/v/ - Video Games

>Have you ever looked at the current state of a series you loved growing up and thought 'sometimes dead is better'?

Every day OP.

When you stop caring about it.

All FFs are trash.

I have no idea what made you think that 15 is worse from the rest.

>>14610637

It takes one to notice one huh.

>>14610602

shit day 1

>>14610602

Die would imply it was alive at one point, FF15 was a miscarriage. Just D.O.A.

>Have you ever looked at the current state of a series you loved growing up and thought 'sometimes dead is better'?

Oh yeah. If a series lives too long then it usually deviates from what made it fun. There are few acceptations to this rule, but turning into shit is the norm.

>>14610602

> >10 years late the base game is an unfinished sandbox meme game

Definitely feels a bit rushed after the second open area. Doesn't flow well.

> >2 season passes of dlc

Got it with PC version.

> >two assassins creed tie ins

Never saw it in game. Was it just outfits?

> >tom raider tie in

Look above.

> >cup noodle tie in

So? Cup noodles are good and it you can purchase them for ok buffs in case you don't have ingredients for better food. (or when Ignis isn't there)

> >fucking papa johns tie in

Same as Ass Creed.

> >'fixes' to story locked behind a dlc pay wall

Only DLC was the episodes for Ignis, Gladio, and Prompto. It just showed what they did when they separated from the party.

> >characters are bland fujoshi b8

Far from bland. Definitely fujoshi bait.

> >story barely exists

It's a decent story.

> >second half more linear than FF13

Yes. The change in open world to linear story is very abrupt. I still have whiplash.

> >main character is fucboi lightning

Until he gets older, yeah.

> >"b-but its a comfy bro roadtrip" claim shills

It is comfy.

> >no end in sight, only more 'b-but they'll patch it' attempts to polyfil the honeycomb of a story

?

>>14610602

Stop paying attention to it and it will be dead to you. Don't imagine XVI will be any less of a mess either, likely it'll be worse.

a bump for OP who is right

>its been over a decade since the last finished final fantasy game

>>14611091

>Until he gets older, yeah.

Wish I could play as the older version in the postgame shit. He's at least marginally more tolerable. Prompto never gets better though, even ten years later he's still a humongous fucking faggot.

>>14611853

>>>/reddit/

>>14611853

>fun

Don't lie to people.

>>14611865

No, Prompto still ages. He grows a tiny bit of fuzz that might be called a beard if you were asian and also a huge faggot. Prompto just never grows up or grows out of being a fucking faggot.

>No comment about the translation being fucking awful

You don't even have to speak nip to know that nearly every line is massively off from the subtitles.

>>14611091

>Only DLC was the episodes for Ignis, Gladio, and Prompto. It just showed what they did when they separated from the party.

You played on PC so did I but as someone who saw his friend beat it on console, Insomnia is straight up 3 corridors with half the encounters being skippable and the three final enemies are a behemoth king, Ifrit and then the elevator ride to Ardyn. This was the final dungeon until the royal edition massively expanded Insomnia. It was downright embarrassing, there wasn't even that scene where you summon all the gods to bring down the wall and you just rode an elevator to the final boss.

>>14611865

Wait, I thought that was a pic from some random anime. What's the point of making a battle robot that can get fat?

>>14612077

>magitek

>not magic technology

That's almost as bad as having people in regular fucking clothes in a Final Fantasy game.

>>14612084

MagiTek's been a term since FFVI mate.

>>14612094

I'm very aware of that. Usually it's for making machines and shit. Clones are gay as fuck and definitely not machines.

>>14610602

>Have you ever looked at the current state of a series you loved growing up and thought 'sometimes dead is better'?

I didnt

then the last 3 metriod games came out and I completely understood

>>14612146

3DS metroid 2 was the best in years.

>>14612255

That's not something to brag about.

>>14612255

>3DS metroid 2 was the best in years.

but it wasnt

>lets hide the hard mode, some power-ups and gallery content behind physical kids-meal tier toys that we purposefully under-produce

>lets also poorly implement 2.5D

>put in a teleport system

>make the only melee option a qte counter

>and top it off with super-poweups that trivialize all the content

>>14612255

You could say the same thing with doom4 being a not shitty fps game, but doesn't mean it's a good doom game.

>>14610602

>When the fuck will FFXV die?

Hasn't it already?

So is this game the FF equivalent of Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby?

>>14612373

No because at least Talladega Nights had a good ending and didn't have a massive fucking time skip before the final 20 minutes.

>>14612315

>having the option to quick travel is bad because muh sacred backtracking

>>14610602

>let's spend time and effort designing hot female characters and heavily market the game implying they're a major feature

>then release the game and in turns out you don't even spend 30 minutes with them and instead have to suffer yaoi archetypes in leather pants

SE should fucking burn to the ground.

>>14612512

>Also, this. Censored to the point of altering the plot.

Would you care to elaborate? I know it would be impossible to list every changed line but "changed plot" should be easy to summarize.

>>14613298

How could they justify this complete garbage?

Just update for updates sake?

>>14613910

At this point it doesn't seem like even all their games combined make up for the money they lost on 15.

Claim: FFXV has an empty story that goes nowhere.

Truth: a game is as important as you invest yourself in it. I.e. no one in their right minds in the 90s ever said Deus Ex had a great story, but memekids nowadays convinced themselves it does.

>>14613970

He's correct, considering Deus Ex wasn't even released in the 90s.

>>14613967

tbh too many anonymous criticize the game when they never even put in any time to play it.

I think the fear of change is what drives this kind of reaction.

Unfortunately they just can't appreciate art when they refuse to even look at it.

Final Fantasy died for me with X. I saw which way the wind was blowing when they started with that X-2 shit, and it fucking stunk like someone getting ready to take a big shit. What did we get afterwards? MMOs, a fucking trilogy that nobody wanted, and a constantly "evolving" single player experience.

Nobody even knew XII was an actual game until it was re-released for PS4. They just assumed that Square skipped a number as part of a marketing ploy.

>>14610948

The FF series is not even really a series per se, they all have self contained plot, settings and characters with radically different design choices outside of the meme summons and enemies. It's always been a cash grab to tie otherwise completely unrelated universes.

>>14614223

>hurr durr you must be a bigoted literal Nazi conservative if you don't like shitty practices, don't you realize that goy?

>>14614223

>>14613967

>t. squareenix shills

>>14613967

12 had an empty story that goes nowhere. 13 had incomprehensible bullshit. 15 story compares favorably with 8 and 10, as long as you can completely ignore the characters.

>>14615064

You have to be legitimately underage to not remember how hard 12 was shilled on release.

Check this: there is a leftist mod that engages in discussions, cock sucking companies. And when he is called out, he bans anons for it.

Stay mad, soyboy mod.

>>14612632

Game is still shit.

And people are still pirating it instead of buying it.

Stay mad.

>>14613636

I would have to see again to remember everything.

But there are important points that are said in japanese, but the english sub simply ignore. some that i remember:

-Lunafeya is DEAD, but the sub makes it ambiguous, while the japanese audio clearly states that she is dead and unreachable until Noctis dies too. That is a major point, as Noctis decides that his "mission" is to die, and he does not go back on this decision. This whole development is ignored on the subs.

-Iris is completely revamped at some points in her dialogues. She is an optimistic brought down to reality, and she is always supportive to the group, in love with Noctis, and submissive (as any woman must be) to her older bother. In the subs, there are dialogues that direct contradict this, and put her as jealous of Lunafreya, instead of loving for Noctis, being a tomboy instead of a obedient little sister, and overall mocking the group, instead of being supportive. The worst thing is that in other dialogues in the sub, she is portrayed as she should, making me believe that parts of her dialogue were written by some whale and ugly cunt at sometime in the game's translation.

-Ardyn give hints of his true identity through most of his dialogues along the game. and almost all of those hints are not present on the subs. Even before the group reach to Shiva, the player can already know who Ardyn really is, and at least make a little connection to Noctis. That is impossible if you only see the plot by the subs.

There are many more, but those stuck out more for me. Localization is cancer.

>>14613298

The companies responsible are the ones that must die.

>>14613910

If they had not completely altered the intended plot to appease sponsors and fujoshi, the game would have sold better.

>>14613967

Nah. XV is shit.

>>14614223

Games aren't art. Which is a good thing.

FF XV is shit. No amount of corporate cock sucking will change that.

>>14616453

>another SE game has shit translation

Is it any surprise after the whole Type-0 debacle?

>Games aren't art. Which is a good thing.

They are art, just as much as anything else creative humans come up with. However, that doesn't mean art can't be shit. Just look at Picasso and the vomit he shat on canvas.

I've barely even noticed ffxv's plot tbh - that's how shit it is. It feels like you're thrown into the middle of a story arc, and are supposed to just run with it - in spite of how little there is to engage with. No wonder they made all that gay shit before the release.

>>14616453

>Huenigger

Opinion disregarded.

>>14615064

>You have to be legitimately underage to not remember how hard 12 was shilled on release.

I remember it being shit on for playing like a single-player MMO and then promptly forgotten in the hype over "Next Gen" consoles.

It ends when you beat it, dummy

>>14616453

>there is a leftist mod that engages in discussions, cock sucking companies. And when he is called out, he bans anons for it.

This isn't news. Mod staff here needs to be totally cleared out. They've been censoring any discussion that triggers them for months now.

>The worst thing is that in other dialogues in the sub, she is portrayed as she should, making me believe that parts of her dialogue were written by some whale and ugly cunt at sometime in the game's translation.

She's a cute 15-year-old girl in love with an upstanding 20-year-old guy who literally owns his own kingdom and would be an excellent provider and devoted lover. That's pretty much a perfect storm of feminist butthurt. Some jealousy of Luna would be understandable given that Luna is practically a non-character and has no real chemistry with Noctis to justify him wanting to die to be with her, but Iris would never mock the group.

>Ardyn give hints of his true identity through most of his dialogues along the game. and almost all of those hints are not present on the subs.

I don't think anyone actually knows what's going on with him.

>>14615064

Except X-2 had the best ATB gameplay in any FF before. The issue was the otaku pandering shit of a story and setting they went for. as well as the cheap lazy mission-based structure. The combat was excellent though.

The true beginning of the decline was 12. It was a single player MMO. rushed and unfinished, with bishie bait for women to play it.

>>14613967

What is it like to suck dick, anon?

I don't to try it, but I'm curious, and you seem like an expert.

>>14617712

People who actually like the old games aren't the ones keeping the series alive. It's fujoshits and tumblrinas.

>>14617732

>What is it like to suck dick, I'm curious.

>I-I don't really want to suck dick.

Just suck a cock already and get it out of your system (or, I guess into you system). Nobody is going to judge you. Well, no… that's a lie. Everyone is going to think you're a fucking faggot who needs to neck themselves, but they already think that about you. So what do you have to lose?

>>14617792

> So what do you have to lose?

A lot of white blood cells if statistics have anything to say about it.

>>14610602

Civilization series is becoming cancer. Tomb Raider became cancer. Red Alert 3 was cancer. Persona series became cancer. There's more.

>>14610633

FF6 was decent.

>>14611853

>fun

You have really shitty standards for what constitutes fun.

>>14616496

Games can contain art, but are not art themselves.

They can contain visual art, musical art and literary art. But the games are not art per see. Much like a museum: it contains art, but it is not art itself.

>>14617367

The corporate cock sucker mod is butthurt because of our increase in spreading word to never support the games industry. Keep going, and soon we will get rid of him as well.

As for Iris, it became clear to me that the (((localization))) was done at some point, by a subhuman fat woman. Her dialogue on the subs sometimes is directly opposite to what she is saying in japanese. But not all the time. I wonder if part of the translation was already been done for the most parts, then outsourced to a fat piece of meat to "finish it" at the last minute.

And as for Ardyn, taking the japanese dialogue, he explains it all. He simply hated that he was not chosen instead of his brother, and hated that he was outcasted because of his beliefs. He wanted unity between light and darkness, and the light gods did not want it. That is a pretty good redpill on the poison that is equality. And it is not present in the english subs at all. He also hated a third thing: having become a some kind of undead and unable to rest in peace. That is why he orchestrated the deaths of his whole lineage (for the hate that he still had over his brother) and in doing so, ruining the world that the gods cherished. Another redpill on kikes, if you will. Destroying beauty and loved ones for the sake of jealousy and envy because of one's own inferiority.

This whole plot, i think, was kept off from the subs because of deformed kikes at the western companies that worked in a partnership with Square. I think that sponsors are involved in this censorship. But i could not find any proof.

>>14618577

>Games can contain art, but are not art themselves.

Anything done to a high enough standard becomes art. Games that contain a storyline are the best-equipped for this purpose because they have all the features of films, which are art, and more.

>He simply hated that he was not chosen instead of his brother, and hated that he was outcasted because of his beliefs. He wanted unity between light and darkness, and the light gods did not want it. That is a pretty good redpill on the poison that is equality. And it is not present in the english subs at all. He also hated a third thing: having become a some kind of undead and unable to rest in peace. That is why he orchestrated the deaths of his whole lineage (for the hate that he still had over his brother) and in doing so, ruining the world that the gods cherished.

Ardyn fucked shit up real fucking bad. He basically got everything he wanted, being one of the few FF villains to do this. The world after 10 years of Ardyn's rule was so unbelievably fucked that it would realistically never recover even after he dies. But the English translations don't mention anything about what he believed. They paint him as an innocent healer who took on the Starscourge to save others from it and got cast out because he became "unclean" as a result.

>Another redpill on kikes, if you will. Destroying beauty and loved ones for the sake of jealousy and envy because of one's own inferiority.

Half the white people I've known (and the blacks, Asians, etc.) qualify as kikes if this is your standard. It's not a racial thing, it's just an asshole thing.

>>14618832

A set of art pieces together are art by themselves, but not the recipient of those sets.

Ardyn was, as many things in FF 15, a throwback to older FF titles. In this case, Kefka, with the whole "world of destruction" and being practically a "god" at the end, that rejoiced his own death.

The whole "healer outcast" was partly addressed in the japanese dialogue, but it was never the focus. The focus was on Ardyn hating destiny being bound to the god's will as well as having no power to go against those gods. He sought Ifrit (in this iteration, the god that hates other gods and their creations) to pursue the end of what the gods created.

As for kikes, what are niggers and most yellows (excluding the japanese and some elite chinese) if not just animals or bugmen, without true appreciation for creation and beauty? Same as kikes.

>>14619080

I counter that by saying that the Gamer create the art by using the tool that is the gameplay. Not the gameplay itself being art.

As for the comparisson to martial arts, is applies the same principle as the museum example: a fighter can be a (martial) artist, but the place where he practices his moves is not art by itself, but can contain other types of art. Much like a museum or video games.

Game covers, manuals, art inserted into the media, art and design in the graphics, sound, music, voice acting. All those are art, contained in a recipient/expository that is a video game, that is not art by itself.

>>14618832

>Anything done to a high enough standard becomes art

Anything created by conscious beings is art. That's not to say all art is good or worthy of even being made, though.

>>14619080

games will become art once those game design theories and ideas are written down, understood, and established by more than just the japanese. Right now it's just a bunch of idiots throwing shit against the wall, hoping it sticks, a bunch of squatting retards throwing potatoes against a wall and hoping it mashes, and a bunch of elderly asian men directing newbies into doing shit they know.

>>14619105

>The focus was on Ardyn hating destiny being bound to the god's will as well as having no power to go against those gods.

A lot of FF heroes in the past have had the same motivation of wanting to defy the will of the gods, and often succeed in destroying them. If this is now being portrayed as a bad thing, it just shows that FFXV's writers don't understand the series at all.

>Game covers, manuals, art inserted into the media, art and design in the graphics, sound, music, voice acting. All those are art, contained in a recipient/expository that is a video game, that is not art by itself.

It's not inherently art, but it can be art.

>>14619142

So which one of their employees is the kike and which one is the faggot? They have to have at least one of each, given the fucking virtue signaling and propaganda they put into all their fucking work.

>>14619233

the funniest thing about the american industry going forward is so many companies are outright owned by the chinese and are most interested in catering to chinese interests. Epic is gone, blizzard is a joke, valve is trying their best to woo the chinks.

>>14619328

it didn't have technical issues wherever you played it. reported for console wars.

>>14619335

The Royal Edition and Windows Edition has more content, not just the DLCs.

>>14619206

I still insist that it can contain art. not be it.

As for Ardyn, if you see the whole fiasco of how much the game's plot was changedin the last minute, you can see where Square was going (and it would be better): the primary (better) plot would be Noctis being literally Satan, fighting against the gods, and his team would be his servants (willingly or not, is not clear), and in the end, it would be revealed that the Empire and characters that were hunting him were the good guys (the typical Final Fantasy hero group) and that noctis was the villain all along. Some rumors pointed out that the end fight would even be the player controlling the empire characters against Noctis and his team (that the player would have controlled for the whole game), in a twist, making the main character the Final Boos of the game.

It is the thing that made me hate FF 15 the most. The potential of a true great game was thrown away to appease sponsors. Then, you can see that some of it remained, scraped in the new plot, with Ardyn hating the gods, cursing his lineage and wanting a group of heroes to end him, or either him end the world.

And yes, the new writers did not understand the series at all. They just scraped vague ideas of the original plot, and made such a mess that for everything goo in it, there are ten more shits to ruin it.

My suspicion is that there were westerners ruining the plot along production, at some point.

>>14619233

Which makes me still prefer the japanese industry above all else, even with their flaws.

>>14619465

So what if you had the exact same plot in a movie format? Would it be art then?

>Some rumors pointed out that the end fight would even be the player controlling the empire characters against Noctis and his team (that the player would have controlled for the whole game), in a twist, making the main character the Final Boos of the game.

There have been all sorts of rumors going around. I heard the one about Noctis being a villain, but I never heard the one where he's the final boss of the game. What I heard painted it as a redemption story for Noctis.

>My suspicion is that there were westerners ruining the plot along production, at some point.

Are you Japanese or did you just learn Japanese? I'm interested in how you know what the Japanese version of the game was like. It'd be huge if compelling evidence of western cucks ruining the plot could be found.

>>14619522

I'd prefer real-time combat and a main character, or at least 2-3 core characters. Most of the rest of this is good, though, but I'd still include something to differentiate the characters from each other. If you use a materia system or a job system alone, you gain a lot of customization, but you're sacrificing individuality. The limit breaks aren't really enough to make the characters distinct. However, if you use both jobs and materia, you can have distinct sets of abilities but still be able to arrange things the way you want. FFIX probably got this the closest to being right, because you have both limit breaks and certain job abilities exclusive to each character, but you also have support abilities that can be equipped by anyone. What you need to do is determine which abilities should be on the materia and which should be exclusive.

>>14619508

Because it would be appreciative, yes. Remember that no matter how the plot of a game is like a movie, in the end, interactivity that acts directly on the flow/pace of the plot moves it away from being a contemplative piece, which is the whole point of art.

Taking example from movies: even the way that a character walks in a situation, is part of the art/acting, while in a game, you can fuck around and make the character walk to other places than the intended plot, or walk repeatedly into a wall, or whatever. That alone interferes with the flow of the plot, and thus, distances it from contemplation. You can watch a movie while joking about it, but the movie will stay the same. In a game, you can make the character act in a jokingly way, and that makes it be out of character, thus, "altering" the characterization by interacting with the medium.

As for Noctis, the rumor was the same about redemption, but with a (unexplained in the rumor) final battle against the group that was perceived as villains but were heroes all along.

Other links to this is Ifrit himself, as he is presented pretty much like Satan in his FF 15 iteration. Maybe it was a last change, making it "Ifrit", when the base model could be the one unused for Noctis. This last part is just my personal speculation.

No, i'm a huelander (Brazil), like the impotent butthurt above said. I just learned japanese. A compilation of all of the alterations and censorship by the (((localizers))) is possible by simply getting cutscenes from hooktube. I just don't have the time now to compile everything.

>>14619522

Agreed.

Only the Materia part should be treated carefully, to not turn all characters into the same by the end of the game. Having only Limit Breaks to differentiate characters was the biggest let down in FF 7's final moments.

>>14619751

Complementing Noctis' rumor stated above: it said that he would indeed have a redemption, but it would ultimately be solved in a combat against the forces of good (that is, the Empire's characters perceived as "evil" through the whole game), were his redemption would somehow lead to eternal slumber/death, probably reunited with Stella (the girl that was scraped at the last moment and replaced by Lunafreya), with links to the whole plot about darkness and sleep/insomnia at the end of it.

>>14610602

>XV was first announced in 2006

>still being released in pieces in 2019

Is there any game that even comes close to this?

>>14619522

>good

>good

>good

>tentatively agree, not sure how classes and materia can really be expanded separately

>good

>good

>good

>good

>good

>good

>good

>good

I don't think SquEnix can do that though. Try and think of something a little more feasible for post-Sakugachi square

>Have you ever looked at the current state of a series you loved growing up and thought 'sometimes dead is better'?

FF died the moment they give Sakugachi the boot, been a (slow) downward spiral and fujoshitgradation ever since

>>14615973

>incomprehemsible bullshit

It's the story of an angel's existential crisis and failed attempt at speaking to God. How is that difficult to understand?

>>14619931

FUND IT

>>14619931

No Lightng though.

Only good looking FEMALES. Not trannies.

>>14620016

This.

Not only FF. Square itself.

>crying about XV

>When other companies have been doing this for a long fucking time

>vii

>a sub brand

Op confirmed for the youngest of youngfags.

>>14622140

Does not change the fact that XV is shit though.

>>14622602

Xv is an after though at best. There are a lot more shit to be upset about. Besides, the closest we will get to a classic feeling ff game is only if they make an offline version of XI or XIV.

>>14622602

>best Final Fantasy is Shit

just let that sink in fellow patron of neo/v/

>>14622677

"not as bad as 13" is astronomically better than what everyone was expecting.

>>14622677

You have realistic expectations. I was just hoping for a rehashed classic (1-4) story in a modern setting. I didn't even get that shit.

>tfw you will never kill the elemental fiends in notArazona

>>14622823

>classic 1-4 story

anon you have nostalgia goggles on if you think the stories in the original games where any more well written then the bear bones "Kings duty" story in 15. The big distinction setting this new game apart form the old games is the combat. And the difficulty is clearly not something you can complain about if you played the gimped Western version of FF2 (4). Lets be honest. The sole issue with 15 was the boring combat, if they fixed the combat it would have been a great game.

>>14622808

>not as bad as 13

XV was worse than XIII

>>14622993

i disagree, before even accounting for gameplay, xiii on PC was one of the worst ports to PC ever, xiii-2 and xiii-3 didn't improve much over it in technical aspects either

>>14622610

Stay mad, Sony shill.

We won't let your shitty game be praised anywhere. But we will pirate it and make others pirate it as well, if they want to check by themselves how shitty it is.

>>14622677

Being jewish is always a problem, no matter how little it is.

>>14622808

This.

13 was bottom of the barrel. But that does not make 15 good.

>>14622962

They were. Simple and good (and better) stories.

>>14611091

>So?

Nigger. Also, there's ads in game for American Express.

>>14611913

When a game is fundamentally a dumpsterfire, things like translation tend to fall to the wayside.

>>14613967

>no one in their right minds in the 90s ever said Deus Ex had a great story

Yeah. They said it in 2000, when the game came out.

>>14615064

I always hear that X-2 was mechanically a great game, and if they had made it almost literally anything but a story continuation a pre-existing title, it would have been fine.

>>14619522

>like going to the beach and checking your party in bikini and bro moments where you talk what girls they like or hitting on girl npcs

So you want a generic anime filler episode?

>way hard bosses like in FFX

Did we play the same game? FFX was too easy to break and this goes for the superbosses too as far as I recall. I never played International though.

>>14610602

>Have you ever looked at the current state of a series you loved growing up and thought 'sometimes dead is better'?

With FF? ever since the 10th (and i'm being very nice including the 10th)

I just wanted the Dragon Quest formula but with little tweacks here and there, more stylish aesthetics and esgyer story. but squenix has gone to far and now it has mutated into either a single player MMO with auto pilot, a "press X to win" walking sim and then a husbando hacknslash

I want jobs, magics, stats, equipment, turn based combat and fantasy cliche ridden stories with bits of sci-fi and steampunk scrambled in between back

>>14613298

Has there been a mod to fix this monstrosity or is this port forever pozzed by shitty mobage UI?

>>14623669

yeah

Its called emulation

>>14623568

>I want jobs, magics, stats, equipment, turn based combat and fantasy cliche ridden stories with bits of sci-fi and steampunk scrambled in between back

your mileage may vary but you pretty much want Bravely Default. After 4 Heroes of Light made a solid attempt at recapturing the themes of classic FF, the same team took it full throttle toward FF1, 3, and 5

if you have access to the freeshop, the For the Sequel version is the best one to go for (you'll have to find it by katakana); it has the full english script and both english and japanese for voiceover, as well as uncensored costumes

now if only End Layer could get the same decent treatment

>>14623568

> want jobs, magics, stats, equipment, turn based combat and fantasy cliche ridden stories with bits of sci-fi and steampunk scrambled in between back

Exactly what I want too. Bravely wasn't enough for me. Imagine what they could do with today's technology applied to turn based combat. Think about FFIX abilities and special moves and summons with modern graphics. It would be beautiful. But nope. We get this shit. It's not even final fantasy anymore.

>>14623308

International post-game had autistic end game bosses requiring you to fill up the grid entirely to fight them even

>>14623223

Don't even remind me.

Shitty game that could be much better.

>>14623259

Another one that i remembered: when the party reaches (i think) the second main town (the one with the kid and his grandpa that is killed later), Iris comments in the english sub that, in that town ONLY women work, and that they make everything as good as Men in other cities. Complete feminist bullshit. In the japanese dialogue, she comments that "the town has women working TOO, and that they try to put as much effort as the Men", making the english dialogue be the opposite of what she is saying in the original dialogue.

>>14623338

Mad at your own impotency, deformed kike?

>>14623568

Agreed.

>>14623753

So, it required boring shit. Got it.

>>14623753

Actually, all you needed was Zanmato.

EVERY enemy in the game dies to it, no exceptions.

>>14623844

It's worse, it required boring shit because they didn't really bother to design most of the area clear Arena bosses.

The Dark Aeons however were additions that actually WERE designed well because they had stats that matched up with Omega Weapon, which means if you could beat him, you could fuck up the Dark Aeons with some difficulty. All you really needed was Auto Life and to actually go through Omega Ruins and beat it to be ready, which was already a good grinding area on top of being an optional dungeon.

Penance, the boss you can fight after them, is a fucking asshole who requires that you use a repetitive strategy for 30 fucking minutes with top class Auto-Potion/Auto-Haste/Def +20% gear in a game where gear is semi-random and locked slots means you're fucked.

And if you don't have max stats for Penance, you're fucked. So literally just Zanmato if you actually want to beat the fucker.

>>14610602

You forgot the shitty Tekken 7 tie in (No one wanted that faggot Noctis as a character).

>>14617367

So that's why the fgg thread went to dog shit when they let some cuckchan faggot spaz out if you hates what Arika is doing with Fighting Layer Ex (day-one disc-locked content shit).

>>14610602

>fucking papa johns tie in

I actually had to look this up to see it wasn't true.

PLAY A REAL SHIN MEGUMI TENSAI GAME

PHAGGOT

>>14623931

>30,000 results about it on google

why would someone lie on an imageboard?

>>14624899

wrong thread?

It's not gonna die anytime soon.

The FFVII remake is in development Hell since CyberConnect2 was kicked-off the development team and they apparently restarted development from the ground-up to "fit their vision." So if-and-when it does come out there's not a chance in Hell it will be any-good.

They're trying REALLY fucking hard to make FFXV profitable by stuffing it with as much supplementary content as possible, they'd rather do that than focus efforts on another game that's gonna take years to make, and a bajillion dollars more.

As for what I think of XV, it's about on-par with XIII, so not good. It's better than XIII in some ways (more-likeable characters, more-interesting world) and worse in others (shit combat, I played on the highest difficulty and didn't die a SINGLE TIME in my entire playthrough, say what you will about XIII's combat but at-least the Paradigm system involved some coordination and making sure your characters were competent-enough to fill those roles when necessary, whereas XV is devoid of significant party customization that impacts the potential outcome and execution of battles).

>>14623901

Proving FF 5's point true: bribery is the deadliest weapon.

>>14623915

Noctis is not even a bad character. Just visually BADLY designed. But Square whoring out the character before waiting to see if he was wanted or at least popular, as they have also done with the worst of them all (Lightning) does make one hate the character more. Other characters like Cloud are demanded by fans to appear in other games. Noctis is being forced by the company, as was Lightning, in a clear attempt to keep the character and his game relevant. That alone is reason enough to hate his appearances.

>>14623919

Yes. There are at least a communist and a corporate shills among the mods.

They want to bring Cucked Era's ways into here. Never let them.

Fighting Layer Ex must be boycotted for being a lootbox ridden piece of shit. You should create a thread to expose that, anon.

>>14623931

And, in Japan, Square funded the creation of a new real car model to match the one in the game. Piece of shit company that only cares about imagery and sponsors, and not for the main product itself.

>>14626111

The FF VII remake floping will be a good thing for everyone. It will put Square down the food chain, or even bankrupt them.

And this whole mess with FF Xv being forced down onto everything with product placement shit all the time, is a foreboding of what they will do with the VII remake. Get ready for Ultima Weapon monster be redesigned with the Doritos logo on it's chest, and for Sephiroth to wear a Wallmart shirt.

The way that they handle the company currently, it will be better if they go out. It is better to have nothing than having shit.

Also, yes, XV has the worst gameplay of them all. It IS a "hold attack to win" game all the way until the end.

>>14626274

The FF7 remake will underperform, I guarantee it. The only games Square makes that ever do well are the ones they expect to bomb terribly and don't bother giving special attention.

>>14626274

NOTHING is too big to fail.

FF VII is not being well received by the majority after all the fuck ups from Square since the 2015 reveal of the remake. You can have all blind fanboys screaming "HYPE!" and it will still flop, as the average consumer as a whole is skeptical of companies, the average Gamer KNOWS that big name companies lean on their brands alone to try to sell shit, and the average normalfag is listening more and more to cynical Gamers, instead of the marketing ploys.

And yes, there is no winning at this point. all big name companies became corrupt and lazy. Only a complete start over in the whole industry can make things better.

>>14626970

And don't forget that there are little people from the original team working on the remake, which guarantees that it will be shit. AND Square is a out-of-touch company. They would not even know where to begin to fix the remake's problems when faced with backlash. They will simply put a Kellog's or Mountain Dew quest on it and think that it will solve everything.

>>14626111

>kicked-off

>from the ground-up

>if-and-when

>any-good

>on-par

>at-least

>competent-enough

Why are you doing that?

>>14627070

There was never any doubt that it will be shit, just whether or not it'll actually turn a profit. Bravely Default for example was pretty eh but it did way better than they expected and both the MMOs, despite being cookie cutter ripoffs with above average graphics and sound, are the company's most profitable games.

>>14622677

>The combat reminded me of DMC

If that were actually the case I think /v/ would be a lot more kind towards this game. That's part of the reason why Nier Automata turned-out so good.

>>14627410

I bought a PS2 memory card at a garage sale and I shit you not some kid did just that. No other save, on the airship before that battle.

>>14627419

Great stuff. I used to wonder why my dad always filled his memory cards with saves for Final Fantasy, and I found out why the hard way. I eventually beat him, but I feel it was more luck than skill in that case since there was no way for me to turn back and grind my characters without another save.

>>14619778

Too Human, which subsequently flopped and there will never be another one.

>>14627485

Maybe 15 can get fucked legally and be pulled from stores too.

Dude FFXV is good as hell lol, you're retarded.

The story is literally about saving the white race.

Also, as for the "hold button to win" argument, I guess the people who make this argument never got to the part where you have to fight more than one person at a time. Or the part where enemies have attacks that interrupt you. Or the part where you get much better, faster options than just holding the attack button.

Or the part where every single weapon in the game has multiple combo strings, with holding the attack button almost invariably being the worst one.

Leave it to /v/ to be shit at everything.

>>14626229

>Get ready for Ultima Weapon monster be redesigned with the Doritos logo on it's chest, and for Sephiroth to wear a Wallmart shirt.

Every time you beat Ultima Weapon, instead of running away to different places on the map, it'll run back to the Doritos factory to replenish its HP. Your goal will be to defend the Doritos plant from Ultima Weapon's assault. The Weapons' size inconsistencies will be explained as them growing bigger with Dorito consumption and shrinking due to lack of Doritos.

>>14627507

>whole world is destroyed to the point where no realistic possibility of humanity recovering exists

>white race is saved

>>14627692

Cool you didn't beat the game congrats on that.

>>14627692

Don't even respond to it. Every 15 thread we've had for nearly two years now this faggot comes in and tries to push that the game is some redpilled masterpiece and we're all Hillary supporters for not liking it. Reeks of /leftypol/ or /intl/ faggotry.

>>14627708

>i didn't play the game but i know why you're wrong

also, joke's on you, i got royal edition

maybe that one guy you're shitting on is actually multiple guys trying to give you an informed opinion

maybe the only thing the hillary character does in the game is shit on spiritualism and demand money and gibs from the main character

maybe you have bad taste

>>14627692

Notice how his punctuation goes full goontwitter when called out?

>>14627723

>saging an active thread

>>14627723

Do you have anything to say about the game we're discussing, or are you just here to jew out with ad hominem? I mean, you could at least use evidence to prove me wrong like a white person would.

>>14627696

Yes, I did beat the game by watching the entire thing on YouTube because SE isn't currently a company that deserves my money. The scenario presented in the ending is completely unrecoverable for humanity even if the game's writers are trying to pretend the world has been saved. They didn't think it through at all and it shows.

>>14627774

cool i guess you missed all the plants growing back oops you look like a retard

>>14627779

You're deliberately missing the point. The environmental damage done after 10 years of having no sun would ensure that no plants would ever grow again. The fact that there are plants growing again is a massive plot hole.

>>14627876

magic, retard

>>14627885

The game is supposed to be more realistic than other FF games, though. That kind of ruins the whole point of it.

>>14627899

"more realistic" is a pretty huge gradient when you consider there's an immortal talking lion man and sometimes your dad is GodSatanWhale.

>>14627919

No method of using magic to grow plants has ever been mentioned in any Final Fantasy, though. In fact, FFXII outright said there wasn't one. You can't do these things without having something to establish their existence first. Saying "lol magic" invites the question of why we couldn't just use magic to go back in time and stop any of it from ever happening, which the FF series actually has more precedent for than using it to grow plants.

>>14627998

FF11 had magic plants though

>>14627998

meant for >>14627917

>>14627999

(checked)

But were they grown magically or imbued with magical properties later?

>>14627998

the power to save the planet comes from Noctis sacrificing himself for the betterment of mankind, similar to FF7, whose entire theme involved an unsalvageable planet which was saved by some slut selling flowers

also, Ivalice is distinctly different from other FF settings. the narrative of the games that take place in Ivalice force state warfare, rather than a struggle to save living beings.

>>14628015

grown magically, you had to use crystals to make the seeds grow or else the soil wasn't fertile enough

>>14628015

>>14628021

obligatory FF7 church flowers

>>14628017

Flower girl is a euphemism for prostitute.

You can't sell your body so what they'd do is sell a flower at a really high price, then "coincidentally" have sex with you afterwards. It's like how you need a permit to sell water at an outdoor festival - people will sell a trivial thing like a rock for a dollar but you get a "gift" of a water bottle with your purchase

>>14628026

I think I must've read that before but thank you for the refresher, anon.

>>14628021

Got a link to this? I've never heard of it before. Even so, if the soil isn't usable on its own, it's not going to be sustainable without even more magic. You'd basically be talking about a large-scale magically-based terraforming effort.

>>14628038

Oh yeah, I wasn't refering to that in general. I was saying it was an idea in final fantasy before. It was just an excuse to say why you couldn't constantly grow plants with no investment

>>14628110

>>14628038

Guys. Church flowers.

Even if magical plant growth was done at some point in the series, it was still never mentioned in FFXV.

>>14628110

>/v/ - Horticulture

Are these growth crystals easy to come by?

>>14628150

The flowers were in a special, sacred location that can't be easily duplicated. Nothing grew anywhere else in Midgar and it wasn't about to start without shutting down all the Mako reactors. 500 years later Midgar had been reclaimed by nature, but the world of FFVII didn't suffer even close to the same level of apocalyptic event that FFXV's world did.

>>14628296

Are you sure? While Ardyn blocked the sun, he didn't try to take advantage of the crystal whatsoever. ShinRa did the equivalent of harnessing Noctis' crystal for their own gain, while Ardyn outright wanted the crystal to be as healthy as possible so he could defeat all it means.

>>14628296

well you have to get a signet from your kingdom which for some reason caused monsters to drop them out of their asses.

It was an MMO so it didn't really make sense

>>14628290

>well you have to get a signet from your kingdom which for some reason caused monsters to drop them out of their asses

o...kay then.

>>14628315

The crystal may have been healthy, but the world got totally fucked.

>>14628026

fun fact, in "officially" sanctioned whorehouses during the Vietnam war this is exactly how they operated: you'd buy a cup of tea for like twenty bucks then the girl would give you a blowjob or whatever

>>14627312

You can bet that it is. Not only normalfags are more skeptical, but the average normalfag is also so used to having instant gratification that the stupid suits that pushed for this are struggling to deliver it. Nowadays, even WAITING for the release of a game after the initial trailers is reason enough for some normalfags to dismiss it completely. More and more are adopting the mindset of "i want it NOW and i want it to be perfect. If it is not, i don't want it anymore. If it takes too long to get it, i don't want it." And many are also the type that thinks "good, i got it. Now i want THE NEXT NOW", without even playing the one that they got.

Companies truly fucked themselves up by fomenting this mindset instead of fighting against it.

>>14627498

XIII deserves it more. Do it to XIII first.

>>14627633

How is the impotency going, soyboy?

I got to those parts. And they all can be won by holding attack and enduring the damage without even needing to defend or dodge. FF XV is shit and it is hold attack to win all the way to the end.

>>14627692

You are giving them ideas. Remember that current companies are run by literal retards that would implement what you said, thinking that a few laughs from normalfags would mean sales.

As for the redditor, just report and filter.

>>14627696

Beat it.

Game is shit. Hold attack to win fantasy.

>>14627713

Game is still shit, impotent soyboy.

>>14627731

Confirmed to be an impotent deformed kike.

>>14627735

The evidence is playing the game and confirming it to be shit and hold attack to win.

Stay mad and impotent, soyboy.

>>14627885

Magic would be for you to grow balls.

>>14628738

Aerith was always a prostitute. The feminist (((journos))) were the ones pushing for her to be a maiden. The same soyboys that cried for the death of a prostitute, as they would do if they saw a real one die too.

>>14628766

What you're saying simply isn't true. You can't beat Titan or Ifrit by only spamming attacks considering blocking and dodging are required to beat them both. Everything you post makes you sound like a brown person.

>>14622962

>not using a simple story to make set pieces for game play

Or are you one of those faggots that need a "deep" story? In that case XV is perfect for your pleb tastes.

>>14629853

>>14628766

I forgot to mention. Even if you did beat the whole game by simply holding circle, you're still retarded. The game shows you multiple ways to dispatch enemies that are more fun, more rewarding, and more time efficient. Sorry for your autism.

>>14629846

Stay mad at your impotency, soyboy.

FF XV is shit.

>>14629853

>>14629864

So, you admit to lying about it being impossible, and tries to defend it anyways.

Yeah, your are a corporate shill.

Game is shit. Hold attack to win.

>>14629860

They want to pretend that they are people. That is why the need for "deep" (a.k.a unfocused and shit) to try to validate themselves among their other subhuman beings.

>>14628766

They reap what they sow. I just hope it's a quick process at this point and not a slow, painful one like it has been for almost the past decade now.

>>14630963

I didn't "admit" to anything. You have to block Titan's stomps or you die. There are other bosses with similar mechanics. You didn't play the game and are full of shit. I don't care if you don't like it, but don't lie like a jew, you kike.

>>14632172

>You have to block Titan's stomps or you die

No you don't

Titan doesn't even fucking stomp. He has a side hand sweep and a heavily telegraphed palm crush which you have to be brain dead to fail to guard.

>>14631016

It will be quick. The average normalfag is not even spending money on games anymore. Only the uninformed and the hype soyboys are. Currently, most normalfags just watch a game being played by others, instead of buying it.

>>14632172

Not a lie. The game IS hold attack to win. And it is shit.

and yes, you admitted when you said this >>14629864

>>14632241

4 minutes, 16 seconds.

fuck off retard, i forgot you also have to parry the palm crush

holding attack to beat a game then complaining about it not being fun because of the way you specifically limited yourself is pretty fucking braindead, by the way. just like you are

>>14632460

You be sure to watch that clip, too. Like I said, it's fine to not like something. It's not fine to be a kike.

>>14632460

Champ, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt which is literally impossible because you simply can't hold attack to win. There are mandatory bosses that can only be beaten by means other than physical attack, like Ifrit.

>>14632508

>4 minutes, 16 seconds.

>QTEs are gameplay

What else to expect from a retard who direct links to jewtube and defends FF15

>>14632531

>combat doesn't count as combat if i don't like it

and there's still the palm crush

>>14632538

>QTEs cinematics are combat

This is your brain on boyband fantasy

>>14632558

>blocking an attack isn't combat guys

>there have never been unwinnable sequences in any video game until this one, what the fuck is megaman x

>>14632564

>>blocking an attack isn't combat guys

Look at this amazing combat sequence in Shenmue against kids

Modern "cinematic" shitshows like God of War, Uncharted and FF15 are made for retards like you

>>14632598

>stop liking what i don't like.jpg

Okay buddy, you got me, it's a qte, I'll concede just to help you stop shitting the bed. What about the other examples of mashing attack being an unwinnable strategy? Go on, beat Ifrit without parrying that one attack you have to parry to get him to the second stage of the fight.

You know FF15 has frame perfect combos, right?

>>14632598

but, for the record, what's the difference between a qte sequence and a fight you can't win? there isn't one

>>14632608

Acting pissy isn't going to make people ignore your complete retardation

>>14610602

There is not a single good MMORPG in existence.

The genre lived and died with WoW before that became shit too.

>>14632648

I've proven you wrong at absolutely every turn, you astounding buffoon. Yes, FF15 is far from the shining beacon of JRPGs the series once was, but it's also not what you describe whatsoever because you didn't play it so you don't know how it is and your posts will reflect that no matter what you do

>>14632653

>I've proven you wrong at absolutely every turn

By admitting to be wrong and retarded?

You sure showed me by moving those goalposts.

Keep boasting about those "advanced" one button tactics, maybe it'll make you feel better about your 60$ down the drain and dozens of hours wasted on an unfinished piece of shit.

>>14632695

You're jewish lol

>>14610602

>ffversus xiii started development in 2006 and launched in 2016

>ffiv released in 1991 and ffix launched in 2000

>the amount of time that it took to produce ffxv is the same it took to produce 6 entire final fantasy titles from 2 whole generations

>>14617086

>still no news on story of seasons switch

Maybe it's all dead, maybe Marvelous wants to go in a new direction, a direction away from profitable niche titles, maybe Marvelous decided to cede the genre to Harvest Moon and Stardew Valley, I guess they just admitted that they were completely incapable of competing with these other two series.

>>14632508

If the game allows itself to be played like shit, the game is shit.

You are watching videos and talking.

I have played, finished it and the game is hold attack to win. And it is shit.

>>14632530

By QTES and mandatory cutscenes activated by one single command. Then, hold attack to win.

>>14632531

This.

>>14632538

>>14632564

>>14632608

QTE is not gameplay. FF 15 is shit.

>>14632653

>>14632701

You proven yourself a liar that watched videos and try to prove a point by linking to them, instead of having played the hold attack to win game. Complete shit game.

>>14632702

And both were supposed to share the same universe. Both were shit made by hacks and made worse by out of touch corporate suits and their sponsors.

>>14627692

Now i thought about something: it would be great to spread a false rumor about there being a new Weapon Monster on FF VII remake that would be a product placement for Doritos or some other irrelevant brand. Talk to some 3D artist to make a model and spread it with the rumor, with the model being believable, but with the logo of the brand stamped on it and the brand's colors.

Spread that the rumor tells of a new optional quest to fight an even harder boss than Emerald and Ruby (maybe called Omega Weapon?), that serves as a hidden quest and also as product placement for a brand.

The salt from normalfags as well as the desperation to dismiss it from the suits at Square would be too much fun to watch. And seeing normalfags get more skeptical after that would be even funnier.

>>14632530

>>14632460

"Hold attack" seems massively ineffective. I pretty much won the entire game by spamming warp strikes with Ragnarok (dlc weapon that massively increases warp strike damage).

The combat system seems overly simple. Hold block to continuously dodge attacks, hold attack to continuously attack, but when you are constantly outnumbered, frequently by enemies that down you on one hit, that shit just doesn't work. It gets worse still when many attacks can't be "blocked" and there's no kind of indicator as to which attacks these are.

Honestly, short of grinding like hell and spending several minutes per trash fight I'm not even sure how you are supposed to play the game without something like Ragnarok. It felt cheap as hell to use, but the difference between doing 9999 damage warp strikes and 300 damage regular attacks on enemies with ~20k health seems insurmountable. With absolute end-game stuff, including Rare Metal (Omega drop) you can start doing good damage with normals, but until then there's no point.

>>14610602

Marvel vs Capcom my dude.

>>14632651

>There is not a single good MMORPG in existence.

t. didn't play guild wars 1

>>14640926

Guild Wars sucks.

>>14643892

It doesn't suck but it's basically just hipster WoW.