c418b0 No.14595619
It seems like mods kept that game alive with tons of inventive ideas and it was prime youtuber b8.
Did the modders also drop it when their youtube overlords turned to streaming?
Or if i were to go and look do people like the yogscast and achievement hunter STILL make minecraft videos to a massively declining audience?
It seems strange to think it was this massive fad and nobody on earth but giga autists care anymore.
8e9f6c No.14595624
>It seems strange to think it was this massive fad and nobody on earth but giga autists care anymore.
That's why it's called a fad
bf952a No.14595654
The game is like 8 years old now, no shit it's not as popular as it once was.
Too many threads like this seem to try and start a real discussion, but end up just asking dumb questions, that the OP can likely answer himself
1b50ff No.14595656
>>14595619
The original dev was an ideas guy faggot and modders stepped in to fix it.
0ce68e No.14595683
>>14595619
I don't think people understand that the biggest appeal in the game that gave it it's popularity was 1) not having a gun strapped to your right arm at all time like every other FPS, you actually got far more interaction with the game with other stuff and 2) being able to change the environment on the fly to suit your needs.
It's like giving someone a level editor for their favorite FPS but it's so simple to use that even kids can do it and doesn't feel like it's pointless or apart from the gameplay since it's the actual gameplay. And on top of that, you do end up doing far more in that world than just shooting things.
However, these concepts have already been copied and redone a million times with a million clones. None of them will ever be as popular as Minecraft but each one does a specific thing better than Minecraft and will atract it's niche of players, slowly dripping away from the Minecraft playerbase.
For instance, you want actual exploration and a better progression, you get Terraria. It's only 2D, some of it looks even worse, but if you care more about actually discovering neat shit and fighting fun enemies, you'll prefer it.
Or you can go with FortressCraft if you like Factorio in 3D (or so I've heard). Probably won't have the same type of content and simplicity that Minecraft has, but it has a lot of content and inbuilt industrial progression.
Or you can go with Dragon Quest Builders for the town building aspect.
Or Portal Knights if co-op and construction is your thing.
Or 7 Days to Die if you need your zombies and realistic guns.
Or The Forest if you just want to make it out in the wilds against cannibals.
These and many others do lack stuff that Minecraft has, but at the end of it, can you name a specific reason to go back to Minecraft? Something unique it has that you can't find now in other games and that merits playing Minecraft instead of some other game? That's why it lost popularity, because why download a mod to include that specific type of gameplay you want when you can instead download an entire game built from the ground up to have that specific gameplay you want?
4bf4bd No.14595696
>>14595683
What really gets to me is that no one bought the LEGO rights and made a Minecraft clone out of them and then hoarded shekels by releasing content packs with characters, critters and enemies from old sets and adding functionality parts that let you building machines, vehicles, etc. Seems like a missed opportunity to be drowned in cash.
3f0bea No.14595697
>>14595619
Same fundamental problem as Skyrim.
>Core gameplay is shallow
>Mods don't fundamentally alter the gameplay, just add bells and whistles and polish to it
That being said, Minecraft had the single best game mode of all time and I'm sad it died out. Let me tell you about
>Dwarves vs Zombies
>Be dwarf
>Pick from classes or customize your gear in he lobby
>Join a game of 20-40 players
>For the first 10 minutes, run around mining cobble, making torches, building walls, making armour and most importantly, gathering gold
>Then something happens, killing a portion of the dwarves, usually something that temporarily encourages team killing
>Dead dwarves play as monsters, and where monsters go NPC zombies crawl
>After a rousing speech from the hero NPC (that one lucky player is chosen to play) it's fucking on
>Monsters can attack, and when they deal damage they get points that they can use to level up
>At one point you could be a zombie, bomb-laying 'goblin' (creeper) or a skeleton archer that could shoot fire arrows
>Random events would frequently happen to give the monsters bonus mobs to play as such as ogres, spiders, rats, skeleton pirates
>The monsters goal was to conquer each shrine and kill the dwarves
>The dwarves actually had no win con, you were just fighting to see how good you could give it
>As a dwarf takes damage their armour slowly decays and when on no armour they take massive damage and can die quickly
>Remember that invaluable gold you mined?
>Gold in your shrine slowly ticks down to restore your armour
>When the gold runs out of a shrine, you desperately hold off for as long as you can but inevitably are forced to retreat
>All the while you're trying to throw up more defences to stall the mobs
God damn it was fantastic. 40-60 minute full last-stand experience and I loved it every time. Paladins became a favourite of mine when they made it so hammers gained bonus damage for every 100 mob kills you got, and hammers did splash damage to begin with, so you were encouraged to stand in the middle of a hoard of enemies and swing until you needed to bail out.
I'll never forget the NPC chant before battle began. Shit got me pumped like you wouldn't believe.
d2dd02 No.14595714
>>14595697
Damn, now i miss it too, is it really dead these days?
3f0bea No.14595727
>>14595714
Yeah. It runs on version like, 1.8 or something, so you have to first change your version to even get to it. It was one of those beautiful gaming experiences that was god damn perfect and is now dead forever.
123634 No.14595736
>>14595727
I feel similarly about the alpha anarchy servers.
Servers that never got reset, were populated by so many different groups and guilds that came and went, each changing the land around while they stayed.
You ended up with castles and towns half destroyed, with other castles and towns above and below them. No flat spaces and water falling everywhere. It was a surreal experience to be in a massive team battle where all the layers came into effect, and you would go from shooting arrows in a water stream to fighting in a destroyed town to running through a labarynth of old battle grounds.
On some of them, you'd even see the map get mined put almost entirely, devoid of resources and trees, where every stick and plank is worth it's weight in gold.
Damn I miss it.
f85b80 No.14595769
>>14595619
>Whatever happened to Myspace?
db1c06 No.14595777
>>14595619
Minecraft is almost 10 years old anon.
Nothing lasts forever.
f85b80 No.14595780
>>14595619
Seriously though, OP, I think it's time for your YouTube channel to switch gears from Minecraft Let's Plays to becoming one of those Fortnite faggots.
42abda No.14595849
>>14595619
They pandered to kids and normalfags.
The Minecraft fad stopped, and with that the hype and they flocked off into the next Flavor of the Month game.
So now we have a game of lost potential, full of garbage and useless additions.
Still salty, this could have been Dwarf Fortress-lite 3D
3f0bea No.14595989
>>14595736
It held a certain specialness that will not be relived, like Warcraft 3 roleplay maps where there were no limits on the size of armies or the power of heroes and you could see people throwing them at each other for the sheer spirit of having two sides clash.
9941c0 No.14595991
>>14595849
Do you really think they could have managed to make the game so complex?
f31e76 No.14595992
3f0bea No.14596005
>>14595991
It had a lot of the mechanisms that could enable complexity. They just never followed up on it.
86437a No.14596010
>>14595654
New vegas is already over a decade old and still has constant mod updates to it and youtubers playing it. I could think of 3 fairly large ones right now right off the top of my head.
c4952b No.14596030
>>14596010
I am very conflicted. On one hand I would bad if I shot that legion from a mile away and then saw it was just a kid but on the other had I bet I would be pissed if it was unkillable because it was a kid.
db1c06 No.14596033
>>14596010
New vegas also doesn't come close to Minecraft in terms of viewership or volume of mod development. Minecraft isn't what it used to be but it's not dead by any means.
c7ae09 No.14596040
>>14596034
New California and Fallout: Frontier are still in development
86437a No.14596047
>>14596034
Fallout boston
Solid project
Fook
NEVEC
CaliberX
Dust
There was this one overhaul that was in a dystopian future with all the survivors being convicts overhaul, I forget the name of it, only remember they were hardline sjws, to the point where their bio of a former swat officer was "I shoot disenfranchised black people".
That's all I got off the top of my head, there's also a new one coming out that is a dlc sized mod thats post game and centers around the NCR and a new faction or something.
>>14596033
Nor is new vegas. I was using it as a reference, though admittedly, I don't know the viewership ratings of minecraft, as I don't give much of a fuck about it.
>>14596030
That's a girl, not a child. And femlegionarys are for cuddle, not shuddle.
42abda No.14596050
>>14595991
That's why i said "-lite".
Like >>14596005 said, there were some ideas that were never implemented, like gears.
Don't know man, just making proper AI for villagers so they can have real jobs (like guards that patrol) and making so they can get sieged due to other race's villages.
I mean, it's been ~10 years, they became a billionare company and a social phenomenon…
And they have added only clutter like polar bears and llamas that still do nothing.
It's a hollow game, quantity over sustance, and that's why it died.
d62303 No.14596089
>>14596010
>I can think of 3 large youtuber playing it right now
Normalfag begone
d52f74 No.14596092
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14595696
They have, only it was a buggy piece of crap at launch.
Sry for the YouTube cancer, but it was the first vid.
b4691f No.14596106
>>14596050
The problem is that there is no actual game designer working for Minecraft. It's a collection of Coders who will either make new stuff if it's easy to code like Reskinned animals. Or if it's challenging to code, such as fire optimisation or leaf growth in the least number of cycles, Notch was particularly proud of that last one. Because of the lack of a designer, the game is growing in no particular direction and is starting to suffer because of it.
It's not becoming an industrial game like Infinifactory. It's not becoming a combat game like Terraria. It's not got infinitely explorable and varied terrain like No Man's Sky.
If the coders at Notch had any idea what they were doing, they'd have literally the best game ever made, unfortunately they spent 10 years playing with Nerf guns and are getting what they deserve.
42abda No.14596126
>>14596106
>and are getting what they deserve.
This is the part i hate the most: They don't.
They should have gotten into a shitstorm of people denouncing their incompetence.
And hey, i'm not even saying "fire everybody", just "hire competent people".
Instead, thanks to shifting their demographic to kids, they got "DEDOTATED WAM" and being asked to make le ebin hunger games items.
No, they are fucking rich just by pure luck, and didn't improve the game due to it.
**Also another thing i loathe: STILL NO FUCKING OFFICIAL MOD TOOLS.
I wanted to learn gamedev while trying to unfuck Minecraft a bit, but shit is awful.**
42abda No.14596129
>>14596126
You know what, i assume my failed spoiler.
381f58 No.14596140
>>14595619
Minecraft is fun. A nice way to drown out the world and build shit for a while. That's why I bought the game way back when it was still in alpha, because it looked fun. Not because youtubers.
3d4d5c No.14596156
>>14596106
>Varied terrain like No Mans Sky
Pic related.
Sage for autism.
da48d3 No.14596164
>>14595696
LEGO did briefly make an MMO, but it was a net loss because they sunk all their post-launch budget into trying to code an AI that stops players from building penises, instead of adding new content. I'm not making this up.
ae1afb No.14596168
>>14595619
It stagnated. Microsoft should have made content and proper mod support instead of autistically porting it to everything.
f1fc7e No.14596208
>>14595619
>wasted potential
>muh dorf fort
>feature bloat
>java
These 4 points are the only ones you need to know about this rotten apple of a game. We've had this thread a million times, face the facts and let it die. Minecraft has been an unfixable mess since early beta. Move on and hope somebody makes a proper game from minetest.
b4691f No.14596238
>>14596156
Despite all the flaws of No Mans Sky, it is at least more exploration based than Minecraft and all it's gameplay tools are centered around that fact.
651af4 No.14596267
minecraft is virtual legos with some basic gameplay.
it was fun for kids to do multiplayer, and fun for autists to experiment with, and fun for some people to play survival for a little bit before it gets boring at the very beginning of the games life.
the game added half cocked updates that added some neat stuff but none of it really worth replaying the game so once you got bored there was little reason to return. once microsoft bought it and added story modes, nobody cared except the autistic kids still playing it.
379b20 No.14596383
81a826 No.14596479
>>14596140
I've started playing just recently, but still see a lot of flaws in the game, and the main is that the world is almost empty. I understand that I suppose to entertain myself, not some game scenarios, but when I explore the world all I see are trees, weirdshaped mountains and sheep, that's it. I know that game has those natural structures like dungeons and igloos, but they are almost impossible to find!
42abda No.14596578
>>14596479
>>14596267
>Let's follow the building-game route!
<Nothing incentivizes building shit
<A dirt box protects you the same as an autism-fortress
>You can make trapdoors and traps!
<No real threats means no reason to go full-autism with traps
Such a mess of a game.
Only reason to go autist is multiplayer, and it's filled with kids and spergs, so fuck that.
Also ironic since those kids only cared about "muh combat!11!! mojunhg pls add gunss"
201724 No.14596604
If anyone's looking to play:
>>14594513
651af4 No.14596862
>>14596238
>NMS
while similar, minecrafts reason for exploration (tools/things to explore farther and build cooler stuff) while the only advantage to exploring in NMS was so you can mine shit to mine more.
>>14596578
minecraft had some base building customizations. i remember i built a giant walled compound full of animals and "farms" for infinite supplies of food. (and many satelite stations so i was never too far from a place to rest and resupply/totem poles/signs) and used torches to make paths and landmarks. eventually building a railroad system between them.
the "gameplay" focus in minecraft is base building. the the reward for the grind is to build bigger/better bases which makes exploring easier, so you can build bigger better bases. someone who has played on a map for a long time will have a larger/cooler base as the fruit of their labor.
contrast this with the "gameplay" focus in NMS; exploration. the reward for its grind is to explore more with no tangible reward besides "i got to see more stuff" and there is no purpose to seeing more stuff, just to grind more and see more stuff. no fruit of your labor that you can sit back and feel like you accomplished something.
"making a lego box house with no windows is just as good as an autism-mansion" cmon, do you honestly not understand the appeal of legos and other similar toys?
aa13dd No.14597511
>>14595654
>The game is like 8 years old now
Christ
aa13dd No.14597527
Also my problem with MC is that vanilla lacks things to do, and mods are incoherent bloated messes.
Sure you could make a graphing calculator out of pistons and redstone like that one Redditor did, but it'd be a frustrating effort of slapping your dick on the keyboard until it's done, especially because placing redstone and timers is cumbersome at best. So at that point you might as well use a mod that adds simple timers and logic gates, and then it becomes a "trivial" project so why bother?
fbbf75 No.14597552
>>14595849
This right here is why minecraft died. Parents buying it for their kids en mass was the death knell for minecraft.
b4691f No.14597565
>>14596862
>while similar, minecrafts reason for exploration (tools/things to explore farther and build cooler stuff) while the only advantage to exploring in NMS was so you can mine shit to mine more.
>tools/things to explore farther
Like what? A boat that you don't need? Or a bucket to remove lava flows? Or a diamond pickaxe to mine through everything? The problem is that these are in your own words "you can mine shit to mine more".
NMS on the other hand added vehicles to aid exploration and has more varied terrain and fauna than Minecraft.
Minecraft took 100 days to program horses that probably aren't worth the cost, much like dogs.
The problem with NMS was that the entire premise was "lets look at procedurally generated stuff" and they added in bland gameplay and a dumb story to fill the bits in between to justify a $60 price tag when the concept deserved a $5 at best.
The problem with Minecraft is that the lack of direction and the lack of motivation of Mojang's employees has let the game rot in it's filth for 7 years with nothing like Pistons to actually move the core gameplay forward.
b5766e No.14597663
Frankly, all these popular video games are a massive fad and it is really quite an honor if the giga autists continue to care after the fad wears off.
651af4 No.14597719
>>14597565
>yes im literally too much of an aspie to understand the appeal of legos
why didnt you just say so?
cc0394 No.14597734
fad ended, thats what happened
even Notch doesnt really "like" this game, if anything it was experiment to him
and its true if you think about it, its an open world voxel engine
d9b0fd No.14597750
>>14596010
>New vegas is already over a decade old
It's not even 8 years old. Did you mean Fallout 3?
475ee1 No.14597767
All I want is an autistic first person wizard simulator where I'm fighting monsters maybe 20% of the time I'm playing.
a4f645 No.14597769
>>14595619
>realistic water
>lighting
>clouds
>everything solid looks like shit
Why?
b4691f No.14597773
>>14597719
Only an aspie would build things for no reason. You have to have some reason to build and to have actual things you need to build for Minecraft to be an actual game. Otherwise it's just a way for aspies to build a 1 for 1 replica of the USS Enterprise.
As a perfect example, why build things from stone when dirt works almost exactly the same? In fact, the best way to defend your home in Minecraft was to disguise your house as part of nature rather than making castles.
42abda No.14597799
>>14596862
>I am an autist, that justifies it
So many words to not say anything.
The only reason to make automated/big farms/redstone shit/grind rare materials is because you are an autist and want to do it.
There's no reason to do so, you can get by with basic buildings.
15bf0a No.14597826
>>14597799
Would Minecraft be a better game in your opinion if it had a clock ticking away where you need to produce an ever increasing amount of food or whatever to not die?
This "must" vs "can" is not a great argument against MC, there are a lot of good games that aren't strictly forcing you to do everything, but are good through having the opportunity to do shit that you find interesting. Not to say that MC is a good game, it's just bad for other reasons.
d7b42a No.14597841
>>14595619
Updates have effectively split the modding-base. For a long time, there were no updates, with 1.7.10 was the most recent version. That caused a lot of mods to be made and updated for that version. 1.8 eventually came out, and so much of the fundamental code was rewritten, that modding had to be figured out all over again. So there was even more time where 1.7.10 was the latest moddable version. Then Forge for 1.8+ versions was released, and that caused the first division. A lot of people didn't want to move from the version that had all their favorite mods. Others demanded that every mod be updated for 1.8+, because they refused to play on anything but the most recent version of MC. Some modders didn't want to bother having to update to a new, very different version of MC. Some wanted to only support the most recent versions, for the curse bucks. Just as icing on the shit cake, each new version of Minecraft is incompatible with mods for older versions, meaning each update fractures the modders even more. Also, modding, in 1.8+, takes a severely larger amount of resources than previous versions, because the main dev behind Forge is an egotistical, autistic fatass who refuses to acknowledge most problems with it as being his fault. Either "it's the modders for fucking up", even when it is demonstrably Forge that isn't working correctly, or "people simply don't have good enough computers." Because it's reasonable to expect people to have top of the line PCs for playing fucking Minecraft. I have never seen a modding community as arrogant, greedy, and stupid as Minecraft's, and it's a shame.
651af4 No.14597846
>>14597773
>Only an aspie would build things for no reason.
lol, why would you do something just for fun?
yea, why complete a challenge in a game if youre not getting an xbox trophy, right?
anon, only an aspie wouldnt understand the appeal of creating something for fun and being able to interact with it.
its no different than legos. childish yes, but nobody is arguing it isnt a childish game/concept. but its pretty autistic if you seriously dont get why someone would prefer building a giant elaborate mansion instead of a box house.
stick figures accomplish the same goal in a comic to creat characters and tell stories, but some people would prefer to draw something alittle more elaborate.
think.
e02960 No.14597848
1.7.3 Beta was the last time the game was actually fun. It's been dead since the adventure update or whatever the fuck they called it.
dea3f1 No.14597873
>>14597848
Xbox division has an amazing talent of destroying everything they touch. They've destroyed:
>rareware
>Perfect Dark
>Banjo Kazooie
>Halo
>Minecraft
I'm sure I'm missing more franchises they've destroyed, but my point is that MS and Xbox can destroy anything, no matter how popular or successful it is. Age of the game really doesn't matter as much as you guys think, there are plenty of games that are older but still get plenty of mods and attention.
d7b42a No.14597874
>>14597826
It's not an issue of "must" vs. "can", it's an issue of "why bother". There's no incentive to build a house more complex than an empty cube. There's no reason to do anything but build a small wheat farm for the purpose of feeding yourself. Sure, you can build a giant, redstone automated farm that gives you thousands of wheat in a short time-frame, but there's no purpose to getting that much wheat in that little time. You can build a big, pretty mansion, but all you get out of it is something pretty to look at. While both of those can be a satisfying result, as a builder, it largely ignores the "game" portion of Minecraft, and you can accomplish the exact same thing, for the exact same reward, in creative mode. Minecraft makes a good sandbox, but it's a terrible game.
dea3f1 No.14597884
>>14597874
Microsoft failed to turn a tech demo into a game. Compare Minecraft to something like Dragon Quest Builders. MS could have easily done something like charged a $5/mo subscription and keep chugging out scenarios and stories, things to actually do in the world besides created autistic creations for approval of your peers.
MS buying Minecraft was basically them going
>wow Minecraft is popular we can just keep it mostly the same and make only small changes and it'll make money forever!
dea3f1 No.14597885
>>14597874
Microsoft failed to turn a tech demo into a game. Compare Minecraft to something like Dragon Quest Builders. MS could have easily done something like charged a $5/mo subscription and keep chugging out scenarios and stories, things to actually do in the world besides created autistic creations for approval of your peers.
MS buying Minecraft was basically them going
>wow Minecraft is popular we can just keep it mostly the same and make only small changes and it'll make money forever!>>14597874
b4691f No.14597890
>>14597846
>lol, why would you do something just for fun?
Only aspies find building huge object with no function fun. Aspies enjoy recreation of things they already know, non autistic people try creating new things.
>being able to interact with it
Being able to interact with what? You can break it, you can repair it and you can walk around and look at it. If you're really lucky, you made it out of redstone so you can flip a switch and watch it do something.
As another anon said, there's only so much fun had in building with no limitation. Once you get bored of playing legos, what's the point?
42abda No.14597918
>>14597826
No asshole, it's exactly this >>14597874
Why put hunger mechanics if you are gonna half-ass them.
And ask yourself that with every single fucking mechanic in this game.
You can't even me motivated to make house for the villagers, because their AI is so stupid they all group up in one house/room when night time comes.
>>14597846
Yeah, because the game wasn't created with survival on mind from the start.
OH WAIT, IT FUCKING WAS
First builds of the game even show a FUCKING RPG-STAT SYSTEM
>M-muh imagination and childish concept
Oh fuck off, it was pandering to them what killed the game
4616b7 No.14597934
Microsoft turned it into a massive DLC-fest cashcow Windows 10 Exclusive console shitshow and it stopped giving faux-hipster credit to be 'into minecraft'.
3a1de5 No.14597936
>>14597890
>Only aspies find building huge object with no function fun.
It's so obvious you never grew up with lego, that is just so fucking dumb boys love trying to build shit and you can tell if boys had a healthy upbringing based on what they try to build and if they try to show it off or not. Utilitarian views of building things only for purpose and function is by people who are pretty much dead inside or get no joy or satisfaction from seeing their creations.
b4691f No.14597949
>>14597936
>muh imagination
>muh childhood
I bet your favourite movie was Ready Player One, you keep bringing up playing Lego as a kid so I can only assume you enjoy Nostalgia a little too much.
7bdd33 No.14597973
>>14597936
>Utilitarian views of building things only for purpose and function is by people who are pretty much dead inside
Where do you think you are?
8f85d7 No.14597987
There was a french guy making some kind of "minecraft clone but not really" in space and it looked pretty good if I may say so. Sadly I don't remember the name of the game anymore.
7bdd33 No.14597996
>>14597987
Was it No man's sky? :^)
8f85d7 No.14598001
>>14597996
Wasn't french nor made by a single autist.
>it looked pretty good if I may say so
I'd never say that about nu-male sky
3a1de5 No.14598002
>>14597949
>you keep bringing up playing Lego as a kid
IDs Nigger, scrolled the top page and your reply is the first thing I saw.
7bdd33 No.14598006
>>14598001
I know I wasn't just joking about the whole "minecraft in space" bit.
7bdd33 No.14598008
>>14598006
*was just joking
2e4406 No.14598009
>>14595619
Giga autists were the only people who cared. But now those giga autists are adults and playing their 'adult' game for giga autists
b4691f No.14598010
>>14598002
Yet your main argument was so similar I can only assume you hopped IPs because you were losing an argument.
8f85d7 No.14598012
>>14598006
Ah, ok. Can you even build anything on nu-male sky, though?
7bdd33 No.14598016
>>14598009
>now those autists are adults
>PUBG
Anon it's only been like three years since mine craft started fading, they aren't adults. And the hot new meme game is fortnite.
dea3f1 No.14598018
>>14597987
>what is infiniminer
7bdd33 No.14598019
>>14598012
I think they added it in at some point but who the fuck cares.
8f85d7 No.14598027
>>14598018
Never heard about it. Is it any good?
Now that I think about it, the game was more like Empyrion than minecraft.
dea3f1 No.14598037
>>14598012
numale's cry has a lot in common with Minecraft, it's a tech demo for creating worlds with a bunch of random as fuck gameplay mechanics thrown on haphazardly. But that's the problem with these types of games. They start out as cool tech demos, and that's all they are. But you can't sell a tech demo, so they try and turn it into a game by just randomly throwing things on it. Everyone who was playing Minecraft from the early days knows it. It started out as an autistic block building and exploring game. Then they started adding more building tools, and it was cool. but then they ran out of ideas, the new building blocks were stupid and they barely got used. So they gave up, and decided it was better to try adding new game mechanics. And that's when it all started going down hill with shit like the hunger bar. And BlowGang didn't know what the fuck they were doing or how to make a game. They knew how to make a voxel block based tech demo where you can add and remove blocks in a generated world. Everything after that was an afterthought. And that's why it turned in a steaming pile of shit and a giant mess. Obviously MS helped, because I'm sure every step of the way there was some business man telling all the developers
>oh no sorry you can't do that we did some market research here and that won't sell
>>14598027
It's basically what Minecraft ripped off, before Mojang started shilling it on places like leddit and Minecraft grew. Only thing Notch was good at was making a bloated tech demo and conning ledditors into thinking it's a sweet game.
8f85d7 No.14598039
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>>14598027
Found it! Game is called skywanderers.
38442e No.14598048
>>14597841
Holy fuck, this was the post I was going to make pretty much exactly.
Apathy can be a devastating weapon when applied on a grand scale, and Minecraft is no exception. Because they didn't update for over a year, they created a bubble within the community, something that hadn't really happened before. Post-Adventure you had some of the purists upset over the removal of the Far Lands, but it was a simple fix and most of us kept trucking on. The build up to Bountiful was something entirely different.
One of the biggest flaws with modding, as pointed out in >>14597527, is that they have little to no coherency. Integration is sparse, except for those with a million+ in downloads, made by teams that would rival Mojang's own. And why aren't they integrated, you ask? Because those who develop these mods have no time to do that. You integrate your mod with another, you integrate it for one version only. Next version their mod will be built entirely differently, as will yours, and you'll have to figure it out all over again. The continued insistence on using Java is the exact thing that has done Minecraft in ever since the Beta days.
They should have implemented a service that dealt with porting mods from version to version, because as it stands, you have a majority playerbase who considers everything beyond 1.7.10 non-canon, and an ever-dwindling minority that tries to move with the times before inevitably getting ran over. Modding for this game is a complicated nightmare with the only consolation that everything is open-source and provided you have an elementary understanding of Java, can polish some of that roughness out to make something that looks somewhat Vanilla.
3a1de5 No.14598058
>>14598010
Don't know what to tell you since in your mind I'm two separate people. I could cap his posts and mine but then you'd say I edited the (you)s out or some such nonsense.
b4691f No.14598088
>>14598058
Nigga, you came in here using the same "muh feels" argument he did when presented with facts. Even if you two were different people, it doesn't matter because neither of you are presenting anything of substance.
b0157d No.14598110
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>>14597987
I remember exactly what you're talking about, though it took me a minute to find the name; I shilled it for free a while back, since I thought it looked a teensy bit promising. It's Skywanderers.
Principally made by one Frog, might have some other contributors. Notable for having seemingly solved the scalability, maximum speed and mid-development featureitis problems, maybe optimization also since I assume this frog doesn't have a supercomputer; everything has been dedicated towards frontloaded engine groundwork and baseline features. Has over 30 dev diaries, numbered or otherwise.
Since it's in closed pre-alpha for Kikestarter donators only, and I haven't been paying much attention at all, I have no idea if it has a real gameplay loop yet or isn't just a test mode. Rather than try and sift through for the most relevant diaries, I'll just drop this shiny looking display video of a Mobile Suit-style mech; beside ships, groundwork was laid very early for terrestrial and semi-terrestrial vehicles, namely hovercraft, Battletech style walking tanks with vehicle controls, and humanoid Mobile Suits that control like a player character walking around.
There's far more relevant videos I could link, but I feel like the MS and the scale of this one are novel and attention grabbing even at this early stage; it'll be interesting to see if pseudo-AMBAC granted by having ordinary player controls gives similar agility advantages to MS in Gundam itself in space combat.
42abda No.14598116
>>14598088
The hail dubs don't lie.
Rose-tinted glasses aren't an argument, also as i said before:
This game was created as a survival game.
Creative (as you say "Lego") mode wasn't added for a long, long time due to autists sperging about "muh autism buildings" instead of focusing ON THE FUCKING GAMEPLAY ASPECT.
Why create ghost towns, castles so empty they could be confused as mausoleums, and clutter your property with automations working without no one to serve?
We are discussing the game part, not legos.
d7b42a No.14598119
>>14598058
>anon gets into argument with several large posts
>suddenly stops posting, despite previous investment in argument
>you coincidentally show up right at that point, presenting the same types of arguments
Whether or not you are the same anon, you have to admit it's incredibly suspicious.
b4691f No.14598124
>>14598116
B-b-but muh lego
M-muh nostalgia
I-if you don't l-like rebuilding the USS Enterprise - B, then you're the autist
88c02f No.14598127
>>14597734
>its an open world voxel engine
There's no voxels in Minecraft you lying bastard.
d122b5 No.14598137
>>14598124
Minecraft's survival mode is passable. It's creative mode is where the 10 year old faggots scream at each other.
828b14 No.14598154
It got stagnant and the updates started to become boring and mundane. What mods accomplish could be added legitimately into the game in a matter of days, but for some reason it takes them forever to add water physics.
That and they fundamentally changed how the world generates, looks ugly as fuck now in my opinion. It's got to the point I prefer to only play in winter or island biomes. And if anything, my interest in Minecraft has resurged with the new Aquatic Update.
ee3539 No.14598170
>>14596164
>The retards leading lego needed to develop an AI to prevent people from building with legos.
This is some fucking cyberpunk shit we live in.
d7b42a No.14598181
Speaking of how shit the updates got, remember when they came up with four separate enemy concepts, then decided to implement only one, determined by a community vote? Just how fucking lazy can they be?
33bbbf No.14598185
>>14595619
It's also the fact that devs kept putting shitty pseudo RPG elements in the updates instead of expanding redstone/mechanical devices. They also chose to market it to 9yo squeekers who are too dumb to even build anything complex.
>>14596208
This too. Notch is a hobbist who wasn't even remotely qualified to develop a game.
91d3dd No.14598243
>>14598181
and the one in the concept looks better than what they put in game
d3c7f5 No.14598417
>>14597750
2010 was 10 years ago anon…
091c53 No.14598423
>>14598181
I genuinely find those designs erotic
what is wrong with me.
b0157d No.14598437
>>14598027
Beside that niche interest of mine, you can see anything really relevant in this >>14598039 trailer, although it's pretty plainly a mockup made with alpha mechanics. Again, unless more progress has been made than I thought, there's no gameplay loop yet, no survival shit, just groundwork on groundwork. But other novel features, from memory and after a quick review, include;
>parts can clip instead of having hard collision at all times on the same craft, which is very useful in varying degrees for things like sliding doors and telescoping parts
>easy function parts/blocks that are more or less out-of-box functional like the trash that is Minecraft redstone or piston blocks without taking up the ludicrous amount of space or having the same lack of control; at the same time they have a good degree of the programability of Space Engineers or Empyrion without so much menu clutter, as you can directly go up to buttons & panels and link them to function blocks in the 3D environment
>environments are more or less 1:1 in scale, FTL speed is a matter of sheer throttle and not a warp mechanic as I recall
>proper bubble shields, though the current WIP appears to only be up to capacitor blocks
>repair system that remembers destroyed blocks' placement; gamestate save of a ship and exported/imported blueprints are kept separately, which I imagine should help prevent wonky misremembering by the game of damage levels
Sage because I'm doing it for free and feel a bit distasteful. But essentially, the reason to keep tabs on it is because the development cycle is not fucked up and backwards like every other game in the genre has been, so it looks like it'll turn out a lot better given time than those games which blew their load on shitty survival modes with incomplete mechanics.
d6cec7 No.14598473
>>14598423
Do you have any idea why?
091c53 No.14598499
>>14598473
It's mostly the first i find sexy because of the long tongue and fucked up mouth,reminds me of a predator or xenomorph.
d6cec7 No.14598515
>>14598499
Understandable have a day
091c53 No.14598535
>>14598523
I'd let myself get sucked off by that snake thing,hell yeah.
a4f645 No.14598691
>>14598154
What point is there to water physics or any of that horseshit when most of the game is made up of large ugly blocks?
1d8735 No.14598773
>>14595624
Yeah. It made a few billion and now its gone. In 20-30 years it will show up in nostalgia movies and TV shows.
1d8735 No.14598837
Be autistic. Hate Lego. Do not give a shit about building, exploration or "muh imagination". Hashtag not all autists.
Game was a normalfag hype, don't drag the mentally ill into this thank you.
475eb2 No.14599938
The problem is that alot of modders stopped making new ones over time, and also since there are so many versions now, either the modders stick to 7.10 or update it with every new minecraft version in order to make it more likely to be used.
My personal favorite mod was TerraFirmaCraft, but sadly it's not being updated anymore
97c476 No.14599946
like arma 2, day z, pubg, tribes ascend, etc. the interest died, the fad ended, and people moved onto the next thing.
4f9f0d No.14599967
Never played Minecraft but I'm downloading Minetest to see what all the fuss is about.
Do I need to use mods or is the base game good enough as is?
e38aba No.14600113
I'm more annoyed that Microsoft peddles this as one of their big deals, but no one has managed to get the devs to start pushing content for it.
I can't even remember how long it's been, but how about sending some competent people into there so they can start making furniture with different styles. It'd be kind of cool to see villages actually fleshed out with different furniture sets and then be able to decorate your own places with it too But that probably won't ever happen, even with them talking about how great Minecraft in 4k will be Plugins for the game has apparently come a long way though, my friend got me back into playing and I've seen everything from Call of Duty and DayZ clones that aren't actually half bad as homages to full on RPGs
e38aba No.14600122
>>14597973
Brutalism was a mistake
8406fe No.14600157
>>14595696
Then there was the time Lego did Minecraft.
f706d0 No.14600166
>>14600122
Brutalist architecture is so ugly and depressing. Why does a part of me like them so much? Its like you make a style of buildings perfectly fit for some dystopian vidya setting where everything is bleak and ugly but decide to put it in real life instead
f1718a No.14600724
>>14600166
Do you really think that this
>>14600122
Is brutalist? Really?
103e35 No.14600772
Is there any mod that introduces click-and-drag building like in Ace of Spades/Build and Shoot? That's like the one thing that would make Minecraft enjoyable for me again.
9905d6 No.14600792
>>14595653
This is caused by several things:
1) minecraft was never designed to have fast movement, and whenever something was added to let the player move faster it fucked shit up because of how long it took a load and/or render chunks, there was never any smart way of predicting where the player would move to next so that a path could be loaded preemptively
2) if parts of the world were not visible they were rendered regardless, if you looked down you were technically "seeing" all the caves and light sources beneath the ground
3) merging the client/server code did not help matters except for modders because now you connected to an internal server to play single player and none of the above issues were rectified
4) forge, forge is actually a monstrously bloated hunk of shit that drags down performance without any other mods, and it has been like that at least since 1.6.4 and only gotten worse as far as I can tell, seriously do a comparison, run minecraft vanilla and then install forge, see how much of a difference it makes
I've compared tekkit (v1.2.5) to FTB (v1.5.x) to FTB (v1.6.4) and despite FTB for 1.5 having more mods and graphical enhancements it performed far better than for 1.6.4 with less mods and graphical overhauls, tekkit for 1.2.5 was on-par with FTB for 1.5 getting over 100fps at any given time
>>14596126
>STILL NO FUCKING OFFICIAL MOD TOOLS
Don't worry anon, I'm working on it. IF I manage to pull off this miracle, then blocks/items/recipes can be added/removed/changed on a whim and no hard-set game rules.
>>14596578
I know these points all too well, but building is all about the aesthetic, and having a nice base is all the reward I think is needed for that.
Other things that are completely not thought out:
>boats, meant to help you traverse water instead of having to build a railway are less convenient because of them breaking when they hit everything
only for the combat update did they fix that, but made boats irrelevant by adding the frost walker enchant
>beacons, a reward for beating a harder boss than the end dragon, has virtually no use because of the time/materials required to make the beacon base vs. how far it's AOE buff reaches
I could only see it being useful for fighting the wither again but for what purpose? and the wither could just blow up the damn beacon
also
>takes far too much time and resources to gather wither skulls to summon a wither vs. the reward for beating it
a nether star, which only has two uses now (thanks to the combat update), a beacon and I think it's used to re-summon the end dragon
>potion brewing now takes blaze powder as fuel, when the whole point of a blaze rod being in the recipe was that the blaze rod always burns thus no fuel is required
>potion clouds require dragon's breath, which is rather difficult to obtain and offer no benefit over splash potions other than if you miss your target they still have a slim chance of walking through the cloud
>potion tipped arrows are only really useful in pvp because of healing/harming having opposite effects on most mobs or not being able to hit teleporting mobs, in which case it's cheaper just to throw a potion
>risk of getting blaze rods is mostly negated thanks to addition of shields
>glider (elytra) requires the most time to obtain but takes DAMAGE on use, requiring constant repairs
>villagers are still jews, there's no fucking reason to waste resources on trading with them when it's cheaper just to harvest the resources yourself
>temples are fucking gay because they reward you with shit you get within the first few minutes of playing, discouraging exploration at all
the only example that differs is the ocean temples but enjoy your cyclops cat-urchin lasers
Oh, and one thing I learned recently was that potion brewing was originally intended to be done with the cauldron by, you guessed it, throwing items into it to modify the recipe (hence why the cauldron fills 3 bottles) but it was scrapped because notch thought it wasn't intuitive and too complicated
9905d6 No.14600793
>>14600792
>>14597734
Notch is bored, and he's posted on his twitter recently another engine he wrote in java that uses octrees (he basically remade minecraft's engine but optimized to handle ultra tall worlds like minetest)
>>14597885
Microsoft buying minecraft was a tax write-off. They avoided paying billions in tax owed to the fed by simply buying up a foreign company. They did the same thing with nokia, and they will continue to do it so they never have to pay their taxes.
>>14599946
day z died because it was never going to be finished or fixed, tribes ascend died because hirez are fucking assholes that made a pay-to-win cycle that forced early players to grind so many hours every day to purchase 1 of 5 over powered as shit weapons from a pack using credits, getting their ass pounded all the while from buyfags, only to have those weapons nerfed into uselessness the next week, rinse repeat every few weeks until only BR remains
>>14599967
minetest isn't a game really, the engine has practically no functionality built-in, even the default game mod is composed of mods, the upside is that you don't need a modpack to join a server, all mods are lua scripts that get downloaded to the client from the server, downside is that the mods are lua scripts
03ae65 No.14601242
>>14600792
>intended to be done with the cauldron
And they've replaced it with that brewing stand. I just wanted to make some potions, why is that should be so hard now? How am I supposed to craft that thing?
f706d0 No.14602003
>>14600724
The last is one yeah
9905d6 No.14602553
>>14601242
There was even a mod that I think never made it past half-baked status that implemented a crucible for making metal alloys but in the same way notch originally intended the cauldron be used for potions.
63a552 No.14604709
Are there any mods that nicely complement Matter Overdrive? I was thinking WarpDrive + Mystcraft (it seems you can make Myscraft dimensions acessible through space with WarpDrive, so they'd work like planets you can visit and all that), but is there anything else?
>ICBM (for ship-ship fighting)
>Sync (little mod that enables you to make clones of yourself and transfer your conscience into them when you die)
I'm looking for mods that will give me something to do, enemies to fight with my plasma guns, weird alien creatures to discover and catalog, etc. Anything interesting, really.
63a552 No.14604743
>>14604709
shadow bumplock? why isn't the thread bumping?