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What, the first one, or the second one released as the first in english? People enjoyed the first two since they were really fucking early PS1 games, the first KF was a launch title in Japan. I don't think anyone cared for King's Field 3 since it was kind of shit and still looked like shit when better looking games were coming out for the PS1.

If that's the screenshot of what you're currently playing, you've started with the wrong one, that's King's Field II. I supposed you really started with the right one, since it's the best, but there's a game prior to it that was JP-exclusive.

Totally decent console dungeon crawlers that managed to push forward some new concepts in every game despite the fact that they shat three of them out in a year and a half. Personally preferred II to any of the others, although maybe IV would come after that. I've only played them once apiece and don't really intend to go back at any point, although I think I've played Shadow Tower Abyss three times at this point.

Amazing series I'd love to play again.

The fourth one, released as Kings Field: The Ancient City, in the US, was amazing.

>>14715823

I guess I should have made it clear, it is the second one I am playing.

>>14715856

Just FYI, there are at least 2 endings.

King's Field II > King's field I

I will get around to playing KFIII eventually. KFI seems more labyrinthine and obtuse than the second game, which is saying something, given that the second game is pretty fucking obtuse. Sucks that you have to abuse saves to get the ML sword after the final boss. I mostly enjoyed the games, but they could've used a bit more polish in places.

King's Field V never ever

>>14715867

I wouldn't say never. I was commenting to a friend the other day that VR seems like an opportunity to reboot the genre.

>>14715877

If anything, I expect the community to take the reigns an release custom levels/games/dungeons for Sword of Moonlight. Apparently, some guy bought the license to the engine and is working on rebuilding it and releasing it as a free to use and open source product, or something like that.

You can find more info here:

http://www.swordofmoonlight.net/

>>14715901

Ok, this is super good news. Definitely looking into this!!

>>14715940

No.

Does this game emulate well? I feel like if I tried to buy it for my physical PS it'd cost me a fortune like FF7 did.

>>14715997

They emulate just fine. There's an English translation of KFI floating around out there, you can even find them pre-patched, and they work with PCSXR and ePSXe. I don't know if KFIII has an english version/patch, but honestly I don't mind playing in Japanese.

>>14716006

Well from what I've seen thus far, it doesn't seem like reading comes into play much, does it?

>>14716020

Eh, there are some characters you can find who offer a bit of dialogue, but interacting with them is mostly optional. I'm pretty sure you can figure out what you need to do without talking with anyone, but if you avoid conversation, you may miss out on some things.

As far as I can recall, there aren't any riddles or anything like that which would require you to infer some message from the dialogue/writing.

>>14715940

>Will this game give me a soulslike experience?

Only that sword.

>>14716054

>being an emulation nigger

>>14715867

Kings Field 2 is probably the bet of the lot.

>>14716112

>Buying

>Collectionigger

Fuckoff kike

>>14716181

Ok, for reference tell me if I'm correct here:

KF1 didn't come to the US

KF2 is what we know as KF1 in the US

KF3 is what we know as KF2 in the US, correct?

>>14716184

Yeah, they skipped the first one, the game itself is about 30mb big.

>>14716184

King's Field I = Japanese release only

King's Field II = International release, is referred to as 'King's Field' in the West

King's Field III = King's field II in the West

King's Field: Ancient City = KFIV

King's Field V never ever

>>14716200

King's Field Additional I and II = games nobody cared enough to translate

Eternal Ring = engine test for King's Field IV

>>14716212

And of course, in 2000 FromSoftware released Sword of Moonlight only in Japan and then abandoned it like two years later. It's basically a full King's Field game engine for Windows that can be used to create your own custom game. Hopefully it sees a revival.

I thought the mechanic with the crystal flasks and turning on the different fountains was really cool from the second game.

The estus flasks from the souls games always felt a bit like an homage to that.

>>14716258

Yeah, just download one of the beetle psx cores in retroarch (the normal one is more optimized than hardware), stuff the bios in the system folder, flick on the overclock function in Quick Menu→Options after loading the game and you're good to go.

>>14715807

In my top ten games of all time. It is looking very dated I am sure by now, but I bet the OST and ambience holds up just fine. Not enough games have secrets behind walls that can kill you for trying to find treasure, then have a skeleton pop out of the treasure when you actually find one. Sens Fortress in DS1 is as close to King's Field as we will get to kings field feels these days.

>>14716216

>buying overpriced used games

>posting that image

Work on your reading comprehension collectorkike.

Should be also said if you like these games, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower, Shadow Tower Abyss are similar.

>>14715807

I played a bit of the first one ten years ago, but I stopped because I couldn't take the absolutely fucking abysmal turn speed. I keep thinking about trying it again, but I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to tolerate that.

>>14715997

>I feel like if I tried to buy it for my physical PS it'd cost me a fortune like FF7 did.

>Final Fantasy VII.

>Costing a fortune.

Where the fuck do you live that that's the case? I mean, I don't exactly consider $20 super cheap or anything, but I used to see FFVII for $45 or so. Anyhow, last I recall seeing King's Field I (2) and II (3) locally they were about $25, maybe $30 each. Still not exactly cheap and I know price might be relative to where one lives, but there are far worse priced PS1 games out there, even amongst games that sold well enough to achieve a Greatest Hits print (for example, started seeing the likes of Symphony of the Night and Xenogears marked for $60 around where I live lately).

>>14716200

>>14716212

Also, while not exactly King's Field, Shadow Tower and ST: Abyss. Former came west, while SCEA forced Agetec to shitcan the latter when they were almost done translating it (because of graphical standards they wanted to push in NA at the time and claiming a lack of audience for those sort of games anymore; think the latter bit them in the ass when they refused to handle Demon's Souls themselves and Atlus instead got to make profit on it). Though, Abyss has been fan translated since then.

I remember playing KF1 JP. Take a guess at where I stopped playing.

only played 2 and 3. You start to get a lot more comfortable with the movement when you use the shoulder buttons to strafe in combination to your regular movement. Helps give you a bit more speed when turning.

One of the more annoying things that 3 introduced was hidden traps in the walls, essentially punishing you for searching for secret areas.

>>14716212

Additional 1 and 2 are wizardry clone rather than first person action games

I made it to the termite nest where that kid is apparently gone. I made it to the termite queen but I got killed by her by getting too cocky, thinking I could attack her more than once per time I ran up to her.

>>14715807

Never played that series but I'm interested to see what its like after some work mates explained its basically the same RPG that Fromsoft have been making for the last 20 years (souls series) But retarded Fromsoft keeps selling the name of the game to who ever is publishing the game at that moment so they have to keep changing it.

>>14715997

KF1 has a PC version, try that.

>>14715807

I've been wanting to try out these games. Just haven't been getting around to it. I think the fourth one for PS2 looks the best of these games. They look so odd in their design which is why I think it caught my interest for awhile here.

I would love to hear the key developers thoughts on why they created these games to be so unconventional in their design.

>>14719692

>First-person melee/bow/xbow/magic with tank controls

It doesn't have tank controls

None of the King's Field games have tank controls.

>>14716225

If only they did such a thing for their numerous jankshows of video games. There really is some high quality stuff done with Moonlight. It kind of plays like ass keyboard and mouse but accepts controllers.

>>14719663

they were inspired by ultima underworld which was very popular in japan.

>>14719901

That faggot has obviously never played a full on tank video game, just consider them a faggot and forget about them.

Is the PS2 Shadow Tower any good? Should I give it a try? What about that Eternal Ring game?

>>14721307

Eternal Ring is OK. Really KF-like, but kinda bland in some places . Still, you should play it if you get the chance

>>14721321

I'm deciding between Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower Abyss. Which do you think I should start with?

People should try out some of the Sword of Moonlight games people have made, Moratheia, Diadem of Maunstraut, Heir of Granatyki

They're pretty good.

I am saddened that KF is basically dead at this point. It had some excellent exploration and atmosphere. It didn't need an over the top story, character drama, or cute girls. Just a dark, dangerous world.

I'm sure if it did get a revival, it would be a shallow husk of what it used to be, so maybe its better off dead.

>>14721383

Eternal ring is REALLY short. besides, the magic system is fun. Haven't played shadow tower.

>>14722545

if you treat every videogame as something you must go through in the least amount of time possible then every game is REALLY short

>ctrl-f

>evergrace not mentioned once

NIGGER

>>14722888

why the fuck would anyone mention it in a kings field thread?

>>14721383

Eternal ring is really barebones because they were experimenting with the engine at the time. Evergrace was their late PS1 title turned launch PS2 title probably from Sony. Shadow Tower Abyss is one of their proper games, so I would recommend that instead. Fair warning though, expect the game to be really slow at parts, because there's no running mechanic in Shadow Tower Abyss nor it's prequel, Shadow Tower.

>Sword of Moonlight EX

So that guy, who's been at it for over several years now, manages to buy the license officially, and making a supposed improvement to the system? How the hell does that work, I thought you couldn't buy licenses for games if the company still exists right?

>>14716216

>Emulated version

>inferior version

Only if you're an autistic mess

>>14715867

Why do you have to abuse saves?

Guyra will chuck you up onto his back with that neck move fairly regularly and you can just run and grab it. Then just die since the game gives you a respawning mechanic (Either via dragon crystals or via pendant/figures of seath)

Is Arx Fatalis similar to King's field? I was wondering what to play once I finish king's field, that or king's field 4.

>>14721307

Eternal Ring is alright. The magic system is robust, but the game is a little short and weak. Shadow Tower Abyss is amazing, but it's a hard son of a bitch. No other game I know lets me have a magical tsukubo and an RPK while wearing lamellar armor with Chuck Taylors.

>>14730432

>Is Arx Fatalis similar to King's field?

Not that you mention it, yes, the premise is very similar.

>>14731571

No, its a really solid game, it just doesn't spring the nostalgia boner quite as hard.

>>14730432

Sort of, not really. It's a very, very good game you should play, but it's probably not going to scratch that KF itch outside of the setting.

>>14731716

All I wanted to hear. Thanks anon.

>>14731571

It's about the same as the others, really.

The last boss was just really, really bad.

>>14732034

I'm actually super surprised this isn't available via PSN on the PS4.

>>14730432

Not really. It's an immersive sim that sort of takes directly after Ultima Underworld, although King's Field arguably took after Ultima Underworld too so there's that.

>>14731571

>turnspeed cut in half

Why would you do this, FROM

>>14740283

I think the running speed in KF4 is slightly slower than the walking speed in the other games

>>14732034

>>14732114

PS2 on PS4 is still pretty limited in selection. And for the prior PS1 titles, the PS4 has no PS1 store for whatever reason (though from the look of things there's no King's Field on the US PSN anyhow).

>>14740337

>Japanese giving a fuck about anything old

Japanese PSN actually does have King's Field I, II, and III as PS1 for PSP/PS3/Vita, and Additional I and II for PSP and Vita. No King's Field IV though.

i played the entire kingsfield line 1JP, 2 (1), 3 (2), and Ancient City (4), i've also played evergrace, eternal rings, and both Shadow Tower games. However, i never went past the first area in KF2 (1), because of emulation speeding issues.

and i also skipped Evergrace 2 (Forever Kingdom) because it was even more awful than evergrace, those two games were terrible and the worst of the bunch. KF4 and shadow tower 1 and 2 remain my favorite of those kinds of games.

I was looking for something new to play, maybe I'll give this series a go.

>>14722545

Eternal Ring's magic system is held back by ring cooldowns. Not just casting, but switching to a ring means you have to wait and predictably this time increases the higher the level of the ring. This also has the effect of causing support-type rings to lose value as the cost of waiting to cast anything is better spent on offense and your defensive options should be to just circle strafe.

I like the idea of the ring fusions. But Eternal Ring doesn't encourage experimentation of rings as much as it should.

>>14741458

I found Evergrace to be bland but had some saving graces about it. Forever Kingdom was much more enjoyable, but very weird. The ost is really out there.

>>14715807

>Was it bad?

its shit and aged like dyaherra

>>14742688

Yer mums diarrhea

>>14742649

>That was just an extra layer of the stamina bar

It doesn't function the same way. You shouldn't punish the player for changing equipment, you should limit their ability to spam an attack which is handled by the second half of the cooldown sequence (after a cast) as well as MP costs.

I can understand if they are feeling things out how to handle that kind of system it's just not a good feel and the ring cooldowns were already long enough when you stepped into the 3rd level magic spells.

>>14741427

The Japanese PSN has a lot of the better games, good luck to any faggot with Sony products that doesn't know Japanese or doesn't have their console hacked to get them for free.

>>14720343

>Buying equipment in KF1

Every piece of equipment available in the shops aside from the Moon Shield can be found. The only things you need to spend gold on are the gold and silver keys.

So is the general consensus to skip the first and play kings field 2, then go from there?

>>14752251

Skip the KFs and only play the Shadow Towers.