954397 No.14594291
New Deus Ex thread, because we need one. cuckchan, that's terror.
I just started my third playthrough. Playing on realistic, with an emphasis on heavy weapons and explosives. No dragon tooth sword. I'm not yet crazy enough to try one of the really absurd self imposed limitations, but that fucking sword breaks the game in half and I need to beat it for real.
d0a94d No.14594323
Sucks that you don't get anything special for avoiding Simons throughout the game. At least, I don't think you get anything. By "get anything" I mean like an alternative scene of him getting ass raped or something. You know, some closure on his character. If you avoid him at the hangar, he just kind of stops being relevant.
09a216 No.14594329
best way to replay deus ex? any mods or shit i should install?
d0a94d No.14594339
>>14594329
If you don't know, use this:
http://www.indirectsound.com/downloads.html
It can be used with other games, too. It restores the directional sound. I don't know if it's compatible or in conflict with DeusExe though. I assume it isn't, I use them both just fine.
70a55a No.14594347
>>14594291
Cuckchan refugees. A horde so huge you don't even know who's native anymore, that's terror.
b02629 No.14594354
>>14594323
Have you seen the dialogue they put in if, following Paul's defection to the NSF, you refuse to send the Comm link to the resistance in Paris? I feel like they had a whole 'nother route planned where you stay bluepilled and side with UNATCO.
Regardless, I think there's a hefty amount of content already in the game, and they seriously put an unprecedented amount of effort expanding the route as much as they could.
5c461f No.14594382
>>14594347
Why contain them? Let it spill over into the boards. In the end, they'll be begging for the vols to save them.
d0a94d No.14594385
>>14594354
>Have you seen the dialogue they put in if, following Paul's defection to the NSF, you refuse to send the Comm link to the resistance in Paris?
No, what is said?
5613ca No.14594386
>>14594291
Working co-op mod when?
057c10 No.14594404
>>14594395
almost twenty years later and there is still things i haven't experienced in the game might need to find an old CD and reinstall it
d0a94d No.14594405
Also is there a better way to do this?
d0a94d No.14594431
>>14594395
Huh, I never knew you could totally skip sending the NSF message.
daead6 No.14594463
How many ways can you fuck with the AI in Deus Ex? I've done and seen some interesting things (like getting everyone to fight the roomba), anyone got anything interesting to show/describe?
e56b56 No.14594519
>>14594431
You can't skip it, but once get the information paul talks about you get that extra dialogue if you talk to him. It doesn't go anywhere though, and you still have to go back, and send the signal to progress. I think this is where the canned part of the storyline where you stayed with UNATCO started.
edbef5 No.14594562
>>14594291
If only Deus Ex's gameplay was at the same level as its writing we'd maybe live in a world with a non-shit industry.
31cc06 No.14594975
>>14594562
>gameplay was at the same level as its writing
Call it my guilty pleasure but really enjoy the gameplay in VtMB, Dues Ex and Postal 2. Any game that feels that way in general.
a6eaf1 No.14595533
>14594463
In the first Gunther fight, you can get the nearby robots to attack him, and him eventually destroy them while they can't touch him. Bad design IMO.
a89007 No.14596812
>>14594519
Still remember the first time I went wow in my second playthrough of it when knowing how the soldiers go hostile I went and knocked out the entire bases' worth before sending the message and got a piece of dialogue from Simmons that addressed the fact that he couldn't get a hold of anyone so I must have done something to them.
753e0d No.14596826
>>14594562
But it is, the gameplay in Deus Ex is phenomenal.
e9d6e4 No.14597430
Anons if they remade this game, what would you change?
I'll be ok if they just update the graphics and added some balancing to a couple of the weapons/perks
de90ce No.14597443
>>14597430
>if they remade the game
I would change their desire to remake the game.
d81b3a No.14597469
>>14594354
>I feel like they had a whole 'nother route planned where you stay bluepilled and side with UNATCO.
Well, they had just that. What a shame they never managed to finish it.
d81b3a No.14597481
>>14597430
They'll fucking rape it when it gets a remake, sometimes it's better to let things as they are.
b02629 No.14597509
>>14596812
Holy shit, are you fucking kidding? I can't believe I missed something like that. It's been said so many times before, but truly, this game never fails to surprise me.
d3f9fe No.14597832
>>14597509
me too. Now I have to replay it.
8da88e No.14597834
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>>14597430
No need for a remake, latest version of GMDX is already perfection.
d81b3a No.14597845
>>14597834
GMDX is great yes. It's made by people that know what they are doing.
a8b83e No.14598215
>>14594291
>emphasis on heavy weapons and explosives
How far are you in the game and how much do you like playing like that?
65459b No.14599821
System Shock 1&2 were here.
Dude Sex is a loser.
5a9dc4 No.14599861
>>14599821
and thief 1 & 2 was better than all of them
a8b83e No.14599882
>>14594395
Fuck, I didn't know that either. I also didn't remember that dialog from Paul from before that scene. Christ, iIt's just fucking spot on. I need to replay this shit, though I'm afraid I'd get all the same pieces of dialog and somehow end up missing the ones I still haven't heard.
3cefd8 No.14600333
Why do I always lose interest at Hong Kong? I've tried two times.
84161c No.14600347
>>14594291
>/v/ bandwagon thread #6 mln
Template thread. Reported for spam, fuck off.
de90ce No.14600351
>>14600347
>reporting a vidya thread
but why?
5e10ea No.14600583
>>14594395
I always did wish they added a bluepill UNATCO route in. I wouldn't have even minded if they just reused the same levels with a different spin on them like hunting down Paul through hong kong or something and getting hunted by the NSF. It would have been interesting to see.
d7e1cf No.14601571
>>14600583
Yeah and it would take a really long time to make.
36e95f No.14601597
>>14597430
I don't know, maybe meatier melee. Only real game changing thing I'd probably like is more hackable things in the environment.
cbf39a No.14601822
I'm about 10 minutes away from killing page after doing the entire game melee only, no augs, realistic.
It was fun but ultimately it got too easy considering my large stash of bulletproof vests and thermoptic camo. Had to use throwing knives once or twice to get rid of a few enemies on boom lifts like the cocksucker at the missle silo.
Am thinking of doing something that one anon mentioned last thread with no skills/no augs/realistic/drop all items when boarding helicopter but not being able to hack terminals is pretty close to rendering the game unbeatable for me. What do you guy think?
>>14594323
>avoid him at the hangar
What hangar are you talking about?
>>14594395
That's so crazy! I didn't know you could do that!
>>14597834
This looks incredibly cool. Did they add quests or anything like that? The environments look radically different.
b7cc8e No.14601858
Shit, guess it's time to replay DX.
What's the best way to play it on Linux with GMDX?
8da88e No.14604171
>>14601822
>but not being able to hack terminals is pretty close to rendering the game unbeatable for me. What do you guy think?
That sounds like a living hell. I always max computer hacking skills as early as possible.
>>14601822
>This looks incredibly cool.
It is.
>Did they add quests or anything like that?
I don't believe so.
>The environments look radically different.
Yep! It's pretty much a pure gameplay and cosmetic (texturing, sound effects) mod. I think there are some subtle changes to most of the maps, mostly to include more detail, more trashcans in alleyways, stuff like that.
The augmentations have been altered a lot, which is probably the best change the mod makes. In the video you can see the strength aug allows you to not just move and carry heavy stuff around, but to hurl an explosive barrel away from you at 100 miles per hour as well. Seriously fun aug to use, and it only drains your bioenergy when you're hurling something heavy, which I think is fair.
The other aug worth mentioning is an arm aug that recovers a few points of biolectric energy for every melee kill or knockout you make. And the reward is doubled if it's a sneak attack. I think if you max it out you can get 15 points of energy for each knockout/kill, which you can use with the running speed aug and cloak aug to really tear through the game with a low tech weapon build. Very fun, though more challenging than I would have guessed (you really gotta keep the pace up or the cloak will shrek your bioenergy).
8da88e No.14604968
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>>14596826
The gun handling in vanilla Deus Ex is pretty mediocre, imo. It just feels clunky and kinda non-responsive, like I'm phoning it in. The sound the guns make is also often lame. I mean, that white-paneled drum-fed assault shotgun makes a deep sound like some industrial pump humming along instead of an actual "BANG". The 10mm pistol (the one you start the game with and cannot silence) makes more of a grinding note than a "pop" or "crack" like it should.
My idea for good gun handling in games would be Crysis 1 or the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games from 2009-ish or so (say whatever you want about those games, but to me the guns feel very fun to shoot, with a distinct "feel" to each).
Many mods have addressed the gun handling and sound effects, though. Deus Ex: Revision and the latest GMDX both do it well, I'd say. Having unsatisfying guns in a first-person shooter of all things is unacceptable.
The only thing I would like to see changed with Deus Ex from where we are now is putting all the game content in a new engine, and possibly re-doing some artwork to match the more modern game engine's capabilities. Right now, we have mods that cram high-definition texture packs into that poor Unreal Tournament engine, but there's only so much you can do with that. Fully dynamic lighting, realistic shadows, and a more thorough sound effects library would be welcome. If you spend the whole game sneaking around, you might as well hear quite a few boot scuffling noises.
Embed related is some additional GMDX shilling, since I'm not sure everyone here has played it (but they should).
3cd01d No.14605495
>>14604968
>say whatever you want about those games, but to me the guns feel very fun to shoot, with a distinct "feel" to each
sounds like you want Killing Floor shooting, not CoD
3e03ff No.14605517
is it bad that I go on knockout / killing spree's just for fun in the hub world??? idk why, i think its my inner autism/OCD for looting, but also trying to see how far I can go without getting caught (luring cops away from other cops and stealth killing them, etc)
I think I'm too used to Metal Gear where you never interact with friendly characters, and I go out of my way to leave no conscious characters in any room I enter…
is this bad to do on first playthru's for Deus Ex and Mankind Divided?
3e03ff No.14605526
>>14605495
>shoot helmetless man in the face at point blank range with 10mm
>he lives
that's bad gunplay. That's why I hate using the guns in DX and Fallout games. Why arent there any mods to make Fallout's gunplay more like STALKER? I just want realistic ballistics
de90ce No.14605594
>>14601822
>What hangar are you talking about?
I mean outside of Area 51. If you avoided him before, he comes back for a final confrontation, but you can just sneak past him by luring him into the shadows and sneaking off while he stares at the wall.
65459b No.14605727
>>14599861
tdp, maybe
tma however was trash
9a707e No.14605743
>>14605517
Go away. You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded. Learn how to type before making posts on this website.
8da88e No.14605754
>>14605517
>is this bad to do on first playthru's for Deus Ex
As long as you talk to everybody first to get quests / information / trade for goods, that's more or less okay.
There are quite a few NPCs you really don't want to antagonize, though. Smuggler, Ford Schick, Jock, Jordan Shea, anyone inside the Luminous Path compound… I'm not sure you can even kill or knock out these NPCs at all.
Vanilla Deus Ex doesn't put much loot on non-hostile NPCs, and I think what loot there is is fixed. I know I had the BionicMod or something installed once which gave randomized loot drops. A bit strange to find an augmentation upgrade canister from a bum's still-warm corpse, but w/e.
>>14605526
I thought the original Deus Ex was good about headshots for unarmored targets. Were you playing DX on "Realistic" difficulty? If not, yeah be prepared for bullet sponges. "Hard" difficulty is actually harder than "Realistic" for this reason.
Also, your post reminded me that one odd decision the devs for Deus Ex made was to allow skill points invested in e.g. rifles to increase the damage done by a sniper rifle, assault rifle, etc to the point where the "master" skill level gives you a +50% damage boost compared to "untrained". Which… makes basically no sense from a realism standpoint (for anything other than hand-to-hand weapons), but from an RPG standpoint it makes investing skill points in one or another weapons category more meaningful. Still, I think it's a problem, because Deus Ex is a first-person, real-time game where you manually line up every shot you make, rather than letting your character's stats determine the odds of a hit when you roll like in a conventional RPG. It's very frustrating how the game gives you the impression of thinking you really are lining up a shot, only to find it makes you miss or do little damage, at least until you invest those precious skill points to make you capable of shooting as accurately as you already actually can. STALKER wasn't completely innocent of this either… the crappy Makarov pistols in the early game can't hit the broad side of a barn (Were they actually that inaccurate? Maybe they're like those WWI-era M1911s, where the component tolerances are all really loose but it makes them reliable trench guns). But at least it didn't make you level-up your gun handling skill; that was something you were doing by playing the game itself!
>Why arent there any mods to make Fallout's gunplay more like STALKER? I just want realistic ballistics
I only really spent any substantial time playing Fallout 1&2, but they sorta do this already. When using a gun, making a targeted shot to an enemy's head is liable to knock them out if it doesn't kill them outright. A targeted shot to an arm or leg also can cripple the limb, making it very useful to shoot melee attackers in the legs to slow their advance towards you, or to shoot enemies using a two-handed weapon in the arms so they have to switch to a one-handed weapon (usually a crappier weapon) or fight unarmed. And of course, shooting someone in the groin is very likely to make them fall to the ground writhing in pain for a few combat turns. I think there's even something that pops up in the lower-left message box if you score a critical hit on a female NPC's groin, something like "With a perforated uterus, her child-bearing days are over as she slumps to the ground." Absolutely brutal.
3e03ff No.14605759
>>14605754
>Fallout 1&2
yeah those were alright, I was talkin more about the newer ones… basically you start off with a perfectly fine 10mm pistol and even the weakest enemies take like 5 point blank shots to the face to kill them… its extremely disappointing.
cbf39a No.14606967
>>14605594
Sweet christ, I have never thought the game is designed for you to avoid him at ocean lab.
I guess I should have known better, considering how many times you can avoid navarre.
Welp, guess I gotta play through it one more time.
>>14604171
I installed it yesterday and ran through the first two missions; This mod is incredible. It's so good that I can't believe it.
The game feels much smoother to play, the guns feel amazing, the maps are perfectly tweaked. What really gets me hard is how they managed to keep the Deus Ex "feel." It doesn't feel like a mod; It feels like this was created by the original devs.
The AI is also impressive. And the fact that they hear your gunshots from way the fuck away adds to the feeling of actually shooting something powerful and dangerous.
This is the best thing I've played in a long time and I was clueless about its existence until this thread.
I also found out yesterday that on mission two you can just not go into Castle Clinton at all, blow up the hostages, and jump on the train to the next mission. kek
b7cc8e No.14607406
I seem to have run into a problem with GMDX in Wine. I installed DX through PlayOnLinux (changed the Wine version though), installed GMDX with the same prefix, but the game itself seems like nothing has changed apart from the menus. I am running it with "Play GMDX" shortcut, not the original exe.
4588a5 No.14607998
I, to this day, have no clue how to use the prod on someone then take them out without them turning around and wrecking my shit.
3cd01d No.14608075
>>14607998
>crouch behind them
>point at ass
>click
cbf39a No.14608089
>>14608075
I've always pointed it at their knees or ankles. It's weird how that fucking thing works.
It's also weird that sneaking up on someone and knifing them in the head is an instakill but sneaking behind someone sitting down on a chair and knifing them in the head DOESN'T DO SHIT. Although you can destroy the chair from under them and force them to stand up.
d81b3a No.14608131
>>14607406
Had the same problem. No idea on how to fix it because I just started to run Win7 in Virtualbox because of problems like these.
Try launching the GMDX exe instead of using the shortcut, maybe that will help.
374728 No.14608158
>>14601822
>What do you guy think?
Have you tried the Pepper Spray Assault run yet? No Augs, no skills, no equipment, pepper spray only, realistic, pepper spray each hostile you see at least once.
b7cc8e No.14608233
>>14608131
I seem to have fixed it by running the installer again and launching GMDX from it.
Now I've got a different problem - every renderer apart from Direct3D either doesn't work, or kills my framerate. And Direct3D crashes every time I try to use a scope, although binoculars are fine. I assume framerate drops are due to hi-res environment textures that my toaster can't handle. Is there a way to run GMDX with OpenGL renderer without New Vision?
5e10ea No.14608245
>>14601822
Have you tried sticking with the prod?
7053bd No.14608275
>>14608245
but that would require the Stealth Non-Lethal Cyber-Ninja™ weapons pack DLC
1d22dd No.14608463
>>14605526
The problem with headshots in Dues Ex is that the entire hitbox for the models is essentially a cylinder which inverts at the top. As a result the heads of everyone in the game is actually 4 rectangular objects just slightly in front of the head, the sides, and behind the head. Direct hits diagonally to the head are not registered as headshots.
b7cc8e No.14608521
>>14608233
Tried out some more renderer options. Software is the fastest and does not crash, but it's full of rendering bugs.
3e03ff No.14608544
>>14608463
got a visual explanation for that retardation I just read
33cd50 No.14608643
>>14608565
That's a little bit of foreshadowing, friend.
18af0f No.14608713
Targeting or Vision Enhancement, which is the better aug?
8a1f60 No.14608777
I'm feeling the desire to play through this game again. What should I do this time?
Previous runs I have done:
-Whatever the fuck my first play through was
-10mm pistol only
-baton, prod, tear gas
-Ghost
-Heavy Weapons Guy
f70fec No.14608787
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>>14608777
Give No Fucks Style
b7cc8e No.14608823
>>14608777
Go full edgelord. Bladed weapons only, kill everyone you can.
1d22dd No.14608983
>>14608544
It's exactly what I said it is. You shoot ever so slightly just before a guy's face in the air when you're directly facing him from either side you''ll score a headshot, you face the guy at any of the four angles and shoot him directly in the head you score a body shot because the head hitbox is the result of a warped cylinder.
8da88e No.14609616
>>14606967
>I installed it yesterday and ran through the first two missions; This mod is incredible. It's so good that I can't believe it.
Naisu~
>It doesn't feel like a mod; It feels like this was created by the original devs.
Yeah, I agree. I'd be interested if the original devs know about this or have any thoughts on it.
>The AI is also impressive. And the fact that they hear your gunshots from way the fuck away adds to the feeling of actually shooting something powerful and dangerous.
There's something like "advanced settings" in the preferences with GMDX that lets you make security cameras physically tougher with alarms that go off sooner, as well as "overwhelming odds" that seems to increase the number of enemies by 50%. When coupled with the new AI you mentioned, these make the game a lot harder if you're doing a combat build, especially when MJ12 troopers some of whom can even CLOAK now are swarming onto your position. I had a great time on my second GMDX playthrough with those options (if I recall, you can't turn them on until you beat GMDX at least once or find some console command to override it).
>>14606967
>I also found out yesterday that on mission two you can just not go into Castle Clinton at all, blow up the hostages, and jump on the train to the next mission. kek
And then you explain to your brother Paul at the Hell's Kitchen station that you "did your best". Kekkles. You know JC Denton, he's gotta protect his reputation as an agent who only sometimes visits the ladies' room at UNATCO.
8da88e No.14609638
>>14608787
MY LIFE FOR AIUR
fucking lost it
8da88e No.14609682
>>14608233
Oh snap, I had this problem, too, playing it on Windows 7. Very annoying.
The only way I got around it was to go to the "Configure" panel in Kentie's GMDX launcher and choose these settings, which I arrived at through experiment:
>Renderer: Direct3D 10
>Viewport: Fullscreen
I think "Viewport: Windowed" worked as well, but it was… windowed. Not my style. Direct3D 9 might have worked as long as I did NOT choose "Viewport: Borderless fullscreen window", I can't recall now.
Pic related, my settings panel.
735b2e No.14609685
>>14605754
I think stalker somehow managed to pull this off in a very natural way, like you said rather than level up skills you just kinda level up irl and git gud, the pacing in the first half of the game perfectly accentuates this aspect of the game, it makes for very rewarding gameplay, I wish more games could pull this off
b7cc8e No.14609702
>>14609682
I'm running it through Wine on an old laptop, so newer DirectX libs tend to be much slower. Currently I'm using OpenGL renderer with New Vision removed (just deleted New Vision folder from game root), Framerate is more or less ok, no crashes during gameplay so far.
8da88e No.14609713
>>14609702
Any details on CPU/GPU/screen res for that "old laptop"? I got steady 120 fps on a Core 2 Quad with a Radeon 7850 at 1080p. But of course, I was running it natively in Win7…
e9c200 No.14609749
>>14609743
>fedora
tib tib :DDDD
397166 No.14609832
>>14608713
Depends, I prefer the targeting enhancement personally.
8da88e No.14609937
>>14608713
The damage and accuracy enhancement for targeting is just too good, that's why I always abuse it. If you max it out it's like having "master" accuracy/damage for weapons skills while only investing enough skill points to achieve "trained" status.
The vision enhancement is fun and all but it only seems well-suited to a pacifist/stealth player or someone playing cautiously, or perhaps for the first time. Sadly, I've played the game enough to already know where the enemies are, so…
>>14609743
Oof, what is that laptop, from 2008? Anyway, glad to hear you can at least play the game even without all the fancy new vision stuff.
edbef5 No.14620265
>>14596826
It's clunky and unbalanced. The game is important for the possibly accidental redpilled writing not the gameplay.
b7cc8e No.14621911
>>14620265
The interactivity and sheer variety of options at your disposal at any given moment are the main draws of the game. Player agency is consistently recognized and respected, which makes Deus Ex more than just the sum of its parts.
b02629 No.14622087
>>14621911
I'd say that the only balancing issue is that you're basically unstoppable once you get the dragon's tooth sword. This isn't much of a problem in realistic but even then the combination of that + stealth aug makes the game trivial. I always make an effort to go non lethal, though.
8da88e No.14622268
>>14622087
By
>stealth aug
did you mean "cloak" or "radar transparency"? Or either?
While I'd agree with you on the dragon's tooth sword, isn't this kind of balancing issue inevitable in a game with a high degree of player freedom regarding weapon selection and character customization, particularly in a game that offers both violent and pacifist solutions to every situation (Anna Navarre and Gunther Hermann don't count because "sticks and stones" :3), and does not usually reward or penalize the player for choosing one or the other?
I mean, I could make the same argument that the game is basically over once you achieve "advanced" skill in rifles and get the automatic shotgun and assault rifle, using buckshot for soft targets and 20mm HE grenades and sabot shells for robots. You do that, and you can practically forego stealth entirely and directly attack everything in the game and win. Deus Ex just plain has to be an easy game if you want that player who maxed swimming and environmental training and put no points into anything else and missed half the augmentation canisters to have a chance.
b7cc8e No.14626419
Shit, looks like I ran into another problem. After some package update Direct3D and OpenGL renderers stopped working in Wine. I'm using DX installed through Lutris with GMDX. Tried reinstalling graphics drivers, no effect. Wut do?
b7cc8e No.14626687
>>14626419
Tested base DX on the same prefix and Unreal on another, all have the same problem. Downgrading Wine has no effect either.
a0f9a4 No.14627309
>>14626419
GMDX goes too far by forcing these nurenderers. the previous versions didn't have this stupid fucking launcher that forces new vision and forces the new renders.
does regular deus ex still work?
b7cc8e No.14628361
>>14627309
No, it seems to be a driver/OpenGL issue.
b7cc8e No.14628778
Alright, looks like I managed to fix the issue by completely removing nvidia drivers along with any traces of its dkms package and installing them again. Seems like something in dpkg broke during one of kernel updates.
>>14627309
>GMDX goes too far by forcing these nurenderers.
It doesn't force them, it gives you a choice of them. If you're playing under Windows the new Direct3D are a noticeable improvement.
>forces new vision
Just delete the New Vision folder, mod works just fine without it. I wish there was a version without New Vision, though. Fuck downloading 2 gigs from ModDB.
91b1ba No.14628807
>>14628778
I don't suppose anyone can hit up GMDX without new vision on the vola? https://volafile.org/r/f8vk0tec
a91dc7 No.14628812
>>14594405
You missed closing one of the doors behind you in the control tower.
b7cc8e No.14629991
>>14628807
GMDX 9.0 is packed into a single exe installer, I don't think you can take New Vision out without breaking the installer.