1005bc No.14623195
For a general discussion on these games.
I'm wondering about each game's linearity/openness in terms of level design. Is there a chart or diagram that shows the locations you visit, and at what point in the game? I remember seeing one for DS1/2/3. I'd like to know if there's something like that for DeS and BB as well.
b0c931 No.14623209
did you just try to spoiler tag in the fucking subject field?
1005bc No.14623213
>>14623209
yes, I fucked up
d4ce3b No.14623224
Soulslike > Soulsborne > Soulsclone > ARPG
99743f No.14623246
Friendly reminder that "soulsborne" is a garbage term and you should feel bad for using it.
af3940 No.14623311
679ff9 No.14623315
>>14623213
>soulsborne
no mercy
>>>/bog/
99743f No.14623335
>>14623311 (wasted)
yes.
>>14623315
I agree, too many Dark Souls threads. This is to be expected, though, what with the remaster's release date quickly approaching
e04803 No.14623461
>>14623246
I agree.
Soulslike is the proper term.
d2d81f No.14623465
>>14623195
I think a better term for Soulsborne (this shit must be filtered already to avoid further shitposting) could be the usually and better fitting ARPG
7ba2bf No.14625606
I give up, went to NG+ without killing Midir.
fbc410 No.14625639
ddace9 No.14625647
56674d No.14625654
>>14623335
>the remaster's release date quickly approaching
Aren't the changes mostly shit though? Basically "better graphics, but not really" and making it easier in general. I just don't see much of a reason to get this.
7ba2bf No.14625688
>>14625647
I had everything else I needed but not enough souls to get to a better level, I'd rather re-run and feel OP for a bit while reaching a higher SL and do more consistent co-op as well.
88f325 No.14625705
>>14625654
Well, supposedly they're going to have dedicated servers. In my mind that's a positive, but on the other hand, I don't see why they couldn't add all of these changes to the original game. It's not like the game is running on some new software; it's the same fucking game, and they could just patch it in order to improve it.
But, this is Bamco we're talking about here. They're just as bad as Konami, aren't they?
56674d No.14625727
>>14625705
I actually was interested in revisiting DaS for a while, because I couldn't play the multiplayer back when it was still running with gfwl. Dedicated servers would be nice in that regard, but that's not enough to justify buying a game I already own again. Might just fire up the original again one of these days.
ddace9 No.14625735
>>14625727
IMO its the most fun overall of all of them, although I have yet to play demon souls
05ea78 No.14625967
Jap games are starting to really intrigue me. The repeated use of the same themes, sequentially twisting them over and over, folding them if you will, makes a good case for Hypercrisis style connected worlds. Even if Demons/Dark/Blood do not exist in the same physical continuity their themes do. Repeatedly man is shown to barely be above beast, yet are hinted to have direct kindship to those they call gods. Lost arts are reborn anew, having never truly left. Churches are shown to be facades, miracles are shown to be homeopathic sorcery. Light can be the seat of evil, and dark can be the throne of martyrs.
Above all however, life is shown to burn brightest in struggle. It is the man who moves that is graced by fate.
62c424 No.14629970
>>14629880
Ancient Japanese story telling, folded over one thousand times, can cut philosophical untermensch in half.
83d676 No.14629990
>>14629970
Still to lengthy. Going to have to put it in laymans terms for me
0e3523 No.14630038
>>14625967
Except both light and dark are shown to be shit choices over and over. Oolaciele, New Londo, Drangleic, almost everything about Three. All I gathered from Dark Souls is that there is no right choice, just less shitty ones. Bloodborne is the only one with an actual “evolve into the Ubermensch” mentality. Maybe Demon’s Souls.
b7a210 No.14630063
>>14625705
>It's not like the game is running on some new software
What's the point of a remaster if they aren't going to fix their shitty port?
b7a210 No.14630072
>>14629990
jap do story gud
9844a2 No.14630095
>>14630038
Demon's Souls is just about overcoming the urge to take power. You can choose to succumb to the demon inside you and destroy the world are simply walk away and let Boletaria rebuild to what it once was, however, the means to remake it have vanished with the slumber of the Old One.
Don't get the abyss and darkness mixed up. Dark Souls has this really weird way of saying the same things, but meaning completely different situations. The abyss corrupts and destroys anything it touches, a twisted and horrific power that is a mockery of the dark. The light is that of the gods and the dark is that of humanity. The only reason you are told that the light is good is because trapboy and Frampt manipulate you as they benefit from the godly powers the light gives them.
25edd9 No.14630140
62c424 No.14630276
>>14629990
THE SESQUIPIDALION LUDONARRATIVE TRANSMIGRATION OF POLEMIC THAUMATURGY INTO A MYTHOPIATIC PLETHORA OF LILIPUTION JUNCTURES
9962d3 No.14631404
>>14630063
What do you think?
15f397 No.14631438
Personally I hate Soulshit and Period Fetishism the game, but Shadow Tower actually looks good, anyone know where I can download it for pc without having to get into Emulators.
1005bc No.14633341
This is what I was looking for, in case anyone was interested.
62c424 No.14633498
>>14633341
If only they saw this in development, could have had the route look like a Hanged Man
0e05f7 No.14633572
>>14633341
>Got stuck at biggie smalls with a 40 str no magic club build
>Didn't explore the side areas
>Only did like 12/29 areas
But a lot of the other stuff is rushed or unfinished? So it still ended up being like a third that I missed I guess
62c424 No.14633630
>>14633572
Only lost izalith was rushed. Everything else is as intended, more or less. Ash Lake is purposefully sparce, the undead asylum is doubled in space, the painted world of ariamis feels like good five dollar dlc having been the first thing they built to completion, and oolacile is pure magic.
The side areas are where the game's personality shines out of the gloom.
7daeb7 No.14634787
>>14623465
'ARPG' always makes me think of Diablo/Grim Dawn kind of stuff.
I don't really care whether or not jimmies are rustled by the potential pretentiousness of 'Soulsborne' or 'Soulslike' because they can be good descriptors.
7daeb7 No.14634832
>>14630095
I don't understand what made you think that the dark is separable from the abyss. Is this head canon? They might not be the same thing, but they could still be tied together by nature, rather than one being a mockery, whatever the fuck that means.
7daeb7 No.14634835
>>14630095
I don't understand what made you think that the dark is separable from the abyss. Is this head canon? They might not be the same thing, but they could still be tied together by nature, rather than one being a mockery of the other, whatever the fuck that means.
7daeb7 No.14634838
>>14634835
>>14634832
Delete post function isn't working. Oh well.
9844a2 No.14634843
>>14634832
The abyss and darkness are separate, at least from what I've gathered through items and the intro, in that one is a powerful temptation and corrupting force and the darkness is what birthed humanity, the opposite of light which birthed the gods. The abyss came after the separation of the age of dragons into light and dark. I don't think they wouldn't have made the distinction between dark and abyss if they weren't different.
e0777f No.14634856
>>14633572
>he couldn't beat Biggie Smalls
What club are you even using? Did you try killing Ornstein first?
I fucked their shit up six ways from Sunday with Great Club while at 23 str.
Wanna get invaded or something?
bd0ae1 No.14634886
>>14633341
Holy shit Bloodborne is tiny.
979df2 No.14634890
>>14633341
The areas in Demons Souls are all disconnected, so it would just look something like this.
45b926 No.14634901
>>14631438
Never imagined you can shove so much hipster in one post.
Congratulations.
1005bc No.14634917
>>14634886
What these charts don't show is the vastness and density of each area. Forbidden Woods is one of the more impressive ones.
Also (and this may sound contentious to some), but I think I prefer the level design and overall presentation of DS3 despite its linear world, over the open-ended nature of DS2. I feel like the latter has very few memorable areas, and some of them are just bad (Shrine of Amana and Black Gulch are damn slogs).
d0810e No.14634922
>>14623209
Yes. The people who push soulsborne are newfags are half-cucks. But can you honestly say you're surprised to learn of this?
5d0910 No.14635071
>>14634901
>If I don't like something everyone else likes then I must be a hipster.
No.
You can't do that.
It doesn't work that way.
Besides Front's pre Demon Souls titles look good, I'm not that much of a critic, that's why I asked if there was any way to play them on pc.
711cdd No.14635498
This is the official, objective and factual rankings:
DaS1:RE > BB:TOHE > DaS3:TFFE > DaS2:SotFS > DeS.
711cdd No.14635578
>>14635538
>didn't refute me because he knows I am right
>posts childish cartoons
kys
96a23b No.14635646
>>14635498
>putting DeS below DSII
>putting DeS below DSIII
96f8ab No.14635647
>>14634886
Size matters bro. Each of the areas are very detailed and are from large to huge, with the only two execptions being Lecture Hall and UCW. Meanwhile in most of the souls games there are quite a lot of large barren areas (Lost Izaleth, Smouldering lake) or tiny boss gardens (Consumed Kings Garden, The Abyss, Harvest Valley)
Also the Bloodborne map doesn't show the Chalices which easily triple it's effective area if you bother to go through them .
tl;dr, BB is quality over quantity, with chalices for people who reeeeeeally want a fuckton of quantity
7b1bf3 No.14635750
>>14630095
>Abyss isn't Dark
>The Abyss is a corruption of the Dark
You must've been indoctrinated by Vaati.
The Dark and the Abyss are used interchangeably by many characters throughout the series.
The reason why Gwyn sealed the Abyss as well as the Dark Soul was because human desires the Dark is extremely strong and virulent like a plague of locusts.
This is seen to its literal extremes in the Ringed City, where the Abyss stops spawning humans and spawns locusts instead. The Dreg Heap is basically the remains of cropfields after a locust attack.
The whole game was actually a commentary on humanity and how we're hellbent on following our destructive tendencies (to the point of destroying the entire world), despite having the capacity to do otherwise.
Also on how spineless and honourless we are, selling our fellow men for a paltry sum; like how the Pygmy Lords betrayed humanity by accepting Gwyn's prison colony.
And since Dark = Humanity, it's even in the damn name : Humanity Dark Souls.
711cdd No.14635801
>>14635646
You feel insulted? I don't care, post your platinum of Demon's Souls. You are either a hipster or a nostalgia high low IQ son of a whore.
DeS is absolute garbage compared to every game that came after it.
1. Demon's Souls has the worst world design: no world design at all, segmented and completely separated levels.
2. Demon's Souls has the worst game mechanic out of all the Souls games, World Tendency and locked content behind World Tendency. To effectively manipulate and control world tendency you are forced to play in offline mode (which is counterproductive to the online multi-player aspect of the Souls franchise) and to perma suicide in the nexus every time you have human form.
3. Demon's Souls has the worst healing system, don't even need to explain it.
4. Demon's Souls has the worst and easiest bosses out of the franchise, some of them can hardly be classified as bosses. The Blind Faggot doesn't even hit you once, attacks empty air. Dragon God and Storm King are such gimmicky garbage that they make Bed of Chaos look good.
5. Shortest game out of all the Souls games, with the biggest cut content and unfinished status, having the entire 6th archestone level cut out of the game. Shuhei Yoshida cut the funding and forced an incomplete game to be released.
Demon's Souls will always be the worst Souls game, it was nothing more than the alpha test for the Souls formula, which was perfected and solidified by Dark Souls, which became a world phenomena.
Demon's Souls never gets recommended, it aged like shit, that is why Bluepoint Studio is currently remaking it at 60fps, but since they won't change the flaws of the game, the game will still remain the worst Souls game, it will only look better and run better at 60fps.
Also, Demon's Souls ruined Dark Souls 3, everything bad in Dark Souls 3 can be traced back to Demon's Souls, if Dark Souls 3 was a pure mix of Dark Souls and Bloodborne, it would have been much better, but Demon's Souls inspired elements such as gimmicky garbage bosses, mana bar and weak world design ruined its potential.
96f8ab No.14635857
>>14635803
Wrong
BB=1>>>>>>>>2>>3>DeS
9844a2 No.14636450
>>14635750
I don't watch any of faagi's videos. I just thought they were making a distinction between the abyss and the dark is all. Otherwise they wouldn't have called it the darkness, they would have called it the Abyss. I mean, its not like shitty translation hasn't been in this series before. Sometimes they translate literally and other times they do catch the little meanings the jap version has.
617c72 No.14636498
>>14635801
Someone hasn't watched Matthematosis video
711cdd No.14636541
>>14636498
Why should I care what a garbage gamer has to say? That retard couldn't even play DaS2 properly (not using camera lock on target in group fights when surrounded) and blamed the game.
Mathewcucktosis is a joke, like the vast majority of the YouTube game review/critic celebs, they are are low IQ shitters with no skillz, fake gamers, wannabes, posers.
6312db No.14638102
>>14636541
>Defending DaS2 and dismissing one of the most thorough and fair youtubers because "muh 8chan 'youtube is shit' mentality"
Goooooooooddddddddddd shit. I haven't even finished DeS myself, and what I did play didn't appeal to me that much, but it's funny that the only thing that last post was trying to do was prove that some people do recommend the game, yet you sperged the fuck out about it.
4fd228 No.14638146
>>14638102
I'd like to think this post is being ironic but there are enough cuckchanners on right now that you could be sincere. You do a pretty good job of pretending to be a retarded nigger so props for that.
2d6573 No.14638223
>>14636498
There's plenty of reasons to criticies DS2, the opinions of an idiot who plays like shit and blames every one of his own mistakes on the game and on Miyazaki-kami not mindlessly signing off on everything.
7b1bf3 No.14638325
>>14636450
The Dark and the Abyss were always described as human nature : emotion, will, desire; as well as being capable of doing both good and bad things.
The only thing that could be described as a corruption of human nature Dark is the Deep, since all Deep related items describe the Deep as an evil force; never good.
My take is that the Deep is Ash Lake; since it has a massive body of water and its color scheme matches the Deep.
The Ash Lake was once a peaceful and sacred place (in DS1), and is probably located at the bottom-most part of the world.
The Deep talks a lot about dregs and sediments, and Aldrich's Age of the Deep Sea definitely involves a massive sedimentation process to forcefully make the sea level rise to snuff out the First Flame for good.
6312db No.14638342
>>14638146
And I'd like to think there's at least one person on 8chan who can back up an argument about something being shit with evidence but the last four years have left me sorely disappointed. Regardless, Mathewmatosis offers up some valid points in his reviews, and doesn't try to pass off his opinion as fact. Dark Souls 2 is deeply flawed and getting rabid about somebody not liking it doesn't exactly prove anything. It's fine to disagree, but deconstruction is far more effective than shit slinging when you want to address criticism
25edd9 No.14638356
>>14634890
200 hours in mspaint
a6cab8 No.14638395
>>14623195
This is probably the best you will get for demon souls OP, >>14638356 as for the other games they seem more open, but are often more linear if you don't have a special item chosen as a special gift. Such as the key that unlocks most everything in dark souls.
982bc3 No.14638396
MIGHT AS WELL ASK HERE
Does DaSIII run at 60fps on the bloodborne machine Pro?
7b1bf3 No.14638465
>>14635801
Fucking meme spacing
>>14636498
>>14638342
Literally who
Lorewise, DS2 introduces the ability to delve into the past through memories.
The intro movie where the protagonist jumped into the vortex is basically him time travelling back to the past through the ruins of Drangleic.
Similar to how the Pilgrims of Londor from The Ringed City era ventured to the ruins of Lothric in the Ashen Wastelands (from Gael's boss fight) in order to travel back into the past.
711cdd No.14640526
>>14638102
Learn to read you low IQ subhuman son of a whore. I am not defending DaS2, I am saying Mathewcucktosis is a retard and shit at gaming. DaS2 is my second lowest rated game.
DaS:R > BB:TOHE > DaS3:TFFE > DaS2:SotFS > DeS.
>>14638465
Not an argument, kys low IQ subhuman son of a whore.
9dcc03 No.14640636
After replaying DS2 and having a good time, i went to replay 3 and i have to say… it's shit. Last time i played it was on release and i didn't go directly from 2. My biggest qualms with it, one evident right away, is the speed of everything. It's MUCH faster than DS2 which generally results in a clusterfuck. Most of the times i'm forced to keep on attacking because the poise system is even more broken, thanks to the speed of the combat, as enemies recover way too fast so it's either R1 spam until enemy is dead, or get away and risk getting hit by a gap closer/enemy dash. When the enemy is somewhat bigger but not a boss you have to treat it like a boss anyway, as in dodge, hit once, dodge, etc. It's amazing how they managed to dumb down the combat to spam and hit&run, and it didn't seem to be there in DS2 or i didn't notice it yet as i had not played many hours consecutively
Then there's the world. There's bonfires everywhere, ambushes everywhere that get really fucking stupid after a while. Oh there's a chest? Let me lock-on. Yep, enemy above. Oh there's a hallway? Yep, 1 enemy in the open and 1 ready to jump from behind. Oh there's an item there? Yep, 3 enemies behind that corner over there ready to jump you. But you catch my drift, so far i've fallen for none of them and they seem to be there just to slow down progress, thing that again i didn't notice in DS2. Enemies were in plain open and to get from point A to B you fought them, with exploring and looting on the way. Exploring and looting in particular seem to be more tedious as the level is convoluted forcing you to jump down places only to circle around, so again you waste more time on the same place than you should.
Enemies are another great disappointment. Most of the time they're just a blob of mess, a clusterfuck of textures with no weight behind them. Size or form don't relate to the speed at which they move and attack, they're scripted horrendously and they read your commands. So for example if they're at a distance you raise your shield or drink your estus and they charge the moment you press something, you press nothing they circle around a bit with their shield raised. They have no shield? No problem they'll literally spam one of their 2 movesets 5 times in a row. From the looks of it there doesn't seem to be that many AIs, there's crazy guy with sword that attacks super fast but also keeps on attacking when you go behind him, guy with lance that pokes after your hit his shield, bigger guy that smashes his weapon on you etc… Once you're used to one the rest become trivial.
I've also had a lot more "good hitbox" and "bad hitbox" moments here in DS3, where i've had a sword graze my face and took no damage but i've also been frontbackstabbed by a regular enemy or teleported from behind an enemy to his front grab attack.
Leveling your character is a mess too. Weird softcaps, stats you're forced to take or some outright useless. This wasn't there in DS2 or even 1, where you just dumped enough levels in damage and the rest went into HP and stamina.
Some other minor things like the split estus, changing covenant on the spot, obscure NPC questlines, MOTHERFUCKING INVADER THAT CAN HEAL THEMSELVES, reused assets and meme pandering just to name a few, are also bothersome. Coming back to it years later after having already played it once really showed how much of a rushed mess with cut corners it was, an obvious money grab that i'm suprised didn't get a "SotfS" remake. PVP i won't even comment on, complete garbage.
To end, after seeing all this, everyone that says 3>2 is simply baiting at this point.
9844a2 No.14641050
>>14640636
I want to point out quick that some of the things you mention are in DSII. NPC invaders can heal which is one of the most bullshit things to encounter, especially when you are low on estus yourself. I think, and maybe this is just me, that some enemies in DSII also read inputs because I've had times where I go to heal as I thought I had time to because the enemy was circling around for a few seconds, only to be ran down and killed in one of their bullshit combo charges (Bastard sword hollow soldiers are the worst offenders of this). There are also a couple places where I feel that they shoved enemies into places to make them "harder" such as the Allone knight ambush in Iron Keep. Enemy grabs are shit in all of the games. Their hitboxes are wildly inconsistent no matter if it's Iron Golem's grab between his legs to many boss grabs in II to the gropefest that is DSIII bosses and enemies. I don't recall any bosses in Demon's having grab attacks besides Allant, but his soulsuck is easy to avoid and has a really well done hitbox consistency.
a08240 No.14641167
>>14640526
>low IQ subhuman son of a whore.
59a520 No.14645862
>>14640526
Learn to write coherently first.
59a520 No.14645901
>>14645893
>I wasn't even trying to argue with you, you filthy piece of maggot-infested congealed mongrel shit.
Take your reddit-tier insults and leave.
06583f No.14648962
9e94f9 No.14651733
Just call them JRPGs retards.
9ecb61 No.14651771
3>1>BB (if it was running at 60 fps)>DeS>BB (as it is now)>2
Fact
5e750e No.14657976
>>14651733
>Dark Souls is a JRPG
>Calls others retards
45be99 No.14657999
>played all of the dorks from des to das3
>gonna play bb
>pick deprived as always
>lame ass weapon is the first you get
>silky smooth 20fps with constant drops
>annoying first level with infinite fodder enemies who can attack you between blows
Did I outgrow dorks or is BB just kinda shit at least at first?
d7b570 No.14658052
>>14625705
>>14630063
They are fixing the port, it's the new iteration of PhyreEngine used for DaS3 / BB, also ported by a competent dev, not Fromsoft themselves. Still, >>14631404 applies.
>>14657999
You shouldn't really have issues with the enemies, crowd control and perma staggering enemies is very easy in BB, especially in the first area. BB is definitely the most polished out of the five, apart from the frame pacing issue and the 30fps, which are fucking terrible.
>>14651771
Fuck off with your ranking bait posts
>linear souls 3: no poise reddit pvp recycled content edition
>better than anything
dd86f2 No.14658054
>>14657999
You clearly didn't outgrow getting your shit kicked.
d7b570 No.14658056
>>14657999
forgot to add:
>>lame ass weapon is the first you get
You have a choice of three weapons, which one did you get? They are all very good and can easily get you through the entire game, especially the saw cleaver.
7daeb7 No.14658066
Nintendo Switch port got delayed. I wonder what for.
The Twitter tears are delicious. I can't fathom being bothered by this. A port of a 7-year-old game is being delayed by a few months, probably over something totally mundane. It's a damn port, and these people are crying over not getting to play it sooner. What the fuck is wrong with them?
d7b570 No.14658077
>>14658066
>I wonder what for
Performance concerns, 100%. The switch is nothing but a Tegra X1, additionally underclocked when mobile, it'll take a bit of work to get it running on that thing. It's a miracle they managed to get Doom running on it.
25edd9 No.14658134
>>14658077
>Tegra X1
>Only slightly better than a Tegra 3
So the switch is only a bit more powerful than a fucking Ouya?
a6631b No.14658151
>>14638465
DS2 is all but not cannon now. Half of the game was gutted and was made into ds3. Look into the art books. And same with story.
979df2 No.14658185
>>14658066
>What the fuck is wrong with them?
They bought a Switch, so further retarded behavior shouldn't seem very unusual.
9844a2 No.14658188
>>14658151
Are you sure? I'm thinking Miyazaki kept the "good" parts of DS2 such as the titty tube top and the Fume U.G.S. so that way he can have a reason to say "I payed attention to fans of both games." He also threw in Earthen Peek for some reason.
242859 No.14658224
>>14658066
Likely performance issues. The Switch version was running at image parity with the PS4/bone/pc releases, just half framerate. Problem is it's not a system half as powerful as xbone, let alone PS4. Definitely needs more attention than the other platforms.
d7b570 No.14658228
>>14658134
No, the Tegra X1 is significantly faster than the Tegra 3.
>GPU
T3: 12 cores, 416-520Mhz
TX1: 256 cores, 1Ghz
>CPU
T3: 1,2-1,6Ghz x4
TX1: 2,5Ghz x4 plus additional low power quad core
But it is obviously very underpowered compared to PS4/X1, not to mention PS4 Pro and X1X.
5cc479 No.14658246
So what's with the symbiote disease some enemies in DaS3 have? Like the first boss and some villagers? I was hoping that would be a theme in the game but it just turned out to be pointless.
9844a2 No.14658285
>>14658246
Apparently, it's something called "the pus of man" which is a manifestation of the deep corruption of the Abyss.
ffb575 No.14658291
>>14658066
>first announced at some Nintendo direct
>not switch exclusive
>switch version running with lower fps than the other versions
>gets delayed due to performance issues because shitty tablet hardware
Nintendo is becoming more of a joke each day
2782d1 No.14658310
>>14658188
You think its just a coincidence that ds2 have same element of the story but overly ambiguous? Same "go, look for the thrones of the kings", same old last giant, only now finished. And a fucking visual downgrade.
Do these pictures look like they are related to ds2?
In ds2 dlc you fuck around kings and their thrones as main part of the story. In ds3 you do the same fucking thing but now with explanation. Even same fucking giant lord but now looking like it was supposed to be without anusface.
>>14658246
If you believe "official translation" they are imperfect dragons. But what is more likely that they called "serpent abominations or some variation of word failed/imperfect/wrong". They are symbol of the undead.It might be related to jew serpents and this whole religion of lothric in more ways than one. But you can just say that its regular abyss corruption, all of it is just speculation with no value. They are not related to anything in any meaningful way.
9844a2 No.14658397
>>14658310
I honestly never looked at the concept art for the games besides Demon's RIP sixth archstone
Speaking of anusfaces, what is b-team's obsession with making enemies that have assholes for faces?
>both smelter demons
>all of the giants
>Duke's Dear Freia's neck assholes
One of the things I'll put DS2 over III is fashion, though. You can quickly point out different types of players by the armor they wear and the combinations they make.
>butthole Havels are tryhard dicks
>Drangliec armor wearers are new players
>cosplayers are the best and most fun of the bunch
>F A S H I O N souls are the single greatest type of player, both skill and entertainment
01a825 No.14658418
>>14658310
My hot take on the similarities between DS2 and DS3 are that Miyazaki gave the team his loose ideas on what he wanted to put into the next game, and they fucked up large portions of it to the extent that Miyazaki decided to actually do it correctly when he had the chance. A lot of the environments/enemies/concepts in DS2 are still there in DS3 if you look at them a bit more abstractly.
ccf51d No.14658437
>>14658397
>Speaking of anusfaces, what is b-team's obsession with making enemies that have assholes for faces?
Just poor quality. Its the same giant lord in both games, only in one it looks like literal ass.
Artbooks.
Bloodborne_Official_Artworks.rar 189.1 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!qcwSQSTZ!zVwh1ClzRciQ0ZQ1fhsCMmGM0WZirecSpdh-tCk0FeY
dark souls 2 design works.rar 244.9 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!7ZIXwa6B!zcfj_XivIXa4XhhuPIwqSqtTvfxmv9g7Kyao4-MTqSE
DARK_SOULS__8545_-_Artbook.pdf 25.6 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!fJZwnbTb!6bWG3oplVvAyuMoWMe6IiKq4u1KZfIFs4Zc-4CBKyUw
Dark_Souls_Design_Works.rar 163.6 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!vZAyBQQD!DVfUeIWPJeUJkxIwrzuzNkUJ_-ebZQc_t5iFNSpis8M
DARK+SOULS+III+DESIGN+WORKS-DARK+SOULS+III+DESIGN+WORKS-+(ファミ通の攻略本)_nodrm.zip 122.1 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!zZpz1JoK!3PUt2QEXMRbfF8mMVa5vI68QebPazzeN4mMmX00GynU
Demon_39_s_Souls_Official_Art_collection.7z 145.8 MBhttps://mega.nz/#!fR400KRC!CO6lZNj3RECh11mmdfejo_6o2QDMH0d5dnbKgJaD_jw
I think its all artwork I have.
>>14658418
>A lot of the environments/enemies/concepts in DS2 are still there in DS3 if you look at them a bit more abstractly.
That is what I said. But I think they deliberately make ds2 worse. You cant fucking make a game with a story filled only with "but perhaps…" bullshit accidentally.
9844a2 No.14658453
>>14658437
I'm going to have to download this later. My download speed is being a shitter for some reason. But I peeked into the BB one and it looks amazing.
5cc479 No.14658461
Anyone here legitimately getting the remaster?
>>14658285
>>14658310
I was hoping the evil serpent goo to be a what they tried to do with giants in DaS2
ffb575 No.14658490
>>14658396
>B- b- brainlet!
>I d- didn't sp- spend 400 bucks on a sh- shitty tablet!
Just kys Nintendrone, it's pretty obvious that they're having trouble optimizing the game for that shitty chink tablet
2782d1 No.14658492
Oh, and on related note, some ds2 bullshit is related to poor translation.
http://00tn2.blogspot.fr/2014/08/dark-souls-2.html
Good quote from there.
>It was translated by someone who clearly didn't care about continuity and just wanted to be really pretentious.
9844a2 No.14658584
>>14658492
>b-team gets a b-team translation
Wow did that game get shafted hard. Demon's, DaS, DaSIII and BB all have stellar translations with some minor differences such as boss names not being translated literally. But that's a minor point when the idea behind the boss is still conveyed entirely. 2 is such a cluster fuck, but it's the only game with a competent PvP aspect. Too bad the PvE is a magnet tracking, unending gangbang.
8568bb No.14659670
>>14658490
The PS4 was basically an outdated prebuilt when it came out five years ago. Pretty sure that chink tablet which the game was remade for in the first place is perfectly capable.
d7b570 No.14660742
>>14659670
The PS4 has much faster hardware than the Switch if you were trying to imply anything
3d5d5c No.14662100
>>14633572
>But a lot of the other stuff is rushed or unfinished?
yes
you've pretty much experienced the best 1 had to offer already.
5a4b9e No.14662270
I just beat DaS3, but still no fucking DLC sales. I have it on good authority the DLCs are great. Now I'm torn between doing some DaS speedruns or maybe try DeS. There's just no fucking way I'm paying full price for DLCs.
b1e327 No.14662274
How the fuck did Dark Souls get popular on consoles? I had a copy on the 360 I got as part of my subscription, back when I was dumb enough to have XBL because my friends said it'd be fun to play games together. I never really played it and forgot completely why for the longest time. Then, after finishing up Bloodborne and having a taste for more, I booted up the old 360 and immediately remembered why I dropped it. The game runs at all of about 17 fucking FPS.
Would it be worth the download to get it for the PC, or should I just get DSII or DSIII?
5a4b9e No.14662296
>>14662274
> booted up the old 360 and immediately remembered why I dropped it. The game runs at all of about 17 fucking FPS.
I call bullshit. I beat DaS and the DLC on 360 first, and then bought Prepare to Die for PC. On an i5 6600k @ 4.5ghz 16Gb GTX1060 6Gb I really only see marginally better frame rates in a couple zones at some very specific vantage points.
>Would it be worth the download to get it for the PC, or should I just get DSII or DSIII?
No because it's the same, and DSFix while uncapping the FPS destroys the physics. I can't in good faith recommend DaS2. Especially someone new to the franchise. I would say start with DaS or just skip right to DaS3 PC. The only benefit to buying DaS1 again for PC would be Prepare to Die edition and higher resolutions/texture quality.
7daeb7 No.14662313
>>14658461
I'm thinking about it, but just because I really want to invade people going through the game and not duelists.
Definitely not sold on it, though.
3cddb0 No.14662319
So is any of DaS2 canon to the first and third games? Moreover, how do 1 and 3 fit in with each other, besides stuff like Anor Londo reappearing.
I've seen a lot of very interesting theories (especially ones linking DeS and BB), but have had trouble finding any concrete information.
4dc6e3 No.14662367
>>14662319
"The flow of time is distorted" etc.
I'm pretty sure that's it.
>>14662296
>DSFix while uncapping the FPS destroys the physics.
It works fine at solid 60 fps for me. Not once have I gotten a terrible game breaking bug with the physics that I don't get in stock standard 30 fps.
Going beyond that, though, I wouldn't count on it working so well. It seems like I take more fall damage but that's negligible or just placebo effect taking place.
Your other points stand though.
5a4b9e No.14662390
>>14662367
>It seems like I take more fall damage
That, plus shorter jump distances and a few other things happen because the programmers tied physics calcs to the frame render pass. No placebo; it's literally designed for 30fps.
8bafcc No.14662398
>>14662390
I can still do all the necessary jumps and drops, though.
4dc6e3 No.14662460
>>14662398
This, actually. All of them are doable and about as hard to get over like normal at 60. I can get over to Crestfallen Merchant without any problem. And as I said, fall damage increase is pretty much negligible.
bd0ae1 No.14662503
>>14658066
>Solaire of Astora amiibo
It didn't have to be like this.
36cc2d No.14662532
>>14662503
I really do blame the consumer more than Nintendo. Imagine if the first few amiibos had awful sales. They would've given up on the concept.
Instead, people bought them. God knows why, don't they mostly include microtransaction crap?
9eed26 No.14662561
>>14662503
On the one hand, I'm pleased that there's more physical Souls merch out there, especially stuff that's official
On the other hand, why not make it the fucking Elite Knight/Oscar? Or a bonfire? The two things that were used to announce the game, two of the most iconic designs in the series? It's like if DS3 was released and also got a figure, but instead of using the Soul of Cinder they went with the CONNIPTIONS guy instead
9844a2 No.14662669
>>14662561
Because Solaire is the meme character. How many Astoraboos do you see running around using Praise the Sun and Solaire's armor compared to Oscar cosplays using Crest shield and A.s.s. heh
What would have been worse is if they used Giant Dad or, god forbid, Oroboro. I would have prefered Havel, but that's just me
bd0ae1 No.14663861
>>14662669
>>14662561
I like Solaire but I think he rather over represented.
Valtr is superior.
ae63bd No.14664041
I'm trying to find hosts to help in scholar but nobody is fucking summoning anywhere. Maybe my memory is too far past the areas. I was really looking forward to flexing this stupid support hexer build.
626e41 No.14664079
>>14633341
Tomb of Giants should have linked to Lost Izalith or Demon Ruins.
9844a2 No.14665176
>>14664041
What's your SM? I have a new character named Sister Dalia that I can summon you for if you want to go for Jolly Co-op.
9225ce No.14665292
Clearly there needs to be a desert sorceress figure.
96a23b No.14667145
>>14658437
been looking for these for a while now anon, thanks for the links. The artwork is great and I've always been a bit depressed by all the neat ideas that never made it in, especially with DSII.
>>14665292
ah, a man of taste
>>14658052
>They are fixing the port, it's the new iteration of PhyreEngine used for DaS3 / BB
have a link for that one anon? First I've heard of it.
ae63bd No.14667216
>>14665176
right now about 910k? I was trying to get pulled for the Mirror Knight fight, seems to be the only luck i've had getting summons other than Smelter. I don't even know if the hex is worth it, -200 defences from Whispers of Despair sounds like a lot but how does it actually measure up? Toxic Mist is toxic mist though. Takes more than two casts to lop it on MK if the host summons more than one phantom however.
9844a2 No.14667753
>>14667216
I think I'm around that same level. I just got to Brightstone caverns or whatever that fucking piece of shit place is called.
fbc410 No.14673200
>>14665292
I'm genuinely surprised there isn't one already.
b4c61a No.14673226
>>14673200
Has anyone ripped the model to confirm if she has a face in DaS2?
96f8ab No.14674705
BB veteran getting back into DS3, what's a working but unorthodox build to go with? Already used Scythes though
9844a2 No.14675610
Spear or halberd builds. They don't have that many moves and eat up shit tons of stamina but they are really great for keeping the more annoying enemies at bay. the DS2 halberd/red hilt halberd spin2win WA and the spear lance-a-lot WA are great too.
9844a2 No.14675611
fbc410 No.14683259
>>14673226
Don't think so.
96f8ab No.14685969
Alright fuckboys own up, which one of you did this
>>14675610
That's the SplitleafGS/ Crucifix meme I've heard about isn't it? I'll try, thanks m9
fbc410 No.14694787
>>14685969
But the turks are the roaches.
92b4d1 No.14699513
>>14694787
Cockroaches can survive a nuclear bomb which I guess is why that was the insult used.
fbc410 No.14709150
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8b9fd9 No.14709644
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>>14638396
It has a 60fps cap but only rarely hits that number. Usually it's around 45-55fps. Video related.
I would play it on PC if you can at all. It's not a difficult game to run at 60fps.
425265 No.14718147
>>14640636
I still fucking miss my DS2 spells man, i mean Spells back was a legitimate threat and will ruin your day when you were invaded by a faggot spamming Heavenly Thunder or Scraps of Life. In Dark Souls 3 however? Well too bad, you'll have to hardcap your faith (gimping your other stats) and equip 2 rings just to (barely) get to DS2's level of damage, not to mention that you have spend stupidly high magic points just to deal pitiful damage towards an enemy, and even then they could dodge it entirely. Oh by the way, you can't buff infused weapons now, 'why. And if you even want to attempt a paladin / sorcerer / hexer character then i sure hope you like gimping yourself for around 2/3rd's of the game since you won't get any good spells until then.
>inb4 b-b-but you have these pissweak spells in place of it
It's a piece of shit and anyone could do better damage by using a raw-infused weapons and using a bundle of it. Playing through the game as a sorceror / miracle build is a fucking pain. Atleast Pyromancy is somewhat viable at early game yes, i know that they gimped it by completely locking it behind faith / int unlike in 2
Fuck man i want to hate the fucking game and its dogshit PvP, but its bosses and world design just made it slightly bearable to play compared to DS2's haphazardly stitched 'world'.
>>14658437
Thanks for these artworks anon, really appreciate it.
>>14663861
>Valtr
>not the Executioners
pleb still ok tho
c5d975 No.14720106
>>14709644
>I would play it on PC if you can at all. It's not a difficult game to run at 60fps.
Better to play it on the hardware it was designed for (i.e. the PS4).
ebeb8c No.14720441
After giving it some thought I don't think I ever had more fun in Soulsborne Multiplayer than release Belfry Luna. There was something fucking magical about the practical shitposting that occurred in that fucking madhouse. Too bad Belfry Sol lost a lot of the fun, most of Lunas appeal was the verticality I think.
25bbe8 No.14721360
>>14720441
You can still get some fun out of it now. I was messing around as a bellbro for those sweet chunks and I can count the number of smart players on one hand.
>there is a hole above me
<better stand under it!
>they're shooting arrows at me from the hole!
<better run to this tiny fucking bridge and chug estus while they pelt me with fire arrows
I will say, I did feel sorry for one guy. I invaded, then two seconds later a second guy invaded, then two seconds after that a fucking third guy invaded. We anally raped this poor guy so hard he probably committed suicide in real life.
c5d975 No.14725390
>>14720441
Soulsborne multiplayer was better before the PC ports to be honest.
b4838b No.14725439
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7377b6 No.14731217
>>14721360
if that guy was a sorcerer who already cleared the entire tower when you arrived, he was me
i'm alright
a63a94 No.14731263
Can someone recommend some qt armor for a girl character in DS3?
4585b5 No.14731277
Why do these games have no attractive women in them?
48721c No.14731528
4585b5 No.14731534
>>14731528
Because i want to fuck some women in depressing times.
25bbe8 No.14731731
>>14731217
I wanted to hold back, but the other two crashed the belfry, with no survivors. We all jumped off of the bridge after.
>>14731263
There is the Maiden set, Dusk of Oolicile and Sirris' set that are nice for female characters. Speaking of which, I'm surprised the maiden set wasn't a female only set for female miracles builds. It's obvious the one in Dark Souls is based off of Astraea.
25bbe8 No.14731780
>>14731731
*in Demon's Souls
Wew, that's a pretty important part I left out there.
8a2815 No.14731924
So
>oldfag without alot of time for gaming
>played friends PS3 for years
>he had DeS
funny cuz he hates it and only kept it for me
>played the fuck out of it, platinum, 100%
>finally got my own PS3 used for cheap back in 2014 so I could play DeS again
>finally decide to get DS
>played the fuck out of it, platinum 100%
>decide to get DS2-sotfs (calib 1.13) this past Jan
>busy doing car repair, carpentry - rebuilding a deck, adult stuff etc
>just started a few days ago
So is there any item dupe like in DeS/DS ???
I don't have 4 hours a day to sink into leveling.
Seems like the only thing in this DS2 version is item dupe-drop between friends online
cc6225 No.14731943
wich 2hu is the dark souls of 2hus
cc6225 No.14731947
>>14731943
rumia's pretty dark so it's her, right
cc6225 No.14732009
>>14720441
>buy DS2 on PS3
>gain a solid understanding on pvp mechanics and noob psychology
>buy again on PC launch
>wreck everyone's shit in Luna
Those truly were the days
7377b6 No.14732048
>>14731731
small world. [spoiler]our meeting was fated. post your steam.[spoiler]
7377b6 No.14732057
>>14732048
i broke my spoiler and can't delete the post. you have to heal the timeline, traveler.
d92da2 No.14734468
a63a94 No.14734496
>>14732057
>>14732048
You have to go back to cuckchan.
29ec57 No.14734525
>>14732048
>>14732057
>[spoiler]
>i broke my [spoiler]
fedc99 No.14734760
>>14732048
>>14732057
>using [spoiler]
>fucking roleplaying
offtopic: which games progresses in such way where light becoming evil (or obsessive with bringing "light") and darkness was actually (or is becoming, as well) a chill kind all along?
d92da2 No.14735114
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ab3864 No.14735444
I got DaS 3 for $17, so I'm going to be playing that for the next couple of weeks. I never finished 2 as it was pretty shit, but I played the fuck out of DaS and was into invading for a while. What's the meta in 3, and what are some fun weapons/builds to use going in? I've played a bit with a pirated copy, but I want to invade, preferably invade players playing normally, as that's always loads of fun. Maybe a greatbow?
b4838b No.14735488
>>14732009
>admitting to falling for the double dip scheme
25bbe8 No.14735621
>>14735444
The meta is the dank sword and the Carthus CGS. That's almost it. Don't bother with any armor besides literal rags and invest in a quality or luck build. The only good bow in Dark Souls 3 is that DLC greatbow that makes the arrows explode. Honestly the game is just so boring and you come across the same builds being used over and over that it becomes a chore.
>invade
>it's another 3 man gank all using straight swords
>black crystal out
>invade
>it's another 3 man gank all using straight swords
>black crystal out
>invade
>it's another 3 man gank all using straight swords
>get seeded
>die
>rinse and repeat
The only time invading was fun for me was in Anal Rodeo mini edition. However, I was completely destroying people with Artorias flips when they invaded me. I guess nobody expects their enemy to use the weapon arts for that thing. I would bait people with the flip by starting it far from them so they would think I had a bad connection and I was going to whiff, but one hundred percent of the time they would get pancaked.
60992f No.14735695
>>14735621
Wasn't the Carthus CGS speed nerfed ages ago? There is absolutely no reason to use any curved greatsword that isn't the exile save you don't know how to perform the respec glitch. The dank sword is also outright inferior to the Lothric straight sword, and using the Gotthards one handed still has superior range albeit lower damage. The Dank sword is held back too much by its shitty R2, while the Lothric Knight Sword has a fantastic R2 and additional counter damage.
60992f No.14735722
>>14735621
As for Armor Morne's chest plate and Dancer's gauntlets are amazing. Wear whatever else you want as long as you're actually wearing something in all slots.
ab3864 No.14736002
OK since that last bit got me nothing
What weapon should I use for my next character
60992f No.14736020
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25bbe8 No.14736639
>>14735695
They did nerf the Carthus, just like they nerfed the dank sword by a whole 12 AR. Straight sword is the overall meta and it's annoying as fuck. The game is missing everything fun such as the Trident spear and powerstancing. Those faggoty "special" weapons can't replace the feeling of swinging around two chicken legs.
520a81 No.14737175
>>14736002
Spiked Mace/ Soldering Iron/ Whip on a Pyromancer Dominatrix Character Exile Mask, DesertPyro Set
a63a94 No.14737196
>>14658066
> I wonder what for.
Probably to match up with the release of the Solaire Amiibo and make Nintendo some dosh.
e330f8 No.14737716
>>14663861
>>14662669
Nah, Father Gascoine is the true bro of the series
b03fce No.14738549
>>14623213
The first step is to admit you made a mistake, the second step is to sudoku yourself
520a81 No.14738929
>>14737716
Factually correct
ab3864 No.14739878
I used a cracked red eye orb on Lothric Wall
It's the first time I've ever used a cracked orb as opposed to a normal one in any souls game. I actually invaded and killed the host
Neat
I've never really looked into armor mechanics, and in 3 I've heard poise does nothing. What armor should I use for my great mace build, and why?
704e94 No.14742088
>>14738929
What the fuck did the artist do to that girl's nose? Did he decide she was Jewish?
240800 No.14742109
>>14742088
Both Yharnamites and Jews are bloodsuckers. Go figure.
50d442 No.14742611
Coming from Dark Souls 3 into the remaster what should I know? Is faith as bad as in DS3?
b9fe1f No.14742647
>>14742611
Nope. Magic and faith got fucked over in DSIII. Pyro, Dex or Strength is the only viable pathways.
520a81 No.14742718
>>14739878
Armour is dependant. In DS1/2 armour was relatively important, but in BB/DS3 its mostly cosmetic. If you want to max out a single elemental resist, you can actually mitigate quite a bit, but for physical absorption its basically nothing. (Always max the general resist out, Strike/Thrust/Slash attack types are much rarer in their own right)
Poise used to be how many hits you could take before you got staggered, allowing big weapons with slow swings to operate without being stunlocked. In short for DS3 it only dictates how hits you can take while you have hyperarmour such as for a weapon art (hyperarmour-armour). It's kinda useful for large weapons with slow weapon arts (Double DLC greatswords etc) but overall the stat is extremely niche instead of something vital for most builds.
For example
>DS1
-Man smacks you with rapier
-Get stunned
-Have max poise
-Character model won't move
>DS3
-Man smacks you with rapier
-Get stunned
-Have max poise
-Get stunned
-Using Stomp weapon art
-Man smacks you once and the weapon art is cancelled
-Mid level poise
-Man smacks you 3 times and the weapon art it cancelled
-Max pose
-Man smacks you as many times as he wants, but the art gets executed
Funny thing is, is that there is a value in DS3 that literally reverts poise back to the way everyone wants it, but it is 'turned off' (hence the meme). Certain weapon arts also do this, such as the commonly used Caestus (Perseverence)
Oh and final tip, try to use one piece of Thorn armour (least taxing is the gauntlets) since loads of shitters use Tears of Denial. If you 'kill' them with tears, all you have to do is roll into them with broken hitboxes and kill them.
>tl;dr
Armour is basically fashion, unless you want a specific elemental resist or need poise for your weapon. Use one piece of Thorn armour for invasions.
25bbe8 No.14742719
>>14742611
Magic and Faith are fucking insane in Dark Souls. WOGs can one shot bosses in NG, You can throw lightning like nobody's business and the damage is insane on those fucking sunlight spears. Healers have a purpose, well not so much now that everyone can use estus. The buffs are where miracles shine the most though. And you have to be in certain covenants to use certain buffs such as dorkmoon blade can only be used by dorkmoon blades. Also, Ravelord Nito has one of the best miracles for general invasions. Magic is fundamentally broken. You can create a build that one shots all of the bosses in NG +7.
b9fe1f No.14742819
>>14742719
>You can create a build that one shots all of the bosses in NG +7.
Really? I was going to do a miracle build in Remastered as that is the only one I haven't done, but this might change my mind.
b5ddbd No.14743055
>>14638325
The Cathedral of the Deep was originally supposed to have a spoopy dark blue sky like the Deacon's boss fight.
Guess From hates environmental lore.
b5ddbd No.14743059
>>14743055
>22 day post
Well now I just feel retarded.
ab3864 No.14744152
This great mace is amazing. Once I get the havels ring I can actually wear some armor with it too.
Why did this dude with some sword that inflicted frostbite have longer range than I did with my 8 feet long mace?
4c4888 No.14744418
I wish there were modding tools for souls games. I'd like a darkest dungeon mod.
c6b65c No.14750839
>>14744418
Darkest Dungeon is just FotM indieshit anyway.
>>14744152
>Why did this dude with some sword that inflicted frostbite have longer range than I did with my 8 feet long mace?
Maces require more of a swing up since they hit with weight. Swords are just hitting the other guy with the pointy bit.
520a81 No.14751012
>14750839
>Darkest Dungeon is just FotM indieshit
a8a1eb No.14757288
fa2f67 No.14757400
>>14738929
That picture is missing the second daughter.
b9fe1f No.14757424
>>14735621
PvP niggers ruined the series.
9430fb No.14757521
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Leaking out new bloodborne content!
520a81 No.14763447
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>>14757400
That's not her sister; she's an evil little shit who only wants the daughters ribbon. She's the neighbours kid and tricks to the hunter into giving her the ribbon she is obsessed with. When you leave; she cleans it off and heads home to the house with the ribbon on the door. Luckily, the little shit gets crushed by the rock troll at the bottom when she tries to leave.
You really fucking lacked insight m9.
050205 No.14763497
>>14737716
Can Gascoigne eat an entire beast in rage? I don't think so. Plus, Valtr wasn't a puss and retained his humanity after doing so. Also, I won't say he has the best melee weapon in the game, but his is a contender for it.
520a81 No.14763564
>>14763497
Wrong
>Gascan isn't a vorefag
>Gascan actually managed to get a gf and is well on in his years before going off the beast end. Valtr is such a fucking cuck that he finds a successor years before his sell by date so he can commit sudoku in peace instead of going out doing his job
>Axe is about equal in utility as the Whirligig, with a fuckton more range, rally and hitstun in exchange for less CQC damage and no serration. However; has a gun-Valtr doesn't use one.
c5d975 No.14770204
>>14763497
Probably could tbh.
a8a1eb No.14772368
>>14763564
Nothing wrong with being a vorefag.
8d7ccd No.14772385
>>14772368
vore is a shit tier fetish and you should consider suicide
98aa1b No.14772407
>>14763497
why does he look like jerry
c5d975 No.14775345
>>14772385
Vore is justice.