/v/ - Video Games

Games that have "continuous content updates" are cancer and need to be stopped.

Just release a game and leave it at that, no DLC, not "free" content. Make a game, make it well and move onto the next one.

>>14602467

>Games that have "continuous content updates" are cancer and need to be stopped.

Why is that a bad thing? As long as the released game is finished at release I see nothing wrong here. How exactly is free content a bad thing?

>Budget and Profit is clearly not an argument for their jewish tricks.

All they need is profit, at the expense of everything else. Remember anon, to the jews that own these big companies consumers are nothing more than unthinking sources of money, moved only by hype and cosmetics.

>Also, day 1 dlc used to be cancer, but now everyone is totally okay with it.

By everyone I hope you mean normalfags. DLC has been pretty much normalized. If you got into gaming recently and saw every big name title pushing DLC you'd probably think it was normal too. If you got into gaming before then you'll see it for what it is: a way to sell less content for more money, and to peddle digital trinkets to fools.

This is the exception, a tiny minority of games make almost all of the profits. You clearly don't understand economics and just whine about >muh joo tricks

>>14602481

Gaming-as–service is the future tbh, sonyggers already pay 60$/year to rent games. And they call them "free" lel

GTA has always been shit, excluding maybe the top down 2D titles. I'm being serious; go back and play any of the missions in any of the 3D titles. They're always made with shitty mechanics in mind.

>pursue a guy; scripted sequence; can't defeat him until game says it's ok

>follow a vehicle without being seen; basically your typical asscreed tailing mission but inside a car

>gunfights have always been your typical cover-based third person affair with whack-a-mole type antics

>the game is always built with lock on targeting in mind; even if you don't use it, fights will take a lot longer than they should, if for no other reason than because the maps are typically filled with enemies that are programmed to take cover the moment your gun is pointed in their direction

To be fair, some missions have utilized the mechanics in more interesting ways than others, but they're few and far between those filler-esque missions that prove to be tedious and not fun.

That shit being said, GTA has always sold on controversy. The jews at cockstar knew that they could deliberately incite media outrage centered around their game, given the video game's history of less-than-complimentary media coverage about violence in media. They deliberately marketed their products to little kids who wanted to be edgy fucks, because they knew that some teenager out there, who broods with desire to become a prominent figure in some type of counter-culture, would see the guns and tits and drug references and plot that is centered around organized crime and wet himself with anticipation over how the game would change others' perception of him. "I'm so fucking cool, I play the edgiest shit". They pandered in this fashion, and it fucking worked.

This is why GTA sells. This is why any other AAA shitfest sells. Marketing. Marketing has always been the large megaphone in the corporate hand, only now that we're on the internet, marketing has taken a new direction, what with paid shills and guerilla tactics. Point is, even if a game is shit, a marketing firm can get it to sell by pitching some angle to a more-than-willing audience.

>>14602472

In many cases it is an excuse not to adequately play test.

>>14602541

Obviously there are bad practices that should be shunned, but if a developer releases more content for free that is developed after the initial release and wasn't promised as a feature at launch, they deserve praise for giving their fans more content.

>>14602513

3D GTA games have always been more spectacle than substance, I agree. The games are impressive from a technical sense.

>>14602467

>need to be stopped.

I don't disagree with you but who really fucking cares? It keeps the money pumping and nobody will stand against it.

>>14602472

usually the "extra content" is stuff that was cut from the initial release and then added in later with a price tag or locked behind a pre-order or some shit.

>>14602661

>Nobody will stand against it

That's the problem, people should be telling these companies that they dont want "continuous content" and wat a game that they ca pick up and play from a fucking disk, no day 1 updates, no pre-order bonuses, no "early-access" by not buying their fucking games, but because the general public are so fucking braindead they just keep handing over their money for unfinished games and remakes and yearly release garbage.

>>14603033

Just look at what happened with GamerGate. Here we had a golden opportunity to finally assert consumer rights and the moment a boycott was brought up all the spineless consumer whores came out of the woodwork to protest and a golden opportunity was funneled in a spectacle of identity politics. Can't you fuckers say "no" to anything?

Because leftists can't code. The can only use middleware.

The simple fact that Electronic Arts is still in business makes me seriously question the economist's argument that markets distribute the things that people want efficiently.

>>14603063

>This is why gaming hit a peak around PS2-PS3 era

Try 1994, underage shiteater. Things have been going downhill since 3D.

>>14602501

>crying about Sony

>when dlcbos exist

>when Microsoft introduced the HD tax

Talk about a bias!

>>14603075

>underage

Nigger, I'm 30. Underage fags don't even know what a PS2 is.

>implying 3d didn't step up gameplay elements in a massive way and bringing gaming to a new level

stop being a hipster, you're probably the fag who starts CRT threads.

>>14603075

also

>1994

>things have been going downhill since 3D

<implying there wasn't 3D in 1994

>>14602447

The answer to this question is a simple equation:

money + fuckwits.

1. company is bought out by multinational congolomerate, the only goal thereafter is to perpetually increase the profits and profit margin until the soulless "product" is inviable and discarded.

2. aim for the lowest common denominator to attract the most buyers

3. fuckwits buy it because the advertisement told them to.

4. repeat

Stop buying these 265 million dollaz gamez, and they will move on to films, landfill sites, fruit exports or anything else with soulless profit.

You fucking idiots.

>>14603096

WHERE'S PAC MAN IN THAT IMAGE?

>>14603103

400px left of the image on imaginary pixels besides the ball from pong.

>>14603082

>Nigger, I'm 30.

Me too. PS2 gen was fucking shit and Wii gen was even worse than that. PS1 was the last decent generation but it still had considerably less quality games than the generation before it.

>>14603151

>PS2 gen was shit

Now you're just talking out of your ass. PS2 has one of the most varied and colorful libraries among any of the consoles. If you can't find a single PS2 game to enjoy, then you're a shit.

>>14603075

>gaming has been going downhill since it stopped being just repeating the same 5 genres under slightly different skins

Because it has gone mainstream, when the consumer base increases so much you have to play it safe and try to make a game that attracts the general audience, with time companies realized how fucking retarded and company worshipping these retards were and tried to squeeze every penny out of them.

And it will continue to get worse, nowadays celebrities use videogames and anime to connect with their audience

>>14602447

Modern gaming is not shit. It is /v/ sperging.

Modern games can be steep at price department it is true. Blame consumer. Now vidya is not only for kids but fro 30+ old manchilds with tons of disposable income who relentlessly drive prices from teh consumer side of the market.

>>14603151

>>14603161

He even goes so far as to condemn the whole generation. Between the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox there are so many good games. I can't fathom how calling that generation shit is anything other than shitposting. I can understand if you like other generations more, but saying it was "fucking shit" is absurd.

>>14603166

Yeah now instead of five platformer releases a year we get five shitty fucking movie games a year. The industry has done a wonderful job of providing more genre variety.

>>14603136

>modern Marvel vs Capcom is better than Skyrim or The Witcher

lol

>>14603188

>PS2 era was the first one where explosive project budgets and sizes really started to take a toll on the industry's ability to churn out quality games at a high rate.

Fair point, but you should've just said this in the first place, because just saying "PS2 gen was shit" is too vague.

>>14602472

>Why is that a bad thing

The "free" content is usually behind tedious grinding which can be "skipped" by using microtransactions.

>>14603188

>PS2 era was the first one where explosive project budgets and sizes really started to take a toll on the industry's ability to churn out quality games at a high rate

Not true at all. PS2 era had the largest variety of games. You had niche budget titles being published and turning a profit whereas in the PS3 era most of the studios which survived during PS2 era had to close down because they couldn't make a profit anymore.

>>14603203

Witcher is not AAA. MvC is an spectacle fighter.

Skyrim is indeed the worst of the three.

>>14603245

>Witcher is not AAA

Witcher is more AAA than most over marketed AAA garbage pushed by Ubisoft or EA.

>>14603307

>>>/agdg/

Just like make game, bro.

>>14603325

Too late anon, I'm in the merchant navy now

star wars made a billion dollars too but that doesn't mean it's a good product.

gta5 was overhyped like star wars, it was a new gta game after many years with a new engine. and they fucked it up.

>>14603332

better life than a game dev tbh

GTA: SA was the last good GTA, I don't think they'll ever make one as good as that.

Prediction: When GTA VI releases people will look back on GTA V fondly as the last good GTA (though not the online, because shark cards were the first nail in the coffin).

>>14603396

That only happens when the sequel is worse than the prequel, which is exactly the case with the vast majority of western vidya. People don't look back at older games because of nostalgia or because they're hipsters. They look back the newest game is an empty shiny shell. It looks good and it's new. But the mechanics are garbage and the atmosphere is lacking compared to the prequels.

GTA IV is a bad GTA. And yet it is better than GTA V. If they fuck up 6 too they will, people will compare it to V and say how better the old one was.

What are the chances GTA VI will end up a 60$ F2P MP only game aimed at Chinks and Koreans?

Jews and leftists.

Kill both, and gaming will improve.

>>14603474

Nah, but VII will.

I guarantee you that VI will have a vagina protagonist and another nigger protagonist, and most of the focus will be multiplayer.

>>14603485

Lead by example

>>14603202

>ignoring the 5th and 6th gen which had a fuckton of variety, and jumping to the even worse 7th/8th gens

>all games this year are these shitty AAA movies

Gaming is shit right now, i know. But it's never going to get better if you just highlight entire years in videogames with the largest turds instead of just looking for recent good games and archiving the ones you think are worth salvaging.

>>14603059

exactly, most of the chumps here are normal-fags masquerading as /v/irgins

Gamergoober is a good example, as you said, when it comes the time to put your money where your mouth is most of the cunts here go back to being the good consumerist whores they really are.

>>14602447

>And somehow they still have a hard time making free updates and ship their games with DLC and microtransactions

Why should they try when GTA is guaranteed to turn a humongous profit? (((Rockstar))) faces absolutely no risks they can safely half-ass everything and slather it in microtransactions. The market won't punish them for bad behavior so they get to behave as badly as they want to.

>>14603373

Yeah, to be honest GTAIV was superior to GTAV in lots of ways.

>>14602484

>This is the exception, a tiny minority of games make almost all of the profits.

Does the 1% of game make as many profits as the remaining 99%?

>>14603711

>rofl

You're a faggot

>>>/reddit/

>>14603858

The Boomers are apparently living in your head rent free. Also what are you like 1000? rofl isn't image board lingo it was used on fucking AOL in the 90's.

>>14603882

Shouldn't you be updating your LiveJournal or some shit?

>>14602467

I remember back when they were expansion packs and actually expanded the fuggin game, not this pay $5 for a new costume trash.

>>14603858

Daily reminder that millennials are so retarded, they call anyone older than them a boomer. They don't have a clue what the origin of the word boomer is, of course

>>14603356

San Andreas was shit. You were just a nigger doing nigger shit.

>>14603858

>>14603882

rofl and roflmao are actually boomer phrases. No one below the age of 70 has even heard them uttered before.

>>14602447

>And somehow they still have a hard time making free updates and ship their games with DLC and microtransactions.

Not only that but they refuse to do anything about the cheating, have zero customer support, and threaten to sue a bunch of people for releasing software that would enable private servers.

>>14603075

>>14603063

98-02

You all people are shooting right, hitting close, but still not in the black. It is actually very simple, but tragic as the shit is not easily fixable.

You see, back then when gaming scene was rather small and mostly comprised from people somewhat out of the society, even "underground" (in my country gaming was actually called "the culture of cripples" in mainstream media back in the 90s) everything was just done from pure interest and love to the craft. Most of the stuff really fulfilled that old Interplay motto: "By gamers for gamers". And it was not some anonymous cantonese insect cooking forum ironic meme, like "us gamers" today or some fucking corporate shill-drone PR talk. Underground always makes the best culture, money and mainstream always ruins it.

>>14603172

This.

Marketing is a better investment than development.

>>14604486

Some shit bait you've got here, but take this because I want to talk about this bullshit.

(you)

The non-paying players surely have fun doing the repetitive import/export missions a hundred times a day to buy one new helicopter, then doing the exact same four missions two hundred more times to put some missiles on their helicopter. It is the pinnacle of fun and enjoyment.

>>14604486

>I'll never understand why people don't like something i like

Great post, faggot.

>>14604486

>godmode

This is why you like this game, you fucking cheating prick.

>>14604746

The game fucked up. The support beam didn't load in until after I hit it and for some reason it made it so I didn't die, which is why I saved it. I play on PS4 to avoid modders since it's impossible to use mod menus on current gen, the downside is that I have to deal with using an underpowered base PS4 that has problems keeping up with the game truly the power of next gen gaming and as such get moments like this.

Simple : Like all things, once you figure out the magic formula ; You can cheap out and still rake in profits.

It's capitalism at it's finest. Just have to wait for people who remember when games were complete at launch to die and then the plan will be complete.

I mean, also rockstar is retarded so that's a problem too

>Hey people are cheating in our game on pc should we ban them

<yeah ban them and anyone that has a history of interacting with them

>But wait that's nearly everyone

>>14603176

>Modern gaming is not shit.

>It is /v/ sperging.

No it's fucking shit and most games don't try any more.

>>14602447

>$265 million

>games emptier per sq mile than san andreas

>>14602472

>>14602541

most games arent like GTAV where they make 600 car models in DLC

>>14604486

>GTAV still fucking you up due to pop in

>>14603059

>nd the moment a boycott was brought up all the spineless consumer whores came out of the woodwork to protest and a golden opportunity was funneled in a spectacle of identity politics.

Said it once, I'll say it again

DECLARING YOURSELF A NONCONSUMER IN A LUXURY MARKET DOESN'T WORK

ESPECIALLY IN A POST UNION AGE

>>14604894

> NONCONSUMER IN A LUXURY MARKET DOESN'T WORK

nigger, just play older games you faggot

>>14604903

and this is why new games will not change.

>>14604894

It does when you have significant percentages of relevant demographics declaring themselves nonconsumers, especially when they stick to their guns. Sure, you don't see results right away (companies tend to double down and take the "high road" on social media), but after about 4-5 years of consistently shitty sales, the slackjawed retards who run these companies will have to answer to investors.

The problem is that you need to get a shitload of people to say "No, sir, I don't like it". 5% won't cut it - something to the degree of 20% or more people need to pull out to make any kind of real dent.

>>14604922

If you tell them you're not going to buy their games they won't make games for you. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

>>14604922

you really are a dumb nigger if thats what you get from the anon's statement

>>14604928

So what are you proposing? They already aren't making games for me. Why wouldn't I not buy a product I don't want? It is a difficult concept to grasp because it's completely incoherent.

If a company does not provide the product I desire I won't buy it and I'll do something better with my time and money.

>>14604941

Act like an adult and inform the company of the kinds of products you'd want, as well as a level headed explanation of why you aren't buying their current products.

>>14604910

its because we arent bothering to make the games we like ourselves

>>14604948

Except that has failed miserably for years. These faggots literally hire people to sift through forums for them so they can pretend to care.

There's a reason a shitload of people resorted to the shenanigans of gingergrate.

>>14604962

speak for yourself.

>>14604972

MAYBE I AM NIGGER

my game is gonna have hookers, and blackjack

and Titties

mad titties everywhere

you can walk into the grocery store inside my game and youll see the nicest pair of 16-bit DD titties youve ever seen in your fucking life

>>14604930

>criticism of capitalism is /leftypol/

Not even remotely. /leftypol/ is ironically more tolerant of capitalism than /pol/ is in some ways. Well perhaps not these days after the cuckchan invasions we've had of late.

>>14604948

What the fuck does that even mean? Explain how? Where do I post this desire? Who do I contact?

>Act like an adult

This is a completely meaningless thing to say. Take WoW for example. The game has almost never had any changes made to it because of consumer feedback. There are millions of people crying on their forums about a million different things but the game is still strictly designed around maximizing profits and minimizing work load on their developers so they can pump out more shit in a short amount of time.

You're just spouting absolutely worthless drivel with no forethought or substance. No, I'm not going to "act like an adult" and beg developers to make good games. They can fuck off and die. I'll continue to just play old games. They can destroy their industry and it makes not a single difference to me. I'm not going to spend time out of my life whimpering like a fucking dog to some fat quadroon monkeys who get hired to develop these absolute trash titles. Kill yourself you stupid fucking nigger.

>>14602447

AAA has become cancerous

>>14602467

I dunno about you pal but I really liked how grim dawn kept releasing new gear & endgame dungeons free after release.

>>14604993

>The game has almost never had any changes made to it because of consumer feedback.

Well when you've never played something I could understand why you'd spout unintelligent shit like that.

>>14604907

Pretty much this.

>why is modern gaming such shit

>GTA 5

That was 20 years ago my dude.

Compared to the clusterfuck of 2013-2015 we're entering a pretty good era of gameplay>cinematics/dlc.

But that's of course if you play on PC.

>>14603971

you are just a fucking retard talking retarded shit, fuck off and get the fuck out.

>>14604746

>cheats

GTA5 actually has a time limit on its cheats. so its no fun allowed

>>14604809

We will never let people forget.

And, you may have noticed, we are making people become cynical and hateful towards lazy companies. soon, those will become the majority. Add to that the corrupt among the lazy being exposed and some even jailed, and you have a future that is determined by our will alone, and nothing else.

>>14604645

So?

We won't allow this to go much longer.

>>14603490

No.

Killing jews and leftists is what improves anything.

>>14602478

>All they need is profit, at the expense of everything else. Remember anon, to the jews that own these big companies consumers are nothing more than unthinking sources of money, moved only by hype and cosmetics.

>Only Jews are capitalist.

>This would be fine if you were being butt fucked by an Aryan.

/pol/ loves getting fucked by capitalists, Jew or otherwise, don’t let them fool you.

>>14602513

This, seems like people were more impressed by the radio and open world, which at the time were ground breaking, then the gameplay.

>>14603230

This, most AA studios went under after the PS2 era.

>>14605882

>That's so fucking true it hurts.

Yea it's pretty fucking bad how shit western games are now.

>>14606041

While your points are mostly true, Kimura was director from get go. I think he invited the other dude for ep3 and that's why that was so good compared to the rest of the game and spread the misinformation about "changing directors" in western playerbase.

As for Hero it's just Braver 3.0 or Summoner 2.0, every time there is new class, it's the strongest one. Next class will be just as overpowered, while hero will get balanced.

That how it always was since ep2.

>>14602513

I genuinely believe polcor crowd is getting paid for autistic screeching.

They never seem to find 'controversal' titles that aren't already shilled as such. Like they attacked Vavras Kingdom Cuck for really pathetic reason that applies to many other games and in time when nobody takes sjw seriously not even normalfags.

But there's the catch. Game X release isn't newsworthy but the fact 'some pink-haired retard is displeased with videogame X release' on the other hand gets first page. And you can show it in the non-gaming news too! It's political!

Maybe I miss something but Shitaku seems fine about freeware games and mods about killing niggers.

It's all kike puppet show.

>>14606135

No I don't blame Graphics what I blame the most is lack of good level design.

>>14606078

It's kind of hard to call it misinformation when they have a guy next to Kimura who Sakai introduces as "episode X director (name)" in the livestreams. Kimura is indeed the overall game director, but episode directors are brought on from within the staff to bring some creative fresh air to the game. What I don't get is how Ep 4 and 5 could be so different when they had the same director.

>>14606135

Back then, it still took developers lots of effort to squeeze as much as possible out of limited hardware they had. Have you read that Crash Bandicoot post-mortem article? They had to manually make every frame of character animation to make it fluid and cartoonish, instead of using skeletons and such. And then they had to do it all again for the Japanese version. And you can't blame graphics for things like FUCKING TETRIS THAT GETS SLOWDOWNS ON PS4, not to mention that most modern games have shit graphics anyway.

>>14606236

I remember Kimura giving interview in 2014 or something about that sort of thing.

Either way I imagine overall ep4 response wasn't good from jap playerbase as well so they tried to shake things up.

All I want is new old-school field tbh.

>>14606248

You're partially going to get your wish. The forest of illusion is going to become a free field sometime in the summer. I can't get too excited about that since it was a limited time quest for so long.

>>14606135

You're braindead. I bet you unironically believe that graphics gone way up since 2010.

Modelling/texture software is never been easier to use than today. Oh and nobody is doing anything from scratch.

Also this >>14603766 isn't much of an improvement. Graphics improved mostly in shaders department which costs two ramen for pajeet. Modders do it faster than AAA companies.

>>14602467

>>14602472

Hollow knight did this for free and im okay with that.

>>14602467

>local man doesn't go outside since 1998

>>14602467

He's right, you know.

>>14602562

>The games are impressive from a technical sense.

Mafia came out before Vice City and it feels/looks like a game from a generation ahead. I don't want to transform this into a mustard rice argument but they were really only impressive because they were released on PS2.

>>14606483

What are you, twelve?

Grow the fuck up.

>>14606483

I don't watch him I'm just posting this webm that shows he name dropped us when some autist was sperging. Hence why we've been hit with so much cancer.

>>14603226

>The "free" content is usually behind tedious grinding which can be "skipped" by using microtransactions.

That's not always the case, some games like UT3 for example got huge free patches with new maps and shit.

>>14606135

it actually took more creativity and skill back then then today, today developers just brute force the shit out of anything with just hiring more polygons and bones, back then you actually had to create textures that would create depth due to lack of polygons, there were games with development where ONE GUY had to do ALL the NPCs for a game, granted they were likt 8/9 bones, but they were all unique character models that didnt look alike

people were just better people back then.

The people in game dev nowadays are moronic faggot assholes.

I also get the distinct impression many are in it because they couldn't get into some other field and want the prestige of being a game designer without any of the talent.

It's just a hip job for them that can buy them as many lattes as they like while they waste time not making good games.

>>14606666

Yes Satan.

>>14606666

There's little prestige in being in game development, since the pay is usually shit (compared to what you could make with your skills in other fields), the hours long and crunch time is invoked often.

This, in turn, means you get two kinds of people working on games. Those that love the medium and are willing to make sacrifices to create a product of love, and modern game developers, meaning Pajeets, women, and other untalented subhumans that can't get a job at a decent company so they come over to shit up vidya.

>>14606687

>Shame GTA effectively buried both franchises

Driver self-destructed because the developers were greedy and stupid, and Getaway was never that good to begin with.

>>14606687

>>14606700

Driver SF was great.

>>14605871

Is Ni No Kuni 2 truly good?

>>14606819

No.

>>14602447

>Grand Theft Auto V cost $265 million to make

I would bet that a big part of it went to the music licenses, that shit isn't free.

>>14606844

music and marketing. That said, gta v features any good songs?

>>14606857

Individual songs yes, the radio as whole is just bad compared to the games prior. IV at least had an identity using less popular songs (so did GTA III but that's mostly because they just couldn't afford hits at that time).

Really I have no hope for GTA in the future, I bet it'll be even shorter than V with less stuff to do and even more based on gimmicks. It speaks volumes that a budget GTA like Liberty City Stories made by a secondary studio on mostly reused assets I bought for $5 in a bargain bin brand new for PS2 was way more fun than V ever was.

you can't come up with some reasons on your own ?

write your own essay nigger

>>14606870

>requesting a blogpost

>>14606867

>I have no hope for GTA in the future, I bet it'll be even shorter than V

That's the only weird argument you put forward as V is about the same length as IV and SA.

>>14606912

The fuck? GTA V has only 69 missions not counting the few sidequests, which is even worse considering it's split across 3 characters. GTA IV had 88 story missions in just one city (even if some of them were pretty boring) and SA had over 100 (not counting the staggering amount of side content which is mostly absent in V)

>>14606867

> the radio as whole is just bad compared to the games prior.

Is it me or do they change the playlist from time to time?

>>14606929

Mission number is not a good way to compare length.

Let's see what howlongtobeat.com says. At least it has several hundred of playthroughs recorded to make some statistical claims.

>GTA:SA

Main - 33 hours

Completionist - 93

>GTA IV

28/81

>GTA V

31/77

SA being at 93 is probably because of the all collectable shit that I don't hink neither IV, nor V had. Maybe? But main story especially all of them are pretty much the same lenght.

Things I like from GTAV:

-the driving

-the map

-the lighting (even on ps3 was really nice)

-the multiplayer

-the movements feels much smoother than other entries in the series

I don't like

-cops ai

-no fastfoods/hospitals you can enter

-the story

-the characters

-the fact they half assed the sp, not adding things that were already in the mp

-needing to find a modder to have fun on the mp to get money

-loading times

I would replay GTA IV, maybe modded, but I cant stand how the character moves, it feels too sluggish

>>14605874

>nippon, actually mobileshit microtransaction land

>current anime is well animated

you having a laff?

>>14606942

This post, and the fact that SA had quite a few missions that were literally cutscenes. In the Beginning, Big Smoke and Sweet & Kendl make up the first 10 minutes of the game provided you don't fuck around. King in Exile and Fish in a Barrel require zero player interaction. Verdant Meadows is just a phone call and buying an airfield provided you have sufficient money to do so. Even one of the final missions in the game, Riot, is just driving to where you probably spent most of the early game and takes less than 5 minutes to beat.

Gaming needs to be a taboo again.

It used to be that if you were above the age of 12+ or 18+ and still played games - you were bullied and considered a nerd who failed at life.

AA companies flourished because there were niché audiences, good quality games came out because the consumers/market consisted of people who actually cared about video games.

>2007/2008

Then the great normalfag invasion happened. Gaming isn't taboo anymore, it's OK to be playing games as an adult, this attracted Chad and Stacy who only play AAA trash or mobile shit. They don't care about games, they just use it as a social outlet. The latest flavor of the month is PUBG Twitch/YouTube bait.

>>14603096

I hate cucks like you, you fuckers show up every single time in discussions about how shit things have gotten entertainment-wise.

Go kill yourself.

>>14603172

It's not mainstream, it went niché again but without the talented people to make up for it. They were mainstream in 2007, when they outsold fucking Hollywood and people were talking about how gaming was close to overtaking the entertainment-industry.

Then they shit their own pants and started to shit out shitty games after shitty games while the middle-market died off and no new really good games were made.

>>14606974

Modelling is far more costly than it used to be though, in terms of time, effort and money. For a game such as Forza, it now takes 6 months to scan a single car in and make it fully playable. That's not including the time it takes to track down a pristine real-life example and get it to the scanning facility. Back in the fifth gen Gran Turismo 2 for PS1 had over 400 more cars than its predecessor and released just two years later. Even with just one person working on those models it's a ratio of roughly one every 2 days. Now you need huge teams working on several models at a time to release them at a rate of 10 per month.

>>14606483

>Not watching /ourguy/ making a mockery of all the cancer in the world.

I never knew i would watch Pewdiepie of all people, but he's fantastic. Funny as fuck.

>>14607012

Sounds more like they are doing it uneffectively?

>>14607004

>It's not mainstream

bruv, vidya in the US alone makes 3 to 4 times what hollywood does in a year

Video games are most certainly mainstream, the elimination of middle market and the transition towards only massive publishers is an indicator of this as niche games that the middle market would traditionally make dries up

>>14607005

So, instead of making games harder and thus molding the current generation to be as the ones before the would just let them be unchallenged and degenerate into literal retards?

>>14604699

>i don't know how to do glitches

i did only one director mode glitch and got myself 60 deluxos+all pegasus and hangar aircraft+yacht etc. this game becomes much more fun as a result and i have so much fun ruining other people trying to make money, as well as squeakers and niggers.

>>14607117

This. The distance from the past makes you forget the 600 absolutely shit SNES games that were released during its lifespan, some of them fairly high budget. If you think Steam being overrun with shit low effort games is an unique situation you probably don't remember the DOS era. In the 90s could buy a magazine with a CD containing over 1000 DOS games (already really old games at the time), 99% of them total shovelware shit. Shit, cash grabs, mediocrity, all were released in a large amount since the dawn of time. Guess what, good games are also released all the time, just look for them instead of bitching about what mediocre shit is popular with normalfags.

>>14607176

Not sure if this question is towards me and what I am doing or the industry.

Anyway, this is basically what companies do. The newer audience is not like the one before it, they require less to be pleased and don't like hard things that take a lot of their time. Not only did developers notice this and start to pander their games more and more to the newer audience, when the new audience overtakes the original one in numbers, the developing model changes to complete pander to them. And at the same time corporations release that if they don't let the new audience to experience something with quality or actual challenge they won't require it. They become obedient consumers.

During GamerGate it was popular to say how video games and media in general doesn't have much of an effect on people, but that is just a different way of not understanding how mass mind manipulation really works in the corporatist society we live today.

>>14607176

Challenge in some single player autistic platformer is not a challenge that attracts today, challenge that is worth pursuing. Real challenge to day is in the multiplayer, that contributes to major played game hours today. In multiplier enemies are not mindless bots and can actually find back. This is type of challenge that scares /v/ shittless. "Actual enemies that can defeat me? Nooooooooooo! Make it stop! Give me back my mario, stop shooting me pls, stop bulling, stahp!"

>>14607617

Kill yourself.

>>14607833

Ico would melt their brains.

>>14602478

You just have to realize that the suits who're running this industry have board meetings where the word videogame or even the names of their products doesn't come up once….instead it's all about revenue.

>>14607882

Ico is a piss easy art game, I don't think that's what that poster had in mind.

>>14607790

>We're far more skilled at any type of game than Jim and his friends.

>this is what /v/ tells themselves to better sleep at night.

In reality any unedited multiplayer gameplay of anon will clearly show that he sucks at games. /v/ despise mass played mp games because they are too competitive for them, anon is just get reckt in these games. This is why /v/ likes to retreat to obscure outdated shit nobody plays, no players = no competition, this is safe place of /v/ to pretend they have skill swinging their arms and legs alone in their backward.

>>14607882

i love ico but >>14607917 is right

if you wanna melt a normalfag's brain try putting him through some good old point and click from Sierra

heck start them on Scumm Lucas Arts and it would still melt their brains

>>14606819

It's the first true JRPG released in a long while, as opposed to neptunia and FF garbage.

>>14607946

Single player master race here and one who absolutelly hates online multiplaye wich i'm asuming is the only multiplayer you've ever played and yeah, games are piss easy today

I have this friend of mine, a total noob at vidya no matter what he plays, but he doesn't give up, he'll beat the hardest shit by sheer perseverance cus he never ever gets anygood at anything

one day i'm at his home and he complains he got stuck on Far Cry 3, asked me for a hand since i always mop the flor with him in fighting games he asumed i'm better than him at everything, but i absolutelly hate FPSs, never played one in my life but what the heck let's try it

it took me just 2 lives to get used to the controls and then simply breezed through the level as if i was a blitzkriegin sniper

no matter how much lead i ate, i just retreat a few steps and healed myself as many times as i wanted cus no limited medpacks i just trenched myself in safes spot wich was coincidetially the spot i came across at the start of the level i never had to run anywere to resuply cus bullets grow in trees aparently killed half the enemies before they even knew i was there but thanks to marking radars x ray and many other super human handicaps i never lost trac of any of them so they couldn have amushed me even if they tried and the other half were a mix between sitting ducks at a shooting gallery and soy wars storm troopers who couldn't aim for shit, it only ever got rough in the last part when enemies start spawning from everywhere but all i had to do was pick up a rocket launcher dash to the exis blasting everything in sight

i was a fucking Rambo gone super saiyan in mid to late game

AND THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD EVER PLAYED AN FPS

So go ahead and keep denying that new vidya has been casualized, if a noob like me could just blaze through mid/late Far Cry 3 then anyone can

i couldn't even beat the original Doom for ducks sake

i felt like those button mashers in Tekken who only play with Eddy Gurdo

>>14608023

Then everyone clapped

>>14607946

These must be the kind of highly intellectual posters that pewdiepie invited here with his video.

Reading your post made me want to bully you irl and not in the fun kind of way.

'Reported

And fuck off and never come back.

>>14607917

>>14607969

I was more talking about how even Ico would melt their brains sorry for not being clearer.

>>14604990

Sounds like fun, make the damn game already

>>14607790

Killing Jim is ok.

>>14607946

Yes. We are.

We are more skilled than you, cucked era subhuman.

We are more intelligent and we have higher standards as we are higher beings.

We win over you in your games, in our games, and in real life.

Stay mad at your inferiority.

>>14603508

I am, where i live.

You don't need to make a show of it.

Killing them without even the press realizing that it was assassination (instead of "fatal robbery" or "accident") is the way to do it, for now.

>>14602513

>GTA has always been shit, excluding maybe the top down 2D titles.

Amen to that.

>>14607790

Well, he's not all wrong. Honestly all SP games, both old and new, feel the same to me.

>sit through 40 minutes of unskippable tutorials and hour of forced cutscenes, as well as a very slow start

>go through a linear empty hallway with absolutely no secrets or side shit, or venture on an empty open world with some small empty dungeons pasted around

>kill 5 predictable AI drones that you fully learn after 30 minutes

>get handheld through multiple predictable scripted events that have no important impact in the rest of the game's static world

>rush with no strategy like a retard and reload a save over and over, since there's no penalty for savescumming and there's no point in using strategy other than defeating enemies faster

>watch more cutscenes that tell you the same generic story as other 4112 games and 358614 flicks

>finally get a new weapon or skill after 3 hours of repeating this shit, only for it to become obsolete after 30 minutes of more AI grinding

>nothing interesting or new ever happens besides some glitches or RNG if the game has any

>only incentive, reason and achievement for repeating this shit for hours is watching a cutscene or some other story element that i could have simply watched on spoilers in the internet, and that a million people already watched and datamined

If anything, i don't give a shit about socializing in multiplayer games. I just play them because they're much more dynamic and have first and foremost focus on GAMEPLAY, throwing away all the wrapper shit whose effort could be spent on improving the gameplay.

Although MP really does have a lot retards in modern MP games, i know. And i'm honestly running out of options for old alive MP games now that most of my favorite MP games have been (((officially shut down))) too.

>>14608862

Everything about this post tells me you've only played single player games from 2006 and above.

>>14608862

>all SP games, both old and new, feel the same to me

>they're all shit

Name some games you played.

>>14602472

Back in the day we called these expansions. However, there isn't much need for that anymore, so you can release it digitally, and either release as much or as little as you like. However, literally every fucking developer takes advantage of this shit, and almost none of them do it right. When you've got publishers like EA and activision showing how easy it is to make a huge profit with little work involved, everyone else jumps on the band wagon. Forget trying to set an example for a healthy game market, nope, give us your money and shut the fuck up

>>14608862

>replay Blood recently

>no tutorials

>no hand holding

>within the first minute you've already encountered your first two enemy types, have three weapons and the whole level is pretty much open for you to explore

>the game doesn't pull any punches and demands you play smart and use the tools at your disposal effectively and know enemy behavior and abilities

You're just some underage cuck that never played a good game in his life.

>>14608932

>>14608907

F.E.A.R, Ocarina of Time, Diablo II, other "/v/ essential" shit as well as more obscure old AA ones that probably aren't worth naming for you anyways.

And even if i'm playing the wrong ones, the other points still stand. Gameplay-oriented SP games are and have been the minority for like 20 years. Even moreso the dynamic ones or the ones that deny savescumming.

What do you base your definition of multiplayer games on, though? Overwatch? Fortnite? other FOTM AAA shit?

>>14608975

>>14608994

>Blood

>DMC

These games don't require skill. Just like in a lot of other SP games, you have infinite shots to use cheap ways to defeat an enemy that keeps kicking your ass until you finally win or get tired.

You can't retry on MP games. And unless you're playing some modern casual shit or team-reliant cancer, the winner is always determined by who has the bigger knowledge of the games mechanics and who executes it better. And it sure as fuck feels more satisfying than saying "look guys i killed this bot :DD"

>>14609109

This is like comparing racing someone to an obstacle course. It's ultimately the same shit.

>>14606957

Konosuba Season 2

That shogi show

Mitsubusi colors or however its spelled

Kobayashi's dragon medios

Youjo Senki

Little Witch Academia

Gabriel Droupout

Demi-Chan

Meirochou

Kemono Friends

Nyanko Days was comfy

Girls Last Tour

Net-Juu no Susume (my favorite)

Blend S

Ancient Magus Bride

Konohana Kitan was a great loli show

Overlord

Darling in the Franxx

Pop Team Epig

Yuru Camp is pure comfy

There you go, a list of shows from the last two years that are good and well animated.

>>14609181

>Kemono friends

>Not well animated

Are you gay?

>>14608862

Did cuckchan go down again?

>>14609109

Quake doesn't require skill because pickups respawn. You have infinite shots to use cheap ways to defeat an enemy that keeps kicking your ass until you finally win or get tired.

>>14609380

This is better bait than what I just posted.

>>14609169

>triggershit

dude just stop. You don't even mention made in abyss and it's better than everything on that list.

>>14606942

I put 78 hours into San Andreas and had a blast. It has the most freedom and customisiblity of any GTA game which is the core idea of what GTA is supposed to be about, doing whatever the fuck you want blowing shit up flying places with a jet pack SA is the best in the series at doing that.

>>14609427

jig is up, he admitted it's bait

>>14609437

I've been rused for the last time

>>14602513

>x was never good meme

how about you fuck off back to cuckchan or reddit, and never come back.

>>14609169

thank god

i quit anime binging

>>14609496

I want cuckchan fucking gone.

>>14607790

>counterstrike requries no skill

>>14607946

My normalfag friend invited me to play fortnite and we always ended up in the last 10. We played about 8 or 9 times, so that'd make me within the top 10% of players. I don't think its any different for any other anons here either. It's simply boring.

>>14606189

Shoo shoo Gone Home Jew

>>14609109

>They don't require skill!

Yes they do. You must meet a certain threshold of skill to defeat an enemy or encounter and progress within the game. If you don't meet it you don't progress. If you can't acquire proficiency within 100 attempts, you'll probably never get by unless the game glitches through a fluke. In CS:GOY and similar trash you can acquire a high rank/ELO just by getting lucky and running into shitty players.

>You can't retry on MP games

You do that constantly though. The entire game is about retrying. The few games I can think of where death is permanent that are multiplayer are old as shit MMOs that are probably older than you are.

>Muh team cancer/modern casual shit

That's multiplayer games for you.

>But muh knowledge/game mechanics

For some games that's true, but for alot luck plays a huge factor.

>Look guys I killed this bot!

Confirmed for never playing any SP games.

>>14609751

Man I never got all the hate for gone home, sure it had little gameplay but it had a fantastic soundtrack, great atmosphere and a gripping story

>>14609920

>>14609956

>>14609960

I honestly am not baiting. I played gone home and I get why /v/ hates it, the lesbian shit and the fact there is no real "gameplay" but like I said I treat it as an interactive fiction story which it's fantastic as.

>>14609968

but the writing in that game is utter fucking garbage, get some culture moron.

>>14609990

But that isn't even the problem, while the SJW angle took to the forefront, if you take it away you get Teen Angst Story #983948 that says nothing special about anything. Even the interactive part is garbage, you just pick up shit and listen to a narration that gets ridiculously obtuse and pretentious, gone home is just bad.

>>14610068

They dump the money into games and companies as part of their stock market manipulation btw.

>>14609999

>>14610007

the music is great, the story made me cry and the atmosphere is spot on. dismissing it as garbage is brainlet tier nigger shit

>>14607012

the gran tourismo team used like 500 real life photos to model each one of those cars

>>14604948

And then, they ignore it.

A better solution: make as many consumers hate and abandon said company, and bankrupt it.

If it is not done for us, nobody shall have it.

>>14606135

Only for incompetent (marxist) programmers.

>>14610296

>Marxist programmers

I just don't get the nu-leftists that are so prevalent in vidya and entertainment in general, not to mention education. By definition the entertainment industry requires a blooming capitalistic society to even work and create enough wealth for these cucks to get their share of drugs and whores, and yet these fags desire some sort of a state corporatism which is basically what Mussolini, the Father of Fascism himself, envisioned.

>>14602513

You're a contratian meme, go back to cuckchan.

>>14609729

Yes and no, rules are simple and don't require some extensive learning on the other hand you require some practice to be good. It's like game of chess, required skill depends or your opponent skill.

>>14611302

on*

>>14608689

>>14609738

>/v/ pretends they can play games and thinks that their lies should be accepted just because they say so

Hello, libshits era of "listen and believe" is over.

>>14602467

Your mindset is cancerous. Guarantee you are under 30. Planned obsolescence is a terrible model that leads to lower quality titles churned out endlessly. There's no benefit to it for the player. Your generation ruined gaming for everyone.

>>14611372

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Everything which is closed source will become a case for some form of emulation/compatibility layer some day

Games back in the day were debugged properly and had few bugs at release.

SWBF II had ONE patch and it still runs fine.

If it crashes while loading the level it's the audio drivers fault and you should update the buggy driver.

Works fine to this date even through Pandamic has been killed by the jews.

>Planned obsolescence

This isn't planned obsolescence. Requiring servers to run for the game to be playable is planned obsolescence.

>>14611561

See

>>14609711

You're a dumb faggot.

>>14609968

>Way overpriced for being 1-2 hours long with the only "replayability" being dev commentary, no new gameplay or routes or story

>Story was basically IT"S THE 90's HOMOSEXUALITY IS BAD UNLIKE TODAY and PARENTS ARE HAVING A MIDLIFE CRISIS

>Story/puzzles isn't really told in any new or interesting way that games that with first person perspective have done before

>System requirements are somehow higher than TF2, a online mulitplayer FPS

>Yet with all the above journos praised it to high heaven

>They even tried to make a physical version of this, a 2 hour game getting physical copies, WHY?

>Gone Home design wise is basically what happens when you get a poor horror game, remove the gameplay/loss conditions and only leave story breadcrumbs around your "spooky" location that are railroaded to the player

I could understand GH being praised if it was a free Source engine mod (I'm surpirsed no one has tried to remake it in that) but being sold at it's current price and all the journo praise it got just felt wrong.

>>14611567

>using sandbox games as an argument for continuous updates

>You're a dumb faggot.

You're an irredeemable retard.

>>14609765

No. Game is shit.

Impotent soyboys like you are the only freaks that like shit.

>>14603332

Good on you, that's a fun life.

>>14610095

>gone homo made me cry

:(

>>14616201

>big sales =/= gud vidya gaem

>>>/reddit/

You truly should commit suicide along with your shitty loved ones

>>14616201

>that near quadruple sales

You seen anon, thats how we know something went wrong and normalfags latched onto it. Theres not enough of us for that.

>>14609990

If it was like $2 it'd be worth the money for the music and getting a virtual house bumming thing to go with it.

Like what Anamanaguchi or whoever it was did when they released an album, made a non-game where you just fucked out in a weird world and listened to their music.

>>14610538

You have already answered.

They want corporations as a State, akin to feudal lords, were the employees serve and don't question, in exchange for money, "prestige" (circlejerk clubs and conventions) and be forever secured to all of it as long as the company is kept functioning at a bare minimum.

That is why it is imperative to end this industry. It is too convenient for greedy and corrupt companies and too convenient to marxist pieces of shit, at the same time being complete shit for customers and everyone else.

>>14611317

Projecting liberal exposed.

We play better than all of you. And your corporate cock sucking won't change that. And it also won't prevent us from moving other people away from the shitty games that you idolize, and make them stop buying and playing those pieces of shit.

Stay mad and impotent, soyboy.

>>14611372

Another underage corporate cock sucker exposed and projecting.

Good games last forever. We play them from time to time. There is no obsolescence to good games.

DLC and any form of post content IS cancer. Games must stand on their own, and companies must never have control of the content of a game post launch.

Again, stay mad, soyboy.

We are ruining your favorite corporation's scheme and preventing them from profiting, and we will keep doing that forever.

>>14617758

He said it was bait after, keep your fucking panties on.

>>14603096

Why is spyro so fucking ugly in the remake?

>>14616261

>We are ruining your favorite corporation's scheme and preventing them from profiting, and we will keep doing that forever.

Examples?

>>14602447

AAA games are shit because the structure of the AAA games market prevents potentially disruptive innovation, such as new mechanics or IPs, in favor of more incremental innovation (muh grafix and muh story)

Note that this is different from the shittiness of the indie/AA games market, which is simply the chronic excess of supply that happens in an environment of monopolistic competition.

>>14609169

A lot of these aren't notable for the animation or were actually weak in that regard (I liked Mitsuboshi Colors, and it did a good job avoiding QUALITY for being made on a low budget, but the animation wasn't generally anything special). You've also left out series that actually were well-animated, like Slow Start.

>>14602481

Wait, what the fuck? Why was this post removed? Which cocksucking hotpocketeer decided to censor an analysis they didn't like? Talking about the profit system a little too dangerous for /v/ now?

>>14603843

>>14603866

>>14603887

>>14603962

>>14604422

Oh I see what happened. Some mod had their feefees hurt so they had to do damage control on everything I posted on the whole thread. I'm having flashbacks to 4/v/ circa ~2011 here. You shitheads have become everything I ever hated about that place: out of control mods that ban and delete for opinions they can't handle. So much for migrating to another website to escape censorship, huh?

You are a disgrace to this board and you do lasting harm to the growth of 8ch by proxy. I've wasted over a decade hoping for an online community with moderation integrity to catch on and survive and I don't know why I even bother anymore.

>>14619617

Your problem was wishing for moderation in the first place. Moderation was never useful and leads to excessiveness, specially in the hands of the fat faggot board owner we have. A community should be able to ignore cancer by themselves.

>>14618613

No, I mean examples of where your LARP operation has actually made a physical difference. 100 lost sales is an insignificant spec of dust for a game that makes even 1,000,000 sales, let alone nearly 100,000,000.

>>14602447

Capitalism working as intended.

Of course soyboys cry about "le jews", because facts hurt their little brains.

>>14618351

There is a finite number of customers. And we are increasing the number of people that stop buying games completely. Companies won't last long, even if they inflate their numbers artificially to make look like they are being successful.

As for direct examples, see nuBattlefront II, the governments going after lootboxes, the whole backlash against Disney and EA, the smaller failures such as the ones from Bioware, Cliff Blazinga, leftist indie shit (that water and wine or something, heavily marketed and still failed).

ALL of them were results from our acitons. And of course, D&C shills will try to dismiss that. But in the end, we are molding the minds of the average normalfag, and they won't be replaced by new ones. The industry is losing without replenishing. all because of us.

>>14602447

Casuals.

>>14602447

Consolefags.

>>14625684

>>14630560

Hey buddy I think you double posted.