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ef9f60 No.14728273
Mid-Season update just got deployed. Changes include:
>Lion's scan now only has 2 charges down from 3 with a 20 second cooldown between them, up from 10, and standing still after moving during a scan no longer displays your silhouette constantly, Ubi acknowledges he was too OP
>Jäger's ADS no longer zaps Hibana pellets because of how a burst of six pellets could drain an entire Magpie
>Blitz gets nerfed as his flash range is reduced from 8 to 5 and his charges reduced from 5 to 4, probably after the stream of buffs he's received over the past season
>Vigil's cloak lasts 12 seconds instead of 30, but recharges in 6 seconds instead of 12, probably to make him more challenging to play since he's the top roamer pick after Ela got nerfed
>Hibana's Claymore got replaced with a Breaching Charge, so Thermite can be a more attractive pick
>Ying's Smokes have been replaced with a Claymore to make her less OP when she moves in a group and to give her more flexibility in Ranked matches
>LMG's see damage buffs across the board
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/news/152-322394-16/12-patch-notes
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/news/152-322116-16/designers-notes-mid-season
Possible future changes include nerfs to Finka, but Ela is probably in a good spot right now.
As for the new things in the upcoming season and currently in the TTS:
>a new defender gadget, Bulletproof Cameras
<Bulletproof Cameras can be deployed on any wall or floor, and are bulletproof from the front and back
<they can be destroyed with a melee hit, with an explosive, if shot from above/beneath/the side, or by destroying the surface the camera is on
<Bulletproof Cameras can't pan, but they have thermal vision for seeing through smoke like Glaz' scope
<Mute, Frost, Cav, Doc, Vigil, and Castle will get this
<Smoke should no longer be as much of a liability if Glaz is on the Attacker team
>defenders can now switch between camera categories, including regular cams, bulletproof cams, and Valk cams
>dropshotting is nerfed, as going prone now immediately exits ADS until you actually hit the floor
>equipping your pistol will let you move faster, shield ops can now put their shields on their back and take out their pistols to move like a regular 1/2 speed op
>3 speed ops will be slightly slower and 1 speed ops will be slightly faster
>Echo will now have two drones and his drone shots can rebound off walls
>other attackers can also tag defenders using Twitch and Echo drones (now you will know Valkyrie's pain)
>Pick and Ban system
<per round each team gets to ban an operator from being picked on the other team for the entire match, with the following rounds letting you pick and ban from the remaining pool (not banning is also an option)
<once the operators have been picked and banned, both teams get to see all the picked operators on both teams
<however, each team can also choose to switch out the operator for one teammate, which the opposing team won't know about
<currently this will be only available for Custom Games in TTS, maybe in custom games for the main game, and maybe in the future for Ranked
>new defusing animation, instead of mashing the defuser you now take out a gadget to defuse the thing, probably to make getting headshots on defusing players more consistent
The new operators have been leaked on cuckchan, and since the leaks for previous season were fairly accurate I have not a lot of reason to distrust these, though we don't have the full picture yet.
>New operation is going to be called Operation Para Bellum
>the defender called Maestro can deploy an auto-turret
<it doesn't automatically fire on enemies, it can only shoot if directly controlled using a camera, otherwise it goes into a stationary mode and is completely bulletproof
<apparently it doesn't shoot bullets but some kind of less than lethal zapping ammo, probably something similar to Twitch's drone
<has an LMG primary
<basically what if Tachanka wasn't a meme
>attacker called Alibi can lay down Halo-style holograms which move forwards in a straight line
<if you shoot the holograms, you will be visible through walls as if you were tagged by Lion
>both Italians have a Judge revolver shotgun as a secondary
Finally, a probably good fucking season. None of that gay press-a-single-button-to-global-ability shit and nerfs are getting handed out where they should be. Feel free to guess the new operator's backstories.
cae8e1 No.14728315
>>14728273
>>Pick and Ban system
>they actually fucking did it
For fuck's sake.
>and maybe in the future for Ranked
Why even bother going through the effort of implementing it if they weren't planning on using it in ranked?
The rest sounds somewhat alright, but I just can't really get myself to play anymore.
f6f743 No.14728333
I uninstalled this game. Will probably reinstall it when the italian operators are dropped and then uninstall it again. Fuck ubisoft and fuck the 6 million renown you have to spend to get a new free operator.
c336ef No.14728392
>>14728382
Should have made a thread about a Switch game instead
ef9f60 No.14728400
>>14728382
lolwat
Also the Outbreak Mode is no longer available, if anyone cares. I sure as hell never played it.
cae8e1 No.14728403
>>14728400
I played it for a while. It was alright, I liked it better than terrorist hunt, but that isn't saying much.
113f05 No.14728415
>>14728408
>>14728413
>>14728406
>>14728404
>>14728391
>>14728356
>>14728355
>>14728344
>>14728339
dcd209 No.14728419
>>14728400
PEWTER ON SUICIDE WATCH
0fd187 No.14728437
They are not putting pick and ban on ranked are they? Also, poor Ying just can't get a break she can't do anything.
3dba05 No.14728441
>>14728297
>everything I don't like is shills
>>14728273
The game will never be as good as it once was.
113f05 No.14728459
>>14728446
The best you can do is ignore all "shill" posters.
cae8e1 No.14728477
>>14728471
>giving money
oy vey
7c680f No.14728518
I'm thinking of buying this game. I have one question: can you win games *on your own* with everyone muted?
113f05 No.14728529
>>14728518
Communication is important, most of the time your teammates can feed you important information. Dead players can look at cameras, various operators have detection abilities, they will also want to warn you about doing something that you can mess up or get killed if you get in the way. This is not a game you want to play without voice comms, it's certainly possible but it's gimping yourself and your team.
cae8e1 No.14728531
>>14728518
You're kind of late to the party and I personally wouldn't really recommend it anymore.
>can you win games *on your own* with everyone muted?
You 'can' technically, if you know the maps, are a decent enough shot etc. etc. But it's a team game by nature, don't expect to do great by cutting off communications.
That said, if you play on Casual I'd say you can probably mute everyone and not suffer much from it.
72b040 No.14728532
>>14728518
You can yes, solo casual that's pretty much what you do, watch as your teammates die one by one while you end up cleaning their mess up. Ranked only up to a certain extent until you faced actual coordinated teams, where good luck beating them solo muted. Right when you kill someone the enemy team will know where you're at, if they're actually communicating properly. Communication is a big benefit for any team, being in a team that doesn't communicate will only hinder you.
39058c No.14728533
>muh ips
Use a VPN or some shit. Fucking christ.
cae8e1 No.14728541
>>14728536
>actually paying money to unlock the DLC operators
Are you daft?
113f05 No.14728556
>>14728552
Given the amount of shit you need to get used to and learn in this game, a new player should be grinding anyways.
e60086 No.14728584
>>14728273
>paying for games that ban you for hate speech
good goy
99cd7b No.14728602
>>14728584
>paying for games
good goy
ef9f60 No.14728687
>>14728518
You can, if you're good enough. And you're only good enough once you fully understand the map, operator dynamics, possible flanking routes, ways to detect and predict the enemy's movements, using the destructible environments to your advantage, and so on. Which is about after 150 hrs. of play time, which puts you at pubstomp levels. Maybe. I can get an ace time to time provided the enemy team isn't too smart, because of the low TTK it ain't easy to dominate on your own. Here you actually don't need to be completely accurate or react super fast as you would in CSGO for example, just getting the drop on your opponent is a much safer way of getting kills than peeking, and the maps do allow for that.
>>14728571
For starters, because you people keep replying to this thread. I often do shill work on other boards and sites, though if after a dozen thread attempts we don't get any replies, it's a better use of our time to focus our efforts else where. If a thread gets next to zero replies, nobody will feel like responding, and we're basically wasting our time at that point, though if people start pushing against our threads through sageposts or whatever, we know that we can forcibly carve out and convert a small niche.
If you go into a thread and just sage it while calling things shit, it doesn't really accomplish anything. With enough interest in the topic, most of the (1) and done sage posts often go ignored as discussion continues as usual, which you can see for yourself once a general has been successfully established. Especially here on 8Chan, people have slowly become conditioned to ignore small posts with sage in the name field because they know what to expect from it after having seen such posts over a hundred times.
It doesn't really hamper our operations in any way if you openly voice your displeasure, unless someone uses a VPN to astroturf as several anons at once shitting on something. Ultimately one of the purposes of this thread is for people who already play the game to discuss it, so you aren't really bringing anything new or of quality to the table. The topic of this thread isn't (primarily) to discuss the quality of the game itself, it's largely for people who already play the game and want to play it. I don't really mind how you go about your (?self-moderation) business, but I'm curious whether I'm supposed to look at your posts as venting your frustration at your own inability to 'remove cancer' on V the way you want it to, or if you seriously believe you are making a difference by making the 8Chan equivalent of a downvote. As a fellow human being, I just feel obliged to ask. At least I'm getting paid to this, you're just doing it for free. But by all means, continue, it gives us more food to push a potential contrarian-hater angle for why this game isn't liked so much.
If barely anybody posted in this thread, there'd be no point to us to push any further, especially in a board where the users are highly capable of exercising self-restraint against engaging in pointless shitflinging and thus spreading awareness. If you really want to preserve board quality, you're better off not posting in bad threads and post more in/create more good threads. Basically, it's more efficient to lead by example, if your only reproach to making V a better place is to drag down anything you consider shit instead of offering a valid alternative, not only are you setting that same example for other newer users to follow, but over time less good things will be created at all. Enforcing 'board quality' is also a part of shill work, so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass the way you think I am, perhaps?. After all, this board has seen a large draught in OC for some time, hasn't it? Like I said before, as a fellow human being I feel obliged to tell you this, because in my eyes you're doing the equivalent of repeatedly bashing your head against the wall without even realizing it.
82eba9 No.14728763
>>14728747
Have you tried not participating in this thread then? You're ruining this thread for people who want to talk about this videogame. Try having some decency.
2fb90d No.14728793
Man, this is by far and away the worst siege general I've ever seen.
a06c1a No.14728874
>>14728352
>i dont know if you've noticed by now but every FPS with more than 10 players is filled with this type of cancer, in fact, nearly every new game is filled with this cancer to varying degrees
>it's okay when my favorite game does it
You know, all of this would be okay if you just said that you like rainbow six, despite being a bad game. But no, you guys have to try and convince others that it is actually good…
a43481 No.14728879
2fb90d No.14728881
>>14728874
>just say it's shit so I can be validated
Just stop. If he likes the game what the fuck makes you think he's gonna turn around and call it garbage?
a06c1a No.14728889
>>14728881
>he
they know that it is bad too, they are just getting this defensive because everyone is shitting on them. Either that or they are retarded.
2fb90d No.14728892
>>14728889
>no it has to be bad, I can't be wrong
2fb90d No.14728910
>>14728901
The core game is still the same. Playing with shitters is just endemic to every multiplayer game.
ef9f60 No.14728919
>>14728901
>But the game has become
The newer ops are rather lame and so is the toxicity filter, though I'd hardly say it has gone to the shitter over the past two seasons. The general gameplay experience hasn't significantly changed for the worse (or better) over time. Ash rushers are going to get shit on by all the introduced trap ops, and spawnpeeking doesn't even happen that often, nor is it that impossible to expect after having played the game for some time. The past two seasons have been lame, sure, but I'm not sure what brings people to say it's beyond redemption now. At least next season looks to be promising.
ec1ef3 No.14728980
>>14728952
This guy comes into every one of these threads constantly bitching and complaining about people enjoying the game.
Im not convinced he's ever actually played it. Stop responding to this spastic, as you're not gonna get anything constructive from him.
ec1ef3 No.14729090
>>14729062
IDs arent saved over multiple threads my nigga.
>>14729062
>I am qualified to decide what is objectively "casual".
>>14729072
What makes you an authority on what is and isn't shit, nigger.
46c3bb No.14729103
Made the mistake of buying the stater edition now I have to grind like a retard to unlock anything beyond the original operators.
Also with only 20 hours in I already noticed how cancerous Ash mains are, even more so after realizing that Zofia has an Ash in her pocket.
a8847f No.14729105
Siege is not a R6 game. It's just CoD with destructional environment gimmicks.
73688b No.14729165
Having to unlock operators is something I disagree with.
b5aca3 No.14729368
>>14729360
Are you this fucking dense?
0cd380 No.14729390
>>14729355
>>14729360
So you're mad /v/ isn't a hivemind, I'm just gonna say this once.
If you shit up a video games thread, you're gonna get banned. Even if it is a "shill" thread. Don't like the game then don't post in the thread. That is all
0cd380 No.14729426
>>14729407
I know it is, and the game is also shit. However as a video games board we must pride ourselves on talking about video games. I don't want a repeat of the Overmeme shit.
152e73 No.14729433
>boot up siege for the first time in 3 months
>first thing i see is this
we did it reddit
b5aca3 No.14729434
>>14729407
That is mark you ninny.
f2e2ad No.14729446
Also add this too, another example of them being good merchants:
>>14729433
There are a lot of cases like these, where you can't even say jew by fear of being banned.
See vol? We're talking about the developer and aspects they have included in the game and are damaging.
This is not derailment, this is not shitposting nor baiting, we're discussing the game.
152e73 No.14729448
e90161 No.14729453
>>14729446
>We're talking about the developer and aspects they have included in the game and are damaging.
That's fine, however preventing other anons from talking about the game in a positive manner is not.
2fb90d No.14729484
This thread has not been about the game from reply one. The first posts were just going
>siege
>ubi
>ishiggydiggy
And all the asshurt anon did nothing but engage them the rest of the thread. Then vols deleted everything, so it became about the board, then mark's fat ass showed up and now it's about him. So delete the thread and try again OP.
e90161 No.14729493
>>14729453
>but is shitting on a shitty game against the rules?
of course not, however if someone wants to discuss the game then they should be allowed to without a bunch of people going ape shit over it. We've had these threads for a while and I would like to see them stay. Like I said I don't want a repeat of the Overwatch shit, so don't ruin the thread and claim everyone here is a shill.
2fb90d No.14729496
>>14729493
There's a reason we stopped making them after operation chimera.
e90161 No.14729504
>>14729496
Want me to delete the thread so you guys could start over?
cae8e1 No.14729511
>>14729504
There's no reason to think these idiots won't do the same thing over again.
2fb90d No.14729518
>>14729504
Just delete it. Don't make another.
>>14729509
Nigger your other post is so retarded you've lost all credibility for this thread.
99cd7b No.14729522
>>14729504
why not let op decide that
e90161 No.14729535
>>14729518
>Just delete it. Don't make another.
Ah so you're one of those concerned niggers. nevermind
e90161 No.14729541
>>14729522
the deletion function is weird, which is why I asked. either way you should be allowed to discuss the game freely, both its pros and cons.
2fb90d No.14729559
>>14729535
Just delete it, if you want to make another I can't stop you, but it'd be better than the state of the thread now.
99cd7b No.14729561
>>14729541
If peoples want to talk about pros and cons, I'm fine with that but screaming ubishit and gb2 reddit is hardly a criticism. Peoples that play the game, know the game and how it works.
e90161 No.14729568
>>14729561
I agree with you.
9bb7d1 No.14729600
>>14729541
>discuss the game freely
isnt that why video game message boards exist?
046c27 No.14729602
>3 speeds getting picked over others
>buff 1 armor ops and nerf the speed of 3 armor ops
What the fucking fuck?
2fb90d No.14729612
>>14729602
>3 speed ops will be slightly slower and 1 speed ops will be slightly faster
They are doing the exact opposite man.
9a044a No.14729658
>taurus judge
Shitty meme gun
ef9f60 No.14729742
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>>14729602
Whoops, I forgot operators are rated by armor, not speed. So it's 1 armor ops getting their speed nerfed and 3 armor ops getting their speed buffed.
>>14729541
Now it's fine as it is. I'm actually glad nobody took my previous bait post too seriously. I don't mind people in coming in with the almost obligatory >lol ubi post as long as they stick to being (1) and done and don't derail the thread any further, after that point they're just shitposting about games they don't play against people who do, which isn't bound to get any useful discussion going at all. It's just been a while since we had regular Siege threads, the denizens need to get used again to the idea that just shiggying isn't really going to accomplish anything.
>>14729658
You will feel ashamed of your words and deeds.
e90161 No.14729782
>>14729742
Very well, I'll leave the thread up as is.
821a21 No.14729905
have they fixed the arena shooter movement yet? from 0 to 100% speed instantly in a tactical shooter is fucking retarded
a84334 No.14730124
>>14729742
Paul Harrel did the best review of the Judge. Its shittier than other guns at everything it does. Bad meme product for meme autists
>XD pistol thats a SHOTGUN dat means its powerful
74184d No.14730394
>Lion nerfed
Thank fucking Christ. Fuck that loser.
>Ying's Smokes have been replaced with a Claymore
Yeah good job Ubisoft. Make that chink even more useless why don't you?
>Bulletproof Cameras
This better not make it into live. If it does there will be NO REASON to play Valk at all anymore. Since Doc, Mute, Frost, and the two roamers would get cameras (Bulletproof cameras no less) it would be better to just use a different operator instead, like Rook, or Bandit.
>>14728400
>Outbreak Mode is no longer available.
It's been gone for a month now, but yeah that's bullshit. The fact Ubisoft is now following Blizzard's method of creating new gamemodes for limited time events, then removing them afterwards. Though on the other hand, Outbreak was a complete waste of time, and unlike Overtrash's limited time modes like Lucioball and the PvE shit, I see NO ONE wanting the Outbreak missions back. The time spent making that mode could've been used instead on:
<Making new maps
<Making new operators
<Fixing the god damn game
<Improving Terrorist Hunt
<ACTUALLY ADDING A GOD DAMN SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN!
b5aca3 No.14730445
>>14730394
Two charges is a little skimpy though. It used to be one to catch peekers at the start, another to catch defenders when you get in obj, and another to use when needed. Now you have to decide between the two. I think just changing it to movement based was enough. Also I still don't get how the bullet proof cams work. I thought it was a reinforcement to existing cams, do you get another deployable cam? Cause that sounds awful. Imagine the whole defending team using that, they could lock down the objective and then some, and you can't get rid of them very easily.
1b8e29 No.14730475
>>14728273
>Bulletproof Cameras
ef9f60 No.14730486
>>14730394
>there will be NO REASON to play Valk at all anymore
I disagree, bulletproof cams are very inflexible in terms of coverage and placement (you place them like you would place Jager's ADS) whereas Black Eyes can be stuck on ceilings and (more) safely outside buildings. On top of that Black Eyes are way less conspicuous, when one of your teammates isn't marking everything like a retard that is.
Both also have different uses. Valk cams work like regular cams but in places the opponent is less likely to expect, whereas bulletproof cams work more like discount Mira walls, since you can't remotely destroy them without an explosive and you're bound to get spotted by the enemy if you're within its line of sight, smoke nades wont help against it either.
72b040 No.14730507
>>14730445
The fuck? Only bronze and copper players used lion charges for spawn peeks, which doesn't even affect them because they're stationary at a window and usually shooting from second floor or a place wherever attackers can't retaliate easy. Now that he can't chain drone scans anymore he's much more manageable to deal with, he used to be able to chain the charges which stopped any defenders from contesting any objective, and he was especially stupid OP in bomb where using up a charge after a plant ate up 10 seconds on time when you have 30 seconds to attempt a defuse. If you're not using the drone scan to secure a kill or buy time then it's a giant waste, now everyone can't spam it whenever they want to with little to no counters with an global ability.
>>14730394
The new bulletproof cameras won't replace Valkyrie, they have to be placed like Jager Magpies on walls or floors, can't move like regular or valk cameras, and can still be shot from a distance if you aim for the sides. Compared to valkyrie directly, you can't throw it anywhere you want, being bigger than black eyes, and having 3 black eyes will still make her a good choice for intel, others can just help out if they want to. Also all the operators with deployable cameras are very medicore, no one is going to play one of those operators solely for the camera. The only real benifit I see is that being able to see thermally like Glaz Sniper would be great for stopping smoke plants, but then again Smoke and any operator with c4 can already stop that.
b5aca3 No.14730564
>>14730507
>The fuck? Only bronze and copper players used lion charges for spawn peeks
I wouldn't know, cause I don't play ranked at all
b5aca3 No.14730599
Also something just occurred to me. All the ops with machine pistols are gonna move at lightning speed now and with virtually no penalty to their offensive capabilities. so vigil is gonna be top fucking roamer if these changes go through.
ef9f60 No.14730622
>>14730599
They nerfed the speed of 1 armor ops probably just to compensate for the additional pistol speed boost on Vigil and Cav
b5aca3 No.14730638
>>14730622
that's fucking dumb. Now the other roamers get shafted. Except smoke.
72b040 No.14730698
>>14730564
If you're playing solo pubs then yeah he's not going to accomplish much, but with any semi coordinated team with a brain would do wonders with him. Hell I barely touched lion this season because I been so disinterested in the direction they're taking with the game, and I can see how stupid strong he was.
>>14730599
Also anyone with SMGs as secondary doesn't get the speed boost, so vigil won't be affected. This is a buff to Cav though, interested in seeing how that turns out for her. Nerfing 3 speed operators is good though, alongside buffing 1 speed operators movement speed now you don't have to run as if you're in quicksand anywhere and 3 speed operators are way too flexible that you can have a full team of 3 speed and easily come out on top.Being able to move fast as shit just makes the game into call of duty shootfest, now there's some resemblance of an tactical shooter.
b5aca3 No.14730710
>>14730698
Oh that's good then. Though cav is really gonna be stupid good unless her special pistol is also on that list. I really like shield ops being able to keep pace now though, because before all the jumpy 3 speeds would just rush ahead of you cause your ass is way to slow, but now you can actually keep up and take point.
72b040 No.14730730
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/news/152-322310-16/seasonal-skins
Uniforms are now locked to seasons like the seasonal skins, if you want to get the full set before you're unable to buy it because timed digital content and not grind like you're working in the salt mines you better pay up goyim!
b5aca3 No.14730750
>>14730730
Just fucking why? I mean nothing much lost but christ. Is this gonna apply to skins retroactively too?
9c4c3d No.14730775
>supporting a game with tranny operators
b5aca3 No.14730790
>>14730775
>making up lies cause you're just that assblasted
9c4c3d No.14730794
>>14730790
>being attracted to tranny operators
Just because they claim to be female, doesn't mean that they are.
b5aca3 No.14730807
>>14730794
>I have much asspain and I must shitpost: the post
last reply
ae53ab No.14730814
>>14730394
>lion nerf
Eh, he's still fundamentally broken and shouldn't be in the game, but thank fucking Christ that people see one nerf and then stop playing the character.
b5aca3 No.14730822
>>14730814
I'm gonna play him regardless, that vector franken gun is just too sexy.
72b040 No.14730830
>>14730710
Yeah being able to catch up with the team is nice, now you can actually enter the building with Ash and Hibana fucks that rush and either kill3-4 operators by themselves or get killed the moment they enter inside.
>>14730750
the nose knows
>>14730775
There's plenty of other things you can complain about like Ubisoft monetizing everything in the game, recent shitty operators direction that are stupidly OP to sell season passes, constant bugs out of the ass, return of fixed bugs because ubisoft is that incompetent, toxic chat ban that's stupid and pointless, community taking a giant nose dive after Y2S1, and you decide to pick an non existent issue about the game?
7b35c2 No.14730968
>>14730445
No, it was one to clear obj, and two scans to make sure they can't disable the defuser while everybody stands outside the room waiting to kill anybody who enters the obj.
b65a22 No.14732219
I'm going to be the voice or reason and say to you now: this website is just awful and not enjoyable to browse. 87+ replies (not counting the deleted) and almost every one of them is bloat. If you don't mind, I think it would be good for you to take a step back and just scroll up slowly, taking it all in. The evidence is right here. This website just isn't fun and you shouldn't put time into it Anon. I don't think it's good for your health.
Closing statement: The word shitposting before 2014 was only ever used to call out bad posters, after 2014 it evolved and become something "cool" & "imageboard culture" and you see people use the word shitposting be used to describe oneself
>friday night thread
>"just shitposting and listening to music"
Like that. You could also use this thread as an example
You can check the archives if you don't believe me, and if you do you might as well browse 2008 /a/ for a bit and take in how non-aggressive it is in comparison to the timesink website you're reading now. https://yuki.la/a/page/4281
b5aca3 No.14732247
>>14732219
when the whole internet sinks, imageboards go with it anon.
3dba05 No.14733809
>>14732247
Imageboards can just move to the darknet.
c968d7 No.14734158
>echo gets 2 drone
>can bounce it on wall
Time to get the dust out of that nip
2fb90d No.14737465
>>14734158
>2drone echo
But why? I thought echo was in a pretty good place as he is. Does he really need a buff?
2fb90d No.14737506
>>14737503
Your asshurt brings me pleasure
46c3bb No.14737509
>>14729658
Taurus actually makes pretty good revolvers and shotguns.
2fb90d No.14737520
>>14737508
Nice job calling yourself a soylad you dumb newfag.
8f8be2 No.14737547
>>14737520
>t. Corporate cocksucker.
26ba90 No.14738456
>>14729105
>New shooter other than cowahdoody is popular
>Buh… b..but it's just CoD with [Insert gimmick]….
Here's your (you).
26ba90 No.14738464
>>14737465
Teammates can also view/spot with it now so take that as a nerf/buff if you will.
The point of giving him a second one was to encourage Echo to play more aggressive with his drone instead of camping behind a shield all game trying to keep it alive til the enemy tries to plant.
26ba90 No.14738481
>>14730394
>This better not make it into live.
>If it does there will be NO REASON to play Valk at all anymore.
Except they're nothing like Valk cams.
You only get one, they can only look straight forward with a narrow FOV making them useless anywhere other than at the end of a corridor and they have to be set like a Jager ADS.
They can't can't be shot from the front but can be from the side or just blown up. They have IRNV though, so they can counter Glaz smoke pushes.
2fb90d No.14738831
>>14738481
I think it's good cause now valk doesn't have to waste any cams on objective and can put pretty much all of them either outside or places she's gonna roam, and the thermal ones can cover objective. It's also a bit of a huff to dokki cause now there are more cams for her to use and you can't just shoot these ones down as soon as you realize they're compromised.
c968d7 No.14738954
>>14737465
I suppose >>14738464 got it nailed down. Having 2 drones will allow you to be more aggressive without being useless after losing it. Bouncing the sonar could work after practice so you will not lose one easily….but having your idiot teammate ping like a fucker is a huge nerf on itself so it’s not much of a change. He only needed a buff on the shorty becasue that the worst one of all
c968d7 No.14738959
>>14738456
>anything I don’t like it’s a gimmick
But anon, he is right no. Being able to wreck all the map to have murderhole isn’t a fucking gimmick, it’s a core mechanism of this game
4af7ea No.14738974
>>14738456
It's esports cancer though.
2fb90d No.14738996
>>14738954
I wonder if it'll be like twitch and you can have two active at a time, or if one is just a back up drone. Also I wonder how the bouncing shots will work. It'd be great if you could shoot around corners so people freak out and have no idea where your drone is.
72b040 No.14740248
>>14738996
Not sure how bouncing would work either, Echo drone currently can affect teammates so an unskilled Echo can end up hindering a teammate by accident if he misses. Having 2 drones though should be interesting to say the least.
b5aca3 No.14740563
Is it just me or does the MPX fucking suck?
ef9f60 No.14740575
>>14740563
It's meant to suck in order to offset Valk's ability of being able to know enemy positions via cameras they're not immediately aware of, else she'd be stupidly OP.
72b040 No.14740658
>>14740563
It's decent, the damage is only the shitty part but it has a decent ROF and recoil pattern that you can get headshots pretty easily if you're good at aiming, like Castle's and Pulse's UMP.
>>14740575
An operator with an insane intel gadget and insanely good gun? I'm glad ubisoft hasn't done that yet.
860cd5 No.14740698
Doki is a terrible addition to this game and her designer (both mechanics and visual) needs to be shot. Lion as well, although aesthetically he's okay. Finka isn't quite as bad, but perhaps only in comparison.
b5aca3 No.14740718
>>14740658
The UMPs at least feel powerful. I honestly can't think of any other gun in the game that just feels as shitty as the MPX does.
>>14740698
I wish someone else had lion's gun.
5c452e No.14740759
I'm actually very pleased about the bulletproof cam, I was hoping they would add new universal gadgets because last time they did it was claymores and impact grenades and those came out well, IMO
>>Lion's scan now only has 2 charges down from 3 with a 20 second cooldown between them, up from 10, and standing still after moving during a scan no longer displays your silhouette constantly, Ubi acknowledges he was too OP
It's something, it doesn't change the fact that if he's alive during a bomb plant or point contest that the defenders might as well pack it up
>>Hibana's Claymore got replaced with a Breaching Charge, so Thermite can be a more attractive pick
what? this makes thermite a less attractive pick because now Hibana operates more like year 1 thermite when he had breaching charges
>>Pick and Ban system
absolutely terrible, i was hoping they would fucking drop this.
><it doesn't automatically fire on enemies, it can only shoot if directly controlled using a camera, otherwise it goes into a stationary mode and is completely bulletproof
As if Tachanka wasn't on the bench hard enough. These changes don't sound terrible but it's going to make it so Thatcher has to work three times as hard, which is fine because I play the guy a lot but now i dunno if three EMP charges will be enough anymore
>>14730394
>If it does there will be NO REASON to play Valk at all anymore
Valk will still be able to throw cameras out of windows, and on top of that she has nitro cell AND her cameras, mute would have to choose between his valuable nitro or a camera. The other thing is defenders need all they can get right now because attacker advantage has become huge and extra cameras is more clever than just putting another godmode like Ela into the roster
>>14730730
I'd buy some of the black uniforms but i'd rather hold on to my renown for buying operators, pretty gay cash grab
>>14737465
Devs don't seem to like how he was being played so they're tweaking him, being able to ping on his drone is something i dunno where i stand on because it previously forced echo players to make good callouts.
>>14738831
>and you can't just shoot these ones down as soon as you realize they're compromised.
can you pick them back up like ADS though?
b5aca3 No.14740791
>>Pick and Ban system
>absolutely terrible, i was hoping they would fucking drop this.
So far it's only in custom games, so there's still a chance it won't make it in. I imagine it'll just be used for those gay esports tournaments but left out of ranked and casual.
5c452e No.14740796
>>14740791
I almost exclusively play casual anyway because i prefer first to 3 and there's more maps available in it, PnB is gay but if it isn't in every game type it won't be too annoying
72b040 No.14740811
>>14740718
Yeah I guess, it sounds and feels like a peashooter
>>14740759
Bulletproof camera is an interesting addition to the game, I'm just glad it doesn't make Valkyrie useless by having actual downsides to it, where the fuck was that balancing when Lion was released? Hibana's claymore is a nerf in my opinion, being able to cover run out spots was nice and handy, I'd usually get a kill from a greedy defender with a claymore. Now I'm kinda stuck playing Thermite in solo queue because good luck having a pub watch your flank when your'e trying to do an objective or use your pellets. The pick and ban system I can't stand, this isn't a fucking MOBA where you should be limited in what operators you have, I can't imagine how rounds are going to be if both teams decide to Thermite and Hibana, it'll be whoever defends first would have a clear advantage over the starting attacking team. And yeah, the new auto turret makes tachanka absolutely useless, as if he wasn't already. They should just retire his Vodka chugging ass with a new operator that does something totally different, there's almost no way they can salvage him.
>>14740796
It's only in Custom games, but if it's sucessful they're looking to put it in Ranked and even Casual, as if Siege needed that garbage in teh first place.
5c452e No.14740829
>>14740811
> I can't imagine how rounds are going to be if both teams decide to Thermite and Hibana
Thatcher is more likely to be on the chopping block because whoever is defending first will get a big advantage by taking thatcher out of the equation.
>there's almost no way they can salvage him.
I always thought replacing the tripod with a bipod that works prone or on various surfaces could fix his issues. A faster deploy time too so he wouldn't have to abandon his gun every time the position started to crumble
b5aca3 No.14740861
>>14740811
>>14740829
the crux of the issue with chanka is his immobility. I get why he has it, and I like the idea, but there has to be a way to make it work. He's supposed to basically be a kind of defender blackbeard, or like mira where the goal is to basically lock down the objective. I think if they made his glass just straight up unbreakable like mira's window he could do something, but that's just kinda bruteforcing the problem.
4880d7 No.14740880
>>14740698
Finka is worse than lion, at least he needs to be played by above trashtier players
>how about giving the side with clear advantage in firefights by design a global superboost? sounds like a good idea
>what about negating one of the best gadgets on defence (barb)? genius
>how about we lower ads time too so shield ops can kill people and then get back to shielding in 50ms and allow 3 speeds to burst into the room full sprint then start shooting before defenders will render their elbows? great idea, jim, we both know this game isnt busted in favour of speed, has trash hitreg due to hitboxes folding themselves 12 times on animation state changes and peeking advantage up the fucking wazoo
>inb4 smoke
If you throw it as they run they're already 2/3rd of the smokes aoe when it pops.
>inb4 lesion
He's op atm too so I refuse to play him
5c452e No.14740887
>>14740861
Very few maps give tachanka a spot to work well is another thing, certain tricks like hiding in the meat locker on yacht or the closet to kids bedroom can work assuming you deny information successfully. Even with buffs he and IQ will never really make it off the bench because a good/above average player doesn't need those gadgets. No one who's played the game for awhile needs IQs scanner to find kaptraps/jammers/nitros/etc. because they all have audio/visual cues and an decent player can do the same thing tachanka does with a defender who has a higher round magazine or impacts
72b040 No.14740890
>>14740829
Personally I think Thermite and HIbana is more powerful of a ban than Thatcher paired up with either of the two, Thatcher at least has some alternatives to what he does. You can Twitch Drone jammers and batteries, Fuze from above if it's a breachable surface, if its a breachable surface above you can also just shotgun or blow up the floor and shoot the obstacles in your way of a sucessful reinforcement breach. Thermite and Hibana, there's no alternatives to what those two brings to the table, until Ubisoft makes a third reinforcement breacher. Hopefully before this system gets put into ranked and casual.
>>14740861
You're absolutely right. Being able to move 360 degrees and deployed faster is nice, but it doesn't stop his biggest flaw of being completely immobile. It's why lion is so or was so fucking strong, because he can basically lock all defenders to the ground and try to contest with attackers having a clear cut advantage, or stand still and be an easy target for an attacker that droned them out while lion drone is active. I like the idea of him having a mobile turret, where he's slow as shit but can at least move around very slowly and not be glued to the floor.
5c452e No.14740904
>>14740890
>You can Twitch Drone jammers and batteries
a competent mute will shut down twitch easily, especially since they gave her that retarded nerf, she's so inefficient now that thatcher is the only truly reliable gadget buster. I'm still miffed about that and I don't even play Twitch a lot because the braindead devs listened to reddit shitters again who can't shoot a fat drone that can't fucking jump
046c27 No.14740914
>>14740904
>a competent operator will shut down twitch easily
fix'd
860cd5 No.14740920
>>14740861
What if he could lower his MG to chest level, allowing him to reload and replace the glass. Then you could fire down a hallway and if your glass gets broken, duck down behind your deployable shield to replace them. Add a small window of time where you're vulnerable during this and I think it could help.
5c452e No.14740921
>>14740914
true, but Mute can keep her from even getting into OBJ without help from some one like thatcher, or like the other anon said, fuze blowing the shit out of OBJ gadgets but that only works on certain maps/gametypes
b5aca3 No.14740943
>>14740887
i think IQ is pretty okay now, maybe just above castle tier, because of the sheer amount of shit to look out for and the twitch nerf.
>>14740890
He's just way too easy to get rid of. Grenades, capitao, fuze, flashbangs, shield ops, and in a way thermite and hibana can all shut him down easily, and there is no team in the world that doesn't have at least one of these things at their disposal.
5c452e No.14740957
>>14740943
I still feel that IQs gadget is too cumbersome for most matches, she's most valuable for finding valk cams but just about everything else has some form of cue to let players locate the gadget or at least know it's nearby. maybe if her scanner opened/closed faster i wouldn't give her so much shit.
72b040 No.14740962
>>14740887
IQ been in a much better spot lately, because of Ubisoft adding a shitload of new shit to look out for like lesion GU mines, countering Pulse and Vigil, Kapkan invisible traps, Ela mines, etc. Not to mention she has some good guns and grenades and she's much better than before. Maybe one last buff is instead of looking at her iphone screen she just has the gadget attached to her helmet like Jackal.
>>14740943
Yeah, its the same problem as lion. Being stuck in one spot is a death sentence where 3 Speed, drones, and intel is very valuable tools to have.
b5aca3 No.14740978
>>14740957
Gu traps and ela mines are still big concerns with virtually no way of knowing they're there without droning really hard. You are correct that it's still very inconvenient though.
>>14740962
Lion isn't too bad until you have to get somewhere, ie the objective is being capped.
5c452e No.14741004
>>14740978
>Gu traps and ela mines are still big concerns with virtually no way of knowing they're there without droning really har
I feel that some of the lighting changes made Gu easier to see with the naked eye but you aren't wrong at all, a grizmont placed on a doorframe is impossible to locate without a drone or IQ and I still feel that it needs some sort of audio cue or something. Even if you detect one above a door as IQ you cant' really go break it without activating it
72b040 No.14741008
>>14740978
Before when he had 3 charges he had a decent supply to pop one to kill a roamer. Have a teammate drone out an isolated roamer, pop scan and rush the poor bastard. Thankfully with the nerf he'll have to use it only for objective and in smarter ways, which is annoying still but at least he can't chain the scans in a row.
16209c No.14741010
>>14730730
I highly suggest for everyone to get the black uniform for Frost and Buck
Its a significant improvement over the bright white uniform they have default. Might not change a ton but at least its a bit of help.
>>14740880
>>what about negating one of the best gadgets on defence (barb)? genius
After the changes they made to barbed wire (less slow and 2 hits to break) its become one of the worse options, unless the other one is a shield.
I agree with Lesion being OP. His gadget is plain up good, except that you need to stay alive long enough for it to have the desired affect.
046c27 No.14741027
>>14741010
I always thought I should get the skins but I dont have the renown for it, just bought a an operator.
b5aca3 No.14741028
>>14741004
Yeah, I really hate that about the mines, it's rather bullshit. It makes it so if you don't have twitch, thatch, or some form of explosive you're just fucked.
>>14741008
>Have a teammate drone out an isolated roamer, pop scan and rush the poor bastard
I never play ranked so I never had to deal with coordination of that level.
>>14741010
I don't think lesion is OP. He's very good, but he's like mira or what tachanka is supposed to be. He just locks down the objective, and the longer he's alive the more points of entry he denies, so it pays to stay safe and hide in the objective room. I think he is amazingly designed save for the fact the mines are invisible, that's just cheap.
5c452e No.14741032
>>14741010
>I highly suggest for everyone to get the black uniform for Frost and Buck
you know i fuckin would if uniforms didn't cost about as much as a whole new operator, and i grinded enough last season to buy every new op this season so i gotta hold those shekels
b5aca3 No.14741036
>>14741027
>>14741032
If you stick with the game you'll have more renown that you know what do with. I have all the ops and a slew of cosmetics and I'm still just sitting on 150k renown waiting to blow 50 on the new ops every season.
16209c No.14741040
>>14741028
>I don't think lesion is OP.
I agree, in the general sense of how he is played. But there are lot of cheap moves you can do, such as stacking all of them in a single spot for instant kill, or generally throwing 2 or 3 together. I've played with a few japs and whenever they play Lesion they always stack those fuckers up for the insane damage.
With a Mira window you got to actually put yourself at risk when peaking the enemies to shoot them, with Lesion you have almost nothing to fear by throwing your mines around aside from the site rushing Ash.
5c452e No.14741043
>>14741036
>If you stick with the game you'll have more renown that you know what do with.
I know, i've been playing since about partway through year 1 and I had a goy pass one year so i stacked a big pile of renown, but i'm not playing as frequently right now so i'm not collecting as fast.
5c452e No.14741436
First match in awhile, I think the game must know I was taking a break and is trying to lure me back in with slightly less crummy than usual skins
06d3d3 No.14742064
>>14741040
>stacking
Well yeah I didn’t thought about that….will try it next time thx anon
>place and forget
Kinda as kap pre nerf. You placed the traps in main rush place and see the kill feed pop up like Christmas
b5aca3 No.14742073
>>14742064
I still kinda miss old kap. I still get a kill every now and then with is new traps but it's not the same.
4880d7 No.14743039
>>14741028
>>14742064
Lesion has better intel than mira that's basically undetectable without IQ, a great gun and is a 2 speed. On top of that you know how frost traps are really good in the last seconds and if you step into one at that time you basically lost. Ubi still panders to consoles which means one button for all interactions which means that lesion mines are as effective as a frost trap in last seconds since you can't plant but he gets 2 times more of them.
046c27 No.14743074
>>14741040
The best is when you put one in a place they're guaranteed to walk over but dont want to stay at to remove the needle, then put another needle in the nearest cover or the best path to exit the cover and listen to them walk into another on just after they removed the first.
I swear the sound of enemies stepping on multimple Gu mines after just removing the last one makes me so glad.
f3388a No.14743087
>>14741436
It wants me to keep going.
2fb90d No.14744064
>>14743074
Does multiple gus do anything other than hit another 10 damage if the guy is already poisoned?
ef9f60 No.14745270
Since we'll get bulletproof cameras now, I wonder why they won't just make Tachanka's turret shield completely bulletproof and only breakable with explosives, which would make him actually viable for locking down areas instead of being a glorified Blackbeard.. Attackers still have plenty of ways to circumvent him that way, such as flashbangs, smokes, shield ops, explosives, flare darts, etc. It might be somewhat OP when combined with Mira walls (opening a mirror with attackers peering through on the other side just for a Tachanka to pop out with his bulletproof turret would be hilarious), but at least he'd be usable for once.
16209c No.14745511
>>14744064
Basically not much. It does not do anything besides give them the damage of hitting it and resetting the poison timer.
5c452e No.14748954
>>14743087
>saiga skins
sorry for your lots
2fb90d No.14748986
>>14748954
Just like, play finka.
046c27 No.14748994
>>14744064
I usually try to put my gu mines so that they'll run into new ones after removing the last one, that way I usually get 1-3 assits per round and 2-3 kills a day with tjust the mines.
And also cover an area around the objective, then I just roam and wait for the mines to reveal where they're coming from.
5c452e No.14749007
>>14748986
I'll stick with her rifle when i use her, I like it a lot
4378d7 No.14749011
>>14744064
I place the GU mines so I know exactly where they are and can easily wallbang, He's got retarded map presence
ef9f60 No.14749033
>>14749011
This, I pretty much main Lesion on defense because you can essentially lay out a spider web of Gu mines on all possible points of entry so I don't get any nasty surprises, it's easier on the nerves knowing where the enemy hasn't gone yet.
bff861 No.14749396
They seriously need to fix the team killing problem in this game.
>I'm Fuze, announce I'm fuzing objective room
>dumb faggot rushes in even after I say this and gets killed
>he starts shooting me at the start of the next round
>I shoot back and kill him and get banned for 2 hours
I'm about done with this game because of bullshit like this. This could all be solved with dedicated servers but we can't have that because of esports fags.
b5aca3 No.14749431
>>14749396
I guess making TKing in the first 30 seconds of the match an instant ban/kick would work.
5c452e No.14749694
>>14749431
issue with that is you could get a kick for some idiot running infront of spawn cameras. Instant kicks don't really function in most scenarios except for some one blatantly shooting 3 teammates in a span of 10 seconds or something
b5aca3 No.14750118
My god I found a gun worse than valk's mpx. Frost's fucking shotgun. And I love the shotguns in this game, but hot fucking damn I can't kill anything with this garbage. And it deals less fucking damage than her other gun with a fucking suppressor on it. That's just fucking sad.
>>14749694
I don't think that'd happen enough to be a real big issue. Or maybe just ally spawn protection?
5c452e No.14750206
>>14750118
>Frost's fucking shotgun.
before the 100th shotgun nerf I really liked it, it felt like it had a way tighter spread than other shotguns at the time and I swear on me nans grave i used it multiple times to headshot a hostage carrier without hurting the hostage
6358c9 No.14750505
c968d7 No.14752569
>>14750118
Oh… is increasing, now every time there is a cav on the team I check what she is doing before turning my back. I’ve lost at least 10-12 matches becasue the moron downed all the team with her pistol and then leave before the bancan actually work
c968d7 No.14752574
>>14749694
Which you could fix it temporarily with placing a TK ratio, as soon as you see something below 2.0 or some shit like that you better ready to aim
>they will just make a new account
Then tie it down but not visible I guess? So the matchmaking always fit them with TKillers and wonder why
72b040 No.14752598
>>14752574
There's a bunch of fixes to the TK system that can work but ubisoft is too lazy/stupid to implement them. This is the same developers that took 6 months to nerf ela and thought lion was acceptable to be released in his original state.
69b050 No.14753837
>>14748954
It's actually not a bad gun, it has surprisingly good range and okay recoil.
69b050 No.14756471
So operation parabellum is confirmed, at least partially. The surroundings for the new map look pretty.
73688b No.14756499
>>14756471
10 Years into the future, people will still defend having to unlock operators
e5aba3 No.14756545
I love House as a map, since it's small layout means that practically the entire map is in play no matter where the objective is, but good God do they need to adjust the hostage spawns. Half of them are practically impossible to defend.
>>14749396
>play exclusively hostage
>learn how you can deploy fuze charges to not kill the hostage
>be placing a fuze charge on a different room than the hostage is even in
>teammate shoots me
>"haha don't worry guys I was watching out for that, there's always the idiot that picks fuze on hostage"
>>14750118
>Frost's fucking shotgun.
Cav's shotgun does slightly less with each shot (usually), although I think it can fire slightly faster. And for some reason the ITA12L is practically the worst pump shotgun.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QF72f4Bm7PfbWeSWbl8R8uL0mOzXpG_1vOjqEjXcFGk/edit#gid=1228032078
>>14752598
>This is the same developers that took 6 months to nerf ela and thought lion was acceptable to be released in his original state.
And who have an operator that can, with no warning nor ability to counter it, can cause all defenders positions to be revealed in a game where situational awareness is hyper important.
836759 No.14756761
>>14756545
the counter is mute charges which really doesn't make sense since it's like sonar or something
e5aba3 No.14756790
>>14756761
I was referring to Doki's call. I don't think, although I'm not sure, that Lion's wubs are blocked by Mute jammers. However, I don't consider jammers a counter to Doki since if you're a roamer (the people that get most screwed by Doki) there's no chance you're next to one unless your Mute has set one aside specifically for you.
7d0cbf No.14757401
>>14756499
>why I have to play the game to have the newest op?
>I want everything now and ready
This is your brain on normalfaggotry
7d0cbf No.14757408
>>14756545
>fuzing hostage
I would have done that too anon stop bitching
>different room then hostage
Then he is just retarded fucking noobs although is still Risky, saw some fuck up bouncing when I was fuze main
>be fuze
>border
>bomb on custom and storage
>fuzing the hatch since wasn’t reinforced
>the puck bounced back straight up and blew me and a teammate
125484 No.14757436
>>14728273
If any of you faggots ever want to play, send a request to MilkOperator on Uplay. I mainly play on the weekends over night to the early morning. I'm on EST. Just let me know you are from /v/.
d62467 No.14757735
>how can anon keep shilling this its a game thats 99% retarded teenagers team killing and screaming "u mad bro u mad?", how could he find that fun?
>Oh.
73688b No.14757753
>>14757401
If you want to restrict the pool to focus on learning there can be a game mode for new players. There is no reason to lock operators other than greed. A player is never disadvantaged by having more options. The character based gameplay works better when you have all possible strategies available and it comes down just to knowledge and execution.
Unlocking things that affect gameplay is only good in single player games. The playing field is not even when people have more or less optipns depending on money or playtime.
73688b No.14757760
>>14757735
Because it’s different enough to them that they put up with the system of abuse. Some of them are so helplessly inert that they will fight to protect it.
046c27 No.14757796
>Whole team dies within 30 seconds of the match starting
>stall 2 minutes and kill 3 people, but then die because shit aim struck at worst time
>Some arab starts shit talking since I didnt clutch
What makes a person bark out like some retarded dog when the guy you're trying to talk shit about has 3 kills and you have none? Is it just some arab / pajeet thing?
ef9f60 No.14757948
>>14757796
>playing Monty on plane, climbing on the entry stairway
>one of ours warns for possible spawnpeeking, only for him and another to get spawnpeeked by a dickass Frost right after he said that
>I pursue carefully, spot a welcome mat and destroy it instead of rushing in like a moron
>while shooting out a camera, one of my teammates enters from behind but mistakes me for an enemy and shoots me in the head
>said teammate soon sticks his foot in another Welcome Mat and gets owned by fucking Frost again
>our last guy is Glaz camping on the sniper towers, except he's a terrible fucking shot, the round ends with him failing to grab the ladders and falling off the tower to his death like a fucking moron
At times you feel it doesn't even matter whether playing on free weekends determines how retardproof casual matchmaking is, though at other times things get so retarded that it loops back into being hilarious. Without friends, you're really better off learning to play like a lone wolf and roaming about.
ec1ef3 No.14757990
>>14757753
Unfortunately it's sort of the reality of "live" games, especially those with dedicated servers. Without a revenue stream (Which ideally is cosmetic, If there has to be one Cosmetic purchases are the best) the game isn't viable for the developers to support.
It is, however, nice that all these things can be unlocked through normal gameplay (Even cosmetics) in R6. I would much rather operators WEREN'T locked at all, but it's sort of unavoidable. Especially when fucking ubishit, EA, or a similar huge entity is the publisher Even "Indie" games do this as well nowadays though. People are accepting enough of it that small companies like the guys doing Dead by Daylight have a similar monetisation scheme, and i doubt anything will change.
I mean, it's still better than the older DLC/expansion method of splitting playerbases between vanilla and DLC versions of games… (Examples including; Command and Conquer Generals/ZeroHour, and the various fucking versions of Street Fighter) All gameplay changes other than new characters are patched in for free into the base game, which is certainly a step up.
What would you suggest as an alternative? Just Cosmetic purchases? Something different?
836759 No.14757993
>>14757948
>mistaking the guy with a big ass shield for an enemy
836759 No.14758008
>>14757990
ti3 dota is pretty good other than the gay stretch goals in the compendium. Every single hero is playable from the start. Cosmetics fit the theme of the heroes and aren't pants on head retarded. You get a gay little book that lets brainlets fund their esports.
ec1ef3 No.14758010
>>14745270
To be honest i think Tachanka as a concept is just flawed. I dont think there's a middleground between "immobile free kill" and "Unassailable fortress". Maybe the latter would be better than the former though.
Also the bulletproof cameras thing isn't really comparable to Tachanka… They can be destroyed from the sides, and with explosives, and more pressingly arent actually dangerous. An "Invincible" camera is a different beast to an "Invincible" gun
836759 No.14758019
>>14758010
Why the fuck have they still not given him an ACOG?
ec1ef3 No.14758063
>>14758019
What, for his primary, or for his turret? His primary is both a laser beam (and so would be WAY too efficient as a weapon with an ACOG), and is shared with Kapkan, so you can't nerf it JUST for Tachanka to allow him to have an ACOG.
And his turret's problem isnt being able to aim at people, either. It's being stationary, and too vulnerable. Giving him an ACOG is a bandaid "Fix" that isnt going to solve his core issues. I really dont know what they can do to 'Chanka without making him a completely different operator though.
>>14758008
True, actually. DOTA has a far larger player-base than basically any other game on the market though, im assuming the economy of scale has something to do with how viable that is. It would be nice if they did some sort of "Compendium" thing instead of the operators costing shekels, but I dont really know what it'd DO. There are more things you can change cosmetically in DOTA without actually damaging the game experience than you can in r6, which sort of relies on readability.
I mean, hey, who knows, they might actually make all ops free at some point. They did recently make all basegame ops free. Other than some questionable decisions regarding balancing (Ela and Lion, though ELA is in an OK place now, and Lion is similarly being changed) the devteam for R6 really seem to be trying their best.
2fb90d No.14758094
>>14758063
I'd rather it not go the way of dota because Christ look at everything about that game. Though it is nice they made all the base ops and attachments free.
73688b No.14758317
>>14757990
Only minor cosmetics like special insignias and custom patches on uniform, no dramatic changes to models, customizable killcard and personal operator profile. Non visual customization like announcers, voice maskers, custom UI's. Community made items which can be tried for free on community hosted services. All content relating to the gameplay unlocked right away. Only minor cosmetics and non-essential customization monetized. The community can out-do the quality and quantity of all of the content ubisoft has created, they only need to give them tools. Make sure you have to go through a training exercise to play as a female operator to weed out people who only like thots. Fund the esports partly through the sale of cosmetics.
ec1ef3 No.14758336
>>14758317
Hm, that's actually a pretty good idea. It'd probably make them more money than monetising the operators as well… im pretty sure the throughput for cosmetic purchases exceeds operator purchases even now.
I'd say "Maybe email them" but then I realised there's no point.
73688b No.14758343
>>14758336
The next terrorist reimbursed by the Canadian government will wipe out most of the Ubisoft executives.
ec1ef3 No.14758360
>>14758343
Honestly I think the main thing holding them back is the executive branch. Ubisoft do genuinely have some talented teams making interesting games, (Siege, For Honor, The Division), but they keep getting held back by suits rushing them through the door in a sub-par state,
Im hoping the recent upturn of all three of those games is due to a changing philosophy at Ubisoft head office, and not due to dumb fucking luck.
cae8e1 No.14758424
>>14758360
>For Honor
They really fucked that game over. I tried it during the free weekend and I kept getting crashes. Made it unplayable. The combat looked simple, but fun enough to be a nice time-waster.
706fe7 No.14758434
>>14758063
I think one of the main problems with Tachunky is his visibility or lack thereof. The main strategy is to place your turret behind your shield but there is a massive dead zone in terms of sight when you do so. Your sight is more or less fixed on the horizon, but given the range of the weapon that is not a good thing. I've always thought letting him mount his gun on top of his shield would be a good thing. Maybe giving the shield an arm that he can swivel on either side of the shield one body width in exchange for exposing his legs.
55926b No.14758452
>>14758063
I've been saying they should make Tachanka use his DP-28 as his primary and replace the stationary tripod with a foldable Bipod he can deploy on surfaces.
2fb90d No.14758458
>>14758452
It would be great if it was any vaultable surface, so he could blast a wall with his shotgun, lay down his gun, and then book it once he gets under fire.
ec1ef3 No.14758563
>>14758424
The free weekend had some problems, which was REALLY ill-timed. The game's generally fairly stable, though i wont lie and say it isnt still without it's problems. I think we're at the "Red Crow" era in For Honor right now. Dedicated Servers were a VERY good start, but we need more.
The game's honestly a lot of fun. The combat's rather more involved than you'd think to be honest. It really does play like a 3-d fighting game. It kinda depends who you play, as well. Warden, for example, currently doesn't have much. Wheras Gladiator has a LOT of tools at his disposal.
Pick up the starter edition if you liked it enough, despite the crashing. It's not as much of a scam as the R6 one was… but it does take some time to unlock everyone. 500 steel in the regular version, 8000 per in the starter edition. You get between 20-100 i think for playing each game, and several thousand per day for doing "Contracts".
>>14758452
I dont think that'd help though, he'd be even MORE limited in where he could be. At least now he can place it on walkable flooring. If he could do both, maybe… but honestly id expect there'd be a lot of work involved in letting him do that, given the numerous heights of potentially deployable surfaces.
cae8e1 No.14758658
>>14758563
>if you liked it enough
I really couldn't tell because whenever I started a round it would crash. I wasn't planning on giving it any more attention. A shame, but what can you do. Wasted potential has become Ubisoft's motto for a while now.
>starter edition
I didn't even realize it had different 'editions', I thought it bombed so hard the full, standard game was lowered 15 euros.
d64a71 No.14758674
Random question, why does defense recruit only get one reinforcement whereas attack recruit gets both drones?
>>14758010
While I doubt it'd happen, giving the DP28 a suppression mechanic similar to how Red Orchestra and similar games have might work. I'd say extend the effect to all machine guns, but at that point I feel it might get unbalanced.
With that being said, I feel that Tachanka has an ability that isn't explicitly listed, which is to induce mental retardation in his opponents, because the amount of times I've seen someone get mowed down in a narrow hallway by Tachanka, only for the entire rest of the team to try and peek the same corner one by one is depressing.
ec1ef3 No.14758771
>>14758658
Nah, they recently made a "Starter edition" that's genuinely a different option, rather than the scam the R6 one is. Game's picking back up, too. There's about 11-14'000 concurrent players at any one time, and this is just steam versions. UPLAY likely has more, as the game key is slightly cheaper on there.
It was definitely wasted potential on launch, i played the beta and gave it no further consideration due to the connection issues (And the fact i was playing a limited hero at the time, which gave me rather a bad impression) but it seems like it's making a siege-style comeback. It remains to be seen whether they can maintain the uptick, but they're confident enough that they've announced both a swathe of hero reworks (Which are in progress, we have six reworks so far, several more coming) and another wave of NEW heroes. They're even coming to e3 for some reason.
I know i sound like a shill but im enjoying the game way more than i thought i would. If nothing else give it another go during the next free weekend, hopefully they dont shit the bed so hard with the servers.
Oh and if you're EU we can party up.
ec1ef3 No.14758789
>>14758674
It's partially because people think he's even weaker and more useless than he actually is. He can still kill people and do work, he's just less effective than literally any other defender.
So people think "lmao, tachanka. Watch this bois" and try to meme him with quick peeks or a grenade, and then fall flat on their face. Subsequent teammates think this was a fluke, rinse and repeat.
5bc734 No.14759012
>>14757753
Yeah so you get all the newfags lv1 picking the hottest meme OP each time becasue they have the option for it
locking it is good becasue force you to actually play the game and learn the game so when you use a new op you have at least an idea on what is needed from it or how to play it more or less….
By your concept HOI3 is a shit game becasue the atomic bomb is locked behind progression
Same as tekken character locked behind finishing the game
2fb90d No.14759033
>>14759012
I wouldn't equate the DLC ops to something like an atom bomb in HOI, but you do have a point. It's like how there are fucktons of awful gibus wearing spies in TF2, cause it's the cool and unique class all the new players flock to without learning the ropes.
ec1ef3 No.14759052
>>14759012
Right cool but you're retarded. HOI is a singleplayer game, with technological research systems being a core gameplay feature.
And locking characters in a fighting game ISNT A good thing, particularly if you wanted to purchase a game to play with your friends. You're then forced to do shit you don't want to do just so you can play a character in multiplayer.
You aren't "Not Learning the game" if you're able to play everyone you stupid nigger.
>>14759033
The solution isnt preventing everyone from using difficult things though. Retards will be retards forever, making them wait to use something hard isnt going to un-retard them. It merely delays it.
2fb90d No.14759099
>>14759052
What part of getting to be familiar with a game do you not understand? I mean castle looks pretty good on paper, until you play the game and realize he is awful. Same with tachanka, or IQ. Likewise rook doesn't seem that great but he is. And map knowledge is a huge part of the game, which is something you just need to earn by playing. Is the concept of getting better at a game as you play foreign to you
ec1ef3 No.14759134
>>14759099
Are you deliberately misinterpreting me? Getting to be familiar with a game can be done just as effectively with all options available to you as it can being locked into babymode.
Locking features for an arbitrary amount of time does not teach people anything. If you're a mouthbreather who can't control themself and need the game to do it for you, you're beyond hope.
Also if you think Castle is an "Awful" op you really must have brain damage. There's a reason he's picked in Proleague. NEWSFLASH: His doors aren't meant to make the site impenetrable, they're to make long sightlines safe, encourage attackers to take dangerous routes, and to force the attackers to waste both time and gadgets dealing with them. He could do with some sort of boost, but he is no way a "bad" operator.
ca479e No.14759149
>>14759099
You won’t know a lot of things until you try them and it takes too long for the chance to try them. Practicing in game is better than learning from youtube. You have no explanation for why it is fair for some to have more gameplay content unlocked in a multiplayer game.
2fb90d No.14759162
>>14759134
Some ops require more knowledge than others. Playing as thatcher and having thermite long a wall is much easier than playing glaz and knowing all the sniping roosts or possible places for someone to try and peek you. And for example playing thermite is harder because it's far more important that you stay alive compared to sledge. Point being as you get more experienced you gain access to ops that require it. I don't really care if everyone had every op either way, but there is as much an argument for it as there is against.
And castle really is not good compared to virtually every other defender. The gadgets that can open his walls are expendable as hell and most can do it remotely, and abnormal barricade is just as effective for cutting sight lines because as soon as you open fire on it to open it you let everyone know you're there.
0f1c92 No.14759184
>>14759162
>Point being as you get more experienced you gain access to ops that require it. I
not him, but it doesnt matter. time played or even being average at the game will not make more ops viable for a person, only playing the game with the intent to learn and with those operators will help you. like you said, you will only learn where you get peeked as glaz by playing as glaz and dying to those spots
in gold you will have people still reinforcing walls next to your mira black mirror, and these are level 100+ people
5bc734 No.14759211
>>14758317
>community badges
>killcard
>custom patches on uniform
>voices and announcer
Soooo you want to make it like cod custom? Can’t wait to have big dicks, svastica, trump meme, and all that shit from edgy kids
Fuck that. Cosmetic is just a shit meme anyway
>>14759033
Ok fair enough, was the first example i could think off, something similar would then be maybe the gun locking of any FPS thought level….you have to play the game to get the supposedly best gun…or assassin creed brotherhood multi locking some skills or character skin till you reached a certain level online or unlocked it in singleplayer doing mission
>>14759052
>HOI
>any paradox game
>single player
Kekkum Maximus
But anyway, locking some character in the games obligate the player on finish it, therefor is good because you have to at least play it and good games lock shit on the difficulty you finish it so not gonna rush easy mod to have the best character think about tekken 3 they locked gon till you completed all the game till the end with all character, locked heiachi till you completed jin story or locked ogre till you completed heiachi story….
>I want the character unlock becasue I bought the game just to play with friends so I don’t have to play the game and fuck around online
Your opinion just got completely discharged
2fb90d No.14759213
>>14759184
You don't have to play as glaz to be spawnpeeked, and if you die to glaz using a sniper roost or just see one, you still don't have to be playing as him. The most effective way to learn about a strategy is to have it used against you.
But like you pointed out, some people just don't fucking learn.
ec1ef3 No.14759253
>>14759162
Right, and it's a given that certain ops take more knowledge/skill than others. This isnt in dispute. See >>14759184
The purpose of the castle barricade is to make that sight-line SAFE though. An example is Work office on Skyscraper (Though there are similar sites on other maps.). See my diagram.
Castle barricades that doorway to prevent attackers being to overwatch the entire hallway, providing cover for (In this example) mira to overwatch the site with a mirror. With a regular barricade it gets shot through, and the hallway is incredibly unsafe. Yes, the door isnt impenetrable, but thats why you have teammates covering it.
This is a semi-common strategy, but the point is you need to be creative with Castle. He needs a buff, but he is good at what he does, and does something nobody else can.
>>14759213
Fair point, but then being able to actually use and put into practice what you've learned requires access to Glaz. Im still unconvinced that locking anything makes any sort of difference other than to artificially increase the time between getting the game and being able to use every option available to you.
Yes, it's annoying to have an imbecile take, say, Mira, and fuck everything up. But you're also preventing people WITH brains, but who haven't played for that long from using things they can do well with.
>>14759211
So your argument is you NEED things locked to be able to be convinced to finish a game? Are you autistic?
>Your opinion just got completely discharged
Oh no an autistic nigger "discharged" my opinion. Whatever will i do? :'(
>>14759213
5bc734 No.14759299
>>14759253
Nice try putting word in my mouth faggot, but ain’t working… it’s morons like you that need to have it lock becasue you buy games to just play online with the cool friends. Can’t stand that some operator are locked so now is having an autistic fit
Gitgud and learn the game you mongoloid
ca479e No.14759307
>>14759299
Get goyd my friend. This isn’t a ubisoft executive meeting, your greed has no power. You would defend this game no matter what, merely because you do it for free.
ca479e No.14759321
>>14759309
You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.
2fb90d No.14759323
>>14759283
>plays dota
>posts le soylent maymay
>replies to those posts
I'm beginning to get a picture of where you came from. and where you should return
ca479e No.14759345
>>14759323
Memes imitate life, just look at the BO
aaf08a No.14759484
>>14759211
>Soooo you want to make it like cod custom? Can’t wait to have big dicks, svastica, trump meme, and all that shit from edgy kids
>edgy
ubishill detected, stop shilling this awful $60 F2P mmo
4880d7 No.14759836
>>14757796
Everytime a turk or some other shit start yapping, especially in their monkey language (like french) just remind them you only speak with humans
4880d7 No.14759940
>>14759099
>castle is awful
>iq is awful
Hello copper. Also, how is being able to play all ops impeding learning the game. Don't kid yourself, you want everyone to grind since you did.
4880d7 No.14759977
>>14759162
>Play thatcher to learn glaz spots!
>>14759299
>Wow, you just want to play the game instead running on an artificial treadmill!
4af7ea No.14759993
>>14759211
>Soooo you want to make it like cod custom?
Custom patches are less intrusive than those DLC uniforms and weapon skins released so far.
5bc734 No.14760048
>>14759309
>particularly if you wanted to purchase a game to play with your friends. You're then forced to do shit you don't want to do just so you can play a character in multiplayer
>you are forced to do shit you don’t want to
>you are forced to play a game so that’s bad
>>14759993
Yeah, in respect of IQ last shitty outfit or Blackbeard top hat I agree…still wouldn’t make sense that a semi realistic operator for rainbow universe would use a patch with a flying dragon dildo on his uniform…it’s like the less of the worst
>>14759484
>can’t argue the point
>spew a bunch of buzzword
Wew cuckchan is in full force
ca479e No.14760109
>>14760048
You bought the IQ gym outfit, no wonder you are so angry with regret
ec1ef3 No.14760186
>>14760048
Are you forgetting the fact you can already have bacon-themed weapon skins and fucking unicorn charms for your guns?
Also a game has many facets you stupid nigger. I dont want to be forced to go through a shitty singleplayer (Which most fighting game singleplayers are.) to unlock characters for the multiplayer component of a game, which is WHAT NEARLY EVERYONE FUCKING PLAYS IN A FIGHTING GAME.
efd11f No.14760517
>>14760109
>you bought the IQ outfit
>implying
Nice projection but this ain’t a cinema faggot
>>14760186
>i don’t want to play a singleplayer game becasue I want to play online
WEW
b5aca3 No.14760520
>>14760186
I don't even know why any fighting games have campaigns anymore anyway. Shooters obviously feel just fine leaving off some tacked on single player, and looking at the top meme games they do just fine without it. That said, I fucking wish siege had some real singleplayer, T-hunt is a joke and outbreak was mediocre.
58591f No.14760557
>>14760517
Iq has an asshole I might fuck, if you know what I mean
d64a71 No.14760572
Limiting the options of a newer player arbitrarily is retarded. If each character has abilities that present them with different options, then restricting new players to only some of those options puts them at an inherent disadvantage.
>>14759253
I feel that Castle would benefit from a buff to his walls, as of now, there's simply so many options that negate him entirely. It almost feels like you need another operator to setup Castle just for him to setup another op, like having a Jager magpie hidden nearby to prevent a grenade/ash charge from just removing it immediately. I like Castle, since he's similar to Mira in being able to shape the enviroment beyond just opening up walls, but I always feel like I'm being less of a benefit to the team than if I just picked Smoke or someone.
5c452e No.14760618
>>14760572
>ike having a Jager magpie hidden nearby to prevent a grenade/ash charge from just removing it immediately.
castle on 2nd floor or above windows with mute jammers is a strong denial method at least
b5aca3 No.14760630
>>14760618
unless glaz, sledge, or ash are on the opposing team, which is a strong possibility.
d64a71 No.14760634
>>14760630
I would extend that to anyone with a grenade, also.
b5aca3 No.14760637
>>14760634
Wasting a grenade on a door is generally not preferable though. I'd rather take the risk of sitting there smacking it than use a nade. I was just narrowing it down to ops that can get rid of the walls both fast and remotely.
5c452e No.14760656
>>14760630
they can break the window, but it will stop fuze from hitting those windows between that and the jammers, it's not foolproof but its better than just barricading a door
>>14760634
>>14760637
getting a grenade or EMP on the windowsill is possible but it does have a chance of failure compared to on the floor
ffc494 No.14766355
>>14760637
It's good in a tight spot.
b5aca3 No.14766388
I know the patch notes said LMG buff, but fuck me these are great now. Finka with her LMG is pure rape.
73688b No.14767728
>>14728273
Preparation Phase
Ubisoft is greedy, you must locate and execute a ubisoft executive.
3dba05 No.14772165
>>14766388
LMGs finally ahve a good niche.
ffc494 No.14775306
>>14772165
For now until another patch fucks them yes.
cd5ddd No.14784668
>>14778301
Or just play a better game.
b5aca3 No.14784695
>>14784668
Why would you come into this thread only to shit on the game, but not sage and thus bump it back from page fucking 12.
5c452e No.14790376
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
LINK IS FROM UBI OFFICIAL YOUTUBE
i dunno what's on the approved link list and even hooktube seems to be frowned on now but i'm not wasting my time making a webm of a short trailer. Any resident /k/ommandos identify that gun?
0ba238 No.14792826
>>14790376
>tfw you've been waiting for months for the new italian operators and one of them is a literal sandnigress
btw it's a CX4 Storm.
0555da No.14793109
>>14792826
>sandnigress
Anon I hate to do this to you but tans exist and aren't uncommon for people who live in the Mediterranean
On top of that in her official art she looks a lot whiter so it's probably just the lighting
631de7 No.14793126
>>14792826
italians aren't completely pale, look where the fuck italy is and think what their climate does to the body
dc87c5 No.14793244
Anyone else excited for the new map more than the operators? I'm glad were getting another house map, and the villa looks really stunning, way better than fucking theme park and tower aesthetic wise and gameplay wise. Both maps are giant as fuck and the layout are terrible, I'm glad Ubisoft didn't fuck up a third time and scaled it down to a villa. These lack of new maps though is infuriating, next season were getting the hereford base rework and other map changes so that's something I guess. But I rather have more map options than goijg back and reworking shit, but I guess you just can't have it both ways.
0ba238 No.14793260
55926b No.14793273
>>14793260
>Italian is a sandnigger migrant
I mean, it's not inaccurate.
c968d7 No.14793296
>>14793260
>implying Libia isn’t Italian clay
Fuck off
113f05 No.14793301
>>14793244
Smaller map just means less options for objective placements, spawn points and approaches to objectives. It's making the game easier.
149017 No.14793362
>>14793260
>Libyan
>called De Luca
So I guess her father is Italian and married a Libyan?
>>14793296
>Italian clay
>lost it against a bunch of English farm boys
61235a No.14793697
>>14793260
I mean jackal, the Spanish operator, is also a Muslim. Not very surprised.
5c452e No.14795620
>italian operators
>only one appears to be italian
pretty gay but whatever, jackal is a tusken raider despite being in the spanish set but at least he came out fun and cool
>>14792826
>btw it's a CX4 Storm.
at least the gun is italian, is she confirmed to be an attacker then? most of them don't get SMGs
5c452e No.14795633
>>14795620
> is she confirmed to be an attacker then?
ignore me i'm fucking retarded, i guess its double defenders this season
b16936 No.14795872
>>14793697
Jackal doesn't use suicide bomber tactics.
bcc0c5 No.14797428
>>14790376
I'm curious as to how her illusions will work. Will they be still, or can you 'roll' them like a Ying flash, making the image run? What's the downside if you shoot one, and is it bad enough to make attackers really hesitate in taking the shot? If yes, then I could see some mindgames where you intentionally position badly to convince an attacker that you're a hologram (such as standing still in the middle of a room).
5c452e No.14797442
>>14797428
>What's the downside if you shoot one
one leak says that shooting at the hologram will ping whoever shot it, dunno how accurate the ping will be, it could be like jackals or lion/cavs. If you can "roll" them with some canned movement animation i bet you could make people fire from reflex. I'd assume the "tell" would be it eventually runs into a wall or has no footstep sound
16209c No.14798628
>>14797442
I believe they will be pinged like Lion's ability, although no idea how the final product will be.
21be3f No.14800169
f1e1c0 No.14800536
>>14800520
So it looks like a thermal camera turret.
0ba238 No.14800543
>>14800520
Looks pretty cool. I hope the rumors are true and he gets a LMG.
cc9b9d No.14800559
>>14793697
That makes even less sense, people in spain heavily distrust muslims, even in the cities on africa, the police and army are all spaniards since muslims cannot be trusted.
f1e1c0 No.14800588
>>14800559
I think he's only half. He was born in Spain but his last name is al-hazzar.
5c452e No.14800770
>>14800520
I fucking knew they were gonna put a classical piece in his trailer. It's not indicative of much but its definitely one of the better operator teasers. I feel like he hadn't had a good once since hibana
126ead No.14800949
>>14728687
>>14728687
>paid shill
i don't know if you're larping or not.
But if you're not. You need to know this
This post you made was the push i needed to delete siege. you disgust me. Fucking kike.
f1e1c0 No.14802394
>>14800770
The music is a touch on the nose though.
5c452e No.14802465
>>14802394
Ave Maria is a bit cliche but it worked, they shoulda gone deeper and picked an italian composer though. Again though i'm not trying to decry it, it is the first fun teaser since hibana
19c9ac No.14808758
>>14800949
>buying rainbow-haired unisex shill to begin with
Anon…
3bbdec No.14812106
>>14800770
It's the laziest choice tbh.
869dc7 No.14820478
>>14800588
Sounds kebab to me.
5c452e No.14823707
>maestros cam functions as a bulletproof rotating cam anyone can use, only he can activate it's attack mode
>thatcher/twitch can only disable it temporarily, sledge and explosives will destroy it even with shield up, when it's in attack mode bullets will destroy it
they want to punish the attackers
3973e2 No.14824037
>having alibi on your team makes it so that getting marked doesn't reveal which operator you're playing if I understood right
I sure do love me some extra, purely positive passive abilities that require no setup, or skill to properly use!
b5aca3 No.14824142
>>14824037
Oh god, not more retarded passives.
5c452e No.14824202
>>14824142
>>14824037
it might only apply to window hops while alibi is on the field. Still an odd choice since it promotes window hopping in the first place
6cb654 No.14825213
I'm actually looking forward to Alibi, even though the "Prismas always look like base model" screams to me laziness on the part of Ubisoft rather than an attempt to balance.
>more stuff making valk redundant
ebin
>>14824037
>getting marked doesn't reveal which operator you're playing if I understood right
You didn't, the only thing it does is that if Alibi throws a decoy out a window and a defender jumps out, both are marked by "?". Nowhere on the level of lazy that Doki, Finka and Lion were.
ef9f60 No.14826860
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>>14800949
lol
>>14824142
Apparently outdoor defender identities are always disguised as long as Alibi is in the defending team. You can also throw a decoy outdoors which shows up as an icon on the attackers' HUD for 10 seconds. I think it would have been a better idea if the identity scramble for the defending team only applied once a decoy is thrown outside, not always.
>>14823707
After Finka, Lion, and Dokkaebi it was damn well time for the defenders to get thrown a bone.
>>14825213
>>more stuff making valk redundant
>ebin
I don't really think so. Maestro is more of a sidegrade who can place two very conspicuous indestructible cameras doubling as laser turrets, whereas Valk's three cams are much less conspicuous (if none of your teammates are spamming X like retards). Black Eyes also have greater placement flexibility, since you can even throw them outdoors, whereas Evil Eyes can only be placed like Magpies.
4f1973 No.14826878
>>14826860
I foresee maestro getting picked on bomb every time forever. They still both look fun though. Also why am LMG on defense? That seems broken as fuck, he's gonna be the next ela or something with that gun.
6cb654 No.14826885
>>14826860
The problem I have isn't just the Maestro steps on Valks toes, it's that now so many people do now that bulletproof cams are a thing. It's not so much that she's useless, but her niche keeps getting smaller. Discounting breaching charges, which I feel require so much setup that they don't count, the following attackers cannot destroy a Maestro cam if it's in it's shell.
>Thatcher (although he can temp disable it)
>Thermite
>Twitch (temp disable)
>Monty
>Glaz
>Fuze (cluster charge can, but similar problems as breach charge)
>Blitz
>Blackbeard
>Capitao
>Hibana (sorta, arguable)
>Jackal
>Ying
>Doki
>Lion
>Finka
Leaving:
>Ash
>Sledge
>IQ (if frags are taken)
>Buck (if frags are taken)
>Zofia
>Frag Recruit
I watched some gameplay, and several times there was a situation where the attackers could do nothing against a passive Eye. That just seems too good in the "intelligence gathering" aspect to me.
4378d7 No.14826895
>>14826878
Unless that LMG has the firerate of a p90 that's not gonna be an issue and you know it. The only reason ela's was busted was the no recoil, incredibly fast firing, and good damage. You take out the firerate and it becomes an okay gun
ef2205 No.14826906
3973e2 No.14826917
>>14826895
It's an MG3 clone, it's going to have a pretty fast ROF.
4f1973 No.14826947
>>14826895
>>14826917
Oh wait, maestro is apparently 3 armor so he won't be fast enough to wipe out whole teams by himself.
16209c No.14827047
>>14826947
I wouldn't say that. Watching the video another anon embedded, he looks quite overpowered.
>Nearly invincible camera
>rapid fire 5 hp gone per shot
>super fast firing lmg with little recoil? (watching from the video it looks like there is little. Might have been attachments but still.)
Top that up with being 3 armor and gets an acog… Imagine blowing a hole in garage door, running out and placing one of his evil eyes, and then going back in and reinforcing. Definitely gives you a lot of options. Although a lot of the time there will always be an ash on the team. But would she could really avoid being jewish and wasting one of her two breaching rounds on a little camera and its +10 points? I sure hope they adjust it a bit. Limited shots, slower firerate, maybe even less damage, or giving it more weaknesses.
So far very few people can destroy it, and frags won't always work well depending on its placement. The power of his gadget and possibly his weapons definitely makes him a powerful pick.
Alibi on the other hand… I mean its kind of clever that you can stand like one of your dummies and have people ignore you, but I don't know how that'll work out in the end. Lot of possible uses for it although I'm not sure how effective it will be in the end. If you drone ahead of you any fakes can be found pretty easily if there is no mute stopping your drone. It'll be pretty cool breaking open several windows, putting up a decoy, and breaking another window where you spawnpeak from.
>>14826885
>her niche keeps getting smaller
I agree. While she has a kind of useful gadget, you probably don't want to pick her unless you got some sneaky ideas where to place them and get kill or throwing them outside. And supposedly her gadget is powerful so she has a weak primary, perhaps it should be buffed a small bit to make her more on the level of the newer operators.
Its disappointing seeing where ubisoft is going. From simple car batteries and thermite charges to holograms, nanites, invincible cameras with unlimited lasers…. And then they fucking nerf operators like Twitch. Why in hell did they do that, I still don't understand it. Now in a match there are more gadgets then ever and ubisoft is too retarded to simply lower her damage so it doesn't get used to make defenders take 1 bullet less to die? I hate this garbage. I'm considering playing a bit when the update hits and using my saved up renown to buy both and try them out. Not going to be much fun until the nerfs hit. I sure hope it happens faster then how long it took the garbage dump that is Ela.
4f1973 No.14827125
>>14827047
I agreenthat the theming has really gone out the fucking window, considering sledge has a fucking shillelagh and finka has nanites, but these ops seem to be pretty balanced to me. Alibi is good because if you get marked it's your fault, like a kap trap, and like you said they aren't so convincing that she'll be able to nab every defender who looks her way. Maestro isn't so bad considering the new bulletproof camera gadgets. He basically gets two of those that can swivel, because as soon as you fire they are now vulnerable to regular gun fire. I can't imagine many people are gonna lose more than 15 health to the evil eyes unless they're planting a defuser or are legendarily unobservant.
eeac55 No.14827164
Alibi seems kinda OP, most fights end in less than a second after seeing someone but now were going to have to second guess every time we see somebody? Great.
I dont really see even IQ being that good against her since you just know its a decoy but alibi might be standing right ontop of the decoy device and then she will just dome you because you think its safe.
And thatcher doesnt even destroy them? Wew, like I'd want to waste my EMP's on those things even if it did since if you allready saw it theres a good chance you're either dead or can just shoot it, cant afford to go on wild goose chases with the EMP's but they dont even fucking destroy them wew.
6cb654 No.14827174
>>14827125
>Alibi is good because if you get marked it's your fault, like a kap trap
The issue I see with Alibi, at least from a game design perspective, is that she punishes/destabilizes part of the core gameplay. With the TTK in siege being so low, possibly instant even at a distance, taking the time to ID a target isn't really an option most of the time. Kapkan and Frost both work well as characters because they are almost entirely nullified if the attackers practice proper information gathering, which is why pressuring the attackers and denying them that info is important. But with these clones, I can't help but feel unless you just droned it, you have no choice but to fire on it because the cost of being wrong is so high.
>because as soon as you fire they are now vulnerable to regular gun fire.
I consider the laser a bonus, kind of how Doki's camera hack wasn't really as big of a deal as her phonecall.
>>14827164
>And thatcher doesnt even destroy them?
I think someone at Ubisoft hates Thatcher even more than Valk.
3973e2 No.14827177
>>14827164
This latest bullshit trend of "Oh Thatcher disables them temporarily" is the most infuriating thing in the fucking game. I mean, if the fucking EMP takes out a car battery or mute jammer, or a slew of other placed abilities, why does new shit get a special pass?
4f1973 No.14827184
>>14827174
Anything that encourages attackers to drone out and go slow instead of rushing is good in my opinion.
>>14827177
I could excuse yokai not being destroyed cause you only get one, and the cams sort of as well, but the clones should definitely be destroyed considering you get three and they are meant to be disposable.
16209c No.14828994
>>14827164
The decoy's can only represent default alibi, so if you see any other attackers you're free to open fire.
Although, still I agree with what >>14827174 said with that she punishes and destabilizes core gameplay, along with making thatcher more useless. I could understand Thatcher not being able to destroy the Evil Eyes because they are hardened towards emp attacks, similarly with bullet proof cameras, but alibi's tools should be able to get destroyed at least. And for the evil eyes, I think that them being disabled for 30s by thatcher would be good. Plenty of time to plant a defuser or something.
3973e2 No.14829097
>>14828994
>if you see any other attackers
I mean, if I see a human shape that's not a teammate, I fire at it, you don't really realize who you're shooting at before you do it 99% of the time. Especially if they're in the dark, a long distance away, or peeking through a tiny murder hole.
5fb77d No.14829172
So who do you think will see an uptick in their pick rate? I'm thinking twitch will make a comeback, especially if the evil eye can be teased then destroyed with her drone. I can also see Glaz getting chosen more if that spawn peek strategy becomes prevalent. I wonder if explosive damage to the evil eye must be direct damage though. Can it take a hit from a frag or fuze's hockey pucks?
b5aca3 No.14829191
>>14829097
You're just gonna have to drone out more now.
16209c No.14829205
>>14829172
Glaz yes, IQ maybe, Twitch will probably just be the same. Her nerf hit her pretty hard. For IQ using her gadget isn't the best, especially since at longer ranges its useless to tell whether something is a decoy or not.
b5aca3 No.14829207
>>14829172
>I wonder if explosive damage to the evil eye must be direct damage though. Can it take a hit from a frag or fuze's hockey pucks?
pretty sure any explosive damage destroys it. Definitely fuze will, frag maybe not.
5c452e No.14829760
>>14825213
>"Prismas always look like base model"
I don't think most players would be smart enough to check if the gun has attachments on it or not, I'm looking forward to the day some idiot tries to stand in the same room as their holograms while wearing some clown suit though
>>more stuff making valk redundant
valk can still put cams outside and on ceilings, I don't think the new bulletproof cam and evil eye will weaken her at all, if anything I think it will supplement her since they seem to be going for filling the map with cameras to give defenders an edge and slow down rushers
>>14826860
>After Finka, Lion, and Dokkaebi it was damn well time for the defenders to get thrown a bone.
I don't disagree
>>14826878
how broken the SMG depends on how fast he is, Ela was broken out the gate because she got a low recoil, 50 round magazine with fast reload, and was three speed whereas the only other defenders who had that much ammo were 1speed operators at the time
>>14829172
> I'm thinking twitch will make a comeback
Maybe if they didn't gut her in the most retarded way possible
5f11db No.14833775
>quick peaking removed
Life is suffering
5c452e No.14833793
>>14833775
what do you mean?
ef9f60 No.14833818
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/game-info/seasons/parabellum/index.aspx
Alibi
>Primary: Mx4 Storm SMG, ACS12 Automatic Shotgun
>Secondary: KERATOS .357 Pistol, Bailiff 410 Pistol (The Judge?)
>Gadgets: Impacts, Shields
>3 Speed
>“Never reveal the cards you were dealt.” –Alibi
Alibi was born in Tripoli, Libya and immigrated with her family when she was three years old. Her father managed a small ordnance manufacturer, using his contacts to open up exports. She earned her understanding of Italian firearms through the family business and training on the shooting range. At 18, Alibi entered the European Championships, and won gold in two divisions. Following the event, a Carabinieri recruiter convinced her to join the police force.
>Alibi’s precision shooting skills shot her up the ranks, and she served for a time with the elite Raggruppamento Operativo Speciale in fighting organized crime. She eventually earned a spot in the Gruppo Intervento Speciale (G.I.S.), and following a successful operation in Afghanistan despite being separated from her unit, she was singled out for undercover work in organized crime. She infiltrated the Vinciguerra Crime Family and spent several years among them before bringing them down from the inside.
>GADGET: PRISMA
>Prisma projects holograms identical to Alibi in an idle position. If you shoot or touch the holograms, you’ll be marked and pinged for the next few seconds. If Prisma is deployed outside, a false “Defender Outside” warning is triggered for Attackers. To add an element of surprise, Prisma conceals the identity of any Defender who ventures outside. Any bullet, melee, or explosives damages Prisma, and will shoot through the hologram. Be careful not to stand too close.
MAESTRO
>Primary: ALDA 5.56 LMG, ACS12 Automatic Shotgun
>Secondary: KERATOS .357 Pistol, Bailiff 410 Pistol
>Gadgets: Barbed Wire, Shields
>1 speed
>“Did I ever tell you about the time we tree-jumped into the Congo Swamp at night? No? Oh, it’s a good one–” -–Maestro
>Maestro is oldest in a family of eight children. He grew up in Rome, but attended the Military Academy of Modena at 18. He then joined the Carabinieri and earned a spot as an Explorer Paratrooper in the 1st Paratrooper Regiment known as Tuscania. After several distinguished tours, Maestro qualified for Gruppo di Intervento Speciale (G.I.S.) and participated in joint operations in Iraq, earning a facial scar from a roadside IED. He went into private consultation where his courses quickly became a top-rated operator boot camp for teaching advanced techniques to Tier 3 and Tier 2 units, as well as private military companies. The Tuscania eventually convinced Maestro to re-enlist to help upgrade one of their units to a Tier 2 Special Forces classification, and this enabled him to join Rainbow as a representative of the Italian Units.
>GADGET: EVIL EYE
>Maestro uses a remote-controlled turret firing high-energy laser beams. Once affixed to the floor or wall, Maestro can remote-surveil and provide overwatch in a location through the swivel-mounted camera. When the camera device breaks open to fire a laser beam the core is exposed to damage. Otherwise, the turret is unaffected by bullets and melee. Lastly, Evil Eye can see through smoke.
finally some normal backstories for once
5c452e No.14833835
>>14833818
>Bailiff 410 Pistol (The Judge?)
definitely. the play on words is obvious and i don't think they've shelled out any weapon-name royalties for siege anyway
55926b No.14833841
>Maestro's LMG is a CETME
>Sidearm is a Mateba
neat
ef9f60 No.14833849
>>14833818
Club House Map Buff
>Our Level Artists and Designers were asked, three years later, to revisit Clubhouse and bring it to new heights. They were pumped to step up to the plate, now armed with years of know-how and a series of advanced tools. Their mission was to improve the course of the map by fixing what forced Defenders into high-risk low-reward situations.
>First, our Designers added a connector between the bedroom and the cash room to open up the flow of the map. Defenders can now move between buildings on the second floor without being forced to go outside. The objective locations were also targeted for balancing. The Designers added a staircase in the garage, subdivided the bar, added a bathroom to sneak past the bar, and removed some hatches on the rooftop so that players could circulate more freely.
>Second, Designers monitored closely how the community adopted the map through the years with the arrival of new gadgets. It was essential to examine how players actually used the map to make sure it still “felt” like clubhouse when buffed. Our Designers wanted to honor the players’ progress and investments. Plus, it made them see their creations anew. For instance, when a Level Artist created a new staircase in the basement, a Level Designer mentioned that the community nicknamed the area “Blue Room.” The Artist played up the reference, adorning the wall with a navy banner and planted blue flares on the path that led to the staircase.
>Lastly, the map buff was the perfect opportunity for the Artists to polish their initial work from three years ago; a rare treat. They reworked textures, diversified materials, dramatized the skydome, added lighting, and infused the map with the presence of unseen bikers.
Operator Balancing
>ECHO
<Now has 2 Yokai Drones
<Max charges per Yokai drone reduced from 3 to 2
<Recharge time between drone shots increased to 20 seconds
>Operator Speed
<3 speed ops slightly slower
<1 speed ops slightly faster
<small increase to movement speed with handguns out (automatic sidearms excluded)
>Pick and Ban
<First announced at the Six Invitational, Pick and Ban will be revolutionizing the selection process of Operators. We are first introducing Pick and Ban into custom game options with the launch of Year 3 Season 2, and it will be a highlighted feature during the following Pro League season.
>Bulletproof Camera
<The Bulletproof Camera is a secondary gadget that will be given to the following six Defenders.
• Frost – Bulletproof Camera instead of Deployable Shield.
• Doc – Bulletproof Camera instead of Deployable Shield.
• Mute – Bulletproof Camera instead of Deployable Shield.
• Castle – Bulletproof Camera instead of Deployable Shield.
• Caveira – Bulletproof Camera instead of Barbed Wire.
• Vigil – Bulletproof Camera instead of Barbed Wire.
>Counter Defuser
<Starting with Year 3 Season 2, Defenders will use a hacking device instead of a melee animation to disable the Defuser. We wanted to improve the visual and audio feedback with this new animation to provide more clarity when a Defender is interacting with the Defuser. It is important to note that the interaction distance and conditions will remain the same.
>Observation Tool
<Right now, players need to perform multiple actions to reach the drone or camera they want to use – especially if they want to switch between two active observation tools (i.e. if Twitch wants to swap between piloting her first and second drone). As such, we have overhauled the Observation Tool system, with a new UI, and granting players better control over how they switch from camera to camera.
>Leaning
<We have adjusted the player experience when leaning from one side to the other. A method could be used to shift from one side to the other more quickly than intended by using a combination of keys. You will now switch smoothly from left to right, and vice versa, without the need to utilize additional key presses.
and a bunch of bug fixes
5c452e No.14833860
>>14833849
>You will now switch smoothly from left to right, and vice versa, without the need to utilize additional key presses.
What did they mean by this? I never had any issues with the lean before
c45669 No.14833875
>>14833841
It's not, just a shitty Chiappa Rhino.
3973e2 No.14833884
>>14833860
I think that's a console thing. They need to hold down the ADS trigger and then smash in the thumbsticks to lean, it's an absolutely retarded system.
5c452e No.14833890
>>14833884
that does sound unpleasant but playing siege on console is probably overall unpleasant
3973e2 No.14833892
>>14833890
Playing Siege in general these days is overall unpleasant.
5dc151 No.14833893
>>14833818
>>14833860
It's when people press Q and E really fast around corners so that they can get a peekers advantage on the enemy team. With this in guessing that isn't feadtabke anymore, which is fine by me. Less reflex based and more focusing on stragety aspects.
>>14833849
I'm actually excited for this season, ever since operation health map, operator, and balance quality has gone out of the window and with this new season, it reminds me of the older dlc season. Both operator gadgets doesn't sound as annoying as the recent operators, the villa map looks beautiful and fun to play, and the little balances are welcome to see. But Ubisoft will probably fuck it up all over again in a later patch.
5c452e No.14833904
>>14833893
>But Ubisoft will probably fuck it up all over again in a later patch.
I'm expecting another limited time event with how they've described the season 3 guys as some special 'scotland yard" types
3973e2 No.14833908
>>14833904
>scotland yard
Here comes the "bin da noif, get a loif" event.
5dc151 No.14833935
>>14833904
I doubt they'll do that again, a lot of people were rightfully pissed at the game mode because
1. It was clearly a money grab to sell the limited outbreak packs
2. The gamemode got stale as fuck after a couple of plays
3.Being limited time event means it went all to waste and Ubisoft said it's never coming back
4. everyone rather would have new operators with a new map than some tacked on gamemode with no variety
Even the regular Ubisoft dick suckers disliked the event, sure it made them a lot of money but I don't think Ubisoft is that stupid to try it again. But we'll see, it's not like a company greed hasn't blinded them before from making stupid business practices
5c452e No.14833947
>>14833908
the real scotland yard does have a special tactics team which if based of off them could actually be cool and interesting
>>14833935
>4. everyone rather would have new operators with a new map than some tacked on gamemode with no variety
agreed, the outbreak gametype wasn't completely terrible but with only 3 maps or whatever it got stale after you beat it once or twice
7b0c0a No.14838232
Am I the only one who only enjoy terrorist hunt? I'm too casual for PvP.
5c452e No.14839046
>>14838232
gets tired fast since the AI is really dumb