/v/ - Video Games

Persona 1 is a nonsensical ride from start to finish with abhorrent dungeon design made to break you. I can see why people enjoy it, but it isn't for me. Persona 2 duology fixed everything wrong with P1, for me, and still has never been topped as the best Persona games. I'm hoping modern Atlus never touch these games because my god they would destroy them.

I wanted to play with the music patch but I heard it only brings back 1/3rd of the soundtrack and iirc the guy who made it basically said you should just play P1P through, and after you get through the actually good localization you go through and enjoy it with the original music on the PS1 version, basically understanding what actually happens in the story and dialogue and whatnot

>playing P2 before P1

Eh? People I've talked to on this said they were connected and to play 1 before 2.

I've started 1 a few days ago as well but I just reset my very brief run to get Reiji. This game is much easier than I expected once I actually started using my SP/personas, even on expert I can pretty much cream it. I was just so used to hoarding every resource and item and being stingy as fuck that I went through the game much slower than I had to, apparently.

Sprites and animations are pretty nice overall.

I actually like the Jpop music but I think, at least from the one or two tracks I heard to preview the old OST that the original is the proper way to experience it. Its a fucking shame that you have to choose between good localization and a redone (and an unfitting and even shit ost in many people's eyes) to an outright garbage localization with the proper OST that sets the right tone and whatnot.

I think they could've made things look better so far but considering I don't know how many personas are in the game, that might've been a lot of unique animations to make. I want to compare this game to fire emblem where the GBA's resolution and shit is inferior, but the game's aesthetics and sprites blows this one's out of the water.

Anyways I can't wait to experience what the three legends of old atlus were able to come up with in this game. That one interview thing that always gets posted always gets me excited to play old SMT and persona games from the,

I don't know why you'd make this thread when there's already a persona thread up.

also the PSP music is way better, only problem is that the battle theme gets repetitive after 2+ playthroughs

>>14691159

>Persona thread

you know damn well that's basically just a 3, 4, and 5 thread at this point; old persona is much closer to SMT in my opinoin this should've been a combination SMT/Old persona thread

How many years until the P2EP translation is done?

I feel like it has been a decade already…

>>14691886

If you want the translation for the PSP version I'd suggest you just play the original since the guy who is making a patch hasn't talked about it for a while. They mostly post on resetera now.

>>14691404

>I thought 5 was closer to old SMT games then SMT4

thats really only because smt4 is a really bad smt game anyway.

>>14692075

Atlus died by the way when they forsook gods, spiritualism, and naturalism in favor of school bullshit.

>Look at games on my Vita

>P1: £7

>P3: £7

>P4: £8

>p2: £28.99

FUCKING WHY

>>14692144

You have the option to pirate you know.

Persona 1 sucks hard iirc. I absolutely hated that box-maze "first person dungeon crawler" style of travel with an undying passion. It's the main reason why I don't enjoy playing old SMT games as well either. Facing random encounters in a generic-as-fuck box-maze just isn't any fun at all. The music for the battles and stuff also kinda suck. That battle theme started off neat, but the long slow-paced battles quickly made that song feel annoying and repetitive. The characters also lack any of the socializing conventions that Persona 3 established, so it feels more like a typical rpg than what Persona 3/4/5 made the series standout. It's really hard to get attached to anyone here. And the story branches off into two different endings. In the first, you eventually fight a dick monster with your love interest's face on. Kinda disgusting to be full fucking honest. And in the second ending, it feels more like a side story more than anything else. Neither stories are particularly satisfying.

If you HAD to skip any of the Persona games, make it 1.

I haven't played either of the Persona 2s, so I can't comment on them. I do plan to play them eventually though. I just hate how every hipster in the Persona fandom is guaranteed to consider it their favorites. Without fail, I realized that this observation has always proven true.

>>14692144

Stop fucking buying trash if you want companies to stop making trash, buying their old products is not going to convince them to stop making trash.

>>14692164

Thats not the point, why the fuck is 2 so fucking expensive?

>>14692304

Dedicated video game machines are gay, the only reason why they still exist is due to lack of mp options on computers.

>>14692339

Vita means life friend.

>>14692032

Never knew Atlus made a character based on Emma Gonzalez

>>14692170

he could just be getting them for the physical copies

>>14692465

Fucking lmao

>>14692144

See >>14692341 . The second hand video games market is in a solid speculation bubble now. The only thing reasonably priced out there is PS2. Remember how it was the most wide spread system with the largest library ever. The only thing that gets close to those moon prices are some rare weeb games. I am glad that I got mine before pricing for everything went apeshit.

>>14692510

Dude no. This is DIGITAL pricing on PSN. This is how much they are charging for the first four TODAY.

>>14692522

I mean you could go even further and say that new games that are sold digital and physical should have a cheaper option when buying digital, since microshaft and ninbendoverthatasso and sucky arent paying to have another case made.

>>14692304

>>14692522

Some companies just opt to keep particular games high in price as far as digital format goes, and in some cases not even because there's no physical market to compete against. See Bamco not even bothering to try to keep digital prices on something like Tales of Zestiria competitive with the preowned aftermarket (Zestiria's still like $50, or $60 usually for the PS4 version, outside of PSN sales, whereas it's half that or less preowned from what I've seen locally; game's been out over two years already at that, so Bamco's effectively been keeping it at full price digitally). Makes me wonder if the occasional lazy/unaware sale is supposed to make up for the loss of people going for cheaper preowned copies that the publisher won't see an extra cent from, or if it's supposed to make sale prices that much more desirable when they occur. Or maybe they're just being retarded.

On that note, I'm not exactly sure what games/versions PAL has gotten as far as Persona goes. Here on the NA PSN, the games look like as follows (though note that P5 is currently on markdown):

>Persona (PSP): $20

>Persona 2: IS (PSP): $20

>Persona 2: EP (PS1): $10

>Persona 3 FES: $10

>Persona 3 Portable: $20

>Persona 4: $10

>Persona 4 Golden: $20

>Persona 5: $50 PS3/$60 PS4

Considering that PS1 Classics, as well as PS2 Classics for the PS3 aren't playable on the PS4, and the PS3 has been getting phased out (to the point even games that were multiplat PS3/PS4 in Japan are being made PS4 regional exclusives here; credit where it's due to Atlus for sticking to releasing P5 on both systems here), maybe that would explain why P2EP, P3FES, and P4 are cheaper in comparison, whereas the Vita and PS4 are current iterations for console and handheld respectively (even if SCEA may not want to acknowledge the latter much).

>>14693580

EP had some weird pacing issues; plus, it retreads just way too many areas. I know that's the entire point of the re-telling plot angle or whatever, but it didn't make for a thrilling gameplay experience.

>>14691910

>They mostly post on resetera now.

what is it with the neogaf/sjw crowd being slow as shit? same deal with gideon zhi, all these people run in the same crowd (twitter, disagreement, neogaf/resetera) and even ignoring the lefty/tranny shit, they are sloooooow as shit

Pretty shit tbh. I like the time management aspects far better than SMT but with schoolkids.

Undub for P1 released for anyone that still cares about it.

https://nyaa.si/view/1030191

>>14694103

Is there as game where Hitler helps you in combat?

>>14691404

>I thought 5 was closer to old SMT games then SMT4 might be wrong though since i only played the original and not apocalypse.

Currently writing what's going to turn out to be a 50+ page essay (going off how I'm on page 8 and just finally covered all the design issues with Smirk and the history leading up to the game) on everything wrong with 4 from the design, if it was 4A I'd never complete it in my lifetime.

>>14692144

supply and demand bro.

people just know P2 is the best one so it's more rare these days.

>>14695466

>page 8

Impressive. Writeups like that are always nice to read and can provide new and interesting insights and whatnot

I'm well aware of a lot of its flaws by now from reading what other anons have written about it; I got halfway through it before I couldn't continue for unrelated reasons but I was liking it a lot, despite it "objectively" being a bad game by plenty of metrics

>>14694724

Appreciated.

I'm actually really impressed with the quality of the dub in P1 though surprisingly enough, I don't think I'll need this

>>14695541

I'm writing it because when ever I hear discussion it's always begins and almost ends immediately ends at smirk, like smirk is a big issue with the game but it's one piece out of a massive pile.

Stats not being hard capped for the MC until 5 times the strongest demon in a stat, removal of defensive options, giving MC perfect HP and MP yields over them having to invest in stats to have good yields, forced AI companions which run into reflects and blocks, lack of actual dungeons, forced side quests for an ending which they do not tell you about outside the manual, being too neutral can lock you out of neutral, removing compendium completion because of DLC demons, said DLC demons being on the box and given animated cut scenes in the main story along with a presence.

Like this isn't even a fifth of the issues but most will just point out the literal glowing smirk and end there.

>>14695582

>manual

strategy guide.

>>14691024

>I'm hoping modern Atlus never touch these games because my god they would destroy them.

You missed super cool 90s Fuhrer in the PSP release of Innocent Sin.

>>14691159

>also the PSP music is way better,

The music doesn't fit the atmosphere no matter how hard they tried. Up beat j-pop during the apocalypse was a poor fit and I used that audio patch with no regrets after having played through half the game.

>>14691404

>I thought 5 was closer to old SMT games then SMT4

I can't comment on SMT4 as I never finished it. But Persona 5 on a mechanical level tried to do some things that were found in P1 (and by extension the SNES era of SMT) while not committing. It's very much still a game seperate from old school SMT and games like SMT if and P1 which were closest to the original series.

Things like

>Negotiations returning, however they can't be initiated at the start of combat or at will from the combat menu.

>Guns returning, but they are on ammo instead of being unlimited. And status effect bullets are still missing.

>The main character is still the only person who can change persona (something the first three games never did) but Tactics allow you to switch out party members but it's locked behind a social link not available for the first 1/3 of the game.

things like this

Persona 5 very much wants to keep up with the current paradigm. But it's adding other previous designs piecemeal onto it with mixed results. I'm still tired of the story and plot making the MC this generic dating sim protagonist.