0c1893 No.14661992
I may be presented with a chance to get a used PVM from a local TV station. I have no clue what to look for or what kind of price I should find acceptable (unless I luck out and they just give me one for free since they're considered outdated).
Are analog video converters a bitch to set up?
Do I find one with S-video? Doubt they have one with SCART
Is there some cut off point or a certain serial number I should be avoiding/looking for?
What kind of damages should I out for in case they don't want to test them all out on-site?
TL;DR - How do I CRT?
88189a No.14662010
If they will let you see them running and they look good buy them all. I would not pay more than $50 no matter how valuable ebay says they are. You are doing them a favor taking them off their hands.
0c1893 No.14662176
>>14662129
they're quite heavy, anon
I don't think I'll be able to lift one over my head
7fe466 No.14662183
Enjoy your eye cancer.
>>14662176
>they're quite heavy, anon
>I don't think I'll be able to lift one over my head
Nevermind. Instead of plugging it in, maybe you should use it for lifting? Sounds like you found a use for one other than the CRT meme.
af10d9 No.14662244
Sure is shill-y in here. Which disagreement is it raiding us this time?
b60c71 No.14662254
>>14662183
>Enjoy your eye cancer.
enjoy being a fucking retarded perma-NEET
eda312 No.14662263
I wanna know what's the best way to record PS2 gameplay from an actual PS2 and crt tv. I have a memory with all my save files in it and I wanna show off some of the cool stuff I have on it. I just don't wanna be "that guy" who records video footage with a crappy camera from afar.
So instead, maybe there's a dvr thing or something I can attach to my crt tv. But which dvr brand would be the best get? Or maybe there's a way to plug my PS2 to a pc monitor and record footage there? I don't really know.
eda312 No.14662267
da011f No.14662288
>all these anti-CRT fags
The asking prices for obsolete TVs online are ridiculous. The average person treats them as essentially worthless. Here in the UK when analogue TV stopped and we went full digital, fucking everyone just dumped perfectly functional CRT TVs outside their houses/in the street.
That said, CRTs are a requirement for lightguns, and any console pre 7th generation frankly looks like ass on LCD. They were designed for CRT, not HD flatscreens.
0c1893 No.14662291
>>14662263
Do what James Rolfe did:
hook up your console to a audio-video splitter, one end goes in your TV, the other into the capture/recording hardware of your choice (a DVD recorder in James' case).
While a CRT monitor produces an image that is more suitable for pixel based games, it does not produce an a/v signal to begin with. Best to record it straight off the signal origin e.g. your PS2.
da011f No.14662298
>>14662263
easycap anyone?
7b360e No.14662307
>>14662288
>They were designed for CRT, not HD flatscreens
You had HD flatscreen CRTs back then too you neanderthal.
b60c71 No.14662310
>>14662263
>>14662298
el gato, or hauppage make good stuff
08e2f1 No.14662412
My personal advice is to go in with a few hundred dollars and buy everything from them OP as there is a lot of profit to be made reselling them and you will likely get a good deal as these studios are looking to get rid of them and replace them with modern broadcast monitors for a number of reasons. You want to find ones which accept rgb/component, have a larger size, and especially if you see the multiformat branding on the front frame of the monitor. Most have s-video at a minimum for higher quality input. These monitors use BNC (unless you find one from the 80s in Europe/aus) which you can buy simple adapters (RCA to BNC) or pre-made cables for old systems on. The adapters are good for component/composite signals, s-video is a standard port with some exception on earlier JVC monitors. Keep an eye out for brands like Sony, Ikegami, JVC, Panasonic, these are the most common and are very sought after too.
If it's a newer multiformat monitor it may only have some input options like SDI, HDSDI, RGB/Compo, Composite/S-Vid, check the back panel but do not hesitate to take these, in a way you are doing these companies a favor and they'll likely be happy to get rid of them. Bring a console to test them, I'd say a Wii as you can load up the 240p test suite in a SNES emulator or retroarch to do simple geometry and convergence and linearity tests. Good luck and ignore the gsync shills which found your thread first. Nvidia has a lot of money and they aren't doing their job very well.
0c1893 No.14662518
>>14662412
Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can get out of this deal. Most of the displays they have are Sony's Trinitrons, but I spotted one JVC screen as well. I guess I did the right thing by keeping my Wii all these years seeing as how it's the only console I have left now. Embarrassing info ahead:
I am not a rich man, and to boot I still have to live with my parents who disapprove of my vidya and dumpster diving hobbies. Plus, I'm a Europoor, I don't really know if the retrovidya hipsters are prevalent around my area. Lack of space is another thing, might have to rent a container when I can't even afford to rent a flat of my own.
I hadn't thought about reselling them before now, so this might get interesting. I might become an anti-Metaljesusrocks.
08e2f1 No.14662559
>>14662518
What I do is sell them by undercutting everyone else. They sell extremely quickly and I still end up making a large profit. Plus releasing them back into the wild is its own service to other interested users. Just be prepared to go very detailed in shipping, I recommend visiting an arts and crafts store and getting thick squishy foam sheets.
f529c7 No.14662685
Why is it every time someone makes a thread on CRT screens there's always a loyal gaggle of cancerous Gen-Z diapershitters trying to enforce conformity in a place that prides itself on being contrarian? I don't get it and probably never will as those who were born with iPhones in their mouth come here in increasing numbers.
>>14662288
Dude, that's not even the worst thing that happened in 2009 regarding retro shit at least if you're an /o/ anon like me, the scrappage scheme ruined the used car market on almost every level and you can still feel the aftershocks to this day. All because people were (rightly) choosing not to buy new cars with sealed engines and complex electronic systems. Practically overnight it became impossible to find a car older than 15 years (though I have noticed an increase of A - G reg cars in the past few years, obviously by those who care for them), cars that would have sold for a few hundred in 2008 were now closer to a grand barely 12 months later, and many classics became casualties by senile owners who were unaware of their value or just didn't care; http://archive.is/3C8Ib tells you some of the undeserving victims of the metal munchers.
For USposters, imagine if Cash for Clunkers operated simultaneously in every state for several months straight.
79ddb9 No.14663117
>>14662685
it's literal shills that are either convinced they're fighting scalpers or shills that really want you to buy the latest gsync 144hz now with extra ghosting flat panel.
0c1893 No.14664007
What about adapters? Any brand in particular you guys could recommend?
79ddb9 No.14664032
>>14664007
For what? Either go official or something like retro gaming cables uk, hdretrovision, and there's one other I forgot but you are UK based so you might want to get RGB scart cables, scart to BNC adapters, and call it a day.
efb3de No.14665159
>>14661992
H I P S T E R F A G G O T S
08e2f1 No.14666112
>>14665159
-t. gen z kiddie
6f8a8d No.14666210
>>14664032
I can also vouch for Retro Gaming Cables UK. I got a few of their RGB scart cables though I use them with a Framemiester on LCD since my trinitron died last year.
1e3b70 No.14666335
>Are analog video converters a bitch to set up?
What are you converting to what?
>Do I find one with S-video? Doubt they have one with SCART
PVMs never had SCART. It's S-Video and RGB over BNC connectors.
>Is there some cut off point or a certain serial number I should be avoiding/looking for?
Not that I'm aware of.
>What kind of damages should I out for in case they don't want to test them all out on-site?
Burn in, maybe bent connectors. Beyond that you're getting into some really technical shit like convergence errors and I'm certain a newfag like you isn't going to grasp those concepts.
74a560 No.14666390
>>14666112
>t. cum swilling nu-male
0c1893 No.14669019
>>14666335
>PVMs never had SCART.
I could've sworn I saw one with SCART in the last actual CRT thread.
1e3b70 No.14669118
>>14669019
Either way, your goal is BNCs. If they have a Sony BVM, you jump at that son of a whore.
631e6a No.14672578
>>14669118
I've looked into it a bit, but never found a way to visually differentiate a PVM and BVM other than the model number beginning with either one of he abbreviations.
fc813f No.14672757
>>14661992
CRT is gay nigga just play on emu with Super 2x sai and it looks way smoother and better.
29ba01 No.14672810
If CRT Anon is here, I want you to know I still love that cute little Panasonic you sold me.
79ddb9 No.14672889
>>14666335
>PVMs never had SCART. It's S-Video and RGB over BNC connectors.
Early 80s PVMs did in Europe, and other pro monitors like Hentarex ones did.
>>14672578
BVMs are all HR Trinitron, some PVMs are HR Trinitron, BVMs have extremely fine adjustment tools, many of which are built in, some BVMs have advanced automatic self-correction deflection circuits like the BVMD24/32. Plenty of BVMs are multiformat and only two PVMs are multiformat (14L5 & 20L5.) There's quite a few differences, BVMs are better in pretty much every way with the only exception being the BVM-A series which I would generally avoid unless for a very, very good price. Smaller 14" BVMs tend to look more like microwaves (pic related), bigger ones have pull-out drawers, 24" and 32" 16:9 variants exist, and some BVMs have no controls and require an external remote.
>>14672810
I'm glad it's serving you well.
4db1b2 No.14672903
>>14662263
Get cable splitters and plug one end into an old tv tuner card?
4db1b2 No.14672928
>>14662288
Meanwhile in the US I think a lot of people still have their CRTs, at least in storage anyway.
04c06c No.14673058
>>14663117
>shills that really want you to buy the latest gsync 144hz now with extra ghosting flat panel
You know, I really didn't want to believe this, but most LCDfag posts are just (1) and done's and all their arguments are based on myths and misconceptions. How much would they even get paid to post this kind of trash?
1e3b70 No.14673146
>>14672889
That Ikegami you sold me still works like a champ, and has earned it's home on my PC desk.
1e3b70 No.14673159
>>14662685
>mfw I heard about a guy who Cash For Clunkered a fucking Syclone
79ddb9 No.14673166
>>14673146
Awesome, Ikegami's are built to last. I imagine you'll get a lot of use out of it and it won't flinch. Just make sure to keep an eye on the overload light as the more I learn about Ikegami sets, the more I realize they're extremely sensitive despite being such high quality. I'm always here so if any of you have any questions or anything don't hesitate to make a thread.
1e3b70 No.14673254
>>14673166
It's plugged into a quality surge protector, and I built all my RGB breakouts myself, replete with the correct capacitors and resistors.
3a5772 No.14673645
>>14673166
>overload light
What does the overload light mean exactly?
1e3b70 No.14673713
>>14673645
Likely that there is an input signal that is above tolerances, or that the input to the CRT is above tolerance.
1e3b70 No.14673944
Quick and Dirty guide on How to make your own breakouts:
What you'll need:
>Fully populated AV connector for the system of choice
Usually can get these from Chinese SCART cables with ease.
>QUALITY multi-wire (at least 8 wires, 10 is preferable) cable
Usually costs like $3-5 per foot, and you really only need a few inches per unit.
>Shielded single-lead wire
For inside the box itself to reduce crosstalk. Guitar wire might work.
>Project box big enough to mount connectors to
Doesn't need to be fancy here. China sells'm cheap, but they can take months to arrive. Up to you if the time is worth it. Either way you need one big enough to mount the connectors you plan to use.
For full array breakouts (RGB, Composite, S-Video, and audio), you can get away with using all three sides of the unit, and there is no shame in using 3.5mm jacks for audio.
>Prototype PCBs, preferably thru-hole and solderable.
These are cheap, and you can dremel them to fit. Really you just need to have something to mount components to, as well as take up any strain in the event of an accident.
>The jacks you need, RCA, S-Video, or 3.5mm
Don't get fancy with BNCs, you don't want to spend a mint on those cables when good RCA cables are electrically identical, and cost a fraction. Buy what you need.
>Capacitors and resistors
Look up what you need per cable, for your region. SNES in particular needs capacitors in the NTSC, and Resistors in PAL. You can go as cheap as you care to with these, as they aren't going to be handling high power. They're just there to condition the video signal. Get a variety pack, it's cheaper, and you'll have spare caps and resistors around for other projects.
>Pinout for your console
Duh.
>Dremel, drill with stepper bits, soldering iron, gaffer/painters tape.
Duh, duh, duh, and the gaffer's tape is for planning your cuts before you make them. Also keeps your drill location nice and clean.
>heat shrink insulation
Black vinyl tape is for temporary fixes. Do not use it on something you're going to put together and likely not look at for months. Use heat shrink.
For Sync, go by this handy line: C-Sync > Sync on Luma/Y > Sync on Composite. Not everything has C-Sync, in that case go with Sync on Luma. Composite is the last port in the storm.
To start with you're going to take the console connector and remove any cheap ass chinese wire it came with. We won't be needing it. Now you might need to open up the rear of the plastic housing a bit to fit your beefy shielded cable, take it slow and steady. If you must use black vinyl tape anywhere, I suppose you can use it to reinforce the connector and cable here. Strip and solder your wires into the connector (taking notes on what color goes to what pin) and close it up. Make sure you ground the shielding (the bare wire mesh around your little wires) and any unused wires. DO NOT GLUE IT SHUT YET. Hell, I never glue mine at all, as you never know when you need to fix something.
Take the other end of your cable and size a hole to -just- fit it in your project box. Now's also a good time to mount any connectors you plan to use in the box as well. Measure at least twice and make sure you're damn sure before you drill anything. Also a good time to fit your PCB. Map out how you plan to route the connections on the board, and for god's sake do not run the wires straight from your thick cable to the outbound jacks. You want the cable to go to the board, then to the connector, this way any strain on the cable isn't transferred to the wires inside the box. This reduces the chance for breakage, as well as makes repairs a hell of a lot simpler. It's easy to strip another couple millimeters of wire. It's not easy to replace an entire bundle because you need an inch and a half to repair a break.
Once everything's wired up, hook it up to test it. I would suggest you do not hot glue anything except perhaps the cable to the inside of the project box as an additional strain relief. Maybe to anchor the PCB inside the box as well, but don't go fucking crazy with it. If you need to fix something, hot snot just makes it that much harder.
DO NOT LEAVE OUT THE RESISTORS OR CAPACITORS.
THEY COST PENNIES. IF YOU'RE MAKING RGB SHIT, YOU CAN AFFORD THEM
38ac45 No.14674012
I have a Commodore 1701, and I'm looking to connect my old SNES and Genesis 2 to it. I only had an RF switch for the Genesis though, so I bought this awfully chinese looking thing called "AV Cable For Genesis 2 Stereo" by a company called Sj.
What's the likelihood that I wasted my money on a piece of shit? And also what do people recommend for stereo speakers that don't get in the way? I have a very small space for this retro game setup.
d9573c No.14674089
>>14662288
>The asking prices for obsolete TVs online are ridiculous.
No, actually the prices are great. The shipping and handling is just absurd because they're heavy as fuck. eBay has cheap CRTs for "pickup only" as far as the eye can see.
>>14665159
>H I P S T E R F A G G O T S
>Implying hipsters even know what a CRT is
Kill yourself you gay little nigger
3556bd No.14674095
>>14674012
I have a Commodore 1702. God-tier monitor. near-PVM level quality albeit using a shadow mask instead of aperture grille. I wonder what the difference between the 1702 and the 1701 is. The only thing I can figure is the 1701 was sold alongside the Commodore Vic-20 while the 1702 was sold alongside the C64
0c1893 No.14674097
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14673944
Thank you very much for this info, but I have one follow-up question:
This guy mention that his NES is not yet RGB modded. Now does that mean I'd have to open up a console and mess around with it as well if I want to use the RGB breakout cable?
1e3b70 No.14674104
>>14674097
NES is a whoooole 'nother level. That involves installing an NESRGB board. You don't need to be a master at soldering to do it, it's all thru-hole, but you will have to commit a solid 4+ hours to the task, and you better have some good solder removal tools. I damn near lifted a trace from the PCB when I did mine. It's a stubborn little shit.
1e3b70 No.14674121
>>14674104
Worth mentioning that the NESRGB board also gives you S-Video. I installed both, because why the fuck not.
f529c7 No.14674679
>>14673159
Hope it wasn't the Marlboro edition, those fuckers are even rarer and more valuable than the regular truck.
If it's any consolation, at the end of the day the remaining examples are only going to become more cherished by their owners. I personally pray the mouthbreather who scrapped it has a nice accident in his Yukon or whatever the fuck bar of soap-looking garbage he decided to replace it with.
>>14666390
<nu-male
>for something that requires muscle to carry around
>for something that emits white noise designed to make everyone born after the year 2000 instantly combust
>for something that doesn't become an insurance write-off the second a controller/remote is thrown at it
=>Television manufacturers are THIS desperate /v/
227652 No.14674688
>>14673058
>implying it isn't just fun to shitpost CRT memes
1e3b70 No.14674689
>>14674679
I can't hear my Ikegami, but my Emerson fucking SCREAMS until it warms up.
0c1893 No.14674703
>>14674679
>white noise designed to make everyone born after the year 2000 instantly combust
I fucking wish
1e3b70 No.14674707
>>14674703
That sounds an awful lot like the flute from Zelda 1.
5d206c No.14674804
>being so afraid of a sharp pixel that you'll use obsolete technology that makes the image look blurry and shit
>willing to drop $500 on an old worthless piece of shit that most people throw away just to get a shittier image
I can sort of understand the input delay arguments, though I don't think it's that noticeable (to be fair, not into fightan so that might be it), and light gun games, even if there's not that many worthwhile ones, but this fucking fear of seeing a sharp pixel is a joke.
79ddb9 No.14674881
>>14674804
>CRT
>blurry
>implying this isn't the sharpest you'll ever see 240p
0fe7f6 No.14674905
>>14674881
Are you being ironic? Because that looks washed out and blurry as fuck. Then again Princess Crown isn't exactly the best looking game.
5d206c No.14674912
>>14674881
>>implying this isn't the sharpest you'll ever see 240p
Far from it.
1e3b70 No.14674923
>>14674804
>LCD
>"sharp pixels"
Confirmed for never having connected an analog system to an LCD.
1e3b70 No.14674930
>>14674905
CRT vs LCD, same exact image.
0fe7f6 No.14674933
>>14674930
Nobody cares that your flat screen is a piece of shit.
5d206c No.14674946
>>14674934
>inb4 someone tries to pretend that the CRT looks better in these images
1e3b70 No.14674954
>>14674933
This is literally how every flat panel handles analog 240p
>>14674934
This is more "Original hardware vs. modern emulation" than anything. The example I gave demonstrates an LCD's handling of non-native resolution analog video compared to a CRT.
79ddb9 No.14674968
>>14674954
It's original hardware in the image, one is using a scaler with RGB the other is a composite signal.
>>14674946
>still no argument
keep posting
96eefb No.14675079
What are the advantages of a PVM monitor over something like a CRT monitor you can pick up on craigslist for 30 bucks?
0c1893 No.14675091
>>14675079
reportedly a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally sharp image
4db1b2 No.14675105
>>14674012
It's probably fine, I've bought some similar new third-party AV cables and the picture quality is decent for composite.
>>14675079
Being able to use RGB on consoles as a burger.
79ddb9 No.14675158
>>14675079
depends what you want, if you're big into quality you can't beat them but if you prefer size, built in sound, are happy with composite or s-video, might as well just get a nice JVC, Panasonic, Sony, or Toshiba. Most consumer CRT monitors don't do standard definition, only 31khz 480p and up, but quite a few pro monitors will accept 15khz 480i/240p, 480p, 720p, 1080i. Basically if a pro monitor falls into what you want, go for it, but the price is pretty big in comparison to SD sets you can just find for free.
96eefb No.14675397
>>14675105
>>14675091
>>14675158
I'm only asking because I picked up a monitor in cragislist and it looks pretty sharp already. Kind of makes me wonder what the point of shelling out for a PVM is. What is the refresh rate of the average PVM?
1e3b70 No.14675416
>>14675397
PVMs aren't like a PC montor. They refresh at the same rate as most TVs
4db1b2 No.14675417
>>14675397
You're talking a PC CRT right? That'll do well with any console that does VGA, but the RGB output of old consoles isn't likely to be entirely compatible and may need to be converted.
PVMs just do 60hz/50hz if I recall correctly, given TV broadcasts didn't really exceed that and that's what they're meant for.
0c1893 No.14675433
>>14675397
Same as CRT television sets, 50 or 60 Hz depending on the region you bought it from.
ab540a No.14676034
>>14674946
>>14674934
>>14674930
I see this as a case-by case thing. The skeleton looks better on your LCD, but his shield and the brown monster looks better on your CRT. And I know color/contrast/hue can be adjusted, but in these pictures the blonde guy clearly has much more punchy colors on the LCD. But on the other hand, the CRT handles his linework, shading, and highlights better than the LCD does.
I personally prefer PC emulation on HD LCD monitors for games like 64, ps2, and wii/GC titles. But if I'm playing games comprised of pixelart, or consoles with odd ways of handling 3d objects and textures like ps1, saturn, or dreamcast, then I'd much prefer a nice CRT over my computer's monitor.
Either way, i say that people should stop focusing on CRT enthusiasts, and instead worry about console purists.
Seriously, fuck buying old consoles and shit, just emulate for god's sake.
I mean, shit, I'll accept people dropping cash for consoles that have shoddy/underdeveloped emulators like xbox. But people who already have a modern PC need to stop buying used snes/genesis/gamecube/wii/ps2/dreamcast consoles.
It's a waste of space, time, and money.
dc7ab9 No.14676121
>>14676034
Emulators still can't replicate a console experience and going from pc to sd crt is a nightmare. Do basic research into this.
4db1b2 No.14676157
>>14676121
You can get s-video directly out of most older video cards, and it's trivial to find a 3.5mm to phono converter. Going for the actual console is still the most foolproof option though.
dc7ab9 No.14676512
>>14676157
That's older video cards, so, i hope you like zsnes, nesticle and vba.
631e6a No.14679718
>>14676512
Why would anybody in their right mind call their emulator "nesticle"?
3689a4 No.14679877
>>14679718
>Millenial doesn't know about Bloodlust Software
I would explain but I can't be bothered to translate into emoji
957fc9 No.14680296
>>14666210
Retro Gaming Cables are legit but make sure to mention you have a Playstation if you order from them, even if you don't. Otherwise they'll sell you lower end cables that will scramble the signal
1e3b70 No.14689558
>>14676512
>he thinks emulators use the gpu at all
Also, did OP show what he got?
1e3b70 No.14689569
>>14676034
>tfw own most every console worth playing
>tfw all the optical based ones are backup-ready
>tfw slowly building a collection of flash drives
>tfw free from judaism soon enough
0fe7f6 No.14689622
>>14679877
I didn't realize those guys made nesticle, that's cool.
631e6a No.14689692
>>14689558
I might get something on 7th.
0cde6f No.14689703
>>14680296
This can't be true. Can it?
bbb869 No.14689749
>Want to record CRT for my VHS tape reviews
>Need camera with variable shutter speed so the refresh rate doesn't make the video flicker
>$2000 good boy sheckles
God damn it. Why is this so hard.
1e3b70 No.14689777
>>14689749
Why wouldn't you just hook up a vcr directly?
665c28 No.14690332
PVMs are a meme. They make 3D, prerendered graphics and FMVs look like absolute shit.
Consumer sets are better for everything that isn't pure pixel art.
6ddf2e No.14690982
>>14676034
I agree with everything you said except for Wii/GC, ps2 and DC. Emulation for those consoles is still lacking, and you're bound to run into issues with more unknown games and anything that uses an external peripheral like lightguns. Not to mention that getting a Wii and playing everything from a USB is retardedly easy, and you get Retroarch which gives you perfectly adequate Snes, Genesis, Nes and some others as well with 240p and even MSU-1 support. Getting a Fat ps2 and putting an IDE drive in it and installing fmbc gets you everything you need to run games on it for less than 50$, and I believe DC got some form of SD card reader in recent years.
79ddb9 No.14691009
>>14690332
No, they make everything look better. Better colors and more clarity. Especially once you get into the 480p area of things. 240p will be sharp as hell too.
bbb869 No.14691164
>>14689777
Youtube auto flags the things I want to review, so recording straight off a CRT with a camera gets around that. Also for aesthetics.
665c28 No.14691281
>>14691009
6th gen 3D is the exception. Too much clarity isn't a good thing. If it was LCDs would be king.
1e3b70 No.14691294
>>14691281
Who the hell wants their screen to look like they smeared it with vaseline? N64 owners perhaps, but not most people.
665c28 No.14691304
>>14691294
People who don't like rubbing their eyes with sandpaper, also.
79ddb9 No.14691310
>>14691281
LCDs problem isn't they are too clear, it's that they have shit color reproduction, shit viewing angles until recently, and no multi-scan. 240p 3D still looks better. There's a benefit to obscuring the picture with lower quality displays, but the meme that "oh the devs intended you to view everything through composite/rf on a low end crt because muh dithering" is far from the truth. They made the games (mostly) on high end picture monitors. There's a reason the type writer in Chrono's room in Chrono Trigger has individual keys. Dithering is also effective from a distance, not just from a low quality signal.
94115e No.14691317
I want to get a CRT to set up a cabinet for multiple light gun games. right now the best i have is a 24" CRT, but wanted something bigger. whats my best options here?
I don't think i can do sony wega TVs since they are flat and i believe light gun games fuck up on flat CRTs.
I do intend to eventually get a wide/flat CRT to hook my collection of old consoles to but right now theyre on my LCD.
665c28 No.14691343
>>14691310
Those shots of PD and Saga look terrible. Devs also had consumer sets for reference when viewing their pixel art.
631e6a No.14691366
>>14691164
wait what?
What are you reviewing, 80's loli porn?
79ddb9 No.14691379
>>14691317
flat ones don't necessarily ruin them but jvc has their dtv theaterview line that has a curved tube with s-video, component and several composite inputs, they're found in 27, 32, and 36 inch 4:3 sizes. You don't want a wide screen as these are mostly tubes with digital processing meaning light gun games will not work and 240p games (every system before dreamcast) will be upscaled, look blurry, and have its picture ruined. Pics are a Theaterview displaying genesis model 1 through composite.
79ddb9 No.14691400
>>14691366
Hey, Cream Lemon is a classic anime, up there with Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
>>14691343
Consumer sets in Japan were mostly outfitted with RGB and pretty much every photo of places like Sega's development teams in the 90s had numerous professional graphics monitors. Saga looks gorgeous, in and out of battle. On a pro monitor it only looks better.
665c28 No.14691428
>>14691400
Yes, RGB is possible on consumer sets, and it looks leagues better than on PVMs.
>Saga looks gorgeous, in and out of battle. On a pro monitor it only looks better.
Pic related.
79ddb9 No.14691440
>>14691428
nah, in every way RGB on a pro monitor is better than on consumer sets. Basic numbers in higher TVL, higher quality phosphor, finer dot pitches, etc. Do you have an actual argument or are you going to keep doing the tumblr routine?
94115e No.14691462
>>14691379
>>14691379
I think you misunderstand. i seperate my consoles with light gun games from my other consoles. i have a cabinet like picture related with a regular 24" CRT in it, but wanted to get something bigger.
using light gun games on something like a sony wega fucks with how the gun aims for some reason.
this i want in the standard aspect ratio.
right now i just have a PSX and NES but i intend to accumulate more light gun games for this cabinet setup.
I also want a 2nd CRT, preferably a 37" widescreen wega. for my regular consoles: atari 2600, neo geo, genesis, nes, master system, tg16, snes, n64.
Then next to that TV i have my 60" LCD with my PS2, dreamcast, xbox 360, ps3, ps4, and PC hooked to.
right now both of my CRTs are 24" very standard. one is a sharp and the other is a new-er gen zenith space command. i would like to upgrade within reason.
im not really looking to buy a CRT, but i like to look in want ads for people trying to get rid of theirs.
79ddb9 No.14691473
>>14691462
Oh, I follow you. The biggest widescreen wega is the XBR960/970 which is 34" diagonally. It's a huge set in person and it would be a poor display for the systems you listed. I see a lot of people getting rid of them on facebook market, craigslist and apps like let go.
665c28 No.14691478
>>14691440
>tumblr
Lol nice buzzword, faggot. Higher TVL =! better.
Having a TVL above 600 makes the image start looking like an LCD behind venetian blinds.
79ddb9 No.14691493
>>14691478
You don't even know what TVL is if you think it looks like venetian blinds. Here's a hint, it's the number of lines drawn from left to right, not from top to bottom.
94115e No.14691573
>>14691473
>it would be a poor display for the systems you listed
why is that? because of the widescreen alone? i thought it let you display it with black bars in the proper aspect ratio if widescreen isnt supported.
would a regular aspect wega be better?
keep in mind what im replacing. i own these 3 TVs and want to use 2 of them. right now the advent is my general use one that i wanted to replace with a wide wega.
the sharp/zenith were what i was considering using for my light gun games. leaning towards the sharp one.
79ddb9 No.14691625
>>14691573
Sure, I can explain it. Firstly most wide screen CRTs would pillar box in a 4:3 image with black bars (although some I've seen do it with grey bars which honestly looks nasty) but the problem is much deeper than that.
Widescreen CRTs, outside of a few made during the late 90s, are all HD ready sets. They tend to have digital tuners, they have support for 480p, 720p, 1080i, and SD 480i signals, but they almost always display those signals in an upscaled 1080i. This is digital processing which means the image received from the source isn't being drawn on the screen immediately, it is being re-sized, the image modified to be cleaned/smoothed, and not representative of the way these systems work. They often disregard 240p and consider it a degenerate signal, treat it like 480i and you get effects like pic related for things like half-refresh transparencies. This for you means lag, an uglier picture, a lack of sharpness or clarity (making the image look more LCD like) and of course, no support for light gun games which rely on the sync signal being directly in tune with the TVs electron guns drawing lines.
Your best bet is a standard definition TV. I think you could even consolidate everything you're running into that nice big Sharp, a theaterview like I posted earlier, and just use an input switcher for a good experience.
94115e No.14691674
>>14691625
interesting, so those HDTV ready sets are essentially putting out in HD through post processing? that sucks. even if you turn it off and set it manually for standard definition?… but thne i guess it would always just be a waste of space and not worth it.
right now my "platformers" are on the advent, and the light gun games are on the zenith. the sharp is being stored at a different house but i intend on moving it soon. all 3 TVs i own are 24".
i really want to have my light gun games on separate TVs. i like to sit on a couch while playing my other games, but the light gun games are in a cabinet because i tend to stand while playing. and its nice to just have the light gun games ready without me having to get the pedal/gun out every time and set them up.
i would like to have as large of a TV as possible within reason but i guess i'll just stick to finding regular old tube TVs.
the advent TV i own is flat, but is not HD ready or anything, it doesnt even have any form of progressive scan available.
1e3b70 No.14691681
>>14691625
To be fair, that processing is usually a hell of a lot better than the shit in any LCD on the market today.
1e3b70 No.14691710
>>14691317
The "Light guns don't work on flat face CRT" meme is a myth.
Light guns don't work on WEGA sets because they run at 31khz, not the 15khz standard CRTs use.
t. Someone who owns a flat faced SD CRT and a WEGA.
da00bd No.14691747
>>14674679
Hey, I'm 18 and have used a big CRT telly for a long time when I played the PS2 and Wii when I was younger. I still have it. Sadly, where I live CRT TVs aren't the hot shit like in Japan and America, where all the spergs seem to live.
79ddb9 No.14691748
>>14691681
it's better but still far from ideal and blurs the image and adds a delay, unfortunately.
>>14691710
only some wega are 31khz, 4:3 ones aren't. Flat screens can screw with the way the lines are drawn and I've seen odd work arounds like tilting the gun sideways can make it accurate.
>>14691674
I see what you mean, I personally use two CRTs for my consoles, both are multiformats and will handle the same HD and SD resolutions, but I find one is better at it than the other, it does end up meaning that one does see specific genres the other doesn't.
You can't disable HD processing on HD CRTs, you can adjust the picture but it won't be a world of difference. Try to hunt down a big mitsubishi or JVC like I described before. Those are great sets.
79ddb9 No.14691752
>>14691747
50hz PAL cancer is pretty gay tbh
da00bd No.14691756
>>14691752
Hey now, it was big and cool. I still have it. Want pics? No homo of course.
79ddb9 No.14691760
>>14691756
I do enjoy pictures of tubes in action.
da00bd No.14692044
>>14691760
I only have pics of it turned off. Are they still good enough for you? Another day I swear I will show it in action. I don't have any retro consoles and I use both PS2 and Wii with the left audio-right audio-video wire set up.
79ddb9 No.14692055
>>14692044
I do not like widescreen CRT, PS2/Wii would at least look pretty decent on it, especially if it's one of the odd widescreen games from the era.
da00bd No.14692078
>>14692055
I had a smaller and squareish CRT TV, but it broke in an accident.
1e3b70 No.14692162
>>14692044
Does it not have Component Video?
da00bd No.14692187
>>14692162
It has a socket that says "S-Video". Is that what you mean?
t. CRT illiterate.
79ddb9 No.14692200
>>14692187
component (red, green blue RCA) is usually on the back. Also since you're a yuro, rgb scart too.
1e3b70 No.14692394
>>14692187
S-Video is alright for most old systems, but check the back of the set, see what options you have back there.
c1f311 No.14693999
How normal is this? I found a pretty cool guide on how to adjust a CRT, but I noped away from the thing as soon as I saw those sparks. The geometry and color of this thing is fucked up.
097ceb No.14694109
>>14693999
>CRT open while plugged in
great way to get yourself killed
1e3b70 No.14694128
>>14693999
Be very fucking careful, those tubes carry high voltage, and one hell of a charge.
c1f311 No.14694131
>>14694109
>>14694128
I live dangerously, don't worry it's not the first one I opened and won't be the last one
3689a4 No.14694145
>>14692394
I'd argue S-Vid is better than alright, the gulf in image quality between composite and S-Vid is huge, from there going up to component is only marginally improved. Certainly if component/RGB is available then go for that, otherwise you're still in damn good shape with Svideo.
1e3b70 No.14694151
>>14694145
If he's got an RGB scart plug, no reason not to go all out. S-Video still has a fair bit of color bleed, though you're right about it being a massive jump from composite, especially on systems like the Genesis.
79ddb9 No.14694184
>>14693999
your annode doesn't seem like it's in there securely if that's what's happening. I imagine you were tinkering with it so make sure it's in good and flush against the tube. Otherwise inspect your flyback for any shorts.
c1f311 No.14694457
>>14694184
I haven't mess around with the anode, but I jerk it a bit anyway. It doesn't seem to want to come off of its socket. I'll leave the monitor unplug for a week and check it properly and the rest of the circuit.
so far :
I replaced the power switch, which was broken in haft
I Glued back parts that were cracked
I Fixed the discoloration by using a fridge magnet.
Replaced the missing sony logo and clean the thing
The sparks doesn't seem to affect the monitor itself, it powers on and is capable of being powered on for multiples hours, without any burn smell.
1e3b70 No.14694537
>>14694457
I just realized. Check the degaussing coil isn;t touching the tube.
1aa85b No.14694689
>>14691400
Cream Lemon is great, needs an uncensored digitally remastered release in the West
8126cf No.14695248
bbb869 No.14695656
>>14691366
What? No man, no. It's just that even when using 5 second clips youtube picks up on what I'm using & copyright flags it.
1e3b70 No.14699140
Hm… I wonder what this port is for on this old GPU I found in my closet.
1aa85b No.14699980
>>14695268
What, you don't like lonely lolis?
1e3b70 No.14700116
>>14699980
Take your loli shit to your designated shitting thread, thanks.
>>14693999
Check to see if the degaussing coil is contacting the tube.
ce41a1 No.14700213
>>14699140
That's one of those S-Video plugs that you could get an adapter to output component from the extra prongs. They're proprietary to the GPU but they're common.
bda8ec No.14700369
>>14699140
I have the adapter but i'm looking for an old gpu so i can have it output to my TV
9413b6 No.14700373
>>14699980
>>14694689
You know, besides Mark being a filthy pedo the fact that lolicon is an attraction to children is not a lie. Its an error and sickness.
1e3b70 No.14700401
>>14700369
The question is can I force 320x240 on that port…
ce41a1 No.14700405
>>14700401
On GNU/Linux and Windows XP? Yes. On Windows Vista and later? Maybe.
1e3b70 No.14700417
>>14700405
I can force it on my R9 380 over vga, so… In theory.
5840aa No.14700439
>>14700116
>>14700373
>they're afraid of lolis
Well, I don't blame you.
1e3b70 No.14700445
>>14700439
It's not the images I care about.