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Which would you rather added?

Beastmen Special Unit/Bosses

Lizardmen Player Character

>>14505249

I'd rather a 40k variant that replaces the Skaven with Tyranids and Imperium/Eldar/Tau player characters

So, is this game worth a buy?

>>14505296

Yes it’s playable and quite fun if you’re into L4D style dungeon crawling

>>14505249

I'm surprised beastmen didn't play a role in Vermintide 2 since they were mentioned in the first game.

I would go with Lizardmen Player Character or a Bretonnia character

>>14505249

I wanna marry a nice lizardman

>>14505475

It does benefit from headshots, but it works regardless of where you aim it. It's just the burst damage option

I found and joined a streamer doing one of those twitch integration things.

It felt like the difficulty was ramped up for the sake of the audience.

Constant waves of enemies, no pacing like how regularly you'd have a rest period after an ambush. Just constant ambush after ambush.

More Boss fights or at the very least a guaranteed boss fight every mission due to this voting system where the audience votes on some event that'll happen.

It was challenging and I enjoyed the extra difficulty to some degree, but I'm not sure that I enjoyed being assfucked for someone else's amusement, plus considering it was Recruit and I was attempting to level up my Bright Witch, I didn't enjoy the near constant ambushes so much.

Everyone makes this sound pretty fun but when I tried vermintide 1 the playerbase just kept playing the first levels over and over. How bad are the pubs in 2 for this?

Ratslayer more like Rat layer

>>14506798

It's not nearly as bad. People kept replaying the first levels in 1 because the loot system meant you went tomes or bust. In this the tomes just mean slightly higher chances of better loot so you can just do the mission straight and still get green/blues. (This, incidentally, is what makes grimoirefagging in recruit especially cancerous)

That changes in the higher difficulties for a couple of reasons. But on recruit I've seen plenty of variation, not to mention you can just host whatever mission you want and people will quick-play into your game no problem.

>>14506704

I want to stress just how much I agree with you anon. To many players are trying to Sprint before they can even walk.

>>14505296

Yes if you're a niggercattle who likes grinding to look at lootbox animation and having spyware pretending to be anti cheat on your pc.

Now grind is less tedious and the shaking and exploding animations evoke goodfeel that makes you not think about time wasted grinding, GOTY!

>>14506898

To the anon from previous thread, pyromancer is amazing once you get a proper crit build going with the right talents.

I used to main Sienna unchained, but the Pyromancer with the flaming skull is amazing, clearing those chaos warriors in one shot really saves a lot of time for the squad, and throwing 3-4 of them to a boss.

Not to mention the insane crit dmg you deal to bosses.

>>14507108

wait till you get to fight him on champion with the AI director spawning leeches and chaos warriors.

>>14506704

I still haven't been able to finish Against the Grain.

Why do people always rush? Do they realize that you can't sprint so there's no way to get rescued if they get fucked?

>>14507108

Because he seems to be designed solely to split the group up, and then harass each individual party member constantly, while being a DPS race at the core - the more time goes on, the more HP you inevitably lose. And time spent on focusing his ass is time being blindsided.

He's essentially a poison specifically made to kill vermintide's game design.

>>14505475

>>14505430

The beam has 3 firemodes, beam, mouse2 aoe blast and when you press mouse2 while shooting the beam

The beam starts up low damage and ramps up to max after about 1-2 seconds of holding it on the target, the amount of damage on the beam triggering depends on your current beam damage, so if you've held the beam for a while it will do more damage than triggering it right away.

Headshots still do more damage even if you trigger it right away so accuracy is rewarded.

>>14507140

Rushing is a good thing. The more time you spend on the field means more time for a horde or specials to spawn. It's very rarely worth it to search every nook and cranny for supplies, you can check behind doors but overall you should absolutely keep it quick. If the other three players are going faster than you are, follow them, no questions asked. If it's just one guy then yeah, fuck him.

But overall, people who rush at least have the right idea. People who dally have the potential to create more enemies, or worse, pick a grimoire when the rest of the group is trying to fucking progress.

>>14507169

Rushing ahead can also create problems tho, the AI actively seeks to punish you if the team breaks off by spawning specials that can incapacitate.

>>14507189

Yes, which is why I'm saying rushing ahead solo is still a problem. Be quick, but stay with the group. A team rushing as one is good, one guy rushing isn't.

>>14506898

>They also added "Heroic Deed" which are supposed to vary up the grind a bit.

The problem with the Heroic Deeds is while oyu get more treasure because you get the reward from the deed in addition to the usual end of level reward, the quality tends to be worse unless it's one of the better Deeds.

On a normal quickplay level, getting all tomes and grimoires, you're guaranteed a General's lootbox minimum and if you're lucky, you'll get Emperor's (if you haven't played, these are the highest tiers). On a Deed mission, you miss out on the quickplay bonus, so you're more likely to get Soldier's and MAYBE get General's. Further, some of the difficulty modifiers remove the tomes and grimoires for some retarded reason. Specifically, the ones that disable pickups throughout the level. It makes sense that no dropped healing items, ammo, potions, etc makes the level harder, but the books offer no in-game advantage. They're challenge items that make the level more difficult by preventing you from carrying actually useful items with you. Without the ability to collect those, you're probably going to end up with a Peasant's/Merchant's box at the end of the level, which is only good for crafting supplies.

It's an easy fix… Give a Heroic Deed bonus to the end of level loot that fills the same purpose as the Quickplay bonus and make the modifier that disables pickups still allow books. Game is a pile of glitch though. Fun glitch, but still fucked up in a lot of ways

>>14507208

I know, I just see so much people who think you're fine if your team splits into groups of 2. The game still tries to murder you.

>>14507214

The biggest fault with the deeds are that they're so hard compared to what you get, like 2 emperors boxes for insta death on down, roaming enemies are all basicly storm vermin and all elite enemies have double health and damage.

All that bullshit on champion and on the skittergate mission, like holy shit.

>>14507214

Don't forget that some of the deeds are hilariously difficult with shitty rewards. One of the deeds I have is to complete a level as if you were a level 1 character with the basic level 5 gear on champion. Not only is it insanely difficult compared to something like "more elites and they also have a fuckton of health/damage", but the reward given is worse than if I just played one of the first few maps using quickplay.

how and why this game got so popular if guys who played the beta said that it was just a vermintide remake and it had barely new stuff in it? what's better from its prequel?

I'm picking witch hunter first, what should i know to not ruin anyones run?

>>14507471

Aim for heads with the rapier.

>>14507434

It fixes most flaws from the first one and steals all the public of the left4dead3 that should have been made for years, basically.

>>14507169

Not picking up tomes and grims is fucking retarded. Health is the last of your concerns, 9 times out of 10 if you die it's because you were surrounded or got jumped by a disabler, and having twice the health won't save you from that shit anyway.

I'm personally really frustrated by idiots on Champ who want to skip grims. Why even fucking play champ at all if you aren't going to go for the red loot chances in Generals/Emperor's chests? If all you want is the xp and crafting materials just grind in vet or recruit.

>>14507572

>Not picking up tomes and grims is fucking retarded.

Tomes and grims literally only matter for experience and to get red stuff on champion. Pick a few tomes to get the extra XP by all means, but full-on 3 tomes 2 grims on recruit is 100% pointless.

>>14507525

Might as well add that a solid half of the classes and talents are worse than others, making the added content fairly meh.

>>14507572

There's fairly little reason to grab tomes before having your item drops at power level 300. Because every ten points increase your damage/cleave, it's usually better to go with a blue that's a higher PL than it is to stick with your orange or even red items. But fuck people that skip tomes, someone almost always could use the health items when you come across them.

>>14506898

>They also added "Heroic Deed" which are supposed to vary up the grind a bit.

Played my first deed quest with the more swarms and more elites modifier on Screaming Bell. Literally drowned in rats at the end and if it wasn't for me being Kruber with charge to bulldoze my way out of the last section I would have been fucked.

>>14506898

>time wasting grind

>he thinks we play for the loot and not because the game is fun

>playing the game is grinding

>>14507694

I never heal or revive the elf

>>14507714

Good job being cancer to your team because of memes.

>>14507603

It's good practice. You don't have to worry about your health at all on recruit unless you pick up two grims.

>>14505322

It's never ever gonna happen but I want To have a greenskin campaign with the boys. Grimgor, Skarsnick, Wurrzag and a big un, just fucking smashing through puny ratmen because that's what they do easily, the regular enemies could be like the minibosses since that's probably the only thing that's fair

>>14507714

>I never heal or revive the elf

Very odd you mention that were you Saltzpyre or Sienna in that run?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/552500/discussions/0/1697167168518689791/?l=hungarian&ctp=11

>>14505296

No it's like L4D but even worse.

>>14507716

>cancer to your team because of memes

>not cancer to your team because you're playing elf

>>14505296

>>14508127

Imagine L4D, but with quadruple the specials and bosses, spawn them at every possible moment, especially the most retarded moments possible, and only carry about a third of a magazine worth of ammunition with you at all times. Then add in a bullshit RNG gear progression system and a skill tree and you have Vermintide 2.

>>14507897

>weirdboy that uses waaagh magic

>sneaky goblin assassin

>black orc with the sword and board

>chieftain to yell at the team to smash better

>goblin on a squig

>all smashing ratmen and chaoz boyz

I would pay money for this tbh.

>>14508127

Want to elaborate on that you sexy shitposting stallion?

>>14508217

>Playing an underpowered class

versus

>Hurf durf I'm going to play with 3 players because ANGRY ABOUT ELVES

Yeah, you're the cancer here.

>>14508284

Games without elves go better than games with elves almost every time.

Try not being trash and you won't need a crutch to play.

>>14508257

Somebody is upset they are bad at video games

>>14508284

>Elf

>Underpowered

She's still amazingly useful even in Legend. Mostly an all-rounder, she's great in melee, great against bosses, great for killing specials and great for keeping the team alive with regen. She might not be as strong at any one thing (although arguably her special-killing is superb), but she's still a great character to have.

Only applies to Waywatcher elf. If your elf is playing Handmaiden or Shade you may as well just votekick.

>>14505273

You cant really do the same in 40k.

If you want eldar, imperium and tau then youll have to deal with different problems, for starters, why wuold they ever work together?

Then, how would you balance them? because an average eldar is almost as good as a space marine, with only the tau fire warrior and guadsman being somehow even, with the fire warrior being inept at melee.

>>14505279

Youre forgetting the face vagina and hooves.

>>14508321

I play it just fine, but in terms of quality L4D> Vermintide 2. I'm not as much complaining about it as I am describing it.

The spawn AI in vermintide just seems to be set to random and that means the game is just going to fuck you sometimes. It will spawn hookrats 2 feet from last men standing so it can hook them before they have any sort of warning or audio cue and it will put chaos spawns in the middle of hoards in tight corridors then decide it wants to through gas rats and storm vermin patrols into the mix to just to make sure you're extra dead. there's no pattern to it like there is in L4D.

And the loot system is RNG shit possibly worse than Vermintide 1.

>>14508432

do you want hell-aids

>>14508432

>not having sex with the purpose of procreation

Makes sense.

>>14508482

I don't, but you would figure that a demon girl would want to spread hell-aids and not need condoms.

>>14508501

admittedly succubi are there to collect sexual energy but maybe she can do that without semen or maybe she's not a succubus.

>>14505249

I played at least a hundred hours with the exact same characters in the first game, so I'd rather they add any character, period.

>>14508376

>If you want eldar, imperium and tau then youll have to deal with different problems, for starters, why wuold they ever work together?

Guardsman just wants to protect his family, Fire Warrior has a duty to reunite with his caste, and Eldar life is too valuable to lose. Those are the three factions that are easiest to group together and I don't know why anyone would think otherwise, because there are dozens of hooks. Guardsman could be from a fringe world that allied with the Tau (and hasn't been cleansed for it yet) and the Eldar could have enlisted help. All three could be crew members to some rogue trader.

People ignore the fact that Vermintide pairs a witch hunter with a witch who he was literally going to burn at the stake.

>Then, how would you balance them?

Eldar is a "teen", Human is a storm trooper, and Tau is in a prototype pilot battlesuit. Or, Eldar atrophied from imprisonment, Human is a hot-shot conscript, and Tau is entry-level Fire Warrior. Alternatively, if a rogue trader crew, they all dip into the same armory.

Or, just don't, because Vermintide balanced a sergeant with a bright wizard, and it bothers nobody that they fight dozens of storm vermin at a time.

>>14505279

Tau vs Astra Militarum give the best infantry on infantry with fire support action. It's a crime that there hasn't been a 40k shooter similar to the Taros campaign. Fire Warrior doesn't count, it was designed to be a different type of shooter.

You'd be hard-pressed to make a good infantry matchup with guardsmen that didn't devolve into a MEQ-fest. The alternative is Guardsmen vs Cultists with no demons or marines, which is just another Imperium vs Chaos game but with nothing fun.

>>14508501

That's not how you get repeat sinnings.

The empire will never end

>>14505273

What would the tau characters be? A fire warrior, maybe a kroot, but what else? A battlesuit might be too OP for this kind of game. I can see it working with both eldar and humans but the tau are just too fragile and lack variety.. Unless you made ALL the characters wear battlesuits, which admitedly could be quite cool.

>>14508574

Yes I have seen it on someone before so I know it does exist. I remembered you from the last thread so I made note of it.

There's no easy way to farm for illusions unfortunately. Best bet is veteran speed runs with bots. I don't think you can craft gear with illusion so you might want to avoid that.

Also all character cosmetics are exceptionally rare so seeing any at all is uncommon.

>>14508376

>why wuold they ever work together?

Rogue Trader away team.

>>14508625

Thanks. My friend and I were planning on doing veteran Screaming Bell runs. Also, I've been saving commendation boxes so is there any advantage on opening boxes if I main Kruber? And are cosmetics just a random thing you can get from any box, or do you have to be on a certain difficulty to have a higher chance of getting them?

>>14508826

*opening those type of boxes or saving them

>>14508518

>Guardsman just wants to protect his family,

A guardsman's family would be far, far away from where he is currently fighting unless its his homeworld being attacked and they just so happen to still be around by that point, the PDF is what garrisons planets.

>Guardsman could be from a fringe world that allied with the Tau

Again, that would be the PDF.

>>14508826

I think they have a higher chance to appear on higher quality loot, so you're better off getting better quality boxes. I didn't see any on low level loot, but that just might be related to weapon quality and drop chance.

As for commendation chests, they're roughly equivalent to soldier champion chests as far as I can tell. I'd still save them for when you get to 200 gear level and can't get higher gear off of veteran anymore. The gear you get out of them depends on who opens them so if you're looking for something for Kruber, you're better off opening them on him. Not 100% certain, but I have heard you can get cosmetics out of those chests. Just remember cosmetics are both character and career bound so your huntsman can't use a hat that you got on your footknight for instance. I am certain you can get weapons with illusions out of them though.

Cosmetics are difficult to figure out how they drop since their drop chance is so low. As far as I am aware, they've only ever dropped off of champion and legendary chests. I don't know if it has to be emperors tier or not.

>>14505296

It's a poor man's L4D.

>>14508826

FYI Fort Brachsenbruke is faster, arguably easier too

>>14508560

Tau stealthsuits are a mobility option, and squishy enough not to outpace your tank while being better than ordinary fire warriors.

>>14508518

Just have the human be sergeant Harker, a Lord Commissar, or someone else capable of soloing carnifexes. Alternatively, you could just do different varieties of guard, with Ogryns as tanks, Ratlings as your elf equivalents, Catachan demolition/flamer specialists, etc.

>>14508902

>>14508826

Different varieties of cosmetics.

First, there's red loot quality. Red weapons have unique appearance, and all red loot always has maximized stat rolls even if you reroll it. Reds can only come from General's or Emperor's chests in Champion, or mid-tier chests from Legendary. I'm not sure if you can get them from anything below Merchant's in legendary.

Second, there's basic weapon illusions. It's completely unknown whether certain illusions are limited to higher tier chests. I'm almost certain you can get SOME illusions from a recruit peasant's chest, but there might be some better ones reserved for higher difficulty. Illusions come it two flavors, "generic" illusions that can be on any green or higher weapons, and "unique" illusions that can only appear on orange weapons.

Third, there's character cosmetics. I've only ever seen one of these drop (an elf hat), and I know the chest it came from couldn't have been higher than Veteran, possibly even Recruit. I don't even know for sure if character clothing (other than hats) exists in loot boxes or if that's purely a premium/promotional feature.

>>14509135

I was playing saltz for a while with the rapier but eventually I switched to kruber with the warhammer and I'm having a lot more fun. I've seen some really good bounty hunters who just one shot specials.

>>14509135

Lie. Bounty hunter is practically mandatory for legend.

>>14509135

As a Saltz Main go for the Rapier to kill non-armored bastards enmasse and for ranged go for the Repeater Crossbow for armored and boss

>>14509148

Not even close. He's too fragile for one, even elf is tougher. He's good at killing bosses and bad at literally everything else, but bosses are far from the most serious threat in Legend.

My best legend runs have been with very tanky setups. We used Ironbreaker, Zealot, Unchained and Foot Knight, only missed one grim.

>>14509186

That's a load of shit. Bounty hunter with the repeater cleaves through hordes like it's nothing if he's being played right (weaving in and out of melee combat for crits) and works great for killing specials; capable of one-shotting nearly everything in the game. Good ammo conservation, high dps, has an emergency horde/boss button, boss stun, and excellent dodge distance.

Being able to set a high speed by constantly dispatching stormvermin is super important in Legend and he's an excellent choice for it.

Two tanks, two heavy damage dealers works best for me.

>>14509218

Bounty Hunter anon, is the repeater crossbow good for said class or pure shit?

>>14509218

Low accuracy, no autoaim shot, slow charging super, low HP, and it's really hard to use spreadshot without nuking your allies unless you are front lining.

The elf is your best special killer, her career skill charges twice as fast and is the best skill in the game for killing a hiding blightstormer or gas rat (burning head is good too, but less reliable because it's 1 shot instead of 3). She doesn't need to rely on meleeing to spam ranged since her career skill gives her unlimited ammo, and when she is forced into melee she has a much better weapon for it (glaive or spear, prefer glaive myself) and more HP as well.

>>14509135

That's dirty elf propaganda. Salty is just fine.

Bounty hunter shits damage and Zealot is just fun.

>>14509232

Repeater crossbow is THE weapon for BH salty.

>>14509232

Repeater crossbow is fucking OP and the reason why Bounty hunter nukes bosses like nobody's business. It's literally the only thing that's good about the class, but damn is it good.

>>14509245

>>14509247

Can anyone list the pros and cons for the repeater gun saltz has vs the crossbow he has, I see a lot of people saying the crossbow is better, but I see people use the gun.

>>14509314

The repeater has a faster reload and a larger burst shot. It takes longer to fire the burst shot though. It has a much lower overall DPS and lower damage per shot with less penetration and lower accuracy.

Basically, it will fire more bullets, but it takes longer to kill anything, making it basically useless and anyone who uses it an idiot.

>>14509314

From simply reading the descriptions of the weapons, I think the repeater is for shotgun death and the repeater is for piercing through a few. It seems like both have their strengths but I haven't been able to really compare the two yet.

>>14509314

The repeater gun is shit.

>Shit damage

>Shit unit penetration

>Shit armor penetration

>Less gun juice in a clip than the repeating crossbow

>Terrible range falloff

>Awful accuracy at a distance

>Awful accuracy when trying to use its special attack to fire all shots at once.

The only things it has going for it is a higher rate of fire, faster reload, and more boolets in a single special shot than the repeater crossbow even though you can't hit shit with it outside of point blank range.

>>14509339

>I think the repeater is for shotgun death and the repeater is for piercing through a few.

It's like you aren't even aware the repeater pistol and the repeater crossbow share a word.

>>14509387

Does it make you feel better if I say I actually didn't?

>>14509444

Give her a spanking.

>>14509444

Don't run through her while she is firing, dipshit.

>>14509444

>pic

is this a player in Let It Die?

>>14509499 (chekt)

>>14509444 (Checc'd)

What about when you're in a narrow tunnel and you're ahead of her, and she just wants to get kills? Fucking hunger in the dark brings out the worst in randos

>played as witch hunter and a bit of bounty hunter

>go to try kruber, back to level 1

>quick play with level 20s who i can't even keep up with to get kills as fast as them

free experience though

>>14509061

We've must have died at least 3 or 4 times on that map specifically on veteran's difficulty. Maybe it's just shit luck but we had ogre rats hit us off into the water, nurgle sorcerers using their tornado bullshit and threw us again into the water, and so many other things that dragged that mission out longer than what it should have been. Maybe it's subjective to personal opinion and your own experience, but we have had so much smoother runs during the Screaming Bell mission. Not to mention all of the boxes that sometimes have goodies like loot die in the market area.

>>14509606

Whenever my ranged allies shoot me too often, I get revenge by hanging back and letting them take the lead and only come in to help prevent a wipe. It can be kind of annoying to play as ranged too when your team is moving around randomly. I once played with a dwarf who would constantly jump when he swung at enemies and he would catch a fireball in the back of the head every time.

>>14509657

I got thrown directly into the river by a chaos spawn, and instantly died on that level.

I want to play a game where I'm a Skaven and kill endless waves of humans.

did the update make it harder? I've had several matches with new players now where the game just throws wave after wave of specials at you. I don't mind myself, but finding random people online and trying to help them through levels is getting a little tiring.

>>14509684

skaven character mod for l4d

>>14509699

yeah the latest patch unofficially buffed increased special spawns. Last night i had 3 blight wizards and 3 leeches spawn one after the other.

Is Kerillian's passive ammo restock (lv10 talent) supposed to work at any health percentage? I'm pretty sure I've seen it work even at full health while nothing in talent's description says about it.

>>14509702

I don't mind that on harder difficulties, but man is it making it hard to play with new players. Trying to coach them on how to fight enemies they don't even know how to block against while getting swarmed by specials is just making that miserable. I worry how my friends are going to deal with it when they get it. Especially one of them who is particularly bad at vidya

>>14509708

I was playing with a friend of a friend last night who told our saltz to block and revive four or five times, and he fucked it up every time - then after being the last one left when the portal was disrupted dived into a slave rat horde and died. I was laughing by my mate was ready to pop a blood vessel. I was pretty useless myself trying to have my lvl 3 dwarf carried on vet.

What i'm trying to say is it's really not worth getting mad at PvE games, if it bothers you too much add the good guys that you play with and invite them when you want to do a few runs. My pals and I use teamspeak but it can help if you have a bare disagreement to use for voip every now and then. Besides, you can always do easier runs and turn the drops into materials to progress, they still have a chance of rolling to increase your gear score.

>>14509766

I have quite a bit of patience for these things, I was just losing every game I played tonight, though I think I narrowed the issue down to showing new players a little to much of the maps. I'm probably going to stop doing that. If somebody doesn't know where a tome or grim is themselves they probably shouldn't have it. Just finished my night with a competent team so I'm alright.

>>14507572

I will skip grims if they are in a retarded locvation like the 2nd on festering Grounds or in Ussingen.

I never stop anybody from trying but I am certainly not goig to fucking bother with retarded jumping puzzles.

>>14506704

Tomes and grimoires truly are meme game design. I mean, the whole lootbox progression system is a giant fucking meme, but still.

Anyone has a complete list of the dwarven words Bardin uses? There are a few readily available dwarven language vocabularies out there, but none seem to cover everything he says, especially in regards to the skaven units.

>>14510060

Well, none of my friends have the game yet and I've been doing pubs only, yet I had 28 hours of fun so far.

>>14510089

>>14510093

Mite pick it up then. The skills and classes seem fun, like KF. Also much obliged for the skavens.

>>14509707

It outright doesn't work. Unresolved bug.

>>14510117

It worked before when she was under half, last patch was supposed to fix it to always work

>>14510269

I wonder if FS can even diffirentiate between bugs and hidden features anymore.

Is there some sort of mechanic that makes you lose health packs or is it yet another bug?

>>14510276

Well, it restores 5% of max quiver capacity, rounded down, every 10 seconds. Nothing in description said it should work at >50% health and it's still a better bonus than boosting your health regen cap to 55% max health.

>>14510322

I prefer to use shared regen and not be a faggot. The level 25 skill and ammo on crit together are more than enough to keep firing non-stop and never run out of ammo.

>>14509667

You and me both. Was even carrying a tome and grimoire

>>14506704

>play against the grain

>potions in small shed

>go get em

>party ignores me and goes forward

>potions of left side at the end of the road

>half the party ignores them even though 2 people on low hp

>can get grimoire after boss

>party gets grimoire before boss

>party dies due to low hp even before grimoire and grimoire before boss

>party has enemies coming on multiple sides

>I block one enemy side

>3 idiots follow right after me and leave our backs exposed to another wave of rats

>always lose hp and always forced to turn back

>always idiots do the same and leave us once again exposed

It's really hard to get any coordinated work out there.

>play solo

>cant do shit on veteran due to people being retards and never watching their backs or bosses spawning in worst possible moments

>ask friend to play with me

>we play together and he's stron enough to go veteran

>suddenly actualy good players show up to fill the party and we breeze trough shit

>last game was humpty dumpty boss fight

>friend gets unnerved because he tried that on recruit when he played without me and run went to shit on fucking recruit

>its my first time on this map but i know from threads he's the shitstomper, the remover of pugs

>breeze trough the fight with minimal problems

It's like game decided to suddenly hurl better players at us. Hope the trend will continue later today

also friendly reminder to ALWAYS equip curse resist to at least 25% or something along the lines

One more thing, did anyone get most of their orange equipment from fucking commoner chests? my best loot was from commoner tier and it was green blue and orange, like 80% of the orange shit i got was from fucking commoners while merchant gives things like white white green

I might be retarded but what equipment gives curse resist? I haven't seen any yet

>>14510046

Saltz and Sienna have best quotes among themselves. Sienna finds his zealotry amusing and he's tsundere as fuck towards her.

Trinket. Max is 33% I think

>>14510455

It's on the last accessory slot only, trinkets I think.

>>14510472

I'll keep an eye on it. Is it an ability from oranges and reds or does it appear on greens and blues too?

>>14510480

Yes, it may appear on green and blue items too.

>>14510482

Ok, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks, anon

>>14510486

>I love the lines of dialogue between the characters.

>It adds much to the flavour of the game and is wonderful for immersing yourself into the setting.

>posts generic elf memes

Anon this isn't immersing yourself in the setting. This is being a pleb.

>>14510486

One of Sienna's quips when picking up the elf is great too.

Is this mayfly going to outlast you, Kerillian?

>>14510503

I tried to pub Legendary all day today with no success. Several easy champ runs though

>>14510502

Krubers license to ham beats all others as far as I am concerned.

I ale you were wish!

>>14509314

repeater has terrible damage, terrible dps due to constantly needing to reload, weapon charge time is significantly longer than repeater (preventing swapping to melee so as to block, etc), no penetration, and no accuracy. single shots are too pathetic to allow for sniping of specials which is half your job, since thot elf is busy racking up green circles by trueshotting stormvermin 2 miles away.

you can actually hotswap your repeater with your melee on longer range kills as bounty hunter to refresh your passive, making it even stronger than before.

>>14509239

What do you mean, "low accuracy"? The repeater crossbow is incredibly accurate. It even comes with damn range indicators on the crosshair for crying out loud.

Given that 2/5 characters have autoaim you're guaranteed to play with someone who does if your party isn't shit. Trueshot is great for specials, but that's it. Burning Head is usually saved for harder specials or bosses, but it recharges quickly by using beam staff on rat hordes-

JUST LIKE BOUNTY HUNTER WITH THE REPEATER.

You can easily get your career skill back up to full in one horde by actually playing actively instead of picking your nose in the rear line. Bounty hunter's role is to be a combination frontline/ranged DPS; all his shit excels at close to medium range. ALL his ranged weapons barring the crossbow are meant to be used at close to medium range. Comparing his function to Kerillian setting up a fucking tent in the back and throwing arrows isn't really logical. The falchion and rapier are all excellent for horde clearing by themselves regardless of your passive crit- taking the axe allows you to specialize further in quick dispatch of any nasties. The only thing I can genuinely think of that BH can't really do well against is shield Stormvermin, because you'd have to give up a good melee weapon for the flail, which is a slow falchion, which kinda defeats the purpose of the damn thing.

The repeater crossbow on the front line is the ultimate horde killer, barring a cracked-out charged fireball spamming Unchained. The amount of multi-hit and penetration you get with crit bolts is just unable to be beat. Especially because it's fucking FREE DAMAGE. If his passive were restricted to the 10 second cooldown and nothing else I'd understand your point but when you can refresh your free 12-18 kills every second on dumbass clan rats, killing another swathe with your repeater, your argument doesn't make sense.

also you can nuke the shitter elf and say it was an accident

He can't replace the role of an autoaim sniper like Sienna or Kerillian, but he can very much take on a lot of their responsibilities at no cost to his own efficiency as a frontliner. That versatility lets your teammates specialize further into what they want to do without having to worry about B, C, and D, since you've got all that shit covered. It means Sienna doesn't need to keep popping Burning Head off whenever the spawn sound for a blightstormer goes off, because you can two-shot the fucker at range.

>>14510464

First time I ran Skittergate as SP, I was first in line.

paraphrasing, can't remember exactly "Courageous men need not fear Skaven trickery…" then he fucking shouts "COURAGEOUS MEN NEED NOT FEAR SKAVEN TRICKERY!" to the rest of the party.

That mine really fucked with his head I guess

>>14510563

Repeating Crossbow is lower accuracy than any "sniper" weapon, including sienna's beamstaff and kerillian's longbow, among others. It's good at medium range but frequently misses beyond that.

Saltzpyre's melee weapons are very poor. They are one step above Sienna's, but that still leaves him as the second-worst melee character in the game. He also has the lowest HP in the game.

His "horde clearing" requires him to alternate between melee and ranged hits, spend time reloading, or risk running out of ammo, compared to Bardin or Sienna who can both spam shotgun (pistol alt fire for bardin, not the actual shotgun) and kerillian who can non-stop fire longbow arrows with even better penetration.

His career skill is slow. Shooting shit barely charges it, partly because he absolutely must have ammo on crit to function.

>>14510583

Even though I could never put a finger on why, I haven't touched Victor since the beta even though I like him as a character.

On top of being somewhat weak there is little to differentiate between his careers since any career can take any weapon with the sole difference being in the, sometimes equally weaksauce, abilities and passives.

While not as much, he needs a rework together with Handmaiden and Veteran Ranger.

>>14510583

If you build some decent critrate on top of your guaranteed crits I find the repeater crossbow still viable as fuck. If you combine it with the rapier and use your unlimited-ammo-alt-fire-pistol with it to defend yourself every now and then he can actually carry the team well. I agree that the other ranged classes are probably stronger though, except for MAYBE the elf, but that's mostly because of players who pick her being infected with the massive elftism-debuff and thus becoming brainlets when they play her.

>>14510583

Try using the flail and flintlock pistols with the Bounty Hunter career.

Absolutely the best combination.

>>14510603

Ironbreaker is the best dwarf class and fucking OP as hell. Part of that is because it has the Dwarf's best ranged guns, the Drakefire Pistols, but a large part of that is also because it's fucking unkillable even in legendary.

>>14510626

I wish they'd buff the damage on slayers double axes just a tad bit, its fucking ass that once you reach champion / legendary they stop killing basic northlander enemies in one hit even with max hero power.

>>14510486

>>14510502

I'm pretty sure the elf actually likes Sienna, maybe more than likes. She seems to especially hate Saltzpyre and the empire for how they treat Sienna. One of her healing lines refers to Sienna as "the least annoying one" which comes across as sort of tsundere, and her voice line when Sienna heals her "I'm sure I'll return the favor before we're through" is said with a MUCH warmer tone than anything else.

>>14510864

They added an entire new faction. Maybe it's not enough to your liking but clearly they don't need you to think enemy variety is good.

>>14510920

Certainly not enough. If I had ever bought vermintide 1 I'd be bored pretty fast.

>>14510626

True, he's the exception. Had him more under the category of "tank" than "melee", but yeah, the drakefire weapons make him strong as fuck. Especially if he builds on crit and gets the Heat Sink trait on them.

>>14510864

>Prague town square in the background

Pretty accurate picture except rats should be darker skinned and trying to sell tourists shit they don't need

>>14510987

>shallow grindy game

>where you kill the same shit over and over

>nuu-uuuh you are the retard for not liking it

The fanboy opinion. Hardly any argument but *it's not an issue killing the same shit forever with little to no variety*.

Guys like you play wow from it's start to this day.

recruit level shitter from last thread here

my friend and I tried out the bots and got instant results. Haven't lost a single game with the bots yet and I'm finally getting regular lootboxes. We lose the quickplay bonus, but no one is picking up grimoires or tomes which means we can actually win. I didn't even realize that recruit level shitters were sabotaging our quickplay matches by picking those things up. No level 4 character can handle that

>>14511346

Calling me names will not really make you less of a shallow fanboy.

>>14511378

>Homing in on the part of his argument where he hurt your feelings

How's your liberal arts degree working out for you?

>>14505249

Freebooter

>>14505320

Lizardman and bretonian knight. In fact just scrap the current cast so you can have a bretonian knight/squire/lizardman/freeboter/gold mage team.

They did real good on making the pyromancer actually feel like a pyromancer but I'd love to see what they could do with a gold wizard.

Is Mace+Fireball still the optimal pyromancer loadout?

Has anyone noticed that Victor Saltzpyre's pistol dropping animations in 3rd person are not present in Vermintide 2 compared to 1? Or is it the fact that I'm playing on medium graphic settings where it looks like the devs took an animation budget cut?

>>14511661

I'm on high settings and don't see shit, I think they just cheaped out.

>>14512302

Some shitters learn where the grimoires are before learning how to play but, thankfully, they're not anywhere close to the majority. In fact, it mostly seems to happen in Against the Grain.

>>14512328

Honestly, I can carry a team of noobs who pick up grims, it’s when they seperate for no apparent reason that really fucks things up. I get when people get ahead, but there are times I’ll turn and find two members completely in opposite directions at the back of the map.

>>14512412

I meant axe/shield if you havent got a dedicated armour killer

>>14512418

>>14512428

Thanks, I might try regular axe until I unlock or loot the shield one. Having my face smacks against chaos warriors and such actually count is really needed.

Drakefire have served me well against most things except larger things, Ogres and anything its size just seem to shrug off even weakspot hits. Maybe it's just an issue with my power lvl.

>>14512457

the drakefire pistols are pretty much the best ranged he has, shotty is pretty good if you abuse the infinite ammo crit punches. Most legendary runs dorf will run pistols

>>14512428

I did a veteran run on war camp, the one that ends with the barbarian boss. I'm pretty sure we would never have won if I didn't have the simple axe because the sienna wasn't doing that hot against him and elf was a fucking shade. Even more useless that the handmaiden, that.

Still haven't found an axe and shield though.

>>14512384

get the +HP% talent and use a two handed hammer. shields are shit in any difficulty below champion since you can murder everything with one swing

>thin the horde and snipe specials with your pistols

>switch to hammer when things get within 10m.

>use normal attacks with 2h hammer to crush armor

>use your F offensively ie. against a mob of elites

>learn how to dodge

>pay attention to your passive cooldown timer

also get into the habit of not using the charged attack on pistols because it blows dick on legend and in general since you are better off push blocking with melee

>>14512384

Don't listen to any of these faggots telling you to use a shield, you have a mountain of stamina and dmg resistance without it so it becomes a crutch.

Use a 2handed hammer and practice perfect parrying and you will not only remain unkillable but also solo entire hordes and bosses

>>14510093

>mod tools released late april

somebody please tell me that they are working on models of these to replace the originals later.

Is there any Sienna build that benefits from using dagger or firesword?

>>14512781

I don't care about the fur, I want the lewd. Any game that can have lewd mods must have lewd mods, no exceptions.

>>14512831

I'm pretty sure there was a tittymod for VT1 that made the witch and elf have hilariously oversized boobs with terrible textures.

>>14512666

I just hope they are as loose with their modding capabilities as Left 4 Dead. If they allow custom maps and such this could be my GOTYAY.

also

>tfw finishing up a good run with a competent team on veteran

the irony behind recruit is it's harder than the other difficulties just because of the new players.

>>14512849

More than anything I just want more maps. Games like this are always killed off by their small number of maps and even smaller number of actively played maps. I'm already tired as fuck of grain and fort.

>>14512849

I don't see how the mod tools wouldn't allow custom maps, they're the obvious primary concern for a game like this.

>>14512862

>>14512871

let's keep our fingers crossed

>>14512871

>>14512877

This, the game needs some L4D treatment to add custom maps and campaigns.

>>14512889

somebody could tweet them and ask I suppose. Best case they answer that it will include that, worst case we make it known that it's wanted.

>join champion game with idiots talking about getting all tomes and grims, all of them level 30

>go in aiming to level up my 10 Kruber

>'Dude, level 10 on champion? lmao, you're too low level'

>convince them to let me join them

>against the grain

>'This should be easy'.

>They literally don't make it past the very first wheatfield before wiping

>end scorecards arrive and I top least damage and most kills as a level 10

>host angrily kicks me

LEARN TO FUCKING PLAY BEFORE YOU GO GRIM HUNTING YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN ELF NIGGERS! THIS TRASH IS RUINING THIS GAME!

>>14510486

The lines are a decent chuckle but from what i've played so far they could be better expanded on, except for viktor, everything he says tickles my funny bone because he's so ridiculous

Reminder that the elf is legitimately just an angsty teenager that got the boot for being too edgy.

>>14512938

the more I play around her the more I don't hate her though it may be the accent or perhaps the way she's tsundere for the lumberfoot…. that or Kruber is just the one she hates the least.

>>14512914

>And entire team of three wipes to stragglers

I don't think this has anything to do with elf but whatever you say.

>>14512962

here's a (you), don't waste it now.

>>14513011

This kind of line doesn't work when the utter and catastrophic failing of everyone in the team is blamed on elf, azumgi.

>>14513181

To be fair, they could have played other heroes and seen people go for them in the past.

>>14513200

i'm sure that's how it usually happens but the beginner's experience with quickplay is grinding exp in consecutive losses because low level shitters think they can survive grimoire bosses even though no one has any decent equipment and one of your teammates is MIA

>>14512914

>implying they didnt kick you for misplacement

>>14513181

Jesus christ I feel like I got lucky winning my first 3 maps in a row. I've only gotten a bad experience now that I'm playing on Veteran, it seems that since every moron jumped up a difficulty they haven't learned how to deal with the enemies. Of course they still grab every tome and grimoire so we just get fucked.

>>14513325

I hate when people grab grims when everyone has below 50% HP.

But even on Veteran elves are shit.

Is there any way to bypass the legend requirements? I'm still a bit far away from 420, got friends who want to play with me and the grind is killing me.

So what do I actually need to play Vermintide 2? Do I need to put up with always online DRM?

>>14512914

No point in playing champ if you aren't looking for generals+ chests. Commendation chests are champ soldiers tier, so just level up another character if you are looking to grind to 300 gear level. Of course, you don't need 300 power gear to be able to get Reds that already have 300.

Of course, that's no excuse for a bunch of 30s to get outplayed by your level 10 ass. Doesn't mean you as level 10 belong in Champ mind you, just that those 30s really sucked.

I fucking hate Kruber. Hack poke hack hack, that's his entire fucking kit His charge is useless outside of briefly stunning bosses and a very good way to get killed, his ranged weapons are the worst in the game, he really just doesn't do anything at all but hack poke hack hack.

>>14514336

Maybe if you spent less time being a filthy fucking elf, you'd be able to appreciate Kruber.

>>14514364

I've played everything through at least one Champion game now, Kruber's my lowest at level 22 and he's still the worst of the lot.

>>14514336

His charge is absolutely mandatory for anti-ganking. I can't tell you how many times when a damn mini boss wants to cheese and continue to harass a down team mate. Especially in larger packs and you are the last one alive trying to get everyone up.

>>14514385

Bounty hunter and Pyromancer can do the same thing, but theirs actually does a fuckload of damage too

>>14514336

I think he takes the "balanced" role but because of that he's pretty darn boring.

>>14514336

>being able to stun chaos spawns and trolls to make them drop players without the friendly fire of a bomb, multiples time in a fight

>bad

>>14514595

And how often do I see Chaos spawns, once every 6 maps? Half that for when somebody is actually stupid enough to get grabbed?

>>14514567

He's melee focused. "Balanced" is elf, with salt and sienna being more ranged and dwarf being more melee.

>>14514336

>good way to get killed

lol

you can block cancel it bruh

with the level 25 talent that grants free blocks it's a get out of jail free card if anyone in your party gets downed

also the best boss lockdown going with a conc pot

damage resist aura is great. halberd and handgun let you fill in gaps in your team's loadout. snipe specials. 3 shot chaos warriors on champ with your halberd. etc etc.

His weapons do good damage and he's just an all around useful character as Merc or FK, with Huntsmen becoming more useful in legend.

>>14514602

play ranger vet with a grudgeraker with scrounger on it

you get to blitz through the entire map blowing niggers away with your boomstick and thanks to being able to melee with the grudgeraker you can get free ammo.

get to dunk elites, specials, do respectable damage to bosses, bail out people who are downed with your ult, shoot shield vermins in the back with your ult

>>14514682

I tried that shotgun build. It doesn't work for shit and ironbreaker with pistols is better in every possible way. Yes the rifle but CAN get you ammo back, but even with a maximum of 10%+base crit you have to pummel somebody forever just to get back 2 shots, and unfortunately you only get 2 ammo per enemy hit on a crit, rather than per pellet, so it really doesn't pay for itself that way either.

Try ironbreaker with a shield and pistols, block while you are reviving, use your skill if you have to revive in the middle of a pack of heavy attackers, use the pistol alt fire to blow away entire hordes, spam the primary fire to kill anything else before you even reach it, while running directly at it because you are a fucking tank.

>>14514602

Alot more frequently than before since mini bosses now spawn more often since the last patch. I've had many instances in veteran where a chaos spawn or a troll would trap us in a really bad spot (not due to us being noobs, you can't deny that shit happens in this game). Even if you charge into a chaos warrior or get ambushed by a patrol, the knockdowns are invaluable to your team as it allows them to do their damage while you provide tankiness and distraction.

Also, it's up to debate if the Foot Knight or if the Iron Breaker is the tankiest class in the game, since it's been argued that the Foot Knight can out tank Bardin if utilized properly.

>>14514902

You can do pretty decent with bots, I believe they use your skill setup and equipment.

>>14514902

People rarely talk. The voice chat itself is pretty shitty so even people who have mics tend to not use it for fear that whoever they are talking to won't understand a thing they are saying anyway.

>>14514921

>>14514947

Well shit, I may actually have to buy it now.

Victor Saltzpyre is the only way to go you mayflies

>>14511547

>defends shit design choices

>goes super defensive about them

>durr you have a liberal arts degree

<talks about how others are hurt

How does it feel that your game is a shallow grindfest with lootboxes ?

>>14514902

You can outright set mic volume to zero. Permanent and universal voice chat muting. The autist's final solution.

>>14507152

And what do you know, you did forget something. You know how sometimes he will directly stun a single character ?

>Desperately try to hang on by constant reviving

>Be the last one standing, all set up to revive others

>lol stunned xD

He's just very finely designed to be the most cancerous piece of shit.

>>14514983

>The autist's final solution.

Perfect.

>>14515112

you get a lot more oranges from higher tier chests. More oranges=more orange dust for crafting, which is more or less the only thing recruit is good for

>>14515116

Oh, oranges also provide more scrap per item too

>>14515112

>206 hero power

>still on recruit and veteran

step up nigger

>>14512871

That's our industry for you. Keep in mind that it took six(?) years for Valve to turn off the anti-mod filter they'd had in Left 4 Dead 2.

>>14512942

Complete opposite for me. At first I was fine with her, sure she would constantly find openings to jab at everyone, but whatever. Then I heard something along the lines of:

>Spare me your sorrow, this town has been torched long before we got here.

That actually got me pissed the fuck off, perhaps its my hatred for elves, my Warhammer obsession, or the attachment I have for the other characters being as this game created them pretty well. Whatever the case may be, every single FUCKING NOISE that ELF makes since then automatically registers a feeling of absolute eternal hatred and a need to bring a company of lumbermen to the nearest Bretonnian forest.

>>14515130

There should be a mandatory 500 hero power minimum for Champ, 600 for legend. 500 hero power means you either have level 30 and the max loot from Vet, or level 20 with champ loot already. If you don't have that it should automatically lock you out of any public games and disable the private/public toggle when hosting a game. You want to be the 200 power idiot in champ you can do it in your own private game.

>>14515367

change that to legend, minimum hero level 25 please and thanks

you know you are good when the randos all add allyou after the game

>Hear saltzpyre mention a tale that skaven first appeared with the toll of a great bell

>Sounds interesting

>Hit the LORE

>Salty is referring to an ancient poem, hardly reliable history but still notable

>It tells the tale of a great prosperous city that built a huge tower but made it too huge and they had trouble finishing it

>Some stranger offers to finish it for them, the dumbfucks accept, the tower is magically finished but there's a great bell at the top, and when it tolls everything goes to shit until the skaven appear and devour everyone

Pay2win, not even once.

>>14515367

I dunno, I do fine with my 250~ Ironbreaker on champ. But then again blocking and shoving doesn't really get affected by power right?

>>14515832

I think shoving does. But the real restriction is that you should have level 20 at minimum. Healing on kill is too important to do without.

>>14515835

Ah that's true.

I use healing on boss kill.

I've gone a few rounds without using any healing items at all, the passive cooldown talent does more than you'd imagine.

>>14515900

As dwarf, you can use the pistol alt fire to clear hordes and instantly heal yourself to full (temp) health.

>>14515906

Alright, I'll give it a try.

>>14515367

>Join a veteran game

>See a level 3 kruber and a level 1 dwarf

>>14515933

I used veteran games to level my characters.

New patch is live. Let's hope it squishes some bugs.

>>14514682

Pyro is single best boss lockdown with conc potion, plus you can do it from distance

>>14516009

She's amazing for that, I even got a 50% increased potion duration trinket.

>>14516030

>>14516009

Pyro is great for that because Flaming Head does so much damage on top of the same stun/knockdown. However, Kruber's special does have a faster charge time.

>Burblespue Halescourge

>Bubblespit Halleberry turned out a bit harder and more unforgiving compared to the other Lords, mainly because of unavoidable attacks and a high health pool.

>We still want this fight to be challenging and different from the other lords, but we’re tuning the Burgersnot fight to make it more fair and balanced.

>Max health reduced by 10% for all difficulties.

>Plague Wave - the green illusions. The angle has been increased for the triple Plague Wave attack, allowing players more space when avoiding it.

>Plague Wave can now be dodged more efficiently by lowering the impact radius when the player is dodging.

>Lowered Number of Berserkers spawned on Legend difficulty from 5 to 3.

>Lowered number of Marauders spawned on Champion and Legend when spawning with Berserkers and Chaos Warriors.

Other patch notes here. No mention of fixing the bug on the recover ammo on boss kill traits.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/552500/discussions/0/2650805212060232604/

>>14513724

>go in aiming to level up my 10 Kruber

>hurr no point going for loot in champion

Reading comprehension level zero. I don't want to sit and play on veteran all day to level up because it's boring as fuck and too easy. If you somehow think a level 10 is too low to be playing on champion you're probably a shitter who's not good enough to play on champion.

>>14516059

No I'm the guy who has to carry your retard ass. At least the level 30s can actually get some shit done before they die.

Undocumented change: The minecart in "Hunger in the Deep" actually explodes now. The trolls no longer simply die of disappointment

>>14516209

I'd actually like to see the cart knock rats down when they jump in front of it.

>>14516054

>Plague Wave - the green illusions. The angle has been increased for the triple Plague Wave attack, allowing players more space when avoiding it.

Yes, glad they realized it was a bit of a "fuck you, DoT for everyone" nuke button. I'll reserve judgment until I face him again though, the change might be negligible.

>>14516245

Note that they also made it so that they have a smaller hitbox when dodging as well, that will probably have more of an impact than the wider angle.

>>14516631

Elf players are a fucking trashfire. I can't tell you how many times they ruin everything and gets the least acclaims on the scoreboard. Last time I checked they were good at dealing damage so there's no excuse. They even shoot at trashmobs to artificially boost their shitty kill count.

>>14516245

>Yes, glad they realized it was a bit of a "fuck you, DoT for everyone" nuke button

Well, you "could" dodge it but it was a fucking hardcore precision thing to do.

Best solution was a dworf with pistols + firebeam mage, elf and grubber on crowd control, stick together to the walls of the arena to avoid AOE and have some time the split second to dodge.

And even like that you'd wipe half the time…

If we could get new player characters that would be fantastic. Maybe another caster with an interesting spell dynamic like a kislev ice mage lore of life wizard or a necromancer

>>14516631

The threads keep mentioning shitty elves but in my personal experience the shitters have been evenly distributed, with slightly more siennas and slightly less dwarves. For some reason the worst kind, the one that just buggers off wherever they please like the map is a vibrant explorable world, tend towards kruber.

>>14516874

>necromancer

Wouldn't that be kill on sight for Salts?

>>14516917

I find that the most shitters are centralized in elves; but I might have a skewed view because nobody I know plays an elf so that slot's always open for pubs.

The only other class/character I've seen be so consistantly shitter-populated as Elves is Slayer Dwarves, followed by Battlemage/Pyro Siennas.

>>14516920

Saltzpyre is already fairly radical/moderate (depending on perspective), cooperating with a 'criminal' witch, an elven exile, and a dwarf. I think he could use his hatred of the skaven and the desperation of the situation to justify just about anything.

>>14516943

Yes, Saltzpyre is probably the most nice Witch Hunter in existence, but even he would not suffer a necromancer to live. Why would one even be there rather than making an army of skeletons to hide behind? I don't think only Saltzpyre is the problem neither, I cannot see Bardin or Kruber being okay with one. Sienna or Kerillian are harder to predict, but I think both would want him (really) dead just as much.

>>14516943

I literally only play quick play pubs so I guess I get the whole spectrum of shit. But really, my biggest problem is by far shitters who are bad and want grimoires at all costs. Just one bad dude is generally manageable. Playing bounty hunter goes a long way in pubs.

Not the right game for a necro, give me a fucking gold wizard.

>>14516943

>>14516973

The end times context makes sense, its a "join or become rodent and chaos food" type of situation.

This can only happen in Fantasy, but in no way it would be feasible in 40K.

Does the Parry trait prevent damage from bosses on a successful parry on higher difficulties?

>>14516968

Vlad exposes himself as a vampire to the emperor during the end times and becomes an elector count and sylvania rejoins the empire. Lahmian vampires are deeply embeded in the empire and seberal have played decisive roles in its politics. Balthazar Gelt becomes a necromancer during end times, this is all canon. A vampire or necromancer character is not ridicules or lore breaking.

>>14518183

Nobody but Chaos gets along with Chaos though.

If they do decide to release a new character I'm convinced it'll be a brettonian afflicted with vampirism. Career choices would continue the theme of either giving in to the edginess inside (blood knight) or being saved from it (questing/grail knight) like the others.

How in the name of fuck is it allowed that no ammo recharge can spawn before a boss?

>>14518630

But the weightwatcher can snipe specials almost half as good as Pyrosienna and leave most healing items and ammo refills to the team.

Well, I've tried Slayer now.

Fuck me if it's not the most fun I've had yet.

This glass cannon meme fucks everything.

>>14518630

>can combine self healing with regen trinket to free up medkits and potions for team

>special sniper ultimate combined with longbow to clear tagged enemies from afar

>Glaive can cut through rothelms in two shots to the head and armour is fucked

>regen arrows to never run out or run team regen to help those near death

If elf players weren't always such shitters she can be a great asset to the team, Im trying to play her right now but there are so many retards on champ and legend who instafill her slot

>>14516065

Found the (((ELF))).

>>14518728

You don't need regen arrows for waywatcher. Her level 25 talent recovers 50% (not 20 like the tooltip says) every time she uses her special. That's more than enough, especially if combined with ammo on crit. I always stick on team regen for that.

Waywatcher also gains a bonus to headshot damage and effective range. You don't really need uninterruptible revive since you can block during revive anyway and anything you can't block will likely kill you while you try. All handmaiden is really good for is running ahead and getting everyone killed. Shade at least gets up to 75% increased damage from behind, though to hit something from behind you normally have to sacrifice hitting the head.

>>14519667

Are you trying to get bullied? Is that the profile of somebody you don't like?

>>14519659

I'm glad I found my red trinket, I was never able to reroll a 5/33 without it. My Charm is 5% attack speed, 10% chaos, you don't usually need vs Skaven because they tend to be weaker anyway.

>>14519659

>>14519729

Oh, and reroll that awful "all other potions" nonsense. 50% extended duration is better because you get to use the potion you actually want for 3x longer than with the charm you have.

>>14519737

Really none of my builds are built around specific potions, and the one that is (sienna) regens her special with the combo around 3 times fully and frees up the potions my teammates want to use.

>>14519729

yeah but damage vs chaos and skaven covers the entire two enemy groups according to a fatshark stream so getitng +10% vs both is by far the superior option

>>14519942

Not necessarily. Skaven are far weaker than Chaos. You could have 10% against everything, or you could have 15-20% against the things you need extra against and only 0-5% against what you don't.

>>14520095

Here's the enemy table showing what types each enemy belongs to

https://vermintide2.gamepedia.com/Enemies#Enemy_Table

>>14518630

>Slightly better dodge and uninterruptible revive is better than health regen, better ammo, and special nuking

Nice bait.

>>14520299

bots are trash until you get a good power level across all of them. not sure if they share the power level of the host or what though.

>>14520312

Bots use your characters exactly. They have the same weapons, stats, power, talents, class, and even cosmetics as the last version of that character you used. There is no Saltzpyre bot, playing Salt replaces Bardin normally.

Bots are pretty decent most of the time, especially once you've leveled them a bit. At this point (level 30 everything) I could probably run champ with bots reliably, but since bots don't pick up grims ever and tomes only rarely it's not worth the time.

>>14520312

>>14520329

I only have marcus at 6 and saltz around 7 or 8 but the last few runs i've tried had wiped or disconnected out partway through which is almost even more annoying than a wipe since you don't get the pity-exp

>>14520329

Iv'e run champ reliably with level 20 bots so there's that. Kruber seems to be able to oneshot elites reliably, sienna bot is pretty trash with ranged though

>>14520341

You are disconnecting from a solo run? Sounds like your internet is a piece of shit. The wipes are probably on you as well, since bots are more than capable in low tiers

>>14520329

They actually scale their power to match the host. You can give level 1 bots low level oranges and they would be just as good as level 30 bots with level 300 oranges and no talents selected.

If you wanna solo with bots, one of the best options seems to be setting your bots as foot soldier, ironbreaker, and unchained, while playing the damn dirty elf. You have to babysit them a little, but they will almost never die and will gladly tank everything while you focus on more vital tasks. If you don't have those classes unlocked, then just give em shields and flamesword and hope for the best. If you want to play as those tanky boys then good luck doing anything with your retarded glass baby bot.

>>14520415

you misunderstood or i phrased poorly. I got host disconnects in quickplay or the guys wipe cuz some one keeps wandering off. I was thinking of just doing some bot runs to get some levels up

Alright I now have all 5 characters to level 30.

>>14520429

I know for certain that Bots use Talents and item traits. I can't confirm Power, but it seems to follow logically if they use the traits on the item and the illusions on the item they probably use the other stats as well. The most direct way to test that they are using talents is Kruber's extra stamina shield aura. When you equip that to Kruber and play with him as a bot, you do get the extra stamina shield yourself. The most obvious test for bots using equipment traits is the Regen necklace. I've seen bots go full retard trying to drink a potion they can't drink because of that thing, so I know it's working.

>>14520618

Why are you saying all of that as if I said otherwise and you are trying to argue against me? I only said that they scale their power level to the host instead of using the displayed power level, nothing about the rest because that's all correct.

>>14520429

Elf bot generally does a pretty good job of killing specials. You might do alright playing Pyro Sienna and letting the elf provide ranged support. I don't like the idea of being the only ranged on the team

>>14521173

>Unfortunately, I was playing on Veteran to level up Kruber, so they're all worthless.

What does that have to do with it?

>>14521251

Anything in the boxes is capped at item level 200. So worthless.

>>14521257

Meh, salvage the trash and then make yourself some new orange items. You'll get something new you like.

How come most tanks (Bardin, Kruber) don't use the shield bash and only use the block+push. It's pretty bad; also the shield bash actually does damage on top of knock-back and can be combo-ed into strikes.

The basic way I play, with shield and axe on Bardin, is Shield bash into block into another Shield bash. Keeps hordes constantly back and I actually deal dmg to all. You can also extend the block with a push+strike and the shield bash with a strike.

>>14521556

Most people don't know that you can follow up a push with a quick heavy attack, and using heavy attacks effectively requires more timing and skill than the average person is willing to muster. That said, if you are trying to out-do the elf for damage then you are playing an Ironbreaker wrong. Keeping the team safe and the situation under control is top priority, not dealing damage. If just pushing achieves that, then push-on little dude. Leave the damage-dealing to the lesser races that get all excited over getting green circle stickers on their report card.

Related, but a lot of people don't know that you can manually vent fire weapons either. Press buttons you fags, you shouldn't need a forced tutorial to hold your hand and tell you every little thing you could possibly do with everything in every situation.

>>14521798

I think the bedrolls in the center change based on who's been in your group recently. Of course the quarters are always there, have you found all 5 yet?

>>14521798

I think it was each character gets a room at level the 10.

>>14521812

I hadn't found any of them my first time exploring, this time I found Bardin's, Sienna's and Saltspyre's.

Also all those picture frames have to be for something.

>>14521818

>level the 10

T-thanks autocorrect.

>>14521818

That would explain it, Kruber is my last sub-10 character and his bedroll is the only one still there.

>>14521798

At level 12 they move their stuff into their own personalised rooms.

I'm hoping they get more stuff when you hit level 30, maybe even something for hitting lv 30 with all characters, the only downside is this means I'll have to play the elf.

Speaking of keep upgrades, does anyone know how to get the statue of sigmar in your keep?

>>14521865

The elf just gets a hobo shack in the courtyard.

>>14521883

collectors edition

>>14521865

At level 10*

Tested it out and it's exactly at level 10.

>>14516973

It's also worth noting that Kruber apparently lost his comrades-in-arms to a necromancer. He might want one dead even harder than Salty.

>>14522054

If he lost his comrades to elves would he want the elf dead? That's not really a "kill the elf" joke so much as pointing out a somewhat realistic scenario. The idea that humans and elves have been known to fight and kill each other isn't by itself a good enough reason to prevent them from working together when necessary, nor is having had a personal stake in one of those past conflicts. But obviously a necromancer is a different situation, right?

Holy shit Kruber's longbow sucks so much ass.

>Takes a few seconds to zoom in, can't move during that, and firing a shot instantly dezooms so you have to do it again

>On top of that it's not precise enough for reliable headshots unless you take the ranged spread reducing talent

It's good enough damage to just hip fire but holy shit, the rifle outclasses it bad.

>>14522551

Bounty Hunter's his best class, makes his gun game extremely powerful. With just his weapons he's meant to be a precision melee/stormvermin disposal kind of guy, rapier and falchion do good headshot damage and falchion/axe penetrate armor. He's not bad at crowd clearing either, falchion has also great cleave.

>>14522551

He tends to be better at stunning boss grabs and dealing with heavy elites.

>>14522887

True, I haven't got the hang of zealot at all. I'm also disappointed his best class has him hiding his face. I kept thinking he was Kruber when I was starting out.

>>14522960

Well cosmetics aren't implemented yet so there is that to look foreward to, not to mention mods.

I just got Kruber to 25, whats your guys opinion on the best talent at the end of the mercenary talent tree. Right now I'm using the one that lets me revive teammates but I find it too situational.

>Veteran rat boss

>In dire straits for the entire last stretch

>AI director spawns absolutely zero drops before the boss, no health, no ammo, nothing

Why is this shit even programmed to be possible?

>>14523381

while i appreciate their dedication to keeping each mission as fresh and random as possible so you dont get bored, yeah, no drops for extended periods really sucks, i havent even gotten past vet yet and im seeing some serious shortages at times, maybe when my net gets upgraded ill perform better with less lag

>>14523704

Dry spells are fine, but dry spells AND zero drops before a boss is absolutely unacceptable.

How is the lootbox element? See some bitching about them but it doesn't look like you can buy them.

>>14523905

Absolutely zero real money purchase. It's just an ingame mechanic giving you random stuff after a victory that you can scrap and reforge.

>>14523905

Is just a rewards that progress with the character level, difficulty settings and collectibles in the map. And you can break down items to improve or re-roll item characteristics.

Is the general, high quality loot comes from high level of playing.

No need to pay anything to get or open the chest cant believe shit is so bad nowadays that such advise is needed

>>14524274

Hope it to happen, but gotta follow the rurs

and that ratfuckers and elfs to not come in

>>14524274

MPL if that you?

>>14524291

Way less than 1% per box. I've leveled all 5 characters to 30, so that's over 150 commendation boxes and probably in the nature of 500-800 regular boxes. I've found ONE character cosmetic.

>>14524403

There are people who have poopsocked this game since launch and still don't have a cosmetic.

>>14524403

I also don't believe I've encountered anybody else wearing one that isn't a promotional item (elf furry costume and dwarf with the fake viking horned helm). People always ask me about the elf hat when I'm playing her, so it seems like most of them haven't encountered one either.

>>14524291

How do I fire the pistol on the rapier pistol combo? I've never been able to figure that out.

>>14524800

check something along the lines of "weapon ability" in keybinds. for me it defaulted to one of the side-buttons my mouse has

>>14524812

Not bad it mapped to a button I didn't even have.

>>14524853

>Not having a mouse with side buttons

Yeah it's your own damn fault at this point.

200 hours, nearly all maps cleared on legendary and still no red or cosmetic. Atleast in the last game if you got a perfect roll on finishing cata you were guaranteed a red

>>14524869

My side buttons are already bound to shortcuts for other shit.

Not my fault the game thinks I'm not already using them.

>>14524997

I just bound it to the mousewheel button. I also rebound targeting to Q since fuck reaching that far just to target shit. I always use the number keys to swap weapons anyways.

I've been using mace/shield kruber to some success and got my hands on a mace with no shield, is this a solid choice? I don't go down a lot but I'm trying to make myself more useful more consistently. I wanna go back to saltz but I'm trying to unlock footsoldier because that sounds fun

>>14525700

Just rare. I got my hat on 1.01