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You don’t. You let it die like the flavor of the month (from years ago) that it is.

>>14692224

L4D did it poorly, asymmetrical gameplay is a meme not meant to be taken seriously. Its a balancing nightmare due to not just the character abilities but the players themselves.

>>14692363

I think the best asymmetrical game would work something like the movie predator.

>>14692388

the best is pvk2

>>14692363

Well then i guess we should just never play online because of griefers by that logic.

>>14692224

L4D worked in a way i think DBD doesnt but could and thats because its a war of attrition. Unless the team is massive shitters you dont wipe a team as special infected. You pick your moment, maybe a straggler strays from the group or they reach a choke point. Whatever. You are the wolf on the hill patiently waiting for a sheep to wander from the flock just enough. You dont go in to kill but damage. You make them consume resources, maybe ones down and a wave of regular zambambos has less gunfire to slow them down and stop damage. Its a chipping game with the better playings going hit and run rather than kamikaze.

>>14692563

They could give them more freedom like the movies. Like maybe a larger map on the edge of a town. Like police station, gas station, couple houses and so on. Killer does his thing but survivors lure him into path of ambulance they run into him. Killer player is pinned but only until no player looks at him and the moment they look away they hear a 'DUN!' keyboard or violin sting and the killer player is transported to a random point on the map nearby ala miechal meyers.

The only issue there for example would be one player basically afk'ing looking at the killer, but maybe throw in some almost amnesia style mechanic where looking at the killer too long drains your health or stamina from stress and makes you slower so the moment the gates open that player is screwed and has no way of escaping in time? throw in more severe losses for survivor failure and that might be an idea to work on.

>>14692563

And before anyone says

>1 shot kill? Isn't that too op?

No, not even in a map with 100 people all running around, if you've ever played Agario, yes I'm bringing up a meme game to back my point hear me out, you'll know the over load of information causes everything to be chaos, even if there are 15 people and 10 killers in the town square all running around the killers are probably lugging around a sword waiting for one of the survivor to get close enough to hit only for one to suddenly become closer causing them to become unfocused and distracted giving the survivors more of a chance.

Basically just give these rules and let people do the rest, bait and bait, frankly the survivors are probably still too op.

>>14692599

Sure.

Also the bigger the map gets the more options for escape there are, like a 1v1 map has only a car, and a 50 v 50 map has a helicopter, 15 cars, 2 trucks, and 3 ambulances or something like that, they just have to figure out how to start each one, which also adds a "Communist" like aspect to the game where you need to help each other or else one of you might be ditched to get your own gas at the end and avoid 50 killers, although maybe by then they'll have a m16 and a ton of ammo and even higher speed to go full Ash.

And to prevent killers from camping have a timer that kills them like Battlefield if they don't move for more than a minute.

>>14692628

It makes me wonder how that 'Hunt: showdown' game will function when live. The Wierd Western setting is my jam but the permadeath and dark zoneish nature of it makes me think it will be bursting with ragequitters, premades trying to group up beyond the two man party limit to tilt games or just be a shitshow.

>>14692363

L4D did it perfectly. It asymmetrical during round but symmetrical during match. One team is on attack, another is on defense, then they change. Like in baseball or counterstrike. With teams flipping you can whatever you want. Lose for one role is win for another role and it is perfect balance.

>>14692882

Maybe make the deepest part of the zone the most worth while or even have the zone just continually expand?

>>14692388

>I think the best asymmetrical game would work something like the movie predator.

The Hidden: Source, multiplayer mod (it's FREE!) is literally that without the Predator license, team of human soldiers with guns vs a single invisible guy who can stick to walls, make scary noises and leave corpses hanging around, throw objects and can see through walls.

>>14692767

I think the length of a game is the only negative here. If i play Dead by daylight as a killer and lose its no big deal. I get my character xp albeit to a lesser degree and still stalk around being an annoying fuck exactly as intended. The short time means a loss is no huge deal, but some L4D maps can take forever with a slow and overly cautious survivor team.

>>14692142

>psn

>>>/reddit/

>>14694463

DBD's developer just recently separated from Starbreeze & bought the game rights from them.

Immediately after buying the rights and separating, they announce that a lot of changes are coming, so a lot of the playerbase has theorized that it was Starbreeze holding the game down and forcing the devs to make shit decisions.

So maybe it will get better now that they are no longer hitched to Starbreeze.

Honestly though I don't think it will, and still think BHVR will still be incompetent as ever, though hopefully I am wrong.

>>14694488

"C-come on now, you gotta balance it for streamers, gotta hit that whopper button right?"

>>14694463

First off who was the pet for Dead by Daylight?

Second Friday the 13th was killed off because people accused someone of making sexist comments, told their actual dev friend and they banned him for something he didnt do and fucked with him so much on social media that he recanted his defense and apologized just to be left alone.

>>14695129

I assume he is talking about Ochido, a streamer notorious for abusing exploits, using his fanbase to witchhunt players who he doesn't like, and generally being an all around shitter.

For whatever reason he only got banned recently, when he should have been banned long, long ago.

>>14695151

Thought it would be Hexy. That guy is a massive faggot and wannabe korn lookalike. I honestly hate twitch streamers who act like "ITS MY JOB" and then turn around and go "I can do whatever the fuck i want and fuck this guy i dont agree with". Its like these guys have never understood proper customer interactions.

I looked up Ochido and yea thats pretty shit. Getting his followers to fuck with someone he didnt like is shit too. I always find these faggots are prevelent in pvp games. Rust, Dead by Daylight, CoD pubg, fortnite, really anything with a pvp nature to it these guys act like massive faggots.Devs are almost just as bad for enabling.

>>14692142

>So some anons recommended Dead by Daylight as long as its on deep sale

Why? It's a shit game.

As to answer your question I would add a time limit to every match, this would force the survivors to constantly be on the move, doing objectives and stops them or the killer from taking the match hostage.

>>14692150

>>14692984

>>14693219

>1&d1

Thanks for your insightful input cuckchan.

>>14694463

I didn't even know that White Noise 2 existed, looks interesting.

>>14695687

its not bad, needs work but it looks like they didnt drop it after the screamer streamers did for the next 'get hype' game their owners told them to shill.

>>14695789

You have too much faith in these people.

>>14692975

Aw man this was so much fun back in the day. I was never that good but being able to fuck with people was always so neat.

>>14692142

Set it in a concetration camp. Thyphus Patients are trying to get out and get into the pool and the sauna. Guards have to shoot them and Thyphus Patients have spoons and slingshots the they fire gold teeth from.

>>14692142

Make it like Kane and Lynch 2's multiplayer mode. You play as an NPC with the same abilities as the player, but you have lower HP.

>>14696900

Not mention:

<Still doesnt have fucking rebindable controls nearly a year after release

>>14697155

fucking consoles games have done that for like 3 generations at least.

So some anons know Dead by Daylight and i got a question: is huntress OP or something?

I'm new to the game but everytime i play her the moment i get one player down on the ground at least 2 bruteforce a disconnect and take the loss. On PS4. i dont think rage DC's are something i've seen outside a fighting game on consoles maybe ever.

>>14692767

I strongly agree with this assessment of asymmetrical gameplay. The best part is that even if the game is "unbalanced", the fact that both teams have to play both sides makes it much more interesting.

Example:

>Wide open map, zombies are at a big disadvantage because guns give a huge edge to human players

>Both teams have to work with these conditions, meaning killing just one human is a big point bonus. If one zombie team manages to kill the entire human team, that's a big, impressive feat that will be hard to match.

>Exact same goes for an enclosed map with tons of tight corridors and blind corners, only in reverse. It's very hard to win as the humans, but if you manage to get everyone through alive, it'll be very hard for the other team to match you.

>>14697581

She is generally considered to be top 3.

That said, the top 3 killers (Nurse, Hillbilly, Huntress) are the only Killers that actually have the slightest chance vs competent players.

Every other killer just gets stomped by Survivors that actually know how to play properly.

Basically tier list is as follows (Tiers also assume the most optimal build for the character is being used)

Usually Viable

Nurse

Sometimes Viable

Hillbilly

Huntress

Underpowered

Hag

Doctor

Trapper

Trash

Shape

Pig

Cannibal

Wraith

So unbelievably trash he gets his own tier

Nightmare

>>14697635

I like nurse a lot, probably the spooky 1930's old timey ghost vibe really, but huntress feels like the most solid beginner killer so far. Lot of downs, lot of hooks and more time to patrol and damage generators.

>>14695687

White Noise is a fucking blast, the issue is that people get salty and leave. For fucks sake, there are less than 30 people playing the game- grow a pair, accept your loss and play another round.

>>14694488

Behavior aka A2M have a shit track record in terms of "Quality Games."

If anything, they bought their way out of their contract with Starbreeze.

>Contractually obligated to add new content every 3 months.

>Get out of contract.

>No updates announced until June.

>>14697581

Because if you're capable of downing someone, that means you're not an idiot. They want easy wins.

>>14697635

>Shape is trash.

>Huntress is Viable.

>Doctor is underpowered.

1. They still haven't fixed that hitbox issue with her hatchets. They still pass through window vaulting survivors and they can no longer clear cars. When the issue appeared back in October, people thought it was a glitch. Since it has persisted until now, it's a feature.

2. the Doc is in a good place compared to where he used to be. Since the fucked with his movement speed and charge time back in December , he's a little worse than normal but he can still average 3Ks.

3. Myers is mixed bag. depending on the map, he's either the God of Death or you're gonna get looped harder than a 90s synth beat.

>>14701549

>Behavior aka A2M have a shit track record in terms of "Quality Games."

I am aware of BHVR's history, which is exactly why I said it most likley wont get better, and they will continue to be incompetent.

>1. They still haven't fixed that hitbox issue with her hatchets. They still pass through window vaulting survivors and they can no longer clear cars.

While this is a big problem with her, its not enough to knock her off the top 3.

Lets look at Nurse for example.

-Tonnes of maps with deadzones that she cannot blink though that can be easily be abused by Survivors

-99% of her addons are outright detrimental to her, meaning its usually better to play her without any

-Prior to her blink rework her blinks did not play well with elevation differences, making it easy to fuck with here on maps with varying elevations

Despite these flaws, she still is the best Killer.

The same thing applies to Huntress, even though she has major problems its not enough to make her a lower tier, simply because even with the problems she is still better than the Killers below her.

>2. the Doc is in a good place compared to where he used to be.

Doc simply doesnt do enough to warrant a higher tier.

Madness effects take time to build up, once they are built up they arent strong enough, and once they are build up they are too easy to get rid of. He's good at wasting the Survivors time, but he doesnt actually have any way to capitalize on that wasted time.

>3. Myers is mixed bag. depending on the map, he's either the God of Death or you're gonna get looped harder than a 90s synth beat.

The easiest way to think of Shape is this:

-Without Fragrant Tuft, he is a Hillbilly without any mobility, limited fuel for his chainsaw, and a much large charge-up time.

-With Fragrant Tuft he is a powerless Killer since competent Survivors will never let you build up enough Evil to ever make it to Tier3

Even in the event you do get Fragrant Tuft leveled up, all that time you used up stalking survivors is time you are not using to do other things, meaning Survivors A, B, & C are popping off gens while you stare at other Survivor D, trying to siphon as much Evil you can while they constantly break LOS.

Just having an easy to land instadown does not make him a good killer, otherwise Cannibal would be top tier.

Putting more time in i definitely main huntress and a bit of nurse. I think the games too shallow and needs more objective per map instead of generators every time but i think i like it because even if i lose as the killer, even if its a premade party of cheesing survivors using party chat, i'm being a proper cunt and annoying/hindering them constantly and that gives me a good feeling in my heart.

>>14707341

Honestly they could pull a bit more from left 4 deads book. One time its waiting for something -perhaps a subway line with 3 platforms, some bathrooms and offices and the like- and you have to just evade and survive till 'the last train' shows up to escape on. Or maybe you are shut in a school or college and you have to collect items to enact a ritual to dispell the entity and the killers risk is not them escaping but him being banished?

>>14692142

If there's one thing that I wish dbd took from lfd is that the survivors are trying to get somewhere safe and the zombies are trying to stop them all throughout the map. dbd is a single arena that goes on ad nauseum. It would have been more entertaining if the maps all led somewhere important and you could have even added cultist npc enemies that harass the players along the way. You could even have them harass the killer if he attacks them purposefully or by accident.

They should have given each killer a series of maps that build on the other and lead to a final confrontation with the killer. dbd is so dull and it lacks any sort of build up. l4d had you trying to make your way to some sort of escape and you even had the option of betraying everyone else and there was always that chance a teammate would get knocked down at the last moment and trying to save them would kill the group.

>>14708263

>tfw the zombie fad is dead and L4D3 never ever.

i just want campaigns like a snowy blizzard or a city burning down in chaos.