/v/ - Video Games

>>14666489

>There's no real reason to want these

Fixed camera creates better horror scenarios since it has you unprepared for what is in the next corner so you have to adapt quickly. Forklift controlers make it much harder and frustrating to move, adding to the horror or the overal difficult. Check Vampire Hunter D on PSX. Also, yes, I miss Onimusha.

>Point n click adventures

Never ever. I lost count of how many times I played shit like Fullthrottle, Toonstruck and Grim Fandango.

>>14666502

It's not the same. But out of curiosity, name one.

>tank controls

Do they even do that for when you're driving a tank anymore these days?

>turning while driving in reverse

Good games would honor the correct way cars turn while backing up (steering left means the back of the car goes left). I've seen a few games where they get it backwards.

>>14666527

>Mech Warrior is in the hands of a bunch of kikes

>Battletech by a bunch of soyboys and fat dyke trannies

GOD DAMN THIS TIMELINE!

>people want tank controls back

Kill yourself, its a good thing we dont have to deal with that anymore

>tank controls

>parasite eve 1

PE had no tank controls and it's fucking horrible. Every time you walk out of a room you have to readjust the joystick as fast as possible before Aya decides to walk into the previous room because the camera just happens to be pointing the right way. Same deal with Devil May Cry, except the camera angles didn't have to be static since the whole game is rendered real-time.

If you have pre-rendered backgrounds, either use tank controls or only use those backgrounds for non-combat segments.

Resident Evil 4 and God Hand were the final evolution of tank controls, since the camera is always in the same relative position and it's painfully obvious which direction you'll be going when you press forward. Any game with a "fix camera" button has inherently flawed camera AND movement controls.

>cuckchan meme

>unpopular opinions

Yep, it's a shit thread.

>Tank controls

These are, without a doubt, the most bullshit and cumbersome controls for a video game. With fixed camera making it worse in every conceivable way. The "enjoyment" of mastering these is nothing more than a simpleminded nostalgia rush from someone desperate to cling to a past they lost.

>>14666548

Eat tide pods, noughties kid.

>>14666666

>>14666594

Depends if you mean tank or forklift. Forklift controls were nice for fixed camera games. Tank controls (original TR) are primitive and shit but I think we've gone way too far away from them in modern games.

You used to have to hold X to grab a ledge and hold it to stay clung on, release and hold again to grab a lower ledge etc.

Its not like those things made a game awesome but it was at least engaging to climb a building or a cliff face and it raised the tension rather than the modern solution - hold analog forward to auto climb.

>>14666840

Amazing. Especially that one fag who took the obvious joke as b8

>>14666545

Everyday i cry since we will possibly never get another controller and game like this again.

>>14666895

Is there any reason that contoller is paired to the one game?

Why can't someone just make another game for it?

>>14666799

A shame that many people still think dlc is acceptable, i will never accept dlc as the norm and i still hate it to this day. I still have a crt for use for my ps1 and ps2 and GameCube Especially for light gun games those dont work at all on newer tvs.

>>14666805

I've seen it but wasnt sure about it. Is it any good?

>>14666948

breedy gud

the puzzles aren't mind breaking, most of the trouble i had was because i didn't know you could use space bar to higlight every object you can interact with on screen

the humor is top notch thoigh, and the MC is an asshole

>you drive your ex insane

>you brainwash a cyborg qt and control her personality with a remote control

>you turn baby dolphins into cat food

>you sell a niggress for 5 coins to a kike that has her dance like a monkey with a fez

>you abuse the mentally handicaped

>you steal from hobos

>you leave young children in the care of a creepy pedo in a windowless ban

>you later put said children to sleep in the mouth of a man eating sweer mutant

at one point in this game i was solving puzzles by thinking, "what could possibly be the most harmfull and irresponsible thing to do now?"

i'm currently playing the fourht one, it seems a little bit to easy for now, but maybe that just becos i'm barelly at the start

Did mods just bumplock this thread and then undo it?

>>14666937

I actually have no clue, i would have liked to see other games utilize it.

>>14667003

Did they?

>Discuss vidya

>bumplock and sages everywhere

>/v/

>>14667003

The new anchor is proving useful.

>>14666982

you actually posted the pic of the place where i last saved!!!

some powerfull meme magic at work here

What's wrong with Doomsday? aside from flushing the ending of 3 down the toilet, wich i don't mind since sad endings are shit anyways

ruining the timeline with profesor hipster's time machine sound like fun, and Ruffus somehow has all his memoryes of the trilogy wich now presumably belong to an erased timeline

I was afraid he would have matured or become more responsible after 3 but luckily he's still as selfish and destructive as ever, wich is why i love the character to begin with

>>14666982

>>14667056

>>14666977

Thanks, anons. You've got me hyped to play these now.

>>14667068

i hope you didn't read the spoilers, i spoiled them for a reason

while i dislike tank controls in general, what I really miss is dedicated turn animation. for example in the first mass effect it would actually fake a second for the character to turn around before they star walking in that direction. in the sequel your character just instantly spins around like they stand on turntable.

>>14667109

SPOILER THAT GREEN TEXT NIGGER THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET

>The ending wasn't sad, it was ironic

i fail to see the irony, his self sacrifice showed him caring for someone other than himself for the very first time in his entire life, hurrdurr hero's death yadayda, who gives a fuck! when you play as an asshole you play to shit on every single person you meet along the way and get away with it, i liked the ending of GoW 3 cus after the world was destroyed Kratos still had one more F U to Athena, i didn't want the MC asshole to grow a concience, i wanted him to be the asshole he was born to be and shit everything up, him not getting to elysium or not even givng the D to his "goal" isn't that bothered me, him stoping being an asshole right at the end did

>>14667155

>his self sacrifice showed him caring for someone other than himself for the very first time in his entire life

And that costed him absolutely everything he had and went trhough for, since he decided to change just for one moment. And the thing is, he died an asshole, but the point is, he died, that's end for his story, and it was great.

>him stoping being an asshole right at the end did

He didn't. He did it for Goal and only for Goal, since it was the only way for her to survive, he was in a real fucking dilemma there, he didn't even changed, as showed when he just laughs as he falls

Rufus just wasn't a person that was going to have a happy ending, not even Kratos didPeople usually get mad because Goal ends with Cletus, when it was pretty obvious she was aware of the fact that that wasn't Rufus.

>>14667077

I did but I'm not going to remember a word of it.

>>14667304

It looks amazing, anon. Thank you

>>14667325

Keep in mind I only played a bit so it might shit the bed later on but so far it seems fun enough.

>>14666502

>>14666509

>Point and click adventures

>You're not looking hard enough (to find them)

Can we appreciate the irony between that and how they're sometimes pixel hunts?

>>14667353

This and

>get completely stuck

>use every item in your inventory on every interactive object in the area you're stuck in

>solution is far fetched and nonsensical

I still loved them despite this and hoped they'd evolve past this some day to a point where you've got enough interactivity to solve problems your own way.

Instead the genre just died.

>>14667375

Hey you know what, La Mulana is basically a pixel hunt game in platformer form, and does it really well. Looking forward to LM2 which I hope launches this year, but no date yet

Is the english dub for Deponia any good?

I found the german one to be excellent.

>>14667392

They dubbed it in Arabic?

>>14667385

I liked La Mulana because I have a soft spot for Metroidvanias. Kind of felt like they were trying to be 2hard4u sometimes but didn't have the character controls to back it up.

>>14667398

The german version is almost nip tier in its linguistic proficiency, the jokes, VAs and setting werk together excellently and the language's unorthodox or obscure features are used fairly proficiently, which is extremely rare amid the stilted machine translated localizations making up 99% of the legally available localized foreign media in this EU shithole calling itself a nationstate.

t. descendant of East Prussian refugees

>>14667494

Somehow your post reminded me of static backgrounds which were short looping movie clips for animated backgrounds.

Never will we ever see those again.

Fear Effect 3 came out recently and its some top down shootan shit now.

What is the point of not killing yourself?

>unique game mechanics

>splitscreen multiplayer

>cheatcodes

>lan multiplayer

>native pc gamepad support( fuck xbox controller)

>gameplay unlockables rewards

Anymore?

>>14667813

>cheatcodes

Why are they gone exactly?

I miss when you could unlock cheats by finishing the game or whatever.

>LAN

You can't do LAN any more??

>>14667876

>Cheatcodes

>Why

Why the actual fuck do you think? Why not sell them instead?

>>14667448

The German version is the original one.

Monster Rancher's making monsters from CDs. Digging out all my sister's and my CDs to see what came from them was fun. It's one of the great losses with the move to digital. Putting in code just wasn't the same.

>Multiplayer lobby

>>14667876

>You can't do LAN any more??

Only a few modern games has Lan option, tragic.

>no more PIP windows in a strategy game so you can monitor three different locations at once

It really is a pity that Earth 2160 drove several dozen nails into the coffin of the Earth 21XX franchise.

>Programable A.I. bots for multiplayer

Even if they walked on rails and weren't terribly smart the bots from Perfect Dark still stand out to me as some of the best A.I. for bots for multiplayer ever made.

The first Killzone on PS2 had decent bots too but the bots from PD were better.

I don't think any game will ever implement Halo 3's forge feature again for whatever reason. There are countless games I've played in recent years that while playing I would get so many ideas for things that I could do with them if only there was a basic forge mode in the game. Instead you just get tired of them after a few hours because devs make terrible game modes and incredibly boring maps.

>>14666489

Ever heard of Daedalic? They've been releasing a few point and click over the past few years.

>>14667245

>Kratos didn't have a happy ending **i'll be ignoring TLOU assgard edition for the sake of this post and focus only on the 3rd game

>kills every god in Olympus

>tortures and terrifyes them before

>kills all titans

>kills everyone who gets in his way

>destroys the entire world

>finally dies as he wanted to do so in the first game becos fuck the 4th and the after credits scene in the 3rd

>laughs at Atrhena as he spits on her face shittin all over her grand master plan

>not a happy ending for a greek tragedy

Deponia on the other hand started a comedy with dark humor about a selfish asshole who just kept getting away with it no matter what he did but ended on a sad note outta nowhere becos "muh powa of love" and he couldn't even take the other 2 asshole clones down with him, at least then it would have made sence for him to laugh at someone else's misfortune instead of pullin a "joker" and laugh just becos, GoW it was clear from the start it wouldn't end in any other way than the MC dying, but this game had spent an entire trilogy making the player laugh at the misfortunes of NPCs just so that the dev could "subvert the tropes" and end it on a sad end with him laughin at the fans (literally there is 4th wall breaking fanboy in the end) who where expecting the ending to be as funny as the rest of the game, and then he get's surprised when people are dissatisfyed with the ending?, Cletus and the other clone being left alive at the end was like adding insult to injury. If Doomsday ends with the planet exploding as in the prologue it'll be a bettr ending than 3, cus at least i'll know that Cletus and that other clone (can't remeber his name) will die along with the world

>>14666489

Different games communicating with each other, sometimes between different consoles or across generations. (To clarify, I don't mean game X on console X playing with game X on PC, but game X communicating with game Y, sometimes between console X and console Y.)

What I'm thinking of was really more of a Pokemon thing, but it was neat that the handheld games could communicate with more games than just the respective related games within its generation. For example, trading between Stadium and the GB games, Colosseum and GBA games, GB and GBC games, GBA to DS (one-way), and so on. Getting a Manaphy egg in gen4 from Ranger was also neat, but I hated relying on that to complete the dex. (It's better than other event mons in that it's more easily obtainable, but it's still tedious.)

Implementation wasn't always the best (such as being required for Manaphy, which you might not even know without looking it up online) but it was still a cool concept. Gen4 didn't really have the best spin-off games to connect to which meant I didn't do this much since gen3, but I was still sad to not see this done with gen5. (The same thing applies to gen6+, but I hated them too much to really care anymore by then.)

Pokémon probably did this more than almost any other game franchise (assuming other games did this to begin with), but did any other game communicate between other games in its series like this?

>fix camera

>tank control

God be praised those shit are dead, they were never good to begin with and have been used only for the limitation of machine

>point&click

Keep looking, there are some nice one that aren’t “combine this random object with this other meme random object to have a ebic thing for story progress”

>RTS with multiple Z levels

>>14670089

>this is the whole genre

No that's the reddit tier shitty games you play faglord.

Grimm fandango and day of the tentacle aren't meme object. There is a logic behind it even if it use weird stuff to combine

>>14666489

>Obsolete games/features that will never be produced again.

You know what I miss more than anything? good games

>>14671323

edgy

>>14666489

>Obsolete games/features that will never be produced again.

Games finished before release date.

>>14672616

Slavs still do it.

>point and clicks

>point and clicks with pre-rendered 3d

>>14666840

That's a beauty

>>14669380

I'm still butthurt that I couldn't trade my pokemon from Gen 2, which I had already traded from Gen 1, over to Gen 3. But it's okay, just buy the Gen 1 games again, goy! Then you can get the 150 all over again! And if you want the next 100, just get a Gamecube, several different gamecube games, including some limited editions, and a gamecube to GBA link cable!

I like this type of thing when it's on a smaller, more manageable scale. Like you could connect Jak X on PS2 to Daxter on PSP with a USB cable and unlock the ability to play as Daxter alone, plus play as the bad guy from Daxter, IIRC. Even that's a bit gay that stuff was locked behind buying extra stuff though.

My favorite example is probably on the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games. In 2 and 3 you get discounts on weapons from previous games if you have saves from the previous games with those weapons on them. They even acknowledge it in the story. In the first game, you save the HQ of the company that makes the weapons, so the president makes you an employee, but mentions that the employee discount takes two years to kick in. In the third game, two years later, you actually do get that employee discount, so long as you have the save from the first game and are past that point in the first game. You'd almost think they actually had it all planned out from the start.

And related to both the games I just mentioned, in Ratchet: Deadlocked, if you have Jak X save data on your memory card, you unlock Jak as a playable skin, and in Jak X, if you have Deadlocked save data on your memory card, you unlock Ratchet as a playable character. All the characters in Jak X also have character profiles, only written in Precursor language, but if you translate it you can get bits of info about Ratchet that you don't get in his own games, like his actual age (at least at the point of Deadlocked).

>>14666502

you telling me theres a new spyfox out?

>>14683545

You've got the Ratchet stuff confused a bit. The employee discount you get in 1 only applies in 3. Not enough time had passed from the release of 1 to 2 for the discount to activate, and the main vendors weren't Gadgetron anyway. The individual weapons is something separate from the employee discount. It's not a discount for those weapons either, you just get them for free. In 2, you'll get the weapons you had on your 1 save at the Gadgetron sales place in the game when you get to it. In 3 you'll get your R&C2 weapons for free from Slim Cognito.

>>14683606

>The employee discount you get in 1 only applies in 3.

That's what I said.

>It's not a discount for those weapons either, you just get them for free.

But ok, my mistake on that one.

>>14683631

Your post reads as if the employee discount is a discount on weapons you previously owned.

>>14666489

>Tank controls Lara Croft

Yea the original controls felt more like a puzzle platformer or true 3d cinematic platformer (more in the vain of the original PoP or Another World). Something is lost with "fluid controls" and how it makes complex moves possible because you can buffet the inputs. Dark Souls and Demons Souls has a bit of the Buffering which was nice, but newfags cwied about it so they "fixed" it in latter entries

>>14683659

What? You want to read guides written in TEXT? Why would you want to look up whatever info you want in ten seconds? Wouldn't you rather watch a cringy youtube video for fifteen minutes instead?

>>14683898

This.

Also games that make you use your initiative rather than hold your hand with quest indicators and obvious as fuck clues and just general non-normalfag gameplay are becoming scarcer and scarcer.

>Daily reminder that bugmen considered fucking Cuphead to be difficult. Like the 'dark souls' of platforming.

This is the level of dumbass vidya is catering to.

>>14683898

That was a badly designed tutorial.

>>14666489

>forklift controls

I've never heard this. How is it different from tank controls and why is there a different term for it?

>>14684180

>>14683898

I would highly recommend Expand Dong: Tropical Freeze

>levels are designed to be played solely with DK

>secret levels are only accessed by basically playing a level perfectly with a partner

>each world has another secret temple level that is pretty difficult (I lost about 30 lives on average, trying to get all the goodies in them), which is only unlocked if you get all the KONG letters in each stage

BUT THEN

>can do time trials for each level, with bronze, silver, gold rankings and an online leaderboard

>can also get a shiny time by not taking damage

>all the random enemies and platforms in each level are actually placed perfectly for speedrunning

>if you can unlock everything you can get hard mode which removes checkpoints(?)

>beating hard mode unlocks mirror levels

Lots of stuff to offer from the game, depending on what sort of player you are. If you're a shit and just want to beat the game, you can. If you want to unlock everything, you can do that too. If you're a speedrunner or a masochist, it's got your covered too.

>>14683545

>I'm still butthurt that I couldn't trade my pokemon from Gen 2 over to Gen 3

GameFreak changed a lot of technical stuff with IVs, stats, and other saved Pokemon info that would have been difficult to make gen3 backwards compatible. (Remember, the games went from 8-bit to 16-bit so this meant gen3 was able to save more data per Pokemon due to better hardware.) The short version is, if you could somehow trade a Pokemon from Ruby to Silver and back, you wouldn't have the same Pokemon you started with.

If GF somehow added the ability for the games to communicate, it would either have to be a one-way transfer from 1/2 -> 3, or a huge warning about your Pokemon losing/changing abilities on trade back, changing stats, etc.

>>14695484

Silent Hill 2 and 3 also had the option to have non tank controls, or "2D controls", as they called it, and I think they also did the thing where the direction on the analog stays locked after a camera change. It's a simple fix that goes way back, but tank controls are still alright

>>14693630

Me neither.

>>14666666

>>14683659

Came here to post this. There's no mystery anymore. How could a developer even go about hiding secrets these days?

>>14694447

But now you can transfer pokemon from Gen I to damn 3DS games. Gen II also has plenty of stuff not in Gen I, so they just place limitations on what you can do when you connect the games, and even then there were some minor things that could end up different if you changed them back, IIRC, but it's worth it.

>>14705929

>But now you can transfer pokemon from Gen I to damn 3DS games.

Except you can only transfer gen1/2 saves from the 3DS VC. You can technically do that with original saves if you know how to backup and transfer them to a 3DS, but you can't do that without 3rd party devices.

>Gen II also has plenty of stuff not in Gen I, so they just place limitations on what you can do when you connect the games

Gen II did change up stats, but they couldn't change too much in order to retain compatibility when trading.

>there were some minor things that could end up different if you changed them back, IIRC, but it's worth it

The issue is that the changes to Pokemon data and stats in gen3 weren't minor. This includes new values to track shininess, gender, etc. instead of just IVs, or using new IVs with higher limits due to moving from 8-bit to 16-bit.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Generation_III#Major_alterations_from_Generation_II

Yes, trading between gen1/2 has some minor setbacks or issues, but gen2 wasn't designed to be too different on a technical level. Gen3 was a fresh start, in a sense, so having a 16-bit game bound to 8-bit limitations didn't make sense. Backwards compatibility can be a nightmare for users and developers, so it was easier for them to just make new games (FireRed/LeafGreen) to catch the missing Kanto/Johto Pokemon with the new stats and data format. Obviously they could have just included the missing Pokemon in Hoenn to begin with, but remember, each region being its own game just means more money for Nintendo.

>>14705950

I can't tell if that was strictly for jokes or a lighhearted workplace safety vidoe

360 degree pre-rendered point and click games. Unlike the 2D kind that was popularised by Sierra and LucasArts this genre doesn't get even the odd indie or European niche release these days.

>>14702863

Making consoles become internet connected machines was a mistake. Now that they have patches and DLC it all comes piecemeal just like PC games did once fast internet access became more widespread. I've been a PCfag since I was a kid but I always thought there was something pure about the consoles you could just buy a game to and then that was that. No patches, all the content was there.

>>14694746

RIP Rufus.

>>14708165

Strictly humor camouflaged as a workplace safety video.

This is the pinnacle of German humor. Camouflage it as serous wörk.

>>14666489

Point 'n click games are still really popular in Europe.

>>14708259

The DualShock 4 has a speaker in it. Used for the same sorts of things. A lot of games where you get phone calls will have the calls come through the controller. In InFamous: Second Son you do graffiti and are supposed to hold the controller sideways and pretend its a spray can. You have to shake it before you use it, so the rattling and spraying sounds come from the controller.

>>14712094

That sounds gay af tbqh fam.

So-NEETS to be nintendo master race and failing.

>>14666489

>tank control

>static camera angle

shit mechanic and I'm glad its gone.

<"b-but muh horror atmosphere"

jump scare are not scary, and tank control is baby tier because auto aim.

<"oh look, a pile of dead zombies on the ground, let me draw my weapon to see if its locks to any of them so I don't get jumped"

<"Oh no, I can't see what's behind that corridor, let just aim and shoot to see if it hits anything"

>>14667029

Last year I think some faggot came into the Mechwarrior thread asking for people to help him practice using that controller. Apparently it worked but wasn't quite as good as a mouse for aiming. Still, I bet it felt badass.

>>14712145

The fixed camera set a certain atmosphere not the controls, nobody said anything about jump scares and there's no lock on in Resident Evil when zombies drop, you amazingly autistic faggot.

>>14712461

>there's no lock on in Resident Evil when zombies drop

You obviously never played RE then, or too stupid to use the lock on.

>The fixed camera set a certain atmosphere

This probably the most dumbass reason for static camera. No, it doesn't set the atmosphere, the music and the looks does. Theres a lot of horror genre that uses fist person view, top down view, sidescroller, etc. Fixed camera angle is just an obsolete design because of hardware limitation, they couldn't render a fully 3D environment so they use a camera trick to make it look like you are exploring in a 3D space but the background is just a 2D images

>>14666937

i looked this up a few years ago, apparently the controller is unbelievably difficult to set up as a standard PC controller but it IS possible. i entertained the idea of getting one but i can't code for shit

>>14704099

Randomised easter eggs that not everyone sees, encouraging people to keep playing your game to find more with each playthrough, and to share your game footage on YouTube et al, giving you constant attention.

Encrypt the data with some stupid DRM, like VMprotect (which doesn't cause slowdown AFAIK) that runs like CheatEngine and modifies the game code to add the easter eggs on the fly according to a random hash, perhaps created by your hardware specifications then further randomised by your user profile name.

Then people might even start sharing hardware specs and profile names like BoI seeds.

:^)

>>14712627

Yet some games with full 3D will still occasionally use a fixed camera to set the scene so you've wasted your time typing out a retarded argument.

Proper space shooter with OPTIONAL multiplayer

>>14712747

I got to go into a test room for a reactor like this, they let us fuck around with everything and we promptly melted the theoretical reactor down. It was a lot of fun.

>>14715537

>microsoft funds a retarded expensive game and a unique peripheral with it

>also funds a sequel to show off the online functionality of the system

>w-why won't they bring it to the platform they already have total control over?

>>14715598

What was the fastest time to meltdown?

>>14715650

I think it took us about an 2 hours.

>>14715669

breddy gool/10

I wonder if Ahmed and his friends had access to such a thing, would they compare high scores and banter about it?

>mashallah, what are you of doings muhamad? Are you trying to marry infidels?

<[muffled sound of falafel spilling out his pockets] y-you too

>>14702863

Mario Odyssey was finished on release at least.

>>14715510

keyword occasionally, and its not to set up a scene, just to force player focus on the environment rather than the character. name one fully 3d game that use static camera in its entirety.

>>14717492

>use cheat codes in DKC2 GBA remake

>one of them is for a menu to play all songs in the game

Why don't more games have this?

>>14717492

You can buy cheat DLCs instead.

>>14715598

>volunteer for airborne search and rescue one summer a couple years ago

>this just means i get to fly around with actual professionals trying to spot things in the woods whenever there's a plane crash or a hiker goes missing or something

>they have some huge, extremely expensive helicopter simulator for the uh-1h huey

>been there for a couple weeks, one of the pilots asks me if i want to try it out

>hell yeah i do

>get in there, little does this nigga know i've played the DCS huey module and know how to start this motherfucker up

>start that huey completely unassisted

>pilot is looking at me like i personally discovered manned flight

>give him a cocky grin

>realize i don't know how to actually fly it very well

>get to a shaky hover

>"alright let's take off from the runway, go to 1000 feet and circle that mountain"

>pick up speed, still at about five feet off the ground

>translational lift picks me up

>panic, drop off the collective

>helicopter gets out of the ground effect area, drops like a stone

and that's how i went from golden god of aviation to total newbie faggot in about three minutes of using a real big boy simulator. sage for gay blog

>>14722060

Because they can charge for it.

>>14666489

>wanting tank controls

Faggot.