/v/ - Video Games

>>14737632

when I get dubs

>>14738185

And that one's coming out after Sumaga.

Also, anyone got a link for Sweet Home?

>>14737592

Anyone heard of Punchline, because it's coming west and has to do with haunting and stuff based off the anime. Wondering how good it is.

http://archive.is/BPhzc

>>14739060

never seen the anime but I like Uchikoshi's writing

also I have seen just the one clip where the cat watches cat sex on youtube

>>14739060

Sounds like Ghost Trick but with more pantsu.

>>14739330

That's the problem with Teaching Feeling, you don't really help Sylvie, you just make her fill the void in her heart with endless sex. It sounds like the plot to a Lilith game or something, find broken girls and use their desire for love to corrupt them into whores.

>>14739822

Trace Memory?

>>14739844

Forgot pic, played that one too.

>>14739846

Just try some old PC point and click adventures then.

>>14739866

https://citra-emu.org/game/

The 3DS emulator is actually not so bad now. I doubt it would have trouble with a point and click game. That game isn't on the list but that just means it's not tested.

>>14737592

princess maker isnt a visual novel, op, it actually has gameplay :^)

>>14739866

I didn't play Hotel Dusk, but I did play this. You're not missing anything. It's an hour-long case with the only gameplay bits being choosing the right dialogue and clicking on all the spots during the investigation scene (think Ace Attorney but without evidence). Also, it ends on a cliffhanger despite there being no signs of continuation two years later.

>>14739948

Fuck I knew it was too good to be true.

It feels just the same as Hotel Dusk, that's too bad.

>>14739822

Hotel Dusk is a longtime favorite of mine on the DS. Used to replay it every year. How is Last Window?

>>14740160

>I loved it, it's as good as Hotel Dusk in my opinion.

That's good to hear. Now the eternal agony of trying to find a cheap physical copy. But at $60 on the low end I might just break down and R4 this one.

>>14740160

I see you are a man of excellent taste as well.

>>14739330

>>14739420

>wants to raise another man's kid instead of having your own kid with her, which she has signalled she very much wants to do

Not this shit again. Get lost, cucks.

>>14740206

>third pic

thats a big stick.

>>14740459

>confusing 2d with 3d

Not this shit again.

>>14739793

A broken monstergirl that was abused in the general monstergirl sex trade

I can see it

>>14740679

F-for me?

>>14740736

SHE HAS A ROUTE?

FUCK

>>14740230

>Learn Japanese.

I'm strongly considering it, at the very least getting a japanese import would add to my library and I can work around the immediate language barrier with a rom and have something to work towards in a couple years.

>>14740230

>Learn Japanese

What is even the easiest way of going about this? Rosetta Stone is shit and I live in the whitest part of America. I have no idea how to start.

>>14740993

we have a thread >>14734438

>>14741779

>>14740993

It's a lot more drawn out than the other games. Rather than decide her schedule monthly, you decide it weekly, deciding what she does each hour in the few hours after school. You also have to go out on the town every weekend if you want to raise her efficiently. I've never finished it before getting bored.

>>14744526

>Reminds me of the Fire Emblem Fates translators killing the project or something because they got mad about how everyone acknowledged their work being objectively superior to treehouse's trash.

Can I get more context on this? How can you be mad about that?

>>14744563

>Can I get more context on this?

Because they knew Treehouse was savaging the game but kept trying to defend Nintendo's decisions despite making a more faithful translation. They even got angry at people on forums for stating this outright and justifiably slagging off Treehouse, or was it 8-something? I don't remember. All crap translation companies are the same.

Anyway, they got uppity about it and stopped the translation work or left it to someone else to finish, I think. It's been a while.

>How can you be mad about that?

Because it annoys me when people suck off others because of their "prestige" despite their terrible work. Nintendo deserved no respect and turning on the people who appreciate your work just because they're rightfully calling out the trash of someone else working on the same project is asinine.

>>14744655

Triggered retarded normalfaggot detected.

>>14744618

Gonna say it right now, Wanko's route will break your heart

All original trio routes in majikoi are good and have their serious moments. I think I still like it more than Junai after going through all routes in both games.

>>14744618

Not far into the choice route, and while I enjoy it, I can't shake off the feeling of a very strong 'canon barrier'. Maybe because one of the heroines is the titular characters, but it feels like to pursue other girls is not to choose a different path, but to go offroading, running over some feelings, and then finally finding another route. Rubs me a little the wrong way, but the games feel is superb otherwise.

>>14746106

>it feels like to pursue other girls is not to choose a different path, but to go offroading, running over some feelings, and then finally finding another route.

Yeah if there's one thing Majikoi is definitely better in it's this, that you do get to choose Miyako the girl you want without too much of a bad feeling. I never liked canon barriers even if it's only perceived ones and not literal blockades.

>>14740765

azusa route WHEN????

I'm also a newfag when it comes to VN like the anon above me and I need some assistance.

>decide to read Higurashi for first time

>mod it with PS3 graphics and voice patch https://github.com/07th-mod/guide/wiki/Higurashi-Part-1---Voice-and-Graphics-Patch

>new version comes out, decide to update

>EP1 is now broken, wallpapers are stuck to original blurry photos, won't load PS3 sprites and freezes game

>later EPs will, no doubt, have same problem

What do?

>>14751575

You need to mount the image on a virtual driver to install the game.

>>14751575

Have you never pirated a video game before?

>>14751608

Which of these is preferred ( Daemontools Lite, MagicISO, or VirtualCloneDrive) or does it even matter?

>>14751663

Recently got a good pc that actually ran well and played games above ps1/n64 emulation that my old pc could barely run. That meant that no interest in pc related anything until recently.

>>14751680

It's the mod that updated, not the game. The UI patch, ADV mode, and voices work, it's the backgrounds and PS3 sprites that are not.

>>14751813

After messing around a bit, I learned that the backgrounds, at least some of them, still work. It's just when I reload, it uses the original background then when it changes, that's when the PS3 background loads. Some other stuff like the new 07th Expansion logo doesn't show and is only showing the old one and the PS3 sprites still don't work.

For anyone curious, the version of the mod I'm using is "v5.5.2".

>>14751743

Doesn't matter, just get the one that doesn't have bloatware

>>14751575

>I am running Win10

kill yourself.

>>14752364

.si is controlled by SJWeeb faggots. Let it die.

>>14751743

>Daemontools Lite, MagicISO, or VirtualCloneDrive

WinCDEmu works and has 0 bloat it's literally just double click the .iso

>>14751575

You may want to change the locale to Japan.

>>14751743

i illegally downloaded daemontools pro a few years ago and i like it

>>14741120

Looks like JAST has fixed that bug.

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/993321847746789378

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/993643916271464454

>>14755503

Good on em.

>>14756759

How's the VN so far?

>>14758676

It's a short nukige. It's good for a few faps but nothing special. In ~8 hours you will have played through both routes which are both for the same girl.

>>14739822

Are there any games similar enough to Phoenix Wright? I love those so much.

>>14759742

>>14760684

This. Not that I know of but I'd like for CODEX version to be added to starter pack. It's published by Spike as well instead of NISA or Sekai.

>>14760699

>not by NISA or Sekai

Did the nips finally get their shit together. I hope so.

>>14760894

That's interesting, Spike is now listed as the publisher of Dang it Ron Paul, not NISA, even though they were the ones to translate it.

>>14737592

>newton comes out this month

Neat.

Warning and h-spoilers: the loli in OP uses science to grow a benis

>>14761106

Just saying that they got the rights back from NiSA so it's under their own name now. I think the translation of 0 was done by PQube.

I got around to playing Kamidori Alchemy Meister at last, and I'm in chapter 2 and got my first scene that allows me to make a choice (if I want to become more than friends with Yuela). How does this work in this game? Does choosing to get to know her better lock me into her route or something? I have no idea how it works in this game and it's rather early to commit to someone when I haven't even met all the girls yet.

>>14761152

I looked it up, thinking that she only used it on other girls (in which case it's fine), but it seems the male main character is on the receiving end of it. Faggots need to stop gaying up everything.

>>14763031

There are three main girls you can get locked into, but I forget what choices determine that.

>>14763031

>Does choosing to get to know her better lock me into her route or something?

Yes.

In next choice you get to choose, if you want Seralwi route.

If you don't pick any of these you end up with pink-haired loli.

>talk to alchemy guild leader lady

>forces a quest upon me, have to gather 20 wood and 20 good wood (meaning 50 wood total) in ten days (and I assume craft and fix the thing before the time expires)

>have a whopping 13 wood and the forest ruin I went to in hopes of getting tons of wood, since the old areas wouldn't be even close to enough to get 40 pieces, had no wood whatsoever

The fuck am I supposed to do? Grind the early areas for weeks before even talking to her? And then there's the matter of the main character and his lack of a spine, accepting the quest after being falsely accused without even trying to argue. And of course his typical main character dream to make his home city into a city for every race in the world. Thanks multiculturalism.

>>14764206

>Will

>lack of spine

Nigga is the alpha chad. He wants all races in one place so he can dick them more efficiently. Also grind more. The answer is to always grind more in that game.

>>14764206

Those quests are a pain. There one you have to get like 50 apples or something too.

You can save them for NG+ if you want.

>>14764448

What a mess, guess there's no reason to reinstall.

>>14764448

>Duel

Crap, I meant Dual. "Antinomic/Anitomic Dual."

>>14765494

Majikoi, Fate, Clannad and Muv Luv

>>14766607

>Muv Luv

>starter

yeah man I love two and a half Fate/Stay Nights worth of fucking lacrosse before anything interesting happens

>>14767507

Yes to all three points, the VN has a lot more impact to it, like off of the top of my head I remember getting chills from the Jellyman's Report where the anime bit was just kinda "Ew".

Plus, if it's been a while, then all the better to refresh yourself on it.

>>14767507

I played the Vn before whatching the show but I'd still recommend you give it a go. The pacing is super slow for the first six chapters but that causes real investment. All of the endings have some strong impact. The game had me in tears in most and all of them are worth seeing.

There is an excellent, spoiler-free, guide online so as to not waste your time having to replay the game and still get all endings.

I literally just downloaded Zero and will start it now. I'll report back later.

>>14767547

>>14767568

Thanks anons, I'll make sure to play both in summer.

>>14767507

The VN is so much better its not even funny.

Nothing in the anime compares to the part where Okabe screams his throat out after Mayuri dies for the first time.

Ive recently replayed the game for the fourth time and I still cry after that scream.

>>14767507

The anime changed some plot points like Nae's true self, and also only follows Kurisu's route.

>>14769495

>using spoilers for actual spoilers

What the fug?

>>14773112

>Girls can still be pure even if they are gangraped

This is some next level mental gymnastics.

>>14773112

I will have to agree with >>14773185

You're not pure if you've been raped.

>>14777502

I played it. It's standard fare story-wise. If you've ever played a VN before, you can tell, at a glance, what these two girls' character arcs are and you'd be 100% correct. Fairly well-written, as well, though nothing spectacular. And it's got pretty good art.

>>14777547

Time travel is involved and he already created a time machine in the future, so he's unable to die no matter what until that happens. Or something like that. I don't remember the exact details but the important point is that as it has already been established that he does something in the future of that timeline, he won't die until he does do it. At some point he reveals that to the very obvious bad guy, who gladly uses it to his advantage in interrogation.

Also Zero really isn't very good at all, because it only serves to cheapen the original story. The anime is changing things, but it will still never be good unless they completely, and I mean completely, change the ending.

>>14777608

Just think of it as a spin-off of the original.

>>14777547

due to the way that time travel works in Steins Gate, he knows for a fact that he won't die for another 14 years. Considering he was captured at that point and going to the tortured for info, he knew things weren't going to go his way.

>>14777608

Is that true? what a shame. I'm liking Zero so far.

Not vidya :^)

>>14777608

I think I finished SG0? Maybe? Is the ending just waiting for the credits to roll out after the Mayuri ED and seeing that scene at the lab in 2025? Is that it?

>>14781971

pretty sure

>>14782655

Grisaia

>>14782655

KonoSora

>>14782655

Steins Gate

>>14782655

Fate/Stay Night

>>14783007

Damnit, Anon, I'd managed to forget that Faris existed, why did you have to ruin that bliss?

>>14784682

since when has being robbed and having something up your ass considered the same thing?

Fuck off and discuss this elsewhere.

>>14785694

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14784657

Divi-Dead is pretty rad and certainly worth a read, I just wish it had a better translation. It's one of those old 90s translations that tried to turn everything into a comedy and takes gigantic liberties as a result, making an already complicated plot even more nonsensical.

I guess it's better than the kind of sanitisation we have to put up with today, but it's still unfortunate.

>>14737592

There was that loli vampire one that had a translation done but wasn't released yet. Can someone tell me the name because I forgot.

I'll also keep my eye out for a PM5 link, I want it for my collection.

>>14791379

Bishoujo Mangekyou. It's supposedly been fully translated since about October, the guy's just been spinning his wheels on actually inserting it into the game.

Though I'm still not convinced it isn't all an elaborate ruse.

>>14784441

If you're fucking her in the ass you don't have to worry about, though you'll get poop dick, that's why its better to do it in the mouth, if she shits herself its far enough way to be only her problem.

>>14773112

>>thinks raptus preservers virginity

If she touches herself then she's a THOT!

>>14746560

And here's an untranslated interview, in case anyone is interested.

I think Masuko has aged pretty well.

Mankogamer will announce two more titles this Friday.

http://mangagamer.org/announcements/

What are the chances it will be ImoPara 3 and Onikiss?

>>14779717

>but they aren't impure because they were raped.

Think of being raped as having a log of shit shoved in and out of all your orifices, tearing the flesh and beating you with its fetid mass until it sprays adhesive piss in and on you. No amount of scrubbing will get rid of the stains and smell.

Think Macbeth, scene 5 act 1.

>>14769495

>>14769504

I just finished the game. I enjoyed it a lot although it was not as good as the original.

I'm still contemplating, whether it retroactively made the original worse or not. My current stance is that it didn't detract from the original but made it more bloated.

>>14799777

Good taste.

Whata a good comfy mystery vn that isnt steins gate?

>>14802762

Let's take the heroines with themes from Never 7, combine it with an actual comprehensible setting from Remember11 and make a pretty good mystery VN.

https://vndb.org/v17

>>14802935

Bunny Black and Kamidori? Surely they count.

>>14802919

There's also Symphonic Rain but I've heard that's depressing. Not alot of comfy mysteries as the few mystery VNs there are end up with people dead.

>>14802960

>gameplay

well, hopefully its alright. I usually cringe when I see a VN with gameplay since its usually garbage.

>>14802960

tuturu dies

>>14802982

Haven't played Bunny Black, but I can vouch for Kamidori being actually quite good as both a game and a VN. I have yet to finish it (beenn busy) but what I've seen so far is very enjoyable.

>>14803520

Didn't this censor some sprites or something?

>>14804830

They're just really shit compared to the PS3 ones.

>>14804834

Really? I could have sworn there was something about a loli in a towel. Maybe I'm thinking of another VN.

>>14779717

>Are rape victims guilty of something for being raped? Did they commit a wrong by being raped?

Did they resist the rape to the point of death? No.

They could have preserved their purity but chose not to.

Eiyuu Senki FULLY translated yet?

>>14805870

Then learn japanese. Nothing good gets translated anway.

>>14805582

>I am so pissed off you do NOT do this to any of my Higurashi babies especially Sadoko

One thing i truly truly hate about Tumblr and all these SJW's is how they pretend to be fanbases of these franchises and try to co-opt every single thing they are apart of to fit their morality system. This was not the first time this has happened either(remember the Evangelicals of the 90's and 00's with their whole entire everything is a sin if you did this or watched that?) Its the same shit here.

Notice how whenever the point is even brought in that this was always in the game that they push the moralfag card? For fucks sake these people need to have helicopter rides.

>>14805836

Completely agree. I am glad everyone sees them for the joke that they are.

>>14805582

>Company adheres to Steam guidelines and does the best solution while still offering the original sprites and the updated translation

>tumblr throws a fit because of "sexualization" regardless of the fact that Mangagamers is doing the exact opposite.

What the actual fuck? How do these people even read visual novels when Japan outputs so much content they find "problematic" were the numerous brutal murders and other stuff from the previous episodes not a clue?

>>14806193

They dont. Tumblr idiots are usually the types to feign moral outrage over everything and pretend they are fighting for the right thing. If these types read Saya No Uta, and Umineko. They would probably have PTSD.

>>14744618

Majikoi builds up steam. The prologue exists just to introduce the characters and… well just keep going. It's adored for a reason.

>>14805981

That looks awesome. It reminds me so much of Disorder 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYxQBC4nfZ4

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482?s=19

https://twitter.com/Lupiesoft/status/997293788316844032?s=19

Looks like Steam might be trying to take down Lewd games now. This is also effecting VNs like Mutiny.

>>14807011

>an 11 year old

>gets an 11

Checked. Way too curvy.

>>14808315

Planetarian.

>>14808315

Try Fata Morgana if at all possible.

>>14809914

>still no english HD version

>but there is one in German

Makes no fucking sense, why dont people just make a translation patch based on the standard English release?

>>14808212

I was right. Mangagamer got contacted over Kindred and they released a statement here.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2018/05/18/regarding-recent-inquires-into-steam-content-policy-notices/

>>14809914

If you're looking for depressing, look for Utsuge tagged VNs. https://vndb.org/g693?fil=tag_inc-693.tagspoil-0;m=0;o=d;s=pop

>>14814178

which VN is this?

>>14815853

https://vndb.org/v21458

>>14817372

>steam

Basically, yeah. Pretty sure their push to remove adult vns from their platform is entirely sociopolitical as well, not moral.

Great anime btw

>>14814178

And anon seriously post a link I'm not buying this off Steam get real

>>14817480

It's on Erogedownload, though.

>>14817603

Play "Teaching Feeling", it helped me. Other than that, anything specific you wanna see/read?

>>14817666

>Any quality VNs that doesn't have a high school or high school-ish setting

Well, Satan, there is "Cartagra", which is about a couch-surfer at a brothel trying to solve a serial-murder-case in post-war Japan. Not far in it, but it's pretty creepy and comfy at the same time.

>Or better yet is there a cyberpunk VN?

None that I know of/ could recommend but if you're fine with manga then I recommend "Blame!" and other stuff from Nihei, especially if you like megastructures.

>>14817903

Okabe is hardly miserable. He has great friends and he went on some wicked adventures. He's also really personable and makes new friends quickly.

>>14817922

Thats why I said Zero, he is miserable in that, at least in the first half.

>>14817930

my bad, man

>>14817983

>What about hobbies anon?

None

>Tried to learn Japanese?

I cant even imagine doing something so difficult and requiring not only commitment but also a steady schedule that demands regular results to progress.

As for Wanko I read it some years ago, maybe a third of it before dropping it, I actually remember disliking the protag, mostly because he couldn't shut up about how desensitized he was to sex after being a male prostitute.

>>14818063

I cant recommend Haruhi enough, and the movie especially.

If there's one series worth committing to, its Haruhi.

For fucks sake I marathoned the entirety of endless eight, although I was slightly less miserable then, but still.

>>14818070

Im glad you've found something that motivates you, i've given up on 3d long ago.

>>14818143

>i've given up on 3d long ago.

So have I, after that girl nothing have ever come close except 2D, but for that single reason I want to be the best I can for the best 3D girl that existed, even if I have to stick to 2D.

It doesn't have to be a girl, it can be something, someone. Get a pet or something, and promise to give it the best life he can and not to let it see you sad

>>14815170

>Kikokugai Cyber Slayer

>Kara no shoujo

>Trash

Come on Anon. There is some good games there.

>>14817480

Is IGG compromised?

>>14740993

I will give you some help here it might be a lot but its worth noting this whole thing down especially for newcomers. I did all this shit on my own without having to consult random Japanese places.

Memrise. Basically SRS

1. Hiragana+ -> Katakana + (alphabet)

2.After both are done, learn 6k Vocab and Grammer N5-N3(there is individual classes for this) Vocab is the legos and Grammar is the blueprints of how to use the legos properly when making sentences you are fucked if you dont learn both.

3. After this learn Japanese sentences in the app or look it up on desktop if you can not find a course on it. It helps you build more on how to create sentences much more efficiently.

Some extras to help you build on: Book: Japanese The Manga Way(helps a lot with grammar) and KawaJappa Cure Dolly on Youtube(great with beginner grammar and understanding sentence structures which could be confusing with certain books breaks it down easily and also some mistakes textbooks make on Particles) Both are good beginner points. But i would recommend doing this after you have Hirgana, Katakana, some vocab. Then you just learn Grammar and Vocab together honestly. You will know what i mean when you get there.

Lastly Texthookers on Visual Novels if at all possible after two years of learning under your belt to understand certain words or sentences. They do help as you keep learning on SRS. If you dislike Memrise go with Anki but Memrise its too simple for me to really give it up.

Warning this may take 2-4 years but its worth it. I am keeping myself immersed in video games imports, VN's and sometimes changing my Steam Games in Japanese language to keep up also on Crunchyroll if you have a premium pass you can turn off subtitles on certain anime and hear Japanese only. I would recommend doing this after a year or two you should be far enough in both Vocab and Grammar to make some sense of what is going on. Also to end off do not feel bad if you dont know everything its only natural it takes time you are going to mess up and feel like you are hitting a wall. But a long as you practice daily and keep moving even review you will get there in the long run.

>>14817903

I can not blame you at all. I think it's just that you need to take a break from it all and focus on one thing at a time. I am learning Japanese and maintaining what little friendship I have left. But I still find the the time to watch 2 episodes a day and/or do a marathon every Friday and Saturday to finish the stuff I need to get done. I usually switch between video games and anime as to not get burned out completely. It's helped me when I had issues of procrastination.

>>14818184

I know the feeling. Try getting a resume and use Ziprecruiter. It may not be like the rest but at least you can do one click apply then waste time.

>>14817682

>>14818060

Thank you both.

>>14744762

So what would you call a VN genre where you get bullied, similar to (Manga) Nagatoro? This supersmug loli's created a niche I need to fill and my skill with keywords is shit.

>>14831126

>>14831123

I am liking the smug levels in this game…

>>14829131

>of all the games their survey showed

>Sisterly Bliss

I guess they thought it was a decent balance to have another yuri game alongside the next and inevitable BoobFantasy title. Makes sense.

I wonder if they're trying to work towards the recent Boob Fantasy games. I heard "IF" was pretty alright.

But what irritates me more is that you had the audacity to post that qt booby elf and yet her game isn't even remotely mentioned as being translated.

I want to bog you with the teehee twins for that

Oi, Oi! Mangagamer is teaming up with GOG to have their releases go through their site. Notably, Maidens of Michael will be available on GOG and not steam currently.

You can still buy direct through MG but this is good that they're branching out.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2018/05/22/mangagamer-brings-their-titles-to-gog/

>>14832754

>Easy piracy of MG releases

Neat.

>>14833914

Nagatoro is an outright bully though, compared to Takagi who only teases Nishikata.

>>14832902

Sunrider series and 5 chapters of Higurashi already up.

>>14833914

>Nagatoro and Fivehead are essentially the same character. They bully their crush but always give hints of their affection.

Sounds promising. I'll have to watch it.

>>14834433

True, but in the manga adaptation it's a bit toned down. Helps that we aren't seeing it through "Sempai Vision" where he seems to imagine way worse things being said than what is probably being said.

>>14835733

Why aren't you learning Japanese?

Shitty localizations will always be like this. This is why I was against stopping steam from removing VNs, shitty localizations or gay western meme VNs aren't worth saving.

>>14836017

This is in the first 5 minutes of the fucking game by the way.

>>14831944

We need more smug lollis.

>>14836954

>>14836960

It makes me glad I sailed the seas this time.

>>14838759

Nice, ive been thinking about watching Robotic Notes, ill read it instead then.

>>14839176

It's been removed from PQube's website and Playasia's canceling preorders.

https://twitter.com/PQubeGames/status/999287247856844800

>>14835579

>>14835733

Hate to break it to you, but translation is not about 1:1. It's just not. And while, sure, the translations you're complaining about are over small things, you have to look at it in a way that asks yourself this question: 'Does this English match the personality of the character who is saying it?'

>>14839360

>Defending (((localization)))

We've got a live one boys!

>>14839360

That's localization, not translation, those are different.

>>14839447

That still doesn't mean localization is a good thing.

>>14839459

Sooner you get it that translation is localization the less of a headache it will cause you. With Japanese for example, people don't talk like Japanese people in English unless they are specifically designed to be a Japanese person trying to speak English and sounding like he's fresh off the boat – English people talk like English people, that includes their idioms, their contractions and all manners of stupid grammar that is downright untranslatable between English and Japanese unless you go 'Apple = orange' and try to match the context of what is written. Aka, character said a strictly Japanese saying that makes no sense in English, so you 'translate' that by using an English saying that matches the same context that the original was trying to convey in its words. This is also done in regards to designing a character to speak a certain way that makes sense for the personality you're going with them. Azusa from the Tsujidou-san visual novels and Dick Gumshoe from Pheonix Wright both have a specific way they speak in Japanese that is 'translated' to give them a speech pattern that makes them start certain words with [S'].

>>14839515

>Sooner you get it that translation is localization the less of a headache it will cause you.

>translations is localization

You tipped your hand too soon. I'd filter you, but we're close to autosage so who gives a fuck.

>>14839550

I can't imagine a more pointless waste of time than arguing with animate garbage.

>>14839565

Then you are a bigger fool than I am, clearly.

>>14839569

You're still responding? Who the fuck do think you are? Remove yourself from my presence immediately before I summon your handlers.

>>14839522

Is this supposed to make me agree with you? The translation they end up is completely different than what they started with, and they don't seem to have any good reason for changing it. It wan't unclear or gramatically awkward, they just altered it for the hell of it.

>>14839592

>Is this supposed to make me agree with you?

No. That's just an example of editing at Fakku, sir. The guys with some 10+ books of translated eromanga under their belts by now, I assume. I don't particularly check out their catalogue unless I'm reading their stuff off .cafe.

Millennials are so egoistic and poorly read that they think not getting something is a failure on the author's part, so they must convert everything into the lowest common denominator of cultural garbage. Imagine not being willing to learn the context of the story you are reading.

>>14839625

Now you're just using a fallacy. You are not looking to make A to B and eventually Z; you are looking to make A to B, but, knowing that A cannot and never will be 100% of B, reason that B must have its own personal changes to match what is is the context – the true message conveyed in the words – the original is trying to tell. Now, you might wonder how that justifies changing what Alice says here when Reiji says he is a fan of the same thing she is a fan of:

Aka, she says '同志' once, which is what 'A fellow… fan…' is, and then says '同志!' again, this time with more joy in her voice and excitement, which is instead now translated to 'Squee…!' Should could have just said 'A fellow… fan…!' in english, but in this case 'Squee…!' conveys that she is ever as overjoyed to learn of the information Reiji just said to her without having to say the same thing twice. As, english saying something like 'You like… flowers…' 'You like flowers!' actually sounds awkward as fuck and something an weirdo might say.

>>14839685

>Should could have just said 'A fellow… fan…!' in english, but in this case 'Squee…!' conveys that she is ever as overjoyed to learn of the information Reiji just said to her without having to say the same thing twice.

Which, if I might add, just because the character said something twice does not mean you have to be stickler/fucking robot and translate it as the character saying the same message twice. Japanese LOVE to repeat themselves, a lot even; it is a cultural norm to them. As I have learned when working with a translator who often was beside himself in agony over how many times Japanese writers love to write things once and then once again. Most of the time he would outright just omit the repeated line because it was not important. In the case of that individual line said by Alice there, it cannot be removed because it will quite literally change the game's script on a level besides just writing words into a line. Thus you have a case where the translator, or maybe even the editor, just went 'fuck it' and opted for her to say something alternative in English to display her overjoyed expression. This isn't a crime. It's just another way of delivering the message – that Alice is excited to hear what Reiji just told her.

>>14839604

>sir

Oh I get it, you're a faggot. No use arguing with you.

Good thing we're past the bump limit.

>>14839685

>she is ever as overjoyed

>something an weirdo might say

Are you sure you understand English well enough to critique anything?

@trash

>This isn't a crime. It's just another way of delivering the message

It's not a crime. It's not translation either, though. It's (((localization.)))

I've read highly localized works where the translator wasn't well read enough to understand that the original lines were referring to classical literature from the Western world and they attempt to interpret something that needed no interpretation. Pretty amusing.

>>14839743

>This isnt an english dub, you are translating what the character said.

Because, like said, translating what a Japanese person says, in their way of speaking, to English gives you bad English. This is part of the reason why MTL is dogshit, by the way, because when it is giving you as accurate of a translation as it gives it is still giving you what the Japanese is in English, and it reads like shit.

>>14839743

>Do you get triggered every time a characters says Itadakimasu? What about It cant be helped?

No. But the translator I worked with did. Shit drove him crazy. Especially that later one because people especially bitch about that one, so it would be a brainstorm of trying to think of how the character saying that word at the moment would say something that matches the context of what 'It can't be helped' would convey.

>>14839760

>It betrays something about the character that is delivering a message.

That's not the aim at all. The point is to capture the character's personality, even with a change in the dialogue. A case of 'What would this character say in English with the established personality we have with them?' Thus Alice going 'squee…!' fits because Alice is that type of person to say that if she would.

And as for 'ALMOST ALL TRANSLATORS ARE FUCKUPS WHILE JAPS UNIRONICALLY PUT LIFE INTO THEIR WORK,' you realize most of these guys writing stories for these shitty VNs are failures as writers right? This the bottom of the barrel for them, they're not writing Shakespeare, and even Shakespeare was low-brow trash in his days.

>>14839810

>What would this character say in English with the established personality we have with them?

Why should I trust a localizers understanding of a characters personality in the work? What makes you think I want the localizers interpretation of the character instead of the authors one?

>>14839823

Well, unless the guys in charge of localizing are in touch with the writers themselves and they give them bullet points as to what makes that character what they are, then you just have to depend on the personality established by the characters in the prose readily available. Most of these characters in visual novels are so cliche that you really don't have to think deep on what their 'English voice' would be. I do think that working hand-in-hand with the original writers in understanding what a character's personality is much better, though. But at that point you do kind of need either an interpreter for the writer or the writer themselves need to know english, but at that point why wouldn't the writer just write his story in english as well, and that brings to question if what you're getting from the writer's words isn't just what the interpreter has 'localized' himself in his 'translation' of the writer's words – it's a never ending slope, and I'm sure not even the original writers themselves give all too much of a single fuck at the end of the day.

>>14839852

You're going around in circles for no reason while calling anime characters shit because they're cliche. Go to bed Daiz.

>>14839852

So a needlessly complex process of which the end result is completely useless to the target audience, so why bother at all?

Again, translations that didnt shit on the original material exist and have existed for a long time.

>>14839899

List them; I'm all ears.

>>14839360

>Does this English match the personality of the character who is saying it?'

No. Nip culture is very meek and polite and these charcters would react with shock to such non-sexual vulgarities being uttered in a cheery context. There is a rough around the edges tomboy in the VN, but rather than accentuate her personality in relation to more reserved characters and more reserved norms in nip society, almost fucking everyone curses like a sailor.

>Hate to break it to you, but translation is not about 1:1

Nice strawman. I take it you like to add "spice" to your meals? They're not just taking liberties to replace more boring direct translation with spicier adjectives, they're inserting shit that wasn't there in the first place. The 1:1 arguement is disingenuous and you know it considering I outlined something that knocks it flat on it's face in one of the very posts you responded to. "Argiato" obviously means "thanks" or "thank you" or possibly other words and phrases of a similar meaning if one is liberal with translation. "Arigato" was translated to "damn right, thanks". "Damn right" was not there, nor was there anything there that could even be liberally interpreted as meaning "damn right", "Yes", "I know", or other similar words and phrases in English. This and many other things are clear instances of the translator(s) inserting their own bullshit and thus altering the character's personality which, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's an improvement or it "fits the character", it is not the job of a fucking translator to insert their own bullshit, especially in places where there was no dialogue to begin with.

>>14839515

>Aka, character said a strictly Japanese saying that makes no sense in English, so you 'translate' that by using an English saying that matches the same context that the original was trying to convey in its words.

Or you translate it more faithfully, leave a translator's note, and allow for cultural exchange instead of westernizing nipshit.

>>14839604

>The guys with some 10+ books of translated eromanga under their belts by now

<Doing shit wrong for a long period of time makes it right

<Defending Fakku at all

Wew laddy.

>>14839685

>As, english saying something like 'You like… flowers…' 'You like flowers!' actually sounds awkward as fuck and something an weirdo might say.

You're a retarded nigger. It's perfectly fine for her to say it once, and then say it again with gusto. In addition, Alice is a fucking weirdo.

>>14839708

>just because the character said something twice does not mean you have to be stickler/fucking robot and translate it as the character saying the same message twice.

<If a character repeats themself, you have free reign to change whatever the fuck you want

No. This shit is how we get pyschopathic characters who chant "Hate" like a mantra turned into a rainbow of curses, vulgarities, and slurs all expressing "hate" in different ways that wouldn't fit the character no matter how angry they are.

>Japanese LOVE to repeat themselves, a lot even; it is a cultural norm to them.

What makes it wrong to convey a foreign cultural norm as is? Are you the kind of nigger who changes riceballs to jelly donuts because "to a Westerner, someone who would eat plain rice wrapped in seaweed would be a weirdo"?

>Most of the time he would outright just omit the repeated line

And he's a nigger.

>the translator, or maybe even the editor, just went 'fuck it'

And that is wrong.

>>14839708

>This isn't a crime.

Doing one's job badly isn't legally a crime, no, but it's not going to stop me from shitting down someone's throat when they shit all over translation.

>>14839810

>The point is to capture the character's personality,

And the lines I pointed out failed to do that. They were painfully out of place for the characters, the scene, the culture, the actual words spoken, just about every level of context.

>>14839743

>"It sounds awkward" and "nobody speaks like that" are excuses to change the meaning of the sentence and put your shitty spin on text

And extremely shitty excuses at that considering nips speak with different common mannerisms than westerners in addition to the fact that fictional people tend not to act like real people.

0a5181 is a fucking goon.

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>>14839749

>localization

Don't fall for the localization meme. While literally it may appear as "to make local" and people try to interpret that as "I can do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's in the target language", that's not what it is. Localization, in regards to video games is the process of fixing such things as text wrapping for English characters, or having artists redo sign art assets in the target language. It has meant things along this more technical line for a long time in vidya, and only relatively recently has been paraded around as an excuse by translators for their shitty translations. The things some translators may parade around as "localization" like making idioms understandable in the target langauge are processes already covered under the term translation. You don't localize the Iliad or Antigone, you translate them. The misuse of the term localization has spread like wildfire in the professional translation scene both inside and outside of vidya, giving them a new justification to do their job poorly.

>>14840601

I capped that myself and am even the one who corrected the typo, however I no longer find it to be satisfactorily accurate. Confronted with that image goons can easily point to the fact that the term localization has been used for ages. It is not new, made up, or redundant, and is a completely valid term. It is simply being misused.

>>14840627

>I capped that myself and am even the one who corrected the typo

Thanks for that. As you said, it's not entirely accurate. I was more focused on insulting the guy I was responding to at the time. Also it was late.

However, though you're right that localization may have a proper usage, I don't think it's worthwhile to argue for it since anyone using it nowadays never uses it that way. The correct usage has been all but lost to the ages, twisted and morphed until you get the 'flavorful and spiced-up' version we're all familiar with. By now, trying to argue the point with those types is futile. Better to just shut it all down and demand they simply use translation, instead, because not only are they certainly retarded if they use the newspeak version, but the consequences of allowing the practice to continue unabated is simply unacceptable.