optimal way to play games

>>14759627

Let's just say Nintendo Power among others kept hyping Killer Instinct Gold as a superior version of KI2 which turned out to be completely false.

>>14759630

>>14759642

It wasn't THE reason for failure but lots of 3D platformers got screwed by that, which in turn disappointed a lot of fans, among other failures in design for games like Castlevania 64.

>>14759642

I'm struggling to think of an actually great 3d platformer outside mario 64. They all had all issues ranging from poor framerate, wonky controls/physics/collision or barebones level design.

>>14759671

Precisely.

>>14759667

I'm not even sure it existed and will need to see a source for it. Considering there were 3D platformers developed by third parties on and off the N64.

>>14759671

Crash 1-3, Spyro 1-3, Jumping Flash 1 & 2, Banjo Kazooie, Rocket Robot on Wheels, Croc 1 & 2, Ninpen Manmaru, and that's just off the top of my head. There's plenty.

>>14759679

I am trying to find the source where I read it originally, but when it comes to other systems such an issue didn't exist because the controller wasn't like the N64, before the Dual Shock 2 most 3D camera controls were bound to a set of shoulder buttons.

>>14759573

>n64

<32 million units sold

<400 games released

>PS1

<102 million units sold

<2500+ games not counting bootleg hacks&homebrew

Financially the n64 may have been successful, but it was raped in almost every other category by the PS1.

The weird early 3D meme hardware issues could've been alleviated had Nintendo simply chosen to adopt a CD-ROM drive. Square Enix moved to Sony due to the tiny cartridge capacity of the n64, and we all know how that turned out.

The gamecube was also profitable for Nintendowhile the Wii U was most certainly not.

>>14759528

Almost the same name + similar design + they did not differentiate it from the Wii when presenting to people outside the big conventions.

Everything wrong in Wii U's marketing is solely Nintendo's fault.

>>14759689

What would they even patent? A camera given diegesis? A camera adjustable by angle increments and distance? I don't think it exists.

>>14759703

Even the Saturn has more games. Even the Dreamcast has more games. Both systems were replaced sooner than the N64.

>>14759711

As far as I can remember is the explicit way of interacting with the camera using the C buttons, I think is tied to their patent for the N64 controller, not the games themselves.

>>14759718

Other systems didn't have the buttons to spare for that, but even then didn't Banjo Kazooie/Tooie use the same camera system? Or well, really every 3D Rare N64 game.

>>14759726

That was because of the relationship between Rare and Nintendo back then.

>>14759736

I think it was because there was no patent involved on the camera system.

>>14759726

I think those games run on a modified SM64 engine.

>>14759679

Crash had horrid controls, physics and pretty basic level design, Banjo was too much of a collectathon to be enjoyable and the second one ran like garbage. Rocket was decent. Haven't played the others, but they don't look too good from watching videos. Glover 64 was probably the best non mario platformer from that era, as rough as it can be.

>>14759750

Glover is a pretty poor game. Crash has solid physics and controls, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

>>14759502

In order:

>cartridges, programmer-unfriendly hardware, and generally treating third-party devs like shit

>special snowflake disc format that largely defeats the purpose of using a disc drive, and generally treating third-party devs like shit

>disastrous branding fail that left many people not even knowing what it was, obsolete hardware, shitty forced gimmicks, and generally treating third-party devs like shit

They went full retard their buisness & design policys for the N64, and drove away most devs over to PS1.

Basically a dead console other than Nintendo & Rare games.

Gamecube was fine, not quite as good as PS2 but it had a lot of good exclusives, not a failure in the slightest.

I dont know what the fuck they were thinking with the Wii-U, but now it almost has no reason to exist anymore because half the good games for it are getting ported to the Switch anyways.

>>14759755

I just replayed it. I remember it controlling way worse for some reason. Still wouldn't call it great.

>>14759768

that's fucking retarded.

>N64

Cartridge format, strict licensing policies, failure to release the 64DD on time

>GC

miniDVD format, default color is purple, limited online/LAN capabilities compared to competing consoles

>Wii U

Shitty marketing, name's too similar to previous console, outdated hardware, normalfags didn't understand the gamepad

>>14759502

The WiiU was literally a beta version of the Switch

>>14759502

>catastrophically

didn't the Gamecube and the Nintendo 64 make a fuckton of money back?

>>14759502

SNES being a piece of shit is where it went wrong.

>N64

Most third parties moved to PlayStation due to Nintendo's insistance on using cartridges. DD add-on was a flop. Games were overpriced due to being on cartridge, later exclusives required a RAM add-on to be playable, had a more kid-oriented vibe than the PSX, despite having M-rated exclusives like Conker, Perfect Dark, Doom 64, Turok, and Shadowman.

>Gamecube

Nintendo failed to capitalize on the trend towards online gaming, compromised the console's storage medium by using mini discs that couldn't hold as much data, making certain genres difficult if not impossible to achieve, despite the otherwise-solid hardware, new Zelda and Mario games were controversial at the time and failed to be killer-apps. Console's aesthetic design, controller, games, and shape of the console had kind of a toyetic and juvenille vibe, at a time everyone wanted edgy dudebro games like Halo and GTA, despite Nintendo's efforts to appeal to older players with Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Geist, and Resident Evil.

>Wii U

Nintendo picked a very shitty name and poor marketing for the system, as-if they were oblivious to the Wii's tarnished reputation due to its inferior hardware and overwhelming amount of shovelware, not to mention the novelty of motion controls had long worn-out their welcome. The poor choice of name and marketing made it appear more like an add-on to the Wii than a new console. Third party support was utter dogshit, mostly consisting of mediocre ports with missing content. People thought the tablet controller was another dumb gimmick like the Wii remote, saw the hardware was still inferior to the PS4 anf Xbone, and it also launched with a NSMB Mario game instead of a 3D one, at a point where many were getting tired of the NSMB series, the 3D one that was released was a disappointing retread of the 3DS game's gameplay format.

>>14759628

Sega fucked up even worse than Nintendo when the PS1 was announced with the SegaChannel and the 32x. They were both headless chickens trying to come up with stupid shit to distract people from the PS1 launch in 1994.

The N64 was theoretically more powerful than the PS by several metrics, but the PS was much easier to develop for. This is why most of the N64's biggest hits were by Nintendo themselves and Rare. On top of this, the cartridge format was expensive - cartridges needed to be ordered in bulk to make a decent profit and this drove smaller studios to the PS. The N64 still made bank for Nintendo but the Playstation's much greater success eclipsed it.

The Gamecube was one of the cheapest consoles ever when you adjust for inflation, and it was also more powerful than the PS2. However the minidisc-like format which limited game size compared to DVDs scared off third parties and it meant the cube didn't double as a movie player like the PS2. Nintendo really should have swallowed their pride and paid DVD royalty fees to Sony - if they did, the cube would have sold much better.

As for the Wii U, it was mainly a combination of terrible marketing, Nintendo thinking that they could win back the huge casual audience of the Wii's peak, and the gamepad which was not useful enough to justify the cost it added to the system.

>>14759840

Should also mention some people thought Super Mario 3D World was a port of 3D Land. Nintendo picked the fucking dumbest names for their games and consoles during this time.

>>14759864

they're still giving things shitty names but switch was pretty good.

>5th gen

They let Rareware get bought out by Microshaft. Huge mistake, now Rare is dead. Additionally, the N64's third party support was pretty abysmal, and that controller was a botched abortion that fucking sucked. The joystick is notorious for how flimsy it is.

>6th gen

Not enough third-party support for GCN. The console had an ethernet port but it didn't feature any online titles (aside from PSO but that shit got canned), so it's a huge waste of development cost. Also, the GBA Link Cable didn't really see a lot of use outside of specific games. Say what you want about the Wii, but at least it took the gimmick and actually did something with it.

>WiiU

It really was Wii 1.5, wasn't it? Although this console features some third party support, by this time it's already too late, given that most people already think of Sony and Microsoft consoles as the go-to third party machines. I never owned one, honestly, so I couldn't really say beyond that.

>>14759873

It was a step in the right direction. At-least they called the new Mario game Super Mario Odyssey instead of New Super Mario Switcharoo World or some other dumbass shit.

N64 would be good if they didn't insist on cartridges and the controller purposefully designed to force you to give up on using one of these 3 at any given point : d-pad, analog stick and face buttons

I have no idea what was wrong with the gamecube, its gimmick was shitty specs.

It's like they made the console shit on intent. Although it was the last nintendo console with some VIDEO GAMES.

The Wii was a success because of the wagglan gimmick even if it was terrible, so they decided to make a new console with a new gimmick but the new gimmick didn't stick and it flopped like the wii should have.

Nintendo started building consoles around gimmicks nobody cares about because their execs are old nips who never played video games, whereas sony and MS have their gaming divisions ran by hip dads.

Sony and microsoft push new consoles with better hardware and the gimmicks are acessories, although the consoles and gimmicks are shit for their own reasons.

>>14759528

The Wii U supports the wii controller I think, but nobody bothered making wagglan "games" for the U.

Going from having the best hardware to the worst. Just cheapskate-shit in a world with sudden competition with deeper pockets.

I mean, why would you get a Gamecube when the PS2 and Xbox had way better games on it and the same games that the Gamecube had, usually played better on the other systems because it wasn't a cheap fucking machine. Same goes for the WiiU and the N64.

>>14759911

If they just merged the wagglan-controls and endless gadgets with VR, it could be cool. I remember playing some FPS-games on the Wii with that shooting-attachement and it was fun and worked. Should merge that with VR, make some decent games for it instead of the trash they do make for VR and you have solved the biggest f'n problem with VR-gaming, the shit controls and the boring games.

Wii suffered from the same shit though, shitty, cheap fucking games. Some of them was like playing flash-games on a free website.

>>14759903

> New Super Mario Switcharoo World

the funny thing is I bet this was one of the names on the table

N64 made money.

GC made money.

WiiU is the best Nintendo Emulation Station running everything except 3DS Games, no idea if it made money, probably not.

You forgot the Wii

Might as well add the Switch to the list

>N64

Cartridges killed it. FMV was important to wow normalfags back then, and N64 largely couldn't do FMV. Plus cartridges cost too much, and Nintendo was shittier to third parties. Ultimately, Nintendo lost most of its market share to Sony.

>GCN

Nintendo basically never recovered from the failure of the N64.

>Wii U

Wii players just bought the thing as a gimmick and none of them really even cared too much about vidya. Casuals already had phones and tablets to play on, so none of them were even interested in the Wii U. Too make matters worse, the marketing emphasized asymmetric gaming, and a really neat and fun feature that just doesn't sell, and a lot of people thought Wii U was just a tablet controller for the Wii. Either way, Nintendo was never gonna get back the casuals that bought a Wii for Wii Sports.

>>14760246

The Wii was a good console because it actually god third party support

>>14759750

Crash is great. You're full of shit, kid.

>>14759803

> no anon will ever call you a cute anime girl while trying to insult you

Feels bad

The N64 was no failure and to neglect to mention the Virtual Boy shows retardation.

>>14760255

>Cartridges killed it. FMV was important to wow normalfags back then, and N64 largely couldn't do FMV. Plus cartridges cost too much, and Nintendo was shittier to third parties. Ultimately, Nintendo lost most of its market share to Sony.

Ultimately them bringing shit to the company developing their fucking CD-addon fucked them the most, they went on and manufactured their own console since they already manufactured and sold audio equipment.

>>14760214

>spoonfeed me daddy!!

Cuckchan rapefugee faggot detected. Go back.

>>14759502

>n64

truly draconian treatment of third party devs and an insistence on cartridges

>gamecube

not nearly enough focus on online just as online was beginning to take off, still pretty bad to third-party devs

>wii u

obscenely expensive to produce, not enough devs wanted to develop for the gamepad, still shitty online support/service. frankly i think the wii u could have survived if nintendo had actually tried, repaired their third party problems and focused on strong first-party development, but instead they threw all their efforts into the switch almost immediately when the wii u started flagging. from a business standpoint probably pretty smart (why throw good money after bad when you can just release a nintendo-branded tablet and make billions) but obviously shitty for anyone who bought into the meme

>>14760185

It probably was until some sane person told them the game would bomb if it had that.

>>14760479

It did okay, but it lost the war to the PlayStation and software sales were lackluster since the games were way more expensive than on PSX.

>>14760676

This was never funny.

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14760479

>N64 did great

Sorry, not everyone is an American.

>>14760648

>It did okay

It didn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64#Sales

>>14760256

It sold well, but personally it's my least-favorite Nintendo console.

>fucking insanely-poor netcode on many online games, lagged and disconnected all the time

>waggle gimmick was fucking annoying and often poorly-used, making games sometimes unplayable unless they supported Gamecube or Classic controllers

>anemic hardware, meaning PS3/360 ports were rare, or were often compromised and had shitty substitutes instead, also contributed to the shovelware menace since devs could get away with shitty looking games and use the hardware as an excuse

>fucking inexcusable absence of quality control, often had to wave through mounds of shovelware to find decent games, or look all over the place for a shop that actually carries the good games instead of the shit ones

>first party games were often casualized and bastardized to justify the existence of the controller or appeal to casual scum, guilty games include Mario Kart Wii, Brawl, Metroid Other M, and Zelda Skyward Sword

>>14760806

It still did better than the Saturn and was even on-par with the Genesis. It only did poorly in Japan because it was almost-devoid of traditional RPG's.

>>14760794

Turok and Shadow Man were originally made for the N64 though, and were only ported to others later. The third Turok was always exclusive to N64.

>>14760808

Oh, and I forgot to mention friend codes. What a retarded fucking joke of an idea.

Sage for frequent posting.

>>14759502

One reason, in addition to what other anons have already said, is that Nintendo was much more draconian with third party developers, even in the NES and SNES days. So once Sony came along with less rules and a console that was much easier to work with most of them jumped ship and never looked back.

>>14760808

>fucking insanely-poor netcode on many online games, lagged and disconnected all the time

>playing online at all

I'm seeing where you're going and I'm not liking it.

>waggle gimmick was fucking annoying and often poorly-used, making games sometimes unplayable unless they supported Gamecube or Classic controllers

those games with poor implementation are mostly easily avoided. There's a few exceptions like DKCR but fortunately you can rebind controls in homebrew. It also led to a revival of light gun games on home consoles which was more than welcome after they began to fade out during the 6th generation. Also many arcade only light gun games saw home releases thanks to the wii. Not the best control method but it was good enough.

>anemic hardware, meaning PS3/360 ports were rare, or were often compromised and had shitty substitutes instead, also contributed to the shovelware menace since devs could get away with shitty looking games and use the hardware as an excuse

and also a few very good classic 3rd and 4th generation style ports where the games would be completely different or encouraged very unique releases such as Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop, Dead Space: Extraction and the best version of Ghostbusters The Video Game aka Ghostbusters 3.

>fucking inexcusable absence of quality control,

you know you don't have to play every game ever released for a platform, right?

>first party games were often casualized and bastardized to justify the existence of the controller or appeal to casual scum,

this is true, but the good news is you can play the Gamecube games because the Wii has perfect Gamecube backwards compatibility. Despite the first party lacking, Nintendo had real third party support for the first time since the SNES and we saw fantastic games like Elebits, Ivy the Kiwi?, Zangeki no Reignleiv, Tatsunoku vs Capcom, and Rodea the Sky Soldier. There was some seriously great games on the system and if all you were playing was carnival games and first party nintendo games online, you were gonna hate it. If all you focus is on the negative then you're gonna be growing awfully negative yourself.

>>14760868

Not really, Sega's mistakes during the mid to late 90s and Nintendo's success with things like Pokemon really widened that gap. Sega was still an arcade giant all throughout the 90s and the decline of that industry put them in a dire situation. In terms of market share before the 5th generation Sega had Nintendo on their heels.

>>14760882

Mostly in Europe where nintendo had zero presence. Nintendo still ruled japan and america. Not to mention the near monopoly they had on handhelds.

>>14760868

They pumped a shitload of money into marketing Pokemon because it sold after the Virtual Boy tanked because they needed software to extend the lifespan of the brick GB, and Pokemon worked. Pokemon literally killed the Game Gear, software stopped being developed for the console after it released.

>>14760912

Sega had half the market in America.

>>14759827

Nintendo always make money from their rabid autist fans buying anything they crimp out, but by that measure the Wii would be the greatest console ever made.

<mfw bought a wiiu for the legend of zelda and it never came out

>>14759827

If that were the case, they wouldn't have been so desperate to risk their company on motion controls and dual screen handhelds after two "regularly" designed consoles.. And again, Pokeyman kept the company stable.

>>14759502

It depends on your definition of failure. The N64 and Gamecube were probably failures because Nintendo spent so much on R&D back then. The WiiU was likely not a failure, even if it sold like shit relative to its peers besides the Xbone because the hardware was so old and cheap Nintendo likely took minimal losses at best. Iwatas strategy starting with the Wii was to use cheaper hardware because it was less risky and focus on other things to move units.

>>14760978

Rabid autist fans didn't make the Wii do gangbusters, that was grandmas and casuals.

>>14761017

True, but they always save them when they make a dogshit console.

>>14759843

They didn't release that stuff because the Playstation was announced. Sega Channel had been around for awhile and the 32X was the answer to the Star Fox. No one really took the PSX seriously until it started gaining third party support in Japan after it was released. Nintendo and Sega was so sure no one else could enter the console market that they thought they could get away with anything. That's why you see so much gimmick hardware for 16-bit consoles. They were trying to bring the arcade home.

Playstation took everyone by surprise because we'd seen plenty of 3DO-tier consoles come and go before and no one could break in. Sony got lucky the its competition at the time had gotten so incompetent. If SoJ and SOA could have gotten along and/or Nintendo released in 1995 instead of dragging their feet I doubt we'd even be talking about Sony as a gaming company today. For all its faults the main thing that killed the 64 was the late release coupled with third parties running to anyone that wasn't Nintendo. Sega could have positioned the Saturn to be where they ran too but they decided to fuck over the American market for no reason.

>>14760929

>>14761151

sony got lucky but it can't be underestimated how sharp they were and how rock solid the technology in the PS1 was. Everyone wanted to make 3D games but nobody was offering an easy work environment, a cheap work environment, and one that could produce such fast results like the PS1, all on top of being a solid platform for 2D games. Incompetence of the competition was one thing but Sony extremely good at everything they did at the time.

>>14759805

>normalfags didn't understand the gamepad

THIS.

Nintendo for some stupid reason assumed that normalfags were smarter than they thought they were with the Wii U and it's terrible marketing.

>The Gamepad itself, an expensive device that streams from the console seamlessly (which was impressive tech wise) though no normalfags knew or cared about that. They just assumed it was tablet (with it's own onboard processing) or at worse a portable Wii.

>Reused the same Wii logo, no attempt to change it or remove it's soft curves to make it look more edger (for the hardcore). To "upgrade" it for the next generation.

>The stupid double meaning "U" logo. It's supposed to be a finger touching a screen (blue positive space shape) and the "U" (formed from the negative space). Normalfags didn't even know what it was and just ignored it. Indenting it, so it's not on the same line as "Wii" doesn't help.

>Saying it was new console but hiding it behind the controller and not doing enough to make the new console look different from the Wii. Could you imagine how stupid the Switch marketing would look if the main focus ad images was having the Joy-Cons covering most of the Switch so you could barely see it? Instead of having the controller and console side by side.

>Experiencing viewer confusion about the Wii U from TWO separate E3 events and not doing anything to fix it. Even when they said they would not have another hardware naming problem after the 3DS's name issues.

>No marketing campaign to really fix these issues (though they did have to contend with high ad rates because of 2012 US president election), but instead TV ads involving kids instead. Because that's REALLY going to sell it to the adults now.

And this isn't even getting into the game design clusterfuck of making Wii U games with Gamepad Off TV play/two screens/asymmetrical multiplayer gameplay.

>One of the best fun you can have with your friends is play mario kart, mario party, SSB etc

>Failure

OP is either an underage faggot (likely in neo-nu-new/v/) or a faggot that didn't have friends. Possibly both.

>>14761230

playing mario kart and smash and mario party with your friends

stop revealing how much of a casual you are. If you aren't playing twinkle star sprites, virtual on and house of the dead 2 with your friends, you need to kys

>tfw Ninty's downward-spiral could've been avoided if they'd just allied with Sony

I wonder if Shiggy's still salty over it.

>>14760846

>Pokemon being a phenomenon kept Nintendo from going the way of Sega.

You do realize Nintendo had a successful handheld system at the time too right? Even if Pokemon never became a thing the GameBoy would've kept Nintendo afloat. SEGA ended up losing on all fronts. It's just not a fair comparison tbh

>>14761648

it doesn't matter if the n64 is superior in terms of hardware because almost all of its games run at 30fps or lower and there's like 1 60fps game on the platform. most ps1 3D games run at 30fps at least and there's tons of 60fps games. Hardware power means fuck all on paper if devs never do anything with it. It's all about what games are actually available

Ban this shit mark

i'm sick of these console wars threads with

no real content, when are you

going to do something about it?

Where has all the quality in this board and this site gone?

all i ever see now are template, 4am and waifu threads.

how long can you and your team keep turning a blind eye to this?

out of all the possible rules violations here you let them stick around

of course i'm just talking to myself here. Nothing will change.

>>14761852

Criticizing Nintendo isn't console war faggotry.

>>14761803

Developing for the N64 was made more difficult by Nintendo than anybody. Although having hardware that is synchronized to a retarded extent didn't help performance. I will happily play 20 fps games on the N64, but I'm not gonna say these games have held up well when I can pop in a Saturn game that runs at 60fps or a breakneck fast game like panzer dragoon zwei which runs at a solid 30. Or a breakneck 3D space shooter like Omegaboost on the PS1 which runs at 60FPS.

The problem with the N64 isn't quality, it's quantity. There's legitimately like 15-30 games worth playing on the N64 (depending on how generous you're willing to be.) The PS1 can have 2500 games and 99% can be shit and it'll still have a library of games worth playing about as big as the N64. We both know that isn't the case, however and there's literally hundreds of games on the PS1 worth someones time. Saturn has quite a lot too. Same goes for the Wii which last I checked has like 3000 games, but I'm fairly confident a good 100 or so of them are worth a shot.

>>14760882

>I'm seeing where you're going and I'm not liking it.

This was in the years before online multiplayer was completely-irredeemable, it was fair to expect that Nintendo could do something at least on par with what was possible in the previous gen but they couldn't even get that right.

>those games with poor implementation are mostly easily avoided. There's a few exceptions like DKCR but fortunately you can rebind controls in homebrew.

The fanmade fixes don't excuse the developer's fuckups.

>you know you don't have to play every game ever released for a platform, right?

It would be easy to not have to play the shittier games if they were easier to find or their prices dropped, but that didn't happen because the shelf space for the good games was being taken by shovelware.

Your other points are reasonable-enough, and it's not like I completely hate the Wii (there's a lot of virtue in its virtual console and homebrew potential, especially for emulators and CRT video output, and there are great games out there if you can find them or just pirate them), but it's a very flawed console, and compared to the Gamecube and N64 I'd put it on a lower level.

>The Virtual Boy goes without saying

But you just said it you Redditor idiod.

Sure the WiiU was a flop, but as a casual "I want to play/pirate Zelda, Mario Kart 8, and other popular nintendo titles for cheap and have hardware level backwards compatibility with the Wii and GC" -type of /tech/fag, getting one used and hacking it was amazing :)

>>14762049

The Wii U is a fucking amazing console for homebrew, the only disadvantage it has over Wii is the lack of 240p output, but you may not care about that if you're not a CRT fag like me.

>>14759502

they fucked up in the N64 whne they chose cartrisges instead of CDs, had they not btrayed Soyny back then it would't have bitten their asses so bad in the end, not just by giving the big N exclusivity on all that came out for the PS but it would have also prevented the PS2 from being such a powerfull copmpetitour seing as it would have no solid PS1 base to stand on

The Gamecube was fine, it's only problem was competing against the PS2 and the Swich was a succes… for nintendo, not the conummer, they literally had their fanboys pay for the privilege of beta testing the swich, how is that a failure?

>>14762768

>Virtua Racing

Mah nigga

Both n64 and gc literally had no gaems.

N64 was great but lacked 3rd party titles due to being hard to code for.

No idea about the gamecube, I wasn't paying attention to consoles then, as for the Wii U it was basically a massive marketing failure because very few people knew it was a new console, also it didn't do anything revolutionary like the Wii did to get normalfags attention.

>>14759502

>N64

Small library, expensive peripherals.

>Gamecube

Expensive peripherals.

>Wii U

Basically an unrequired release. Either it came out to soon after the Wii, or it came out too late before the Switch.

>>14762967

>>14763032

My cousin had one and it was graphically amazing at the time but had fuck all games.

>>14762768

Gaming magazine are full of shit and always have been, the only things people gave a shit about at the time were CDs and 3D, the PC Engine was on extended life support with its CD addon for years. For fucks sake, Sega rushed the Saturn's release since they were scared shitless of the PS1, they went full-on fucking retard.

bump

Oh wow mods decided not to be niggers for once.

>>14761744

>You do realize Nintendo had a successful handheld system at the time too right?

Yes, but Pokemon pretty much gave them a pile of millions to rest on, or at least trudge through the Gamecube era before realizing they needed a major console success to not die a death like Sega, hence the Wii.

>>14761973

>N64 had great experimental games for the time like 3D platformers but the PS1 had great traditional video games like RPGs or Arcade-types.

And even the PS1 has it out edged in "experimental games" by virtue of having a larger library, and with easier hardware to work with, it was more enticing to both developers of traditional and experimental games.

>>14761973

>I feel the N64 needs to be cut some slack.

Considering the amount of unwarranted praise it still gets, the slack is warranted; it's not a console that holds up over time, especially after all its classics have been played and discussed to death while people still find hidden gems on PS1 and Saturn to this day.

>>14759502

The problem is that Nintendo lacks basic common sense. Like they have a recipe for success, however they tend to avoid it for whatever reason. Whenever there's some kind of new change within the company there's also another change that holds them back from being creative. With the Wii it had motion controls in its favor, however the games on the platform were usually held back due to it current marketing push. Mind you the idea of going the casual audience was a double edged sword, Nintendo should've realized this when making the WiiU that the casual audience would not come back to them after the iOS got video games on its platform. The WiiU had a fuckload of problems with corporate mismanagement, censored games with removed content, lack of focus, etc. With the GameCube it was the mini disc system and just lack of respect for third party developers that really held them back, this is also the same case with the N64. Their stubbornness gets in the way of what makes a good product. They finally seemed to have repaired these third party developer problems internally, but even then when the bigger third parties want to port over their games they're usually held back from the spec sheet of a system.

Nintendo originally wanted the Switch to have 2GB of RAM rather than 4GB, Capcom then called them a bunch of idiots and that their 3D games can't even support 2GB of RAM. So Nintendo upped it to 4GB rather than just going a full 8GB. We almost got a "hybrid console" with 2GB of RAM in 2017, when my phone has bloody 8GB of RAM. Hell you would think with all of these developers wanting to come to your platform that you would make a new chipset rather than just stealing an old chipset from an old tablet. But nope, gotta save that bling bling. Thankfully karma is a bitch and now piracy will be a big issue for Nintendo when it comes to the Switch.

I guess the issue with Nintendo is that they're too closed off from the rest of the gaming community. They do their thing and their thing only, and that's an issue for people who want to develop on their platforms and those of us who want to consume this content. Unfortunately due to Sony's incompetence the Switch's only competition is the GPD Win 2, and that handheld is like 700 dollars. And even then AAA games from the PS4 era struggle to be run on the GPD Win 2, which is much more powerful that what's in the Switch. So as a console it's already failed, but as a handheld it's a very interesting concept. I'm looking forward to the future of the Switch, but I expect things like universal cloud saves and a proper virtual console to never be on the system.

>>14761852

The OP is trash, but the rest of the thread is fine. I'll allow it for now until it turns into trash.

>>14766090

That you locked it in the first place is proof of your incompetence. Kill yourself faggot.

>>14759502

Nintendo is run by old Japanese men. Japs don't like to take risks, old men don't like to take risks. Combine them and they were blind to advances in tech.

>>14767137

>>14766218

Yeh but it came out well for everyone.

>>14767829

that's true

>>14759502

>N64

>failure

????

>>14761566

That's a funny way of saying the Wii.

>>14760794

>Except that wasn't until the 6th gen.

This is a pretty small point of contention, I didn't originally feel like arguing the point, but I may as well point out that Microsoft acquired Rare during the transitory period between 5th and 6th gen:

Game development costs gradually increased, and Nintendo did not provide Rare with more capital nor did they purchase the company's remaining stake. According to Rare founders Tim and Chris Stamper, they were surprised that Nintendo did not directly acquire the studio. Rare then looked for potential buyers. In early 2000, workers from Activision and Microsoft began visiting Rare with purchase offers. Rare was interested in Activision's offer, but the deal collapsed and on September 24, 2002 Microsoft purchased Rare for $375 million. Rare became a first-party developer for Microsoft's Xbox. Character trademarks from games developed by Rare for Nintendo consoles, such as Conker of Conker's Bad Fur Day and Banjo of the Banjo-Kazooie series, were retained by Rare; intellectual property created by Nintendo, such as Donkey Kong and Star Fox, were retained by Nintendo. This left Donkey Kong Racing, due for release for the GameCube, unreleased. 30 employees left Rare during the transition.

>>14768916

Seeing as how Rare was 100% composed of leftists, Nintendo did the right thing.

>>14763745

>Sega rushed the Saturn's release since they were scared shitless of the PS1, they went full-on fucking retard.

Sega of Japan went full retard with the Saturn. Sega of America was originally partnering with Silicon Graphics before they partnered with Nintendo, but Sega of Japan rejected the offer.

>>14766086

>Nintendo originally wanted the Switch to have 2GB of RAM rather than 4GB, Capcom then called them a bunch of idiots and that their 3D games can't even support 2GB of RAM. So Nintendo upped it to 4GB rather than just going a full 8GB.

How much more would the system cost if they went for 8GB of RAM? I know the small amount of RAM is going to hurt them in the long run, but I can't imagine the Switch being more expensive then it already is. I think they should've added upgradeable RAM just like they did with the N64.

>>14766086

6GB of RAM would of been good

>>14762768

>The actual answer to Star Fox you're looking for to is the SVP chip, which was used in the Mega Drive port of Virtua Racing.

I'm aware of the SVP and I'm also aware how much that game cost when it was new due to the fact that the custom chip was included. The 32X was the answer to that problem, the idea was to charge the customer for the extra hardware once and then make games for it that you could sell for the price of a typical cartridge. I don't know who Retro-whatever was interviewing but they were talking out of their ass. No one took the Jaguar seriously.

It's a shame the GC had to be the last Nintendo console with actual contemporary competitive hardware, and even that had to be ruined with the tiny discs.

>>14769348

RAM is dirt cheap, it wouldn't have increased the price dramatically.

Was N64 a failure ? it sold pretty damn well and had a shitload of quality games, which us who owned a PSX at that time wanted badly to play them.

>>14769493

You are fucking retarded, you seriously fucking think Sega ever gave a fuck about America because some kikes told you they cared about your money? Why the fuck do you think the date was one fucking day before the PS1 release in Japan you stupid fucking retard? That they rushed the Saturn's release by a fucking month at a gaming conference to show up Sony? Why people bitched about the Sega Channel being worthless with the new generation of consoles coming up? Why Donkey Kong Country was released several weeks before the PS1 launch, a "3D" game? You subhuman fucking retard.

>>14770346

>RAM is dirt cheap

Who told you that?

>>14763032

nigga do you realize how much even a single speed cd drive costed in 1993? Adding an extra hundred or two dollars to the price of the console would not have been the solution to their problems. You saw how much the cd add on they did eventually release for it costed.

And by the way, any part of the original 1970s atari hasn't existed since like 1999 or 2000. Anything with the atari logo or brand on it now days has absolutely nothing to do with the original company or people.

>>14761508

>>14766218

I heard that Sony would have had all of the rights to all of the games released on the CD. Sounds like Nintendo stopped a bad situation from getting worse.

If Nintendo had a modem, and goldeneye had an online mode…

>>14770961

Pretty sure they didn't unless they published the games themselves.

>Sounds like Nintendo stopped a bad situation from getting worse.

Funny considering it was Nintendo who demanded they publish all games on the NES during the 80s in addition to controlling how many carts could be manufactured, and didn't stop until they got fucking sued.

>>14771084

>>14770961

Actually, I remember hearing the same thing about hypothetical games on SNES CD, but considering Sony doesn't outright own all PS1 games besides ones published by SCEA, I doubt that original publishing agreement would've worked.

It was still retarded for Nintendo to basically yank Sony's chain and immediately nuke their agreement in favor of Phillips, thinking Sony wouldn't hear about a sudden change in partnerships that was announced in front of an audience at fucking CES.

>if something isn't popular it is bad

the wii u tablet is the most comfortable first party controller ever created

>>14771105

>>14771084

>>14770961

It wasn't about the property of the game itself (guess it was up to the publisher, as normal) but the profit margins were pretty much "the lion's share for Sony". Considering they had manufacturing plants for Sony Music (which served as the base for PS1's disc production), they would've taken care of the disc production, pressing and distribution, so that was even more of the profit for them.

Therefore, Nintendo dropped them, switch to Philips and we got the CD-i games out of that.

Meanwhile Sony, with their newfound game oriented experience, existing (and thriving) consumer electronics market and CD pressing facilities based on Sony Music's system, decided to one-up Nintendo, and that was all they needed. PS1 especially enticed publishers since they weren't downright draconian when it came to game licensing, manufacturing costs were way cheaper compared to carts, Sony had some kind of antipiracy/region locking method (wasn't that effective but it was an advantage for them at the start of the generation), the system was made to work with 3D games while having resources to make them decent enough, and the ~700MB space was also a big deal for the games.

>>14759747

No. Seeing Mario 64, B+K, B+T execute against an FPGA with a debugger, I am certain that there is no relation. Even without going under the hood, its obvious Rare spare no expense trying to squeeze every resource out of the N64. Rares use of microcode speaks volumes.

>>14771175

Nah the Xbox division for all their faults makes some damn comfy controllers.

>>14771230

It had nothing to do with xenophobia, they were scared shitless they would lose relevance in the Japanese market with companies with Sony announcing their 3D system before their previous planned launch date (the Sega CD had jack shit 3rd party support due to the PC Engine CD released years before it) and they did all they knew how to do to stay relevant.

>>14771319

Huh, my apologies then.

>>14759840

>DD add-on was a flop

The 64DD should've been the Nintendo 64 itself. It would at least keep at least some of the third parties with them and maybe even allow them to win that generation.

>>14770419

I owned a PS1 back then, and I regretted that I could not play games like Perfect Dark, Doom 64, Turok and Goldeneye, just to name a few examples from head.

>>14759502

N64 was stupidly hard to develop for, from what i remember, lots of little bottlenecks the developers had to jump through to get anything usable out of the hardware, and most either just couldn't hack it or weren't willing to.

>>14773940

The N64 was doomed to fail forever.

>>14759544

It also had arguably the best F-Zero game. Honestly, I don't think N64 or GCN deserve to be compared to the Wii U or the Virtual Boy by any measure.

>>14780369

>Doom 64

Has a better levelset and more interesting weapons compared to Doom 2. Are you gay?

>Turok

Oh, you're extremely gay

>>14780369

is there a n64 emulator out there that fixes the low frames that the original n64 hardware had?

>>14780433

There is a 60 FPS build of 1964 with mouselook support for Golden Guy and Perfect Dork.

http://www.shootersforever.com/forums_message_boards/viewtopic.php?t=7045

>>14780547

thanks ill check this out, i heard also that somebody was working on a smooth frame mario64 too

>inb4 OP retards screech about a shit thread getting locked for dragging N64 and GC down to Wii U

>>14780595

Huh?

>>14759544

GameCube bad great games, but it got a distant second behind the underpowered PS2 because everyone wanted a DVD player in 2001.

I know it sounds ridiculous now, but that is literally want happened.

>>14774013

>I owned a PS1 back then, and I regretted

PS1 wasn't great for short burst gaming or local multiplayer without buying extra peripherals those games were much better on Saturn and N64.

>>14774158

It was mostly due to the small texture cache, RAM, and the aforementioned cartridge format. The limited texture cache required developers to use bilinear filtering to fit textures onto 3D models which, along with the small cartridge space resulted in the N64's infamous blurry textures.

Also, Nintendo gave poor documentation of the N64's APIs to third party developers and the official SDK was quite limited (there was no debugger included for one) and Nintendo refused to share their more advanced code libraries to third party developers until the end of the Nintendo 64's life which resulted in mediocre third-party support.

>>14780640

It was third place worldwide.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(sixth_generation)#Worldwide_sales

>>14781608

Read the thread

>>14759502

The gimmicks they spent more time on than getting decent games from third parties.

>>14782508

So fat you have stretch marks on your face.

>>14759711

>be Sega in the early 90s

>Genesis outselling the SNES in the US, everything is going great

>CD-ROM tech is slowly gaining traction

>sounds great, let's make an addon with few games for the Genesis while CD drive prices haven't gone down

<32-bit CD-based consoles are on the horizon

>let's put the most powerful blitters inside our Genesis succe-

<PS1 announced, 3D everywhere

>well lets duct tape some quadrilateral vector processing capability on one our 8 processors, it'll be fine right?

<PS1 release date announced

>scared.jpg

>m-must find s-some way to incorporate m-muh 32bit 3D grafics in the Genesis, we wouldn't want to lose customers now would we

>make 32X addon, release it in fall 1994

>doesn't sell too well

>PS1 gaining hype

>fuck it, we're pushing the Saturn launch to May 1995 instead of September, wouldn't want to let Sony gain the upper hand now would we

<pissed off retailers wipe the Saturn from their planned inventory, unwilling to reschedule a gorillion shipments+orders at a moment's notice

>w-why would they do that?

<Saturn launches in Nihon, sells well initially and has fun games

<doesn't do too well in the US

>fug, we must do something to appease our greatest customers

>El Americano eterno prefers 3D akshin gayumz, let's only localize those we'll save money that way

<PS1 launches

<has a much larger variety of games than the US Saturn, sees many nip games localized to the US with great success regardless of their technological sophistication

<sells like hotcakes while the Saturn declines

>crying_anime_girl.gif

>w-where the fuck is our Sonic game, we need a fucking Sonic game god help

<Sonic Xtreme canceled due to poor management

<n64 released with SM64 as its premier launch title

>contemplating_suicide.png

>no, let's not do that

>Men, we must put heart and soul into our next console if we are to survive this war

>katana_forging_montage.webm

>through hard, spirited work the Dreamcast is created

>much more powerful hardware than the competition, although 3rd parties are cautious after the Saturn

<Dreamcast launches in Nihon with nogaems and insufficient unit stocks

<it sells, but below expectations

>prayer.jp2

>w-we absolutely can't afford to botch the US launch this time

>let's wait a bit for new games to arrive, then launch the DC in the US on 09/09/99

<Dreamcast launches in US

>there, now hopefully this should allow us to stay aflo-

<PS2 announced weeks later

>>14759502

>N64

Carts.

While playing the games released was great due to no load times, the limited storage scared off many 3rd party developers. This isn't good when Nintendo was already pretty strict with what could be released on the system and competitors were offering consoles with cheaper development costs.

>Gamecube

Kiddie design (could have been lessened if they promoted black more than purple), miniDVD repeating the CD fiasco (though not quite as badly at least), and online being an afterthought mitigated to an adapter that was barely advertised and and not sold in general stores. I always wanted to play Double Dash or Kirby Air Ride with friends, but none of us knew what to do since the Gamecube had no ethernet port and no store sold the BBA. When someone and their brother(s) all had friends over we'd have to settle with either playing something else or taking turns. Years later I still can't believe Nintendo had networking in place and missed out on the opportunity.

3rd party support improved from the N64, but not by much.

>WiiU

Tried to sell it as Wii 2 (with some of the worst marketing ever for a console) while being unaware of the huge drop in Wii sales by 2010 or so. The Wii was also heavily criticized for its strong focus on motion-control (ie shitty gimmicks) rather than graphics and processing power later. This was more common of a complaint by 2009-2011, but still before November 2012 when the Wii U released. The Wii U didn't address this and still released a console only barely better in specs than the PS3/360 but left it under-performing again once the PS4/XB1 released.

It also hurt that Animal Crossing never got a Wii U release, and Pokemon only got Pokken released late in the console's life. Both franchises could have helped boost sales but they missed an opportunity.

>>14786410

>I always wanted to play Double Dash or Kirby Air Ride with friends, but none of us knew what to do since the Gamecube had no ethernet port and no store sold the BBA. When someone and their brother(s) all had friends over we'd have to settle with either playing something else or taking turns. Years later I still can't believe Nintendo had networking in place and missed out on the opportunity.

None of Nintendo's games had online support, that was all hacked together by autists. The only games that officially supported the online adapter was PSO, and that was all Sega. At most, Nintendo's games used the adapter for LAN and nothing else.

>>14786428

>None of Nintendo's games had online support

Even in the games it just said LAN. I knew that meant local network even as a kid. We figured there must be a way to connect Gamecubes together like some people did with Halo at the time with Xbox. It's just that Nintendo half-assed the networking, never advertised it, and only sold it online.

Same thing with the component cables. The original Gamecubes supported RGB, but the cables were never sold in stores, not advertised, then Nintendo assumed there was no demand and dropped RGB support because no one bought the cables they didn't know existed.

>>14787066

He's right though. It was a case of style over substance.

>>14790929

Nah fuck you.

>>14796645

Not an argument.

>>14759502

>Nintendo 64

Almost complete lack of 3rd party releases leading to an extremely small total library.

>Gamecube

Lack of broadband adapters? I dunno I thought it did pretty well.

>Wii U

Deprecated the Wii too soon, and then subsequently deprecated by the Switch too soon as well.

The wiiu was not a failure, it made profit.

>>14805463

so that's why it was discontinued?

>>14805463

Just because it made a dollar doesn't mean it wasn't a failure. All Nintendo systems have to make profit, it's how Nintendo stays afloat.

>>14770784

He probably hasn't check the price of ram for a few years. Ram used to be dirt cheap but now it costs an arm and a leg for even 2 gigs.

>>14759502

N64 and Gamecube did great even though their now notoriously bad third party support started becoming apparent with the latter. The Wii U's bad numbers were mostly due to awful marketing and branding, and made Nintendo's already wavering third party developer support look elsewhere. When I first heard of it I assumed it was just a peripheral for the Wii or some Brain Age style party quiz game.

>>14805386

Neither is yours faggot. The games fine. Faggots just get mad because it's a linear line.

>>14759840

>>14760794

>Shadowman

Man that game was such shit.

>>14773940

The DD wasn't really impressive, however. The magnetic discs it took were still much smaller in capacity than CDs.

The only way the 64 could have beaten the PS is if it took CDs and had more dev-friendly hardware.

and had a non-retarded controller, holy shit

>>14806633

>>14805463

There's a difference between surviving and thriving. The 64 and GC turned a profit, but the much higher sales of the PS1/2 showed that Nintendo could have been much more successful at the time.

Same with the Wii U. It may have turned a profit but only because they played it way too safe and didn't go all-in when it became apparent it couldn't pull a 3DS. Low risk, low reward. It was definitely a failure compared to the Wii which was low risk, huge reward.

>>14807601

64 was a better console though.

>>14818010

PS1 had a less performance heavy rendering system, that's why it's the better console.

>>14780547

The mouselook makes it hilariously easy.

>>14818123

Guys what did he mean by this?

>>14818134

The PS1 rendered polygons using 16-bit fixed-point operations. The N64 on the other hand usually used more performance-intensive 32-bit float operations. This meant the PS1 could push polygons more easily but led to the "jitter" effect seen in some games. While the N64 was capable of the same thing, Nintendo was strict about avoiding this effect IIRC

>>14807138

i also made the mistake of buying it based on the cover

>>14818179

Holy shit fuck sony

It's a lot simpler than you guys think, it's just a matter of how hard a Nintendo console is to develop for.

NES: very common CPU, very easy to develop for

SNES: popular CPU architecture similar to the one used in the Apple IIgs

N64: custom CPU, custom GPU

Gamecube: easy to develop for CPU and GPU, and a giant fuck you with a 1.5GB disc when everyone else had 4.7GB to 8.5GB

Wii: piss easy to develop for, huge success

Wii U: game pad gimmick that required extra developer attention, because the GPU treated it as a second monitor, the game pad screwed you over as a game dev and you lost performance even if you didn't use the game pad

Switch: off the shelf ARM CPU with very common GPU

If you make your console a pain in the ass to develop for, you need to give developers a reason to deal with the bullshit.

>>14818134

In that generation, there was two ways to render polygons. One was very fast, but it caused that shitty wobbling and shifting that Playstation 1 is notorious for. The other was much slower, but didn't cause polygons and textures to wobble and move. That's what the Nintendo 64 used.

N64 also had some post-processing effects that hurt performance too, that Playstation lacked. It's why N64 textures look blurry and soft and PS textures look pixelated.

>>14818179

Beat me to it. Nintendo had the better hardware, and Sony took a lot of shortcuts to get better performance. And Nintendo foolishly assumed people would rather have better image quality at 15fps than warping polygons at 30fps or 60fps. And they were wrong.

>>14759502

>what went wrong with the N64 and the Gamecube

the only thing that went wrong with those two was that their era didn't last Long enough.

Nintendo abandoned their core values of "lateral thinking with withered technology" with the N64, Gamecube and Virtualboy.

They forgot to market the Wii U.

>>14818511

how was the N64 withered technology, it had better specs, the cube had better specs too but arrived too late to to the market

>>14818215

If by shortcuts you mean saving a ton of money on the system making it cheaper for everyone and resulting in games that both look and perform better, you're right. Mind you SGI developed the N64's hardware to meet Nintendo's specifications and price point. I don't think Nintendo had room to be flexible here considering they were both late to the party and the PS1 was 200 dollars months before the n64 hit.

>>14818542

I said they abandoned their core value of "lateral thinking with withered technology" with the N64

>>14807553

They could've increased the disk size. Zip disks pretty much used the same technology and can hold up almost the same amount of data as regular CDs at the time.

>>14818542

The SNES and NES were not high-spec systems, the SNES CPU was a bitch to make any fun action games without an assload of slowdown since it's a slow piece of shit compared to the Genesis which was released years before it. They were calculated budgeted shots with marketing to sell the products, the N64 was a crapshoot since cartridges were expensive as fuck compared to the competition for both developers and customers. The same with the Virtual Boy, they rushed untested technology out of R&D to get a 3D console out on their own territory with the PS1 being released in Japan. Then they had a hard time trying to get developers on the Gamecube since the disc size was a joke and they had to compete with a developer that a lot of their fans only bought Mario for.

>>14822907

Also I specifically mentioned the GBC pokemon, because anyone who had an N64 had that game. Which added to the whole "interwoven" part I mentioned. You could even play it on the N64 if you had pokemon stadium. There was also shit like "Hey you Pikachu". It seems Nintendo was way better at getting their brand out there on multiple fronts back then, even if the N64 flopped.

>>14818170

based shad

>>14822907

It's mostly what you said about brand recognition and Pokemon as well as that fact that unlike the PS1, none of the later consoles have N64 backward compatibility (not including the Virtual Console) which can explain why prices on N64 consoles, and accessories are going up lately.

Also, despite the console's small library and how shitty the games truly are. There are a lot of critically acclaimed games on the N64 like Goldeneye 007 and Ocarina of Time which were praised for their innovative gameplay. And the system is probably remembered to normalfags as being the most innovative of its generation with its four controller ports, rumble paks, and analog controls even if the PS1 and Saturn have their fair share of innovations as well if not more.

>>14823051

*remembered by normalfags

>>14823051

I think it also had to do with a consistent art style in the main titles, except for Golden Eye and Perfect Dark. PS1 was all over the place. Either pretty attempting to be photo-realistic or straight up cartoony. Side Note; It might be strange, but Silent Hill to me feels more real to me than modern games. It must be the texture/color usage, lack of shitty tinting and abuse of shaders. Anyways. If you think N64 you immediately think of either Mario, Zelda or Pokemon. If you think of PS1 there's so much variety. This makes it fit inside the brain of normalfags better I suppose.

Also Saturn never really got off the shelves enough to get nastolgia blinders like this.

>>14823051

>which can explain why prices on N64 consoles, and accessories are going up lately.

Prices on everything go up because scalpers buy up shit.

>>14806898

>not the best means you didn't do great

Are you an asian parent or something?

Console sales are useless metrics anyway, game sles are what counts due to the considerably higher profit margin on them. PS2s were sold at a loss at times, Xboxes were always sold at a loss, and there's no way of knowing how many people bought the PS2 purely or almost purely as a DVD player.

>>14818215

By your logic the PS3 would have done terrible, which I'd safely say it didn't. It certainly had an architecture no one liked developing for though, even if it was technically superior if you're competent.

>>14823202

>By your logic the PS3 would have done terrible

The PS3 bombed when it originally came out and people thought Sony was fucked. Even Gabe Newell was trashing it. I forget what exactly turned it around.

>>14823144

>>14823215

Didn't mean to sage either of these.

>>14823215

gabe newell was trashing it because he wanted to prop up his own platform and because he's lazy. The turn around was Sony getting excellent software tools out there and setting a new industry standard for developer support and documentation.

Nothing wrong with the GC and N64. Lots of good games and good controllers, wii u was a shit tho but still has a few good games and support for GC, WII and N64 games if modded.

>Still don't have a wiiu and my GC is obsoleted by my modded wii.

>>14818542

>the cube had better specs

lolno. the xbox had twice as much ram, a 600mhz pent 3 proccesor and a geforce 3 gfx chip, support for full size DVDs and CDs AND an 8 gigabyte HDD to rip CDs to and store saves.

>>14823171

Scalpers buy up shit that is popular or that they think/know is going to be popular. They look at what normalfags are talking about or what video a popular e-cleb has done recently and buy a bunch of what they are scalping. So, they knew that the N64 was going to be more popular than the Playstation in terms of retro sales.

>>14780351

>eye strain, migranes

Genetically inferior.

>having to use eight batteries for 2 hours of play time

It came with a fucking AC adapter and a stand. Why in two shits would you use batteries? You can run a Genesis on 9V batteries, too.

>>14823265

Metal Jesus looks like an old trannie, and needs to commit suicide like one, too.

>>14823265

I'm stockpiling PS's because local thriftstores and kijiji listings sell for like 15 dollars no hookups. then resell them for 60 on facebook and ebay

>>14823272

>defending the VB

seriously nig?

>>14823280

You're a scalping nigger just like them, buying shit up. Disgusting normalfaggot freak.

>>14823293

If you're going to complain about the VB, complain that Nintendo was too jewish to wait for blue LEDs to become economically feasible, and that they rushed the goddamn thing out of the gate without any third party support to speak of.

>>14767829

I wonder if games like FF and RE would have still gone to shit if the PS didn't exist, all that appealing to the western audience and shit. Hell Sony is pretty much a western company at this point.

>>14823337

this x40, if you buy ANYTHING you're a scalper and need to be hanged.

>>14823372

Didn't mean to upload first pic.

>>14823349

I think the VB would have flopped even if it was full color.

>>14796681

Not only that, but you had to do this fucky shit where you hold down the B button during bootup to enable 480p mode.

>>14823379

Oh yeah, like a VR GBA would have bombed.

>>14823386

That was an issue with the PS2 as well; some games allowed for 480p to be toggled in the menu, while others required a button combo (usually triangle and X) right before the game boots up. The OG Xbox was the only console with 480p that could be set as the default resolution in the system's menu.

>>14823426

480p wasn't very commonly supported on consumer level devices with component input at the time. The average price of a plasma TV at the time which would have supported 480p and would have actually looked good unlike LCD was $10,000 in 2003.

>>14823440

True, but you also had EDTV CRTs which weren't as expensive and could support resolutions up to 1080i (my family got one in late 2003/early 2004). Of course those had the problem of being fucking heavy once you get up to sizes past 30 inches.

>>14823440

I just bought a 16x9 EDTV back then. Wasn't very expensive, since CRTs were on their way out. Perfect screen for Rogue Leader. DVDs also looked great because they could be displayed anthropomorphically with no loss of resolution.

>>14823462

ANAMORPHICALLY. Fuck. The internet has ruined my brain.

>>14823451

HD capable CRTs were also expensive and most consumers didn't see them as a big upgrade over SD ones.

>>14823475

They were not nearly as expensive as Plasmas or LCDs.

>>14823468

>>14823462

I now need to see a sexy anthropomorphic DVD.

>>14823480

Yeah, but consumer HD crts sucked for the most part.

>>14823410

How many successful products has Nintendo made using cutting edge technology?

It would have been too expensive, and have the same issues as the VB and current VR, of about a quarter of the population never being able to adjust to the nausea.

>>14823490

Only their size and weight made them unwieldy. Of course in hindsight they suck because all the digital processing they use adds more lag to older consoles when compared to normal CRTs.

>>14823365

Don't excuse yourself for buying up multiple copies of something made as a surplus for multiple people to purchase and enjoy just because you could make a profit off of it just because it's one of the last remaining things not ruined by you for profit and destruction of anything white people enjoyed you filthy fucking parasite.

>>14823655

>replying to yourself

>>14823337

>Disgusting normalfaggot freak.

I may be disgusting and a freak but i am not a normalfag

>>14759502

It's difficult to understate how important DVD functionality was to the PS2 vs GCN fight at the time. Back then DVD players were luxury items; even if a family had one, then only had one and it was in the living room. A kid wanting a console for games ("what should I beg my parents for?") was much more likely to convince mom and dad to get a PS2 since it acted as a DVD player as well as a game console. Even if the family had a DVD player, a kid generally wanted his own player in his room for hanging out with friends. The PS2 did this, the GCN did not. Many times I went over to a friend's house with a DVD and they said "oh we can watch it in my room with my PS2!" Even if they had a family DVD player, the kid didn't want to sit in the living room with the rest of the family to hang out with friends, he took the disc and friends to his room and watched it on a PS2, no matter how slow or clunky it was (no remote, must control the movie with a wired PS2 controller).

If a kid from a mid- or low-income family had a choice between a game console or a DVD player, why not choose one thing that acts as both?

I'm guessing this is why Microsoft went all out to advertise the Xbox whatever as a "whole entertainment system for the whole family"; they saw how DVD functionality boosted PS2 sales and tried to build on that with streaming bullshit or whatever integrated into their console. What Microsoft wasn't aware of is that kids generally didn't really want one machine to do everything; PS2 owners (kids) used their PS2 as a DVD player because that was their only option in the family budget.

>>14770419

Jesus Christ, they were selling the fucking Pippin all the way up to 07, even with its ass sales? Replying to pic related, not your actual post.

>>14823491

NES,SNES, maybe the early DS? other than those though, most consoles had inferior hardware.

>>14824706

back when the PS2 hit DVD players cost $100. They were not luxury items. PS2 helped the adoption of DVD, but DVD also helped itself by getting better over time. Compare original DVD releases to laser disc releases at the time and the laser disc still looks better. People saw it was a big jump over VHS, PS2's scratched two itches, and that's what helped it succeed. But they weren't luxury items. They were in the mid 90s. When the PS2 came around? Affordable and common.

>>14823349

I'm complaining about it because it's a shitty fucking console all around dipshit. If you genuinely think looking at scanlines for several hours at a time only gives headaches to the weak you're fucking retarded.

>>14824706

>>14823215

The Wii reached peak saturation with the casuals in 2010 leaving hardcore gamers wanting something more-Microsoft failed to capitalize on this by putting out the Kinect around the same tiimeframe and dropped the ball in regards to exclusives ever since.

>>14822907

What's different now is over complication. N64 Smash had just a handful of very recognizable characters except maybe Ness, and Pokemon Snap was just taking picture of the Gen 1 Pokemon almost everyone knows. Now Smash has like 60 fighters that most people don't even recognize all of, and Pokemon almost has 1000 different species now.

>>14825314

Neither of those were cutting edge. The Famicom was 2 years old when the NES released, and the SNES had a pretty weak CPU. The DS had a bunch of bells and whistles but with inexpensive hardware.

>>14825314

SNES was also behind tbh.

>>14828255

>scanlines

I don't think you know what this word means

>>14759502

>n64 and GameCube were failures

This is news to me. And I had 3 fucking gamecubes in my house.

>>14843158

I have 3 Wii U's, doesn't change a thing unfortunately

N64 was insanely popular. Every single one of my friends, even the poor ones, had a N64 back in the day. Goldeneye and Wave Race were must haves for any sleepover. OP is a clueless underage faggot.

>Failure

<Define failure.

Didn't they all make profit? Wii U significantly less so, but still. I thought the gamecube was very cost efficient that Nintendo still made sales on the systems as well as the games.

>>14843391

One point made is everyone only ever had a handful of games for the n64, and it was usually the same games.

>>14762986

>N64 had no games

OoT, Majora's Mask, Diddy Kong Racing, etc.

>NGC had no games

Mario Sunshine (as much of a shit game that was, fucking 100%ing it is a pain), Melee, Luigi's Mansion, etc.

>>14843088

I do but "barcode scanner" was a bit outside of my head atm.

All 3 had good games, nothing went wrong as far as consumers should be concerned

/v/, stop trying to do history revisionism. Especially for console from before you were born.

>>14843867

They didn't have very many good games and in a lot of cases consumers would have gotten many more hours of entertainment with another platform. Most did by owning several platforms.

>>14843875

I'm a genesis boy, get fucked faggot.

>>14843887

No, you were not. You're a teenager LARPing as an old guy. You were not alive by the time these systems were new. Your first game was probably some browser flash game back in the mid 00s.

>>14843922

The genesis was released back in 1989, that was 3 decades ago. I grew up playing used shit personally since I couldn't afford buying a new console myself since we were poor as fuck. I was playing genesis games back when you could easily find copies of genesis and SNES games for dirt cheap in piles since kikes didn't give a fuck about used plastic toys back then and goystop didn't kill the nicer stores off.

>>14843391

>N64 was insanely popular.

Once again, not everyone is a burger >>14760806

>>14843158

>This is news to me

I posted the sales figures for the, in this thread. N64 tanked outside of America, GC was 3rd place overall in the 6th gen.

>>14843527

>N64 had no games

Compared to tPS1 and Saturn, it didn't.

>NGC had no games

It had piss poor 3rd party support compared to its competitors, though it was more than the N64 had.

>>14843875

>/v/, stop trying to do history revisionism.

Tell that to the manchildren who think that playing Goldeneye and Mario Kart constantly means the N64 had sales comparable to its competitors

>>14845188

>Tell that to the manchildren who think that playing Goldeneye and Mario Kart constantly means the N64 had sales comparable to its competitors

Dude, are you fucking retarded? In that wikipedia link you're using as an example it even says

>The Nintendo 64 was in heavy demand upon its release. David Cole, industry analyst, said "You have people fighting to get it from stores."[56] Time called the purchasing interest "that rare and glorious middle-class Cabbage Patch-doll frenzy". The magazine said celebrities Matthew Perry, Steven Spielberg's office, and some Chicago Bulls players called Nintendo to ask for special treatment to get their hands on the console.[70]

>During the system's first three days on the market, retailers sold 350,000 of 500,000 available console units.[56] During its first four months, the console yielded 500,000 unit sales in North America.[71] Nintendo successfully outsold Sony and Sega early in 1997 in the United States;[72] and by the end of its first full year, 3.6 million units were sold in the U.S.[73] BusinessWire reported that the Nintendo 64 was responsible for Nintendo's sales having increased by 156% by 1997

The system sold like hotcakes. FFFS, at least read the thing your linking to before you start spouting nonsense.

>>14845509

Yeah, turns out having more games and third party support ended up keeping the thing alive well into its successors lifetime. Pretty wild isn't it?

>the N64

failed because nintendo refused to switch to cd because they were kikes, so they used cartridges which have less than a quarter the space than a cd and had a shit controller.

>The Gamecube

Failed because instead of using the dvd standard, they decided to minidisc which had 1.5gb max of storage instead of a dvd which could go up to 4.5gb.

>The Wii U

Failed because people thought it was an accessory because it was so poorly named.

>used a gymicy tablet controller instead of having decent hardware.

And also all 3 failed because they got shit third party support.

>>14823462

>>14823467

If the internet didn't ruin you why else would you be here?

>>14822907

I'm not entirely sure, but I have a few ideas.

A lot of it is probably millenials who grew up on Pokemon and other Nintendo stuff. (You really can't understate Pokemon's success as a franchise. Name another franchise that has been able to expand into other media as much as Pokemon.) I'm not saying Pokemon is the most successful franchise ever, even if it is up there, but most franchises can't expand as far as Pokemon did with at least moderate success in most areas.

There's also the fact that a lot of Nintendo's major franchises are still around making them more easily recognizable on older platforms. If Sony had more exclusive franchises on PS1 that were still ongoing to this day, it might have more nostalgia than it currently does.

The N64, despite a lot of hardware fuckups, did produce a few highly critically-acclaimed games that still get recognized to this day for either how good or how influential they were. (Whether you believe it's true or not is irrelevant because they're still used in clickbait top 10 lists everyone else has already done.)

I had fun playing N64 with my friends at the time, but a lot of its games really didn't age as well as people realize. Not necessarily bad, but not as fun as when I was a kid or when I was somehow used to the weird controller.

>>14822907

Is it hard to just say it had a decent library? Not as large as earlier consoles but still a good amount of solid titles.

>>14846165

The N64 was a huge success though.

>>14854379

>The N64 was a huge success though.

Read the thread, it wasn't.

>>14845461

>The system sold like hotcakes. FFFS, at least read the thing your linking to before you start spouting nonsense.

<he says deliberately ignoring Sony's 100 million vs. N64's 30 million sales

<thinks a bunch of celebs wanting the system at launch means it sold like hotcakes

You should take your own advice and learn to read.

>>14854422

Not being the biggest success of its generation doesn't make it a failure.

>>14845723

looks like an m&m

>>14854379

Nintendo 64 was a very good Nintendo console, just like Wii U. If you like first and second party Nintendo games, it was a great system. Nintendo can survive on first and second party games no problem. But they can't beat the competition. They are the only console manufacturer that can sustain themselves with first and second party games. Playstation needs the rest of Sony (at least historically, not so much now), Xbox needs Microsoft's money, etc. Nintendo has no one else and can survive on their IP alone. But it's not enough to come in first and it's not enough to gain ground.

Because of that, a Nintendo failure isn't on the same level as other console failures, like Atari Jaguar and Sega Saturn. But 30 million sales for a console by Nintendo is a very weak showing. Specially as they don't have anything to fall back on and video games are their only successful business.

>>14855420

I always thought of that as the reason why Nintendo stuck with cartridges with the N64 along with the burnout after the failed SNES-CD add-on. The price factor was a bullshit excuse however and Nintendo still uses that to justify their underpowered systems to this day.

>>14855447

>GameCube's failure came from the tidal wave of normalfags that wanted a cheap DVD player and games console, all in one package.

I suspect the 1.4GB size limit of the miniDVDs also had something to do with that.

>>14855440

>just like Wii U

kek, no

>>14855754

>I suspect the 1.4GB size limit of the miniDVDs also had something to do with that.

1.4GB single layer, two layers gives you 2.7GB. The same applies to DVDs which can hold up to 8.7GB on a dual-layer disc, although the only game to use both layers that I've seen was Gran Turismo 4.