/v/ - Video Games

Ensure people stop playing the shitty version, take it back off the shelves or off the storefront, apologize (maybe refund) and say it will be ready to go soon and make sure it actually is fucking fixed the next time

RUGGA SMALLS

Patch it, it's a privilege of modern day vidya that they can do it, and most refuse to pay enough attention to the community to do it.

>Are bad games fixable?

They shouldn't have to be fixed

>>14693364

>first pic

I think you mean 'broken.'

>>14693366

No difference. I can't play bad games, and games I can't play are bad.

>>14693366

No VTM:B is an out and out bad game. The fanpatch makes it playable and that's important as an artifact of what we could have had but to truly fix it you'd have to rip out the entire combat system and the character build/XP system and the last 1/4 of the game. Honestly even the writing falls flat towards the end.

Basically all it has is 3/4 of a good story.

>>14693399

You sound like a fag who opened it.

>>14693399

>the last 1/4 of the game.

While I agree with the rest of your points I'd say only the boss fights and the sewers are bad which is more like a sixth of the overall game. I mean you're saying 25% and that's way too high. Also you forgot to mention the top-tier soundtrack.

>>14693432

The Sabbat Hotel was also shit and it wasn't a boss fight. Actually any area where you have to fight more than a handful of enemies sucks. You're right about the OST being amazing I'll give you that. Basically to fix the game take the first 3/4 of the writing and the soundtrack and put it in an entirely new game made by non-retarded developers.

>>14693469

>The Sabbat Hotel

I forgot about that but it's in the last section of the game and it ends in a boss fight so it pretty much is a boss fight anyway.

>>14693324

Why waste time trying to do the developers' job? And to fix a shitty game nonetheless?

Abandon the game and go play something good.

>>14693324

Not when they're hardcoded to be shit.

>>14693324

You cannot fix a bad game.

A bad game is bad forever.

If a developer releases a bad game, that means the problem is rooted in from the design process already, and you can't simply patch it and it's magically fun.

Don't mistake bad games for broken/buggy games. Broken/Buggy games are games that may be fun, but needs improvements that aren't very drastic/major.

You can play broken/buggy games and say: "This game is fun, except".

When a developer makes games, they better make it fun starting from the design process.

Also, that quote about late games over bad games.

>>14693324

>If a developer releases a bad game, what is the best way to unfuck it?

You don't. What you can do is not give money or attention to the person who made said bad game to keep this type of habit from being profitable.

>>14693523

wrong

>>14693399

The VTMB team was changed completely at the last 1/4 stretch of the development. You can thank (((Activision))) for that. They see a good RPG and wants cowadoody, they were fucking idiots since then.

>>14693432

The game was good until you finish the Mansion area. That 1 area is more spooky then any full on Horror game. Then the rest of the game is shit.

>>14693324

You can't unfuck a truly bad game, because a truly bad game is not "fun concept with a hitch in the realization", it's bad in concept.

Case in point: the entire survivalcraft genre, where the concept is "virtual camping trip except without the joy of tasting fire-cooked food, and also there's zombies/dinosaurs/other players trying to kill you", which is less fun than just going on a real-life camping trip.

Mods can fix ANYTHING! :DDDD

>>14693324

>what is a one size fits all solution for all bad videogames

Fixing a broken window and fixing a collapsed house require completely different things.

Most bad games COULD be fixed, but as other anons have said; if someone releases a bad game then some part of the development team is the problem and you need to replace it or else the problems with the game will never go away. You need to dig deep into the game and pull out the garbage and put in things that may radically change the game's design, and I don't think I've ever seen that happen before in my life. Some games are so irredeemably shit that it would genuinely be easier to start from scratch and make another game that's similar. Reusing assets isn't going to work though because it'll look like you're selling the same game again.

Modders don't know shit about fixing games properly and you can count the number of games properly "fixed" by mods with one hand, and even out of those most are just using the engine to do something else rather than fixing what the game was meant to be. That said, if the game only has minor flaws then mods can very well fix the game.

If it could be fixed by a patch, it probably wasn't that bad.

The problem with fixing a bad game is that the developers need a change of mindset or priorities to make that happen, and that sort of change is very rare indeed. Even when devs acknowledge the issue and attempt to fix it, they are usually too far up their own ass to make a fix that works.

Really depends on the game. If it's something like Gauntlet Dark Legacy for the Gamecube, it's a matter of patching out all the bugs and glitches.

If it's a game like Fallout or Dungeon Keeper and it's flawed at a fundamental level, there really isn't much you can do to "fix" it without making a new game entirely.

>>14694413

Sometimes

Take a note from Bethesda and let your playerbase fix everything for free. Then try to monetize this method down the line when you have an army of idiots to defend you.

Modding support

>>14693399

>The fanpatch makes it playable

You mean the one that introduces new bugs, arbitrarily replaces content with new amateur equivalents, and strips away the game's iconic sound design?