/v/ - Video Games

Are you still going to link to that "why denuvo is bad" website? You really shouldn't, and should instead come up with a more well thought out and deliberate article that you can make available somewhere on your site.

>>14553223

Well, I deleted the link since an anon was supposed to provide some corrections, but he bailed. So I guess I will do it eventually.

>>14553270

You can use the style changer to switch to the metal theme. But sure, have this: http://honestgaming.heliohost.org/grass.css

>>14553378

And fuck, I didn't put the link in the OP like a dumbass. Well, it's there now I guess (http://honestgaming.heliohost.org)

>>14553389

Want me to edit it in the OP?

>>14553469

If you can, sure.

Now that I think of it could we list features of games that are consumer friendly?

Looking up A Way Out made me realize we need to praise consumer friendly practices like requiring only one copy to play with multiple people rather than forcing everyone to buy their own copy to play together (which we should list as a thing that is consumer unfriendly).

>>14553219

I appreciate what you're doing here keep it up

>>14553219

I like it, friend. And fuck if that Duke World Tour summary didn't BTFO of Gearbox. Keep it up.

>>14553227

There are denuvo shills trying to prevent you from spreading the info on the damage that denuvo causes. Don't fall for their lies.

Get good sources and info, but keep informing that denuvo IS harmful for the consumer.

>>14553935

Thanks! They're in.

archive of previous thread?

>>14558852

Can you separate the style links with "|" or use the <select> html tag? It's hard to tell the styles apart.

>>14559194

>That's nice. I can't remember the last time a game allowed you to play on the same copy. I don't even think there's been an AAA split screen game in the last few years.

It's not quite the same but quite a few DS and 3DS games allowed you to use download play, so while you needed two consoles, you only needed one copy of the game itself. Mario Party DS is the one fresh on my mind, been playing it with my little sister lately.

So, how is it going. Still switching the colors?

Neverwinter Nights remake just came out, and it seems it's overpriced piece of crap. What does it add anyway?

>>14565848

By the way, the first user submission is in! Thanks, anon. Submission form does not support the "Comparisons" section yet, so might have to add that later.

>>14566243

/v/ only so far

New submission form is in! Now you can submit the "comparison" section.

>>14572342

Also, I've got a submission for "Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen" but I didn't approve it because the anon said: "The best version of Dragon's Dogma that has been currently released.", and the site was only supposed to accept turds.

HOWEVER, I'm open to making a section like "Good examples" beneath the turds. But this would have to be decided as soon as possible.

Other things that have to be decided:

- Should something like DLC episodes be held against a game? How do we deal with episodic releases like Hitman? DLC Characters (such as Mortal Kombat's "click to buy Goro"). New category?

- Political issues (forced feminism, promoting homosexuality, etc.). I've been having a change of mind recently, from not wanting to alienate normalfags to wanting to include it. Just need to find a way to do it professionally.

>>14572375

And the reason this should be decided soon is that, if I add a new category for example, or a new category option, I would have to edit each submission by hand.

>>14572375

Why only accept bad examples? You should include good ones too. If anyone was looking up a game on the site and didn't see it there, they're more likely to think that no one submitted a review, instead of that it's good.

>>14553935

>>14558852

How about a version without the transparency? It makes the content a little unclear

>>14572472

OK, added this but had to make some modifications (seriously anon, "saleing" ?). Also, you might want to include more information on why this edition is the best - for example the Steam description says "Tons of content – Includes all previously released DLCs, pre-order bonuses, retailer-exclusives, and the Dark Arisen expansion content." so something like that, I guess.

Also added the Sonic submission. Now that's a very good submission! Thanks anon.

>>14572645

Think I have something wrong with the submitter. Seems like it's interpreting "steam" as "denuvo", or did you really submit that Sonic has Denuvo and not steam? (I know nothing about the game)

>>14572663

Not sure what game he submitted, but both Mania and Forces have Denuvo, yes.

>>14572668

Sonic Adventure DX.

Also, I don't know what to do with the FFXV Windows Edition submission. On one hand, you say it's a polished turd, but you also say it's the best version of the turd available.

>>14572682

I honk that belongs in the shit section

>>14572691

Really? OK I get it, the game is bad, but what is really wrong with the Windows port specifically? Since that is what we're rating here - the port, not the game itself.

>>14572750

Also, if I put this into the bad section, it would be inconsistent with putting Dragon's Dogma in the good one - since both are apparently the best versions to play.

Fuck it, there's a bug in the submitter after all. It moves some selections by one. That's a priority to fix right now then.

>>14572375

>- Should something like DLC episodes be held against a game? How do we deal with episodic releases like Hitman? DLC Characters (such as Mortal Kombat's "click to buy Goro"). New category?

How about a DLC category before "Additional purchases" with things like

-day 1

-Aditional characters

-episodic

-expansion

And whatever isn't in the additional purchases tab?

>Political issues

I think we should stay clear of it for now. Maybe slowly add it later, after the site becomes at least somewhat popular.

>>14572750

From what I played the port is overall fine, it does have some memory issues though.

Can we expand to include all games rather than just remakes or am I missing the point here? I feel I could write a whole essay about the sheer mediocrity of GTA IV's PC port.

>>14573016

> This website is an attempt to list and shame games with anti-customer issues with them. Games will be rated according to:

There's nothing about it specifically being about ports or remakes, unless OP said something and I missed it, so go ahead.

>>14572835

Bug fixed and added option to include link to image.

>>14572853

Yeah, I'm still thinking on how to structure the additional purchases tab. Some of the current options are only relevant for online games. Maybe it could be condensed like:

Cosmetics (skins, etc.)

Major content (new characters, items, etc.)

Boosters (experience, lives, etc.)

Also, the comment section would have to include information on how in your face the microtransactions are. Is the game playable without them?

Also skipping political shit for now.

>>14572871

Yeah, with a heavy heart I think I'm rejecting the submission.

>>14573016

Yes >>14573056 is right

Added Skyrim submission.

By the way, I'm really happy how the project is going. I think this is the point where we should make some kind of policy. For example, if a remake is missing expansions that were released 10+ years ago, Cut Content immediately is HEAVY. What you say?

>>14573069

>For example, if a remake is missing expansions that were released 10+ years ago, Cut Content immediately is HEAVY. What you say?

That's fucking top kike, so I agree.

>>14573069

Another policy: If a game is playable without DRM, then the "None" option has to be marked. If game has DRM and non-DRM versions, then both "None" and the applicable DRM is marked.

>>14573069

>Added Skyrim submission.

Just checked the page, are the mods removed by Bethesda/Steam itself?

If not, then I think the moderation slider should be set to none, then have the text explain that modders are fags, like it pretty much already does.

>>14573073

This. Mark every option available, then explain it on the comment.

E.g. "denuvo & none" [PC version requires denuvo]

>>14573082

The long comment kinda ruins the table, haha. I think I will split it like.."There is no online for Skyrim however, the modding community is extemly leftist and are prone to take down anything they consider to be anti-PC. The most famous example being the guy who made the awful Civil War Overhaul mod. Who after realizing that some of the people downloading his mod were Trump supporters, deleted his game from the Nexus Mod's and left this. "

will be in the table and "this" will be a link to the rest

>>14573090

Actually, that whole thing fits the "modding" category more. I think I will move it there.

>>14553219

Thank god someone had this idea

it'll be nice to visit the site when its done this place can get real toxic at times.

So what do you guys think about the Additional Purchases category looking like this:

Cosmetics (skins etc go here)

Boosters (experience, lives, gameplay accelerators go here)

Major content (new characters, weapons, items go here)

>>14573124

Well, I guess "Special Services" is kind of needed for things like WoW's character transfers.

>>14573124

That's fine, just make an obvious line between full on expansion, decent DLCs (pretty much mini-expansions, various new maps, mission, etc) and just jewish microtransactions.

>>14573124

>So what do you guys think about the Additional Purchases category looking like this:

I think it's bunk that what you mentioned was once free.

>Cosmetics (skins etc go here)

There was a time that this was once included in the game as a free bonus, free download, or community generated.

>Boosters (experience, lives, gameplay accelerators go here)

99.9999% cancer. It's designed to get people to pay so they can "finish the game faster lol because you're a cool person who has better things to do than just play video games amirite now pay up".

>Major content (new characters, weapons, items go here)

Ok-ish if it's an actual expansion pack.

>>14573107

>this place can get real toxic at times.

Refugees get out.

>>14573503

Heh, and of course I forgot to turn off the flag.

>>14573486

Yeah of course, can't hold expansions against a game (unless they were cut out from the base game and resold). But ingame shit that pops out to pester you to buy it? GTFO.

>>14573554

>But ingame shit that pops out to pester you to buy it? GTFO.

Fucking Arma, there needs to be a mod to remove that shit already.

>>14553219

I don't know if this has been said yet but I think you should add whether or not there is a demo or trial version available. I know people here pirate before they buy but it would be useful for normalfags.

>>14573566

That's a great idea.

Also, how about available platforms? I just notice it doesn't have that.

>>14573583

He has Mac and Linux support when comparing remasters to originals but you're right. We should have Windows, macOS, Linux, and all current-gen consoles as options. If there is no official macOS and/or Linux support then it should say whether or not it works under Wine/Wineskins.

>>14573609

How about a

[PC | Linux | Mac | Console] in the specific information thing. Just group consoles as one since there are a shit ton and use the comment to specify which consoles.

One version being censored or bugged to shit can be talked about in the respective comment spot.

>>14573673

I think we can list any previous gen and non-major consoles as "other". This can also apply to mobile devices, smart TVs, set-top boxes, and obscure operating systems.

>>14573691

How about consoles and other?

Certain titles being on console can, at worse, mean casualization, but them being on "other" (e.g. mobile) generally means it's fucked beyond belief.

>>14573583

But what if an article is being written on a certain release (like the Sonic one), and the other releases are better? We just want to shit on that one then.

>>14573694

I think we should console and mobile ports regardless if they're shit or not. I also like the other category for the rare case a game is ported to an obscure operating system like BSD and Haiku.

>>14573712

Just put it in the name like "Sonic DX (PC)" to specify you are talking about a certain port, then either make another general "Sonic DX" and have that page explain the PC port is shit and point to that page, or just have the PC only page, mark all consoles available, and explain that the page is referring specifically to the PC version and its faults.

>>14573726

>I think we should console and mobile ports regardless if they're shit or not.

I meant like [PC | MAC | Linux | Console | Other], having all consoles as console and other for whatever doesn't fit.

>>14573734

PC should be called Windows though. A Linux computer is still a PC. Also, if the game is available on PC, the dependencies (.NET/Mono framework, JVM, DirectX, Vulkan, etc.) should be listed in the comments.

>>14573814

Really? That sounds like something pcgamingwiki would do.

>>14573820

It's still useful information. Also, if people have to pay for these dependencies, it can help them know that they might have to pay extra.

>>14573814

>PC should be called Windows though.

Just called it PC for brevity purposes. PC pretty much means "windows" nowadays instead of personal computer.

I don't mind calling it windows if it fits.

>Also, if the game is available on PC, the dependencies (.NET/Mono framework, JVM, DirectX, Vulkan, etc.) should be listed in the comments.

That might be a bit too much bloat for the comment section, since ideally it should be as minimal as possible.

A footnote would work well though.

>>14573835

>Just called it PC for brevity purposes. PC pretty much means "windows" nowadays instead of personal computer.

It should be called Win if it doesn't fit.

>A footnote would work well though.

That's fine.

>>14573855

>It should be called Win if it doesn't fit.

I didn't think about that, that works.

Also I think the website needs a name change not because I hate the name but because there is another site called honest gaming which could get confused for this website.

>>14573981

Hmm, that's a dead site. Latest article was over a year ago. I don't think we should worry about that.

OK, I've added demo availability category, and changed the options for Additional Purchases. Also, submission guidelines are now available.

I have some more submissions to read through. Wow! This is getting bigger than I expected. I will check them out tomorrow since I'm tired. Thanks for the submissions!

>>14573056

>>14573069

Thanks for that, will get on it whenever I can. For now I made one on San Andreas, tell me if it came through alright.

Don't forget to create a category for naming the groups and individuals responsible for the anti-consumer practices.

Name them, put their pictures in there and let consumers know who is ruining the products.

>>14572375

Episodic content is mostly used to release unfinished games, so it must go to the "anti-consumer" category.

>>14574001

Once you get back, you should include a page for people to contact you for questions and feedback. Heliohost allows you to host email address under your sites domain iirc. Also the demo category should have a comment section.

>>14574049

>Don't forget to create a category for naming the groups and individuals responsible for the anti-consumer practices.

>Name them, put their pictures in there and let consumers know who is ruining the products.

If we are going to list groups and individuals, then we also need to list the ones worth supporting as well.

>>14574043

That's a top quality submission, thanks!

Also added the other submissions. E-mail is also available.

>>14573913

>treat the style menu in a similar case to the small container at the top of this page, stick it (along with several other options like home) in a div with a fixed position

That will be done.

>>speaking of which, create a dropdown or hover container for the styles to sit in. Maybe a gear icon in this div, once someone presses or hovers over it then it sets the visibility of this container to visible and presents style options

That would require Javascript, and I want the site to be fully usable without it.

>>everything is bunched up in one page, and that is going to look very messy when you have a lot of games on one list. Showcase several examples in the form of boxart, and the rest are shown from a show all link

Yeah, I agree. I will see what can be done.

>>14574105

Probably will make something like this, but positioned horizontally.

>treat the style menu in a similar case to the small container at the top of this page, stick it (along with several other options like home) in a div with a fixed position

And it's done. Tell me what you think.

>>14576423

>That would require Javascript, and I want the site to be fully usable without it.

Actually this can be done with CSS.

Create two classes, one for the button itself and one for the content within the button.

For example

>.settings

>.settings-content

Under the .settings-content class, specify

>.display:none;

Then specify the :hover pseudo class on the .settings button to enable the display.

An example being

.settings-content {

display:none;

}

.settings:hover .settings-content {

display:block;

}

I'd suggest having a look on sites like w3schools for CSS tutorials to see exactly what you can achieve with CSS, it's where I self-taught myself before I even began to use it in work and I can't suggest it enough.

>>14577385

Hmm, didn't know that. Heh, I'm really just learning as I go - it's fun that way. But I think the style bar can stay as it is for now - it's similar to 8ch's board list at the top.

Added submit and random game buttons.

Anyway, do you guys think the site is ready to be shilled elsewhere? I think I'll do this >>14574105 tomorrow, and then it can be shilled. What you say?

There should be a way to request an edit to a page in case their are errors or if the developers added something malicious since the page was created.

>>14577910

Yeah, it will be tough to make, but I will have to get to it at some point. But for now just post corrections in this thread or by e-mail.

>>14574080

Yes.

But start with the ones that must not be supported.

And they will be the overwhelming majority, mind you.

Inform first and foremost who the consumer must NOT support.

The good ones can be added as the site grows.

And always check for new info on the good ones, and relocate those that have turned into anti-consumer to the proper section.

And remember: anti-consumer also means their political views. That is what leads to anti-consumer practices in the first place. Not only those that try to exploit the consumer, but those that openly hate their own consumers must also be included on the list.

>>14578709

The Hollow Knight banner is using a transparent background which makes it hard to see when using the "metal" style.

This is the first time I've seen this project, and it looks really nice. Good job, anon. I'd recommend another censorship category - Political. For translations or regions of games where something was changed but not necessarily cut to be more politically/culturally correct, such as changing flags, character names, pronouns, or dialogue. Could possibly cover cultural changes as well, like really bad localization, but I couldn't think of a more apt name for the category. Unless you'd rather have two separate categories.

>>14578709

>>14579419

This image looks like a fucking bait.

>>14580218

Ignore my shitpost, if your still reading this thread than use this for banners. There consistent and are generally very high quality

http://steambanners.booru.org/index.php

>>14580247

Not if you consider what the site is talking about.

GTA SA was fucked beyond belief on PC, and most of the bad games in there are shit ports.

DDDA was really good in that regard, though it did cut a song and armor because of licensing problems.

>>14578846

Yeah I've changed it.

>>14578876

Thanks for the nice comments. Will probably have to include a political category sooner or later. I'm still thinking on how to set up the categories, actually. The current censorship doesn't seem to have much use.

>>14579419

>How about showing 3 on the index then having an "other" button where it shows all games in that category?

Did that, also added game name above picture.

>>14580268

Yeah thanks. But not all games have these, XBOX games for example.

>>14554042

Somehow missed this. That game does sound jewish as fuck, especially the console version. If you want to try your hand at making the submission, that would be cool.

Anyway, dumped "bad" and "good" games. It was a dumb idea in the first place. Probably will replace it with a color-coded bar or numerical rating. But then the current submissions would have to be slightly modified, I guess.

Submitted GTA IV, it's quite a doozy.

>>14582551

The site should have social media share buttons. Just don't use the Facebook one because that one tracks you.

You can also create an email share button with this.

<a href="mailto:?to=&subject=mailto%20with%20examples&body=https://honestgaming.heliohost.org">Share this page</a>

>>14582524

THanks for the submission, it has been added. Great quality by the way, very in-depth.

>>14582551

Well I only post here and on tennis forums where people probably wouldn't care. You can go ahead and shill it though.

>>14582580

I think they all track you. Maybe a separate share page so people can avoid tracking if they want to.

Anyway, what I want to do is to change the name of "Additional Purchases" to in-game purchases (so-called microtransactions), since it's been quite inconsistent between submissions. And then add another category DLC, which will list additional episodes, soundtracks etc, and will not necessarily be bad, but could be. What you say?

>>14582770

What do you think about the fonts? They seem kind of small to me. Maybe I should have the sizes be percentages, instead of absolute pixel values.

>>14582752

If I may recommend something myself, could you implement a "Comments" feature so that stuff can be added, changed or have a relevant source ascribed to? It's good and all to have something like this, but it's going to fall to scrutiny pretty easily if it's just loads of unsourced opinion, regardless of the truth it holds.

Do that and I'll submit sources for both games I've currently submitted, as well as any I decide to do in the future.

>>14582810

I think they're fine.

>>14582770

>Pretty much every share button tracks you.

>How about a script that puts the share buttons in the page?

>That way you can just disable scripts and not have to deal with tracking and all that shit, and normal fags can stay oblivious to scripts and share pages on facebook for extra exposition.

How about a share button that causes other share buttons to appear. Something like this psuedocode:

<button onClick"showShareButtons()" value="Share" />
<script type="text/javascript">
function showShareButtons() {
document.writeln(Facebook share button);
document.writeln(Twitter share button);
document.writeln(Google+ share button);
document.writeln(Reddit share button);
}
</script>

That way, the buttons technically don't exist until the user clicks on the button, so there is no tracking.

>>14582841

YEah, someone already suggested that and it's in the works.

>>14582770

>Setting it to the width was a nice idea, but can you put a size limit on it? The pics look really bad when stretched on bigger screens.

That's done. The width limit is 460px, exactly the size of Steam's pictures.

About the categories, it's tougher than I thought. Now, microtransations are jewish regardless, so they will be a separate category. DLC might or might not be jewish, so it's a separate one too. But how do we deal wtih something like Bethesda's paid mods? Well I'm going to sleep, and will see to it tomorrow I guess.

Hey, you're Hollow Knight page has incorrect info. The first few DLC's have been free, but after the next "Gods & Glory" pack, they'll start charging for future expansions.

I think the modding category is kind of vague. You have None, Limited, and Full. I think we need to define these terms in the submission guidelines. Also, does this include games with unofficial modding support? I think there should be an option for that. The None option should be for games where modding isn't possible or against the EULA.

>>14583194

>It looks better, but the text is fucked now for some reason.

That's fixed now.

>Hey, you're Hollow Knight page has incorrect info. The first few DLC's have been free, but after the next "Gods & Glory" pack, they'll start charging for future expansions.

The submission was anon's. When I modify the categories I will make it clear that the next expansions will be paid. But for now, I guess the info is technically correct.

>>14583384

If the support is unofficial, that goes in the comments.

>>14578963

>Are you going to keep spamming shitty fucking classes for everything that could be an element and not using nth crap

Please enlighten us on why classes are so shit, anon. They are very easy to maintain and convenient to use.

>>14554042

>Hollow Realization

Clue was in the name.

Before I get to implementing the changes, what do you guys think about modifying the categories as:

- Censorship removed - goes under Cut Content

- Additional Purchases changed to In-game Purchases (microtransactions) - stuff that bothers you during the game.

- Added category DLC, with options Soundtrack, Items, Episodes, Cosmetics, and Day One. Day one option because it's the ultimate jewish practice (release game, cut something out, rerelease as paid DLC, increasing price..). Comments section will contain information about the pricing of the DLCs.

- Maybe a new category on how buggy a game is (or was at launch) ?

>>14583384

For this section, PC games or ports for PC must have their own separate catalog.

There is limited modding for some consoles.

But for PC, all companies SHOULD make their games be open to modding, therefore those companies that refrain from it should be listed, along with the PC games that don't have modding support.

>>14590870

Censorship - must be listed as such, not only to inform about specific types of content cut or altered, but also as a strong word for informing normalfags. There are companies that indulge in heavy censorship, now with the precedent set by Blizzard of censoring the consumers themselves, spying them on social media, and banning them from the company's games based on what they post.

The censorship category to inform this kind of practice and other kinds of censorship is even more necessary now than before.

Additional Purchases - Even if some aren't bothered some kinds of microtransactions, the practice itself is the basis for everything greedy that is ruining video games. Every type of microtransactions, invasive or not, must be listed as to inform the customers that those games' content come separately from the main game, which in itself is a bother to most people.

Category DLC - Consider including the Amiibo and other similar practices of DLC content being sold as part of separate products such as toys and others. Those are DLC presented in a "friendly" way, just to deviate attention from the cut content that could be in the game, but was jewed out for the sake of increasing price.

Buggy category - Indispensable. But citing the companies that were responsible for it, along with the companies' behavior and how they dealt with the situation. There are too many companies, from AAA to indie, that simply release unfinished games, and have the nerve of attacking consumers when they rightfully complain about it. The current industry and their marketing teams are trying to force the idea of accepting buggy games as if it was something that can't be fixed, when in reality, most companies jst don't have competent people to fix them, or don't even care but still want to sell them and shut down any complaints. For those reasons, a "buggy games" section with the names of the companies and their behavior would greatly help unaware consumers to know which companies indulge the most in this practice of not caring for quality or those that try to shut down complaints.

>>14590892

What options would you have for censorship?

>>14590910

And for bugginess, for that matter. Binary yes/no or a spectrum (none / insubstantial / moderate / heavy) ?

>>14591016

>Replace the stupid fucking top class with a nav tag

He's using HTML 4.01 not HTML5

>>14591063

Not in the front page.

Anyway, I did some research and I have some issues with the Dragon's Dogma submission. It seems to have NO OFFICIAL modding support, instead of Limited like the anon had it. And as he mentioned, PC edition lacks some content that is included in the console editions. And the console ones also have a demo available, unlike the PC version. So I don't see what's so impressive about this game, or the PC port in particular. Except FPS improvements, console versions seem more pro-consumer. Maybe anon will weigh in if I'm missing something…

The Hollow Knight page has the moderation category on it even though there is no online.

Anyone has comments on any of the categories before I implement them? How about an "Optimization" category?

>>14591867

Censorship stays as is. Cut Content as well.

Additional Purchases becomes In-game Purchases.

DLC added with options Cosmetics Soundtrack Items Characters Episodes Toys, etc Day one

Bugs at launch added with options None, Insubstantial, Moderate, Heavy

is that fine?

>>14591921

Good enough for me.

OK, I've updated the submissions according to the new format, as well as the submission form and guidelines. Now I need the anons who made the submissions to tell me what should I input into the "Bugs at launch" category for the games.

>>14592563

Also, all of those allow for multiple combinations.

In purchase, for example:

WOW: Subscription & F2P & Tiered

TESO: Copy purchase & Subscription

In modding support

GTAV: Unofficial & Banned (mods are banned from online, if they catch you, even playing with friends, you're b&)

>>14592563

I like most of the changes, especially the splitting of DLC into paid and free. But, in Modding Support, none and unofficial is pretty much the same. I mean, if it's possible them someone out there has surely made at least one mod…

I'd have it like: Banned, None, Limited (so something like a map editor, but nothing more advanced), Full (a game made with modding in mind)

Also Cut Content still needs an option for expansions not included in remakes, I guess. Thanks for the post!

>>14592654

>I'd have it like: Banned, None, Limited (so something like a map editor, but nothing more advanced), Full (a game made with modding in mind)

That sounds good.

>Also Cut Content still needs an option for expansions not included in remakes

So

Cut content: | Graphic | Character | Gameplay | Extra (Extra content removed from the game: e.g. expansions, DLCs included in previous/other versions but removed for the remake/country-exclusive port) | Other

?

Also, how about a info page that explains what each category and it's options mean?

>>14592654

>But, in Modding Support, none and unofficial is pretty much the same. I mean, if it's possible them someone out there has surely made at least one mod

>I'd have it like: Banned, None, Limited (so something like a map editor, but nothing more advanced), Full (a game made with modding in mind)

Unofficial modding support should still be listed in the comments and any open-source game should be listed as full support. Also you should list restrictions on distributing mods like what kind of content is allowed, and are you allowed to distribute them anywhere or just a certain site/forum/platform.

Anyway I'm going to sleep now but all the changes should be implemented tomorrow.

>>14592654

>>14592563

Hmmm, based on what I've wrote, wouldn't it be better to separate mods into the following distinctions?

Impossible

Game is completely closed shut, no-one has ever attempted to mod the game and it's unlikely anyone ever will.

Limited

Modding is limited to a small, inconsequential aspect of the game, such as maps, user interface or sound effects, with the core mechanics and story unaffected.

Prohibited

Any aspect of the game can be modified more or less, but the developers/publishers clamp down on any attempts that are made. Basically every GTA from San Andreas v1.01 onwards.

Full

Modding encouraged or even embraced by the creators of the game, and you can turn their product into whatever you like using the engine at hand - Doom, HL2, Minecraft etc.

For online games there should be a category on whether or not you are allowed to create private servers. The only exception to this would be P2P online games.

>>14592878

Like both of those ideas. I would add a "Dead" option to the multiplayer for games that use to have official servers and no unofficial servers are available/allowed.

>>14593145

>Also, how about including the number of players allowed in the game in the general info tab. Something like "1-2 (local) 4-16 (online)", "1-4 players" or "6-20 players(online)"? It would really change someone's opinion to see a game that is exclusively online multiplayer with dead servers.

You mean how many people can play the game in MP (so for example, in a fighting game that would be two people), or how many are on servers? Because the latter fluctuates, you know.

>>14595574

How many people can play the game, from the minimum to the max.

E.g. if a multiplayer match can go up to 10 but needs at least four it'd be "4-10(online)"

>>14591069

DRM free gog version I guess?

I've checked for launch bugs for Hollow Knight. I found nothing significant other than a few people losing save files.

>>14593145

Also, how about adding bots to multiplayer? Sometimes that makes games last longer.

Multiplayer: | Split screen | Official server | P2P | LAN | User servers | Unofficial user servers | Bots (on multiplayer servers) | None |

>>14597078

By bots I mean player bots only, not PVE. That's only there to show the player if he can play by himself with bots or if he needs a full party.

>>14591016

That's nice and all, but the only classes i've suggested using were ones to make a dropdown button.

And unless you want to be real autistic and use nth or first-child crap to make a dropdown button, you use classes.

OK, the submission form has been modified with the new options. Submissions themselves I will get to tomorrow (the only modified one so far is HOMM3).

>>14596433

Thanks for the information!

>>14590910

As in "what can be considered censorship"?

Or are you talking about something else?

If it is what can be considered, anything pandering to feminists and leftists should be considered censorship.

Removing sexyness, altering guns and other weapons, altering the violent elements, making characters ugly, altering the plot during production or during translation.

All of those are censorship and are heavily implemented in many games currently.

If you are talking about something else, clarify what you meant.

>>14591069

If they released it in more than one platform, and one of them is prioritized above the other, it should go into the "anti-consumer" category, and even in the "censorship", depending on what was removed.

Converted Duke and the GTAs to the new format.

>>14597707

Yeah but how would I put this into table format is the issue. I will need to see an example of a game that includes some heavy censorship, then I will know what to do I guess. Also, most of these things could go under Cut Content…

>>14602493

Is there a reason why you didn't change the modding category to what >>14592878 suggested?

>>14602503

I think it's too complicated, but I might modify it yet still. Source code could be a separate category if anything, because that's not really the same as modding. And mod censorship would just go under censorship I guess?

>>14602555

Also it has to fit the table, and anon's options probably don't.

>>14597707

>As in "what can be considered censorship"?

I think you could basically call localizations a kind of censorship, most especially if it includes the cutting of content (covering boobs and butts)

>>14553219

Can you add the name of tge game as selectable text on the actual game page?

>>14554042

Did they crack the last SAO with guns n shit?

Cause I don't really feel like giving them money and pirate edition usually includes all DLC.

>>14597078

What about local bots? And their quality.

And ability to play with no internet connection. Even single-player games add it now.

Also if genre is something vague like rpg/jrpg it should be mentioned what type of gameplay it has. Like action/turn-based combat/puzzle whatever.

So lets say you're looking for jrpg but want to filter out turn based ones.

Oh and if you ever been browsing any database you probably know that both inclusive and exclusive filters are important, so you don't have to add it later in a hard way.

>>14602612

Yeah, it's done.

Are we including mobile games?

>>14602698

Mobileshit is just a microtransactions party. Of course it can be added.

>>14602493

Start by doing what this anon >>14602595 suggested.

Basically, info on any kind of content that is modified to not appeal to Straight White Men, as well as texts that aren't 100% true to the original source are censorship, not just cut content. The idea that all localization is censorship is one that i approve personally. All (((localizers))) make alterations of their own and impose those on the consumer. The consumer must always decide what is appropriate or not (and thus, not buying), not the people working on the game.

Also, check this news: https://8ch.net/v/res/14601874.html

It is the prime example of censorship and companies trying to dodge criticism.

This must be included right away in the censorship section.

>>14602732

You do realize you can just link it like this

>>14601874

>>14602693

Thanks

>>14602555

>mod censorship would just go under censorship I guess?

I still think you should include restricted distribution because there are games that only allow you to distribute mods on a certain site/service like Steam Workshop or the game's forums.

Same guy who did the GTAs, added a couple of well-known freeware titles to act as some decent barometers.

>>14606612

Sounds great, needs some algorithm to really work though unless you want to make it entirely arbitrary.

Also if it isn't too much to ask, can you upgrade the servers? It's a nightmare to access at certain times of the day.

>>14606927

Thanks for the submissions, I've added them as they are. But I don't know what should be the policy on freeware games. I mean, it would be kinda stupid to say "OK, I've got this shit for free, but it has some censorship, so it's anti-consumer". Also, I don't know about the Dragon's Dogma and Perfect Dark submissions either - are there so much differences between the ports that one of them should be praised / criticized over the others?

Well, the original plan for the site was to shit on turds, so I don't know what to do with the positive or neutral submissions. Maybe a separate policy for ports, where they are directly compared to the other versions. Or a joined submission for a game that has ports, and mentioning only the best one?

Also, the "Comparison" section was originally intended to show what does a remake have over the originals and fanmade mods. As in, "Do I buy this remake or stick with the original / a free mod?". And it clearly looks weird in submissions for stand-alone games (what are we comparing them to?). Surely I need to change something.

>Sounds great, needs some algorithm to really work though unless you want to make it entirely arbitrary.

The bar is automatically generated according to a number from 1-20 (this is the amount of squares filled). Unless you mean an objective rating system? No, I don't think that's even possible. I'd leave it up to the submitter.

>Also if it isn't too much to ask, can you upgrade the servers? It's a nightmare to access at certain times of the day.

Yeah, it's a free host in the end (probably the best one available, but still). So I'd have to get a paid one.

>>14607455

For ports, maybe the comparison section would look like:

Included in XBOX version - Included in PC Version - Included in original

But that would require redesigning the submitter again. So we have to design some policy before I get to work.

>>14607482

How about leaving it as "compare it to the best version available"?

If the xbox version shat on the original, compare the PC to the original, for example.

sage for doublepost

>>14607644

>How about a game characterization though?

Something like "Original", "Remake", "Port", "spin off" and "Sequel"?

Good idea, will add to General Information.

>Rating systems wouldn't work unless they're human-made or really complex based on multiple factors

No, it's human of course. I would leave it up to the submitter to rate his game, but of course I can't guarantee them to be honest. Anyway, I'm now asking the anons who made submissions to give their ratings from 0 to 100. 100 is the most anti-consumer.

>>14607673

What if it's a positive submission, like the Perfect Dark one?

Anyway, I have the bar algorithm ready, but need anons to rate their submissions. 0-100, 100 is the worst.

Also, Skyrim submission has been converted, but need description for Bugs at launch.

>>14607769

>What if it's a positive submission, like the Perfect Dark one?

To expand - there's three versions - Original, Xbox (the one being praised, and PC. How to structure the section? Anyway I think the whole submission needs a redo, since it mentions emulators and I don't think we want to go there. I mean we're rating external programs at that point, and not the game itself.

>>14607783

Maybe if PC outclasses Original, and Xbox outclasses PC - then ignore the original and make it:

Included in Xbox - Included in PC

What if there were 3 versions, each with its own advantages?

>>14607808

Wait, no I got it wrong - there's just the original and Xbox versions of Perfect Dark. So just imagine some hypothetical game that has two ports.

>>14607769

>but of course I can't guarantee them to be honest

That's the problem. If it's not something objective it's pretty much useless.

>>14607769

>What if it's a positive submission, like the Perfect Dark one?

How about the most recent for that matter?

"Either compare it to the most recent or the best available version" and show which version it is.

How about we categorize games by year so people can actually see how games have been getting progressively more anticonsumer over time?

>>14613763

That sounds good.

How about replacing the original "good" games and "bad" games with separating them by year?

>>14613950

I will eventually have a way to sort by many options. Year, developer, genre…

>>14616057

Also, do you guys want the rating bar, or not? That would require every submitter to give a rating out of 100.

>>14616073

>out of hundred

i don't think most people can actually give ratings that precise. they'll just rate it 100, 0 or not at all.

i think it might not be a good idea.

>>14616084

Well, it doesn't matter if it's "off by one". Only a rough description of the game's badness. So people can immediately look and say "oh, this is pretty good" or "I can smell this turd through the screen".

>>14616092

Just for the triggering of the corrupt (((journos))) it would be good enough.

But simplify it for normalfags. Put it as 0 to 10. Raising awareness to normalfags so they stop buying from corrupt companies must always be the goal.