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Reminder that Batman TAS SNES>>>Arkham.

>>14595337

I hate anything and everything related to bamham TAS.

>>14595363

How about the Wayforward Brave And The Bold game?

>>14595383

Wayforward are ok guys in my book, I might check it out.

>>14595414

I figure batman's the "easiest". No crazy powers, only punches and kicks and toys and a general lack of detective shit.

Most DC games are pretty good tbh.

"Muh Superman 64" and Aquaman not withstanding

>>14595416

The sequel carried on the nether realm tradition of making the roster worse and taking the story from fun to tryhard.

>>14595504

>have a gazillion DLC characters planned

>don't bother to have base characters react to them planned

I don't get it.

>>14595432

>and a general lack of detective shit

Imagine they did Batman right for once and gave him an actual detective game. I remember a post from a while back where an Anon suggested a LucasArts-style P&C based off the Adam West show. Something like that could be fucking incredible, but no, here's some more beat-'em-ups with DETECTIVE VISION.

>>14595504

The first game's story wasn't really that fun in the first place. It's essentially just a darker version of the Justice Lords episode with some Kingdom Come and Red Son thrown in, and I can't say it's any more interesting than those stories.

>>14595518

I thought Origins was going to do detective shit for once with the need to rewind crime scenes and whatnot, but it was essentially following the HUD of the game while Batman makes some impressive leaps in logic.

>>14595493

>There are no good superhero games

There are also no good superheroes

>>14595577

There is also no good

>>14595622

And also

>>14595577

What about Plastic Man or All Might?

>>14595708

That's some nice plot there.

that cinematic trailer though

>Capeshit

>>14595493

>There are no good superhero games except for perhaps Crackdown. And maybe a couple of spiderman games.

>he hasn't played hulk: ultimate destruction

Oh shit nigga you're in for a treat

>>14595493

>no good superhero games.

>X-men: Children of the Atom

>Capcom Arcade beat em ups,

>Batman NES

Not even going to mention Spider-Man on N64/PSX and Spider-Man 2.

>>14595750

>>14595577

>fotm anime

Bait aside, Superman is an incredibly difficult character to write. Idk if that makes him a bad character but he has had a handful of really fucking good stories.

>>14596397

>Not even going to mention Spider-Man on N64/PSX and Spider-Man 2.

>mentions them

Now that's just bad grammar.

>>14596249

They'd just make the females ugly like they did in Injustice.

>>14596399

He's difficult because he's very, very close to a Mary Sue. He's super strong, super fast, incredibly intelligent, humble, helpful, has basically no demons in his closet. About the only angst around him is that he's afraid of hurting people with his strength, the fact he can't save everybody and that he'll outlive many of his friends.

Now compare him with Batman and his mental illness and how he goes about his business. Batman gets more of everything because he is the more compelling character, same as to why Spider-Man is always more popular than Captain America.

>>14596480

>angst

And that's the problem, the character doesn't work with angst. There an inherit optimism with him that can be difficult to convey properly. When they say

"This looks like a job for SUPERMAN!"

It should be because literally no one else can handle the situation. He's the Man of Tomorrow and his stories need to show it. Physical conflict doesn't do it for him, he should win just about any fight.

>>14596587

That's the issue though, there's only so many stories about "Superman is a good guy" and "Superman punches hard" you can tell before you run out of novel ideas. He works well enough if all you're trying to do is write a story about a strong guy in some whacky universe were crazy shit happens, but if you place him into a continuity how long can you keep inventing new plots before they all blur together?

All Star Superman was pretty much the best you could do with the character, and there's really nowhere else to go from there unless you want to make Superman go full Mr. Coldsteel.

>>14596442

>Shazam

You mean Captain Marvel, who had to be renamed in Injustice because normalfags would've confused a single character with an entire fictional universe?

>>14596480

He actually WAS having a pretty good run when DC decided to give him a family that hack Bendis is already ruining. Superman made for a fun dad the way the new 52 Batman and Robin were the best Batman comics in years.

The problem is people take these characters far to seriously and keep forcing edge on them. Really, Superman could be having anime tier fights with his power set, but writers completely miss the point of him and just hate him because he’s a “Boy Scout” when that’s always been the point.

>>14596607

I actually agree with this 100% but damnit I want to believe. He really needs his own universe.

>>14597019

The fact Gail Simone still has work just shows how much of a cesspool of nepotism the comic industry is.

>>14597191

You mean you aren't hyped™ for Gail Simone™'s Plastic Man™?

>>14596480

Superman's angst and inner conflict is that he has the personality of a regular guy, but the powers, and thus responsibilities of a god. And not just physically, but socially. He's not actually the most powerful thing around, every issue he fights another thing that is legitimately challenging for him, another villain that's more powerful or cunning than him, but he knows that everyone looks to him to save the day. Meanwhile, he'd probably prefer to just go home and listen to music or something, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

People think of Batman as the everyman superhero because he doesn't have superpowers, but personality-wise, he's very far from the everyman. Superman is the everyman. He's just some guy who grew up on a farm and got an okay job at a newspaper. Batman and Green Arrow and even Blue Beetle are billionaires, Flash and Green Lantern are cops, Captain Marvel is a kid, Hawkman is Indiana Jones, but Superman is a straight up middle of the road most regular guy you can think of, who just so happens to have superpowers and the whole world, including all the other superheroes, look up to him as a god.

>>14596587

Superman has worked with angst many times. But when you talk about optimism, the thing is that that's at the end of the story. Superman can work in dark worlds and can have great inner angst, but he overcomes it. Because that's what a story is. Superman lives in a world with tons of darkness. 9/11 was barely made the news in the DCU because the headlines were stolen by the universe being destroyed by Imperiex. And his plan hinged on infinite universes being killed only a few years earlier by the Anti-Monitor. And Imperiex isn't even considered a real "Crisis" in the DCU. It was nothing compared to what happens there every couple of years, which is about every year or two in-universe. Superhero universes are inherently dark because they involve insane amounts of battle and carnage. But the key is that they don't feel that dark because the protagonists overcome them, which Superman does. He just needs to overcome his inner conflicts as well, and feel optimistic himself. Which again, he usually does, except for in crap adaptations like new movies and Injustice.

As for angst, there are many great Superman stories that show his angst at the responsibility I mentioned, about being adopted and his heritage being wiped out, about various failures like not being able to restore Kandor. We relate to angst, and when Superman feels it and overcomes it, it gives us hope that we can as well.

>>14596607

>That's the issue though, there's only so many stories about "Superman is a good guy" and "Superman punches hard" you can tell before you run out of novel ideas. He works well enough if all you're trying to do is write a story about a strong guy in some whacky universe were crazy shit happens, but if you place him into a continuity how long can you keep inventing new plots before they all blur together?

The continuity helps, because it forms a much more complex reality that allows you to do much more complex stories. The problem is that you have to have 12th level autism to understand them. The mind bending shit that goes on with the multiverse, or Superman battling abstract concepts, or Superman being an abstract concept, is something that has never been adapted properly, and thus casuals don't know about it, but it's great, and much more meaningful than the stuff the casuals do know about.

Then again, you can just keep doing all sorts of crazy sci-fi as well. The character is very versatile. When you really look into it, Superman hasn't punched Brainiac as many times as you think. And you can always change Brainiac into another form again. Plus, most Superman stories aren't even about punching. Villains come up with issues that can't be solved by punching, hence Superman is still at a disadvantage.

>>14596936

Removing Superman from the DCU would remove him from most of his best stories. These long running characters have the multiverse built into them. How many Superman stories do people care about from before he first teamed up with Batman in the mid '50s? Very few, and most of those are from his first two or three years of publication.

Superman has cool concepts and characters that are intrinsically his, but there are so many more that involve DCU stuff that you're basically cutting off at least half of your good Superman stories without them.

>>14595001

DC makes better vidya than Marvel.

Comics are and have always been a Jewish corruption of the European fable to brainwash children with Leftist propaganda.

>>14610921

>tfw it’s super hard to find European lore, fables, and myths

Shame there isn’t a mega collection .

>>14596442

There are also no good superheroes :^)

>>14596399

>American writers often say they find it difficult to write Superman. They say he’s too powerful; you can’t give him problems. But Superman is a metaphor. For me, Superman has the same problems we do, but on a Paul Bunyan scale. If Superman walks the dog, he walks it around the asteroid belt because it can fly in space. When Superman’s relatives visit, they come from the 31st century and bring some hellish monster conqueror from the future. But it’s still a story about your relatives visiting.

>>14595414

NES Batman could be literally any other character though. Great game, but it feels like another game with a license slapped on.

>>14602345

DC does everything better than Marvel EXCEPT live action movies.

>>14614202

Get ready for that to change soon. They’ll be as bad as marvel if not worse.

Batman Returns on the SNES.

No because they only make Batshit games despite the fact that a Flash or Wonder Woman game would be amazing.

>>14618732

To play devil's advocate, OPM is satire, and in DBZ they at least give the illusion of vulnerability by making goku and the like able to die, even though they always just get wished back.

>>14610921

Then how do explain beloved conservative heroes? Comic books are the only popular media I can think of that actually showed multiple different political views and ideologies well.

>>14595504

>black adam is in but shazam isn't

>black adam literally only uses lightning attacks and melee

why are we still here

>>14618759

The first Death of Superman story is from like 1960. It was an "Imaginary Story," but aren't they all? Then Superman died for real in 1993 anyway.

People just don't read Superman stories and don't know what actually goes on in them. He fights challenges on his level. It's not like he's going out to fight The Joker. He's fighting aliens and robots who pose physical threats to him, and frequently the whole planet or universe. But a whole lot of the stories revolve around Superman fighting threats that strength can't beat. Mad scientists like Lex Luthor outsmart Superman, or freaky godlike things like Mister Mxyzptlk are so far beyond Superman's level of power that he's effectively in no better position than a regular guy.

I finally got around to watching One Punch Man recently and was thoroughly disappointed. It only occasionally plays with the idea of being so powerful that you can't be physically outmatched and when it does, I've seen it better in a hundred Superman stories, despite the fact that Superman can be physically outmatched. The rest of OPM is basically a regular japanese superhero story where the character's gimmick doesn't make a difference. I'll try reading the manga to see if that makes it any better, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Dragon Ball Z is the same type of thing as Superman, where it tries to feel like you're dealing with incredibly high power levels, but the opponent matches or outmatches the protagonist, so it doesn't matter outside of spectacle.

>>14618763

Note that many of the most beloved creators, like Spider-Man creator Steve Ditko or Dark Knight Returns writer Frank Miller, are very conservative. It's only in recent years that things have become totally fucked politically.

>>14618763

>Comic books are the only popular media I can think of that actually showed multiple different political views and ideologies well.

You mean when they try to make the villains like Red Skull sound like conservatives but drop unintentional redpills?

>>14618796

Except none of Superman's most memorable villains match him physically. Luthor, Brainiac, Zod, Metallo, Mxy, and Mongul all try outsmarting him. The only characters I can think of who try to match brawn with Superman are Bizarro, who literally can, and Lobo, who is a shit character anyway.

>>14618759

Same with Supes because people like Darksied exist.

>>14618810

>Zod

>Metallo

>Mongul

>don't match Superman physically

Huh? Yeah they also use plans in addition to their strength, but they certainly match Superman physically. Zod is just Hitler with Superman powers. Mxy by far outmatches him. Brainiac in some versions matches him (Brainiac is all over the place and different all the time). There are a bunch of stories where Luthor gets powers or depowers Superman or just puts on his classic Power Suit. Of course the best versions of those point out that by the time it gets so far that he puts on super armor, he's already lost.

>Lobo

>shit character

fag

>>14618798

Well he said "showed" past tense.

>>14618798

He probably means Wally or hawkman which are outspoken conservatives. There is also Guy Gardener who had a personal anti commie agenda.

>>14618825

>in addition to

Metallo most definitely exploits Superman on non-physical level, he exploits the guy's weakness and that's his entire gimmick. That's certainly not what I'd call a fair fight, like what Lobo or Bizarro or even Mongul does.

>>14618834

The issue with SJWs is that they refuse to even show their opponents as human or acknowledge the fact that they have legitimate opinions. They won't even show opposing opinions just to point out how they're wrong, they just won't acknowledge them at all. Green Lantern/Green Arrow was clearly written with a liberal bent, but it was still sure to show Hal Jordan in a reasonable light, and Green Arrow had flaws as well. So it's gone down as a classic series and become the definitive versions of the characters.

Green Arrow himself may be seen as an SJW, but he's one with flaws. His writers were ahead of the game in actually making it a pretty key character trait that for all his left-wing preaching, a lot of that is him being a blowhard tryhard and trying to get in women's pants. They team him up with characters like Hawkman to have that political discourse going on, but it usually plays more like a fun rivalry, like a buddy cop thing where the partners don't get along, and if anything, Green Arrow is the one who comes out looking like an idiot a lot of the time.

Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, is conservative and also a dummy, and I don't know how many writers consciously connected those two character traits, but neither of these traits were ever used to imply he was a bad hero or a bad man, and many would argue that they too often go out of their way to have other characters praise him. Frankly, it would be easy to say that his conservative idealism of the past was connected to trying to use his power to recreate Coast City and eventually becoming Parallax, but I don't think anyone ever did that.

They also have characters like Superman say how politics shouldn't affect their work as superheroes. Clark Kent has his political opinions, but he keeps them to himself, especially as Superman. He doesn't like to talk about politics with his coworkers at the newspaper, and he certainly wouldn't use his position as a superhero to promote his political views. Of course things like this just confuse the hell out of SJWs.

>>14618866

I'd count exploiting a weakness as a physical threat. Otherwise half of Green Lantern's enemies aren't physical threats because they're yellow. But it still always comes down to fistfights, unlike guys like Luthor or Mxy or Brainiac.

capeshit belongs on /co/

DC Heroes. Made by Snowblind, guys who did Champions of Norrath way back. Its DC as a beat em up/hack n slash with RPG elements (levels, skills, and stats)

>>14622021

Oops its called Justice League Heroes.

>>14610885

it's gameplay kills it

it's essentially a wow clone but you get to pretend you're superman/the flash

>>14622064

Worse, you get to pretend you're some no-name Z-lister who merely lives in the DCU and sometimes gets to interact with real heroes and villains. I still liked playing through all the variations of the story, just because I'm autistic for DC. But I pretended it was single player and stopped playing once I got to the endgame because MMOs are shit.

Batman Vengeance was a cool game if your a fan. It's kind of clunky by today's standards, especially after the Arkham games, but it's basically like playing a story ark from the animated series, it uses the 4th Season's art style, and the graphics actually haven't aged too badly because of it.

Superheroes are childish and their solutions never ever work as shown by their own continuous adventures fighting the same stupid villains over and over again.

>>14618911

Gonna need context here. I feel like you're taking this panel completely out of all context.

>>14622984

Arisia is an alien who is actually like 200 years old, but really that's still a child on her planet. Still, Hal figures she's 200 and that's legal on earth. Plus, she's a Green Lantern, so she must be pretty mature for her age, right? He also originally referred to her as being like a little sister, and she had a childhood crush on him. Eventually she subconsciously willed herself (with her ring) to age to adulthood. She claims this somehow aged her mind as well as her body, but a lot of other GLs didn't buy it and still called Hal a pedophile. Eventually they all learned that love is love and got over it. Hal eventually convinced Arisia to move to Earth and move in with him, then he broke up with her and abandoned her on his planet. Eventually she was killed and stuffed in an oven by Captain Atom nemesis Major Force (whose gimmick sorta became killing love interests and stuffing them in kitchen appliances), but she got better because alien powers and the Manhunters used her as a living battery like in The Matrix until Hal saved her years later.

>>14622064

It doesn't play like wow at all.

>80 replies

>not one mention of The Adventures of Batman & Robin

plebian as fuck

Genesis one had a thumpin Jesper Kyd soundtrack driving pretty much the entire game

SNES one was made by Konami back when they weren't primarily a pachinko company

Both are technical showcases for their respective systems.

>>14625341

If that were the case, then InFamous, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, and Mortal Kombat would all count. Probably a lot more over the years, too. I actually really love the Ratchet & Clank comic. It's better than the game it's a prequel to and was made to promote.

Also, all Transformers, GI Joe, Godzilla, and Doctor Who games would be Marvel games. And those series actually took place in the Marvel Universe.

>>14596480

That's because in modern times most people miss what Superman was all about. Clark Kent was his persona, not Superman. The real task was to juggle his everyday life and saving his friends and planet Earth while keeping his identity a secret from everyone.

No game has ever done this. I don't know why because it would make a pretty good RPG if they could pull it off.

>>14596849

>Bendis

>Hack

>The man who did Daredevil.

Pleb.

>>14625587

Because nobody wants to play a superhero RPG. They want to punch things. Superman stars in Action Comics. To not have action be the focus of the game would be to miss the actual central point of the character. Yeah there's a lot of depth to the character as well, but it's important not to miss the forest for the trees.

>>14625592

Look man, I love Ultimate Spider-Man, but Bendis is a hack now. So is Mark Waid, even though I love Kingdom Come and his run on The Flash. John Byrne did a lot of the best X-Men and Superman stuff, among others, and then became a hack before disappearing entirely. A lot of the best creators can't keep the quality going forever.

>>14625603

I think it would be a fun game. If you got a constant fluid of you actually having to think about what you say, where you go and get changed and whatnot to cover your tracks. And let's say an enemy finds out about who you are, because you were sloppy and the game goes into a mission where for example Lex Luthor has kidnapped Lois Lane?

Talking about angst and whatnot. It would take a superhero-game to a whole other level. Where you have to make choices and gets to deal with the responsibility it is to be the saviour and guardian of the earth.

Look, i never found Ultimate Spiderman to be good, but he's anything besides a hack. All people dealing in creativity has bad runs, games, movies, songs etc. But he made Daredevil really f'n good and isn't a one-trick pony like the word hack means. He might be bad and you don't like his recent stuff, that's another story.

Mark Waid along with Josh Whedon deserves to be sunk into a pool of acid btw.