/v/ - Video Games

Youre fuckin gay

>>14510685

Doubtful. I didn't play Dark Souls, Silent Hill 2, or Deadly Premonition until a few years ago (I'm almost 30). While I like SH2 and DP, I don't find them to be the best games ever, but can definitely understand why others do. As for Dark Souls, it is now one of my personal favorites.

>>14510693

So you're saying that the most beloved games aren't actually good? That's not what I was saying at all.

>>14510683

1. Popularity is not a meaningful measurement of a game's quality.

2. There may be numerous reasons why it may be difficult for a person to explain why they like (or dislike) any given product. This includes, but is not limited to, the inability to express oneself adequately through written or spoken word and the inability to fully understand what one enjoys in their media in the first place.

3. Many people tend to "follow the crowd", which is to say that there are a large subset of the consumer base who aren't particularly passionate about the media in question and who just want to enjoy something for superficial reasons. In other words, while the enthusiast might devote a large majority of their time to consuming and analyzing every facet of their preferred media, the "casual" is content to mindlessly consume. Therefore, a game's perceived notoriety is influenced in part by a subset of people who don't necessarily understand why the game may be so praised.

4. Anything that has ever been made by human beings can be critiqued for being flawed in some way; what matters is how these flaws relate to the overall production. If a critic is worth his salt, he'll be able to point out these flaws and explain why they're so detrimental to the final piece, and then explain what could have been done to mitigate their impact. Because we live in an age where every retard and their dog has access to a platform through which they can express their mental diarrhea, and because of the points raised in item 2, it can be difficult for the prospective analyst to gleam meaningful feedback on the product in question.

So, what?

>>14510685

>>14510692

Its not nostalgia.

I missed out on a majority of games before like 2008 thanks to being a filthy child at the time with restricting parents, so I've been going back and playing them with no nostalgia available and most of them are just better.

I wouldn't put Skyrim on that list, since going back and playing Morrowind that game is just better with more shit to do, cooler world, better magic, etc.

Also noticed that more games were actually fucking different. Like same exact genre and all but they'd play differently which I swear to god just isn't a thing anymore. Take FPS for example, lets take Dishonored and modern Thief, both stealth based FPS with different abilities in each but aside from graphical style it felt like I played the same game twice in a row. Same feeling in the movement and fighting, same sorts of goals, etc.

But the original Half Life and Doom or even Quake still felt different despite having more shit in common.

>>14510698

>"I don't like one of the games many consider to be amazing"

Statistically that's bound to happen, faggot. No reason you needed to tell others about your uncommon opinion. I'm curious, why did you even bother making such a comment? Did you think it would sway others? Did you think it would make people whom love the game go, "Oh fuck, this random dipshit on 8chan is right, MM sucks ass!"? No. We all know you just wanted attention. You fucking hipster bitch. You make me fucking sick. I hope you die in a goddamn fire while your family watches! There's a special place in Hell for pieces of shit like you. Just off yourself already, you insufferable prick. If your NEET ass manage to waddle over to some poor girl, you should drown any resulting rape-babies, then smother your parents and siblings in their sleep (god knows your out of shape ass couldn't take them while they're awake). Your genes need to be wiped from existence. You know what? Fuck it! I'm going to dedicate my life to finding out who you are and where you live. Just so when I finally track you down I can flip you the bird. Also, you smell bad.

>hard to define

Not really. Majora's Mask is a terrible video game but people like it because of how "alive" the town feels. The Bomber's Notebook lets you keep tabs on everyone in the game and interact with them, interrupting and altering their routines over the three days. Dungeon design is passable. The most interesting thing in them is fairy placement, but as a consequence they're not great unless you at getting all the fairies. Lastly, the technical limitations of the Nintendo 64 led to some creative graphical decisions, adding to the somber tone that makes the game so memorable to some.

Pokémon was a normalfag phenomenon. Red and Blue are deeply flawed games but everyone played them, many of those people being young children who didn't own any other games. They defined many a childhood.

Likewise with Sonic Adventure. The blue hedgehog was already a household name (not only from the Mega Drive classics but the cartoon and PC release of Sonic CD) and the hype of a bigger-than-ever Sonic in 3D was mind blowing.

tl;dr, Nostalgia and marketing.

>>14510760

>liking a legend of zelda game makes you a hipster

What the actual fuck are you smoking? I put it on the list because it's a widely beloved game.

Every game has flaws, it's just a matter of what you're willing to overlook or tolerate to get to the good stuff.

>>14510753

casual leftypol spotted

>>14510788

>ITS SHIT BECAUSE I SAY SO

Lmao, it looks like you're the hipster here, fag.

>>14510783

The mainstream answer is OoT you dork. /v/ is probably the only place with a suitable crowd that argues for MM, and even then it's competing with Wind Waker.

The actual best Zelda is Four Swords Adventures

>>14510723

underrated post

>silent hill 2

This game has great atmosphere. The enemy designs and the dreary environments ultimately give the game a tense and psychological feel.

>dark souls

This game was marketed as very difficult game to complete. While this isn't necessarily true, this promise alone managed to grasp the interests of people who were sick of "press X to win" hallway shooters. Aside from this, the game's simple yet weighty combat is enjoyable for its own sake.

>sonic adventure 1 & 2

Sonic's first foray into 3D. These games feature fantastic musical score and a vibrant support cast. While some of the levels leave much to be desired, at least a few are memorable.

>FFVII

The first 3D Final Fantasy. This game was hyped to hell and back, so perhaps it doesn't deserve as much of the praise that it enjoys, but it's one of the more straightforward Final Fantasy games, at least as far as combat goes.

>pokemon red & blue

Pokemon is an international phenomenon that can be quite difficult to explain. Suffice it to say that children are always a reliable source of income. Nintendo, Disney, and many other companies have known this for years.

>deadly premonition

Don't know anything about this game

>skyrim

The fifth entry in a long standing franchise, TES:V was destined for mass acclaim. Those who were not familiar with the series received an easily digestible action RPG with a huge portion of content that could keep the average joe busy for weeks on end. Aside from this, the game is probably one of the most modded AAA titles in all history.

>major's mask

This game's atmosphere is in stark contrast to its predecessor, which featured a more "by the books" Hero's Journey affair. Majora's Mask poses philosophical questions in guise of character motivations, and the entire game world can be interpreted as a character study in various facets of human psychology.

>DMC3

The stylish combat system rewards player competence. I hear that some people also like the characters, visual themes, and symbolism.

In short, it's easy to see why these games are enjoyed by some. However, you may not like the reasons why.

>>14510810

I actually loved Shadow the Hedgehog. Hear me out. If you like the good 3D Sonics (SA1&2, basically) then you should play it. You get similar fun from the game play, although it's a lot worse, it's still good. The main problem is you lose all momentum when you jump. Because it's so buggy, part of the fun is finding exploits (I would give examples, but you need to figure them out yourself). And the story is actually okay, lots of unique ideas. The main reason you should play it though: THE EDGE. It is so goddamn funny and it never ceases to be. It is played 100% straight.

There are some really bad levels, though. Like, really, really bad levels. If you can get past that, you're gonna have a good time.

>>14510832

How about the game is shit and you're protecting a shitty Ratched & Clank clone of Sega? How about the fact that Sonic is for children, not for school shooters?

>>14510835

>How about the fact that Sonic is for children, not for school shooters?

First of all "It's for children" isn't an excuse to be a bad game. second of all It's not Sonic :^)

>>14510832

>If you like the good 3D Sonics (SA1&2, basically) then you should play it.

I wish I could understand why people enjoy Sonic Adventure. I was a huge little Sonic autist as a kid and Adventure is what made me drop the series, it was just so… slippery.

>>14510827

Sonic Adventure 2 is really more for it's chao garden. I still stand by that if Sega wanted they could make bank by turning that into it's own game.

Make it a Mario party esque game all about minigames with your chao which earns you rewards in the form of animals and drives to give them so they can do the minigames better.

Also was Dark Souls really marketed as a hard game? I don't remember much of it's marketing but everything associated with the game being hard comes more from players making it sort of memetic until From jumped on with the Prepare to Die thing.

>>14510838

You know i am right. SA2 advertised that Shadow fellow. And Sonic Heroes too.

Guns shouldn't appear in child's video games, especially if you're allowed to shoot the police.

>>14510839

I did specially say they were hard games to define why they're good, but I'll try to explain why I love them anyway: You mentioned the "slippery"ness. This is actually part of why it is good. It feels natural. It feels like you're actually running super fast in a place that just kind of exists. It's also fun to replay the levels. Every time you do, you are noticeably better and you feel like a badass for zipping through the level in ways that not even the developers meant you to. And the choas give you reason to replay levels. Mostly I think I like it because I've always been fascinated with the idea of running fast the way most people are with flying. And the games just make you feel like you can do that.

>>14510846

>>14510815

Why does every conversation have to turn to jews? Are you people really so unhappy with your lives that you constantly feel the need to blame the scape goat for your misery you made up in your head?

>>14510840

>I don't remember much of it's marketing but everything associated with the game being hard comes more from players making it sort of memetic until From jumped on with the Prepare to Die thing

It's in the marketing, so if you ask me, it counts.

>Sonic Adventure 2 is really more for it's chao garden

People really care about that? I was always annoyed by it. I suppose it's at least an interesting spin on tamagotchis. I like how the player can influence the chao's appearance by collecting and feeding it specific animals, which in turn will affect its performance in the mini game competitions that it can take part in.

>>14510875

Aside from flashing text not a lot in there shows the game being hard. I saw like getting hit one time, the dark wraith grab, and nothing else really.

>>14510870

I am not even that much of a /pol/ack, you are asking the wrong guy.

>>14510887

Except for the scenes that show the protagonist facing off against the game's bosses, which are large and intimidating, the song being played in the background, and the huge PREPARE TO DIE at the end, right? However, let's not digress from the point. The point is that many people were attracted to the game because they were told, whether by the marketing or by word of mouth, that the game is especially difficult. Are you suggesting that this isn't the case?

>>14510903

I guess I'm just not really phased by big bosses anymore, too many games used it. Stand by it was more the people who played it who gave it the reputation though, at least to the extent it has now.

>Unpopular opinions thread

Check em

I think you should at least attempt to think for yourself and make the effort to define what is wrong with them. Or don't and just say "I don't like it" so another thread can die to your inanity.

But I'm not doing your homework.

Threads like this belong on >>>/cuckchan/

>>14511091

What kind of threads do you approve of?

>>14510700

One of the things Game that must not be named has going for it is atmosphere. The visuals and especially Jeremy Soule's score make it easy to get into.

Playing through again and ethnically cleansing all the non-Nords

>>14511504

>especially Jeremy Soule's score make it easy to get into.

The man's never made a bad soundtrack. His work on Guild Wars 1 in particular was amazing.

>>14510829

I dress up my gf as alunya and fuck her with such angry vigor. She's Irish too

>>14510700

Todd, get out. Skyshit is not a flawed gem, it's just flawed.

>>14510723

I didn't play a lot of the classics when they came out either, we didn't have much money when I was a kid and my parents didn't like violent games. Playing them now, I find some games are definitely still fun and oddly more polished than modern titles. Quake for example has wonderful movement and weapons, I'd rather play it than any modern FPS which is bogged down with stupid bad design/monetization bullshit and lacks fun features like enemy infighting for example.

>>14510700 (checked)

This is /v/, you're not allowed to like Bethesda games here.

>>14510693

Thief is great, you tremendous homo.

>>14510870

The spindash felt awkward and useless with melee combat feeling like another situational novelty. Shadow's running only feels good in the game when you're doing neutral missions so you can kill and speed past the level without giving two fucks about alignment affecting your score or having to stop and ensure every item/enemy is collected or killed. Didn't like how the Shadow androids and Omega were mostly self contained to non canon dead Eggman endings and felt brushed aside for a stupid alien plot that made things confusing unless you hear the doctor's confession 7 minutes or so into fighting the true final boss. That is to say nothing of its ridiculous presentation. Apparently the 1st Adventure was made with the Dreamcast controller in mind since he tends to stick to walls and is sort of twitchy at high speed. Also,

>>14510733

>>14510870

I can tell you're not from around here.

>>14522208

yes, fedoras mask is kino

>>14510700

I don't understand why anyone likes this game. My normalfag friends were raving about it when it was released, and they were playing it on console. It was so incredibly boring.

>>14522208

Best 3D Zelda.

>>14510683

>>deadly premonition

No shit anon. Deadly Premonition is loved because it's flawed.

>>14526166

>Even WW is better than Majora's Mask tbh.

I can't even comprehend opinions this fucking shit.

>>14526492

I liked WW more, but then again I love any excuse to pretend to be a pirate.

>>14526692

Breath of the Wild isn't just good it's top 5 of the whole of last year. People hate it for changing up Zelda's gamplay a bit but that was needed to avoid going stale and it's still obviously a Zelda game.

>>14526699

It could have been good if the map was 5 times smaller but had the same amount of stuff in it, as the game would actually be full of content then. But instead, they opted for the INFINITE PLAYTIME crowd, and 90% of the game is boring filler that I'm sure you'll excuse as "comfy", which it was… for about ten hours, not two hundred. It's why Termina and Koholint Island feel alive, and BotW and WW's worlds don't.

>>14526692

Both are open world games with nothing to do. Sure, Wind Waker's world is smaller, but it's exactly as bland and lifeless.

>>14526699

>it's top 5 of the whole of last year.

Because last year was crap.

>>14522227

It's only good for the sex mods.

I really don't get how normalfags can get into it without them.

>>14510700

It's not a flawed gem, it's a pile of shit that might just contain a raw uncut gem.

Because mods genuinely could have fixed it, turned it from a mediocre rpg into a framework to build good rpgs off of, which would have put bethesda in their place.

The bethesda modding community simply decided not to, because they prefer infighting over persimmons instead of working together.

And no, faggots who say something is impossible to fix are not right.

The whole point of gamebryo is that it's a framework for adding frameworks with the bare minimum in the way of components tacked on.

It's so abstracted out that you can just add an entire physics engine, at runtime.

That's what the bouncing tiddies plugins (HDTpe, which is Havok 2013, and HDTsmp, which is bullet) do.

Bethesda, the SKSE team, the skyUI team, and the modding community chose not to use this functionality, bar isolated cases.

>>14532256

Gamebryo doesn't even let you have trains without making them a hat on a nigger who runs fast. There's no fixing that shit.

>>14510799

Liking Majoras Mask has become mainstream already, and you should be aware of this.

>>14535076

And now that it's mainstream /v/ no longer likes it.

>and the reasons behind why they're so incredible is hard to define

No, it isn't. It always comes down to developers having passion about their game. That's where the flaws come in too, they don't come about through malice usually, but rather the desire to try something new but it doesn't work out as well as one hopes.

The passion behind a game creates nuance and nuance creates a strong atmosphere and complimentary gameplay.

Skyrim is a dumb choice for this list, it's "beloved" because it's a feel good powertrip entry RPG that caters to normalfags. Morrowind would be a better example, it has some pretty fucked up game decision choices but ultimately, it remains remembered for its immersive atmosphere. I really liked the signposts on the roads telling you where the roads took you, and having to listen to directions you were given to find something. There's obviously much more to it than that, but when you start really thinking about beloved games, that list becomes huge and you can see why people really like it for what it is.

>>14510693

>finishing the first mission

It's the easiest fucking one.

Unless you did it on Expert.

>>14539403

Also apparently the original version is less floaty feeling but has missing content over scholarship so I didn't try it.

>>14539403

>>14539409

Yeh Bully is overrated trash for those who don't want to like GTA because it's too mainstream.

>>14510799

>implying a great game like MM is in competition with literal shit like WW

Probably they all did something revolutionary and the flaws are not very important to the core game. Pokemon was (I think?) the first monster catching game and the core game was done very well. You can also add Thief, Deus Ex and Jagged Alliance 2 to the list, with the same explanation.

>>14541459

Fedora's Mask a shit.

>>14510683

No, I don't notice it because your premises are bullshit.

ALL games are "flawed" if discussed in a large and autistic enough audience like h8chan. There's absolutely no game that's not going to be "heavily flawed" according to at least one dumb fucking faggot here. None.

>>14510829

>culturally appropriating Japanese art

It really isn't hard to define for the ones that are heavily flawed. For example Dark Souls is just unfinished, not exactly hard to define that. Skyrim is glitchy and has an incredibly shit story and shit RPG mechanics. It isn't that well liked games are flawed in a way that no one understands, its that a lot of games are popular simply because they are popular. Skyrim is the best example of this, it is just a bad game but is popular because it is popular.