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>>14406440

>gene engineer

Getting gene engineer and knockout feat (for captures) with the gene machine (from the quest) is likely the most important thing you can do early game [that isn't fucking obvious] as you not only improve your pets abilities but to get those free breakfasts (with stat potential gains) and free gifts (materials, armor) when your pets learn trade skills.

>>14406856

This also brings up one important thing, as you train certain skills, the pets will learn from you, and will learn it much faster than you since their potential is usually 400%.

>>14406908

Pets are so fucking fortunate that they only have to pay gold to raise their potential by a fuck ton, and end up becoming stronger than their masters in practically anything.

>>14407086

can't you tell her to shutup? (via interaction)

>>14407116

How strict are the restrictions on that quest? It can be anything you marry, right?

>>14407358

what is in the fountain ?

How do I update my game? When I try to restore my character it says invalid version.

>>14407488

if your running 1.75? it should [just] work. (old save files with newer versions should update as you try to load them the normal way, I went from 1.4 to 1.7 this way)

>>14407533

It's on 1.71

>>14407636 meant for >>14407395

>>14407591

well, assuming you didn't run it on a later version it is supposed to auto-update afaik.

>>14407636

you have a lot of comfy sprites in that bmp

Alright i got it fixed.

>>14407313

>"I was asked by Raphael of Port Kapul to bring my wife. What a moron. I must be a fucking moron."

This nigger will take ANYTHING, even an astral copy of himself. >myownclone.jpeg

>>14408346

It only makes it funnier, when you give him a horse.

Bonus positive karma for doing that makes it even better.

>>14408500

Because there are all dead/killed off <unique characters> by story plot or by you in boss battles.

Mainly to get their cards and figurines for museum.

>Preliminary patch notes for 1.76

>Introduced a damage-reducing combo system to curb the effectiveness of overwhelming enemies with an excess of hand slots. This will apply to both the player's side as well as enemies.

>The 50th [to 59th] hit received by a target before its next turn will be reduced by 20%, the 60th [to 79th] hit by 30%, the 80th [to 100th] by 40%, the 100th attack onwards by 50%, and on on. The 200th attack a target receives before its next turn will end up doing only 1 damage.

Ano you goddamn nigger.

>>14408738

How are people getting these many attacks that this method is required to solve it?

>>14408756

Have pets. Or have multiple hits per attack. Or cast slow on an enemy. Or use burst ammo. Or cast speed on yourself. Or any of the above plus time stop.

It’s pretty easy to run into this many attacks mid game and later without even being a twenty-handed freak of a mutant.

>>14408738

Ano really should cut it out with nerfing stuff.

>>14408738

Was it really that much of a problem when fighting things? This almost exclusively targets the player.

>>14406447

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, i converted one of the custom character sprites images to bitmap and put it in the place of the original one on the folder, yet the game crashes and gives me an error.

>>14409006

Speaking of nerfs, 1.76 also plans to casualize the Tower of Fire.

>>14409648

Casualize how? It's already easy as fuck to get enough fire resist to get through it no problem.

>>14408756

Because 20-handed asuras is a thing, but still, neutering speed based characters will hit everyone pretty hard, mostly rogues, gunners and even warriors with enough speed, you've got a shitload of ways of increasing speed

At least they didn't nerf blood stream.

>>14409667

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27988

>Having to equip every single member of your party with fire resist equip for that early-game mid-boss dungeon might be too difficult and time-consuming for beginners, so the ambient fire damage for the Tower of Fire has been reduced.

I thought the ambient damage only affected the PC, not pets?

>>14409710

The damage affects the PC, but the heat itself can destroy your pets' equipment, it just can't hurt them.

>>14409710

The ambient fire damage does effect pets too, I remember one of my pets taking damage in Dragon's volcano.

>>14409745

Isn’t Overdose mode already casul mode?

Why do we need a Casual+?

>>14409764

Not to mention, anyone who wanted an experience like that could just turn on wizard mode and give themselves Mewmewmew! and such.

>>14409764

Ano just must be tired of people savescumming to get whatever the fuck they want, which may as well just play wizard mode

>>14409802

>>14409928

I find it hard to draw the conclusion that another cheat-ish mode has anything to do directly with save-scum. If that was his purpose and he really wanted to be a cunt, he could secretly handle all kinds of stuff in a way that made save-scumming a lot more difficult and this has nothing to do with that.

>>14411717

Maybe it's a Games Journalist Mode. (Or an attempt at one, anyway. They'd probably still get killed by the tutorial putits.)

How come I do such low damage, even at the beginning? I feel as if im doing something wrong considering I miss all the time and my little girl partner desolates enemies with one hit.

>>14412748

>tourist

>joke class

>>14412772

>Class Feat

>[Insecurity] Higher loss of gold from thieves and thief events

>not a joke class

>>14412779

toursists have no maluses and theyve got travelling right from the start which is basically free XP for an accelerated start

any tips on getting the pet evolution items?

>>14412818

1. Don’t savescum.

2. Kill shit that is at least level 29.

>>14412743

try 2handed combat style easiest start

>>14412779

>tourist

>joke class

Just because it doesnt have a truckload of free benefits doesnt means its a bad class, you can get your little girl to maul shit for you and learn gunning and buy some gun on cyber dome and live from that.

Tourist is a heavy time-investing class, also since you have no high leveled skills it means easier growth which is even better since you have fucking traveling. Thats like saying pianist is bad

>>14412791

Also they have no useful combat skills and will die to putits even with those additional levels. You forgot about that.

If you wanted a true "balanced" class you could play archer instead.

>>14412872

ANY class could get your little girl to smash through shit. That doesn't make tourist not a joke class. And you don't need to explain all that shit to me, because I already experienced all of that.

>>14412888

If you knew then you wouldnt be calling it a joke class you dumbass

>>14412899

I am still calling the joke class a joke class. Fite me any time.

>>14412905

I bet you're one of those fags who savescum and has 3 40 armed asuras

>>14412908

>This bad class with no advantages over other classes is bad

>NO YOU'RE JUST A FILTHY CASUAL

Yeah Tourist sure is a great class with such a great innate feat that isn't punishing for new players at all. Everyone that doesn't roll Snail Tourist is a filthy savescummer unlike us true Elona players.

>>14412911

It was a joke, a shitty one, but still

Is it possible to play this game without fucking around with pets?

>>14412957

yes, absolutely, but fucking pets is the best part.

>>14412957

Yes. You can easily solo this game, well Act I at least.

>>14412958

Or as soybean to oni.

>>14412975

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sleep

>It's possible that while sleeping a "sleep sharing" event may trigger with any pet who has a sleep sheep in their inventory and has relationship status of "Fellow" or higher. The event may be ended prematurely by selecting "go to sleep without minding" or "expel". Otherwise, the other four options may be used to bring you and your pet closer to your "limit". Should your pet reach his/her limit first, or should you both reach your limit at the same time, you may find a "blood of <pet>" on the bed in the morning. (The Japanese word is 体液, which means body fluids, not specifically blood). Positive sleep sharing events will improve your relationship with your pet. Beginning with Elona+1.39, this event will only trigger if the pet possesses a "Sleep Sheep" item, is visible when going to sleep, and meets the relationship requirements (Fellow or higher). See the sleep sharing section below for details.

>>14412975

>You can fuck your pets?

Yes, It's just mini-game though.

>The wiki didn't mention that anywhere.

That's because it's here:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sleep

>>14412975

You can marry any pet with a high relationship. When you are tired you can "make genes" any other pet is still a "slave" and you can force them or something. I've only made a gene once to see what a newgame+ would look like if I did so.

>>14412975

I'm about to force a sex-change on my motorbike and marry it because we hit soul-mate relationship.

>>14413392

From my experience, the best way to get living weapons is to invest the shit out of the black market, and hope they sell them.

>>14413402

I feel like I've been slighted, I've never found a living weapon before

>>14409635

When exporting from GIMP to .bmp format you must check the "Compatibility Options -> Do not write color space information" box. If you do not, the program will crash on startup

>>14413411

You could always use alchemy to try to make your own. Stockpile materials for Equip Making, and then wait for a Lucky Day bonus.

>>14413425

This requires you to stockpile stardust though, which is always kinda tricky to get.

One way I usually get stardust is bringing scrolls of oracle with me in Party Time! quests and see if someone genned with their artifact and kill them.

>>14413411

I only found living bow.

When I grinded my firearm skill way too long.

>>14413414

I wished I knew that sooner.

>>14413425

>>14413443

I've actually got a good stockpile of stardust, I've found a lot of artifact copies so that's not a problem. I just need to find the materials for high hard materia

>>14413519

Put skills on pets that allow them to gather resources and raid dungeons during Fever.

Going to try out a new character, anyone have some nice builds/strats or anything like that they want to share?

>>14413826

Snail Pianist, the optimized starter build

>>14413826

Magic device character. Beeline to 30 alchemy for the “Dupli-cane” action that lets you use rods spending stamina instead of charges.

>>14412975

>not 'Squeeze'ing pets while standing on a bed

>>14413826

Lich Wizard

Yerles Gunner

Elea Warmage

>>14413837

This isn't even funny fag.

the slavemaster doesnt seem to have any slaves. i only have the option to sell him one of my companions. does time remedy this?

>>14413970

You have too many allies.

>>14413970

>>14413972

More specifically, you’re limited on the number of allies you can have by your Charisma, up to a hard cap.

>You may have two pets plus one more pet for every five charisma points you have starting from 10 charisma, up to 15 pets.

>>14413972

>>14413984

thanks for the speedy help buds

>>14414217

Doesn't that thing also randomly pull Meteor out of its ass?

>>14415164

Even with that massive fire resist I have, that still did quite alot of damage to me. I had full MP before this happened.

And it nearly killed itself with that attack too.

>>14415164

>that <3

It's so happy that it nuked the floor for you.

>>14414217

>hands

imagine

>>14415254

Though I probably should put cthugha and Sunrise in the dojo anyway until I get enough gene engineer to improve them.

>>14415254

Buy discarded ranch then.

>>14415174

Anon, it's most powerful offensive spell in this game.

>>14413013

>not being a man and fucking your motorbike's bussy

>>14415697

>End Homo Dome

>Dope Good man Dome

>The loser

There's a lot of good one's there, what's the problem?

>>14415697

>animal moan base

>end homo dome

>the loser

idk what you're talking about anon

these perfectly describe a name for your house

>>14413690

I wish I could find a living melee weapon.

>>14415697

Feel free to visit my Dope Tiger Mansion

I got tired of adventuring with my dog sister and caught two bells and two dragon children but they're leveling slow as hell, should I just put them in the dojo?

>>14416323

Do you have Ensemble yet? Been making sure one of them cooks daily? Tried throwing kitty banks full of cash at them? Raising their potential is the way to get them to level real fast. Though, if someone is really behind, you might have to leave some at the INN for a while to focus grind one-

>bells

That's your problem. They're likely kill stealing a lot. Anyway, try tagging up the dragon kids it will cause them to share gold between each other and it might help them grind easier. Plus it makes them even more ludicrously durable since one can protect the other.

>>14416290

how can you capture a bell so early? they always seem to run away after if you can't kill them in 3 turns

>>14416425

My off hand guess would be a lucky scroll of ally, mysterious diary, or a rod of domination.

>>14416425

I have the little girl, the bell is in the arena.

>>14416367

I don't have Ensemble but I've been taking them Party Time preaching with me. Got a cook and picnic baskets, I've been throwing mountains of ore at them. I didn't know they could use kitty banks, that's neat. The bells kill-steal a lot but they're low level too so I don't want to leave them behind.

>>14416513

The bells become obsolete after the first act because eventually you'll start out pacing them.

>>14416568

Oh, that's a shame.

>>14416580

The main problem is that bells have a hefty speed INI due to their very high starting speed.

You can only gain AP from enemies that have a higher speed INI than yours, so a Gold Bell is only going to gain AP from something with over 652(!) speed. And AP is a major factor in improving your pets.

In short, bells are great Act I pets, but they have poor long term growth.

>>14416603

Are there any other pets I should pick up for the long term?

>>14416636

Pretty much anything with a reasonable speed works, pets have better growth than the player stats-wise so you basically just need to get them skills (notably Pickpocket) and they almost take care of themselves.

I usually just pick something with an interesting evolution and/or god pets.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution

>>14416636

Well act 2 does introduce a Metal that will always outpace you (800+ speed), the pro-jet.

Other than that, I highly recommend the fire dragon child, since it has godlike life and it's final evolution gets boost. As well as the black cat since letting it get killing blows has it lick great or better equipment giving them an additional attribute, but you'll have to worship the goddess of luck for it.

>>14416672

2nd evolution*

>>14416672

You say that like worshiping Titty Kitty is a bad thing.

>>14416685

Outside of luck, it's bonuses are kinda shit.

I maxed out Mani, what is a good god to take next? Also where can I find their altar?

>>14417716

I started with Mani too.. how did you max out and not even know about the truce grounds north (20-ish) of Palmia? You can find all the gods there.

>>14417855

Cyberdome altar at a guess, or he got lucky dungeon diving

I got fishing to level 30 but can't find the dimension fishing skill, is there some other prerquisite to getting it?

>>14417865

all actions need a level-up to be added

>>14416721

My wife is about 10 levels higher than me and it’s becoming increasingly clear that she’s the real protagonist and I’m the designated love interest.

It’s all I can do to debuff things before she punches them into a fine powder.

>>14418123

If you ever want to quit being the sidekick all you have to do is become a harem MC.

>>14418154

I've got a good harem going and if one of them gets a level or two beyond me I just let them wait in town. Plenty of side-girls to fill the role until everyone catches up.

>>14419364

This artist has a bad case of sameface.

>>14419438

But don't most other Japanese artists?

Can I just fuck my pets or do I still have to beat them to 1 hp like I'm trying to capture them before Squeeze will work.

>>14419712

You need a sleep sheep in your inventory.

>>14419735

Actually the pet needs to have the sleep sheep.

>>14419712

If they like you enough (Fellow or better) they won't get pissed if you squeeze.

>>14420073

Not a single downside, nice.

Although at level 143 1d40 might not be the best for you.

>>14420100

It's not like he's gonna be hitting people with it.

>>14420100

>>14420151

Weapon damage is mostly irrelevant compared to all of the additional damage you get from stats anyway. 1d40 might not be great but the best weapons (save for a few that are virtually unobtainable, like those wielded by inner gods) typically only have about double that.

>>14420258

Fuck it

>>14420390

Who did you pawn it off to so you could murder them for the cat blessing?

>>14420677

a change material kit would account for the changes.

>>14420831

>>14420677

First I changed it's material with the material kit, then I used the craft repair kit to max out it's stats, then I enchanted the shit out of it, then I traded it to some random adventurer, dueled them, and had Lucky kill them for the blessing.

>>14420872

if only I had enough change material kits for all my needs.

>>14420893

They're the cheapest item in the souvenir shop.

>>14420897

>souvenir

still that is act2 isn't it?

>>14420915

There's one in Larna.

>>14420942

wow, I did not even know about this town

>>14420942

the fuck is larna

>>14420967

Jobs will never direct you there, nor will the plot except for an Act 3 shortcut.

Look to the southeastern reaches of North Tyris.

>>14420967

**Larna is a hill town located south of Lumiest. At first it appears to be located on top of an impassable hill; you must travel through the Mountain Pass dungeon (level 25) in order to reach Larna. After visiting the town once you may use Return to go back to it at any time.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Larna **

>>14421124

hmm.. well.. le'spoiler I guess didn't know ** couldn't enclose links.

6 magic device*

>>14421136

You can't have line breaks in the middle of a spoiler.

>>14421238

Two ranches, for me.

>>14421291

What are the stray cats used for?

>>14421291

There's a quest on the 2nd act to turn in stray cats to train luck potential, as well as gain luck at max.

>>14421330

Nice, I guess I should start progressing the story at some point.

>>14421330

Half of this game revolves around cats.

>>14421330

Basically you just do that, and eat four leaf clovers after to grind luck.

do plans on a farm die if you don't harvest them in a timely fashion?

>>14421387

If they survive to maturity, they can sit around like that forever.

>>14421462

thanks

One more question, I can't seem to give any flower bouquets to my "fellow+" pets. Does it not use the inventory command or is their some other way to give it? Or is it something else?

>accidentally plant a seed in my house

>can't be assed to remove it since it's under a pile of items

>a few days later and there's a plant growing in the middle of the pavement

Sure why not.

er– does anyone know why I can't "give" via inventory a fellow/soul mate pet a bouquet. I get the reply "I don't need it".

>>14421611

Why would I give the dragon child stardard equipment slots when it's lack of hands are a perfect opportunity to make a martial artist character with no wasted slots?

You also don't mention anything about wierd pet evolutions like the rabbit which gets the time stop ability or the snail which gets the metal ability.

>>14421624

You can't give pets certain classes of item, I believe furniture is one kind and a bouquet sonehow counts as furniture.

>>14421627

It's not (afaik) furniture it's a gift item and it's supposed to grant 7 points of relationship.

>>14421625

>Why would I give the dragon child stardard equipment slots when it's lack of hands are a perfect opportunity to make a martial artist character with no wasted slots?

Because there are tonfas that greatly benefit martial arts, so at least once hand would be good.

And I never really tried out the other evolutions, sound interesting though.

>>14421634

And I know, my black cat is a martial artist (though I think he would've been better as a farmer), and once I equipped him with a smash tonfa, his damage shot through the roof.

>>14421624

They can't hold it, it would exceed their weight limit.

>>14421634

You don't know about the empty hand martial arts bonus do you?

If your hands are completely empty, no tonfas or claws, you get more chances to multiattack. It matters mostly for end game but can mean you hit people 8 times in a single turn.

I usually use tonfas and claws on gunners/archers since the damage bonus still applies to ranged weapons.

>>14421920

>you get more chances to multiattack

Well, your maximum amount of allowed extra attacks is raised to 8. It doesn't give you those extra attacks for free, you still need appropriate gear.

However, if you don't have any gear that grants you those extra attacks, you might as well just wield some tonfas.

>>14422019

Which screws you in the long term since your pet has superfluous slots that could have been replaced with something else.

>>14422020

I was speaking in general, not a handless pet.

>>14422025

Which a fire dragon child is not, since it has very few slots. Which brings us back to the beginning.

Why waste a perfectly good martial arts pet by giving it hand slots?

>>14422031

In case it wasn't clear, I was talking about for a pet with hands, which is the general case.

>>14422067

Why would you have a martial arts pet with hand slots? Other than because they're an archer.

And why are you bringing up general cases when the topic was about using a fire dragon child as a dual wield attacker.

>>14422136

Well you could have avoided all this by not ignoring half my posts constantly or ignoring the topic at hand.

>>14420942

I'm not allowed to enter the grey-mountain dungeon that I assume is the mountain pass to Larna.

>>14421666

nice trips– but no, none of my pets have heavy gear or any extra items and all of them are refusing it. The bouquet should be accepted by anyone over friend and I'm just trying it with fellow/soul mates and they all "I don't want it".

Does anyone know wether turining a weapon into miracle using garoks hammer has a chance to turn it into a living weapon aswell as giving its preset bonus?

>>14422627

This is some rpg maker shit.

>>14422804

It's a roguelike, what did you expect?

How high is the penalty for wielding a light instead of heavy weapon for two hand?

>>14422881

Fighting with a single weapon works a lot better with a heavy weapon (i.e. a weapon that weighs 4.0s or more). When fighting with a normal or light weapon, the bonus is lower and you will not get any additional bonus to hit from the Two Hand skill.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Two_Hand

I just realised that, for some reason, switching from two hand to dual wield raised the distance attack by x.1. The fuck?

>>14422948

IMHO, if you can only wield light weapons, I feel that going two-handed, a specialization in heavy weapons is kind of foolish. Why not go dual wield or get a shield? You can use 2 items instead of 1, for double the bonuses.

>>14422962

Because I want to cast magic..?

I've been using dual wielding up to this point but wanted to start using magic becuase my magic stat was low and it felt wrong to ignore it and also becasue the buffs seem really good. +PV for a fairy should be great. Also since fairies are fragile a bit of aoe wouldn't hurt.

Also also, what "equip making" recipe do lightsabers belong too?

>>14423007

I've heard dual wield and heavy armor create some spell casting problems, but not head about shields.. I can't seem the information right now either.

>>14423038

Cast rate is capped at 92 and 80 for medium and heavy armor, then reduced by 12 and 6 for shield and dual wielding.

It is increased by 5 if you are a warmage (which I'm not).

This means if you are a warmage dual wielding has a maximum success rate of 99% and without a maximum rate of 94%. Slightly more than one in 20 casts fail. Wearing a shield is completely prohibitive reducing the maximums to 93 and 88 for warmage/no warmage. Roughly 10% of spells fail. These are all at maximum possible rates.

>>14422792

It shouldn't. It always gives the item the same property, in the case of melee weapons that's "Increases the chance of an extra melee attack."

Or are you not playing Elona+?

>>14423059

the thing I read about warmage only was for NPCs

>>14420897

>>14420942

There are also souvenir vendors that sell material kits at the festival of Jure (Noyel in December).

Keep in mind you can change the type of a material kit by talking to Garokk and paying a scroll of superior material and a small medal. You get several choices of what to change it into, and those choices change each in-game day. You can modify multiple kits with the same set of choices once you find what you want. All this means you can buy cheap kits and upgrade them later.

>>14423069

I am playing + which is why I asked about wether it could give the living attribute along with it's preset bonus. Guess I'll stick with equip making from pot for that then.

Before I try to get one though, can living weapons be generated with additional attributes to their living status? And what kind of attributes can the black cat give an item?

>>14423070

It's a class feat and applies to both PC and NPCs along with all other class feats except for the fairy's which only apply to the PC. Even npc mutants gain additional slots when they level up.

>>14423070

I don't know what you read, but the information is accurate here >>14423059

warmage is by far the best choice of class for a caster, as cast failure reduction is useful at all levels even if you only use it to dual-wield staves with +magic. Get a business card (easiest way is to win a lot of consecutive blackjack rounds) and change your class.

>>14423088

They do get additional attributes yes. Keep in mind there's a limit to how many total attributes a living weapon can have, including those generated from leveling it up. There are ways to manipulate those results. No idea on the cat

>>14422094

>Why would you have a martial arts pet with hand slots?

Why would the PC be a martial artist then? Without cheating or playing as a snail, they always have hands.

>>14423059

Tonfas don't give a casting penalty when you equip them, and they still train shield when not equipped with a claw or empty hand.

Allowing Warmages to have a 97% casting chance at medium armor.

>>14423099

I was just going to try stacking +magic damage as high as possible anyway but to make the best weapon would require getting lucky with pre-generated attributes. If they didn't come with pre-generated attributes they would probably become inferior to normal weapons once you have access to artifact fusion as they can no longer be fused.

Since the wiki says +elemental damage scales with weapon damage does anyone know, or even just suspect, wether that is the base damage, damage and mulitplier or also includes +x damage bonus from other, non weapon, sources. makes a big difference if it dosn't get the bonuses.

>>14423156

Still not that great considering itsn't(?) a lightsabre. The 100% pierce actually also reduces the percent portion of damage reduction to 1/3rd meaning it outdamages anything as long as it has substantial amounts of PV. Equipping one also removes the two hand bonus entirely.

>>14423099

Indeed. I just now realize each class has a unique feat. ffs.

To Mr. Handless guy, what genes do you use to prevent pets from having hands but still have full 13 equipment slots

>>14423264

>not handless guy

Use the gene machine it literally tells you what genes (parts/skills) the pet will inherit.

>>14423284

Yeah but what monsters exactly. Alot of monsters that have multiple things like rings also have hands. I know you can probably add another legs w/o adding hands.

>>14423312

yes, basically any 4-legged animal will add that

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gene_Engineer

>>14423400

That's still 12 slots, what should the 13th slot be, and how do you add that w/o adding a hand?

>>14423414

How do you check what slots your pet has?

>>14423521

I would say that by going to a town and having the npc investigate it or by giving it equipment and check if it equips it or not

>>14423521

By checking their inventory.

>>14422587

Is the bouquet identified?

>>14423007

>Because I want to cast magic..?

Again, that's what the tonfa is for, it doesn't interfere with magic. It alone gives a damage bonus plus they always have special useful attributes like assist weapon or shit like that.

It can be used as shield for a weapon or a claw for martial arts.

>>14424209

Again again, using a tonfa or claw with your main weapon stops you from getting a bonus from two hand or dual wield probably reducing the damage you deal. Martial arts only sounds good but a lightsabre will most likely still outdamage it.

Also also also I was wondering if anyone knew, even rougly, what the damage bonus for using two hand is and how much it gets reduced by if you are using a light weapon.

Any way to calculate how much Magic Device skill I need to Dominate a specific target? I'm sure I remember seeing the formula once, but it doesn't seem to be on the wiki, so perhaps it's been changed.

Also, what's the optimal way to develop living weapons? I have a bunch of ranged ones and don't know whether I should just use them as stat sticks or try to bump up their + values to insane levels.

>>14424260

About 2/3.

>>14424541

Just to make sure, you're saying the damage bonus with a light weapon is one third of the damage bonus from a heavy weapon right?

>>14424560

>>14424541

What about weapons that are neither light or heavy?

>>14424570

If it does reduce by 2/3 I'd image it just penalises by 1/3 for every stage below heavy.

How high is the bonus anyway?

>>14424599

Wouldn't dual-wielding two normal-sized living lightsabres be more DPS delivering than holding a single heavy saber?

Sure you'll have a casting penalty, but that can be fixed by being a Warmage wearing light armor.

Is there any way to reduce spell damage/levels? If they are too powerful, it makes it hard to capture monsters.

>>14424651

Just get the knockout feat

>>14424651

Do anyone bothers reading what feats they pick or you just grab the ones everyone tells you to?

>>14424651

>Is there any way to reduce spell damage/levels?

Potion of descent.

>If they are too powerful, it makes it hard to capture monsters.

It's most retarded reason to use these.

Just get knockout feat and go without pets to capture them into balls or use Dominate spell on monsters you want.

>>14424700

Wait, there was an update or sumtin?

>>14425539

Yeah and a fix for it.

>>14425542

how do you check the version? I wanna know which I have and which I should update to, did they added more items or just one or two flavor ones?

>>14425539

>>14425542

>>14425550

What was wrong with the pants? Drop rates were fucked or what?

>>14424570

>>14424560

Roughly 5/6

>>14427338

But those aren't Kumiromi's Scissors.

>>14427395

Being able to see your exact attribute potential is far more important than being able to maintain a fucking garden.

Not really when you've got more potions of potential than you know what to do with.

And by Act 3 they should be flowing like water.

>>14427470

But speed is a different story as you cannot see it's potential, until you get those glasses. So now I know when to drink speed upper, which brings it's potential up to 400%.

And blessed potions of potential are still a potion to not waste, as superb only means skills that are +200% potential. But if you want even faster attribute training, 300-400% is the way to go.

>>14427503

True, I forgot about the speed bit.

But for the other stats one potion of potential is enough to max out all potentials if you chug it the moment any attribute hits "Great", so it's not too much of a difference for those.

Now why won't it show me my Luck potential?

>>14427513

>Now why won't it show me my Luck potential?

Because there are no skills that train luck. You can only train luck with the lost kitty quest and eating luck increasing foods.

>>14427338

Also I picked the delta shift core so it'd increase my constitution. Which of course means even stronger blood streams, especially with gem power and concentration active.

>>14427513

> so it's not too much of a difference for those.

After doing a bit of tracking of the attributes, I notice that at +300%, the increase is .002% for every turn I train constitution. Between 200%-300% is .001% for every turn I train it. That's quite a difference really.

This also doesn't take in account eating attribute benefiting food and such, which seems to increase it by around .050% with horsemeat steaks at around 200% potential.

>>14427854

And seeing that I'm at medium armor, I'm training it every turn.

>>14427854

>>14427866

Also blood stream trains constitution too by a decent amount (.003 at 200% potential).

Also it seems like skill and spell potential do not effect growth of attributes at all. Only the potential of the attribute does.

>>14428038

Also one thing to note, healing and mediation do not train their respected attributes. And probably for a good reason.

>>14427985

You can make gear and you can improve the fuck out of it with magic but mostly your not going to be creating your own gear.

I just tested the two hand skill using debug mode and found the following:

There is no difference between using a light or medium weapon.

The penalty for not using a medium weapon is 0.5 on the multiplier, that is an additive penalty the difference in the multiplier is always 0.5, and all the accuracy bonus.

There also seems to be a difference of 2 on the damage bonus but this never increased so I don't think two hand is causing this.

This was tested with craft repair kitted adamantium claymores of miracle quality with flying scrolls applied to change the weights.

Skill levels tested were 6(starting), 50, 100, 500 and 1000. The final difference was a roll of

3d29+31 x31.7 hit 91 - Light

3d29+33 x32.2 hit 1091 - Heavy

It is safe to assume that Two hand adds 1 accuracy per level. It adds x0.1 multiplier for every 3 levels.

>>14428889

Those should actually be 3d21 not 3d29, all other information seems to be correct.

>>14428889

Another couple of things to note. These were tested with a strength of 10 which adds 0.2 to the multiplier.

The +0.1 per 3 levels is not entirely accurate. While testing the multiplier increase at 6, 9 and 13 and the final multipliers are a bit off if this were the case but it is pretty close to that.

>Your inventory is full

What the fuck is this

>>14429386

Your inventory is full… you can "only" carry 200 stacks of items, pets (and other npcs) are limited to 20.

>>14429440

Oh that makes sense. For some reason I thought there was a patch that doesn't let you go overweight.

>>14423134

PCs get special unarmed only abilities to compensate, but usually it's better to have pets be martial artists and you be something else. I prefer mage since you're the only one with access to spell levels and because you can be much smarter about spell use than pets will be.

>>14423264

There's the mutant race, who get random limbs. There's also some race that gets 4 ring slots, I think it was the Yith.

As or which limb to choose. Chest is the most defensive, arm gives some offensive bonuses and boots lets you get more speed. Rings are great for putting 12 of on a shopkeeper to turn them super charismatic.

>>14429948

Some NPCs get the martial arts skills aswell but the primary reason why you would want to go martial artist is that the damage is actually really high. At max you get 2d255 + 251 x10 (pierce 50%) from the martial arts skill alone. The peirce maxes at 50 at skill level 250.

I know there is a penalty for having too many equipment slots in general but I thought there was an additional penalty for having too many leg slots? Also with the rate that shopkeepers train there is really no reason to deck them out in enhancing gear, any shopkeeper will do well enough already.

>>14430033

As someone already pointed out in this thread, even a lightsaber will help you do more damage because of the 100% pierce. It'll also take a lot of grinding while pets tend to have a very easy time getting high skill potential and gain via pickpocketing and travelling. My dragon child has permenant 400 skill potential thanks to the mountains of gold he gets from killing a single enemy. Every time I travel between cities, all of his skills level up at once. Compare that to how hard you have to train for a single skill level.

>>14430033

As for the shopkeeper situation, you may as well dump all your charisma gear on him, it's not like he's going into battle anytime soon.

>>14430178

I was just defending the merits of martial arts, I was the person who pointed out the 100% pierce behaviours on lighsabres.

How much does charisma increase the selling chance? I feel that it's harder to get the gear although I just threw my little girl into a shop and occasionally drop valuable junk of without really giving her anything but if it does make a big difference maybe I should actually put in the effort.

The ancient garden is returnable, didn't know that. Not that it is in a particularly useful place…

Anyone got good creaatures to get gardening, fishing and gene engineering onto a bell with human equip slots without giving any other slots? Human creatures preferably, even better if obtainable from slave master.

hwo do i teach my pet a spell? the progress is always 0 , i am missing something? im teaching magic dart and her casting is 23

>>14430391

You make it attempt to cast the spell using the custom ai. It will fail most of the time but steadily gain progress towards properly learning it.

>>14430430

Consider picking up Resurrection.

>>14430440

Yeah…

Does ressurections require a certain spell level for level of pets? Do I have to use the spell writer to get the books or are they fairly common (I have never really paid attention to the spellbooks in the vendor) at around invest 160, that's what most of my magic vendors at.

Just had to grind 15 gene engineering levels. At least it's easy to level but the platinum cost…

>>14430664

Does anyone have a cute bunnygirl sprite? I want to make a vorpal bunnygirl pet.

So I captured a couple of vopal bunnys and tried gene engineering them onto the bell. The first gave cooking but the second didn't give gardening. I've checked the wiki they should have it and the bell definitely dosn't have the skill. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

>>14430799

Gene engineering is weird. Here's a list of monsters that reliably give certain skills:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Easy_Gene_Engineering

>>14430844

I just blessed gain attributed it since it was the only skill it was missing. Never seen skills not transfer though when the donor had it and the target didn't thought that behaviour was guaranteed same as equip slots (unless they are one of the human races). Which they donate first might be seemingly random but it should still work. Maybe it had something to do with the platina bell being lower level than the bunny but it dosn't say anything about that iirc, nor have I seen this behaviour before. Might also be that the bunnies don't spawn with the skill (which would be weird since skills seem to depend solely on race and class for monster NPCs) am getting my information from the wiki afterall.

>>14430215

You're going to naturally get charisma equipment as you travel, and you need to level up gene engineering. Might as well use both things in a way that benefits your wallet in the long term.

>>14431004

The second one has the correct color scheme but is to chibi for my taste, guess I'll just oc donut steel one of the other ones. Thanks for them.

Planning to make her a martial artist since otherwise it won't get the cut damage if I understand correctly. Will equipping her with tonfa or claws remove the cut aswell?

>>14432473

>A rock that invokes ragnarok

weeeew

>>14432846

Why do all your screenshots come with garbled Japanese, and a skills on the left side and loop0Asub2 at the top? Also are you playing at 800x600 or something?

Wish the player could have a permanent shift-core like the enemies/pets do.

>>14433304

Also all the enemies are kinda tough as balls on this floor.

>>14433304

each # represents level of resists, the more # the better.

>>14433491

It's the bonuses being provided to those from your equipment.

>>14432872

>Why do all your screenshots come with garbled Japanese

I think it's just game fault.

>and a skills on the left side

You can set these in one menu. I forgot which.

It also works on spells and shows how much of spellstock you have.

>loop0Asub2 at the top?

For some stupid reason 1.76 version has infinite loop that will brick the game after some time.

I guess it's probably related to change in multiple hits mechanics.

>>14433784

>You can set these in one menu. I forgot which.

It's on the Skill menu, where you check what skills you have. Just have your cursor above a skill and press (*) to track those skills.

Base Elona lets you track 3, Elona Plus lets you track a lot more and Elona Custom lets you also track Spells and shows their potential too, also letting you sort by potential or only show skills that have potential beneath a certain amount. You can tweak this in a menu when you press Esc.

>>14433304

Can you please post a screenshot of sunrises character sheet, I need to know the size and weight or something unrelated.

>>14434983

It's fucking massive, holy shit.

>>14435108

W-what did you do..?

>>14435142

Sleep sharing event.

>>14435149

That's alot lewder than I would have expected.

>>14435152

There's nothing related between the two goyim, now watch me play Sonic.

Almost got the final god goodie, but which god should I follow permanently afterwards?

>>14435490

Lulwy for speed, jure for an amazing healing action, kumiromi if you run out of stamina alot or yacatect if you plan to exploit her statue.

Someone give me a good spell to train my magic and casting on, they're really falling behind.

>>14435731

Just keep spamming Oracle, it's the quickest spell and pretty easy to stock on if you have access to spellwriters.

>>14435824

Does it appear in magic shops? I'm not (quite) in act 3 yet and am almost through the fighters guild so it would be a waste to switch now (rank 15-ish).

>>14435842

Yeah they do, and you can get them reserved at the Mage guild.

>>14435731

If you want spell levels fast (which is what really determines spell power) buy lessons from a town wizard.

Casting only influences cast rate.

>>14436251

Yeah well I can't cast shit with 25 casting, just decided to become a sword + magic wielder after neglecting it the rest of the time so anything I ca cast dosn't damage anything. Primarily want it for buffs anyway.

Casting does actuall affect spell level if the npc casting formula is higher than the spell level casting formula (supposedly, havn't checked myself). for reference:

PC's spellpower: spell_level * 10 + 50

NPC's spellpower: casting * 6 + 10

So the PC is actually rediculously powerful in the magic department in comparison to npcs, they do need spell stock though.

>>14436339

Ah, fair enough.

Usually if I see someone talking about catching up a combat skill they mean in terms of raw power.

Anyone know when the kumiromi statue nerf happened? Because it generated an unknown, vegetable and fruit seed for me. Supposedly it's based on the day you use it now, are useful seeds still in the pool or is it complete crap?

>>14437301

I dunno, sometimes it does give me artifact seeds.

>>14437301

It's still very useful, but there's no longer any point in save scumming it.

>If the day has a 3, 6, or 9 in it, you get an herb seed. Otherwise, you get a fruit seed.

>If the day has a 3 or 9 in it, you get an artifact seed. Otherwise, you get a vegetable seed.

>You get an unknown seed regardless of the day.

>>14437301

Useful seeds are still there, but only on certain days.

I forgot on which ones.

>>14437563

Throw an always true move towards or away statement at the end and see if that solves it.

>>14437563

If it's learning a spell, it has a very high chance of failing to cast whatever it's learning.

Failing it means it skips that line entirely.

If it fails to use magic dart, it has nothing else to do if it's not next to its target.

>>14437689

"Doesn't know how to respond" = Its AI ran out of lines to process and hadn't found an eligible one.

>>14437757

The only way it eventually died was getting a timestop from nightmare and then gauge release, rampage shadowstepping it to death. Fight went on for like 5 minutes of solid attacks and not much else worst fear was eventually dieing of hunger (or if it started targetting me for more than a couple of turns at a time).

>>14438180

And yes, it took me a fucking day to go from 150 to 200.

>>14437757

congrats

>>14437869

only can grind so much shit in so many directions in so much time.

Is there something better I could do with 5m gold than feed it to my dragon childs? I've got a cozy home, a shop, a couple of ranches, a farm, and a museum.

>>14439412

you can use 20k gold attack :p

>>14439412

Investing in shops so they stock rarer items. Then you buy those items.

Do characters in the amur-cage respawn?

>>14440213

wow that is a shit selection, I have had a lot more selection since I joined. I'm going to go out a limb here and either say your stats/level or something else sucks.

>>14440228

It's the crow in lost ylva shopkeeper rank 150 my stats are >>14437869. The only thing I can think of is if you have to have a certain spell level in the spell before they appear.

Actually most likely is that you have to have read the book beforehand, only just started magery and was waiting for the spellwriter to get the books. Dosn't really help if you need to read them before hand guess I'll spend a couple of (in game) hours reading books.

It did have almost 7 full pages of hero and holy shield though, good for training.

>>14440213

Selection is based on books you successfully read. There are few exceptions such as Wish.

>>14440299

It still drains potential, so you'll still have to raid dungeons at some point.

>>14440394

Pretty sure there are no spellbooks of wish. Can anyone confirm on spellbooks of meteor (and wether they are reservable)?

>>14440758

I know the spell books for both meteor and summon spirit don't actually exist(dream only), and wish and the money harvest spell are the only spell books that are non-reservable.

>>14440840

Well that sucks…

>>14440840

Forgot to include that you can get all spells through wonder scrolls, also wish books do exist, just very rare.

Found "It combine fire and cold spells - Rank 99" in attributes list on the wiki, anyone know what it does?

>>14440854

You can't make wonder scrolls though so still no reliable source of meteor. It seems strange to not have a book for meteor but to have one for wish.

>>14440866

>Found "It combine fire and cold spells - Rank 99" in attributes list on the wiki, anyone know what it does?

If you cast fire spell it also deals cold damage and it works in reverse too.

I don't know why Ano doesn't want to make combine for all element combinations though.

Probably muh balance.

>>14441167

True, but they only sell like 3 at a time with rank 160+ so it takes forever.

>>14441120

I take it the cold damage still shatters potions.

>>14440213

Your guild rank. Hope you like decoding 142 copies of the same ancient book.

>>14441374

It clearly isn't, this is the crow spellwriter.

>>14441167

How do you bless things?

>>14441411

Blessed bottles of water, you can make them by placing normal bottles of water on an altar.

>>14441438

If you have a god, which you should, it has to be an altar of the god you're currently worshipping. Otherwise, on an unaligned altar.

>>14439993

Is it walking on top of Lulwy’s porno book?

>>14441475

Oh that might be it yeah. The way it was written seemed much more kumiromi ish so it never occured to me. Also weakened dosn't make much sense in that context but it's probably a translation/implementation error.

Just encountered one of these:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wangnin

Is it a (good) reference to something or is it just plus being "lol so random XDDD" again?

I just found out that you don't have to be adjacent to an enemy to use continuous attack.