195f76 No.14534259
So I just started studying Computer Science. I asked my assigned group why they chose their career and they said it was because they loved video games. Then they went on to list what they liked the best:
>Asscreed
>Uncharted
>Dota
>LOL
>Fortnite
>PS4
mfw these are the friends I'll be making for the next five years.
c0e157 No.14534263
kill them all and then yourself
0513c1 No.14534267
Nice blogpost, you fucking faggot.
d2ba43 No.14534273
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
605808 No.14534284
>>14534259
/tech/ is the dedicated board for for complaining about your horrible life decisions. Also, the fact that you call it a "gamedev class" is proof that you're just as bad as them.
195f76 No.14534290
>>14534284
I was trying not to write computer science in the subject to keep it short.
1c8cb3 No.14534298
>>14534259
>studying videogames
400a2b No.14534302
>>14534259
<computer science
<gamedev
which one is it
195f76 No.14534316
>>14534302
CS, but somewhat focused on videogames. There's a separate career called Software Engineering wich is similar, apparently.
05aa37 No.14534317
>>14534302
>implying computer science isn't just game dev but with actually useful shit thrown in
400a2b No.14534322
>>14534317
that is kind of true, every text adventure is a word processor, every word processor is a text adventure, every web browser is a game running at 60hz, every game running at 60hz is a web browser (hopefully not but the main loop should structured similar)
ea2a93 No.14534334
>>14534284
One on the left is one of the most sophisticated pieces of code ever written.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
16714c No.14534336
>tossing ps4 in your list of cancer to consolebait
5acc43 No.14534343
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
>in a computer science program
what?
b1b2f9 No.14534359
I quit my Comp Science courses and dropped out of college after they continually pressured me to go into game design, and to take elective courses in Social Sciences. That was in 2008-2009, and in hindsight, it's pretty obvious what was going on. At the time, I just wanted to get my certification and get a shitty job working at a local place as IT. Why the fuck would I want to get into game design, knowing what I knew about how the industry operates - and who in gods name would hire someone with a tissue paper degree from some no-name community collage in Hicksville Indiana?
I'm not actually from Hicksville, I just find the name coincidentally funny for a town in a primarily Corn and Motorsports state
195f76 No.14534362
>>14534343
for fucks sake forget the gamedev classes thing I was retarded. I study computer science.
7d823f No.14534367
>>14534362
you fucked up OP
13f952 No.14534369
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
check these dubs
7d823f No.14534372
>>14534369
>didn't sage
>didn't get dubs
you're a failure of a human being
5acc43 No.14534373
13f952 No.14534376
>>14534372
sage?
why would you, it does fucking nothing and threads still get bumped in nerve center regardless
77b803 No.14534378
>>14534287
I'm doing CS right now. Thanks for the warnings, anon.
b1b2f9 No.14534387
>>14534359
>QED - Hicksville isn't even in Indiana - It's in Ohayo.
t. retard
195f76 No.14534390
>>14534367
that's all it takes, huh?
>>14534373
Third world nation.
d33f1a No.14534391
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
1c8cb3 No.14534393
a2e0d3 No.14534397
>>14534263
No, you ride the tiger and subvert them to your cause slowly but surely.
e8085d No.14534398
Anyone in a gamedev class is a casual by definition.
13f952 No.14534401
>>14534393
I've stopped caring about saging shit threads a while ago. About the time that vols stopped giving a shit about them too.
7d823f No.14534405
>>14534390
its salvageable but stop acknowledging posts that call out your retardation and just focus on the discussion.
My little brother went into CS, thank god.
its funny, he had a dream of becoming a programmer or software designer for blizzard or some shit like that but he wasn't retarded enough to go into actual game dev classes, after I redpilled him on the vidya industry and Blizzard he hates them, and I don't know what he wants to do now as a result.
195f76 No.14534417
>>14534405
>after I redpilled him on the vidya industry and Blizzard he hates them
I am thinking about redpilling my classmates but they're wide eyed proto-adults and I'm a 28yr-old anxious fat fuck with no social skills and I worry they'll just write me off for being negative.
614b9a No.14534429
>>14534267
To be fair, I think it should be somewhat concerning to us that future game devs are retards with shit taste.
This may be a blog post, but it's a blog post with some actual significance behind it.
0b1404 No.14534431
In order to be a good ideaguy, you just need to play games that are good. No career bullshite. I could probably make a better game that one of those faggots if you put me in charge.
45cf13 No.14534458
> studying CompSci
Hate to tell you this, but the field is absolutely oversaturated for new grads right now. It's getting worse too; even the redditers at CSQuestions are realizing it now too.
All those articles about how CompSci is the best 4 year degree is partly to blame for it. The rest of it lies on the coding programs for minorities like Women in Coding. Big companies sponsoring them to reap the untapped labor of minorities to drive down wages.
Better do some internships. And don't go gamedev unless you want to compete with autists and get lower than average wages and a worse work-life balance.
7d823f No.14534460
>>14534417
just tell them the truth. Don't rant at them of course, but just let your viewpoints be known at the very least if a discussion ever comes up. Don't be autistic about it.
>no social skills
well, fuck.
Stick with the truth. If you know something scummy that a company's doing, bring it up in casual conversation when that company comes up. For example the blizzard overwatch censorship.
Redpilling is a pretty gradual process. Long as you can get a friend on your side you've already done your job.
0019bb No.14534469
>>14534460
>Blizzard Overwatch censorship
Alright, which instance this time? Did yet another occurance of this shit happen?
7d823f No.14534484
>>14534469
I misspoke, its more of them banning people from their game, period, for having opinions outside their website that they don't approve of or consider toxic
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/01/blizzard-now-banning-overwatch-players-toxic-youtube-comments/50064/
I dunno if that counts as censorship or not, but something that might more count as censorship is them fining esports players for using memes and emojis on social media that they don't like
d33f1a No.14534490
>>14534458
>flood reddit with posts about CS degrees being the best thing ever for a few years
>CS degrees are the biggest meme yet
>retards now scrambling to work on software for free as the bubble simultaneously pops
>just_as_planned.jpg
nigger
cattle
feed
lot
1080e6 No.14534503
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
>compsci
enjoy feeling like you can do anything then never finding a job and realizing you could wipe your ass with your "diploma" and immediately regret wasting that money you could have used to go get a bunch of worthwhile certificates that didn't need all that wasted time and money to teach you what you already knew
5bdd1d No.14534517
>studying computer sciences to make games
>I want to work in a bank so I'm going to train to be a cashier
>I want to be a chef so I'm going to train to be a butcher or a farmer
Seriously what the fuck is up with that
d33f1a No.14534543
>>14534517
you just gotta work hard and move up in the company!
5bdd1d No.14534554
>>14534543
I'll just be a minimum wage codemonkey another year, the big wigs at the top are sure to take notice of me envetually!
195f76 No.14534565
>>14534458
>>14534503
>>14534517
I have a job and make a living. I want to complement my imperfect coding knowledge. I plan to work for myself as a gamedev on my free time.
>>14534460
Good advice I'll lowball them.
>>14534503
But there's a bunch I don't know, like linear algebra and vector math, c++, low level optimizations, debugging, version control.
5bdd1d No.14534574
>>14534565
>I have a job and make a living. I want to complement my imperfect coding knowledge. I plan to work for myself as a gamedev on my free time.
Ya already fucked up. Should've learned something useful that you can't learn by yourself like animation or 3d modeling or design
e67236 No.14534583
0b1404 No.14534584
>>14534574
But you can do that by yourself, anon.
9c3e18 No.14534593
the casuals will either switch to some other easier subject or quit entirely by year 3 once it gets hard and takes some dedication and intelligence. Until then just ignore them, it's actually really easy.
195f76 No.14534597
>>14534574
I know that already. I do 2d/3d animations, VFX and video production. I have all the tools I need for game making except proper coding skills.
5bdd1d No.14534606
>>14534584
Not as easily as programming.
Need to learn programming? See how professionals do it? download something open source and there it is
Need to learn how to model or animate? Good luck with that, you've only got terrible youtube tutorials and finished projects you can't deconstruct
0b1404 No.14534625
>>14534606
Nigger, unless you have some nigger tier spatial vision, you ain't gonna have trouble with self learning.
03182e No.14534674
>>14534387
To be fair, most of Indiana is corn, methheads and college towns.
b0a36e No.14534709
>>14534502
It worked guys, they're reducing Pepe trade inflation, we're going to have vanilla Pepe memes be rare again
FINALLY OUR WORK HAS VALUE
holy fucking shit we made these people afraid of a fucking cartoon frog
b1b2f9 No.14534719
>>14534674
We're actually mostly heroin addicts now, I hear. I knew a couple meth heads I used to score a half to 3/4 gram or so a month from in exchange for turning in pills, but I quit that shit years ago when one of the people I was getting supplied from got pregnant and I couldn't get her to quit - so I just cut ties since I didn't want to be contributing to putting her into situations where she's going to fill her body full of chemicals that would fuck up her baby.
Cousin and a few friends are sitting in jail right now for heroin possession (all separate busts). Shit's kinda fucked here. We're like in the top 15 states for substance abuse, mostly along US 30 heading from Chicago to the East Coast, and to a lesser degree the I-69 corridor heading South to the Gulf.
195f76 No.14534751
>>14534719
That looks like a cocaine map. Doesn't heroin come mostly from the middle east now?
e50933 No.14534760
>not going agriculture or forestry
It's like you want to be gay and jobless, lol.
b1b2f9 No.14534777
>>14534751
Dunno, I've never done it or really associated with it. Hell, I didn't even know my cousin and friends did it until they got busted. But, then again, I am a bit of a NEET so getting out and making drug connections having no social skills with a bunch of jumpy paranoid drug addicts isn't the easiest or safest prospect.
I've heard from acquaintances in law enforcement that most of what comes through 30 from the Chicago gangs is weed and heroin/pills. Cocaine generally stays more local to Chicago since it's in higher demand there, and meth is typically home-cooked and much more dispersed. There's major shipments going through, but typically if they have a meth bust on the highway, it's some asshole driving around with a pop bottle filled with chemicals and venting out his window.
183d2d No.14534778
>Asscreed
<not Prince of Persia
>Uncharted
<not Tomb Raider
>Dota
<not Warcraft 3
>LOL
<kek
>Fortnite
<not counter strike
>PS4
<not PC mustard race
I know i'm a pleb but even i have better taste than these fuckers
b0a36e No.14534783
>>14534574
You can, just stop being shit at studying and actually sit your ass down through free online tutorials. If you can't sit still for an hour and do some fucking work you have no business being in any industry.
06869c No.14534791
>>14534259
Come back to us once you have a master or doctorate and rake in the dosh working for some big bank while drop outs and cucks slave away during crush time working for videogames.
183d2d No.14534797
>>14534284
i may know jack shit about coding but even i can recognize eficient profetionalism whne i see it
>there are people on the web who unironically praice code that has shit like";D or XD" in it
1ff365 No.14534798
>>14534778
>tfw tomb raider never met it's potential and just stagnated past the first one
Too focused on action and assets.
e50933 No.14534831
>>14534791
>implying that programmers aren't all gay, whether they make video toys or not
183d2d No.14534882
>>14534798
i beg to differ
the first reboot was kick ass
the milimetrical jumps and tank controls of the previus were getting stale by the time Chronicles had come out
then Angel of Darkness came out wich aded a stamina bar that served as a countdown for how much time you could stay hanged and after seing it i dropped the franchise and never looked back
at least until the remake of the first one came around
sure, Lara semmed to have spend a little to much time learning new mooves in the Tomb of the Persian royal family but the game had every single moove a human could do in an olypic atlethism competition (except walking on the tight rope wich was shit in Chronicles anyway)
Lara even had a graple hook now, i had been waiting for that obvious upgrade since i first saw Indy wielding his whip
All levels had been redisigned to use all the new moves, new secrets everywhere, combat was actually fun now, there where puzzles everywhere and despite the redesing of the levels they all stayed mostly faithfull to the original
sure it had some QTEs but they were few and far between and maibe it was a little bit on the easy side with chackpoint at every corner remooving any kind of penalty for sucking and dying but it still was awesome
everything was faster, lara was more agile than ever, the puzzles were not brainburning but not retarde either the plataforming was fun to traverse, ocationally you even got your ass kicked by some random enemy
it was everything i ever wished out of Tomb Raider
prehaps adding better enemies and a couple of parry/pushback meele moves to spice things up would have been good but i have no complains
you can't possibly imagine my joy when i found out the remake was the second game since the reboot (can't remeber the name of the one she wields scaliburg) i still need to play the one with the Mjorlin, my PC couldn't take it at the time and i didn't have the current gen console to play it
maybe i should download it
it'll definetly be better than anything else Squeenix has planed for their next Nu Raider
75c691 No.14534898
>>14534709
Making Pepe illegal will only inflate the pepe prices.
Even common pepes will costs more, and because it's hard to find pepes, low quality pepes will flood the now black market because they won't have a free pepe market to choose between a rare pepe and a shitty pepe, even overused pepes will be valuable due illegality so there won't be reason to create rare pepes anymore.
1a1ca7 No.14534937
>>14534302
is this some kind of non-programmer joke?
1a1ca7 No.14534942
>>14534343
did your CS program not offer electives?
1a1ca7 No.14534962
>>14534458
>plebbit
there's your problem. if CS is so overssatured why can't i even hire decent developers for $130k
1a1ca7 No.14534984
this thread really triggered my tism. you fags are trying way too hard to fit in with this >gamedev shit
45cf13 No.14535030
>>14534962
Because I said the market for new grads are over-saturated. The deficit in programmers lies in the middle->senior levels.
>plebbit
What problem? I was making an observation that even they are coming to terms with how shitty the market is getting despite the constant shilling going on for getting more people (minorities/women) into coding by saying how anyone can and should do it.
>>14534984
Why get a (((gamedev))) degree when you can get a CompSci degree and be able to do everything instead of pidgeon-holeing yourself into one sector of the tech industry that underpays and overworks you? Because the degree is more valuable than the CompSci degree to a game publisher? I highly doubt that.
06869c No.14535036
>>14534984
Any self-respecting programmer isn't wasting his time on gamedev if he has the skill to get a better job with better pay and better hours.
195f76 No.14535040
>>14535036
But the dream, anon.
06869c No.14535056
>>14535040
There are no dreams. You must suffer reality.
1a1ca7 No.14535101
>>14535030
ok i agree with you on the mid/senior gap, i'm probably just not exposed to the floor of newfag devs or reddit. also agreed on a gamedev degree that is retarded, taking a class on it within a CS degree is fine though
>>14535036
100% accurate. took me precisely 1 year to fuck off out of that industry. i'd love to do hobby projects but would get "de-platformed" pretty fast for my moonman kike-killer FPS and racewar RTS ideas. plus artists are mostly faggots so i'd have to build the assets myself. i wish i could collaborate with other anons, even have the money to self-fund but i dont even know where to begin on the logistics. i have enough trouble as it is with flaky employees IRL even when they are getting paid handsomely
782b6f No.14535150
They will not be there two years from now, do not get attached. I speak from experience. Classes filled, 35 people a class. Tons of shitty casuals and idiots. End of my bachelor's degree, class size of 5 or 10, everyone else went to IT since they weren't smart enough. Dumb people are attracted to dumb things, and that includes dumb games.
2b0af6 No.14535193
Oh boy, it's this fucking thread again. With the same insipid fucking posts in it. Yeah, no shit that if you're going to school for comp sci just to get a degree and a high paying job, you're fucked. Degrees mean nothing if you got no skills as a degree is just a piece of paper. But if you go to just learn how to code and make software or games to build your portfolio while you're at school you can make it out just fine. It's not that hard to make it as an indie either as long as you don't make fucking trash. The meme of "I quit my job, went indie and ended up broke" stories all have one thing in common. They all made shitty, unambitious, usually mobile, trash games that no one would want to play(Then they're somehow fucking surprised when no one gives them money).
They either made mobile shit, which that market is so over-saturated you might as well save yourself time and money and just play the lottery. Or they made some cheap looking 2D game that's most likely a Link to The Past clone. The /agdg/ threads here on 8ch alone prove this by doing the opposite. Speebot was mildly successful and allowed the dev to work more on his engine and progress towards a new game. The waifu wedding VR sim got that anon a nice job. Put some ambition into your project and make something that isn't just retreading the same old ground and you'll succeed.
tl;dr - Going to school for comp sci or game development is only useless if you're just pursuing the useless fucking BA. If you actually apply yourself to becoming skilled while attending you'll do just fine and pay off your debt in less than 3 years, easy.
605808 No.14535200
>>14535193
Nice post, but it means nothing unless you speak from personal experience.
4ef97b No.14535203
>>14535200
So having a confirmation bias is better than looking at trends? Got it. You're the smartest guy in the thread, congartulatuhns
605808 No.14535213
>>14535203
Anyone can spew hot air about trends, but it's another thing when you've actually made a serious life decision about it, so yes.
376247 No.14535215
>Taking gamedev courses
They're not the only ones that should be ridiculed here
b1b2f9 No.14535222
>>14535193
> It's not that hard to make it as an indie either as long as you don't make fucking trash.
Maybe if you develop for the Nintendo Switch. Steam is a goddamned clusterfuck of shovelware. Nobody uses GoG. Playstation has really fucking arbitrary "you gotta know someone" gatekeeping, and Xbox is dead.
2b0af6 No.14535223
>>14535200
I do
So did my friend who did it before me and inspired me to go to school
>>14535213
I made a serious life decision about it. I came from a poor family and I'm the first one in my family to get a college degree. I applied myself because I knew if I pissed it away I'll have a debt I cannot possible pay off. No I work in information systems, make good money and the most I have to worry about on a day-to-day basis at work is if the shitty fucking Spectrum internet connection is gonna shit out at random.
605808 No.14535227
>>14535222
>Xbox is dead
And what a fucking shame that is, considering The apparently let you turn a retail Xbone into a dev kit.
0853cf No.14535229
>>14534387
O hi o not O hey o faggot
ba7c20 No.14535238
>>14535229
It's "O-hee-yo" dummy
b1b2f9 No.14535252
>>14535229
>My state is best known for being an anime meme
>Also Drew Carey
t. butthurt buckeye
0dab3f No.14535258
>>14534334
>One on the left is one of the most sophisticated pieces of code ever written.
>It's literally just 1-2 iterations of Newtons Method
CS is such a joke.
cfed96 No.14535260
>compsci
Enjoy your trannies
0853cf No.14535269
>>14535238
Listen nigger its O Hi o not O hee yo and ITS ARKAN SUS NOT ARKAN SAW FUCK YOU FUCKING RETARDS NIGGERS
33139d No.14535344
> mfw these are the friends I'll be making for the next five years
Not at all. Professional programmer here with a CS degree. Those faggots drop out very quickly. Once you're through your intro classes, you don't see anybody like that anymore. You maybe see one game dev aspirer, and by then, it's the dedicated ones who know what they're talking about.
0dab3f No.14535385
>>14535344
>you don't see anybody like that anymore.
Even in the higher classes, most of the class is slack jawed idiots.
2bd29a No.14535387
I-I'm gonna make a game one day, anon. Y-you'll see!
195f76 No.14535389
2b0af6 No.14535422
>>14535385
It usually takes a mere two minutes to figure out who's worth talking to. Filtering out the retards is easy. Especially in college where everyone feels empowered to act out and "be themselves"
>>14535387
You can do it, anon. I believe in you.
eecdd5 No.14535453
Kill them all.
Poison their food.
Do everything to look like an unfortunate accident.
>>14535203
Go pursue trends and see how "well" it will end for you.
Trends are just speculative manipulation to appease shareholders. The general public is more and more avoiding trends, and avoiding spending money at all.
See you again when you become a hobo.
>>14535387
And it will be either shit, or it will be pirated.
You are fucked.
0dab3f No.14535486
>>14535422
Nobody in my degree was worth talking to, and I say this as someone who desperately tried to make friends as I lost touch with all of mine. I remember trying to join the programming clubs, and everyone there would rather just talk about shit like LoL than code. Eventually I quit, since I was the only one doing anything, and went to hang out with the engineering students who where actually doing things.
I think by far the worst part about the CS students was when they'd try to talk about programming like they fucking knew anything. When in reality all they're doing is regurgitating useless outdated shit they memorized for a test. It's so obvious they barely/don't code outside of school at all.
2fd451 No.14535534
>>14534962
If you're not in flyover, 130k is jack shit
If you are in flyover, you need to find a way to get your opportunity in front of people who are in shitholes like the bay area and want out
2b0af6 No.14535548
>>14535486
That's where I went right I guess. I only talked to people who wanted to code as much as I did. Over my winter breaks, while the retards were just playing LoL and stuffing themselves with Christmas cookies. I was quietly plugging away making plug-ins and cute little experimental games. I only talked to those kinds of people and was much better off for it. While I don't talk to any of them anymore, they helped me out a lot over coming any roadblocks I had with learning to code.
50544f No.14535614
>>14534606
shill out 45 bucks to learn on Lynda and you'll get the essentials for both animation and modeling
92b4fb No.14535858
>>14535238
>>14535229
>Not using IPA
>Trying to explain how a vowel fucking sounds with a terrible orthography of the shit that is English
b6fcaa No.14535954
>>14534417
>I am thinking about redpilling my classmates
don't do that. They nearly always end up acting like total idiots later on. I red pilled a heap and they've now gone into the industry doing the total opposite of what I told them to do. You are better off leaving them to their stupidity and not helping them as in the end its one less competitor to yourself. It sucks but this is the reality. Do NOT help them. Further more showing your true power can lead to you being kicked out of the course. SJWs are rampant in this education, I've had friends who were kicked out for memes. Only hint at your true power, never show it directly.
b149a5 No.14535965
>>14535954
>redpilled a heap
>gone into the industry doing the opposite of what I told them to do
it sounds like you didn't redpill them at all though"?
b6fcaa No.14536029
>>14535965
>it sounds like you didn't redpill them at all though?
At the time I thought I had, but as the years have gone on its become clear to me that most of them will succumb to the same crap practices because they were too young and inexperienced to resist the industries bullshit. In the end they'll end up being exploited just as I was. This is why no matter how hard you try, the idiots will still go ahead and do this stupid shit anyway even despite your warnings because their desire to become a game developer is greater than any risk you may introduce into their environment.
Its stupid because most of them should use that energy to start their own studios and give up on AAA.
1a1ca7 No.14536268
>>14535534
130k is just about the top end of salary for remote workers in my field until you show up in-person for NYC or bay area jobs. in other words when you sort the job board by salary and remote we were literally at the top of the page. my problem is that the applicants are shit, they have no portfolio, and the ones that do when we hire them they are entitled fucks too lazy to even write 2 lines of brief text each day for what they did the previous day and what they're doing today. of course there are exceptions but you really have to wade through shit to get there
afd38d No.14536327
One of my friends who did a game dev course has the most casual taste imaginable. At the moment he's trying to get me excited for The Last of War and Days Gone. Luckily he just wants to be an environmental artist.
2892b7 No.14536421
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
067744 No.14536702
>>14534284
> Karlie Kloss
1st image not related
87346c No.14536733
I know a dude doing this at uni, he took a month to make a shitty unity game for shitchans agdg and someone reviewed it on youtube and assumed that he threw it together in a day and said it was shit and barebones even for a days work.
mfw this idiot thinks he will get a job over diversity hires when his CV is completely blank outside of the degree he is yet to get.
3c978c No.14536739
>>14536733
>diversity hire
You never know. I'm sure he's more skilled than most Ubisoft employees.
672b27 No.14536744
>>14536739
t. the guy that >>14536733 was talking about
3c978c No.14536750
>>14536744
I think the humor of being hired by Ubisoft is lost on you.
54d1b4 No.14536758
>>14534259
>yfw
>these are going to be the professionals of the future
>gamemakers in the future inspired by that shit
06869c No.14536858
>>14536702
Is she a troll?
672b27 No.14536886
>>14536858
Are you a newfag?
351948 No.14536899
>gamedev
>working 80 hour weeks for half the pay of web developer
Sure is a good career move, famalam.
1cf09f No.14536914
>>14536886
Are you a newfag needing to ask a newfag that HE IS a newfag?
4ce093 No.14536973
>>14534565
>I have a job and make a living. I want to complement my imperfect coding knowledge. I plan to work for myself as a gamedev on my free time.
yeah, that's a good plan actually.
>>14534574
>Should've learned something useful that you can't learn by yourself like animation or 3d modeling or design
no, you can learn those things by yourself.
4ce093 No.14536988
>>14534565
>But there's a bunch I don't know, like linear algebra and vector math, c++, low level optimizations, debugging, version control.
keep in mind that a cs degree won't make you learn these things (sadly), although it will give you the chance to.
for instance, a lot of programs don't require linear algebra any more, but you really, really do want to take it if you want to force yourself to internalize vector math.
you should research your teachers, as well. most of the useful training i got in testing and debugging came from an assembly language class – i've never used assembly since, but everything he taught us about testing your code stuck in my brain. best of luck.
672b27 No.14537002
>>14536988
listen to this guys. degrees are completely worthless. at my college there are several programming classes as well as classes on algorithms (which a lot of people fail) and most graduates can't even write a for loop by themselves.
people binge learn the things they need for the exam, get their degree and can't actually program after they're done with college.
15a247 No.14537096
>>14535258
It's not one of the most sophisticated, but it's also not that simple. It uses some really impressive floating point black magic fuckery to run extremely efficiently.
2fd451 No.14537672
>>14536268
>remote
Found your problem, tbh
It's a good arrangement when it works but hiring new people straight into that is asking for trouble
a87550 No.14537961
>>14534397
t. brainlet who doesn't understand evola
a87550 No.14537968
>>14534417
> I'm a 28yr-old anxious fat fuck with no social skills
>implying anyone on this board isnt
a87550 No.14537976
>>14534484
>I dunno if that counts as censorship or not
It doesnt you retard, you pay for the game, you accept the Terms of Service.
Private property, hippety hoppity
063c72 No.14538056
>>14534417
Lose weight get fit. And always stick to the truth. But just point to gateway tier shit, lay bread crumbs instead of dropping everything. People love agreeing with shit that they feel like they discovered themselves so just plant a seed in their heads.
Also if you wanna get social skills quick force yourself to get a (simple) job that requires you to be social, assuming you're not a total retard you'll get the hang of being social pretty fast.
b4fac7 No.14538292
>>14534259
One of the worst ppl in design classes are women who say that "the last of us" is their favorite game. And if you ask them they'll tell you they don't play games but watch YouTubers play them.
9acc5e No.14538352
>>14534565
I know those things and I majored in art. I doubt you'll learn them in CS classes, I never did. Read SICP and stop making shit threads.
1796b9 No.14538374
>>14534259
>meet a guy that wants to make an RPG
>Planescape: Torment? What's that?
b6fcaa No.14538390
>>14538374
>It's like skyrim but an MMO
<FML
f6365e No.14538405
>why they chose their career and they said it was because they loved video games.
In CS it's the same (or was, ages ago). Most people are attracted to it because of vidya, which is the one thing you don't code ever except for the graphics classes.
564d9c No.14538410
>>14538374
>>14538390
I laughed but then I realized these are probably real stories
24c5d0 No.14538418
>>14538374
I bet he thinks rolling for stats is lame too.
b6a603 No.14538431
>got hired on by my college after graduation because they would rather hire half a dozen part-time teachers than one full-timer
>told I'm teaching Javascript 1
>one class I have to teach it to is in the mobile app development program
>they're almost all a bunch of filthy casuals who want to make "the next Flappy Bird"
I overhear discussions about various p2w games a lot too. Really grinds my gears. I'm not that much older than these students but it's night and day, what kind of games we play.
1796b9 No.14538451
>>14538418
You're assuming he knows what "rolling" is.
He actually does know. He plays quite a bit of tabletop rpgs. He doesn't seem to play much video games though.
b6fcaa No.14538462
>>14538431
My students wont shut the fuck up about DLC models. I'm all MAKE A FUCKING GOOD GAME FIRST. That's half the trouble with the industry right now, more concerned with monetization, every fucking game has to be a fucking franchise now.
b6a603 No.14538509
>>14538462
Yeah, if you're just getting into it for the money, you're going into the wrong business. I'm sure a lot of these kids are going to be disappointed when they realize they have as much chance of getting rich off a game as they do of winning the lottery.
6ec8aa No.14538510
>>14534259
hese games are good at making money. If you choose profession but it doesn't feeds your you need a special purpose to justify your choice.
BTW if want to infiltrate profession from within and redpill it with your vision of what you believe is proper you still need to be good at making money otherwise your vision would not go everywhere.
1796b9 No.14538533
>>14538462
What degree? I noticed a trend that art students want to make pretty and unique looking games while STEM students are all about churning out mobile trash. I find it pretty weird they're more passionate about marketing and skinnerbox aspects instead of their chosen profession in gamedev context.
b6fcaa No.14538632
>>14538533
Mine are a mix. artists and stem. And as such its a 50/50 split. Some are really great and talented, they want their own studios, some are just in it for either money or they'd rather just play games all day. Half the time it feels like I run a daycare centre for Adults.
b6a603 No.14538646
>>14538632
>Half the time it feels like I run a daycare centre for Adults.
I can relate to that part. They show up late and fiddle with their phones during the lectures and don't do the work or study for the tests and then take up time I could be using to mark assignments to ask me "Why am I failing?" or to basically just have me explain something I did a 2 hour lecture on not long before.
518a59 No.14538695
>>14538374
>Planescape: Torment
whats the deal with it? everyone recommends it, it even has good amount of seeders which means people want people to play it but I can't get into it
564d9c No.14538714
>>14538695
The gameplay feels pretty archaic because it's based on the second edition of D&D and it's nothing special anyway. The writing and setting are superb though.
e50933 No.14538720
>>14538374
He obviously wants to make a fun game, not a shitty one.
1796b9 No.14538754
>>14538695
>wants to make X without knowing how other people have done X before him
Sounds like a plan.
2fd451 No.14538762
>>14538418
Rolling for stats is retarded in most situations (vidya especially, because people will just scum it). It works well in meat grinder campaigns where characters aren't usually going to last long, that's about it.
b8099c No.14538772
>>14534336
I want the 2 autistic Sonyggers on this board to leave
db2fe9 No.14538794
9f213b No.14538910
>>14537968
I'm not a fat fuck with no social skills. I'm a skeleton-mode tard with no social skills
195f76 No.14539212
>>14538509
>>14538510
What I love about the industry is that the good stuff does sell. Devs who know fun and have the vision to innovate get their due.
2dae0a No.14539405
>>14534259
>computer science
>>14538772
>thinking consolewars is a good thing
000000 No.14539479
>>14534284
Gamedev class threads are /v/-related you colossal newfag. We've had them for years.
>>14534417
You'll have a hard time redpilling people through rants. Redpill them with good games until they recognize how awful the shit they play is.
96c457 No.14539515
>>14539405
I miss when computers weren't a duopoly and exlusively hobbiest machines instead of epik gaming rigs that are easier than lego to build.
a885fc No.14539536
>>14534273
They are a joke. Took one out of curiosity when studying CompSci, absolute garbage.
/thread
6ccf98 No.14539587
>>14538431
>they're almost all a bunch of filthy casuals who want to make "the next Flappy Bird"
Please tell me this happened years ago and not recently, otherwise that's fucking depressing at how goddamn foolish and shortsighted they are.
>>14538462
>My students wont shut the fuck up about DLC models.
That's fucking bizarre, won't most publishers mandate how DLC will be distributed? It's like why we have never seen another DLC release like how Bungie handled Halo 2 map pack DLC in 2005.
73f6c5 No.14539593
>>14534458
>going to college for programming
>not pirating textbooks and passing certification tests
if you don't have the autism to study programming on your own then you are a fucking normalfag and do not belong there.
b6a603 No.14539613
>>14539587
This is now. This is my first semester teaching.
fab76a No.14539706
Gamedev classes are useless now anything that is actually going to teach you about video games is going to be infested with socjus. You are better off teaching yourself by actually making shit. You are far more likely to get a job that way as well. Since your portfolio is far more important than anything else when applying for a job. Employers want to see that you can actually make something and manage your time properly. If you have to go to university it's better to just take a straight software engineering degree, if not an animation or graphic design program if you want to get more on the art side.
c76c93 No.14539758
>>14538462
>>14538632
What's the average age on the ones already considering how they'd like to do DLC? Wondering if maybe they're such youngfags that the sheer bulk of games since they've gotten into them having DLC is normal for them.
>>14538646
>>14538632
>tfw there actually is an adult day care around where I live, and I even see their shortbus from time to time.
I'm honestly not even sure if it's a place for the actual challenged/disabled to be taken care of, or just adults that re paying stupid amounts of money because they want to be treated like the children they were years ago.
e2bcdb No.14539803
>>14539706
As someone that fell for the game dev major meme, this is mostly correct.
>now anything that is actually going to teach you about video games is going to be infested with socjus.
This is absolutely correct. Those GDC talks about basically indoctrinating students into the social justice ideology are taken quite seriously by professors. It wasn't too bad before Tropes v. Women became a thing, but they started sliding bullshit into classes, which only intensified once Gamergate rolled around.
>You are better off teaching yourself by actually making shit.
Making side projects even as a game dev major is nearly required to have any realistic shot at any jobs within the industry.
>You are far more likely to get a job that way as well.
Half-correct. A good chunk of getting into game dev requires literally and/or metaphorically sucking the dicks of the right people. There's a reason why cronyism is such a big problem within the industry.
>If you have to go to university it's better to just take a straight software engineering degree, if not an animation or graphic design program if you want to get more on the art side.
Definitely true on the software engineering side. Pretty much every decent software writer I ever worked with was either a former CS/SE major or had a heavy course load in that field. Plus, you have the added bonus of having general software dev jobs as a backup plan and believe it or not, they're actually easier to get into than game dev jobs. I can't speak for art/animation majors, because I didn't really interact with the ones at my college, and I know how pozzed those fields are in general.
4d2519 No.14539884
Hypothetically speaking, if some group from here was to make a half-decent indie game within the next 5 years and paid the $100 to put it up on Greenlight, would it get blacklisted or something or would people just ignore it?
8137ce No.14539899
>>14535258
The main thing is that the constant value used is completely not obvious to anyone and it's how it's able to do such a fast inverse square root. I wouldn't say "it's the most sophisticated" but it's also obscure as fuck and allows games to do those calculations (mostly for graphics) much more quickly than they normally would.
8137ce No.14539911
>>14539899
>>14535258
>>14534284
Also, that screenshot intentionally cut off the comments which actually exist in the source code, which is even funnier. Infamously the comment line next to the constant says "what the fuck?" due to the seemingly completely arbitrary nature of the constant. This is from the Quake 3 engine.
8137ce No.14539942
>>14538405
That class was actually one of the most fun for me. It's the same problem solving you use when you're designing algorithms, just with Turing diagrams.
fab76a No.14539946
>>14539803
How do you think I know this stuff I fell for the shit as well. I went to one before all the socjus bullshit infested them, however the program was so new it taught me fuck all. Out of my entire graduating class I only know of 2 people who got a job in game dev. 1 as a designer at gameloft and he hates his fucking job. The other one is also working at gameloft but as a producer she is essentially a manager and doesn't use anything she learned.
e2bcdb No.14539952
>>14539884
Most likely the latter. The overwhelming majority of video games get passed on by virtually everyone. If someone of note happens to notice it, the former will likely happen, depending on the content of the game.
>>14539946
I don't even know if anyone I took classes with got a job in game dev, between not keeping communication with any of them and the fact that I never actually graduated due to not being able to secure a software dev job.
042e24 No.14539964
>>14534259
>five fucking years for a Computer Science course
What the fuck, at that point why not just go for Computer or Informatics Engineering?
df6d58 No.14540022
I have a few people I know that are taking Game Design courses. Awhile back I had a conversation with one because I was just curious about their course load
So what programming language are you learning?
>Huh? Like Java or something? We just use Engines
Right, but someone had to build those engines
>You don't need to know how to code to make games stop being elitist
798e97 No.14540050
>Game devs have shit taste
>Wonder why videogames are shit
798e97 No.14540059
>>14534517
This, if you want to make games get a career in business or advertising, those are the guys that make the decisions.
798e97 No.14540067
>Work at school
>It's career day so we are asking all the freshmen what they want to do for their job
>Literally 50% of the boys I asked said they are going to be a twitch streamer or a youtuber
>One mentions that he is working on a minecraft let's play
>Not only do they want to be Ecelebs they actually think they will be
eecdd5 No.14540127
>>14540067
Good.
More useless beings that will starve to death.
605808 No.14540144
>>14540022
Oh yeah, that's a real popular line of thought, even around here. It amazes me how people are okay with not understanding how things work.
e2bcdb No.14540148
>>14540022
Seems to vary from place to place. Programming was taught right out of the gate in my major, and there were some cases where engines weren't even touched throughout the course.
a6fb87 No.14540274
>interview at least 5 candidates a week for entry level programming positions
>less than 1 out of 20 candidates can complete basic CS101 programming problems
>some of these people have master's degrees in CS and still can't program (usually pajeets)
>I have to choose the least worst minorities to meet diversity quotas required of a 5000+ employee company
e6ce55 No.14540330
>>14540274
I know enough to write heaps and binary search trees and shit. hire me bro I don't wanna be in school anymore.
6ccf98 No.14540333
>>14539613
Oh God, I sorry to hear that Anon. It sounds like they need a good dose of reality slapped into them.
>>14540067
>Literally 50% of the boys I asked said they are going to be a twitch streamer or a youtuber
I'm surprised the let's play "market" hasn't been over saturated yet, I would hope that some of these lads would have a backup job path.
Out of curiosity what was the other 50% of boys want to do for a career?
12e514 No.14540363
>>14540274
quotas are just more racist, i hate them so much.
33e2cf No.14540813
>>14540067
>Work at a school
>Literally 50% of the boys I asked said they are going to be a twitch streamer or a youtuber
Why aren't you putting together a course on how to become a twitch streamer? You could probably make more money doing that. Pay some of the cheaper whores a bit of money to use their likeness and have them send you an email with a couple tips and market them as super secret information. Show people what they need to buy and send them a link to a page with referral links to the products. Have a QA session on the last day with a local streamer. Make them think it will be a huge eceleb and then wheel out some loser.
1c8cb3 No.14540915
>>14535222
>base your studio in Toronto cucknada
>pretty expensive place to live in
>make kikestarter for for epic super spectacular bestest game idea ever
>it fails
>proceed with the game anyways
>it's another pixelshit zelda clone
>b-but the twist is it has a female protagonist this time so we can corner that market
>???
<OMG WHY DON"T WE MAEK BANK!!!11
<STEAM HAS BETRAYED ME
<KIKESTARTER HAS BETRAYED ME
<GOG HAS BETRAYED ME (it was never even released or planned to be released on GOG retard)
<NONTENDO YOUR MY NEW BEST ALLY NAO
WOW
online sales lag,bugged financial mechanics.I 'm shilling my game here,shilling my game,nothing happens.I'M PANDERING ,I'M PANDERING
If the point of this was to show that nintendrones will buy anything then point madebut everyone already knew as much
2dabff No.14541012
>>14540330
>heaps
Don't they slap the cache's shit almost as much as binary trees one you get past the first few dozen elements?
6d92bf No.14541031
>>14534882
The first reboot was one of the most garbage, brain dead things I ever played. It was piss easy with uncharted combat. It was more a engine/hair physics demo than an actual game.
86d8a0 No.14541095
>>14540333
The market is over saturated for sure. There are literally millions of hours of content that have single digit views. I'm actually subscribed to some individuals/groups that have been making videos for years, following a consistent schedule, doing the "hot" content, and they still at best get ~1000 views on their most popular video of the month. 99% of all let'splay are completely ignored, and rightfully so.
b79632 No.14541104
What's wrong with Uncharted?
bc3e1d No.14541127
>>14541104
It's the perfect example of ruining thousands of hours of work with a few shitty decisions at the top that turn a majestic looking level, into a retarded sniper city on rails.
b79632 No.14541132
>>14541127
How exactly is it one rails?
b3aea0 No.14541141
>>14534273
This.
Anyone in them needs to die.
They are the reason for so many fucking awful plastic feelingless shitboxes of non-games existing.
858d14 No.14541617
>>14541104
>What's wrong with Uncharted?
>current year + 3
>>>/reddit/
018b7b No.14542473
>>14534502
>mfw I'm posting banned memes
605808 No.14542492
>>14540274
Then who the fuck decides there needs to be a diversity quota?
25d147 No.14542568
>Gamedev classes
Have fun being trapped in a dying industry where you are going to be forced to work for a shitty AAA company only to retire 30 years later to start your own company which is going to fail unless you start making meme games
eea844 No.14542585
>>14534503
that's super funny
f86c5a No.14542622
When I took a game design course as an extra (made threads every during every lesson here 2 years ago) for my final work I analyzed every chapter of Half-Life because it was fast to do and churn out pages on.
Anyways - class was filled with people that did not even like video games. Only few and I knew shit or examples that the teacher presented. We had no videos of Extra Faggots. Thank god for that.
23dcb2 No.14542658
>>14534284
I've seen this many times before, but hot damn, does it still piss me off.
2b0af6 No.14542789
>>14540067
How old are these kids? Because if they're younger than 14 I can understand it. We all have unrealistic dreams when we're young. I wanted to be a comedian when I was younger Then my hero Chris Farley died and I gave up on it because I'd never get the chance to meet him
fafc54 No.14542807
>>14540067
Successful streamer isn't even a cool impossible dream like being an astronaut or rockstar. You should convince them to improve the world by becoming school shooters instead, they could even have a shooter deathmatch.
>>14541012
Depends what you're doing it's fine. You can have the most frequently-accessed elements at the top so odds are you'll get a cache hit for example, but that means updating the heap which is a downside.
c62877 No.14542822
as much as college diplomas mean fuck all (unless you want to be in the medical field), game dev sounds like a fun class.
50544f No.14542840
>>14542822
As a club with people that know what they're talking about who teach each others? Sure. As a 36k 4 year program with tackled on (((humanity))) electives? Nah.
0dab3f No.14542860
>>14534517
>Don't become a programmer to make games
>>14534574
>Become an artist!
/v/ never disappoints.
>>14534606
>Copy paste source code to create a game
Is that fucking yandredev?
e8c6ac No.14543374
>>14534259
>gamedev classes
lol
b6fcaa No.14543834
>>14539758
>What's the average age on the ones already considering how they'd like to do DLC? Wondering if maybe they're such youngfags that the sheer bulk of games since they've gotten into them having DLC is normal for them.
Yonger ones seem to be sick of it. Anyone under 16 seems to be relatively aware of the industry problems. Anyone over 16 tends to be a fucking moron up until they hit 21 then the cynicism starts to kick in and they suddenly stop caring about vidya and are more interested in grills. By that point they normally drop out. I teach a lot of ages. I've recently spoken with other specific game schools (so not your average university) and the feels similar there too, we all feel like we're wasting our damn time just baby sitting people who to be fair probably shouldn't be there in the fist place. I'd rather fill the spot with someone who actually wants to GIT GUD instead of wasting my fucking time by telling me how excited they are for X piece of shit game.
Kinda sick of trying. If you people want to be idiots and waste your money, my time and all my energy then by all means what ever. But man is it killing me. I used to do amazing work, but now I'm just sitting around. At least I get paid though so can't complain. But it hurts really bad when I see some idiot AAA studio succeeding where frankly they shouldn't while I'm teaching. It sucks. I'd really like to get out there and kick some ass.
31d428 No.14547585
>gamedev classes
Makes you slightly above libcuck.
>Let me tell you about the last "game dev student" I met. I was fucking the "girl" he was chasing for 4 + years. The dumb fuck actually tells me this in a text when I start banging her he's so miffed. He came to visit one day and the bitch felt so bad she nearly didn't let me fuck her while he was sleeping in the same room, probably jerking off to the sounds of my dick ruining every hole she had for his pinky finger penis.
>kys
605808 No.14547593
>>14547585
Who the fuck are you quoting?
4ef606 No.14548160
>>14539964
one of those years is probably internships
10c24c No.14549898
>>14541104
Absolutely nothing.