/v/ - Video Games

Wait so did Doom 4 get mod support? or did Doom mods get better

Ah I see, so basically they're gonna be collecting spec data in order to get rid of shit.

It's anonymous, just like here. What's the fucking problem?

You can play all the old games you want they said

Games that came out pre-2000 are untouchable they said

>>14493144

you know, most companies know better than to try to force things like this. If you opt out and get left out you only have yourself to blame. Do they even realize who their audience is ? most doom fans are from a time when piracy and choice were valued, they arent just gonna eat this up like a cod player might.

>>14493219

I think brootaldoom made these niggers forget that.

>>14493144

What's the fucking purpose? I have a working build of G/ZDoom from a couple of years back, what would I win by updating to a newer version?

>>14493226

Basically Graf being a two-sided retard.

He's trying to be the new Carmack and he's not even a 10th of him.

>>14493212

It's impressively tone deaf.

Man you people are all batshit insane lmao

>>14493144

its just some data, nothing wrong here

>>14493343

Is it really batshit insane to find it strange that support is being removed for older hardware in a source port for a game that's over two decades old? Half of the appeal of retro games is that they run on toasters, so when a major source port starts leaving toasters behind you bet your ass that people are gonna ask questions.

>>14493518

Because someone is giving him some money, obviously.

>the graf community

>>14493144

OP you massive faggot, why did you write

ZDOOM

when this crap only affects GZDoom which noone but normalfags even use?

>>14493381

Because there are faggots that run Doom games on GZDoom, since good old software renderer ain't fancy enough, can't play fucking Doom without shaders and dynamic lighting.

>>14493567

There are people that don't turn off anti-aliasing and blur effects?

>>14493568

That shit is all over Youtube so I assume every single normalfag has these enabled. But that's only part of the problem. Another significant issue is 32 bit color, it just sucks all the character from graphics. Extremely high resolution doesn't helps either. Finally, it uses perspective-correct viewport rotation, which makes sprites look like absolute fucking shit unless your view is dead centered on horizon. That's not to mention, GZDoom lags behind ZDoom by like what, 3 years worth of development and features? If you want a modern Doom engine you just use ZDoom, if you want old-school shit there's Boom, Chocolate and a whole lot of others.

what the fuck is GZDoom

>>14493582

Also it sucks that Zandronum cannot be married to ZDoom. It's clearly inferior in pretty much every aspect but it has multiplayer support.

>>14493144

>but it cannot be opted out

>can only be disabled by rewriting and recompiling the source or by .ini hacks

Or just blocking it on Window's firewall.

Unless you want to play online

>>14493588

It's a gay ass fork of ZDoom that uses OpenGL for rendering, for whatever retarded reason.

>>14493607

It also has up-to-date mod support.

>>14493540

because zdoom is no longer being updated, meaning modders will eventually start using gzdoom exclusive features. gzdoom has effectively replaced zdoom.

in a better world, this wouldn't be a problem since gzdoom does have a software renderer

but sadly gzdoom also has graf zahl

>>14493612

On account of modders targeting GZDoom and not much more advanced ZDoom.

>>14493623

Nigger, GZDoom still has like half a decade to go to catch up with ZDoom. And it's exclusive features are OpenGL bullshit that no one should fucking use in a Doom engine game.

>>14493624

GZDoom is more advanced though. It has Doomscript for instance. If you ask me though, the ZDoom-family of source ports are all fucking shit. Eternity and 3DGE will and are better, respectively.

>>14493630

> GZDoom still has like half a decade to go to catch up with ZDoom.

Examples of what it's more advanced at and why?

>>14493630

I'd believe it, but I still want proof. gzdoom was only ever a few months behind from what I knew.

But that doesn't really matter. zdoom is dead, gzdoom is not. Modders will use gzdoom, so it's only a matter of time until compatibility breaks.

>>14493682

Agreed, sadly.

>>14493144

The obvious answer is that this should be opt-in rather than default. Steam for example has the hardware survey that you can choose not to do.

>>14493381

Vulkan is faster, what more do you need? It also gives AMD cards and edge over Nvidia, since it was originally built off AMD Mantle, so now you won't get shitposts about muh OpenGL performance.

Daily reminder: kill devs such as those.

Another one: never pay for video games. Get them for free.

>>14493777

So why are we using this website again?

So you can opt out by

a. Recompiling using a flag to disable networking

b. Using sandboxing protection like firejail

c. Using a sandboxed VM

d. Using a firewall

It's somewhat shitty on their part to not make this opt-in but considering that 99% of their users are on an OS that has telemetry built in and have no real interest in maintaining their privacy it's to be expected.

Those that actually care about it shouldn't be bothered at all as such a 'feature' would work on their system anyways.

Instead of being bitches about it why don't you get /tech/ to do some sort of bot to spam the results with fakes, his system seems ghetto as fuck so it shouldn't be that hard for someone competent and he doesn't seem like the kind of dev competent enough to mitigate that sort of attack.

>>14493144

This feels like the sort of reasoning you would see from an enduser that just got told Vulkan is the new API that is better than the old and thinks it's gonna fix everything,

The telemetry is bullshit too, Dolphin has proven that if you do opt-in it works just fine, even citra with all their shitheaded devs that think they can do no wrong still has an opt-out option (granted it sends a lot of shit before you can even disable it but still it won't send multiple reports on future crashes)

>>14493548

Graf Doom dynamic lighting is still pretty shit, Graf is too incompetent to fix the bleeding issue this graphic had for ages and still does. The poorly done shadow maps is not fixing this issue at all even at 1024 "resolution". So instead of fixing bugs his damned Vulkan is more important.

>>14493348

No it shouldn't have them.

>>14493144

>Devs for a game, ran by poorfags using toasters, decide to install spyware just to see if it wants to drop dated hardware

>Spergout on both sides

wew lad

which specific version has it?

>>14494300

It's not yet implemented as far as I can tell.

>>14494277

The worst part is that GZDoom has stopped supporting toasters for a long time now. It requires GL4.x with compatibility only down to GL2.1 and nothing else. You can't even run the software mode without using OGL mode because the sourceport itself detects if you can't run the current OGL version and immediatly errors out.

Don't have a moderately dated graphics card that can run Crysis handy? On integrated graphics or with an old laptop? Sucks to be you.

It's the pinnacle of idiocy to lock down a game meant to run on 386 IBM clones to only work on modern hardware.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=59787&start=75#p1044723

>I smell some "how dare you to unsupport my long obsolete system" kind of user. I have to admit I haven't fully checked his system specs yesterday but nearly everything on it is somehow on the chopping block.

Sounds like he's already doxxing people. Either way he sounds like a dick.

>>14493567

Is this 320x200 stretched up to fit 2560x1440? Why would you torture yourself with this?

>>14494306

Adding "+vid_renderer 0" in command prompt forces it to use software mode, "+set vid_renderer 0" also writes it into config for now. Not like average user knows that.

>>14494314

But anon, how else will big brother know what's best for you?

>>14494995

Mods with a shitton of effects like this.

>>14494981

>Fucking why?

Because it's the hot new meme in open source project, telemetry to 'improve" the program.

To be perfectly fair it can to a certain extent help by telling you what cause the most issues or what your userbase tends to use so you know what kind of hardware you should support first, but fuck the way it's presented here.

>>14495035

>Its like Mario All Stars sending your info back to Nintendo. (Pretty sure Grimtendo is wanting to do that)

Cheevos are already that, you get most user info you would want just from those.

>>14495035

>whats with that Bioshock mind powers bullshit?

You use magic and guns.

>>14495052

>system generated text graphics

Does that mean regular fonts you'd use in say, Microsoft Word? An interesting idea that would save some time, but would probably feel very off next to the pixel graphics of a lot of Doom.

>>14493144

Guess it's time to stop using GZDoom. ZDoom's apparently no-longer in active development though? I use PrBoom+ for vanilla shit but besides that what has good mod support and isn't being developed by huge faggots?

>graf retard adds telemetry

>literally everyone even on the forums pretty much calls him a retard

>he still won't back down

just kill the faggot already

>>14495108

I deleted my post since it was the wrong video, this is the video I was trying to remember:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3OY0hDt5Sw

why hasn't anyone forked it without the telemetry bullshit?

Is it not open source? Its not like he can do anything about forks.

>>14493930

>AppchanX

I'd kill for an AppchanX equivalent for 8chan. From what I remember though, it's kill even for 4chan.

>>14495167

gzdoom has been forked a few times in the past over graf's bullshit, none of them have lasted.

>>14495194

It's clear that Graf is some sort of unholy construction fueled by the hate his retarded opinions bring.

>>14493144

>it's harmless and it's nothing special. Trust me, we won't use your info in a bad way

>but we're going to be adamant about implementing it and not give people the option to opt out at the very least

>wooww why do people get upset?

What a hill to die on. Absolutely retarded.

>>14493144

Interesting timing.

Before last week i was using GZDoom v2 but decided to try new wads out of boredom.

Of ocurse most of them require new version

So I got v325 and all it does is crashes and crashes videocard drivers (it would be BSOD in XP but win7 can restart them). In other words I

Funny Witcher/Crysis 3 works fine on my PC at 60 fps but it's seems to be obsolete for GZDoom.

Thankfully we got vavoom, zandornum and others.

>>14493144

How about fixing the FUCKING audio? Ever since they went to OpenAL the audio has been broken as fuck. Chris the fucking retarded who REEEEEEEEED to Randy to add his code for 8 FUCKING years doesn't even fix the bugs that crop up.

>"use our latest version only" - Rachael

Fix it first, you cunt. I'm still using the version right before OpenAL because it's broken out the ass even to this day. Fucking tranny.

Also I always force OpenGL to version 2 on startup because it's faster than the OpenGL 3 bullshit Graf added.

GZDoom is a fucking train wreck right now. Considering just adopting ZDoom LE since it at least fucking works.

>>14495328

How do you force OGL2 on startup? I never bothered with it but with this horseshit my retard tolerance threshold has been completely fucking destroyed.

Also thanks for bringing ZDLE to my attention.

>>14493144 (checked)

>the upgrade to OpenGL 4.x should've happened ages ago

The last OpenGL was brought up in the Doom thread I pointed out how OpenGL is deprecated and that if some other project has moved on to Vulkan you should use that. One anon actually tried to use mental gymnastics to claim that OpenGL isn't deprecated because it is actually in maintenance mode and gets some minor updates from Vulkan when it can.

Telemetry is classic jewjitsu and you can fuck it quit easily by adding the domains to a null IP in your HOSTS, and/or blocking that domain/IP in your router, and or running a software firewall and straight up blocking gzdoom binary executable (though that will probably break multiplayer).

>>14495383

>gzdoom

>multiplayer

didn't the fuck outright refuse zandro devs offering to help make multiplayer actualy work in gz?

>>14495211

I have had the same problem. New mods give errors on old versions of GZD, new versions of GZD will load the mods but constantly crash. It's fucked. I haven't played Doom in a while, I was hoping this shit would get fixed in the near future but it looks like things are only going to get worse.

>>14495366

Use this command line switch: -glversion 2

I easily get a 25% FPS boost doing this, even on modern hardware it runs faster.

>>14495389

Many times. When Zandro was still Skulltag both Torr and Carnevil both offered, but Graf went on a huge tirade about how shitty the Skulltag netcode is, which is funny since Graf doesn't know the first fucking thing about Netcode.

After GZDoom became well known thanks to Carn and Torr's efforts, Graf (in his own words I can't find) thanked them by saying he planed to "throw a monkey wrench in to the plans of other source port developers". He also made mention about he thinks he found a legal loophole with Ken Silvermen's code, said something along the lines of "The polite thing would be to ask him, but I won't ;)".

Graf is an asshole and deserves every negative comment he gets hurled at him. Graf I know you read this know since your little butt buddy Kinsie is posting about it, please castrate yourself and never have children.

>>14495457

What a fucking faggot holy shit.

I guess now is the time to grab legacy versions of Z/GZdoom. Maybe zandro or some other, better fork will completely replace gz one day too.

>using zdoom

>>14495389

>didn't the fuck outright refuse zandro devs offering to help make multiplayer actualy work in gz?

I bailed on that fucking drama vortex years ago so I'm not sure. I was the Doomgod in the last thread that was working on finding LMP archives of the original Doomgods. Managed to find an archive of my demos, but now I'm trying to figure out which WADs were used to play (it's super obvious you're missing a .WAD when you try to play a demo heh). I've finally got a few of mine from ~1996 figured out, and will work on some editing and upload them to Youtube or Twitch.

Anyway in that last thread we discussed multiplayer, and how I've never played any of the source ports online. So I started digging and it appears Zandronum is still the apex online Doom server. Due to the fact it has additional features we didn't have in the dial-up glory days I started looking into Chocolate Doom server. Now, they both appear to be relatively easy to setup, but I think they have some huge difference. Like Zandronum supporting mouse-look and jumping for starters. It's also possible Zandronum "fixed" some of the bugs that we used as strategy, like strafe / wall running, MAP01 plasma grab, and SFX cancels. Whereas Chocolate aims to keep it as close to the base experience as possible. That also means Chocolate only supports 4 players per server instance (original limitation).

I have also been toying with the idea of trying to get actual vanilla Doom2.exe working online through DOSBox. It has quite a few different ways to accomplish this: IPX tunneling through UDP, modem emulation, or a 3rd party VPN / IPX solution (like Kali or Hamachi).

I just don't have the time to test for a few weeks. Also going the more vanilla route without using some match-making / lobby system might suck. I'm just not sure I want to dive into fake Doom2 and risk becoming an embarrassed Doomgod…

"Disconnect me. I can be reworked, but I'll never be top-of-the-line again… I'd rather be nothing." –Bishop

>>14495467

These are just a few of the stories I can remember off the top of my head. There's been other developers that just simply stopped working on anything ZDoom related because Graf constantly has temper tantrums. There was another guy who was fixing the OGL code, but every time he did, or tried to tell Graf the underlying issues, he threw a tantrum.

>>14495467

Have you taken the PrBoom+ pill yet?

>>14495489

It's nice, but sometimes I want to play fancy mods too.

>>14495489

Great port, excellent GL support, even has some extra features like Jump if you need it for certain maps. But like >>14495499 said, I do want some fancy mods. I'd be okay if there was a way to add new weapons, monsters, and powerups. Those can really make a mod more interesting if done right, but alas most mods don't.

"There is no telemetry. Telemetry means to examine the user's behavior and report that to the server. This only sends a simple hardware query with 3 points of information. It also sends this only once per user per version." -graf

I'm sure we could throw this faggot under a bus by testing this. I can easily setup a VM and run gzdoom multiple times while logging net traffic. Also if this is true it would mean there's a setting somewhere in a file (registry or .ini) that you could flip a value to 1; in theory that would make gzdoom think it already phoned home.

I'm assuming it's a lie, though.

>>14495467

Forgot to mention. The only reason Graf is doing this is because this is the only reason Graf has any power on the source port. If someone else took over OGL, Graf would have a smaller voice in the goings on with the code. His only reason for being there is the OpenGL renderer. He can't do audio code. He consults on ZScript, but does not do anything with it really. Features added by other people throws him into a fit of rage (When SBarinfo came out, he threatened to remove it at one point, but couldn't because Randy had the final say).

Someone told me, someone tried to fix the OGL code, and when they did, Graf blew his top and tried to delete the GZDoom source. Can't seem to find anything on that, maybe someone else knows about this one?

>>14495482

>It's also possible Zandronum "fixed" some of the bugs that we used as strategy, like strafe / wall running, MAP01 plasma grab, and SFX cancels.

There are compatflags to emulate vanilla behavior to some extent.

>>14493144

>NEW ZDOOM COMES WITH TELEMETRY

for what purpose

>>14495571

>MMMMM, CUM IN MY MOUTH GRAF! - Kinsie 2018

>>14495082

The worst thing about that Tim Willits bit is that he worked at ID while those games were being made, which means he either didn't pay attention way back in the 90's or he's completely forgotten major things.

>>14495571

>>14495584

>caring about forum drama

>even knowing who that is

>>14495487

For those of you who want to read more about this, Doomworld had a thread full of this drama, think it was in 2010 where Graf has a huge melt down and everyone jumps down his throat and calls him out on his bad code.

>>14495634

That's the one! Let me archive that and post the links.

>>14495634

>>14495634

>>14495629

First 6 pages, archive stopped working suddenly:

Page 1: https://archive.fo/kLglX

Page 2: https://archive.fo/fToCU

Page 3: https://archive.is/wextA

Page 4: https://archive.fo/EzPy8

Page 5: https://archive.fo/9Jb6j

Page 6: https://archive.fo/4c9Yu

>>14495651

additional pages:

Page 7: https://archive.fo/lctdW

Page 8: https://archive.fo/3BHPM

>>14495677

This is what happens when mentally ill people use their code/program as a platform to push their agenda, since it gives them power over people. I see why the GPL is important now, so this kind of shit can't happen.

>>14495108

Holy shit, this is good. Archived for posterity: http://archive.li/2oNym

>WALL OF TEXT REEEEE

Doomworld, not even once.

>>14495719

Load up TrumpDoom + HDoom, Trump really triggers Graf.

>>14495711

Same. I just work with what I have now. You can still do a lot with what the older engines provide.

>>14495756

>Elaborate please.

Everytime Trump is brought up in a topic, Graf can't help resist going on about how terrible Trump is and how Graf would do it better. In other words, Graf thinks he could be president, much like how he thinks he can code OGL.

Thread is now Locked

Drama aside, wich flavor of doom do you guys like? balls to the wall metal doom or eerie creepy atmospheric doom? i really like the second one

Wait, did they delete Page 7 and 8 of the thread?

>>14495824

I like both.

>>14495833

It's split to the Hall of Unpleasentness because it was hurting Graf's feelings. Also Rach made a statement:

>I see the 4chan hyperbole machine is in full gear.

>Remember kids: Just because you read it on 4chan does not mean it's true.

Except it is true and there's posts on other forums to back it up. Are you running for propaganda minister Rachael?

>>14495824

Both go hand in hand, depends what you want to achieve.

>>14494980

The problem is that, even if you do that, you can't run GZDoom because the sourceport itself still drums up the OGL error despite not using the renderer at the moment.

>>14495851

>Hall of Unpleasentness

Is this specifically made to shame people?… Also, I see that MoM Anon was also posting in there too. What a cluster fuck.

>>14495732

See my previous post here >>14495535

. It's probably a lie and still phones home. Because why add a feature you want users to not be capable of opting out, and the leaving a config option for them to opt out?

>>14495824

I actually think the music style of the first 3 games were appropriate. 1 and 2 were mostly metal with very few ambient tracks, but 64 was mostly ambient with a few industrial/metal tracks.

>>14495890

It's the best forum, it the forum where all the posts worth reading are. Shame people? Half the time it makes the staff look like dumbfucks.

>>14495883

>Graf's code is so invasive that software requires OGL.

Right, and Carnevil's netcode was invasive Graf? Or Blzut's Code? Or any of the code offered to GZdoom over the past decade?

>>14495907

I still don't trust Rachael. She's shadey as fuck. Where did she even come from? She went inactive for a few years, and then out of no where, comes back, becomes buddy buddy with Randy, and then takes over the site a year or two later. Fucking shady.

>>14495915

>She

>>14495917

I'm not sure if it's a man or woman, they're definitely emotional as fuck like a woman, but then again, so are most "men" these days.

>>14495823

https://archive.fo/lXO5w

>In light of the recent troll I'd just like to make one statement about legacy support, in the hopes that people get an understanding.

>Pointing out facts from my post history is trolling!

>>14493856

GNU/Linux distro maintainers will probably strip out the botnet.

>>14495457

>>14495487

>>14495565

So why hasn't this faggot been ousted yet and why is every modder using his fucking ZDoom fork? How can we end the age of Zahl?

>>14495883

Weird, I've just tested it with some of the old devbuilds, 2 of them crash on startup in GL mode but starting GZDoom with line "gzdoom.exe -iwad doom2.wad +vid_renderer 0" bypasses that and starts the game with software renderer.

>>14495962

>graf is a soyboy cuck

what a fucking surprise

>>14495934

Isn't it confirmed to be pre-man?

>>14495956

Fork the code so Graf has no control over it, and find someone willing to code a better GL renderer than Graf. Failing that switch to ZDoom LE.

Someone needs to help Dr. Frag get his own forum too without the likes of Rachael or WildWeasel, maybe even a bug forum feature similar to the one on ZDoom. Github is okay, but it takes quite a bit to file a bug.

>>14495997

I don't know. I know Randy was, I know CSonicgo was, I know Essel was, but never heard anything about Rachael (yet).

>>14495956

>why hasn't this faggot been ousted yet

He has exiled everybody who opposed him.

>why is every modder using his fucking ZDoom fork

There are no other forks with ACS and DECORATE support.

>How can we end the age of Zahl?

Make our own fork.

>>14496015

Serious Question; if 8chan anon can make a TF2 Fork, why can't we make a GZDoom fork?… Just take what Graf has done, and modify it to be not shit.

>>14496033

We can, we just need someone who's skilled enough to do so.

>>14496033

are we gonna call it zdoom vintage?

>>14496039

How about "ZDoom Classic"?

>>14496039

How aboout VDoom?

>>14496043

Doom, where the two oo are the mobius strip.

>>14496033

>modify it to be not shit

You can't make gold out of shit.

>>14496043

>>14496049

I like it.

>>14495962

How do we fix the soyboy problem? It's a society-wide problem that needs to be addressed.

>>14496195

Every society in the past that has had these problems almost always burns to the ground and everyone who isn't a soy-byproduct builds a new society without these people. I'd imagine the same goes for many online communities as well as they're sort of they're own mini-societies.

>>14496083

I forgot to ask, why did he do this in the first place?

>>14496195

We don't fix it. It fixes itself when the Chinese dump their US holdings, and the dollar craters. Starvation, rolling brownouts, and massive social unrest will usher in a dictatorship, or a huge balkanization and a collection of petty despotisms. This kills the soyboy.

>>14496213

>>14496083

Because Graf is a lazy faggot who only wants to implement The Latest And Bestest Technology™ instead of making things that are actually useful, so he wants some graphs saying people with older machines don't play Doom enough so he can drop support for them.

>>14496195

Literally by doing nothing but resisting this disease. These fucks destroy everything they touch, it's only matter of time as >>14496210 said. Weak men -> bad times -> strong men -> good times -> weak men.

>>14496213

To justify dropping the support for pre-2010 hardware.

>>14496043

>>14496049

vDoom

v8Doom

D∞m

v8D∞m

just testing

>>14496215

The best way to survive the eventual fall is to start learning skills such as farming, get your own land, and learn how people used to live in the early 1900s. Pretty much anything boy scouts used to teach before the soy infection would do you good too.

>>14496299

We have already been over this

>>14495489

>>14495499

>>14495510

>>14495571

>>14496311

Fuck, I'm so not used to reading threads.

>>14496299

>>14496311

I mean we could add some basic things like Decorate to PRBoom, but the code would need to be cleaned up and refactored. We might be better off using a port that has PRBoom compatibility like the Eternity Engine.

>>14496282

i got dibs on "D8M" because it's simple

>>14496282

DoomForRetards

>>14496322

ZDoom already has boom and prboom compatibility. Could be wrong though, considering how different each port handles actor behaviour.

>>14495971

I never tried the Commandline solution with +vid_renderer 0 because it says nothing in the wiki that forcing the change in renderer through editing the .ini and forcing the setting change through CMD would actually trow different results. I'll try that and phone in later if it works.

>>14496282

Voom

Vroom vroom

O ye, can someone post the absolute latest version of SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM? I keep losing it. Was the latest v7 or v8?

Also, I'm making an archive of all the mods, maps and sourceports I have, as well as some tools. Maybe I'll make a mega out of it, so people can grab whatever they want from my small collection (compared to some people).

>>14496393

I'm thinking since it's gotta be a fork of z/gz, maybe name it VZDoom?

>>14496400

8ZDoom then.

>>14496403

But VZDoom is much easier to pronounce.

>>14496360

>it says nothing in the wiki that forcing the change in renderer through editing the .ini and forcing the setting change through CMD would actually trow different results

This says a lot about Grafs inability/unwillingness to properly document the work. He has thrown literal shitfits when people have resorted to reading source code, and then implemented features based on actual source code because "muh undocumented features aren't supported".

From reading his shit for years he always struck me as:

-the type of person that enjoyed "playing legos" because he understood the blocks fit together a specific way and you could build buildings

-the type of person that said you were playing legos wrong if you either didn't build the same exact building or something not a building

-the type of person that got mad if you built several smaller things first, and then built those into one larger thing

-the type of person that hated lego mindstorm because "legos should only build buildings"

Basically if reality doesn't confirm to his subjective version it pisses him off. In that state he has been known to lash out by ranting, threaten (or blatantly imply he already has) to sabotage other source ports, and delete the fucking project.

>>14496400

>>14496403

>>14496414

z8Doom

zD∞m

gzD∞m

zV∞m

gzV∞m

>>14496421

Dude, stop. That infinity symol looks really crappy. Keep it ASCII-only.

>>14496403

I much prefer >>14496372

>>14496429

Yeah, this site's official name is infinitechan but it's always written as 8chan because ∞chan looks awkward. Just call it D8M or something.

>>14496435

That sounds like a retarded dungeons and dragons edition though.

>>14496436

Sounds a lot better than z8Doom, which sounds like a gene mutation.

>>14496444

You better delete this post before you realized what a fool you are.

>>14496444

It's not though,it's ì

>>14496447

>>14496451

you probably can't even triforce either you dumbfags

>>14496444

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>>14496459

No,but i can call you a dümbass.

>>14496299

>>14496322

There's a big problem with this idea.

See, Zdoom's "dirty secret" is that it's actually more of a Hexen port than a Doom port. With this i mean that some fairly fundamental stuff such as collision detection functions far more like Hexen than vanilla Doom. I'll reckon that pretty much all Zdoom-specific mods rely on these "Hexen-ish" mechanics to some degree.

So, no. You can't just bolt on Zdoom features onto Prboom.

>>14496467

You're the nigger with some non-standard keyboard. Maybe turn your num-lock toggle on, I don't know and I don't care other than you are wrong.

>>14496459

>>14496465

>only Triforce

Here on 8chan we have Infinite Force.

♾

♾ ♾

>>14496476

>uses Windows

>calls other “niggers”

>>14496476

It's pretty standard,i think you're just trying to save face.

>>14496486

>uses linux on a PC probably too stupid to build their own router and manage their own firewall, vpn, and vlan (or doesn't even have any)

>pretends to be a gamer to shitpost on /v/

>>14496493

i'm sorry, anon. i'm afraid your condition is: retarded. it could be fatal, but there is a chance you too can learn how to type "alt + 236" ∞

>>14496500

I'm fucking typing that you giant poophead

>>14496523

By naming it vDoom (as in "/v/'s Doom") you're associating yourself with 4chan.

>>14496528

MotorDoom, because it's V8

>>14496282

The absolute last thing you should do is attach the 8ch logo to it

That would just cause a newfag influx and make this board even more of a joke than it already is

>>14496523

>>14496528

>>14496532

infiniDoom

infiniD

infiniVoom

∞Voom

>>14496540

>alienating (((the Doom community))) is bad

>>14496542

infiniDoom is fine too.

>>14496542

I'm down for infinidoom

>>14493144

Isn't GZDoom, like, free and open source? What stops people from just looking what the code does and removing it?

>>14496596

Nothing. The only problem that might arise is that no-one will use your fork.

Also, just in case these milquetoasts decide to force the changes by removing the old versions, we should mirror the ZDoom web site.

>>14496421

>This says a lot about Grafs inability/unwillingness to properly document the work.

Oh right I forgot about this. Yeah there were a few modders that used features as they thought they worked and as they appeared on the wiki. Graf decides one day that that a bunch of these things are "hacks" and these functions were never intended to work this way.

I think it was DoomRPG that got this treatment from Graf.

>Basically if reality doesn't confirm to his subjective version it pisses him off. In that state he has been known to lash out by ranting, threaten (or blatantly imply he already has) to sabotage other source ports, and delete the fucking project.

I remember when people asked for SBarInfo and he said no because he didn't like the idea of custom statusbars. Once Randy approved Blzut3's code he found every reason to try and yank it out, but never did.

>want to download qzdoom

>can't because i got banned for calling graf a retard

can someone throw qzdoom here? I'm not going back to that shithole

>>14496634

Give me a moment.

>>14496634

Actually it's on their github

32-Bit: https://github.com/raa-eruanna/qzdoom/releases/download/q2.0.0/QZDoom-q2.0.0-x32.7z

64-Bit: https://github.com/raa-eruanna/qzdoom/releases/download/q2.0.0/QZDoom-q2.0.0-x64.7z

>>14496627

>I think it was DoomRPG that got this treatment from Graf.

I like DoomRPG. I should get back into it, last time I played I got it at the recommendation of an anon here about it along with the DoomRP weapon pack/thing I believe.

>>14496671

Not RP, RL, I'm retarded.

This will probably be their death knell if the backlash portrayed in those images is accurate. People have moved on from source ports many, many times in the past. I mean fuck, I remember when I used to use the Doom Legacy engine with it's "super cool" launcher. Just because ZDoom was good for a longer period of time doesn't mean it was going to last forever.

>>14496694

Yeah, they're fucked. This is moot during GamerGate levels of spilling spaghetti and blowing your own foot off with a super shotgun.

>>14496694

It's a fucking joke. These faggots are constantly closing threads and deleting posts when people are arguing "too intensely".

>>14496421

>>14496360

>>14495971

Yeah, forcing through CMD actually works and lets you play GZDoom and derivates when your system doesn't support OpenGL, thus letting you play modern mods. It's still infuriating that it defaults to OGL and blocks you with a gay error telling you to (((get new hardware))) that supports new OGL instead of telling you to use Software mode or something less infuriating. That and combing through the .ini to find vid_renderer 1 and changing it to 0 and still being unable to launch the goddamn port is incredibly retarded.

>>14496627

I recall something about that, he straight up made a LOT of old mods incompatible with GZDoom because of his stupid changes, further fragmenting the userbase into keeping as many old versions that work with specific mods and others that don't or people flocking into old forks such as Zandronum. There was also something about DoomScript's first implementation with it messing up with cvarinfo and DECORATE that broke mods like Zen Dynamics, which i think was also fixed due to community backlash.

>>14496694

What is this image? Is that a bottle of wine?

>>14496795

FFXIV, moogle getting drunk

>>14496794

>he straight up made a LOT of old mods incompatible with GZDoom because of his stupid changes

If I remember right he did worse than that. I think he might have threatened a specific .WAD maker to stop telling people to use a specific older version of GZDoom (that still worked with the .WAD). He bullied him for sure until one or more of the trannies actually interrupted.

>>14496694

A forum is a goddamn joke when a thread supposed to discuss a (((feature))) is filled with coloured special snowflake moderator posts and users are banned, deleted and shunned with no end for complaining about making it optional in the first place. It all reeks of SJWism and goon tactics, which wouldn't surprise me at this point considering that some of those figures are confirmed trannies.

It's all just a cascade/slipperyslope effect, it's been going downhill since Randy left ZDoom thus giving full reign to Graf to seize control and fuck over everyone who wants to mod for Doom.

>>14496816

It looked like a dragon gargoyle.

>>14496833

Trannies? we got trannies making doom wads now?

>>14496958

Good morning. We have trannies in every popular modding community now. Doom, TF2, Skyrim. I can only hope that Quake and HL will stay low enough to not attract degenerates.

>>14496958

Rachael, the supposed "ZDoom webmaster" is a (s)he.

>>14496978

It's easy to spot a transhuman. They always talk about private things in public. Like complaining about having to shave often. If you'll see a WAD with Doom Guy complaining about hair in his armpits growing too fast, this WAD was most likely made by a tranny.

>>14496990

>Male

>Female

>Retard

>>14496987

I pray you've made that up

>>14496990

I use "other" on zandronum because it has better taunts in GvH. The cyborg instead of spouting boring lines becomes a nyo ho ho machine, and the marine becomes a spess marine.

>>14496966 (checked)

>I can only hope that Quake

So the nice thing about Quake was that the mods are done in quakeC. So there is somewhat of an abstraction layer between source ports and mods. One nice thing would be if someone had a copy of registered Qizmo and reversed it so quakeworld servers could run a legit version. I'm not sure you can even buy a Qizmo registration key anymore.

>>14495108

>>14495082

I love it how people shit on nudoom as if it were the worst doom game and Doom 3 never existed. They conveniently forget how much faster and detatched nudoom was from the contemporary garbage the industry shits out and had a better singleplayer than anything in the past 5 years.

Fuck, I've seen people PRAISE doom 3 just because the new one exists. Like how hypocritical can you get.

>>14496994

>I pray you've made that up

https://twitter.com/Iiboharz/status/972614890652340224

Unrelated to this shitfest, how's ZScript?

I might get down to some modding later and I've heard that they've added a new more low-level scripting language. Is it better than that clusterfuck DECORATE or worse? The Doom community desperately needs a more standardized approach for this kind of stuff.

>>14497047

Doom 4 is fun but it is no where near as good as classic Doom. It just doesn't swarms of foes like the old games.

>>14497058

There was a couple areas with nice amounts of baddies,but it was definitely a limitation of the engine that they had to spawn in certain waves because it couldn't handle past a certain amount.

>>14497034

People who hate Doom 4 have hard time expressing why. They just "feel it" and assume that if you have a "good enough taste" you should understand this "feeling" too. But in reality what they mean is that Doom 4 stands against everything that orignal Doom stood for.

>>14497081

>>14497058

But someone already posted a link to why the new Doom game is bad.

>>14495108

>>14497058

>>14497047

>>14497081

The original Doom will never be topped by a new Doom, and that's fine. The problem is that people call anything that isn't a carbon copy of it bad. If it looks and plays exactly like the original, it's a shitty copy that does nothing new; if it does anything different, it's a shitty cash grab.

It's like calling your pet dog shit for not being born a wolf. What the fuck is it supposed to do about that?

>>14497047

It's not a bad game (for a modern game at least, which is surprising considering who made it) but it is a bad Doom game. The same could be said of Doom 3, although I'd say 4 is a bit better.

>>14497047

>Doom 4

Just play Serious Sam what in god's name are you doing

>>14497105

More like Painkiller.

>>14497098

>It's like calling your pet dog shit for not being born a wolf.

It's more akin to calling your new dog a dumb fuck because compared to your old dog he's a dumb fuck.

>>14497105

I would if there was a new one.

>>14497052

To me, it looks like ZScript might be a bit of a train wreck in it's current state. I'd personally just stay away from it because I just know Graf will render everything unusable somehow. I think GZDoom 2.4.0 supports it, so you can still use the last version before Graf and crew broke everything after Randy quit.

>>14496901

> it's been going downhill since Randy left ZDoom thus giving full reign to Graf to seize control and fuck over everyone who wants to mod for Doom.

I bet if anything Graf is the reason why Randy left. The other reason being Rachael pressuring Randy to enjoy the rest of his life as a tranny.

The hairy german faggot really did it this time, holy fuck. We really need a new, decent sourceport that has nothing to do G/ZDoom.

>>14497034

One thing Doom 3 has going for it is an open engine that allows modding or to create entirely new games with it while nudoom is a forgettable shooter designed for the console that destroys this legacy.

It might be a slightly more enjoyable as an action oriented FPS with much better art design than Doom 3 but isn't as deserving as the name of Doom for far more important reasons.

>>14497368

I would say the Eternity Engine, but the author himself is a whines that women won't have sex with him.

>>14497388

>One thing Doom 3 has going for it is an open engine that allows modding or to create entirely new games with it

While destroying the franchise's legacy by being a fucking closet monster shooter that's slow as molasses; something nudoom isn't. Modability is a lesser positive in comparison to gameplay.

>>14497368

h-how do you know he's hairy?

how much is known about him anyway, is his dox out there? maybe he could be lolcow'd into ragequitting for good.

>>14497047

It's alright. It's not god-awful by any means, but from what I've played it just didn't quite match the original. My biggest gripe is that the music is inexcusable industrial garbage. You could have made a catchy, head-bangin' metal soundtrack, a more modern version of the baller soundtrack from the original, and instead we get mostly Call of Duty garbage.

>>14497568

There was like 2 tracks that were good,bfg division and rip and tear,the rest were forgettable

>>14497581

Those tracks were bad too. The entire soundtrack was shit.

>>14497611

Well hey,opinions.

>>14496544

Screw the Doom community, he's saying that you would just be advertising 8chan. Do you want even more normalfags posting here?

>>14497098

>if it does anything different, it's a shitty cash grab.

My problem with Doom4 is that while it does try something different it does few things well. And also the overuse of shitty arenas. Why the hell is good level design so hard to find in the post-current year era?

>>14497694

That said Doom 4 is a damn fine game when compared to everything else being released

>damning with faint praise

Yeah but I felt that I had to say it.

>>14497694

>Why the hell is good level design so hard to find in the post-current year era?

Because modern engines cannot support any levels which aren't gated arenas with at most half a dozen enemies at a time.

So if some anon were to say, re-invent this wheel, what are the bare minimum requirements that actually make GZDoom?

Is it literally just Doom/Doom2 source + custom rendering pipeline + ACS/DECORATE?

>>14495915

>Hall of Unpleasentness

Don't even mention the shitshow that was lilith.pk3

>>14497708

Mod compatibility is probably the most important one. Some wads nowadays can't run on anything but Gzdoom

>>14497692

>this logo

>okay to use

>>14497715

>Mod compatibility is probably the most important one. Some wads nowadays can't run on anything but Gzdoom

Yeah that's why I was asking for some specifics. Is "main" compatibility simply a measure of ACS/DECORATE support?

>>14497694

>also the overuse of arenas

Do you hate the level design in FEAR as well?

>>14497692

Yes.

Well actually maybe, the community's basically garbage since every single server is either

<COMPLEX DOOM SURVIVAL 1 LIFE UV 95% KILLS TO EXIT

<Megaman roleplay hotel (disguised as """deathmatch""")

or

<Random shitty mods ripping off Goldsrc or Source mods such as Whodunit (TTTclone) or GVH clones with terrible classes made by spics and BRs

The only saving grace is that sometimes Duel servers are populated but that's a rarity. You will never see an actual populated doom deathmatch server with something like Dwango5 or AFTSDM.

Or a vanilla coop server for that matter, it's always some mod like Complex doom, MW2 or Invasion mods like Shotgun Frenzy, and they always have asinine settings such 1 life survival where you can't respawn after being instakilled by the first legendary railgun zombie that happens to look at you once you start playing.

>>14497707

>Because modern engines cannot support any levels which aren't gated arenas with at most half a dozen enemies at a time.

I suspect this isn't true at all. What I think is that programmers are wasting polygons. The problem today is that spoiled brat fags have internet access to whine about "muh graphics". I'm 100% confident anything post-idTech 3 era could make drastic sacrifices in poly counts combined with better texture art to produce the games with high actor counts that we want.

It would be nice if some developer realized that a game should be optimized for actor count not graphical fidelity (especially polygons). Good texture modelers have proven to be able to compensate for fewer vertices. Very few games even give you the freedom and option to lower mesh count, and of those that do I felt like they should be more flexible in the configuration. I would be curious to see some experiment like the 100,000 revenants even in something like Quake 1.

>>14493144

>The purpose of this is to allow us to make informed decisions about hardware deprecation - i.e. if it is time to move on from OpenGL 2.x, whether to drop support for 32-bit processors, how viable a Vulkan engine will be at this point, etc. This is to avoid blindly making decisions about deprecating hardware or making assumptions about it without knowing how many people it will actually affect.

Fuck you faggots, those are all horrible considerations. Jump into a ceiling fan.

>>14497877

Yeah, this is something I've thought for the last 10 years pretty much. Instead of focusing on more and more grafix I wish developers would push things like better AI, destructible environments and higher frame rates. Instead all they are chasing is mythical bullshot visuals to be finally made real. It's a sad state of affairs. Everything gameplay related is playing second fiddle to graphical fidelity.

>>14497877

>What I think is that programmers are wasting polygons

Doom4 reduces model and texture detail a few meters ahead of you and hides it by blurring the image.

Modern engines are doing everything they can to keep their shitty framerates up to the point where something like nuDoom pops up people praise it for being optimized despite it doing nothing noteworthy and running like shit in spite of it.

>>14497960

No, it wouldnt excuse the shitty base game and engine limits.

Would just let it be salvaged by the community, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 in a way.

>>14497997

Doesn't salvaged imply fixing to a good degree though?

>>14497960

It's still fairly fucked on a technical level. Shitty monster limits and shit. If there was a mod to turn off the health pinata shit it would be a start but it's just flawed in nature. It was born wrong.

>>14498004

"Salvage" just means to prevent the destruction of. It doesn't even need to still be in working order, it just needs to not be completely fucking broken. For instance, one term for a scrapyard is a "salvage yard." The cars in there are certainly not working, and most are missing several key parts or are damaged to the point that repairing them is pointless. But they have not, for instance, been crushed into a metal cube with a bunch of other random bits of throwaway.

In other words, there's no element of "fixing" at all to something that is salvaged, it's merely something that has, to some degree, been kept from destruction.

>>14497984

>reduces model and texture detail a few meters ahead of you and hides it by blurring the image

yeah i was just reading about what little there is on kikepedia about idTech 6.

>John Carmack said the next engine by id Software would be looking towards a direction where ray tracing and classic raster graphics would be mixed.[3] The engine would work by raycasting the geometry represented by voxels (instead of triangles) stored in an octree.[4] Carmack claimed that this format would also be a more efficient way to store the 2D data as well as the 3D geometry data, because of not having packing and bordering issues.[3] The goal of the engine would be to virtualize geometry the same way that id Tech 5 virtualized textures.[5][6] This would be a change from past engines which for the most part use mesh-based systems. However, he also explained during QuakeCon 08, that the hardware that would be capable of id Tech 6 did not yet exist at the time.

>Following Carmack's departure from id Software, Tiago Sousa, who had worked as the lead R&D graphics engineer of several versions of the CryEngine at Crytek, was hired to lead development of the rendering.[17][18] Bethesda's Pete Hines has commented that while id Tech 6 reuses code written by Carmack, most of the decisions made about the engine's direction were taken after he left.

So sounds like id Tech 6 didn't get the virtual geometry. It's also debatable weather that hardware Carmack was talking about exists yet.

>>14498133

*whether

>>14497984

every modern game engine can leverage LODs (level of detail) techniques these days.

>>14496395

>>14446126

>>14497033

Soyboy detected

>>14496395

>some tools

does anyone know of if there is such thing as an LMP analyzer? vanilla doom2 LMPs don't contain the .WAD name and last thread we found a bunch of oldschool dial-up deathmatch recordings. most are on vanilla MAP01, DWANGO5, or the MANCERX series but some we just have no clue.

is there a faster way to convert old LMPs to AVI besides DOSBox native record? if so i would actually just up a couple servers to speed record a specific LMP running through many wads and then manually inspect them for a matchup… but holy shit what a job that would be

>>14497822

><Megaman roleplay hotel (disguised as """deathmatch""")

Don't even get me started, fuck the 8BDM community so fucking hard.

They will literally bully and slander any sort of competition. If you're not in their inner circlejerk and you're making a megaman mod or whatever they will fucking rip you apart.

So if there ever is an 8chan build of an OpenGL Zdoom, what features should be prioritized? To me the perfect gl doom sourceport would have to have:

>zandronum-tier online

>high performance and framerate on the oldest OpenGL as possible for all the features GZDoom offers (just for playing the NUTS.wads without the computer shitting up)

>full support for ACS, DECORATE, and ZScript, as well as other scripting languages

>more interesting and functional features than what GZDoom has to offer

>>14498906

The trifecta of most important features would be

1) Support for the fancy decorate/acs/zscript shit

2) Performance that isn't dogshit/legacy support (OGL3 and up slow shit down anyway)

3) Actual working multiplayer

In that order

>>14498906

I'd emphasize scripting so that the most mods are compatible with it.

This is what happens when somebody gets too invested in one game/scene for too long. GZ an incompetent, sociopathic, lying and narcissistic cunt.

>>14495962

>"I just want to be a decent goddamn human being"

>Implying that saying "goddamn" makes anyone believe you

>>14498915

>>14498919

>>14498924

So… If the goal here is to replace GZDoom with something better yet backward compatible; I think the first thing someone needs to start that project is a spreadsheet of specifically Doom/Doom2 mods listing which tech/features and/or scripting are required. At this point I have no idea if GZDoom is just a glob of Doom+Doom2+Heretic+Hexen+Strife shit glued together by tranny jizz with scripting and OpenGL or what.

If the theoretical infiniD engine ends up capable of running other id Tech games+mods than Doom/Doom2's it would be a happy happenstance.

>>14495824

That track is good.

It reminds me of Unreal.

>>14499103

>I don't want to bother forging statistics that fit my ideas on the fly, I just want to do it once in a few weeks

Lazy to the very end, isn't he?

>>14497822

>megaman roleplay hotel

what the fuck is that?

>>14498906

So it's Zandronum with OpenGL 2.x? Seems fine.

>>14499039

>I think the first thing someone needs to start that project is a spreadsheet of specifically Doom/Doom2 mods listing which tech/features and/or scripting are required

What do you mean by tech/features? Like "Uses MAPINFO", "Uses ACS", "UDMF", "DECORATE 2.3.0+"?

>At this point I have no idea if GZDoom is just a glob of Doom+Doom2+Heretic+Hexen+Strife shit glued together by tranny jizz with scripting and OpenGL or what.

It's basically that plus support for at least 4 different archive formats, 3 completely different map formats, 4 languages for modifying game behaviour, over 20 special lumps for everything else and god-knows-how-many image and sound formats.

>>14499223

The best option would be to take Zandronum, and fix the OpenGL 2/3 issues, then get ACS/Decorate support to a 2.8.x level since that's were both were depercated by ZScript.

ZScript is still young, it would be best to wait a year or two to see how it pans out yet and if it's even worth trying to add yet another clusterfuck langauge on top of the preexisting special lumps.

>>14498906

As far as I know, NUTS.wad will never be playable with ZScript supported, there's too much overhead in the ZScript VM. You might be able to do it with just Decorate.

The biggest thing though is someone needs to fix/redo the GL renderer and take that away from Graf.

>>14499195

The epitome of autism.

>>14499365

>there's too much overhead in the ZScript VM

Isn't it supposed to be lower level and faster than DECORATE?

>someone needs to fix/redo the GL renderer

I thought that OpenGL 2 is still supported and is actually faster than OGL 3.

>>14499223

>What do you mean by tech/features? Like "Uses MAPINFO", "Uses ACS", "UDMF", "DECORATE 2.3.0+"?

Yes and which actual source engine Doom, Doom2, Heretic, Hexen, Strife. Apparently GZDoom has something from all of them? If that is true it might help to know.

>>14499365

>As far as I know, NUTS.wad will never be playable with ZScript supported, there's too much overhead in the ZScript VM. You might be able to do it with just Decorate.

Is GZDoom using requestAnimationFrame()?

>>14498906

CRT shaders like in retroarch

>>14500122

>CRT shaders like in retroarch

Just make that fork a libretro core, you'll get all the filters that come with it for free, you also already have a PRBoom port as well as tyrquake.

>>14498906

Depends but I think the easiest if you want it to gain some traction is to prioritize performance and compatibility so getting a GL2/3.3 sorted out and optimized at first is the idea.

Probably then looking into the sound handling since the guy that manages that curretnly comes once in every blue moon and never cleans up afterwards.

After that you can make the hard but fun features like a proper Vulkan renderer geared purely towards performance (AMD will never have a proper MTed driver for OGL but you can at-least fix that by going vulkan but it's not easy)

Probably also some performance stuff you could do in how it handles all the scripting for mods but then you get into making something like luaJIT for xray engine and I don't think that's easy, might get a few pointer by asking people in the emulation, community, they tend to have experience when it comes to recompilers.

why even bother with OpenGL, at best its a stepping stone to Vulkan,

and if you can already do Vulkan, do Vulkan

>>14500606

You wouldn't happen to know what shader/preset that is?

>>>/vg/27332

This is the same server that I've seen in this thread right? Do I just connect the same way?

>>14500689

Yeah, I've only ever seen one other player on it though.

>>14500702

I was first on it during the gamenight way back but yeh I've never seen as many people on as then since.

>>14499778

>doom 4 is easier because of that freeze time glory kill that regens health

Actually no. At higher difficulties, the demons actively hunt you down like niggers after KFC, to the point where if you stop for more than one second, you're guaranteed to be hit. Glory kills give you negligible amounts of HP and doing it over and over won't save you, especially since they give less HP than the enemies take away from you, and even while performing them, you have no invincibility frames, making them an actual risk for a meager reward to keep you alive. The quick pause you're given when doing a glory kill is a blessing because it gives you a second to catch a breathe and look where you have to run off to next in the middle of a fight, especially in tight areas where you fight a lot of demons, which, despite not being a billion like in the originals, are enough to keep the pressure on you at all times. 12 dudes running after you from multiple directions in a small arena is some tense shit.

I'm not kidding, I wish the game didn't break whenever I tried to record gameplay so I could show it through webms.

>>14499417

There's a few minor issues with OpenGL 2, but otherwise it's perfect and is the fastest renderer currently. OpenGL 3 would be nice, but it's super slow and broken out the ass. Graf wants to get rid of OpenGL 2 which would probably mean that Zandronum would eventually follow suit.

I don't know if ZScript is lower level than Decorate, but I have read posts about mods that have slowed to a crawl because of the overhead.

>>14499522

I'm not sure if it is.

>>14501146

tbh OpenGL 3.0 should be thrown out then if it offers no meaningful advance over OGL 2.0, but knowing Graf he won't do that like a nigger faggot he is.

>>14501139

>the demons actively hunt you down like niggers after KFC,

OOGA BOOGA WERE DA SPESS MUHREEN AT?

>>14501139

>Actually no.

Akshewuhlee… you're a fucking pleb if you think any game that gives you iframes is difficult. Glory kills give you iframes.

>>14501182

No it fucking doesn't you goddamn troglodyte. Did you even play the fucking game? Of course you didn't.

>>14501188

>Dealing enough damage to an enemy may cause them to 'stagger' which is indicated by a blue highlight. When the player comes into close range, indicated in an orange highlight, the Doom Slayer can perform a special melee action which kills the enemy instantly in a spectacularly brutal fashion. While performing this kill, the player is invulnerable

>While performing this kill, the player is invulnerable.

>the player is invulnerable.

>invulnerable.

Do you even know what that means?

>>14501188

>A short period of invulnerability is invoked during the beginning of most glory kills, but this does not last through the entire animation and recovery in most cases, making the execution of glory kills a matter of careful timing when in the heat of battle.

>A short period of invulnerability is invoked during the beginning of most glory kills

>invulnerability is invoked

>invulnerability

>>14501246

>>14501234

False information. I played it myself from beginning to end on Nightmare and saw a few cases where I was killed while performing a glory kill. This happens in the (terrible outsourced) multiplayer too.

To all the people having a hissy-fit about the "telemetry" you're forgetting that it's an open source program (for real, unlike Zandronum or ZDoom which are mired in proprietary shit like FMOD) and you can see exactly what it's reporting. This sort of stat is helpful to determine what the game is actually being run on and whether a feature is actually worth keeping around, see also Dolphin when they dropped x86 support.

Having said that I'm not at all happy if he's gonna discontinue OpenGL 2.1 since I am actually on a toaster, especially not for a game like Doom.

>>14495948

I expect they'd be more likely to add a warning than anything else. Debian has Popcon for instance.

>>14496608

>mirror the ZDoom website

What? git clone the sources and you're golden.

>>14499223

>>14499365

Zandronum without FMOD thanks. That dependency is cancer and limits portability.

>>14501310

>Zandronum without FMOD thanks. That dependency is cancer and limits portability.

I agree, but the OpenAL code is still very broken. I say have both, but make FMOD opt-in. Remove FMOD only when the OpenAL code in ZDoom isn't as broken as Graf's OpenGL code. Chris is just as shitty as Graf is, only his craft is shitty Audio code.

Just to make it clear, OpenAL isn't the issue, other ports use it without any problems. The issue is Chris's implementation is terrible.

>>14501562

What audio issues you're speaking of because I've never noticed any. Video ones, absolutely. I'm the anon with that ridiculous "holey" sprite/model issue.

>>14501650

Geforce Garry?

>>14501650

5 FPS Fritz?

>>14501310

>Oy vey goys, why are you complaining about this totally not invasive or shady and completly harmless specs and IP gathering feature that we don't need and are using as an excuse to ax support for Software mode, x32 processors and older OLG cards.

>That is enabled by default

>Doesn't tell the user what it's doing but AFTER it's done sending the data because (((reasons)))

>And doesn't allow you to opt out, unless you read forum drama and realize you have to comb through an .ini to disable it.

>By the way we are banning anyone that dissents, anyone who does is a nasty troll anyways.

It's more about the attitude and the possible implications of what they truly want with the data rather than what they are saying it's for. They already said they have an (((informed opinion))) on the subject and that they are just doing this as "extra" and every post replying to people who want it toggled off is given the same kind of argument a Microsoft Executive would give you if you told him that you'd never use Windows 10 because it is an invasive and datamining piece of shit.

>>14501650

Autistic Arnold?

>>14501650

Garbage GL Goering

>>14501788 (checked)

>>14501650

Virulent Vulkan Vilhelm

>>14501789

Optimized Orwell

>>14501650

Telemetry Tomas

>>14501780

It should at least notify that it's happening and provide and opt-out, yeah. That's about all. In terms of the collection it is nothing, and you can prove it. It's much more complicated with proprietary software and we know that Microsoft is prone to shady behaviour and collecting infinitely more than this. Graf is simply an incompetent.

Certainly I understand skepticism of any data collection given abusers like Google and Microsoft but there occasionally are good reasons for it. Anonymously determining demand for a particular feature or program is one. As I said, Debian also has popcon (which does the right thing by being opt-in on installation).

>>14501650

Slowdown Shekelberg

>>14501869

The difference is that Graf just looking for any shit reason to justify dropping support for win xp/vista/7 or "the biggest menace" linux slash ganoo

"Look! Only 15% of the users are using those archaic/unpopular systems! Better make sure to prevent GZDoom from launching on such inferior systems!"

Also apply same to non-ogl 4.0 cards/all intel integrated gpus.

>>14501606

There's issues with OPL, there's issues with other anons not getting audio at all, there's issue with various headsets (Which Chris has ignored for 8+ months now, but has the time to shit post in Off-Topic, but can ever be bothered to make any comment), OGG looping was broken, maybe it still is, I don't know because I can't be assed to re-download the latest, and all the other issues that Chris has let pile up and hasn't bothered to comment on. The staff knows, and if they don't know, it's because they've ignored it for so long the reports are either now useless, or no one will bother replying due to the 8+ wait times for a simple fucking acknowledgement.

Randy may have been a trans faggot, but at least his code worked.

>>14501650

The Groof. Groofy. Angry Autistic Fuck (The Donald duck lyrics fit him to a T).

>>14501887

Here's hoping the toaster% is large enough to convince him to change his mind (assuming he doesn't just doctor the results). Dolphin actually did find very few x86 users, and most of them were incorrectly using it on x86-64. I'm baffled though, GZDoom used to use FMOD as well and now it's gutted to GPL, why would he even remove cross-compatibility?

In any case, there's always the nuclear option that exists with any FOSS program: Fork. Which I'm totally for if people want to because I am not totally happy with it in its current state but it's where the action is.

>>14501895

OPL sounds a bit different to Chocolate Doom but it seems to work. The only audio-related issue I've hit is with Fluidsynth music and that was because it was a dev build when they were actively changing it.

>>14501919

Implying anything can convince him, he doesn't even have to disclose the data since it goes to his private server, if he feels like he can give out to the community faked percentage numbers to justify doing whatever the fuck he wants.

>>14501929

You can always hope for someone who is disgruntled to leak the real undoctored results. When Rachael is involved that always seems to happen.

>>14501650

7 FPS Schlomo

>>14501650

Rodney "500GB of OpenGL code review" Reynold

Christoph "Lead bad OpenGL coder" Oelckers

Christoph "please d'nate to my Vulkan GPU funds" Oelckers

>>14502081

>>14502120

"You have a computer that can run two instances of Crysis at once? Too bad, your computer is too old for GZDoom now!"

"I wanted to work on Vulkan renderer and remove this outdated OpenGL altogether but I have to postpone it for a few months, cannot afford Vulkan capable graphic card right now due to financial shortcomings"

Christopher "I've Got 20 Years Experience in the Programing Industry" Oelckers

>>14501970

I think you mean Seven Slides a Second Shlomo

>>14502292

GZDoom: Powerpoint Edition

and what are the wads that are exclusive to gzdoom 3.2x and above?

>>14503027

I want to say High Noon Drifter since it uses a lot of Zscript, but that doesn't sound right.

>>14503027

If you mean wads like megawads and levels, then I don't know since GZDoom specific megawads are a rarity. However, a lot of mods and TCs nowadays use GZDoom, whether they are a newly released mod or being updated to have support for zscript.

>>14493381

Relax, Vulkan is better than OpenGL in every way.

>>14503146

The problem is that he's locking the engine to ONLY use OGL4.0 and vulkan, with absolutely no support for older hardware or backwards compatibility.

>>14503407

Muh mods also the engine doesn't REQUIRE these memes, he's just forcing them in to alienate the community even more.

>>14500709

Hey, maybe that's about to change given recent events.

>>14507612

The doom "community" has a habit of imploding because of fags every once in a while.

Time to go replay Community is falling 3 to remind myself of that

>>14507713

>Community is falling 3

Thanks for reminding me.

>>14507612

Where could one find a person capable of doing the coding Graf is doing but not shitty and who's also interested in Doom? Aren't there enough disgruntled people who also can code to form a team that makes a better fork? I know this would only end in more drama down the road but what about a crowd funded project. I just want a port that doesn't crash all the time and plays all muh mods. It would also be nice to have people developing who aren't openly hostile to content creators for petty, personal or just downright autistic reasons. Graf is such a fucking sperg.

>>14493144

Doesn't it take literally 0 effort to maintain the game with the current compatibility?

>>14511076

This is Graf we are talking about.

>>14511076

Only if you aren't retarded and don't want to force Vulkan into an 1993 game.

>>14511473

>>14511483

MUH PROGRESS

I fucking hate zdoom forums so much tbh