949e34 No.14703696
Any of you guys familiar with the development of the Ninja Gaiden games?
It seemed like Tecmo put Hayashi in charge to purposefully ruin the work of Itagaki. The Sigma games and the original version of Ninja Gaiden 3 are absolutely inferior to Itagaki's games. Many of the design decisions they made do not even make any sense unless there was purposeful self sabotage of their own franchise going on. They even made a really cringe spin off called Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z. And you guessed it, Hayashi was also involved with this terrible game.
Itagaki was owed royalties for his work that Tecmo did not want to pay him. So if any of you guys are interested in the series just make sure you stick to the Xbox versions, Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2. Avoid Hayashi's shit at all costs.
feb1cf No.14703707
>>14703696
Hmm i always wondered why those games became easier and easier after NG2. I guess i have my reason now.
7914e4 No.14704111
Hayashi always wanted the NG games to be more cinematic and story driven but the Sigma games seemed to streamline or slightly improve (sometimes disprove) the original versions. When he was given full control with NG3, he created the type of NG game he wanted. A story driven action game with a mediocre, predictable story and bad gameplay full of quick time events. The game might as well been God of War. Even worse, NG3 is the nuGoW of the NG series.
After the bad sales, they realized that people loved the series for what it used to be. So they strapped NG2 onto the content of NG3. It "almost" worked too since the gameplay was spot on. However many of the bosses, stages, and enemies in NG3 just aren't fun or interesting. They had to add a ton of older enemies and bosses to make up for the lack of new content and there aren't even any new weapons for you to use. If Itagaki was still with them, NG3 would have most likely been very good.
9fd9b8 No.14704126
>>14703696
I remembered some anon having an autistic spreadsheet, some of it is pretty good. I recall that autist mentioning that Ninja Gaiden Sigma is better than black, but 2 is better than sigma 2.
f7c60e No.14704227
I'm more perplexed than aggravated with how this game only got worse as it went. The first game had such a good formula, gameplay, everything really. About the only thing they needed to refine in the sequel was the platforming and checkpoints… but instead the series missed all the good things about the first game and instead took it into a direction where you were just fighting hoards of annoying enemies fluffed with artificial difficulty.
In some ways I'm sad we'll never get another game as good as black/sigma, but in others I'm just thankful they got almost all of it right with the first game.
17df5b No.14704267
Why the fuck did they remove those optional challenge sections on Sigma 2? Those were a lot of fun
d5dcfd No.14704299
Itagaki is a talentless hack. Look how shitty Devil's Turd turned out to be.
f7c60e No.14704328
>>14704299
Have you played it or just watched footage? I watched a lot of footage on it and it did look like shit… because everyone who got a copy was shit at videogames. Almost all the reviewers I saw try and play it played it like a cover based shooter. Later I watched somebody who actually played action games give it a go and it looked pretty darn good and more in line with action games than cover based shooters..
but I don't really know first hand as I was never able to track down a physical copy and Nintendo's sales are like an urban legend.
c4d88a No.14704395
>>14704328
>Almost all the reviewers I saw try and play it played it like a cover based shooter
Thats because it is one complete with chest high walls and regenerating health.
c70630 No.14704442
Are there any games similar to the NES NG games?
I haven't played the remakes, what do they play like?
Is it Ninja Guy-den or Ninja Gay-den?
fdbcba No.14704454
>>14703696
Ninja Gaiden 3 was Team Ninja trying to appeal to a western market by basically making the Ninja equivalent of military shooters right down to washed out colors, edgy story, gritty third world-country locales, lowered difficulty, a bigger focus on a cinematic experience and fucking competitive multiplayer.
Sigma were supposedly shit because of the PS3's limitations compared to the Xbox, but there's no fucking excuse for the original 3.
d7f397 No.14704457
>>14704442
>Are there any games similar to the NES NG games?
Pirate the Strider game, it's pretty much the closest you'll get for a 2D sidescrolling Ninja Gaiden game
>I haven't played the remakes, what do they play like?
It's a mixed bag after Ninja Gaiden 1 for the Xbox. And refer it to whatever you want, my friend calls it Shinobi Homo.
c70630 No.14704466
>>14704457
I like strider but the difficulty is off.
d7f397 No.14704475
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14704466
If your referring to the 2014 game, there's others, but their gameplay can't really compare to NG.
c70630 No.14704487
>>14704475
I was talking about the Arcade game and the PSX one too.
And Osman.
f061ea No.14704690
>>14704267
because they were boring and low effort. if I hadn't been going for the achievements, I would have skipped them entirely because of how fucking stupid they were.
>let's make the player fight 100 of the same enemy for 5 minutes hurr hurr
Sigma 2 was a better overall package, even if they gimped the gore. Sigma is worse than Black because of the additional Rachel sections, but otherwise not too much worse.
>>14704299
>Itagaki is a talentless hack
I'll check those dubs
f0d50f No.14704745
I enjoy 3RE (for the combat trials) but Sigma 1 and 2 are pretty meh. Still want to see Itagaki make something again hopefully it not being stuck in development hell would make it not disappointing. Team Ninja is still fine for the most part since they gave us Nioh so they still know how to make good games.
>>14704475
Still gotta give the 2014 one a try, messed with the demo when it came out and remember it being alright.
682db2 No.14705072
>>14704126
this is gonna save me a lot of time whenever some retard thinks it's fine to just emulate sigma instead of playing black/NG with DLC.
3857a8 No.14705266
>>14704299
Story was mediocre but the multiplayer was pretty damn fun. It's a shame it was stuck on a dying console and we never got the PC release for multiplayer. They could definitely make a F2P PC version to make a good buck.
e93d4c No.14705273
OP is an utter fag, meanwhile :
>>14704454
Truth. NG3 came at a time where half of Team Ninja splot and the merger of Koei and Tecmo was finalised so Hayashi made the decision to go back to the NES roots of Ninja Gaiden that manifested via the "westernization" of the series as even he himself put it. Thing is, when they saw what happened, they issued public apologies and made NG3RE and decided to honour the series' roots by adding the WiiU as a platform.
Sigma was shit because they had to recreate NG1 from scratch using the new engine they had conceived for NG2 Sigma but unlike NG2, the team half-knew what was going on with NG1 and had to reverse engineer a lot of shit since Microsoft were dicks and didn't give them even their code for the original XBOX game as it belonged to them since Itagaki had signed a contract that allowed Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 to use a cutting edge proprietary engine that Microsoft had created for the XBOX family of games and hence also the exclusivity of NG1 and NG2 forever and ever. It's not so much limitations, it's they had to go blind and redo the whole thing on a new engine and on a new system.
>>14704299
>dubs of truth
017388 No.14705764
>>14704745
Will Itagaki ever make a game again? Where is he now?
acd3cf No.14705788
79f9f0 No.14705873
>>14704442
Gaiden is pronounced like gaijin, same syllable.
Closest I've found recently is Oniken, which is a surprisingly decent indie game. They really went the extra effort to make it look, play, and sound like an NES game.
I actually didn't mind the parts in Ninja Gaiden where the girls were playable. They weren't as polished as the main sections with Ryu, but that's the be expected since they were literally after-thoughts.
What if Ninja Gaiden was reborn as a DOA all-starts style action game. Plays the same, but at the beginning of a level you pick a team of three ninja ladies, each one using a particular weapon and style, and you can swap between them on the fly like a tag battle system. Maybe give them different movement systems too to make exploration and platforming more varied.
Anything would be better than fucking Yaiba.
c70630 No.14705933
>>14705873
How bad is Yaiba exactly? If it's just a zombie musou I could try it if it's fun.
a6f5d5 No.14705945
>>14705873
I think just having multiple playable characters would be fine, like how DMC does it. Would be even cooler if they had their own campaign as well.
Also reminder to y'all that DoA and ninja gaiden is in the same universe and honoka is best girl. Highly doubt they will put her in ninja gaiden 4 though.
a6f5d5 No.14706053
>>14705933
Onechanbara is a zombie mosou, Yaiba is the "take a suck" game.
a912c1 No.14706127
>>14706053
>Take a suck
Oh fuck it's all coming back to me now.
0ce150 No.14706255
>>14703696
There is nothing wrong in not paying royalties to entertainers and artists. Those two must be slaves, or else they grow into assholes and try to ruin the grops and companies that they work for. Itagaki is an example of this.
ada8ee No.14706272
>>14703696
I'm a sonynigger so no can do, anon. I'm going to play the Sigma versions and probably enjoy it.
261776 No.14706317
>>14704328
post link to vid that u saw
f061ea No.14706836
>>14706272
they are still some of the best games in existence. if you play them and they are reasonably close to 60fps, you will be doing well.
ada8ee No.14708621
>>14706836
I hope they're as good as Shinobi and Nightshade on the PS2 but all the shitting on the PS3 versions of Ninja Gaiden has lowered my expectations.
e93d4c No.14708814
>>14705933
Imagine Inafune smoking weed while making Mighty Number 9. Now imagine him luring Hayashi after he made NG2 Sigma into his studio and filling him with ideas of a collaboration. Hayashi excited woring with one of his heroes agrees and even lents the Tecmo seal and NG character. It's all a dumb scheme to make a game for revenue for Mighty Number 0 and Inafune hires Spark Unlimited to make the game, Tecmo only appears for PR, producing(because of course Inafune must suck money) and lending the characters and universe.
Now imagine a lifeless game, an attempt at a Ninja Gaiden game by westerners who only made TPS games, watched some God of War and then saw some edgy teen zombie movies and then puked and farted all over their ideas until they were disgusting enough to put into a game disc. That's Yaiba.
Like >>14706053 Oneechanbara is the original Zombie Musou / Ninja Gaiden series and much more fun not to mention the last two entries have skyrocketed the combat depth of the series to a great degree.
a6154d No.14709319
>>14708621
NG3 was pretty lame before Razor's Edge, but Sigma and Sigma 2 were both enjoyable for me. I managed to clear a level in 2 without getting hit playing as Momiji with her naginata. I did kind of miss the oceans of blood from the Xbox versions but it's not that big a deal.
a6f5d5 No.14709513
>>14709319
>Razor's Edge,
I keep hearing about how it "fixed the game" but i am wary of that kinda shilling. did it actually fix shit or not?
f12b3c No.14710102
>>14709513
It did, the game got a complete overhaul.
47ba43 No.14710110
8f8c7a No.14710117
>>14709513
New (old) weapons, new (old) playable characters, new (old) enemies, they basically retrofitted all the good old stuff from NG2 in to NG3 and made it feel like an actual Ninja Gaiden game. The Ayane bits were fun, and playing Kasumi in an actual ninja action game was pretty great, especially the red hair and the black leather. Fucking ace.
a6f5d5 No.14710128
>>14710117
>>14710102
well shit, ill try it if I ever get the shekels I guess. at least it will be cheaper than getting ninja gaiden 1 on the xbox + an xbox.
>>14710110
Around the same day Xbox emulation becomes a thing.
47ba43 No.14710154
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>>14704442
I remember there being some fairly popular clone with some guy with a boomerang. Link related is coming out this year, though it looks more like Castlevania.
140ada No.14710161
>>14710110
you can emulate Sigma 1 right now on RPCS3
30af81 No.14710186
>>14710161
If you do this you'll be mocked rightfully
a8c96b No.14710224
37fe73 No.14710422
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Say has anyone tried playing a OG Xbox game on the 360? I am thinking about ordering ninja gaiden 1 but I dont have an OG xbox, I do however have 2 360s. you think it will work on it? Wikipedia says it will work but I dont trust wikipedia.
b87018 No.14710435
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>>14710224
DoA is the home of nice asses in gaming.
89e4cb No.14712352
>>14710154
Seems nice but I can't quite liken it to either CV or NG.
The music pretty shit though
957348 No.14712400
>>14706272
>I'm going to play the Shit versions and probably enjoy it.
Enjoy your slowdowns and censored violence Sonygger.
>>14708621
>I hope they're as good as Shinobi and Nightshade
The OG Xbox version of Ninja Gaiden Black shits all over Shinobi and Nightshade, and I say that as someone who prefers the 2D Shinobi games over the original NES NG games. NG2 on 360 isn't quite as good as NG Black, but it;s still a solid action game and probably the last good thing Tecmo ever did.
>>14709319
>but Sigma and Sigma 2 were both enjoyable for me
You don't have to lie, they weren't.
dcdca0 No.14712729
>>14710422
I've played NG1 Black on the 360 without any problem
>>14704126
Damn, I just posted that NG2 comparison image a single time just a few days ago. Surprised somebody saved it.
Anyway, it's all going to boil down to personal preference. I played hundreds of hours in each version, but I have to say NG1 Sigma gave more than it took away. For me, it all started because I loved the breakneck pace that was in NG3:Razor's Edge. Only NG2 Vanilla came close to that sense of speed & panic.
>>14704111
Never saw it that way, but it does seem correct. They did try to fix a bunch of things from NG3 vanilla to NG3 Razor's Edge, but still something felt missing.
>If Itagaki was still with them, NG3 would have most likely been very good.
Probably. It would've been very interesting to have seen what could've been. I do think it's a littler interesting that after NG3 vanilla bombed, it was Nintendo who gave Hayashi's Team Ninja a second chance to be able to make NG3:RE. Strangely enough, Nintendo was also there to give Itagaki another chance after Devil's Third had development hell for eight years (Itagaki was left by Microsoft to focus on Kinect titles, THQ went bankrupt, etc).
I LOVED Devil's Third too. Surprised at all the little nuances put into that game. Shocked to find out the enemy buildings had hidden weak points you could exploit when you wanted to destroy them.
4f3bc7 No.14712745
>tfw got rid of my xboner because it was a piece of shit only to find out NGsigma 2 is horse shit
I would take a PC port or some nonsense remaster or anything just so I can play NG2 again without having to buy a xbox again, even a cheap used one is too steep for one game
>>14704745
>I enjoy 3RE (for the combat trials)
having 4 playable characters is nice to and its replay system is one of the best even now because it just strips out all the story elements if you wanna burn through the game for fun.
>>14709513
it's very solid, no without it's flaws like crummy boss fights and a few shoddy sections but worth a play to scratch that itch, especially if you don't have a designated ninja gaiden box anymore like myself
dcdca0 No.14712781
Itagaki was pretty slick when he made hidden weak points for bosses in NG2. Thing is, for most bosses their weak point is their BACK! The amount of extra damage done is also dependent on how much you've leveled up the weapon you're attacking with. You'll almost never know you hit it a weak spot in the middle of heated combat, but it's there.
I was making some weapon's chart but I gave up because of weird inconsistencies in damage. Now that I know about the weak spots, it all makes sense why some hits in the combo would do higher damage, but wouldn't when I repeated the combo.
dcdca0 No.14712784
>>14712781
forgot the weapon chart image
7abe9f No.14712836
>>14712784
>>14712781
>>14712729
>>14712731
>>14712734
The only question remains, which grill would you fugg?
dcdca0 No.14713018
>>14712836
I fall pretty hard for cleavage
37fe73 No.14713216
>>14712729
>I've played NG1 Black on the 360 without any problem
Sweet, I just ordered NG (not black though since that is way more expensive) so I am just gonna hope that works too.
644f4d No.14713279
>>14709513
Do NOT listen to
>>14710117
>>14710102
>>14712745
It get's absolutely EVERYTHING about the formula wrong.
I don't even know where to begin… I guess we'll start with bosses. In Ninja Gaiden the bosses had a good balance between damage output and damage reception. Like all the enemies in the game they could beat you relatively fast, but if you were skilled, you could beat them almost as fast. In Razors Edge the bosses have so much padded health that it's more a test of your endurance than skill. You'll just wait for them to finish their pattern, wail away at them, hope they don't get you with a cheap move that will half your health, then rinse, wash and repeat 20 times. Then, by the time you are worn out with the bosses, the game will begin throwing two or three of those tedious bosses at you at once.
Enemies are thrown at you in large numbers. Where as in Gaiden you could choose to fight large groups of enemies for rewards, in this it's just the standard and there's nothing waiting for you after clearing a hoard of enemies that will randomly break out of your combos just because they can, and kill you in 3-4 hits sometimes with some pretty cheap shots. The combo's would be pretty damn cool, but like I said, there's no rhyme or reason to an enemy just deciding to break your combo while they're in the middle of it.
The levels are linear as fuck and have no exploration, nor secrets.
the story is so fucking bad that you can't even ignore it and just enjoy the gameplay… it just manages to be that fucking bad.
The devs basically mistook difficulty with tedium. You're honestly just better off playing Black or Sigma again if you get the itch. I'd say avoid RE at all cost.
b87018 No.14714331
>>14712836
The best girl, obviously.
7edf90 No.14716205
>>14704442
Ninja Spirit
Hagane
d3f209 No.14717035
>>14712729
> pic 5
Wait, Sonia and Irene are the same person?
Since when?
>>14712836
It's a tough fucking choice man, but I've got a thing for redheads, so Kasumi is definitely in with a shot. But then, her personality is a bit too demure, and Ayane's body is fucking ace. I have a thing for busty petite.
And then there's Rachel…
But I'd probably go Ayane.
166e63 No.14720130
>>14712400
Well, I just got the Ninja Gaiden PS3 trilogy in the mail and it's fun as fuck even if it might not be as violent as the xbawx version.
>>14705933
I actually played it before becoming interested in the series proper. If you don't expect Ninja Gaiden it's a fun albeit a very halfassed game. A guilty pleasure worth playing once.
644f4d No.14732110
>finally find black for a good price
>hook up the ol' xbox
>play it
how in the world did Sigma take so many steps back in the responsiveness and platforming? It almost feels like I'm playing a completely different game…