/v/ - Video Games

>>14455819

in the arena, actually

though they've just finally started announcing things, including some pricing model details.

>>14455802

>Newell also stated that opening packs and building your deck will be "a social and competitive experience".

THE UNBOXING COMMUNITY

They actually just talked about how Windblows 10 and Cuckulus made them invest more on creating counterparts to those so they wouldn't lock down their platform than to actually make games.

They're also saying they're making games including a traditional singleplayer one besides the 3 VR games they're making.

It's a lie and even if it isn't they'll be shit

http://archive.is/fmMDC

>>14455883

Ricochet 2

>>14455892

It's based on the hastily written lore of Dota, building a cohesive world out of random paragraph blurbs on hero profiles is in and of itself a majority of challenge.

>>14455864

>>14455892

>Maybe they realized it was a mistake and quietly dropped it.

Yeah, right. Try that all the worthwhile talent that built the company left and all that remains are incompetent hacks incapable of releasing anything original. They don't even balance dota 2. All they do is come up with money syphoning schemes like compendiums and skin markets. They couldn't even keep the modding scene alive.

They are completely unable to create anything new. Look at the fucking steambox. It had 1 major goal. Make a PC that can circumvent the overpriced gaming rigs and get console players too intimidated to build a PC to get on Steam. And what did they fucking do? They put it in the hands of the retards who made the overpriced gaming rigs in the first place. This is probably the steambox all over again. They'll drop it out of the sky one day with 0 marketing and everyone will forget about it.

>>14455969

was Mark Laidlaw a weeb?

>>14455991

>do multiculturalism right

>>>/oven/

>>14455998

Sands of Time demonstrates you can represent non-european cultures well. Just not in the current year.

>>14455981

I mean, he was a professor at a university but it's actually mathematics one of the least pozzed disciplines. He's also married with two children. He doesn't have a twitter or anything so if he is a liberal he doesn't talk about it.

>>14455927

no one wants ricochet 2?

>>14455802

>>14455840

>>14455894

>>14455927

>>14456022

>implying that theyre not lazy to point of abandoning the projects

>it's a serious esport goy!

>>14456059

Funnily enough, in this timeline, without being released, its more of an Esport than Halo is.

>>14456103

it is sad how valve has ruined what was once an enjoyable game and have left it to slowly bleed to death.

>>14456056

He created the game but he's barely involved in it nowadays, he doesn't even work for Wizards of the Coast anymore, why are you blaming him for the things that other people added to his game?

>>14456119

The game was always degenerating, but the comeback gold made it straight up unplayable.

>>14456192

That's not what multiculturalism means anon, by definition, multiculturalism is having multiple cultures and ethnicities in the same area. Cultures being separated into distinct different countries and not allowed to intermix is the opposite.

>>14456213

>melting pot

The term was coined by this guy btw.

>>14456162

Can't tell if you are joking but that is a different Mark Laidlaw. The one you are thinking of goes by slowbeef, a semi-notable goon who drank the lefty koolaid. Also he actually finished the translation and its supposed to be good. Him on the right

>>14456367

he created a play and called it melting pot, it was used in the 1700's and its original name was the melting-together.

>>14456150

>comeback gold

What is this about? I only ever played the WCIII mod. What killed Dota 2?

>>14456400

>Jew makes propoganda

>The pictorial representation of the ideal people are supposed to swallow is all the masses of the world being swallowed into a heavy iron cauldron and boiling alive

Quite hebrew

>>14456160

nope,he got it right the first time

>>14455917

>>14456405

Way more gold present in the game. Faggy design choices. China appeal. Hero's getting faggot reworks. New abilities have cancerous LoL design(spell does x and c when y after z time while you have to do a backflip in real life)

>everybody thought it was going to be HL3

>it was a fucking DotA card game

>>14457419

Comeback gold has actually been nerfed recently, when it was first implemented you got the "support patch" where one wrong teamfight and you can instantly start losing, they've instead elected now to reduce that slightly and just increase the gold everywhere overall.

>>14456207

^

I want skeleton king back, and I want the active portion of mortal strike too. pic unrelated.

>>14457419

>Lotus orb is new linkens

False,Lotus orb requires to be activated first and is quite "out of the way" in regards to item buildup(health+mana regen->mana->armour).It reflects but the effects still done,think of it like both of you getting reaper's scythed instead of it being nullified on your side.It also provides no real stats but straight armor and mana values,not being that worth it unless you already want raw mana pool or armour(so it's usually bought on tanks).It also needs to be activated(with a cooldown,though a short one) last I checked and is visible when used.

Think of it like a target spell version of Blademail more than anything.It's less of a safety net and measure against single target spells and more of a teamfight item while being useful against target spells.

>an item that increases your spell casting distance and damage

It's two items actually,Aether Lens that increases range(not by an insane lot but spells with insane range get even bigger which always helps) and Kaya which gives a straight,10% damage and spell cost reduction for 1950 gold(spell sange/yasha essentially(.

Technically speaking int does increases spell damage now but not by a noticable ammount unless your hero has massive int gains and gets massive int items.

>comeback gold

Was a major issue but was fixed mostly.Comeback is more likely instead outright expected anymore and rax are still really important and a major blow to the flow of the game.

I also miss old dotes sometimes but I dont really hate the new patches,it got some fun stuff and the crazier stuff like some of the level 25 talents are a nice addition(though RIP catapult armies)

Nigger if you're going to bitch atleast get your shit right.

>>14458640

>>14458637

OY VEY HEARTHSTONE IS POPULAR LETS MAKE DOTA HEARTHSTONE SO WE CAN GETS THE SHEKELS!

Ok; hit me up real good here who would win in a fight?

>Hearthstone; RNG: The Game, but has a fat playerbase because Blizzard is the only thing bar Gone Home tumblr can play

>Gwent; Relatively stratified; but recent introduction of increasing RNG such as Create and Arena is nosediving the game. Has a nasty streak of listening to Reddit whine over meaningless shit

>Artifact; Wildcard that could go any way. Last major game was 5 years ago so no president has so far been set apart from 'It's by Valve'

>>14458637

>>14458640

>>14458836

The better question is why would they think this is a good idea when the "card game" market is already flooded with established names?

First of all, we got Blizzard's Hearthstone which has the biggest fanbase which Valve can't even compete with. Then we've got gay ass Gwent which is much less popular but still a juggernaut in the industry. After that we have the stupid ass Elder Scrolls cardgame with an arguably bigger fanbase but it didn't sell very well and I'm quite certain it's on the way towards its deathbed.

Valve's gambling on people who play Dota 2 switching over to also/only playing Artifact, but they made the mistake of thinking that these two genres have overlap. They don't. Their only audience would be curious people who haven't played card games before and people who have played card games before. So in that case, they'd better hope the game is good as far as card game standards go. I wouldn't know, I think card games are the dumbest most one-sided bullshit where the one with the biggest coffers wins at the end of the day.

>>14458637

>>14458640

TEN PLAYER CARD GAME

>>14458882

>They don't.

I have seen plenty of streaming cancer that plays Hearthstone when they're not playing Dota, you're talking out of your ass. The pro-players might not but the streamers and their ilk do and that's where most of the money is.

>>14458904

Your obvious mistake is that your samples are streamers. In other words, retards who will play anything and everything if it meant getting more viewers/subscribers/followers, whatever.

Their "ilk" as you describe means nothing as well. It doesn't mean that every viewer of every streamer plays the same game that they do.

5/10 Apply yourself.

>>14458637

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVEN PLAY THIS WHEN YOU CAN JUST PLAY THE MAIN GAME ITSELF???????????????????????/

>>14459049

They don't necessarily have to buy or play the game. We're getting off-track here, anyway. The point is that the majority of MOBA players are loyal to whatever shitty MOBA they're playing and won't play anything else. Even if they did, it'd be another moba, not a game in a completely different genre.

>>14458836

>>14459060

Why would you play a card game instead of a MOBA? Sounds stupid? Ok, lemme rephrase.

Why would you play a RTS instead of a FPS?

Idk lol why would you ;)

>>14455802

I really do hope that this should be the tipping point where normalfags see that Valve is no better than the kikes at Jewbisoft and Hacktivision, between this and their insistence on E-sports bucks, its a clear-cut view of what Valve wants. They don’t care about quality anymore (exemplified by the release of Hunt down the Freeman) nor about videogames (see Epistle 3), its just about wringing Dota 2 and CS:GO for all their worth while its still popular (since Battle Royale games are gaining traction nowadays, their “”””””””IPs””””””” is no longer the cash-cow they were back in early 2012). Its all lke a fucking cycle really, we saw the decline and zombification of a once great Vidya developer and their greatest cash-cow is at the first steps of decline. I hope the normalfags would just jump ship from CS:GO entirely though, i despise them but i hate Valve even more, so thank god there’s competition these days

>>14458640

>>14458637

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>14457419

comeback gold was implemented in 6.83 IIRC. The game went south several years ago. 7.00 was the final nail in the coffin. I don't play anymore, but I still watch some pro dota from time to time, It's still fun to watch, surprisingly.

>>14459224

What about a ten player TCG, though? 5v5 just pure madness.

>>14459223

Im hpoing that with dropping interest the game somehow improves its quality. I don't know why but I just feel like that would be proper. DOTA is one of those games that no matter what will always have some sort of loyal fanbase that will never abandon it even after 20 years.

>>14459394

I really enjoyed Faeria. Though I think it's pretty much dead.

>>14458637>>14458640

I do not like the fact that you HAVE to attack each turn. A base decision like that in other games can make a hge difference. What if you end up perpetually losing every battle without any way of stopping it. You just wasted 20 minutes at that point.

>>14461185

>I don't think that they have many of those. Valve is a pretty small company employee wise based on their worth.

You underestimate the power of cornering the market. Pretty much every major company in anything can get away with being extremely mediocre or straight up awful, simply because they cornered the market.

The majority of that money comes from Steam (something launched in 2003), and when they started doing sales (2009) it rocketed to meme status and every normalfag on PC has it. Even in the eyes of indie-developers, if you got a game on Steam you essentially made it. What does steam look like now? Well in 2014 the number of games released shot up significantly. It almost released as many games in one year that it did in it's entire lifetime. Rather than investigating this problem, Valve just ignored it. And then in 2015 the amount of games doubled again. And then it doubled-again in 2016, because Steam has been changed to let any dipshit dump their half-baked unity asset swap onto steam. Now steam is seen as a dumping ground to the point where even multiple normalfag youtubers make fun of it. Do you think Hunt Down the Freeman would have gotten an official steam release pre-2014?

And literally every other segment of Valve that grinds out money, does so, because they're essentially copying strategies from the past. Look at CS:GO or DotA 2. A sequal to a game made from a mod, and a game made from a mod. Something they've been doing since their inception. Except now they add the mann-conomy to every game, a strategy made in 2010.

Everything else has failed. Look at SteamOS. This could have broken their dependency on windows. It failed because they put the bare minimum in. Look at SteamBox. This could have been their way to siphon massive amounts of normalfag cancer to Steam and put them up their with the console developers. It failed. Look at pretty much anything they've tried to do that didn't involve copying strategies from +7 years ago. They all fail. If the current year Valve was in charge of releasing steam back in the 2000s, they would have failed.

>>14460600

>I can't admit I'm wrong so instead I'll call someone a LeL player instead.

The very least you could do when you're called out for being wrong is own up to it,faggot.Not deflect and accuse someone of being a bigger faggot than you are.

>>14464528

Theres no point arguing with dipshits like you. If you think taking linken sphere, swapping the stats (thus swapping the build order around), removing the passive aspect (Linkens sphere active came before Lotus), and making it reflect&purge instead of block suddenly is a brand new original item… what can I even say other than "No that's fucking retarded". The league comparison is fucking perfect. Because league has +100 heroes, but they're all rehashes or all do the same thing in a slightly different way to appeal to retards.

As stupid as that was, you somehow out-do yourself, and talk up Aether Lens and Kaya. As if taking 1 numbers item and turning it into 2 numbers item somehow makes it better. Like this is an MMO, RPG, league of legends, etc. And by the time you got to comeback gold I pretty much stopped reading your post, because I could already tell you where going to say something retarded like: "It was nerfed lol, it doesn't exist" despite the fact the gold they took out from comeback gold was spread across the game 10 different ways so players like you wouldn't notice. And I'll still occasionally watch a dota 2 stream when I want background noise, and it the topic will always come up on how dying on a streak = GG. Who do I believe? The player in the top 1% of the top 1% of players, or some random anon on here during a cuckchan invasion who thinks Lotus Orb is a totally original do not steal item.

>>14464646

>Lotus orb

It purges(basic one) upon cast when it is used,as in when activated and has and only works when there's a visual indicator,not as soon as it is available.It's slightly cheaper but doesnt provide raw stats which can be a lot worse for heroes who like raw stats which are much more versatile and oftentimes better.

>Aether lens and Kaya

You implied they were 1 item instead of 2,that was the correction.Getting both requires some investment that would better be put elsewhere unless you're a core nuker and you shit out big damage through spells(Veil is still better if the team also has magic damage) so 10% more is enough to count.

>"It was nerfed lol, it doesn't exist" despite the fact the gold they took out from comeback gold was spread across the game 10 different ways so players like you wouldn't notice.

You misunderstand,point was that it was fixed for the better rather than let to run ammock like you implied.What I mean was it wasnt the mess that was 6.83 and certainly shouldn't be expected if you're shitstomped hard enough.

> And I'll still occasionally watch a dota 2 stream when I want background noise, and it the topic will always come up on how dying on a streak = GG.

You're not really specifying for shit and expect to still argue seriously.

How many deaths is a "streak"?

2 deaths?

3 deaths?

4 deaths?

1 or 2 deaths or a teamwipe wont lose you the game,it will throw a wrench in you plans but maybe you shouldn't get outplayed like that since there are multiple ways around that if you're that far ahead for it to matter.Then again there's the fact that dying 20 times in a row is your fault,at certain point dying enough times in a row SHOULD lose you the game.

>Who do I believe? The player in the top 1% of the top 1% of players, or some random anon on here during a cuckchan invasion who thinks Lotus Orb is a totally original do not steal item.

I dont know where the fuck this is even comes from or not and I dont know why you expect me to respond to this with the utter lack of specification.

What pro?

Under what metric is lotus orb a better alternative to a Linkens when it has different effect and also a (admittedly small) manahog that requires some timing.I never said it was "original" but saying that it's a replacement for linkens is a lie and I have proof in the way that you never see that shit bought on weaver,QoP,Storm or Dusa instead of linkens.

You're fucking wrong,admit to it instead of making accusations of other being cuckchan to make your high horse a giraffe

>>14464893

I have autistic long hour in DOTA but I also have autistic long hours in TF2, Binding of Isaac, Terraria, Warcraft 3, New Vegas etc.

ASSFAGGOTS are just in a format that allows somebody to return after work, play two games, eat, wank and go to bed.

>>14464950

>It purges(basic one) upon cast when it is used,as in when activated and has and only works when there's a visual indicator,not as soon as it is available.It's slightly cheaper but doesnt provide raw stats which can be a lot worse for heroes who like raw stats which are much more versatile and oftentimes better.

Stopped reading right here. Like I said. It's a rehash: >>14464646

>you think taking linken sphere, swapping the stats (thus swapping the build order around), removing the passive aspect (Linkens sphere active came before Lotus), and making it reflect&purge instead of block suddenly is a brand new original item…

I'm transported back to a time when a group of league players told me their shitty game has micro because you can control an extra unit for 5 seconds. No point arguing with you dipshits.

>>14464950

>buying linkins on dusa

Lotus is way better if we are going there.

>>14465002

So you're unbeatable then,nothing can convince you and no one is intelligent enough to call you wrong.

Glad to know that you're a waste of time and that I wasted time trying to argue against one of such high intellect as yours.Any disagreement is the proof that one is retarded for obvious reasons.

Why even listen to your peers when the best peer is the one you always have,you.

>>14465021

Habit,nearly never play Dusa and never do well with her and most tards I get stuck with still fucking goes first item despite there being no single target spells of importance and buy treads without tread switching.

Point still is that I haven't seen weavers or Storms buying that shit so that claim of it being a better version it being a better Linkens still falls flat on it's ass.

>>14465002

>item that prevents exactly one spell every time the active is up and an item that you still eat all the spells but reflect all of them for the full duration are the same thing

>>14465074

>Point still is that I haven't seen weavers or Storms buying that shit so that claim of it being a better version of Linkens still falls flat on it's ass.

>>14465108

And why would you get Lotus on them instead of Linkin? Eh, its not like the point is to evade critical spells instead of tanking and returning as much as you can, right?

>>14465092

>The one other anon defending comeback gold is also defending the new series of item rehashes

I don't know if you guys are in denial because you can't break your addiction and would rather pretend everything’s fine or, like LoL players, are too short-sited to see the severe drop in quality.

itt ASSFAGGOTS assfaggots trying to defend their freetoplay autistfest. Take it to /vg/ retards.

>>14465131

>agree with anon that the nerf to comeback gold was spread to everywhere else even if it was nerfed

I guess you're defending it too, thanks for clarifying.

>>14465144

Dubs confirm anon is talking out of his ass

>>14465167

It's okay, keep projecting that addiction onto us, I'm sure you're not compensating for being so BTFO you can't even properly respond to arguments anymore.

>>14465167

For someone who isn't addicted you sure are spending a lot of time in a thread arguing about it.

Perhaps you're addicted to (you)s instead?

>>14465131

>says retarded shit

>gets called out for spouting actual lies

>"lol ur just addicted"

>>14465167

>>14465127

His point was that it was simply better than/interchangeable with(saying new linkens implies that) linkens.I said it was situational and if that was the case heroes that bought linkens would have bought that instead.

Basically his claim about power creep then bringing up lotus orb as an example was blatantly false,he kept deluding himself correct with no argument but I brought up the fact that it was worse in many cases to the point of linkens still being used and more of a teamfight item and essentially a spell effect blademail.

>>14465131

I said the comeback gold itself was nerfed where your claim was that it was the issue like it's still 6.83.It's not.

Then you exaggerate with another claim and nothing but ambiguous shit after ambiguous shit that either cannot be argued with due to scope.Yes you shouldn't lose a lead with the slightest mistake or incredibly easily,no you shouldnt be able to keep that lead despite dying multiple times with that lead despite said lead giving you an advantage.

>>14465167

>I dont have an argument but I do have a smug moral high-ground

Bet you're not a virgin unlike the rest of us nerds :^).

>>14465243

>missing my point

>>14459097

>I've played over 10,000 hours of Dota.

Is he bullshitting here? How does he run the company if he plays Dota all day every day?

>>14465298

Teamspeak room for company employees when he plays?

>Source on an Android

>Source on an iPad

>>14465335

nani the fuck

>>14465298

>Gabe

>running the company

He doesn't. He only shows up for the interviews and when something has pissed him the fuck off like Hatred getting removed from the store for no good reason. Otherwise he plays Doto and polishes his massive knife collection, or so the stories go anyway.

>>14465187

>>14458640

>>14458637

>tfw the fucking RuneScape card game was more engaging than this

>>14455802

>>valve will create another game in your lifetime

>implying that's a positive thing